Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

Why call me out specifically here?

i read him as a villager but even if I didn’t I prob wouldn’t have voted him (see my non vote on newcomb) I thought minor things like him yoloing a sunbae wolf read and then clarifying sunbae would do great in champs in parentheticals as an indication he really felt he found sunbae and felt bad for it

having said that I have a terrible history of reading Ladd in non-turbos and I’ve been on record as calling him the best wolf I know

I feel like you have a lot of experience with ladd in turbos and such to where you would easily pick up when ladd is mafia. Heck, even I had my suspicions there, though I did express I wasn't confident in that admittedly.

[Cape90]

I really dislike that cape called me out specifically there but I?m me so maybe I?m just a whiny punk

also you were basically the first that came to mind since you play in a lot of games that ladd does, moreso then the rest of the scooby doo crew here

[nebjiamn]

NGL, Dolby's postings kinda stick out to me and I am not exactly sure I like Dolby's wallpost on ladd.

Like I really don't think it says a whole lot except sunbae/ender v

with another peculiar read being that HK/zack/benneh are all town becasue ladd townread them...

okay lemme make a read

So check out where ladd puts me on #321

Having played mafia for so long I know that wolf love to insert their wolfbuddies in the middlish portion of a list like this. A list in which ladd considers all of these people town.

So because of my placement on this list, I declare that I am hard cleared.

Any disagreements?

...Yes?

Yeah it's because its not a good read LMAO. You see my point?

Also if you look at Zack's logs, I think zack is like 99% an obvtown anyways

I don’t love the reasoning but it might be right anyway

id rather give Dolby a bit more space today since they’re catching up but I wasn’t a huge fan of monstrs posts and unsure why people were hard reading him v

[nebjiamn]

Fair enough cape, but I don?t read people the same in real game?s bad turbos cause ppl don?t play the same

and this is, legitimately, the first real game ladd and I have played together. The only other non mash and non turbos we?ve played were hydras and team games. Zack, dobby, sunbae and a few others prob have way more experience with him in these games than I do

[Cape90]

katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov

are all players were on cuth b4 ladd wagon became a thing

[nebjiamn]

Fair enough cape, but I don?t read people the same in real game?s bad turbos cause ppl don?t play the same

and this is, legitimately, the first real game ladd and I have played together. The only other non mash and non turbos we?ve played were hydras and team games. Zack, dobby, sunbae and a few others prob have way more experience with him in these games than I do

First real game we’ve played together that I can think of*

[EnderWiggin]

I don't have a vest and I am sad.

[Cape90]

I don’t love the reasoning but it might be right anyway

id rather give Dolby a bit more space today since they’re catching up but I wasn’t a huge fan of monstrs posts and unsure why people were hard reading him v

i liked a series of a couple of posts monstr made before they got frustrated. Its in my logs somewhere

[EnderWiggin]

Side note:
I am not unconvinced that I wasn't just right on Newcomb.

Caveat: I have read nothing since the flip.

Suffering through migraine today so idk how much I'll do in the next few hours before I inevitably cave to using drugs.

[Zack]

Side note:
I am not unconvinced that I wasn't just right on Newcomb.

Caveat: I have read nothing since the flip.

Suffering through migraine today so idk how much I'll do in the next few hours before I inevitably cave to using drugs.

fwiw i think you probably were just right on newcomb, unless he really picks it up today



(migraines suck )

[Zack]

Also if you look at Zack's logs, I think zack is like 99% an obvtown anyways

[insert poop joke about my logs] @Dobby

[hollowkatt]

I don't have a vest and I am sad.

copycat

[hollowkatt]

vote: dolby

my bones say this is the chop

[hollowkatt]

I low key hate like the last 20 posts in Raskols ISO and would not be sad if he were to blow up.

[Csargo]

I low key hate like the last 20 posts in Raskols ISO and would not be sad if he were to blow up.

Rask has no problem with bussing? Don't think I've ever seen him as a woof.

[Sleep]

@Cape90 : can you explain why you had ladd in your wolf leans yesterday?

[EnderWiggin]

fwiw i think you probably were just right on newcomb, unless he really picks it up today



(migraines suck )

How the turntables.

