good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
We know Al Sips is town, and so would the scum. Which, again, means they had no reason to save Pizza.If Pizza had been lynched, can you honestly tell me that you believe Khaan would be the top suspect and not the person who survived the counter wagon - aka Al Sips?
Al Sips wagon existed because Pizza pushed it. Without Pizza, he would not have been a major suspect - but again, enough to get in the way of your lynch or atheotes lynch if that's where scum is.
Atheotes scum has no reason for it, nor Monty scum nor Renata scum nor Barto scum nor Bsmith scum nor you as scum. Only Khaan as scum might want it, and even then it would be a rather large risk.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
How it happened.wall of text
At this point in the game I had been pushing atheotes, El Barto, and Al Sipsclar, but my vote was on atheotes. When that didn't take, I voted Al Sips.
I had already claimed to be a vigilante.
Pizza is a villager voting for a villager, while accusing probably at least one other villager, while having claimed to shoot a villager, having lynched a couple villagers.
At this point if I lynch, that is one less Al Sipsclar voter, and people have to explain why they lynched the claimed vigilante.
Instead, votes move to Al Sipsclar.
Like this one.
At this point in time, Novice, a townie, votes for pizza.
If Novice is successful, novice can be lynched the next day (today) instead. If Novice is not successful, Renata was voting elsewhere anyway. And so was El Barto. Wasn't their fault.
After all, he's just helping another townie lynch me. Won't be his fault.
Actually invests in the vote with a reason. Shows his work and his thinking. This vote is not unreasonable. It's not how I play but it's a process I can understand.
Meanwhile, El Barto keeps his vote parked away from the fracas.
This is too many names.
Stuff like this shows atheotes is focused elsewhere.
atheotes likewise invests in his read of me as scum and explains his thinking. This vote and his sticking to that read even when Al becomes a possibility doesn't clear him, and I wish he wouldn't keep waiting until close to the end of rounds to make that investment.
For those reasons I opened with a vote on him today.
The last minute save of me and the prediction it was v/v wagons gave me pause. I come into this round super paranoid that it is Newyn.
Newyn bringing attention to El Barto and making the critical vote that does attract attention to himself, and prefacing it before making the vote movement demonstrates commitment to the read. Somewhat. He still thinks I'm lying.
But he's not boxing me in completely today. And no one who says he's scum is actually pushing it, they're making a show of it. That doesn't look great for Newyn but it looks worse for his accusers.
Bsmith doesn't make the critical vote but makes the vote which makes Newyn's vote possible. He's taking a stand while Renata is waffling about both wagons and El Barto is off wagon.
Granted he's in an entirely perfectly safe position regardless so this is null. But it's not scummy.
Seems to be prompting atheotes to hop wagons and end up getting blamed for the result. She didn't have me as townie and didn't strongly invest in the Al Sips read either.
At the time, I thought Renata was town. This was going to be my final thought of the game as I'm being lynched. Then Newyn jumps on.
I still think Al Sips wagon was full of townies but I can be wrong about 5/5.
I didn't like this comment and it contributed to me opening the day on atheotes.
But there's seemingly no one alive willing to lynch atheotes. As such, town only wins if I'm wrong. By default, I'm going with that. Who does that leave?
Novice dies, who is not getting votes yet wasn't voting correctly. If I only need to lynch pizza and I don't necessarily need novice's vote to do it, this is who I kill. It doesn't weaken my position at all and leaves more lynchable people alive.
Renata opens today with a vote on me, says Newyn is another option. Monty opens with vote on khaan, is willing to vote me but not his accuser Barto, and El Barto opens with vote on Monty, says Newyn is scum. Each of the three voting divided. But when push comes to shove, El Barto won't actually lynch Monty. Renata won't actually lynch Newyn. Barto won't actually lynch Newyn.
The one person they are willing to lynch is the claimed vigilante, but not the no-reason-claimed bulletproof. Nor their own suspects even with my help.
How it happened.wall of text
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
You're doing the same thing as Pizza. It's not a generic one-shot bulletproof. I never said it was. I only get one try to use it and if I use it and am not hit that night, it's wasted. That means it's up to me not only to get myself shot at, I also have to ensure I'm shot at on the right night.
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
And I'm going to ignore pizza's wall of text. He's scum, end of story.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
If that's wrong someone can give me an alternate explanation.
I will hear it out provided they are (a) willing to lynch their own suspects (b) they have more than one suspect, or their one suspect's name isn't pizza-related.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
Also for someone who finds Monty and Newyn both scum, you seem to be impressively invested in asking them questions or pressing them harder.
Hiding behind the fact that you can only vote one person at a time?
I move my vote around and other people don't stop existing when I'm voting for someone else, case in point.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
No, I'm not misinterpreting anything like you're claiming. Claiming a 1 shot bulletproof means wolves probably just ignore you for the kill and go on their merry way. It benefits wolves by telling them where not to shoot, that does not really help town. It's not about the specifics of your bp, it's about how useful your claim is in helping town and how useful it'd be if you're actually scum.
If you wanted to WIFOM the wolves, you'd have claimed 1 shot doc, plain and simple.
If you're trying to draw the kill to you as one would with a bulletproof power, one shot doctor does seem to be one of the top ideas.
One shot bulletproof that has to be activated and vanishes even if it doesn't work is an impressively bad power. I believe you can be bulletproof, I think you claimed it because you thought I was the vigilante. Ergo, your suspicion on me yesterday, and your repeated assertions that you were distraught over Zack's death specifically.
Gives you cover for accusing anyone who claims that shot.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
You did in fact also repeatedly prompt me to admit being the vigilante. You made the call near the start of the round and repeated it later. I only acquiesced to your demand because I thought you were a townie. Otherwise with no more shots (something you couldn't have known!) it's pointless to claim anyway, and with additional shots, it's terribad to claim.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Claim bp under no pressure is never a townie tactic, and asking the vigilante to claim when there are no dead scums and therefore they can possibly roleblock or bus drive or bulletproof someone to prevent it from being effective, is unwise. I think the only reason I didn't get pushed that round by Renata for claiming vig is because of where I was voting. As long as I lynched additional townies, she was fine with any outcome.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
In other words, they benefit more from not lifting a finger? That's what I said multiple times. Do you even know what you're trying to argue at this point?The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
This is also nonsense. Claiming one-shot doc doesn't impact strategy at all unless it's to kill Renata specifically. At least Pizza's nonsense has a veneer of logic to it.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Too many posts.What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Vote: Renata
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
Actually,is better than
for that post. But both apply.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
You missed the most appropriate one:
It's 4am my time. If I want anyone to actually read what I said, I need to shut up and walk away now. It's on this page, scroll up.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
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