Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Visor]

Ah, and can you link me your last cult games?

LOL

what kind of useless question is that.

Vote: Cuthillius

[Csargo]

Agreed.

Vote: Cuthillius

I honestly thought that GH was scummy for the entirety of this game @Askthepizzaguy If he was ever converted imo it was before the khaan lynch, thought that case was pretty scummy tbh.

Think ATPG is townie at this point most likely, so I'm voting Cuthillius because that question is pretty nit-picky and I dislike that.

[atheotes]

Hi all

Off to read the thread now!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, and can you link me your last cult games?

I don't see how it could possibly help here, but

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http://www.giraffeboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=41
Greek History mafia. They do multiple threads per game, so you have to scroll down / go to next page. I was town for at least the first two days. Got converted and then vigged. Especially annoying because I was killed for behavior I did when I was a townie defending two other townies from mislynches.

There's another in-progress where my faction hasnt been wiped out yet so I can't really cite it.

This game- I didn't get converted to cult (yet).

If you want to hard claim mafia with some kind of knowledge of who a cultist is, I am willing to listen. It should be possible to wipe out the cult faction today or at least cripple it to prevent new recruits. Otherwise, the focus for today is mafiosi. I'm not one of those, and that much should be obvious: I was planning on doing nothing but quoting previous posts all game based on a whim that started with quoting Visorslash's two previous games where he hard claimed survivor, and only stopped because I was asked to do so repeatedly by my fellow players. I was actually planning on only quoting Visor's posts but then I realized it would be funnier to start quoting people's own posts back at them as an ironic echo. Also, if I wanted to actually vote for people I wanted to vote for, I'd need to quote from more varied sources.

There are several players here who are displaying behavior which looks like mafia-specific behavior. In the 12 or so hours that remain, can you list 3-4 names which meet that criteria?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scumbag one:

Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

Cuth's behavior that round and where I currently stand on Visor.

Khaan was innocent, Visor was my suspect.

vote:golden1knight

Saves Jarema.

Potential scumbag two:

time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

Cult-specific hunting and anticipating I'd be the convert. Also iirc Jarema even stated earlier that his policy toward me would be to wait until I was converted, then lynch me.

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Now, this could also come from Jarema-the-townie, because that much is not mafia-specific reasoning, but some straightforward assessment of my likelihood of being cult in several rounds.

vote: Golden1Knight

Don't like this pile-on vote. Click for context.

Scumbag number three:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith?

Maybe you're from different factions, that would make things interesting at home.

Hmm, is this the claim that Pizza is asking for? Vote: Golden1Knight

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.

I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

Sarcasm, right?

Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican

Pizza is cult
Raith is with Pizza
Visor has been just converted
GH is mafia
Sooh is still town
Choxorn is either scum
Cuth is scum
Jarema is scum
Zain is town
G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

I mean, pretty much diaf, Al Sips. You're radiating the scumness.

Possible Cultist:

So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

Cult clearly wants Al Sips dead.

I do too.

Vote: Pelican as well.

Vote: Al Sipsclar as well.

Easy game.

Difference is I want cult and mafia both dead.

Next 4 lynches should be Cuth, Al, Jarema, Pelican.

But you know, I will get spite converted to cult in the interim. So mafia, do you want to kill the cult by your murder, or via the lynch?

It's up to you, broheims.

I can lynch you today or the cultist.

You are outed either way imo, so I won't be moving my vote to Pelican until I see at least 2 of you do so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i was more worried about the possibility of 4 maf.

It occurs to me 2 things

1. Cult could deliberately not recruit 'obvious' converts
2. jarrema would have recruited me if he was cult leader

Mafia not cult imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG
why Cuth??
I can agree for common target that makes sense. But I dont feel Cuth being scum

Maybe vote: Pelican?

Mafia should think Pelican is cult too. Especially because Pelican is all over the same suspects I am.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to thank the cult and the mafia for providing me with their partially perfect information with which to hang both factions.

