Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Skullheadhq]

Can you tell me what's the unit roster for the Yuezhi?

Dunno, maybe Gamegeek knows it?

[gamegeek2]

Still being finalized.

EDIT: What I will tell you, though, is that it will take more time to flourish than the other factions' rosters.

[Hax]

Horse archers.

[Skullheadhq]

Horse archers.

Shhhh, that's classified information!

[gamegeek2]

Greetings, fellow forum denizens. Today I am proud to present you with...

The AtB Statting System Preview

AtB will involved a significant reworking of melee weapons, largely based on slashing/stabbing and the use of various weapons historically.

Slashing is much less lethal than stabbing, as we can tell from Roman accounts - but slashing is much more effective as a form of defense, and is a much better attack against limbs. Being able to do both, the long sword still merits a high lethality, but the shorter straight swords, more effective for stabbing, should have just as high a lethality. It's much harder to hit with a stab than a slash, however, so expect that while both will have a high lethality, the long sword will be easier to hit with. Do note that the fs_gladius animation in RTW is pretty fast, so that should make up for it - as it historically did - Romans could often get in multiple stab attempts in the time their opponents could give one swing with their kopis, falcata, longsword, etc.

http://martial.jessecrouch.com/2009/...-use-both.html

Spears are similar in that their stabs are lethal, but won't penetrate as much as a sword will, thus it's less lethal. It's also less accurate. However, as it is from a greater distance, it offers a significant defensive bonus. It's also far more effective in groups than a sword, and much more effective at resisting cavalry, though overhand spears much less so. An overhand spear takes more practice to wield, and doesn't offer the same force, but it's more effective in a formation (harder to stab the guy behind you, lets you keep your shield up) and is more effective at getting by an enemy's shield. It also offers easier access to the face. Underhand spear fighting is more effective in individual combat, offers more power behind the thrust, and is easier to control, but doesn't have the same easy access to vital body parts, due to the body being effectively covered by a shield most of the time. The overhand spear will be more lethal and have better defense skill qualities, but the underhand spear will be easier to hit with (due to greater control, speed, and armour penetration - though it's not ap) and have an attack bonus versus cavalry (thanks to BI's spear_bonus trait, absent in EB) as well the defense bonus offered by the light_spear attribute (which also gives a defense penalty vs infantry).

Weapons such as maces and axes rely on large slashing power to do their damage. A mace is blunt, so it offers a lot more armour penetration. Unfortunately, we can't represent this accurately (there's no 'greater ap') thus I intend to give them greater attack/hit chance (the blunt force can hurt from even behind a shield) but less lethal (it can break bones well, but not kill as effectively). An axe is more lethal, due to the blade, but less effective against armour (as it can more easily glance off), and worse for defense than the mace, since it takes more time to recover from a slash (it will have a delay time).

A kopis is a devastating slashing weapon, as its design concentrates the force more effectively, and could brutalize a shield and deal blunt damage through armour. Greek accounts show that it was highly effective at lopping off limbs as well. It will have AP and be slightly easier to hit with compared with a longsword, though with less lethality - expect it to be overall much more effective than in EB1. Sicae, Rhomphaia, and Falxes were also all notorious for lopping off limbs. Since they won't be 2h, they won't have the armour piercing capability of the falx, but have good lethality and a good hit chance. The ethiopian shotel will probably be treated as a rhomphaia, though maybe slightly differently.

Stabbing weapons are a lot less useful from horseback (the akinakes would probably not be used a whole lot except for dispatching fallen foes) - while slashing weapons from horseback have significantly increased lethality and penetration power (thanks, gravity) and they are harder to hit with (due to the warrior being mounted).

These sorts of changes, along with armour changes, will take a while to implement, but over the summer I'll try to get them done and implemented comprehensively in our new AtB statting system.

Of course, I won't be releasing the actual stats yet. That...will be for a later date :D

[Nyz]

Hopefully, Ibrahim and I can get to work on the [special project] very soon. I'm pretty sure the [special project] will be much appreciated. In the meanwhile, here's some words/phrases from the [special project]. I'd like you guys to guess what they mean. Good luck!

Parashîn
Palakhê Reglâ
Shbûqo Lqrabâ
Qtûlo Henûn
Magdlîn Qdûmo
Shûr Sakrâyya

Parashîn = horse
Palakhê Reglâ = infantry man
Shbûqo Lqrabâ = lustful kinship???
Qtûlo Henûn = merciful killing
Magdlîn Qdûmo = ???? coming??? what coming????
Shûr Sakrâyya = bad diabetes???

[gamegeek2]

Some of those are spot-on. Others partially right, and some I think are jokes. Or, at least, I hope they are :D

[LDC]

Nice preview, though I want to see pictures of more new units.

[Nyz]

Some of those are spot-on. Others partially right, and some I think are jokes. Or, at least, I hope they are :D

Well, you want us to continue guessing until all have right answer?? Anyway, which one is correct? and which one is partially correct?? (I think I already know which one is joke...)

[gamegeek2]

Parashîn - Horsemen
Palakhê Reglâ - Soldiers of the Line/Infantrymen
Qtûlo Henûn - Kill (guess!)
Magdlîn Qdûmo - (guess!) advance!

[Iain.]

According to this .pdf, Axum didn't become a genuine power until about the 1st century AD, well after this games timeline.

http://www.dskmariam.org/artsandlitr.../pdf/aksum.pdf

This makes me very dubious about the merit of its inclusion as a faction.

[gamegeek2]

I also have my doubts about them as a faction.

