Tarot Mafia

[Sunbae]

no no you are so good i love the comic

ill give you a long answer tomorrow, i am extremely tired and out of it now

and it came off exactly that way nothing to worry about

[Gemma]

people who better all be villagers or we lose lol i mean we probably lose anyway but wolves in here and jede Hoffnung ist verloren xdd
insom
grr
dya

people who people say did some wolfy shit in pages i havent bothered to read and/or are apparently paired with benneh or smth but i dont really have enough villagers so im not letting this one go until lylo suck it
dolby

people who maybe kinda look decent-ish off spew ig maybe and were ~fine previously but their posts today were so bad lol but also they're probably not with knights so yeah whatever ig i should technically probably v read them at least until knights flips v and they claim some nonsense that makes no sense with the inverter at which point i can be like hehe ur a wolf hehe and then i push the yeet on them in f3 and win us the game and by us i mean wolves wait no-
ender

people who have seemed out of touch of with thread all game and then occasionally make massive posts like wow but i just ? at them (skill issue on my part) and also they were best buds with benneh until dya ruined it ovo
sunbae

people who give me the heebie jeboobies and i constantly want to kill them but not enough to actually kill them which honestly perfectly fits the profile of a wolf but here i am still typing about it and not doing anythijng about it oh noooooo
monty

people who i want to kill
wisdom
knights
vanta
maple

people who ive wanted to kill for so long idk what to do with myself anymore
wisdom
maple

dead wolves who outed themselves to kill ladd because they were high on the toxic fumes emitted when u put pasta in cold water u fkin animal for ??? reasons
benneh

some dude who didnt doc save newcomb
jan

he was my villager
rask

not sure if some of these tiers were strictly needed hmm

[insomnia]

reasons to debate retirement:

in most games, i don't care until a switch just turns on in my head and i realize we're in danger of losing. that is when i really start reading and doing actual solving instead of lazy work driven by inertia

i don't feel like we're about to lose, so i still don't care to do much other than flipping maple / wisdom and see where we're at afterwards

im a sloth

[Wisdom]

@Visor a votecount pls? :3

I'm not budging from Maple today, but I still go a little brr from not being able to check where people are voting.

[Wisdom]

reasons to debate retirement:

in most games, i don't care until a switch just turns on in my head and i realize we're in danger of losing. that is when i really start reading and doing actual solving instead of lazy work driven by inertia

i don't feel like we're about to lose, so i still don't care to do much other than flipping maple / wisdom and see where we're at afterwards

im a sloth

Big vibes

I'm usually in top shape d1-d3 and then I go into hibernation mode until LYLO starts.
Feeling kinda weird about Semis starting next week but I think that it's good that I'm playing mafia in the meantime instead of just hypeing it up to absurdity like I always tend to do. I might not show it but I really appreciate being in this game :3

Just sucks that, well, my wolf reads haven't been great so far. Couldn't see what you saw on Stett and I should have stuck with the ladd TR but fam is it easy to go tinfoil on that guy when he's having an off game.
Confident that Maple's a wolf tho, so there's still chance for redemption!

I'm glad that I found Jan early at least :3

[insomnia]

idt ladd had an off game

he played good, but was just more reserved i guess or less pushy. could've been because of holiday or because the older you get, the softer you become hehe

[EnderWiggin]

Sunbae and Dya coming to very similar spew reads to me makes me feel ~p good about em.

[EnderWiggin]

jan and ben being the only two kills in the night make that possibility pretty nonsensical, given wolf!me just kills jan and we use our factional elsewhere

in that scenario, the medic heal would be fake and/or we just never stack w/ him on dya

Why are you sure wolves have an odd night kill?

Like idk it's weird that your "evidence" posts kinda try to use it as an argument as if you know it's objective truth.

[dyachei]

Sunbae and Dya coming to very similar spew reads to me makes me feel ~p good about em.

what are your thoughts on reading benneh?

[EnderWiggin]

you'd have been blocked in jail tho man? Think your one shot PGO wouldn't have been usable
@EnderWiggin I think to get to wisdom spewed from Benneh that doesn't cover it. I feel that the first thing with Benneh talking to me does look good from Wisdom but I was clearing Wisdom for bad reasons since I was still catching up with the thread at the time, and it would have potentially been bad long term to use that to clear wisdom when I don't think Wisdom was a major push at that exact point in time?

Straight up disagree with the post advocating voting out wisdom and exeing Maple. Thread was clearly moving towards a wisdom lead at that time and there's some hedgy language in that despite that leads me to think that he didn't want to actually go there

I kinda think Benneh trying to fight the Spew Reads and generally disagreeing in shadey fashion with anyone trying to clear them off Syn's flip just doesn't feel aligned.

