Re: Gaza again
What I think he fails to consider is that his proposed solution has been attempted at various points in the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s, and each and every time, Israel's foes have used such period of magnamity to redouble the efforts against them.
Do you think the IRA dropped thier weapons the moment we started trying to make peace ?
You even said the other day you believed the real IRA was under the control of the IRA (i would disagree slightly, it was probably controlled by extreme elements of the IRA) the real IRA kept up attacks for years whilst britian was trying to make peace, if we had gone in there guns blazing we would have just set the whole thing back a few decades... hell they even did a huge bank robbery like a year or so back... this is years after peace had been made, its a long hard road, much easier to go in guns blazing and please the crowds baying for blood
What i think really helped with Britian is that the issue wasn't considered as important as it is in Israel, so we didn't have politicians being 'strong leaders' in an attempt to win votes the same way they can in Israel, this allowed leaders to work on solving the issues rather than simply posturing for the masses..
I honestly don't know if the pervasive European thought is that Europeans don't believe the pan-Islamic world when they say their ultimate goal is to eliminate Israel and Jews in the Middle East
Extreme situations cause extreme reactions, it is the same all over the world, if your taking outside of area's israel directly effects (like palestine and lebanon) then im sure the general population gets less and less anti-semitic, sure there are still some bad feelings, in the same way anti-muslim racism over here increased expotentially when we had muslims suicide bomb us, anti-semitic racism increase across the middle east everytime Israel attacks muslims, if it happens to the extent it does in a rich and educated country like britian then you can only imagine how much more it would affect the uneducated, oppressed people living in poverty.
or you're content with that as a final result yourselves.
yeah europeans hates jews and americans hate muslims... couldn't be anything to do with differing points of view...
All I know is I find it utterly amazing that Hamas fires rockets into Israel in direct violation of the most recently established ceasefire and the most popular European response is that Israel was to blame
You know whats even more amazing, logical intelligent people like yourself supporting israel trying the same failed plan repeatedly, why not turn around and say wait a second... this isn't working... maybe we need to try something else ?
I didn't actually mention the current event in my post, i was just generally giving my view on the conflict as a whole and criticising the repeated attempts at a failed strategy, infact thats what i noticed myself tribesman and a few others doing.
followed with condemnation of Israel for suggesting that they might do ANYTHING to prevent future
attacks.
I would love it if Israel actually did something to prevent future attacks, unfortunately all they seem to want to do is encourage them, the moment Israel engages in actual attempts to stop terrorism i will be full of praise!
I don't know anything about these issues.
I think thats the first time you have ever made anything close to approaching sense
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