Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
At the moment we have full control over this decision. Follow American policy or not. Under EU we would have control of less than a twentieth of actual policy making rather than full control over whether to follow a bigger countrys policy...
You know full well that isn't the case.

Its not a say in America's decisions i want, though we could much more easily persuade them to our views as a unified nation, or at the very least not be small states swayed easily by the much bigger states (USA or in future China)
You don't have to be swayed, controlled, or unified.

So when you said "making us all the same is not a con ?" in response to medilil's pro EU post you didn't actually mean that a single european goverment would make us all the same ?
People aren't the same. I don't want to run the risk of us becoming the same.

Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
Troops do visit America but there are no foreign bases on American soil. So my point still stands.
There are no bases as such, but there are foreign installations and forces stationed in America (by the way, America only has bases in 39 nations, not the 130 that you claimed).

Also, who will defend them from America? For some-one who apparently dislikes the idea of outsider control, you have no problems with foreign military bases all over your country.
I'm not actually a fan of the bases, but they don't intrude on our sovereignty because they are there on our perogative.

You mean the treaty which is basically controlled by America, which was created against the threat of the USSR? I see much resistance there from the American Satellite club.
Doesn't change the fact that we are in NATO out of our own free will. And America still doesn't dictate our foreign policy.

It is a puppet, it is pretty much a well known fact, hell, it's been in our own media enough times the cartoons of Blair and Bush for example. Blair will got the lapdog award from Bush himself.
Blair is not Britain. Britain had the choice to make.

You're ignoring the point. Britain has the sole and complete choice to make where it wants to go with foreign policy. Whether Britain wants to go with America or not is entirely Britain's decision. If Britain follows, it follows - but it was Britain's decision to follow if it did. In the EU, Britain simply wouldn't have this choice.