17er Saints and Martyrs

[Raskolnikov]

this is totally normal

Btw another micro read about Arctic but I don't see a wolf replying this to my EOD1 post. We have had some back and forth D1 with Arctic so I decided to provide cover to town PRs and soft a vig shot on him lol. I don't think he reacts to it if wolf tbh.

[dyachei]

I'm not sure why it's wolfy I never said more than that gemmas entrance was wolfy because there wasn't a lot to read on d1 from Gemma

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah dw Dya, we will bring it home if you are a villager anyway. Good week end with kiddos and family

[dyachei]

Also I changed my read on arctic when he and I melded over eod2. That also doesn't make me a wolf and it had nothing to do with game state but you won't see that from hallys cherry picked posts

[dyachei]

I honestly think I've been strictly in my villager meta today so like git gud hally

[dyachei]

You guys are treating me like gh but this time you know I was right about eod1 so it's kind of confusing. And Gemma was a better vote than visor or syn so like get wrekt. You've been telling me how much I've sucked since d1 and it really kind of sucks

Oh well I'm out

[dyachei]

Rask please read my posts on your own instead of just reading hallys biased synopsis.

[Wisdom]

I know some folks earlier said they had trouble understanding Wisdom's posts, and I didn't see it. Maybe I was reading too fast. Maybe too slow. Don't like the justification of why Wisdom is not a wolf.

But this one? I don't get at all. Specifically, why the strong town reads were wrong.

Sorry, those who strongly town read me*

[dyachei]

Rask Ben and arctic are always town don't Elim them. Vanta wisdom and hally is the poe when I'm gone

[Totally not Taffy]

Comically wolfsiding ftw!

Vote Count

Dyachei (2) : Wisdom, Raskolnikov
Wisdom (1) : Vanta
Vanta (1) : Dyachei

Not voting: Benneh
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ender, Hally


Vote History

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

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Vote: Vanta Black

vote: vanta black

Vote: Vanta

Vote: Dyachei

Vote: unvote

##vote Wisdom

unvote

Vote: Dya

Vote: vanta

Post Counts

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EoD5 post counts for easy math:

Please use the "Vote: Player" format. That colon is important.

[dyachei]

Oh I forgot ender. He's in the poe

[EnderWiggin]

Rask Ben and arctic are always town don't Elim them. Vanta wisdom and hally is the poe when I'm gone

[EnderWiggin]

I'll be around for a bit at a terrible hour because I wanna get some stuff done on this game and wildly following other people is something I hate so idk we wildin

[EnderWiggin]

That is to say I'm going to go reread a bunch I'll be back in 30 minutes when I half fall asleep at my desk.

[Raskolnikov]

[Raskolnikov]

Ender, just make sure to read this while catching up. I feel like we will get closer to the a correct solve if townies give it some thought

[EnderWiggin]

I'm back to defending Dya tbh. They have little interaction in early game but Dya's attempt to bring Gemma up as a wolf at the end of day 1 wasn't a great effort, but it isn't in line with what I know for Dya's wolf game. (Specifically bringing a 2nd wolf into a situation that has 1 wolf/1 town as lead wagons.)

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, just make sure to read this while catching up. I feel like we will get closer to the a correct solve if townies give it some thought

Huh. Thank you. I never would've got there myself.

[Raskolnikov]

jan no offense, but that's the lamest reason to not vote someone I've ever heard. And I've played with people who have voted mech cleared villagers

if arctic is being wolfy now just vote them now. Don't wait for them to continue being wolfy

i mean you told me you think he's being wolfy but dont want to vote him. That's not me asking you to tunnel him, it's me asking why you aren't willing to vote someone you're wolf reading

I feel like Im continuously being misunderstood this game and im frustrated. that's not on you guys, it's clearly on me since I'm the one that keeps having problems

I'd rather vote murska than syn though

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

Yes Ender, but for instance these post exist. It doesn't look like Gemma was the plan. I can see w!Dya switching to a light bus on Gemma when they saw Syn being the chop and Ladd starting to post stuff like "if Syn flips red, Visor is next" (post 702, two posts before Dya switching to Gemma)

[EnderWiggin]

Yes Ender, but for instance these post exist. It doesn't look like Gemma was the plan. I can see w!Dya switching to a light bus on Gemma when they saw Syn being the chop and Ladd starting to post stuff like "if Syn flips red, Visor is next" (post 702, two posts before Dya switching to Gemma)

Ngl bruv, feels like a stretch. Especially since:
1. Dya's earlier posts easily could cover a Murska vote (he hadn't claimed yet.)
2. If Dya wanted to bus and had "given up" on Syn then voting Syn would be better in terms of value.
3. Gemma is a PR they would want to keep around and there were several people that had talked about sussing/voting Gemma. Voting that and throwing it out like that has a lot more danger than some other options.

