USS Constitution?

[Mailman653]

I wonder how the unit will differ from a ship of the line. What would motivate me to build the ship if its available when I can equally build a triple decked ship with more firepower.

And where does it say the ship is a special pre-order thing? Cause I've seen this story about the special unit for quite some time.

[Zoring]

Also we can rename everything so

1st Rate 3 Deck ship

type type type

USS Constitution.

Ta da!

[ScipioAfricanus]

I wonder how the unit will differ from a ship of the line. What would motivate me to build the ship if its available when I can equally build a triple decked ship with more firepower.

Mailman, could it have something to do with the timing of when it's available in the game, specifically for the Americans? Maybe it's one of those things where the better ships aren't available for the Americans early in the game but then the Constitution eventually becomes obsolete.

And where does it say the ship is a special pre-order thing? Cause I've seen this story about the special unit for quite some time.

Not special pre-order but exclusive to certain retailers, like BB. In my post you'll see that it says "the U.S.S. Constitution is available as an in-game download when E:TW is pre-ordered or purchased from Best Buy." I looked at Gamestop just now and they don't show it, didn't see it on the Amazon listing either. It's really hard to tell what the picture shows on the BB website but there is something in the upper right-hand corner that I didn't see in the package pictures on other sites.

On the page linked below CA/Sega show it under Pre Order a Box Copy in Retail but further inspection shows that it doesn't have to be pre-ordered from them, as in the quote in my last paragraph.

A Google search showed that Play.com is supposed to have the exclusive in the UK. I actually noticed that when I was searching for retailers that were carrying the download in general to see if there were any other US retailers.

Source: http://www.totalwar.com/empire/gameinfo/pre_order.php

[Fisherking]

@NimitsTexan

All that I have seen says that Play.com has exclusive rights to the ship.

All I can suggest is to call and ask about the shipping. I asked the question when I first saw it, why a UK company had the rights to her…

@Mailman653

The American 44s were fast and heavily built. They are expellant raiders and can out run almost any ship at sea.

One of the 44s caught and captured the fastest ship in the French Navy (and the French had the best ships built in Europe at the time) If there were a faster ship, say in the British Navy, it was surely captured from the French.

Cost and need dictate what ships you build. If you think you have the money and time to build a navy that can rule the sea then you go for the Ship of the Line type. If you have to be a stealthy raider you build squadrons of frigates to hit weaker ships and run from the big boys.

[Husar]

The USS Constitution is the Play.com exclusive unit so you will just get it from Play.com because that is what exclusive deals are about, if you order the special forces edition from Play.com you will get the special forces extra units and the Play.com exclusive USS Constitution.

[NimitsTexan]

The USS Constitution is the Play.com exclusive unit so you will just get it from Play.com because that is what exclusive deals are about, if you order the special forces edition from Play.com you will get the special forces extra units and the Play.com exclusive USS Constitution.

As a "Yank," I don't believe Play.com is an option . . . which is bugging me. USS Constitution is my favorite ship of all time; it should not be a UK/EU exclusive . . .

[ScipioAfricanus]

As a "Yank," I don't believe Play.com is an option . . . which is bugging me. USS Constitution is my favorite ship of all time; it should not be a UK/EU exclusive . . .

@NimitsTexan

The US answer for the Constitution is Best Buy. The UK (and possibly Europe) answer for the Constitution is Play.com. There is another exclusive unit available in the UK (and Europe?) called the Death's Head Hussars that is available from Game. Amazon UK is supposed to have an exclusive unit as well but I didn't see it listed what it is. That makes me wonder if Amazon US has an exclusive unit.


The Special Forces Edition is supposed to have six additional units. I'm guessing that these are the same units if the game is purchased through Steam or through retail (Best Buy, Amazon, Play.com, etc.) for the SF edition.:

1) HMS Victory
2) Rogers' Rangers
3) Ottoman Organ Gun
4) Ghoorkas
5) Corso Terrestre Guerillas
6) Bulkeley's Regiment

Source: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/1281/

[Sir Beane]

@NimitsTexan

The US answer for the Constitution is Best Buy. The UK (and possibly Europe) answer for the Constitution is Play.com. There is another exclusive unit available in the UK (and Europe?) called the Death's Head Hussars that is available from Game. Amazon UK is supposed to have an exclusive unit as well but I didn't see it listed what it is. That makes me wonder if Amazon US has an exclusive unit.


The Special Forces Edition is supposed to have six additional units. I'm guessing that these are the same units if the game is purchased through Steam or through retail (Best Buy, Amazon, Play.com, etc.) for the SF edition.:

1) HMS Victory
2) Rogers' Rangers
3) Ottoman Organ Gun
4) Ghoorkas
5) Corso Terrestre Guerillas
6) Bulkeley's Regiment

Source: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/1281/

Amazon's special unit is the Dahomey Amazons. A female musket unit, probably skirmishers.

[Fisherking]

Here are the exclusive units:


3 pre order units

USS Constitution: this unit is available when playing as the USA and your technology has sufficiently advanced. It may also be captured by opposing factions.

Death’s Head Hussars: this unit is available when playing as Prussia and your technology has sufficiently advanced. Prussia must also hold Brandenburg.

Dahomey Amazons: this unit is available when holding territory in North Africa.

http://www.totalwar.com/empire/gamei....php#aanswer_4


I hope all you North Americans have access to Old Ironsides.