Like, at what point don't you just shut up and let it happen if your partner is being cleared from another wolf's flip?

[EnderWiggin]

what are your thoughts on reading benneh?

Vote: Dolby

Sorry for the rand friendo.

I think Wisdom/Gemma/Sunbae/Maaaaaybe Maple (And me ofc) look good off the spew.

Also Dya but tbh that's just a given at this point lel.

Dolby/Knights/Monty are probably the ones I feel worse about most.

And now I sleep. My 1 job of spew reading is done. =P

From before you started your spew reads =P

[EnderWiggin]

Is this your only reason cuz its probably gonna take a horse to drag me off wisdom. thing of note is that benneh was very well aware of wisdoms fakeclaim in the 12/12er on MU, so my question is why didnt he bring it up the day before already to shade her. Don't know how much of a powerwolf benneh is but that was my initial reaction to it and he didnt mention until I did. (and I'm also not sure I understand WHAT you are seeing in that post).

I hope you did read my other posts because I quote like... 3 or 4 different examples of Wisdom being shaded/pushed by Benneh.

[EnderWiggin]

Im a bit disappointed that Ender and I have just been sending smoke signals back and forth this game cause its always fun to vibe with him :(

Can I get your thoughts on my "oh no, Benneh posted a lost wolf signal and now I don't know if I can read into his thoughts on Wisdom?" thing cause I'm kind of hung up on it and backburnering a Wisdom iso until later this game day because of it.

Same tbh.

Blame me living in constant agony of irl requirements and struggling with my brain.

[Wisdom]

idt ladd had an off game

he played good, but was just more reserved i guess or less pushy. could've been because of holiday or because the older you get, the softer you become hehe

Maybe I'm just biased. He went from town reading me d1-d2 to just nopeing that. He even had good reasoning when town reading me! Smh

[EnderWiggin]

maybe i shouldn't give dolby that much leeway for pushing ender, because benneh also did

idk he's been just incredibly villagery imo compared to his wolf games. i didn't get benneh's read there and by extension dolby's, especially since he has meta

gth a team that makes sense (just off PoE and my random gut pings)

dolby / knights / wisdom

that's if we take maple as legit and sunbae as villa, which im not sold on

i really need to read mont though

I mean the bolded is exactly why I reacted super strongly to Dolby's weird "200-215" read on me.

Like he has every right to be more skeptical than most of my play, since we have been pocketing each other as wolves since the dawn of time really, but that misrepresentation and then constantly trying to insist on the interpretation on it was jarring to say the least.

That being said I gave him more leeway because we also haven't played in a hot minute properly so shrug.

But yeah.

[EnderWiggin]

ig problem is with wisdom and maple being two wolves then benneh outing to kill ladd is p much game losing so idk whats up with that but feels very unlikely.

anyhow kill them both listen to dya or something idfk lmaoooo

Vote: Wisdom
Vote: Maple

cya.

Honestly think there's like... one max in there.

For very similar reasons.

Benneh's actions straight up read like someone who doesn't mind drawing attention to yeet Ladd. Obviously Ladd is a great person to daykill when town, but unless you have at least some part of your team deep then putting yourself in danger is just a bad move.

And forgive me for bringing up the thing Arctic was harping on about, but...

Benneh's a good wolf.

I don't think he makes that move if his wolf team is precarious. I think maybe max 1 wolf was in contention EOD for wagons. And most of the others were outside of immediate danger and likely clear of danger for a few days.

Which is part of why I think Dolby fits very well, aside from the spew reads and my general sus.

[EnderWiggin]

I actually have a personal read that there's a deeper wolf than Dolby but also idk where to even start on that rn and I just want to get the POE sorted better before coming back to thinking about tinfoil.

[EnderWiggin]

Can someone compile the following information into one post for me:

Maples claim
Maples d1 target
Maples d2 target
Maples d3 target

Enders claim
Enders d1 target
Enders d2 target
Enders d3 target

Wisdoms claim
Wisdoms d1 target
Wisdoms d2 target
Wisdoms d3 target



I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics over posting but I do want that info in one easily accessible place to understand things as clearly as i can

Ender claimed unspecified Booster role
N1 Stett
N2 No-one
N3 ????
Also was inverted on N3 and haven't clarified about my info.

[EnderWiggin]

Mmmm rather than thinking at 1:30am I think I'll sleep and try and be around for EOD.

I actually have a morning free to WW! It's madness.

See y'all in like 6 or 7 hours when I am unable to sleep again.

[Maple]

Why are you sure wolves have an odd night kill?

Like idk it's weird that your "evidence" posts kinda try to use it as an argument as if you know it's objective truth.

I don't *think* they do, necessarily. That's just a hypothesis. If they have a full vigi, it most likely stacked with jan (twice) and were saved.

