Casual december game

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does this work
@EnderWiggin

If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?

Can you devote massive hours to the game?

How do you feel about your solve? Confident?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).

If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.

I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.

Explain your wolf read on me please.

Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.

[Renata]

I meant to also have Visor in the iffy category. A bit lacking.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At the 24 hour mark, I will reveal all of my leans and also what power role I am, and reveal all my mechanical info so far.

Everyone needs to be active and attentive and cooperative with me until that time.

After that, you can do with me whatever you wish, you will have 24 hours to decide my alignment past that point.

I am cutting the day in half.

I am leading this town during the first half. This is NOT negotiable by anyone.

[Renata]

Fuck me I did have Visor written down. This is what I mean by not functioning.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you have reason not to cooperate say your piece now, otherwise I will turbo yeet you today after the 24 hour mark.

[Totally not Taffy]

A loosely ordered reads list since I didn't get around to it yesterday. It's also late and I will not read posts until tomorrow morning.


People I would prefer not to reconsider until LyLo:

Boquise: you voted Kagemusha shortly after I got pinged (see below), and I don't believe a wolf would have started a wagon with so little chance of success at a time when that could not but draw a lot of unwanted attention (as it did). My impression of you as a wolf is more one of slyly steering people than of making fancy twtbaw plays, correct me if wrong.

Vulgard: your early game gave me the impression that you were uncomfortable in the thread (which is probably where all those scumreads come from), and I believe that you'd be happier and more confident if you had randed wolf. If we both live till LyLo I'll put in some work to look at former wolf games of yours to see if faking this is something you like to do.

Cape: you made that post saying that you sometimes as a wolf like to up your obliviousness to jokes and if that was a lampshade of what you were actually doing at SoD then mad props to you but for now you look very towny to me.



People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on:

Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.

Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.

Spooge: I've liked most of your posts, I'm interested in having you explain why you think HK is so obviously town because as you can see we disagree there.

Ladd: I thought your post with the quotes from Logic was awful until someone called it a joke. I'm pretty sure you haven't done anything that would let me read you yet.

Asks: I have made zero effort to guess your alignment, you count as my null on this list. The fact that half of the players ended above and half below is a coincidence I find particularly funny.

Renata: missing most of D1 and then obviously not being able to contribute much could be a way for a wolf to get past D1 and out of having to fool Asks I guess, but really you're just null atp.

Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little.

Kagemusha: p286 pinged me as potentially a wolf who had been happy to have found something to push Monty for and then had that taken away from them. This is little more than a fleeting impression. Other than that you haven't done much, so if I were looking for a wolf trying to fly under the radar you're a top candidate.

Ampharos: you're mainly here because you were one of the counterwagons and therefore of interest. I'm not finding you stilted, but I've no idea what you are like in other games, so... would you agree that in general you enjoy wolfing much more than towning?


The people I'm most interested in today:

Hollowkatt: I realise that it was unfair of me to say you disappeared. I still think your interactions with other people SoD looked more wolfy than towny, your wagon never went anywhere, and you're someone others have expressed reads on, so you're a person of interest.

Ender: you were the main counterwagon and also I've realised that that gradual way you developed that townread on me is exactly the right way to pocket me and you would know that. The main reason you're above Visor is that I've never been in a game where you're tryharding before and it's rather fun to see.

Visor: I've made enough posts yesterday that you shouldn't have completely forgotten that I'm in the game. To me that looks like a wolf trying to project an air of detachment, hoping that people will reason "oh he'd put more effort in if he were a wolf".

[Renata]

Explain your wolf read on me please.

Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.

I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.

The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.

[dyachei]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Taffy

Would you bet the game that Vulgard is town?

Meaning, you have no doubt at all.

If so, explain how you got there in a manner that presupposes I have never played with Vulgard, do not know how to read him, and if you are that confident you must have strong reasons.

I need you to hold my hand, and walk me through it like I am stupid. Do not assume I understand anything you're saying but the definitions of the words you're using.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?

[hollowkatt]

I could see Vulgard, Enderwiggin (blade) and Visor based on the wagon comp.

They are not his bottom three, but there's reasons for me to discount two of his bottom four and I'm the third, and he clearly doesn't know a town PR when he sees one claim repeatedly.

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.

The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.

You have no idea I am town.

Awesome, gonna set you aside in the null pile.

[dyachei]

Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?

you're a grouch today aren't you

I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem

I think visor and ender are also in the POE

Vulgard and Amy are likely v

[Askthepizzaguy]

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum. I have no other basis to townread Ladd at the moment, but I have reading to do so I can get there.