However, none of the Casse, Sauromatae, and Swebozez were a significant power until the late BCs/Early ADs as well, yet we find them included in EB. The same thing can be said about the Nabatu. Yet we find both of the former in EB (though EBII certainly has replaced them) and the latter in AtB.

Also, you must note the goal of AtB: to showcase factions that EB didn't. This is why we omitted the Getai and Sauromatae, and instead included factions such as the Nabatu and Atropatene.

On another note, that's an excellent PDF, and I'm looking forward to reading it.

[Iain.]

I suppose its inclusion is fair enough then.

The pdf is very good, and has plenty of information about Axum that you can use in the mod.

[Cute Wolf]

hey, Gamegeek2, why are no update?
Well, looks like june - july is full of exams and report writings too...

[Ibrahim]

Parashîn = horse
Palakhê Reglâ = infantry man
Shbûqo Lqrabâ = lustful kinship???
Qtûlo Henûn = merciful killing
Magdlîn Qdûmo = ???? coming??? what coming????
Shûr Sakrâyya = bad diabetes???

first off, the vowels are, IMHO, not exact, nor are they necessarily agreeable to Arabic (after all, we're looking at two different languages)-so bear with that.

EDIT: I hope you and your fellow skinners didn't lose the models, GG. I'm starting work on the steppes people, though I wonder if its more convenient to just recycle some EB units, and re-skin them.

[Metaluis90]

hey! i've been reading something about this mod, and I think it would be awesome!!!! I congratule you, guys!!!! looking foward to it :)

how's the work going?
:)

[FlyingPig]

This sub mod looks great!
Keep up the good work, if only I wasnt a completely incompetent modder/dodgy historian I'd offer my help!

[vartan]

This sub mod looks great!
Keep up the good work, if only I wasnt a completely incompetent modder/dodgy historian I'd offer my help!

It's not too hard to learn. All you need is time and the scriptorium (I think that's what it's called). You'll find it under the RTW section of this and the TWC forum (down as of this writing, I believe).

[FlyingPig]

It's not too hard to learn. All you need is time and the scriptorium (I think that's what it's called). You'll find it under the RTW section of this and the TWC forum (down as of this writing, I believe).

I did not know this. I'll get cracking on a bit of revising. Maybe in a weeks time I'll be of some use

[Blxz]

I have been looking forward to this mod for a long time, but I get the feeling it is starting to die. I hope I am wrong but it just seems the posts are becoming few and far between. Is there any positive news about this or some recent progress reports? Or at least a confirmation that it may be on the way out so that i can stop checking back here.

[gamegeek2]

None of our team ever does any work...

[vartan]

I have been looking forward to this mod for a long time, but I get the feeling it is starting to die. I hope I am wrong but it just seems the posts are becoming few and far between. Is there any positive news about this or some recent progress reports? Or at least a confirmation that it may be on the way out so that i can stop checking back here.

The less the team talks the more excited I get. I think they may be cooking up some stuff!

None of our team ever does any work...

Don't discourage your fans ;)

[Cute Wolf]

None of our team ever does any work...

sorry to become this sarcastic, but most of them also works on something else, and yeah.... all the original submod conceptors looks like allready forgotten this nice submod... perhaps you should try to encourege Malik of Sindh, Athakara, Svramj, and most others to work again in this mod... we could pretty much work the most part of the submod without them, but this submod was their concept, and they should be the one who direct it and took vetoes in certain stalemate situations.

Perhaps if they are allready routing, you should be the one who blow the horn(*)...

*. read : filling their facebook wall with messages, send chat messages everytime you see em online, and another measures necessary....

[vartan]

sorry to become this sarcastic, but most of them also works on something else, and yeah.... all the original submod conceptors looks like allready forgotten this nice submod... perhaps you should try to encourege Malik of Sindh, Athakara, Svramj, and most others to work again in this mod... we could pretty much work the most part of the submod without them, but this submod was their concept, and they should be the one who direct it and took vetoes in certain stalemate situations.

Perhaps if they are allready routing, you should be the one who blow the horn(*)...

*. read : filling their facebook wall with messages, send chat messages everytime you see em online, and another measures necessary....

Well if you have all the data files can any of you take over? That's what we do on Wikia. The Half Life wiki for instance (Combine OverWiki) admin was inactive for a long time and a heavy editor of that wiki sent a letter to Wikia staff and they handed him bureaucrat status.

[gamegeek2]

I dont have athkara or malik on facebook, and svramj won't respond to my numerous requests for him to actually do something.

[Blxz]

Gah, and I thought for a second that your quote of "no one does any work" was tongue in cheek... Sucks, this is one of the few mods I was really looking forward to... Perhaps even more so than EB2 (simply coz i dislike the M2TW battles and unresponsive units).

What really needs to be done? Maybe you just took too much onto your plate at once? Maybe a recruitment drive of some sort is needed to jumpstart a few things. Even focusing on basic completeion to get a working copy out there. Copying across what you can from EB and making it unique or different for a later patch/update.

I do hope it gets back off the ground again, this concept is very good and offers so much more than the usual map of europe.

[Cute Wolf]

I dont have athkara or malik on facebook, and svramj won't respond to my numerous requests for him to actually do something.

such *hopeless* situation.... I suppose the first step we need is salvage and compile all files and researches that we can use, and start again...

[Hax]

such *hopeless* situation.... I suppose the first step we need is salvage and compile all files and researches that we can use, and start again...

I have several files. Don't worry about that.

[Skullheadhq]

Nobody ever does anything, I just finished a skin! I just don't usually bother to post in the forum when I finished up a skin.
And yeah, we should try to get back svramj and all the others.

[gamegeek2]

Awesome.

All work that is appropriate will also go to EB late, btw.