I would get more of a conformation than what another site has to say. Call the Company. I do hope it is available from Best Buy but you best make sure.

Otherwise see what the shipping is from Play. There is no shipping fee in the UK or Europe from them. I don‘t remember if they sell world wide.

[ScipioAfricanus]

I hope all you North Americans have access to Old Ironsides.

I would get more of a conformation than what another site has to say. Call the Company. I do hope it is available from Best Buy but you best make sure.

@Fisherking

I'm about 90% sure based on the Best Buy websites. Both the US and Canadian sites have the same box cover pictured and in the upper right it has what looks like a ship: US Best Buy E:TW. It can be seen a little better on the Canadian BB site but not much (they have an image that is a bit larger).

If I get a chance I'll run by BB today to see if they have any information about it. It's better to see it for oneself than to ask people that work there, or at least that's the case with the local BB store.

Otherwise see what the shipping is from Play. There is no shipping fee in the UK or Europe from them. I don‘t remember if they sell world wide.

Apparently Play doesn't deliver to the US, not surprising really with Amazon, Best Buy and other options available here. It does look cheaper at Play if I did the conversion correctly but it doesn't look like BB has marked any off yet, which I would think might change by the time that it's released although I don't remember that being the case with M2:TW. Play is showing it for £29.99, which seems to be about $43.25 (US) or close to $7 cheaper than BB. Those numbers are of course for the regular edition while the SF edition is about $20 more.

I haven't seen any mention of the Dahomey Amazons being included. Was that on the UK Amazon site? Notice on that link that it mentions E:TW under Popular Culture.

[Freedom Onanist]

@NimitsTexan The American 44s were fast and heavily built. They are expellant raiders and can out run almost any ship at sea.

One of the 44s caught and captured the fastest ship in the French Navy (and the French had the best ships built in Europe at the time) If there were a faster ship, say in the British Navy, it was surely captured from the French.

Cost and need dictate what ships you build. If you think you have the money and time to build a navy that can rule the sea then you go for the Ship of the Line type. If you have to be a stealthy raider you build squadrons of frigates to hit weaker ships and run from the big boys.

Yep,it was wellknownintheBritishnavythatthe best sailors were French ships. Probably not down to an inaiity to build good ships in the UK,just that the numbers built tended to average down the quality.

As Fisherking says, it must depend on your resources and tatics. Surely not only can you build a 3 decker but other factions can build 44s too. Which the British belatedly did. There's got to be somethingmore to the USS Constitution.

[scipiosgoblin]

As Fisherking says, it must depend on your resources and tatics. Surely not only can you build a 3 decker but other factions can build 44s too. Which the British belatedly did. There's got to be somethingmore to the USS Constitution.

In reality, USS Constitution was a well handled, rapid firing frigate that helped to destroy the Barbary Pirates. Later she fought and won a frigate dual against HMS Serapis.

Because Constitution was so handy and well handled, she was able to do to the Serapis what the French hand been trying to do for years. Namely, she outmaneuvered the Serapis and shot away the rigging on the British ship. By the time Constitution came alongside to board, Serapis was helplessly dismasted. Her Captain eventually struck colors and surrendered Serapis who later that day burned to the waterline and sank.

Constitution proved that an American ship and crew could outfight the British Navy at sea.

SG

[Greyblades]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

[Barkhorn1x]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

Correct, he's thinking of the HMS Guerriere.

On US Navy vs. Royal Navy in the War of 1812:
The quality of US crews was, on average, much higher than that of the Royal Navy during the war - due to a combination of higher pay and better living conditions as compared to the US merchant marine. But the primary reason was size. The US fleet numbered in the dozens, the Royal Navy had hundreds. The US Navy had the luxury of picking their crews from an overabundance of applicants. The Royal navy had major issues crewing their ships (perhaps you lot shouldn't have flogged quite so much ) and took whoever they could (literally) get their hands on.

[Greyblades]

Correct, he's thinking of the HMS Guerriere.

On US Navy vs. Royal Navy in the War of 1812:
The quality of US crews was, on average, much higher than that of the Royal Navy during the war - due to a combination of higher pay and better living conditions as compared to the US merchant marine. But the primary reason was size. The US fleet numbered in the dozens, the Royal Navy had hundreds. The US Navy had the luxury of picking their crews from an overabundance of applicants. The Royal navy had major issues crewing their ships (perhaps you lot shouldn't have flogged quite so much ) and took whoever they could (literally) get their hands on.

If I remember reading rightly we were thrashing the Americans in the naval front until the French got involved. And even then it was a mixtures of successes and failures.
Also, when did we get a reputaion for flogging our sailors?

[scipiosgoblin]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

Absolutely correct. It was Guerriere. I always get those two mixed up in my head. Guerriere was a French built 38 gun frigate captured by HMS Blanche. She was bought by the Royal Navy.

Sorry about that.

As for Bonhomme Richard, she was a scow and only the insanity ... I mean bravery of her captain allowed her to capture Serapis.

SG

[Greyblades]

Insane as in setting fire to his own ship to get a 5th rate?

...I wonder if that could be an option in the game; the ability to set any ship on fire in an effort to take the enemy with you? Somehow i doubt that there were any ships built specificaly to set on fire so it may be posible.

Random thought: maybe someone should make a smiley specificaly to say "please EA"