A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]

**Secura** · 06-17-2010, 07:18

Personally, I liked YLC's post, it was really gutsy and has clearly generated alot of discussion already, and that's never a bad thing in the early stages of a game.

However, there's one little thing that niggled at me:

Originally Posted by YLC

I want clarity and openness from the Chairman, and voted in members for the officers, not lapdog appointees.

The four officers are all power roles (detective, doctor, role-blocker, unknown role); by publicly electing them, you're allowing the mafia to know who has been chosen as your aides, thus painting them as a target for murder. Of course, that's if a mafia doesn't manage to infiltrate your officers to begin with.

**Death is yonder** · 06-17-2010, 07:47

Elect: Chairman Hankerchief

This comrade shows great promise my friends. His optimism and good humor will buy us much reprieve in these dark times!

**Azathoth** · 06-17-2010, 08:45

Originally Posted by YLC

And how dare you imply I am perfect! How dare you imply I want to be elected "Tyrant"!No one is perfect, all are susceptible to corruption, and this is why it is the proletariat, who, as a whole, should lead. Tyranny of the Many, not Tyranny of the One. All you are doing is giving your voice away, and all I am doing is refusing to do so!

How amusing. I was merely pointing out that it is easy to cast light on the faults of others, but much less so to examine one's own. It is for that very reason that Comrade Mao, in his infinite wisdom, has taught that to actively self-reflect and self-criticize is a revolutionary's most cherished ability, and something all of us, however "human" we may be, should continuously strive to do. Until you said this I'd taken you for a somewhat misguided and arrogant yet well-meaning Communist, but now the cat's out of the bag, eh?

Why did you say Tyrant, even though nothing I said came even close to implying that? Why don't you know the basic tenets of our doctrine? So you want to be "Tyrant", eh? Is that what's brewing in your mind? Well, I just want to warn you now, whether you're a Kuomintang running dog or a riben guizhi zaogao, that your overlords will never let you be "tyrant" of anything; once you have outlived your usefulness to them, they will either dispose of you or reduce you to slavery. If you survive the righteous and indignant vengeance of the people, that is.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Sigurd** · 06-17-2010, 08:57

I don't like this either.

We should apply a more randomness to the election of the chairman. It would be very bad for us, should we elect a Japanese or a nationalist as chairman.
They would want to become chairman and thereby control the pro-town effort.
I therefore suggest Secura as chairman.

Elect: Secura

**Subotan** · 06-17-2010, 09:04

@Secura
The Officers are harder to kill by both the Imperialists and any Vigilantes, thanks to them being accorded more powerful weaponry than the rest of you lot. Also, the roles will be publically known to everyone. If the Chairman wishes, I suppose he could change it so that the Officers are elected, but the default position is that the Chairman picks.

I would also like to point out that I am extremely pleased with the level of RP going on, and I hope this level is sustained.

**ArpeggiateTHIS** · 06-17-2010, 09:15

Unelect; Elect: Beskar

**Secura** · 06-17-2010, 09:34

Originally Posted by Subotan

@Secura
The Officers are harder to kill by both the Imperialists and any Vigilantes, thanks to them being accorded more powerful weaponry than the rest of you lot. Also, the roles will be publically known to everyone. If the Chairman wishes, I suppose he could change it so that the Officers are elected, but the default position is that the Chairman picks.

I had guessed that the Chairman would be a tough cookie, but hadn't pegged his officers down as being of similar stock, therefore assuming that their identities would be secret to all but one another and the Chairman, thus making the above post. Naturally, such secrecy wouldn't be required if they're inherently hard to kill themselves.

This is all the result of reading over the rules with no sleep at all... I've learned a valuable lesson today!

I don't mind either way how the officers are chosen; public elections would allow us to pick players according to their strengths to fulfill the power roles, but if we're going to place enough faith in someone to vote for them to be Chairman in the first place, then should we not place further trust in their wisdom and allow them to make the choices themselves.

All I'd ask is that it doesn't descend into some sort of popularity contest, really.

