Casual december game

[EnderWiggin]

I've had a think about it and I'm throwing away the Pizza read pending further info.

I'll explain it later just in case as to why I got there, but I've been thinking and I was critical of others doing the "But x would've seen this!" in past games and its kinda hypocritical of me to use it. People miss things or don't do things all the time and it's not always because of alignment like that.

I will circle back around to this in like...

24 hours.

[Vulgard]

I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

[EnderWiggin]

So I am taking it Pizza is going with a cautionary angle where Ender has TMI. Though I feel like this POV is better to have if you are actually actively wolfreading Ender which it appears ATPG is not exactly.

Taffy comes from my forum. We have some history of me fooling Taffy, and me reading her based around how she treats me.

Why did you think my take was TMI? It was specifically around a read based on me?

[EnderWiggin]

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

Get in my pocket damnit! D:<

[Cape90]

The reason you are not in votable tier is because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery or is "scummy" on purpose.

That's clever and all but don't please.

I missed this part and I apologize.

You kind of put word soup here. What are you even saying with the first part?

because I strongly suspect you're doing everything you've done so far this round which isn't villagery

I am simply missing the context I feel like.

And about the scummy on purpose thing, why if it is so clever should he not do it? I don't think a play like that is quite clever myself.

I feel like that's not what Ender is doing, I just feel like if this was the case, Ender would be more overtly scummy rather then how low-key they have felt. (low-key is not the right word since it's true Ender has posted a lot, but my point is if I were doing that play, I feel like I would moreso mess around and poke buttons while giggling to myself to see how far I could take it).

I had to remember this was bladescape on another note.

[Cape90]

I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me.

Well there is also this, and I kind of want to townread it lmao.

But it's obviously wolfy self-awareness so cape is wrong

[Cape90]

Did you read his pregame posting? It's relevant here.

Okay so it's NAI. Figured after a while

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did I miss something where a no-poster drops a full tier?

Ender/Bladescape is not a zero poster.

[Cape90]

Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

also maybe technically falls under OGI so get rekt

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

I grant townreads on gut this early because box in the wolves, 2+2 turbo golden sweep style and have actually had success in so doing five times since September on day 1 or first day of play if it wasn't day 1.

So, not TMI, but gut that's actually getting better at early snapreads. Better meaning above rand, which... wow, thats a huge improvement because my gut is connected to my ass for a reason.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

They're the same. My gut is ass, and usually produces poopy reads this early.

[Vulgard]

also maybe technically falls under OGI so get rekt

It's literally in the same thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

I'm where you're at on towntells on other things I am starting to believe only correlated with success, like derpclears.

Lilypetal smoked me in the Kingmaker because she derpcleared very very very convincingly.

That was the last straw. It's a broken process and it's gone. Never again.

[luvs2spooge]

I AMA tha maphier

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?

That's a nulltown pile. Plop.

There ya go Kagemusha. Day one pass for you.

I remember you're a good wolf, so. More null than town, but still. It's good. I'm not gonna vote you here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

(snip, but previous sentences also apply)

But maybe I am cosmic braining this since ATPG is saying that Amy was wolftelling over here...

My scumtell list has been viewed fifteen thousand times. Let's say a thousand of those are me writing the guide, and a bunch are bots. It's still been viewed by hundreds of mafia players, period.

Villagers also scumtell.

Because of my published guide, I am largely disregarding the scumtells process. It is a factor, but it is inaccurate now.

Any wolf familiar with the draft version of the guide will know what tells to avoid now.

There have been example(s) so far of where I entirely threw out or even reversed the scumtells process because players were in the game who I know for a fact have read the scumtells section of my guide.

When I believe that happened, the people scumtelling in a game are town or wolves that are lazy and don't care about being warned what not to post.

I cannot use scumtells as a basis of a vote anymore. Even if I point them out, the value they now hold is equivalent to fractions of a penny per wolftell.

I cannot put stock in the published scumtell list, but in the event it wasn't read or the wolf team writ large is unaware, those are examples of scumtells in a concentrated manner, so I point it out.

And then explain why I'm moving on, because the false positives are outpacing the correct positives over the past few months.

Mainly because the guide has been viewed fifteen thousand times.

[luvs2spooge]

where isa the mafia

[luvs2spooge]

My scumtell list has been viewed fifteen thousand times. Let's say a thousand of those are me writing the guide, and a bunch are bots. It's still been viewed by hundreds of mafia players, period.

Villagers also scumtell.

Because of my published guide, I am largely disregarding the scumtells process. It is a factor, but it is inaccurate now.

Any wolf familiar with the draft version of the guide will know what tells to avoid now.

There have been example(s) so far of where I entirely threw out or even reversed the scumtells process because players were in the game who I know for a fact have read the scumtells section of my guide.

When I believe that happened, the people scumtelling in a game are town or wolves that are lazy and don't care about being warned what not to post.

I cannot use scumtells as a basis of a vote anymore. Even if I point them out, the value they now hold is equivalent to fractions of a penny per wolftell.

