Tarot Mafia

[Dolby]

Oh but that's something else, right? He could have both doc'd you and killed manti? But Dolby is saying Jan only chose to target you. So he actively chose not to kill Maple.

And how does that make Maple town, again?

Holy heck my poor brain.

It makes maple probably town bc Jan claimed that if mafia, Maple would be removed from wolf chat for the night

And I think if wolves have a roleblocker they just always block Jan bc of that

[Wisdom]

But he's been acting so suuuus all game >:

[Wisdom]

It makes maple probably town bc Jan claimed that if mafia, Maple would be removed from wolf chat for the night

And I think if wolves have a roleblocker they just always block Jan bc of that

Why? Because you think wolves can't handle a night without Maple in chat?

[Wisdom]

If Benneh was roleblocker, would he have roleblocked before dying? I don't remember priority.

[Wisdom]

Not sure Benneh would sacrifice himself as a roleblocker if there's like 5+ alive pr's tho.

[Dolby]

I mean Wisdom

I think there is a very clear implication that Jan was likely to execute Maple, and it's not implausible for wolves to think that Jan was still likely to exe Maple after the ladd yeet (though it probably did help maples case). He did pretty explicitly say that he was going to execute Maple and didn't feel like he was gonna waver. Meaning that the rational thing for wolves to do is just roleblock Jan

And bc of the track I know that jan wasn't roleblocked. And it is possible that wolves didn't block Jan bc they don't have a roleblocker but I think that it's pretty town indicative for Maple

so like

I don't get what you're not getting here but the right vote today is not Wisdom

I don't what's hard to get here but maple is just not a good vote today. Or do you not want to move on to me or Knights?

[Dolby]

If Benneh was roleblocker, would he have roleblocked before dying? I don't remember priority.

think that roleblocking has to go first bc if roleblocker benneh blocks dya who's killing him I think that it's just reasonably expected the block happens

[Wisdom]

I mean Wisdom

I think there is a very clear implication that Jan was likely to execute Maple, and it's not implausible for wolves to think that Jan was still likely to exe Maple after the ladd yeet (though it probably did help maples case). He did pretty explicitly say that he was going to execute Maple and didn't feel like he was gonna waver. Meaning that the rational thing for wolves to do is just roleblock Jan

And bc of the track I know that jan wasn't roleblocked. And it is possible that wolves didn't block Jan bc they don't have a roleblocker but I think that it's pretty town indicative for Maple

so like

I don't get what you're not getting here but the right vote today is not Wisdom

I don't what's hard to get here but maple is just not a good vote today. Or do you not want to move on to me or Knights?

Unvote

I don't really know what the best vote is right now.

Why would Jan holster?

[Wisdom]

Unvote

[Wisdom]

I'm not voting you Dolby.

I'm pondering in Knights/Monte/Gemma but right now I'm so tired that I can't stop seeing double.

[Dolby]

I think that Knights is best vote for you but tbh I'm mainly there bc I feel like he's lacking (though pushing Maple as wolf KP at SOD wasn't great). I htink there's still time for him to recover but yeah

Also wouldn't be opposed to a monty vote bc from my pov he's been repping a hard wolfread on you while pushing other slots which is just weird, and doesn't feel chainsawy but it feels something adjacent? Idk. I don't like how he also pointed at me at SOD when we were both voting ladd, but I could see it as town from a perspective that he's focusing on reading me because I chose to play ball with him.

[Dolby]

I also think that I have to just be wrong on one of you/knights/monty bc I'm outright townreading everyone else but like, you three obviously aren't the team (please don't go gemma tho, I think that gemma is town and even if you disagree is just an objectively worse vote than knigths specifically)

[Wisdom]

@dyachei I'm sheeping you tell me who to vote

[grr]

to be clear, I thought it was more valuable to establish if Jan had or had not been roleblocked then finding a random action. I've been dripping TMI that Jan had been roleblocked all of today. I also considered tracking Wisdom to see if they moved last night but I don't think they explicitly stated their n2 anymore
@grr you can't really see me/maple as teammed right?

considering both of u are outed wolves i assume you're teammates unless this is multiball

[grr]

wisdom is the most lost villager i have ever seen, thats cute.

[Dolby]

considering both of u are outed wolves i assume you're teammates unless this is multiball

how do you feel about being the only one who thinks that

[grr]

monte is probs also a villager, no clue who the third one is.

[grr]

how do you feel about being the only one who thinks that

mostly amused tbh.

[theknightsofneeee]

hello friendos

i am here and reading, pls @ me if you have specific questions



I also have a new job! :D (idk why all the big life stuff is happening during this game lol)

[Wisdom]

My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

[grr]

so just to sum that up for the people in the back. I will just ping everyone with this

@dyachei
@Vanta Black
@Sunbae
@Gemma
@EnderWiggin
@insomnia
@Wisdom
@Montmorency
@theknightsofneeee

dolby on d4 claimed to be a joat who docced stett n1 (sus),
roleblocked maple n2
and tracked jan n3 (lol)

claim post here:

tracked him

I know this is an insane use of a track but I thought it would be a good proxy if Maple was alive today. Am a JOAT, used a doc on Stett N1 and roleblock on Maple N2

here d4 he claimed to have come up with the theory maple killed arctic as PGO n2:

I think I came up with the maple killed arctic with pgo theory but don't believe it anymore

think that wisdom is a wolf for posting unrelated to their claim

here is evidence from d3 that this actually happened

that makes me want to kill maple even more

might be brainrotting rn but what if Maple's PGO was real/gave immunity, and that's what killed Arctic

also gonna say, firmly believe that Rask did shoot Sheep

Bop and Stett were both probably mafia KP (assuming maf have a even night vig or something like that) if that's the case

so he claims to have targeted Maple with a Roleblock n2.