Superior to a cop result, imo.

[Visor]

Mafia not cult imo.

Yeah he definitely more likely mafia than cult.

re the giraffeboards game

that was a very limited cult and not what you would typically expect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If cult have a starting NK ability per the rules, you guys even if you are about to be lynched can safely reveal who you tried to NK and it failed, because if you're going to be lynched anyway you don't have to out one of your own.

No one was killed N3.

You guys tried to kill Pelican?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah he definitely more likely mafia than cult.

re the giraffeboards game

that was a very limited cult and not what you would typically expect.

Yeah, not really useful for analysis anyway but what the heck, maybe I display different behavior after conversion.

I know I was all serious bsns after I got converted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visor, any of those seem likely to be townies to you?

I think I die shortly, so let's use the time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

full re-read before I go

[Visor]

Visor, any of those seem likely to be townies to you?

I think I die shortly, so let's use the time.

As far as I am aware there are no townies in this game.

You'd be the closest one.

I don't have ANY town reads.

Basically shooting into a barrel.

[Visor]

Pelican maybe?

I know he is a much bigger lurker as scum than he is town. But everybody is lurking. I guess I could vote him today.

[Visor]

I am basically forced to town read you for the fact you are actually here trying to do something.

Half the playerbase barely even shows up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Vote:Scarlett Aria, I've heard you're only town when you look scummy, and you don't look scummy. Therefore! You must be scum.

Feels okay.

Vote: Cuthillius for scumhunting on D1.

Feels scummy.

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Feels very scummy. Assumes I'm not mafia.

Vote: Jarema

Hey, I just like your name.

Not scum with J

Vote: Jarema How do you know he is not mafia

Not scum with J, very valid observation.

I don't want to lynch Pizza today

Like Jarema, wants me to get converted first methinks. Given his later behavior.

Mutiny: Kagemusha

Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar

I want to help you kill the Frenchman, but my role literally can't participate in actions unless you pay me gold.

Townie humor

Vote: Cuth

Not scum with Cuth imo.

Vote:Visor

Not town.

vote:pelican

Tough to say- not cult or cult leader imo. I'd say it's ok.

Scum ranking:

1. Jarema
2. Al Sipsclar
3. Cuth

Town ranking:

1. Visorslash
2. Sooh
3. choxorn
4. Zain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visor, the mafia's behavior is findable like in a normal game. Even though this is a cult game, assume the mafia have tells.

The cult is harder to find but the mafia have a leg up on that because they know who isn't mafia.

Step 1 find the mafia based on their behavior
Step 2 notice the number of alive cultists is low compared to alive townies
Step 3 town read the folks who are likely pushing mafia to death early
Step 4 of those, look at who the mafia thinks is cult probably

It's a lot of limbs to climb onto, but it's better than not posting. And if the tinfoil turns out to be correct, the glory there is to be had is not a small amount.

[Visor]

I am finding it hard to summon the effort. I will take an indepth look later tonight maybe.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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vote: Isaikhaan

Null but could be cult hunting

I don't think you're going to get much out of Jarema.

FWIW, I think he would post more than that in that post if he was mafia/cult, he would feel the need to give a reason. I feel like he is probably town.

Null maybe

Vote: GH for forcing.

Seems fine

I don't even know what to do with this game, but seeing as it's mafia vs cult I'm probably going to have to reevalute every read on every new day anyway, so it feels more like a YOLO game. At least until we get down to the last few players.

Vote: Zack

Get back in here.

She hates cult games. Maybe more than me. I believe this post.

Hmmm....I'm actually not a fan of the fact that Zack is still quoting old games. It was a fun gag on day one, but I thin we ought to dig into the game a little more now, and that stuff is more confusing and filler-y than it's worth.

Vote: Zack

Why Pelican is a cult read and not a town read. He may not be mafia but I doubt he's town.