**Subotan** · 06-17-2010, 09:54

The Chairman is a tough cookie; he is unkillable, and can only be removed by revolt. His officers aren't as tough, but still hard nuts to crack.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 06-17-2010, 09:58

Vote: ACIN

I will give you guys a hint towards my role:

I love women. Even the fat chicks.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 06-17-2010, 10:00

Oh wait, that description might mean that I'm.....Methuselah!

**ULC** · 06-17-2010, 10:03

Originally Posted by Azathoth

How amusing. I was merely pointing out that it is easy to cast light on the faults of others, but much less so to examine one's own. It is for that very reason that Comrade Mao, in his infinite wisdom, has taught that to actively self-reflect and self-criticize is a revolutionary's most cherished ability, and something all of us, however "human" we may be, should continuously strive to do. Until you said this I'd taken you for a somewhat misguided and arrogant yet well-meaning Communist, but now the cat's out of the bag, eh?

Why did you say Tyrant, even though nothing I said came even close to implying that? Why don't you know the basic tenets of our doctrine? So you want to be "Tyrant", eh? Is that what's brewing in your mind? Well, I just want to warn you now, whether you're a Kuomintang running dog or a riben guizhi zaogao, that your overlords will never let you be "tyrant" of anything; once you have outlived your usefulness to them, they will either dispose of you or reduce you to slavery. If you survive the righteous and indignant vengeance of the people, that is.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Comrade Azathoth (OOC: That's funny some how

), I want nothing more then equality, and if communism is that path, then so be it. I say "Tyrant" and "Dictator", because that is what our enemies are - men who would seek to gather all the power to themselves, who would control your thoughts and motives. I've lived an entire life under such men, I will do so no more! If that means opposing others amongst us, so be it - many self-proclaimed liberators became tyrants and kings themselves.

To that end, if all are in disagreeance about electing Officers, then allow us to decide when they go! If an Officer is NOT living up to his duties or the satisfaction of the proletariat, then he should be sacked and replaced, or we all lynch the Officer!

**wideyedwanderer** · 06-17-2010, 10:03

Azathoth, I was going to vote for you, but it looks like you've stepped out of the race, right?

**Romanic** · 06-17-2010, 10:10

Originally Posted by Secura

All I'd ask is that it doesn't descend into some sort of popularity contest, really.

[metagaming] popularity is a necessary evil in this case. It's just like you said about AVSM, he won't make a good Chairman because of his usual inactivity. The chairman and his deputies need to be trustworthy people who will follow the game actively, make the right decisions and will not miss an order. These features are closely related to popularity in the GameRoom, that's why some players sadly are disadvantaged on election day.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 06-17-2010, 10:11

I'm popular. People should elect me.

**Azathoth** · 06-17-2010, 10:51

Originally Posted by ACIN

I'm popular. People should elect me.

Who are you again?

Originally Posted by YLC

Comrade Azathoth (OOC: That's funny some how ), I want nothing more then equality, and if communism is that path, then so be it. I say "Tyrant" and "Dictator", because that is what our enemies are - men who would seek to gather all the power to themselves, who would control your thoughts and motives. I've lived an entire life under such men, I will do so no more! If that means opposing others amongst us, so be it - many self-proclaimed liberators became tyrants and kings themselves.

To that end, if all are in disagreeance about electing Officers, then allow us to decide when they go! If an Officer is NOT living up to his duties or the satisfaction of the proletariat, then he should be sacked and replaced, or we all lynch the Officer!

Duly noted, comrade. We will have an ideologic spar in a more opportune time and place.

Having dismissed the demagogue, Azathoth turns away with a look on his face before facing wideeyedwanderer.

Well, I am but a young and inexperienced farmer's lad, Beskar is certainly a more adept leader and strategist. Though you may vote for whomever you wish, know that I have thrown my support behind him.

