IMMIGRATION thread

[Fragony]

Doing aid in that way would ensure that any industry involved in the production or sales of the goods given away would collapse, resulting in more poverty. It is a great way to make sure that more people find that the best option in their mind is to risk their lives "fleeing" to a richer country. Not sure that is what you would like to happen.

You are probably right, I got no argument against that. But if we do it that way AND make trying to get to Europe a worse option it might be a win-win situation. Naturally not for everybody. It's a musing, not an argument to just give direct aid with surplusses. Of course it will only hurt on the long-term and isn't a solution at all. But it's at least more pragmatic imho

[Snowhobbit]

You are probably right, I got no argument against that. But if we do it that way AND make trying to get to Europe a worse option it might be a win-win situation. Naturally not for everybody. It's a musing, not an argument to just give direct aid with surplusses. Of course it will only hurt on the long-term and isn't a solution at all. But it's at least more pragmatic imho

A better way would be to send food aid only in the case of famines, and otherwise try to keep to digging wells, building schools etc. Provide money and assistance to good governance NGOs. The only long term solution is to help the regions filled with poverty to grow out of that poverty. Your solution is a short term destruction of their economies and long term a flood of refugees and economics migrants on a scale hardly imaginable. At which point we will either see violence on a horrific scale to "defend the borders" or the slow death of Europe as we know it. Now me I think that sounds like a bad future and not something we should work towards.

[Fragony]

A better way would be to send food aid only in the case of famines, and otherwise try to keep to digging wells, building schools etc. Provide money and assistance to good governance NGOs. The only long term solution is to help the regions filled with poverty to grow out of that poverty. Your solution is a short term destruction of their economies and long term a flood of refugees and economics migrants on a scale hardly imaginable. At which point we will either see violence on a horrific scale to "defend the borders" or the slow death of Europe as we know it. Now me I think that sounds like a bad future and not something we should work towards.

I don't even disagree with you but first things first, a total lockdown of European borders, and giving aid to those affected by regional problems. I find it kinda silly that we are making deals with Turkey the problems there don't belong in our sphere, it's their region not ours, we can help but it's not our problem. Same for Africa, not our sphere either, nor our obligation. Helping in the short term is good enough for now imho. Emergency supplies, medicine, food. Long-term is a much bigger question that can be asked, but why ask it really, it's not our mess. We would have to become some sort of creepy light jedi's to fix it all.

[Husar]

EU and Turkey reach an agreement!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35840272

Under the plan, from midnight Sunday migrants arriving in Greece will be sent back to Turkey if their asylum claim is rejected.
In return, EU countries will resettle Syrian migrants living in Turkey.

Does anyone want to place bets how long it will take until Turkey distributes Syrian passports to the people we send back?

[Snowhobbit]

EU and Turkey reach an agreement!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35840272



Does anyone want to place bets how long it will take until Turkey distributes Syrian passports to the people we send back?

Using the ISIS printing press I presume?

[Fragony]

Everybody with half a braincell can understand why this isn't a deal at all. We don't know how they got into Greece so Turkey won't take them back. It's a joke.

[Beskar]

Syrians have teleport technology funded by Russian scientists, so Bashar can send dissents enmass to the sunny beaches of Greece.