Hoplitai too weak ?

[Knight of Heaven]

1) Phalangites are supposed to beat Hoplitai
2) Hoplitai are way more flexible than phalangites
3) Hoplitai in guard mode are tanks and can withstand a pike phalanx forever
4) Hoplitai are very cost effective
5) Hoplitai have excellent defense and morale
6) They are not made to withstand heavy/elite/AP infantry
7) Spartiatai and Epilektoi are expensive because they are elite hoplites
8) The phalanx formation has a very specific role: Break the enemy through attrition, not kill them fast

Maion

They are just very good for what they supose to do, in my KH campaing i beat makedonia and èpirus , parcialy only with those haploi, they are very good against any cav, even bodyguard. of course they are levies, but i got some experienced units, mainly my army was composed by generals archers and slingers and hoplitai haploi, and i beat phalanx, is easy actualy just hold the line with the generals and flank then with haploi. Offcourse when i get the chance to recruit hoplitais, i did, and indeed they are tanks if you got at least 4, 5,6 of those you got your self a line who could hold everything. i love those guys actualy, cost efective an very reliable, even against archers.

Hoplitais are in my opinion too weak. They dont have any chance to win against a phalanx, they dont have any chance to win against heavy infantery and normal hoplitais are way more expensiver. Especially the spartan and armored elite one. I know that spears should be weak against sword and shield units but i thougth that hoplitais are effectiv against such melee combat units because of their phalanx formation.

Spartans where special indeed as well their society, very simillar and very diferent in manny ways,compared to other greek societies. And at this time(eb time frame) they were in decline, their empire and their power over the other city states was long gone, still i think Eb is very historical in that issue, spartans at that time were very kowned, and had a great reputation. And if you use spartans in EB after a while they get experience, then they will become exelent units.

If you want to have ivencible spartans then i sugest to play SPQR mod, you ill get spartans who never rout,and fight to the death they are a pain in the asse, in battle you have to kill then all to win.Offcourse the mod is made for a roman campaing not greek one.