I can finally pollute just by sitting on my couch, hooray!Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I was getting tired of having to burn plastic stuff in my backyard.
The old joke may become true, we will be taxed for the very air we breathe.
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I can finally pollute just by sitting on my couch, hooray!
The old joke may become true, we will be taxed for the very air we breathe.
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The amount of extra pollution from their jets and limo's and such is tiny compared to the proposals they will be discussing. I don't think it will be significant.
So the only problem is if they are the "every little bit helps, don't wash your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher, use scissors instead of a lawnmower, be more green everyday" types.
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It is a grand conspiracy by pinko-communist liberal agenda so they control us to the point we have to buy Carbon Credits just to breath.It is my personal right in the Consitution to climb into my Humvee to mow down young children and pump noxtious gases into the atomsphere simply to drive around the corner to the Kiwi-mart for a pint of milk.
What do they think they are, telling me I should use "hydrogen" fuel cells as a car like some limp-wristed pink tie wearing liberal, it is my the almighty given right to decimate the enviroment as I see fit and drive a real mans car while pedestrians choke on my fumes.
Alternative power, ppstfff, who cares about alternative power when I want to be knee deep in crude oil and greased up to my elbows like a real manly man raking in the money with my Oil stock shares and prices skyrocketing. I laugh in your face that apparently the skeptics are heavily funded by Oil tycoons, they are not doing it for the money, they just want to slap your liberal backsides big style so you can cry to your mommy and nannystate.
Don't get me started on those fancydancy 'intellectuals' and all their phds. PHD don't mean nothing other than Pinko-Here-DoctoringReports. All theirs 'theories' and 'experiments' don't mean anything, I have a theory, and that is that we should stick all their theories where the sun don't shine, then the world would be a far better place.
Damn, you beat me to it, I was posting that while you posted yours.
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using my excellent emotional intelligence*, i've detected a much greater degree of distress in you recently Beskar.
you used to be much 'cooler' with your mild lefty'ism, yet for some reason it has become much more strident and desperate of late, why is this?
* in fact i have none, i'm frequently told i need to at least try and get in touch with my feminine side, and recognise that i am largely incapable of empathising.
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Humans exhale CO2. Humans need to eat more for physical excersize. So cycling causes pollution too. Probably more than getting an efficient electric source up and running.
Aye, and served with caviar and free sex too!
The way to win over the right is to name the places who's oil-bitch we are: Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Saudi-Arabia.
Get in yer hummer and support Chavez and terrorism.
Reduction of dependency on fossil fuel is not a leftwing issue.
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indeed not.
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Might I suggest, gotomeeting.com . Save the taxpayer's money & reduce their carbon foot print.
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I'm just as unsure about global warming as I was 6 months ago. I just get riled up when politicians do something that's mostly symbolic in nature and present it as evidence that they're working hard on it. But on the other hand, this conference will definitely show that the world leaders are absolutely determined to set non-binding goals for themselves that will only not-bind the successors to their respective offices
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I started to agree with Thatcher and my self-denial is tearing me apart. Nah, the post was just highly sarcastic and it was trying to paint the picture that maybe majority of the arguments of Climate Skepticism just reek of politicalisation and some really crude views.
While there could be debates to the effects and the figures, there are major things that need to occur anyway, regardless, so it doesn't even bother me that much. The fact is, we are going to run out of Oil, so switching to alternative sources even now would be a good idea, it would also keep oil prices lower, due to lower demand.
Also, through various methods and ways, alternative methods would also bring in independent energy security to various nations. I am not sure about you Furunculus at times, but I bet you agree that you don't want Russia dominating the energy supply of Europe and the British Isles. (or the Middle East being the supplier of our energy needs)
Recycling is also another issue, through recycling, we could again reuse vast amounts of resources which otherwise would end up in the bottom of the ocean or in a hole in the ground, and for many materials, recycling is also far cheaper than getting it from new. There are also various safety hazards and other things related to landfill sites, and other various issues which could go on for pages, but I think we can agree here.
There are a lot of issues and things under the whole Global Enviroment agenda which really do need to be done, or really considered to be done. While there are some things I disagree with (such as Carbon Credits) and other issues, they are pretty much second priority compared to what I just listed which would obviously deal with those secondary issues at the same time.
Majority of angry replies about Global Skepticism, goes into many issues such as "Change", people dislike it, even if it is for the better. Then there are narrow-minded views as people cannot conceptualise the problems, thus they just simply dismiss it. Then there is the "we have an axe to grind" who simply just grinds axes on the next thing. Then there are the obviously millionaire and billionaire examples where the whole Climate Change issue means they lose money from their Oligarch oil investments.
