Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

GH, how good would you say you are at reading Manasi?

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Manasi

[Csargo]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm real tempted here.

[Zack]

I struggle to recall your main points of focus in the game so far.



Many and varied.



The main ones.

These points are all vague non-answers.

You already said you think I'm town, and I can't for the life of me understand why you're humoring Monty's silliness. If you are trying to provoke me and get into a fight, I'm not interested. Sick of it happening every game, and frankly annoyed at how you always seem to treat me like this and no one else in every game.

If you have specific concerns that are bothering you and you'd like addressed, I'll be waiting.

No need for thought there.

He's comfortable chatting.

But that was all he had done when Pizza starting calling for his head.

It's a tunnel he is adding stuff to with confirmation bias.

[Winston Hughes]

These points are all vague non-answers.

You already said you think I'm town, and I can't for the life of me understand why you're humoring Monty's silliness. If you are trying to provoke me and get into a fight, I'm not interested. Sick of it happening every game, and frankly annoyed at how you always seem to treat me like this and no one else in every game.

If you have specific concerns that are bothering you and you'd like addressed, I'll be waiting.

I don't. That's the point. If you're scum, you've taken it up a level.

But that was all he had done when Pizza starting calling for his head.

It's a tunnel he is adding stuff to with confirmation bias.

My suspicion of Logic came in spite of pizza's push on him, not because of it.

[Montmorency]

But you can only do so much with what you're given. Once again, the overall thread context of this game is a lot different that Pokemon. Here, it's a lot of shouting, introductions to the .Org (far more first-time players here than in the Pokemon game), and Zack posting 20 times in a row, before we even get into Pizza's RP act.

I have to pettifog this. In this game the newcomers are Slaan and Reinoe. In Pokemon there were two as well, Champ and Severing Viper.

...

And what's this sudden Manasi shift, Manasi specifically?

[Winston Hughes]

And what's this sudden Manasi shift, Manasi specifically?

For me, it's part Manasi not having townpoints to speak of, and part just wanting to make a day of it.

[Zack]

Also, anyone who is riding the train of "Logic is scum here, because he is noticeably and explicitly different from XCOM mafia, where he was town."

Read Barto in that game, read Logic in that game. Read them both in this game.

There's a stark difference in one of them, and it's not Logic.

No one listens to me.

Just endless paranoia.

ok

[Winston Hughes]

Third by postcount in this line-up = I'm never scum.

[Winston Hughes]

Convince me to vote Tak, Zack.

[Zack]

Convince me to vote Tak, Zack.

People refuse to read him, because he's barto. But it's not that hard.

In the CFC/MTGS game on MU, I defended him for days before finally giving up. He was town.

I don't remember the game it was, but he was worried with fixing votecounts or something while having zero interest in the actual thread. I called him out on it as being wolfy, and got a mixture of scorn and ambivalence.

In Sooh's last game, I called him out as a probable wolf again. He was scum. I barely escaped getting mislynche d1, and got immediately killed by the town vigilante.

In Representative Democracy, as my teammate, I was literally begging him in our scum chat to please, post and do something. He did nothing but occasionally pop in to complain about the number of posts and do not really anything, pretty much what he's done here.

Look at XCOM. How much time does he spend complaining about having to read the thread? Does he make thoughtless OMGUS votes then peace out?

Nope.

[Zack]

People refuse to read him, because he's barto. But it's not that hard.

In the CFC/MTGS game on MU, I defended him for days before finally giving up. He was town.

I don't remember the game it was, but he was worried with fixing votecounts or something while having zero interest in the actual thread. I called him out on it as being wolfy, and got a mixture of scorn and ambivalence. He was a wolf

In Sooh's last game, I called him out as a probable wolf again. He was scum. I barely escaped getting mislynche d1, and got immediately killed by the town vigilante.

In Representative Democracy, as my teammate, I was literally begging him in our scum chat to please, post and do something. He did nothing but occasionally pop in to complain about the number of posts and do not really anything, pretty much what he's done here.

Look at XCOM (he was town). How much time does he spend complaining about having to read the thread? Does he make thoughtless OMGUS votes then peace out?

Nope.

clarified in bold

[Winston Hughes]

GH's big post looks townie in itself, but it feels a little scummy to me that he'd make that his main engagement with the thread at this stage.

Where's the chat, GH?

[Winston Hughes]

Fair props, Zack.

That's plausible.

[GeneralHankerchief]

GH, how good would you say you are at reading Manasi?

It's probably somewhere in between how well she thinks I can read her and how well I think I can read her.

I think I can read her reasonably well.

[Winston Hughes]

@Zack

You got a take on Manasi?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have to pettifog this. In this game the newcomers are Slaan and Reinoe. In Pokemon there were two as well, Champ and Severing Viper.

...

And what's this sudden Manasi shift, Manasi specifically?

Severing Viper wasn't new, he played a couple games here in 2015.

And give it time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

GH's big post looks townie in itself, but it feels a little scummy to me that he'd make that his main engagement with the thread at this stage.

Where's the chat, GH?

I don't particularly feel like this thread turning into another exercise of someone screaming over and over about a single read, drowning everything else out, and it having a ~rand chance of actually being correct in the meantime.

At least Pizza's more cooperative about it than Kami.

[Montmorency]

People refuse to read him, because he's barto. But it's not that hard.

In the CFC/MTGS game on MU, I defended him for days before finally giving up. He was town.

