Its that time again! Whats your favourite [Hoplite] unit?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Вы в частности Амелиус Палус. Вы являетесь слишком конфронтационными.[/IMG]

A hint that will really help you out in life: never rely too much on online translators. You can count on them to translate a single word, but not an expression. You kind of gutted the syntax there. The English word "are" translate into Russian as "являетесь", - eto pravda - that's true, but "являетесь" is not used like "are". What you should have said is "Вы слишком конфронтационными" or even drop the "Вы", as it is used in formal occasions, like "Usted" in Spanish. "Tы" is the normal form of addressing that is used in Russia. Oh, and one final note: Russian is considered a very difficult language to master, because you usually conjugate every word in the sentence, not just the verb, as it is for msot languages. There is also about 10 different conjugations for each word, and the conjugations are most often irregular. So you'll have to change your entire sentence before you sound like a true яussian!

Am I really that confrontational? Well try translating this: Amerkantsy i Anglichane slishkom lehko obizhautsa. Hehe, that's Russian written in a Latin alphabet. BTW, use Google Translate, if you aren't already; its better.

[Celtic_Punk]

Ok guys enough of the Off Topic conversation, lets keep it civil, and OT.

[Dutchhoplite]

To give my early Lusotannan army some muscle i added these. I love them :)

[Celtic_Punk]

I've used those guys a few times in my Casse campaigns, but they never really hold up that long... I guess they are better suited to a killing squad roll... Thats what ive found with the celtic hoplite-influenced regiments. They perform their best that way in my experience. till they get experience themselves atleast...

If anyone here hasn't already tried Massalians out please do, you will be amazed! without experience they wont hold their own, but once you get these babies some experience in the field they wont let you down. When I attacked Pergamon with a sub-par army, 2 units of 50 Massalians 100 spartans, 25 Samnitici Milites, and about 150 akonistai the attack failed, we got butchered when we crossed the gates, HOWEVER! our killing ratio was pretty good, more than 5:1 IIRC, I lost everysingle man in the battle but the last 3 were 2 massalians and 1 spartan. who fell in slow succession of massalian spartan massalian, the last soldier earned himself a silver chevron and proceeded to kill 17 men after his spartan friend died. Massalians earn their keep.

[Tyrfingr]

The appearence of these guys are deceiving. Though they might look dull and uneffective, they are as excellent as tying enemy soldiers down for flankers to go around, or they can be the flankers themselves.

[Anastasios Helios]

A hint that will really help you out in life: never rely too much on online translators. You can count on them to translate a single word, but not an expression. You kind of gutted the syntax there. The English word "are" translate into Russian as "являетесь", - eto pravda - that's true, but "являетесь" is not used like "are". What you should have said is "Вы слишком конфронтационными" or even drop the "Вы", as it is used in formal occasions, like "Usted" in Spanish. "Tы" is the normal form of addressing that is used in Russia. Oh, and one final note: Russian is considered a very difficult language to master, because you usually conjugate every word in the sentence, not just the verb, as it is for msot languages. There is also about 10 different conjugations for each word, and the conjugations are most often irregular. So you'll have to change your entire sentence before you sound like a true яussian!

я не люблю русский язык, написанный в латинском алфавите. я использовал "вы" с тобои, потому что я хотел быть формальным, это было более вежливо. я очень не люблю использовать родительный падеж. это очень трудный!

[Celtic_Punk]

please keep on topic... theres no reason to continue that stuff man. if you wanna talk about w/e you guys were on about, do it thru PM's not publicly on a thread that really has nothing to do with it.

[The Celtic Viking]

Seriously, this is a hoplite thread, so Celitc_Punk is looking for spearmen who fight in usually a dense formation (unless they are Syrakousaian/Massalian/reformed hoplites), have round shields/thureos and again, usually holding the spear in an overhand manner (unless being reformed hoplites). Arjos are definitely not hoplites, just elite spearmen/swordsmen. The Sabean archer-spearmen were completely off-topic as well, much more so than Arjos. Whereas the posting of Arjos could have been accidental, the posting of the archer unit was complete defiance of the thread guidelines.

If someone wants to post their favorite no-hoplite unit, they can create another "favourite unit" thread.

The unit description of the Arjos say they fight in a phalanx, ergo shieldwall, ergo hoplite-fashion. If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.

[desert]

Basically the best hoplites in the game stat-wise (identical to Epilektoi), available from the beginning, and very cheap.


On a side note, I spoke Russian much more fluently when I was three than right now.
For example, in transliterated Russian, I would say the above as "Moi russky kagda mne bilo tree gada lutshe chem shas". Terrible, isn't it? I also can't read Cyrillic.

[Aemilius Paulus]

The unit description of the Arjos say they fight in a phalanx, ergo shieldwall, ergo hoplite-fashion. If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.

Really? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that. That's funny. I remember reading the EB description about them and I do not remember anything about a phalanx mentioned there. I'll take your word for it though, I'm sure you're right.

Anyway, I didn't think my Triarii were so controversial. I mean they are almost identical copies of the Greek Classical Hoplites (not the EB unit, just old-style Greek hoplites in general). Now the Mori Gaesum I subsequently posted were arguable, but why did you say "If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos." You could have argued "If Mori Gaesum are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.", but why Triarii? Also, Celtic_Punk specifically said that we could post Triarii, which he was absolutely right to do so.

[Celtic_Punk]

fine Ajros or w/e count, they look close enough, its just teh shield thats not spot on...