As for any personal distress, might be subconsciously venting some distress over deadlines.
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You would think so, with the huge amount of politicisation. (usually associated with how Oil Rich Billionaires support Conservativism.)The way to win over the right is to name the places who's oil-bitch we are: Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Saudi-Arabia.
Get in yer hummer and support Chavez and terrorism.
Reduction of dependency on fossil fuel is not a leftwing issue.
[Also, curse you for mentioning about those places before my post, it makes it look like I stole it from you while I was writing my wall-of-text. Evil Louis]
Join the.. Left-Side...
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Want to bet on that? Let's take Canada as an example. Which party got the most donations from corporations, and which party outlawed donations from corporations and unions? I love it though, when a billionaire supports a conservative party he is an evil and shadowy figure oppressing the masses, but when he supports a green or left-wing party (often the same thing) he is a good and charitable man.
EDIT: Back on topic. I haven't believed in manmade global warming for years. This has done nothing to improve my faith in it.
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Soros
Most of the Global Warming folks are mostly Reds that are using the cause of enviromentalism to promote their Marxist ideology and finacial programs. The collapse of the Soviet Union started the Green movement because all the commies needed something to latch onto. Now we have a Marxist in the White House along with a large ignorant mass of individauls that are easily swayed by promised of "hope" and "change" and a protion of the treasury. All of us will be begging for the scraps off the table of these world "leaders" sooner than you think. Many of the lefties here actually believe that it will be a great day when we all become Cuba on steroids. You are fools and you've allowed your own false guilt and envy to destroy inovations and the quality of life through advancement in the Western Capitalist mindset. Thanks alot.
RIP Tosa
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LOL, what? Obama is far from Marxist for a start, the rest says very little.
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Though you miss out where conservative party policy is to oppress the masses, while left-wing policy is liberating them, or distributing wealth to help all in the greater good. But those details seem to go unmentioned.
Examples:
Right = Monarchy, Patriot Act, Wage Slavery and various oppression.
Left = Universal Healthcare, Minimum Wage, Suffrage and various other things.
And you wonder why?
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So the Reds turned Green. That is so Christmasy.If I understand you Dave, you are saying the Claus remains the same?
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Yup, he's a commie, along with his comrade Rudolf. "Red" nosed reindeer? Come on!!!So the Reds turned Green. That is so Christmasy.
RIP Tosa
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Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala, China with its political executions. Nope, I'll stay conservative.Though you miss out where conservative party policy is to oppress the masses, while left-wing policy is liberating them, or distributing wealth to help all in the greater good. But those details seem to go unmentioned.
Examples:
Right = Monarchy, Patriot Act, Wage Slavery and various oppression.
Left = Universal Healthcare, Minimum Wage, Suffrage and various other things.
And you wonder why?
RIP Tosa
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Beskar, you remind me of this song I love by the Dead Kennedys...
"Holiday In Cambodia"
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The United States, with its torture of political enemies!
Oh, wait..did I just? Nevermind.
EDIT: On a serious note (I don't want to get all spammy), I don't see what's wrong exactly with taking care of the nature around you. I mean, it's our problem in the end. It's something we created. Even although the message of the environmentalist elite might be false, the thought of taking care of your immediate surrounding with respect is something in which I only see benefits. The major problem, of course, is the idea that we can keep consuming without taking notice of the consequences.
The way we are currently handling natural resources, specificially oil is a way that is bound to lead to socio-economical disaster, especially in the countries where people spend the most and consume the most: currently this is western Europe, the northern part of the American continent, as well as Japan and South Korea.
These are the countries which all happen to be under the economical hegemony, as a matter of fact, of the United States. Note that I clearly state economical hegemony; this is clearly visible in the streets. Right now, Capitalism has triumphed.
The thing is, I don't think this is the proper way to handle our climate; and even for a complete egoïst, what will happen is clear: we'll run out of oil, and sooner than we'd like, I think. Therefore, not only climatologically, but socially and economically, we need to make progress towards a Green future.
The current emissions of carbondioxide are an economical and a social plague. Nobody likes the smell of a car (I like the smell of gasoline, though). Nobody wants to live in a filthy environment that is devoid of any sort of natural life, save for the sole humans fighting their way through the smog, hurrying home. How far would we go into consuming our earth, mercilessly utilising its rivers, plains, wetlands, steppes, mountains and forests until there is nothing left? And then what? Move to another galaxy? Perhaps...but we'd proceed our seemingly continuous rape of the natural world until those resources run out as well.