I'm gonna be real, chat, it's hard for me to not try and murder wisdom here with how they're playing around my slot lol

[grr]

maybe i shouldn't give dolby that much leeway for pushing ender, because benneh also did

idk he's been just incredibly villagery imo compared to his wolf games. i didn't get benneh's read there and by extension dolby's, especially since he has meta

gth a team that makes sense (just off PoE and my random gut pings)

dolby / knights / wisdom

that's if we take maple as legit and sunbae as villa, which im not sold on

i really need to read mont though

thxx for the answer but which wolf games were you thinking off here i havent seen one myself. @insomnia

[grr]

I hope you did read my other posts because I quote like... 3 or 4 different examples of Wisdom being shaded/pushed by Benneh.

nope i didnt but i just read through bennehs entire iso and i already forgot about them again there was some d1 stuff that was weird af but ig i could see why ladd thought it wasnt w/w? he didnt wanna bank the game on it d3 anymore, shrug. pretty sure they didnt make me feel like that's unaligned tho cuz i probably would have remembered it if i felt about anyone strongly.

i am not sure how much the LATEGAME shade mattered?

[Dolby]

lost 50 bucks in poker last night, stay in school kids

[Dolby]

I actually have a personal read that there's a deeper wolf than Dolby but also idk where to even start on that rn and I just want to get the POE sorted better before coming back to thinking about tinfoil.

unforutnately have to agree bc knights/wisdom/monty/maple feels like it doesn't contain three

[grr]

Maybe I'm just biased. He went from town reading me d1-d2 to just nopeing that. He even had good reasoning when town reading me! Smh

sigh.

[Dolby]

Maybe I'm just biased. He went from town reading me d1-d2 to just nopeing that. He even had good reasoning when town reading me! Smh

isn't this exactly what you did to vanta

[Dolby]

Is Maple a major wagon rn? Want to make sure it isn't and @Gemma you should move your vote, trust.

Tbph I can see moving to Knights today but I have very strong disagreements with the following conclusions that people have made

1. Benneh's Wisdom read spews Wisdom v. I strongly disagree with this. I feel like the moments that Benneh got on Wisdom were broadly more in conjuction to thread consensus than, in contrast, Maple

2. That Benneh would not vote Ladd and simply let Maple go over. If Wisdom is a wolf I can totally see him voting ladd out, since Ladd can potentially post himself out of it if Wisdom is a wolf the next day, and more quite a few people in the game, Benneh is the person they were going after if they began thinking that Ladd is town. I can totally see that as a pairred vote

[Dolby]

I don't have much time @grr any chance you have a approximate VC?

[Maple]

The only reason ladd went over in the first place is because he went to bed, coupled with the people most likely to shield him (me jan sunbae) also *all* either being in bed or afk. If I'm a wolf in his shoes and I think I can swing it over, I *go* for it. Then try to post my way out of it the next day (which dya just taking him out being a good move because of that lol, i used to say that in some situations like that you just shouldn't give me a chance to talk because I can be *very* convincing so you if it doesn't hurt your wincon, just kill me before I get the chance)

Feeling somewhat ill today which fuckin sucks.

[Dolby]

sunbae if u rly believe maple is a villager can u talk about why u think jan would have not killed

i cant make sense of a world where jan doesnt execute there

cuz imo spew and whatever else is basically secondary to that

and also wrt ur spew reads i just dont see u taking into account that benneh could be bussing / talking about what makes his pushes on wisdom/maple distinctly nonbussy and taking the context of those pushes within their gamestate into account

eg ur saying benneh pushing maple super hard day 2 makes maple v except everyone thought maple was outed day 2 no?

in maple/benneh worlds what else is benneh meant to do there

im also vaguely aware of benneh having hellbussed before and sure i think its like baseline a good look for ppl benneh def wanted to kill but the leap to clearing slots off spew alone is another thing, idk maybe im just blind to the truth

i tried to write this in as neutral language as possible rather than the usual wild shit is ay to entertain myself hope it worked

@Gemma here's the thing

I believe that Jan didn't execute Maple last night. I was feeling that even when he was saying that he was executing Maple that he wasn't completely sold on it. I think that if Wisdom died and flipped v he would have still executed Maple, but the ladd wagon at end of day probably would indicate to Jan the following

1. Benneh is outted for that vote (have talked a bit about why this only applies to benneh and not vanta)
2. Benneh's interactions with Maple simply dont make sense as partners unless Maple has a weak role. Yes Benneh could be hellbussing but I just feel how strongly he went for Maple, both over the course of all of day two and parts of day three, as just really excessive if partners together. Like, Benneh wanted maple dead with a passion. Beyond this, Benneh was pretty into the maple push before people began saying that Maple was outted. can't quote posts rn but yeah