IMMIGRATION thread

**Greyblades** · 02-12-2016, 23:50

Participating in criminal activities and getting your family killed in it's persuit is generally frowned upon.

**Husar** · 02-13-2016, 00:48

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Participating in criminal activities and getting your family killed in it's persuit is generally frowned upon.

What criminal activities? Working illegally in Turkey or illegally crossing a border? What about the criminal activities that made him leave his country in the first place? Don't count?

**Greyblades** · 02-13-2016, 01:06

What criminal activities? Working illegally in Turkey or illegally crossing a border?

Even without the allegation he was a smuggler not smugglee; few nations encourage the illegal version of immigration, even the americans.

Or should I say: "few nations, except the suicidal ones."

**Fragony** · 02-13-2016, 03:13

Originally Posted by Husar

What criminal activities? Working illegally in Turkey or illegally crossing a border? What about the criminal activities that made him leave his country in the first place? Don't count?

He was a human-trafficker who used that kid to assure people everything was safe, he made the trip multible times

**Husar** · 02-13-2016, 11:20

Originally Posted by Fragony

He was a human-trafficker who used that kid to assure people everything was safe, he made the trip multible times

Any links?

**Fragony** · 02-13-2016, 12:11

pick one you think is credible http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en-NL...41.NejZJTFaBXg

Doesn't make the picture any less iconic of course but things are not as they seem. The usual reaction, people who jumped on it simply don't want to talk about it anymore

**Husar** · 02-13-2016, 15:18

Originally Posted by Fragony

pick one you think is credible http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en-NL...41.NejZJTFaBXg

Doesn't make the picture any less iconic of course but things are not as they seem. The usual reaction, people who jumped on it simply don't want to talk about it anymore

You did note that I posted two sources, one from December 2015, which said that the allegations that he were a smuggler were at best unproven and shady? One of the sources I posted even had a relatively good explanation:

Originally Posted by The Guardian

The facts proved otherwise. Investigations into the smuggling operations in Turkey showed that refugees were often tasked with helping smugglers sign up passengers for smuggling trips. Their language skills and contacts inside refugee communities made them ideal as middlemen. It was also not uncommon for one of the passengers to be given the responsibility of driving the boat. No smuggler, with family in Turkey and a steady income from the lucrative smuggling trade, would want to end up illegally in Europe and risk not being able to return home, where he would be likely to face arrest anyway.

Now I will grant you that it is strange to call this a fact that proves he's not a smuggler, but to say he is one just because he steered the boat is equally not based on solid reasoning. It's also interesting that he was recklessly endangering his family while those who do not take their family with them on the journey are blamed for leaving without their family. Now if thewre were a reported case where someone had a chance to flee but stayed and got himself and his family killed by ISIS I guess people would also say he recklessly endangered his family. All in all these people obviously ruin the lives of their families no matter what they do.