Consuming like this will, in the end, only lead to self-destruction. What might be worse than that is the fact that we do not only destroy ourselves, but also everything that comes into contact with us.
Oil will run out. When will it run out? Soon.
Wind, water and solar power will run out. When will it run out? Not so soon.
I might even refer to nuclear power, but that's not something for this thread.
~Hax, feeling extraordinarily hippie-like today
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State something inaccurate? Yeah.
I am a conservationist, and in favour of protecting our natural areas and resources. I am not in favour of politicians and movie stars trying to sell me such a massive lie, and especially not when they themselves are hypocrites. When they start to use it as an excuse to push internationalism and control, they've crossed the line.EDIT: On a serious note (I don't want to get all spammy), I don't see what's wrong exactly with taking care of the nature around you. I mean, it's our problem in the end. It's something we created. Even although the message of the environmentalist elite might be false, the thought of taking care of your immediate surrounding with respect is something in which I only see benefits. The major problem, of course, is the idea that we can keep consuming without taking notice of the consequences.
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Somebody else missed out on some definitions. Terrorists, not political enemies. Political enemies implies they were guilty of thoughtcrime, not setting IEDs.
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There were enough people in Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib that were affiliated with neither Al-Qaeda nor the Taliban. An example. If you want, I can get you more in the morning!
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Which means absolutely nothing, due to the amount of terrorist groups operating in Iraq.
Even if that is true, I don't see evidence supporting that he was a political prisoner, rather than just an innocent man being unjustly tortured.An example. If you want, I can get you more in the morning!
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Therefore, not only climatologically, but socially and economically, we need to make progress towards a Green future.So you would vote for McCain?McCain has said he would work to reduce carbon emissions 60 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. He has said he would commit $2 billion annually for 15 years to advance clean coal technology.
He also has pledged to oppose a windfall profits tax on oil companies that, according to his campaign Web site, "will ultimately result in increasing our dependence on foreign oil and hinder investment in domestic exploration."
McCain also believes the U.S. needs to deploy SmartMeter technologies, which collect real-time data on the electricity use of individual homes and businesses.
The issue under dispute is what exactly we should do as far as the environment goes. The green party doesn't have a monopoly on these kinds of things, so a statement like "we need to make progress towards a green future" is politically meaningless.
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Yet North Korea, Mao's China, other examples of totalitarian government is not left-wing but actually right-wing along with Mussolini, Franco, Papa Doc and all their friends. It is a sucker when pesky facts in it the way.
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Just because somebody on your side of the political spectrum is an embarrassment to it doesn't mean that you should try to move them to the right side*. Authoritarian left-wing states are still on the left. You don't call Mao right-wing, I won't call Hitler left-wing, and we'll both be factually correct. Deal?
*Other side. Freudian slip.
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So what you've been saying is: all bad and mean things = the right of the spectrum.
All things made of sugar and spice and everything nice = the left side?
And did you say no leftists want to control people?
Here in the US, they want more control than anyone else! They want to have a say in where I work, how much I make, what I learn at schools, what I have to buy, what I can't buy, what I have to pay, who I have to buy from, what health insurance I have, what guns I own, where I can start a business, how I can run a business, in whether I wear a seatbelt or helmet, where I can smoke, what cars I can own, what electricity I consume, what food I eat, etc.
CR
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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Out of curiosity, where would you say that the right tries to control people?And did you say no leftists want to control people?
Here in the US, they want more control than anyone else! They want to have a say in where I work, how much I make, what I learn at schools, what I have to buy, what I can't buy, what I have to pay, who I have to buy from, what health insurance I have, what guns I own, where I can start a business, how I can run a business, in whether I wear a seatbelt or helmet, where I can smoke, what cars I can own, what electricity I consume, what food I eat, etc.
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Beskar, since you are so much more elite, enlightened, and intelligent then simplistic little ole me, let me what happens when you give your liberty to a government body (one that will tax your "carbon foot" for example) in a simplistic, dumbed down, good ole boy way. You may want to have your wealth, future, and livelyhood DICTATED to you, I don't. I don't ask you to have faith in Jesus, Budda, Muhamed, or Santa Clause, don't ask me to put faith in Global warming.
Global Warming has nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do about control. But you're too smart to understand this.
RIP Tosa
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