The PGO (Paranoid Gun Owner) is a role that kills people who visit them. Dolby was evidently still alive d3. And his theory was that Arctic, who also might have visited Maple, was killed by that PGO, when he had live feedback from... him not being dead, that Maple is not a PGO who activated that night.

I don't think i will explain this any further but Wisdom is a pretty obvious uninformed villa rn imo ^^

[grr]

ok bye again :3

[Dolby]

I mean IH

That I was aware of that 10 minutes ahead of the claim would indicate I would know as wolf not to fake claim going on Maple with the roleblock

I began pushing that line on Day Three to generate reactions to that and see if anyone had TMI that that WASNT the case.

the way that you're pushing this is making me reconsider you bc I kinda just decided you were town and put you to the side after that for the most part but that's a problem for tomorrow

[theknightsofneeee]

Vote: Dolby

Sorry for the rand friendo.

I think Wisdom/Gemma/Sunbae/Maaaaaybe Maple (And me ofc) look good off the spew.

Also Dya but tbh that's just a given at this point lel.

Dolby/Knights/Monty are probably the ones I feel worse about most.

And now I sleep. My 1 job of spew reading is done. =P

hmm a dolby vote here feels like a villager vote

mostly because I think if ender was a wolf they would be pushing towards myself/wisdom because we seem like the easy people to pressure today, and dolby has almost 0 pressure/won't be lynched. Feels like an independent thought. Also like the confidence.

[Dolby]

hmm a dolby vote here feels like a villager vote

mostly because I think if ender was a wolf they would be pushing towards myself/wisdom because we seem like the easy people to pressure today, and dolby has almost 0 pressure/won't be lynched. Feels like an independent thought. Also like the confidence.

Ender also just looks really good off of reading Benneh fwiw

[theknightsofneeee]

I might be in a soft difference check with mont cuz of d1 wagons (otherwise Rask wagon pure or something). I just kind of liked his posts vibe wise. Dolby I personally agree with. knights i dont see, but maybe its just cuz his posts are making me laugh, i didnt give it much consideration. top tier i am fine with.

umm, maybe I will have more interesting thoughts later in the day it's just my GTH vibes (would but gemma over ender now cause ladd seemed to feel pretty strong about it but that's about it).

this is kind of a stupid thing for me to get hung up on, but what have I said that was funny this game?

I feel like i've been pretty good natured and happy, but i don't remember making a single joke.

this read on me feels p fake

[theknightsofneeee]

My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

Why?

[theknightsofneeee]

Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

@Maple

is there anything you can say/do to convince me that jan wasn't roleblocked last night?

when do you give out your cards/abilities? are you not roleblockable?

[theknightsofneeee]

So I spent the night thinking about it and I think I have to operate under the assumption that it's possible Benneh didn't know the wolves after the lost wolf goon signal. Not necessarily certain, but it also explains a bit why he'd basically be spinning wheels in the middle ground and keeping a relatively low profile without pushing anyone overly hard. Which means I don't want to give any villager points from Benneh spew to people.

which is fine, we can just ignore the bullshit and just focus on people posting woofy to solve.

I do still think the wolves certainly knew benneh in this case after the signal so I do want to still read into spew in that direction.

So it's day 4 and I think it's usually a great idea to reset once you hit the midgame and just methodically go through the player list and reevaluate all of your reads. Just a good way to not get locked in and cover all the bases. So I'm going to do that.

Villagers

Sunbae (thats me!)
Dyachei (vig, pew pew)
Grr (locked in by like every dead villager)
Insom (voted syn d1, voted benneh to open day 2, called villager strongly by Arctic and Ladd and Bop)

Leaves me a pool to work from of:
Vanta
Gemma
Ender
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby


So I'm going to continue working through this list today. It's not finished obviously, just working through the process and figured it'd be more fun to show the process than just post a list at the end. I think I have to work from that villager list being pure.

A small note:

I do not think Knights and Gemma are paired based on eod1. Knight's responses to Gemma and Gemma voting Knights before they all pivot to Syn just doesn't strike me as paired. It's the way that Knights shades Gemma and eventually has the "do you really think I'm wolfier than (someone I forget) or syn?" post that Gemma says "no not really" or something similar before moving off. There would also be insane amounts of bussing here?

I also do not think Gemma and Wisdom are paired. But I think the threads been hammering that one so I won't explain it further.

Also, if you're wondering why I'm so concerned about the lost wolf signal from Benneh:

If benneh is a pack wolf then I think I can clear Wisdom and Ender from the way Benneh talked about them. Wisdom was an early defense with an overly long explanation post and then went after Wisdom later when possible. Then with Ender Benneh jumped on my early suspicion which is not how he'd treat a teammate or anything.

The issue is I don't know if I can actually do that. Which is why I'm quite annoyed at the signal post (good post Benneh).

all of this is super villagery from sunbae (especially the paranoia about the mafia goon soft) and i like his nuanced treatment of gemma/myself at EOD1

already had him as villager but if you sponge any of my reads lock in sunbae as villa

[Vanta Black]

@Vanta Black whyd u vote ladd

whos a villager etc

When dya swerved I thought that took a vote away from Wisdom, added one to ladd, and put ladd in the lead. But Going back over it afterwards it seems I tied it instead.

Who's a villager: I still think grr, going back and forth on dya (is my wild theory really all that wild? Because the Neb-as-lost-wolf if I'm reading it right could make it work), still really sus on Wisdom especially since she has suddenly started town-reading me.