I cannot put stock in the published scumtell list, but in the event it wasn't read or the wolf team writ large is unaware, those are examples of scumtells in a concentrated manner, so I point it out.

And then explain why I'm moving on, because the false positives are outpacing the correct positives over the past few months.

Mainly because the guide has been viewed fifteen thousand times.

you sound like a villager

[Askthepizzaguy]

I missed this part and I apologize.

You kind of put word soup here. What are you even saying with the first part?

I am simply missing the context I feel like.

And about the scummy on purpose thing, why if it is so clever should he not do it? I don't think a play like that is quite clever myself.

I feel like that's not what Ender is doing, I just feel like if this was the case, Ender would be more overtly scummy rather then how low-key they have felt. (low-key is not the right word since it's true Ender has posted a lot, but my point is if I were doing that play, I feel like I would moreso mess around and poke buttons while giggling to myself to see how far I could take it).

I had to remember this was bladescape on another note.

Because this will largely only help you, anyone else who cares can click the spoiler.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Bladescape knows how I hunt wolves on a very intimate basis. Has seen my guide on hunting wolves.

He knows my scumtells and other means of solving. He admitted he did certain things that are wolfy already deliberately.

Much of the rest of his iso is wolfy and not what I believe Bladescape(enderwiggin) should be doing here as town.

I asked him to play it straight if he's trying to be wolf read by me deliberately. I told Wisdom the same thing in two recent games where they deliberately tried to get a certain player to read them wolf. Once as town, once as wolf because they just did it as town.

Interfering with a townie's solve in that manner is not good teamwork, I find it selfish.

Blades is not a selfish player so he will begin playing the game straight from here on out or my wolf read will stand.

It is clever in the sense that he can, as town, read my solving process and see if I am processing it out like town!me.

But it is selfish and sabotages the team in that it makes my reads list worse when he is town, and causes me to miss hitting a wolf with my vote.

And he is a strong enough WINE-ful wolf that he would absolutely do all this as wolf for the sheer bravado and WIFOM of it.

He also said he's not doing it all deliberately, and the stuff I find not deliberately wolfy is far wolfier than the bits I think he's doing on purpose.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well there is also this, and I kind of want to townread it lmao.

But it's obviously wolfy self-awareness so cape is wrong

There ya go.

I picked up on he's doing it deliberately before he admitted he was.

I have played with blades enough to know this is not his town game, and that part of it was intentional.

The issue is, that's a great smokescreen for the stuff he's worried I will catch legitimately if he is wolfing here.

He can always just claim he was trying to be wolfy, which he already admitted to.

That is a panacea for being scumread.

Which is a tactic.

And not a solving one. Which is why the wolfread stands.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is a solid lean of wolf, for the reasons given.

However, I am careful with my blade(scape) and will not dome him over it on day one.

He has the remainder of the round to find a wolf and convince me not to yeet him, and be properly villagery and stop sabotaging my reads list.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I AMA tha maphier

You will have to be wolfier than that if you want to be the yetee today.

(platonic hugs)

Welcome to the game, friendo I have never met before, presumably. Lettuce find woofs if you're town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

where isa the mafia

It'sa me, Red Waluigi.

Waluigi is a very legitimate businessman. We're like family, capice? Some people I know sleep with the Cheep-Cheeps. Waluigi not judging but not his thing.

you sound like a villager

Accurate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cape90 is Green Mario this game.

(That's code for "Luigi")


(That's code for "Town")

[Askthepizzaguy]

Been meaning to post this for like 30 minutes but kept quick replying.

Vulgard, no idea who this person is. Could be a level 5 megawolf I do not know, zero meta.

A read of their iso puts them in my not wolfread list and shall not be voted by me today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2. Csargo
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
13. Boquise- has posted.
15. Renata

Unsorted.

I love all of these people and am sad that there's on average 2+ wolves in this list.



Me bracing myself for votes I won't like to make later on.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Please for the love of god be villagery so I have to redo my nulltown pile.

[Vulgard]

Been meaning to post this for like 30 minutes but kept quick replying.

Vulgard, no idea who this person is. Could be a level 5 megawolf I do not know, zero meta.

A read of their iso puts them in my not wolfread list and shall not be voted by me today.

I'm a level 10 megawolf.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Amy
Bladescape

2. Csargo
7. dyachei
11. Ladd
13. Boquise- has posted.
15. Renata

These people, when I can extract at least one town read from these five names, hopefully 2.

These are the people who if I had to prevent from seeing night one, I would pick off of this list exclusively.

[luvs2spooge]

You will have to be wolfier than that if you want to be the yetee today.

(platonic hugs)

Welcome to the game, friendo I have never met before, presumably. Lettuce find woofs if you're town.

Ohohoho no. I AMA the mystery. But you know me.

[luvs2spooge]

I'm a level 10 megawolf.

Ohohoho you certainly are quite the wolf.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm a level 10 megawolf.

I'm a level five wolf, and I haven't met anyone stronger than me.

About twenty equals, and individually impressive performances that I would need to be five years younger and with zero kids to emulate.

Level six wolves I have never seen before. But, noated.