Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
Well seeming Israel hasn't even attempted to negotiate with hamas since it came to power it's worth a try. I don't see you or any of the other biased Israeli supporters offering better opinions other than bomb the c**p out of Gaza and perform a complete wipe out what infrastructure that it has left. Israel has performed it's little political stunt, enough people have died, this isn't war, this is a cowards political game.

I'm saying give Gaza the chance to actually work as a functioning part of a Palestinian country. Lift sanctions so it can trade and actually start to take steps towards becoming something that remotely resembles a county, not a hell hole. If Hamas, after giving the chance to build a country and being allowed the resources to do so still continue to attack Israel then I, staunch opposition of any conflict at the best of times wouldn't even have a qualm with Israel defending itself.

Look, you need to understand you have to actually sit down and negotiate with supposed "terrorists" I can tell you after watching 20 years or so of bloody IRA,UDA and other paramilitary attacks in Northern Ireland,watching the bombing of civilians and so on that firing back gets you no where, you can fire back all you want but at the end of the day you can't kill ideology. If talks can some how be established between the two then your half way there.

This is from watching the trouble in northern Ireland and let me tell you, no matter how many IRA members elite SAS hit squads killed the movement itself couldn't be killed. What you don't realise is by attacking Gaza like this you've committed your own bloody Sunday. And believe me that's going to cost you dearly.
Why should a nation state negotiate with a terrorist group that doesn't recognise its right to exist and whose main aim is to push it into the sea? The IRA wanted the British out of ireland, not an end to the UK itself and the level of threat they represented was minimal compared to that faced by israel.

I'm saying stop the rockets, stop the terrorism and i would give you an opportunity to see if you can govern a polity.

You can discredit an ideology by demonstrating its enduring failure to achieve its ends, at which point you negotiate from a position of strength. I too watched NI, however i have come to a different conclusion to you.

The process is called infiltration and subversion, and yes it does involve more than SAS squads capping terrorists, and it does work.