Taffy seems okay from what I saw of day one, but I will look again.

If Vulgard is town the reason for the kill is almost certainly that it was a PR hunt, because his reads were therefore not scary.

[Askthepizzaguy]

you're a grouch today aren't you

I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem

I think visor and ender are also in the POE

Vulgard and Amy are likely v

Can you tell me the whys behind some of those before midday today?

[hollowkatt]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me

[dyachei]

Can you tell me the whys behind some of those before midday today?

sure

Amy read is based almost entirely on tone atp. I have played with her many times and have hydra'd with her. I think my read on her tends to be better than most people's read on her.

Vulgard I think has approached this game in a very villagery way. I find his solving villagery.

Visor is pretty lackluster this game. Not sure if it's because it's a casual game or if he's a wolf. I feel like visor, when he's villaging, has these like...bright moments of insight that I haven't really seen this game

Ender was counterwagon to a villager and that's enough to put him on a short list. I suck at reading him

[Visor]

Nice casual wallposts

:Curtain:

[Renata]

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

[dyachei]

interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me

i'm dead tired today (kiddo is sick and woke me up in the middle of the night and did not want to go back to sleep) and sick. I will ask you stuff but it might not be tonight

[dyachei]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

why not?

[Visor]

Just want to apologise to logic for not pushing back hard enough at the end, prob should've killed ender (or stuck on Amy) but I felt bad about pushing both of them and copped out to killing you cause it'd get people talking elsewhere

My fault bronana, should've pushed back earlier

[Visor]

Luv2 spooge got killed for two (three) reasons

He was repping a decent player

He also presented as someone who is a town leader and wouldn't be pushed out

(Also potentially his reads)

I expect wolves to have either known who he was, suspected, wanted to control the thread more than I care about his reads (though I do care about his reads)

Ymmv

[Renata]

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.

Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

Yep.

[Montmorency]

Who was l2s anyway?

3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic

4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.

By standard theory Visor and Renata look pretty odd for wagonomics, though I suppose it's NAI if it turns out Ender is town as well. Is there any sense at all that Renata was being coached in her approach?

I called out your brusque EOD comment that there are scum on the Logic wagon because, well, it would be very rare for there not to be with such a distribution. Generally I was struck by how you didn't advance the thread state with your EOD pop-in, so why do it that way at all? As either alignment it feels like you should be working some grand strategy, but the pop-in didn't feel like any meaningful strategy.

I'm sure you have good reasons, wrong or right, for suspecting all the same people I have been pinged by (I have no thoughts on Vulgard), but I figure I'll encounter them as I pore over your D1 contributions. Can you lay out in just a paragraph how all their activities fit against each other? What's the grand theory for the Mafia plan?

Since you're you, can you skim D1 of the last Org game (mini) and discern why Vulgard was the D1 ML? If he's your top suspect this will be relevant.

Because...

It's much more a Pizza-specific fact pattern. Namely, we showed you the plan, you utterly destroyed it within 5 hours of game start, inarguably so - believe me, I tried to argue the case - so I scurried away while...

...

If I were to put it to a vote, I wonder what the results would be.

1) Logic should be checkmated
2) Logic should deliver checkmate
3) Pat Buchanan

Be careful, I hear option number 3 got unusually popular that one time.

Maybe chads aren't the only thing that should be hanging.

Check!

Vote: Logic

Hint: Vote for Logic. It's the first move in a 3 or 4 move checkmate, don't know which. I didn't check it with a computer and I'm old.

This was 150 MINUTES after game start. The only time I've had soul reads like that was on GH in Pizza's Nuzelock game, whereupon I fumbled my conditional vig in expectation that I could oust GH on D2 (and GH happened to be the one player vulnerable to my vig). Not only can Pizza crush reads the majority of games, he can deliver on them as well.

Tangentially, an honorable mention from shortly after the qy. Posts like this must be why I killed reinoe N3.

Given Zack commenting on pretty much everyone except Logic, he's either scum with him or mason with him or neighbors with him. I think they're talking to each other.

Regardless, Zack's quality vs quantity isn't very good at all. There's almost no gamesolving other than OMGUS.

Unvote: Logic

Vote: Zack

ATPG and GH probably town.

What I'm trying to say is, I recall asking you about your Logic case in comparison to his play in the then-previous game (XCOM), and you used that opportunity to deliver a slam-dunk meta case for why Logic couldn't be blue-aligned. My apologies if you did this already yesterday (wrt Vulg).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.

I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.

[Renata]

why not?

Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"

Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.

[dyachei]

Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"

Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.

I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town