Then care to present a read, a case, etc...yada yada yada (excuse my cynicism towards this kind of prompting, I find it a bit tedious but necessary in some cases, such as today, when things are moving at a glacial pace)

I'd say it's null, but it's a better thing to post for scum then town, since scum has more reasons to keep up appearances of activity without posting any real content, and endearing themselves to the good humor of their fellow players. I disregard it on day one, and usually in subsequent days unless I have significant other evidence to go with it, since that kind of stuff can also be posted by anyone in the spirit of camaraderie and fun, but it's a starting point at least.

You'll have to link back for the nested quotes.

This is kind of the same behavior I exhibited in that Middle Earth game when I was scum. Point out the glacial pace and talk about the difficulties in solving the game. It's great filler and it matches what scum probably think town is feeling.

Unvote: Golden
Vote: Al Sips

Well he turned out to be cult. Not even sure why I quoted this. He was probably town when this happened but *shrug*

I really don't think Zack is mafia.

vote:ATPG for counterwagon.

I think this is actually townie. I can't explain why. It matches how I feel landlubber approaches me in these games. Unlike most players he's willing to get rid of me early at the drop of a hat, no reason needed except he doesn't want to lynch others.

It's thin and it could be wrong but my gut says it's right.

Not sure if that's the site culture thing, but .Org Zack feels scummier than CFC Zack based on the tone. Probably it was not a good idea to sign for 2 games on the different sites at the same time. I think the only game I played here (ROTSC) had a lot of outside players, so it's not representative of the site culture.

I want more Pizza, so not voting him.
Raith seems indecisive enough to be town.
Visor seems town: clearing townies, voting around, even though he's claiming conversion powers.
GH is scumhunting, good.

Need to read up on the rest.

Vote: Zack

Scum. EZ

On general tone. I was just reading ISO's on CFC, then switched here and felt the contrast. You are more reasonable, helpful and solvey there, and more fluffy and careless here. ALL CAPS and stuff. Calling out GH for the forced post was good, though.

Jarema seems a bit wordy than in ROTSC, but less wordy than in the CFC game where he was town nevertheless. I really don't like his meta, that is actually forcing him to be a lurker when town. I'd like to encourage him to post more.

Choxorn had like a single non-fluff post, voting GH for forcing. Might be a joke, might be lazy or opportunistic. Slight scum.

Sooh as well has a single YOLO vote. Slight scum.

Kennigit feels good, solvey.

I don't buy this. Al Sips is being tryhard here. It's pretense, no one else in the game including the usual suspects for doing so are trying hard.

Look at how townie I am

Nope.

Town:
Visorslash
GeneralHankerchief

Slight town:
Askthepizzaguy
Raith Kemmler
Pelican, pushing for serious game
Kennigit

Neutral:
Jarema
landlubber, votes ATPG over Zack. Making choices is good.
seireikhaan. If he voted Kennigit just for his GH vote, that'd be null. The additional point he makes about his scumdar - not sure. Neutral to very slight scum lean.

Slight scum:
Zack
Choxorn
Sooh
Cuthillius, voted Scarlett and votes Visor without a reason

Unresolved:
Golden1Knight
Csargo
Zain
SeveringViper

The last group needs to post more.

Blue- revealed town or later became cult
Green- town imo
Red- mafia imo
Purple- cult leader imo

Landlubber and Csargo are mild town leans and not starting cult. Could be cult convert at best.

It's possible Severtheotes is cult or mafia but I think it's just an abandony townie.

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sipsclar
2. Pelican
3. Jarema

Town ranking:

1. landlubber
2. Sooh
3. Visor

My reaction to Al Sips post at the bottom is what I want people to read after I die. Or now, preferably.

I do think this one is quite solving because of Al's posts, if you read any of these this is the one to read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Sooh is town.

Because no quicktopic, based on the context.

Angleshooty and I hope some day it blows up in our faces. But yeah sure.

Mafia will be hunting cult with their murder. Could explain why Sooh is alive, even though no one is pushing her.

I like your town list so far I think Al Sips.

I want to lynch Choxorn tomorrow.

