PvP movement system for the first Civil War

[OverKnight]

They should be allowed to attack enemy AI armies in their territory, however, as that's just normal self-defence.

Let me refine my position: If a player led army wants to engage an AI army in the example Igno gave, I think they should have to drop out of the PVP movement mechanics for the turn that the attack takes place. IE No doubled speed or anything like that.

The increased speed in PVP is meant to expedite and make possible civil war, not enhance our chances against the AI. In fact, I think the increased vulnerability to foreign invasion is one of the more effective brakes on PVP.

[AussieGiant]

Let me refine my position: If a player led army wants to engage an AI army in the example Igno gave, I think they should have to drop out of the PVP movement mechanics for the turn that the attack takes place. IE No doubled speed or anything like that.

The increased speed in PVP is meant to expedite and make possible civil war, not enhance our chances against the AI. In fact, I think the increased vulnerability to foreign invasion is one of the more effective brakes on PVP.

I really hope we don't have to explain that in the rules. Common sense dictates you can't use PvP rule to take advantage of the "normal" game.

Firing Squad is the only plausible option for the GM in this situation.

Don't go all American law on us guy's. We can't write down every single option and alternatives. There is a meaning to the rules and the GM should be given the scope to govern them.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Don't go all American law on us guy's. We can't write down every single option and alternatives. There is a meaning to the rules and the GM should be given the scope to govern them.

You mean American laws like these in California?

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No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.

Nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool.

You are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you already own at least two cows.

Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.

[TinCow]

You mean American laws like these in California?

Hey! Some of those are valid laws.

No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

California has several programs that are experimenting with driverless cars. The term vehicle is also broad and would apply to driverless trains (i.e. airport monorails) and other such things.

It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.

A fishing vessel is a vehicle. If the above wasn't included, the law would ban whaling. We'll ignore the fact that whaling is illegal anyway...

Nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool.

This is aimed at people who use empty swimming pools as artificial half-pipes and such.

You are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you already own at least two cows.

OK, this is absurd.

Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.

This is a zoning law that restricts farms and animal breeding facilities to keep them away from places of public gathering. Sensible for sanitary, visual, and olfactory reasons.

[AussieGiant]

Good lord TC, you are scary

I LOVE IT!!

[TinCow]

Good lord TC, you are scary

I LOVE IT!!

It requires training. My current job covers adjudication of cases that fall under Veterans Benefits laws, as codified in 38 USC and 38 CFR, supplemented by a moderate amount of case law. Browse through one of those sets of regs, down to the actual text, and you'll see the stuff I write about 20 pages on every single day of the week. When you do stuff like that for a living, you get used to interpreting legalese. The tough part is actually the medical side of my job, because I have to interpret what doctors are saying, which is nigh on impossible. Those guys have a language that is far more difficult for an outsider to understand than legalese, none of them have good handwriting, most can't write or spell if their life depended on it, and they abbreviate everything. This book is standard issue to all attorneys in my office, and we would be lost without it. You don't know what the word incomprehensible means until you've tried to read a medical report written in shorthand in 1943 by a doctor who was treating wounded soldiers in some rain-soaked jungle in the Pacific.

[econ21]

Ok, the poll has closed, so we wil be using a Risk type system for the first civil war.

TC has drafted some rules for this system in this post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=52

They need a word or two about naval movement, then perhaps Zim could integrate them into the draft rules.

The only other PvP issue I think we need to resolve is recruitment during a civil war. Currently, the draft rules treat that just like peacetime recruitment, which arguably cripples the side without a friendly Seneschal or ex-Seneschal. We've been discussing ways to balance that in the PvP mechanics brainstorming thread and should have one or more alternatives that can be presented to Zim, and perhaps a vote, in a day or two.

[TinCow]

Don't go all American law on us guy's. We can't write down every single option and alternatives.

Hey, having incomprehensible laws that are incredibly long and complex keeps me employed!

[Zim]

Plus, how else will we make up for our short Constitution?

Hey, having incomprehensible laws that are incredibly long and complex keeps me employed!