[HasdrubalBarca]

axes + spears + nice armor = me like

Elite Liby-Phoenicians

[The Celtic Viking]

Really? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that. That's funny. I remember reading the EB description about them and I do not remember anything about a phalanx mentioned there. I'll take your word for it though, I'm sure you're right.

Anyway, I didn't think my Triarii were so controversial. I mean they are almost identical copies of the Greek Classical Hoplites (not the EB unit, just old-style Greek hoplites in general). Now the Mori Gaesum I subsequently posted were arguable, but why did you say "If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos." You could have argued "If Mori Gaesum are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.", but why Triarii? Also, Celtic_Punk specifically said that we could post Triarii, which he was absolutely right to do so.

I chose Triarii exactly because CP said they were allowed. I don't find anything wrong with that, but if they're in, I don't think it's right to exclude the Arjos, Mori Gaesom or any other unit that fight like the hoplites.

Regarding the difference in shield, notice how the K-H Hoplitai have different shields as well - yet they still counts as hoplitai, do they not?

[Celtic_Punk]

well thats because they are updated hoplites, invented by the people who invented hoplites.

but you must draw the line somewhere.. . The celt-hellenic hoplites and arjos are where i will

[gamegeek2]

'Nuff said. If you're talking real Hoplitai, the Keltohellenikoi are the way to go.

FYI, Massaliotai use the same model as Hypaspistai. Just look at them.

[Maion Maroneios]

Hey, I didn't know we could pick hoplite-like units... Then I'd have picked the Hypaspistai as well :P Anyway, what is going on here, are we turning this to a English-Russian thread or something? Not wanting to sound offensive in any way, mind you. Just asking, as I could start typing Greek for instance but don't know if it would be that well-recieved

Maion

[Ibrahim]

I'll give the Persianate heavy shield-bearers their plight:




Paired with hard-hitting cavalry, these guys, when properly deployed serve not only as solid line-infantry but also as bait. I shouldn't even mention it, but they look totally sweet too.

Someone please give me a lip about these not being "hoplites". I'm begging for it. Literally.

I'd have to agree with the shipri tukul in this one. I dunno about the rest, I never used them.

[Intranetusa]

I'd have to agree with the shipri tukul in this one. I dunno about the rest, I never used them.

I absolutely love those Persian-mercenaries with the coat of plate armor and the spear + mace.

IMO, they are the epitome of the standard mercenary unit. Same goes for Messlinian hoplites with the spear + sword.

Maybe it's because they have a spear and a backup weapon and they're equally good in both...making them good against both infantry and cavalry.

Jack of all trade mercs ftw. :D

[penguinking]

Persian hoplites are quite good. I use them as my basic infantry in my Hayasdan campaign, and they've proved quite effective. They're versatile and can defeat many different types of units, have pretty good armor plus high morale. All this makes them excellent at holding a line.

[Anastasios Helios]

Hey, I didn't know we could pick hoplite-like units... Then I'd have picked the Hypaspistai as well :P Anyway, what is going on here, are we turning this to a English-Russian thread or something? Not wanting to sound offensive in any way, mind you. Just asking, as I could start typing Greek for instance but don't know if it would be that well-recieved

Maion

Μπορώ να μιλήσω ελληνικά λίγο. Είναι η αγαπημένη μου γλώσσα!

[Celtic_Punk]

I find the best Tactic for hoplites(the job is best done by Classical hoplites, or one's fighting in that fashion) is 1 or 2 Phalangites in the middle, with Classical hoplites (job best performed by spartans haroo!) on their flanks, at least 2 on each, and then to top it off 1 Massallian hoplite on each of those flanks. Missiles behind the phalanx, usually akonistai flanked with Peltastai, and maybe a unit of archers or slingers. Cavalry or (in my case because KH cavalry is left to be desired) some sort of exellent infantry to serve as flankers, such as men with falxes.
mmmmm falxes! hacked limbs mmmmmm

[The Celtic Viking]

well thats because they are updated hoplites, invented by the people who invented hoplites.

but you must draw the line somewhere.. . The celt-hellenic hoplites and arjos are where i will

The keltohellenikoi hoplitai are, to paraphrase the unit description, "Celts fighting in Celtic manner". They're not updated hoplites, and they were not "invented by the people who invented hoplites". They're Celts influenced by Hellenic culture.

Of course you must draw a line somewhere, but it can't be arbitrary. Either what shield you have matters, or it does not. It can't matter for one unit, but not for another.

[Celtic_Punk]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

[Ibrahim]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

ekdromoi or iphikratous?

[gamegeek2]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

I suppose they're more popular among the female population of the people they conquer.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I suppose they're more popular among the female population of the people they conquer.

Huh? Can you explain?

[Pontius Pilate]

Huh? Can you explain?

um, well you see...it is kind of hard to explain...

[Ibrahim]

Huh? Can you explain?

think metaphorically.

[Hax]

Artashtar Kardakan are horrible. Really, they fail hard..or so they did in my Hay campaign.

[Andronikos]

I really like the Indohelenikoi ones. They are the best looking unit in the east, not to mention one of the strongest infantry there. The blue and gold combination and the ichtyocentaur - simply awesome. So my vote here.

There are other good - greek general, hypaspistai, it is hard to choose one, because this cathegory contains some of the most effective and beautiful units.

The 2nd and 3rd persian hoplite belongs to Hayasdan and Eleutheroi, the first one is Pahlavan (I consider this one as the black sheep, the rest two are nice, but this one's face with huge ears - what is it? Some deity or just a face?)