Possibly landlubber too.

I don't agree, and not sure where this comes from. A lot of the reason why I started suspecting Visor.

I do that a lot as a town vig/sk fwiw, suspect someone in the day phase, if they don't get lynched, vig them.

The read on khaan seems fair,

Sooh is btw cleared of being mafia. And cultist until today.

Taking the Sooh ball and running with it.

Voting someone, then killing them is not too obvious a connection?
I'll be fine with khaan's lynch, but I think I'd like to hear more from Vote: Cuthillius first. Or Choxorn.

I'd rather lynch Al Sipsclar than Cuth today if possible. I think he's either lynching a townie or bussing a partner. I don't see a strong hard push on Cuthillius like if he were dead serious about lynching him.

Eh.

Vote:Khaan.

Null, probably. Given the timing I don't know if he'd be recruited here yet. Probably not.

I like GH's arguments against Khaan. Also, his defense is nonexisting and when analyzing his recent comment, it is easy to go into endless WIFOM
vote: Khaan

Scummy.

ATPG, I am gonna spite vote you if you don't drop the schtick. If you don't wanna do anything thats fine, but I am tired of reading stuff people said from other games.

In other news, thanks to our glorious mod overlord, me and Al Sipsclar are basically cleared town.

So yeah, my participation in this game is gonna rapidly dwindle because I am gonna get shot by the mafia tonight or tomorrow because we are now both prime conversion targets.

I still hate this post, ftr. If I'm wrong on any of my mafia suspects then it's still Visor.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

Where you at buddy?

Town.

Vote: Zain

He is basically mod confirmed town.

That's a lazy vote if I ever saw one. He has also been active today so I don't know what your plan is here Zain.

Yick.

I think my conversions would go:
1. ATPG
2. BSmith
3. Jarema

and in a basically random order from there

Yick.

Me first? This feels like a lie.

In any case Zain is the definition of phoning it in this game.

I am also fairly sure Choxorn is scum but I cbf actually trying to lynch him.

Awful. I got town reads on both of these.

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sips
2. Visor
3. Jarema

Town ranking:

1. Zain
2. landlubber
3. choxorn


This page is why I was so anti-Visor. That and his reaction to the game host.

I still feel like there's some lacking explanation for that whole page. Choxorn and Zain are not on my WTL list and I never understood their prioritization for the lynch.

@ Visor, can you explain this page to me so I don't tinfoil / you don't get lynched before the mafia do this game if you're not mafia

[Al Sipsclar]

[COLOR=#ff0000]
I mean, pretty much diaf, Al Sips. You're radiating the scumness.

That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

[Visor]

Me first? This feels like a lie.

We have never been mafia together ever. Of course I would recruit you. Same with BSmith, we have worked together a lot as town, never been mafia together.

Reading anything into my reaction to the game host seems like a waste of time. I thoroughly disagreed with what happened there and thought the mod decision was completely arbitrary and unfair.

Zain was phoning it in, dunno how you can deny that, and I still thought Al Sips was town at that point.

Not sure what else you want me to explain.

[Visor]

That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

FWIW, I believe that if Al Sips were cult he would recruit myself and ATPG.

I don't really understand the Al Sips argument if I'm honest. Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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I don't think it really matters in a game like this, but Sooh's post asking if El Barto = takhiss is actually a pretty sick angleshoot.

Unintentionally of course, I don't think she did that on purpose, but saying that heavily implies that she is town as in qt's El Barto's name is takhisis.

so yeah. probably gonna be a convert at some stage

clearer than me and al sips anyway

Unintentional 100% of the time imo, worse is talking about it but we already went down that rabbit hole.

RE: Current happenings,

Agreed that Khaan's response to GH case looks mad scummy, but would like to push other angles as well to see what happens and make this day a little more productive maybe. General FoS on all of the people that just voted khaan without presenting anything else. Picking the first one that comes to mind, let's vote:Landlubber for now. Anything else to say?

Overly defensible post, imo.