Proud that the flattery had not clouded his judgement or made him feel overly proud, Azathoth moved a few yards beyond the encampment, took off his chinos, and emitted a blob of what had once been a particularly spicy bowl of lo mein. The consistency of the stuff created an uncomfortable sensation, leading Azathoth to gingerly swivel around on his ankles in a fruitless search for a suitable piece of vegetation, or a stray shred of cloth. Though most of the party turned away out of courtesy or disgust, General Hankerchief watched it all while stroking his chin. He looked like a man about to make a difficult decision

**a completely inoffensive name** · 06-17-2010, 10:54

@Aza: I'm ACIN! Hi Aza! *shakes hand*

**Azathoth** · 06-17-2010, 10:56

Uh, I'm in a bit of a sticky wicket.

**Pinman** · 06-17-2010, 13:06

Unelect; Elect: YLC.

Ultimately, a dictatorship of the proletariat must be directed by a dictatorship of one. Our glorious revolution must be guided by a fatherly leader. At least one who speaks out bravely against the potential corruption of this office will strive to resist it the longest.

Plus, the irony is simply too great to ignore.

**Subotan** · 06-17-2010, 13:50

It has just occured to me, looking through the sign up thread, that I did not elaborate on the town investigation process.

It is a variant upon GH's layer cake investigation system. On the first investigation, the resistance of a player to a particular weapon will be revealed, if they have one. The second investigation will reveal if they are susceptible to anti-Marxist propaganda, whilst the third will reveal if they are a Communist, or not.

**taka** · 06-17-2010, 15:23

選我, 我是一個真正的中國人!

選: taka

(Elect Taka)

**Renata** · 06-17-2010, 16:53

~~vote: General Hankerchief~~

Comrade Beskar, I am truly sorry to decline your generous offer, but I rate our chances higher with the General, if you are both good Communists. You are equally clever, but the General has less of a history of antagonizing those who should be his allies. If you are not -- and I wish there were a realistic option who had not promoted himself -- then I prefer the option who has not, to my knowledge, attempted to hand-pick his officers.

(Meant elect and not vote, will correct in a new post.)

**Cute Wolf** · 06-17-2010, 17:09

Ok, Ok, all of your campaigning actions just get the better of me Beskar.... I suppose you are good enough...

Unelect: AVSM, Elect : Beskar

**Renata** · 06-17-2010, 17:12

elect: General Hankerchief

**Beskar** · 06-17-2010, 17:55

Originally Posted by autolycus

Elect: General Handkerchief It is not bribery for him to enable me to serve according to my abilities. Rather, it is the suitable placement of people where they can best be of service.

I shall be appointing each according to their abilitiy. I shall not devulge in the selling of positions in exchange for support. I shall appoint the best and brightest to the positions. If I find signs of corruption, I shall resign them from their posts and appoint a comrade more capable.

**Beskar** · 06-17-2010, 17:59

Originally Posted by Renata

then I prefer the option who has not, to my knowledge, attempted to hand-pick his officers.

Instead, you shall settle for the one who sells his positions of power for support, opposed to the one who shall pick based on ability, merit and skill, to successfully lead the communist revolution?

The "General" is one ingrained with American Chicago politics. Bent on corruption and ill wishes upon the people. He would stop at nothing for a glimpse of power.

**Winston Hughes** · 06-17-2010, 18:21

Elect: YLC

The One True Voice of the People!

**Renata** · 06-17-2010, 19:09

Originally Posted by Beskar

Instead, you shall settle for the one who sells his positions of power for support, opposed to the one who shall pick based on ability, merit and skill, to successfully lead the communist revolution?

The "General" is one ingrained with American Chicago politics. Bent on corruption and ill wishes upon the people. He would stop at nothing for a glimpse of power.

I'm not so convinced you really chose on merit, Comrade Beskar, that's the thing. As far as I can tell it appears to be "people I talk to a lot", with possibly just a dash of "people I think I can manipulate". I'm fairly certain I qualify on both counts.

I wish I could be sure the General will be any better, but at least he appears a bit more transparent thus far. Let us hope that continues. I am sorry to disappoint you.

(Also lol Chicago politics.)

**johnhughthom** · 06-17-2010, 19:52

You know if we were to roleplay this game Beskar would be perfect for Chairman, he likes to style himself as a leftist humanitarian sort, but give him a position of power and the authoritarian within comes roaring out.