I don't remember the game it was, but he was worried with fixing votecounts or something while having zero interest in the actual thread. I called him out on it as being wolfy, and got a mixture of scorn and ambivalence.

In Sooh's last game, I called him out as a probable wolf again. He was scum. I barely escaped getting mislynche d1, and got immediately killed by the town vigilante.

In Representative Democracy, as my teammate, I was literally begging him in our scum chat to please, post and do something. He did nothing but occasionally pop in to complain about the number of posts and do not really anything, pretty much what he's done here.

Look at XCOM. How much time does he spend complaining about having to read the thread? Does he make thoughtless OMGUS votes then peace out?

Nope.

Hmm, but you leave out FrenchRev, where (on the public end) he similarly lolcatted and complained. And I guess for a lot of people XCOM was a rather unique experience.

Here's some major excerpts from Barto's D2 in FrenchRev, where you voted him for similar reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Non, Choxorn, mon cher, je n'ai rien plus que dir.

I disagree with this. The former part at least.

With this post I increase my total postcount by 50% (not even you can do that) so I'm giving you a lot of material to analyse.

vote: NotACop

Are you daring me?

You know, I always get lynched when I always OMGUS people. Lacking any better leads (I don't want a Csargowaggon for scum to hide when I haven't read most of his posts), vote: Dp101

I've decided not to say anything when I have nothing to say.

That is either a cunning Discworld reference or you've had some interesting experiences.

You… can try to provide something.

…

…

Can't you?

Your best rebuttal may be that his only D1 activity in FrenchRev was:

Due to pre-announced circumstances I have to be mostly away from this.

Random.org says vote: atheotes

while here he hasn't AFAIK announced RL limitations.

[Zack]

@Zack

You got a take on Manasi?

not really

I think she's one that's easier to read when a wolf or two has already flipped. I'm not too good, and by which I mean horrible, at reading her tonally or by content.

[Zack]

Hmm, but you leave out FrenchRev, where (on the public end) he similarly lolcatted and complained. And I guess for a lot of people XCOM was a rather unique experience.

Here's some major excerpts from Barto's D2 in FrenchRev, where you voted him for similar reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Your best rebuttal may be that his only D1 activity in FrenchRev was:



while here he hasn't AFAIK announced RL limitations.

XCOM is more recent and French Rev was barely mafia

I particularly took a lot of his play in XCOM as a change in style to be more productive

[Winston Hughes]

not really

I think she's one that's easier to read when a wolf or two has already flipped. I'm not too good, and by which I mean horrible, at reading her tonally or by content.

I believe you.

Position is where I'd look for Manasi scum tells.

[Zack]

I believe you.

Position is where I'd look for Manasi scum tells.

your response is weird

Why would I lie about that?

[Winston Hughes]

your response is weird

Why would I lie about that?

I was agreeing with you, and townnudging you for it.

[Zack]

I was agreeing with you, and townnudging you for it.

I know -- I meant the "I believe you" part

I think I'd post the same thing regardless of my alignment

[Winston Hughes]

If Zack isn't town, he's nailed the impression.

I'm sold.

[Slaan]

Well RIP me, this game has devolved (or from your standpoints maybe evolved :D) into meta read fun where I can hardly contribute... I mean I could read up on past games here but ngl my WIM isnt that large...

In the end I'd be down for those lynches today:
- Logic: Don't even care much for pizza's tirade against him (he just made me look at Logic again)... I find his townread towards me and subsequent defending scummy. He townread me after the shitposting early D1 without me having contributed anything... and after being questioned about it doubled down on it because I seemed like a new guy trying to fit in a new group... which is an ok read but why is this AI in the slightest from me? Seems to me like he just put together a quick readlist without having a solving mindset.
- Barto: From everything I've read it's not a slot I'd miss and I doubt I'd ever get a read on it and just sheeping the meta reads of you guys doesnt sound like fun.
- Manasi: Feels way different from the mashes we've played, less chatty and less active and overall just weird for the little bit of Manasi I know
- Choxorn: Few rather isolated pop ins with a rather scummy post townreading pizza
- Xiahou: Didnt do anything so far really, 1 post iirc

Preferred is still the Logic lynch though, in addition to imo >rand flipping scum there has been alot said about him that can help us going forward. And of those 5 I'd lynch Xiahou last obv, hope s/he can find into the game and post more :).

[Winston Hughes]

Good post from Slaan, adding to a general sense of towniness.

Emotional flow has been right from the start.

Only the knowledge he is good (and I don't know how good) gives me pause.

[Fredwood]

As a recipient of Barto's unique version of the welcoming committee and me getting a bug in my bonnet about it, he does feel different. I feel a demonstrable difference between Bart in Xcom as opposed to Logic in XCom. Unfortunately most of Logic's play has been off the back foot so even if I did sense a change in playstyle.

I agree with Monty in the sense that Logic feels like the "correct" lynch today, but illogical me would like to vote Bart here.

Anyway fatigue etc etc etc neither have been here defending themselves etc etc etc.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good post from Slaan, adding to a general sense of towniness.

Emotional flow has been right from the start.

Only the knowledge he is good (and I don't know how good) gives me pause.

In my experience Slaan's the type of player who strengthens as the game goes on.

The fact that he's doing well here now so far after what I perceived to be a hiccup of a start is... slightly unexpected? But it's a good kind of unexpected and I'm not really interested in lynching him.