What I mean is like what Al is doing, trying to be townier than the townies are.

So, I'm still a little unclear... what's going on with Visor and Pizza and Al? Why is Visor supposedly both lock town and absolutely scum? Is he just Schrodinger's Mafia, or something?

Completely unperturbed by Visor pushing him.

With all the votes on khaan, this day is useless for analysis.

I'd believe that Visor and not ATPG got converted last night. I think Sooh is still town. ATPG and GH are next in the conversion queue. I wonder if the cult is going to be able to convert more than one player per night at some point.

Kill this thing. It's always a scumbag.

Zain's vote actually looks townie clueless to me, so I'm not ready to call it yet.

What is the case on landlubber? Not counting khaan's vote, which is the safe haven for everyone today, his previous posts look okay. Not stellar, but fine.

Matches where I am on Zain. I believe this is mafia clearing a townie.

Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, knowing that only a great fool would take the wine he was given. I am a great fool, so I will drink the Wine In Front Of Me.

Vote: Visorslash

In context this is a great vote.

And I'm quite sure you're scum from the way you're reacting to Pizza.

I think choxorn and I still being alive is a mitigating factor here for Visor's mafia-ness, but mafia might be prioritizing the cult-hunt.

Maybe khaan's scumdar is right, and GH is actually a scum trying to stop a lucky scumhunter. Or they both cultists, propping GH for town cred.
Unvote; Vote:GeneralHankerchief.

And then GH died.

Al scum.

Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

eeeeuuuugggghhh :vomit:

Sigh... explain it to me, I suppose.

I might be tunneling unless I'm a seer or something. So make your case.

If Visor is scum I should have been killed or blocked. I have no idea if I was blocked because I has no powers.

Plot Twist: The Mafia Godfather and Cult Leader and Cop are all the same person, and it's Visor.

Relaxedorn.

towneh

time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

Die in a fire

This is a lot of words and over explanation for what is so hypothetical it isn't even wine in front of me, it's a dream table with dreamed up placement. Argument not persuasive. Massive build up? Kind of scummy looking.

Vote: Jarema

Town

Wow, that really was quite the monologue, for a player I see as fairly soft-spoken.

Though I see his logic to a small degree, I must say this outburst feels off.

Vote: Jarema

Town

Nice and persuasive way to off someone. Good job Vote: Jarema

Town

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sipsclar
2. Al Sipsclar
3. Al Sipsclar
4. Jarema
5. Jarema
6. Cuthillius
7. Pelican

Town ranking:

1. Raith ofc
2. Sooh
3. Zain
4. choxorn
5. Visor (based on Al's posts)

Cuth could flip mafia today, but Jarema very likely will, and Al Sipsclar literally always will be a mafioso this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

Unvote

Vote Al Sipsclar

This post is outing you as mafia. I am never unvoting you ever again this game. I will vote you every round and never unvote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We have never been mafia together ever. Of course I would recruit you. Same with BSmith, we have worked together a lot as town, never been mafia together.

Reading anything into my reaction to the game host seems like a waste of time. I thoroughly disagreed with what happened there and thought the mod decision was completely arbitrary and unfair.

Zain was phoning it in, dunno how you can deny that, and I still thought Al Sips was town at that point.

Not sure what else you want me to explain.

You know I hate being cult.

It's not strategically correct to recruit me first. You leave me alive to draw lynches and if I don't die, then you convert me.

I feel like that's obvious, but that's where I sit.

It's beside the point, lynch Al Sipsclar today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

FWIW, I believe that if Al Sips were cult he would recruit myself and ATPG.

I don't really understand the Al Sips argument if I'm honest. Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

[Visor]

Matches where I am on Zain. I believe this is mafia clearing a townie.

I dont get this thought process.

He has the same thought process as you so he has to be scum.

Its like you have this idea that he is scum and are just coming up with reasons for it.

[Visor]

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

I don't know how you can say this, me and you are basically the only people portraying any sense of struggle. Everyone seems basically content doing nothing.