[EnderWiggin]

Rask has no problem with bussing? Don't think I've ever seen him as a woof.

I don't remember much of the time I've seen Rask wolf but he's usually a sideways busser. Like he'll never be the primary push on a partner.

He can bus tho.

[Sleep]

i read dolbys catchup including the wall, some of the reasoning is eh, conclusions are hasty, but i can see it coming from a villager. i wouldnt be shocked if hes a wolf but its not something i have a burning urge to see flipped, contrary to how some are talking about him

[Sleep]

also i just had this thought but: the sorc and backup shouldnt necessarily out, if the sorc target is a wolf they have every incentive to let the prs out themselves and then kill one. this is somewhat dependent on whoever is the bomber for today but prefer no claiming here just yet

[Newcomb]

i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.

there are two things that ping me re: ender

1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.

i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.

2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.

I think this post points towards bennah not being with ladd. First, the way he kind of lightly shades ladd and then moves onto the meat of the post feels a bit.. drive by-y for a partner? Like if he's with ladd there there's just a touch more oomph to it, a touch more awareness. And then second, the way he's disagreeing with ladd's stuff about ender being wolfy, but then the meat of his post is calling ender wolfy for different reasons. That kind of nuance especially in early game would surprise me if w/w - like, calling your partner's take bad but then also giving the same take for different reasons.

[Sleep]

im rereading EOD and i really think ender is a villager based on the way he was posting


montmorency had kind of a funny reaction to winston voting ladd where he asked "is this a bit?" which kinda makes me raise my eyebrow a bit

but im not sure he does the vote -> "whats the tally" -> unvote thing as a wolf

[Csargo]

I don't remember much of the time I've seen Rask wolf but he's usually a sideways busser. Like he'll never be the primary push on a partner.

He can bus tho.

I figured.

[Newcomb]

hmm, guess i never got around to finishing that thought, i had that post sitting in notepad for a few hours and didnt edit it, my fault for hitting publish on my first draft. i think what i was going for is "it's messing around, there's nothing substantial about it that you could agree with"

Someone get Ender on the phone to call this post wolfy for faking a simple mistake because apparently that's something wolves do a lot.

[Sleep]

zack seems villagery. benneh is my top villa. lettuce form the masons triumvirate

hk said some stuff wolves prob dont say

i liked mont's opening for exact same reasons as sleep

sunbae seems wolfy



i'll help benneh [get the game going] is what I meant

level 0 read of this is that its pockety of zack and ben. not unfakeable but a + in the ledger

[Cuthillius]

I feel like you have a lot of experience with ladd in turbos and such to where you would easily pick up when ladd is mafia. Heck, even I had my suspicions there, though I did express I wasn't confident in that admittedly.

this would be a pretty ballsy thing to say as a wolf here

[Cuthillius]

Someone get Ender on the phone to call this post wolfy for faking a simple mistake because apparently that's something wolves do a lot.

this is unnecessary

[Cuthillius]

vote: montmorency

sum'n sum'n

[Newcomb]

katze treatement of newcomb this game is pretty much a carbon copy of how he treated me as v/v in the poisoner invitational 21er afair

except he gave me d1 freepass (and i did get n1ed)


and i dont really think they'd play like this as a wolf

I think I gotta give katz some points for this... in general I don't really like reading into direct spew, I more like to re-read and see what everyone else was saying about the red flip, but given the stuff I was talking about re: katz before ladd made this post, I think it's a lot more likely that ladd could throw that out there that casually because it was right. As a wolf he knows he's defending someone he knows is his partner to someone he knows is town and on balance I think there'd just be a bit more meat to it. Like he'd have to know that wouldn't really move the needle, it's too weak. So what would be the point?

[Newcomb]

this is unnecessary

Oh come on, I get shaded for like 2 days by like 3 people and am begrudgingly coming to read some of them as villagers and I'm not allowed like *one post* to snap back a little? Like literally someone ITT said they'd flip me and feel "0 guilt" if I flipped v. Like, the fuck did I do? I'm just over here playing my game.

I think I'm being admirably even-keeled for the most part.