But I acknowledge that's not that much stronger than your side. It's partially assumption and I am afraid I might be wrong with it.

Btu there's another reason I kinda townread Dya here.

Gemma has had a strong need to interact with her partners.

Day 1:
Interactions with Flipped Wolf Visor:

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i was about to swap my vote to visor but now the dogged detrermination has set in >:[

i alos have no idea if this is a real read or not lol

i mean i cant even tell if he actually wants to yeet them so like

@Visor wolfy sup who is wolf etc

good question

ask me again in about 7 hours

so when im asleep

ok sure will do

(In reference to Gemma's wallpost)

Interactions with Flipped Wolf Syn:

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why tho

he called me based

ur based

:((

(I already called this out D2 as very w/w looking.)

Both cases they hadn't been interacting and Gemma felt the need to force a weird interaction. Dya also didn't interact with Gemma but there was no attempt from Gemma to push any sort of interaction.

[EnderWiggin]

As above the one that twigged me most the same way:
Interactions with Vanta:

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oh righjt you exist

hi hello welcome

rescinded btw

Is this because I made one post and got quiet?

Is this.

[EnderWiggin]

Which is very funny given my opinions on Vanta all game long. I think I wanted Vanta to be towning with me and I've been huffing copium and they might just be last wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Note: Gemma needing partner interaction doesn't mean that one of the people who she interacted with more couldn't be the other partner.

I mostly bring it up because the complete lack of interest in talking to Dya felt different to how she treated either partner. Or me/Arctic. (Both in my and Arctic's case there was strong appeals/reacting to our reads in exaggerated fashion.

[EnderWiggin]

Also I am so spewed clear between Syn and Gemma lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Wisdom also doesn't really have interactions but... also never was really in thread at the same time usually so idk how to read that.

I could be offtrack.

[Raskolnikov]

acknowledged Ender. It may be a stretch I agree, but again, w!Dya prolly doesn't want to chop Syn D1, may not want to chop Logic either (because of their D1 read) so may have ended up on a vanity wolf wagon which could be pointed at later (lettuce be real, Gemma was never dying D1 if you remember how it played out)

My point being that your reason to dismiss wolf!Dya isn't valid. (I am not saying my stuff is what happened, but it could be, so your reasonning doesn't stand)

[EnderWiggin]

acknowledged Ender. It may be a stretch I agree, but again, w!Dya prolly doesn't want to chop Syn D1, may not want to chop Logic either (because of their D1 read) so may have ended up on a vanity wolf wagon which could be pointed at later (lettuce be real, Gemma was never dying D1 if you remember how it played out)

My point being that your reason to dismiss wolf!Dya isn't valid. (I am not saying my stuff is what happened, but it could be, so your reasonning doesn't stand)

What about see Gemma and pushing interactions with partners?

[Raskolnikov]

What about see Gemma and pushing interactions with partners?

well I kindof don't wanna too, because you are going to call me obvious wolf for EOD5

[dyachei]

acknowledged Ender. It may be a stretch I agree, but again, w!Dya prolly doesn't want to chop Syn D1, may not want to chop Logic either (because of their D1 read) so may have ended up on a vanity wolf wagon which could be pointed at later (lettuce be real, Gemma was never dying D1 if you remember how it played out)

My point being that your reason to dismiss wolf!Dya isn't valid. (I am not saying my stuff is what happened, but it could be, so your reasonning doesn't stand)

Hallys whole case isn't valid but you seem to be giving it credence. No way I bus a pr over a goon when I could easily have swung onto syn

[Raskolnikov]

I kindly disagree Dya, because

- the state of your reads at EOD1 (u even replied to Ladd you and GH were the main "resistors" to Syn's wagon because you weren't seeing the things we were pointing at)
- again, there is no way you convince me Gemma had any chance to go over D1. (so the argument "I am not chopping a PR over a goon" isn't valid to me)