Essentual units to use 'Alt-Click' with

**Ibrahim** · 06-20-2010, 04:27

Originally Posted by vartan

Not if you're playing the AI or humans that don't use secondaries with their cav.

@Conan It isn't as simple as the secondary weapon being better than the primary. AFAIK there are bonuses for spears against cavalry, but no such bonuses when using swords or something else. So the question isn't complicated enough. You should ask: What type of unit am I using, and what type of unit am I up against? Then you can figure out by calculation which weapon is appropriate in that setting.

it does give you a better edge-no matter how slightly it is. so to me, it is essential.

that's how I work; I pinch-penny my way to success

**vartan** · 06-20-2010, 05:11

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

it does give you a better edge-no matter how slightly it is. so to me, it is essential.

that's how I work; I pinch-penny my way to success

That's the thing, it doesn't. The primary weapon kills more enemy men than does the secondary weapon. This is the WTF?! phenomenon of the last half decade in EB.

**antisocialmunky** · 06-20-2010, 05:41

From an MP stand point, the lance is ridiculous on cavalry. It is ALWAYS the best weapon to use versus other heavy cavalry. However the secondaries are good if you leave them in melee with infantry(that carry swords and have no AP).

**Cute Wolf** · 06-20-2010, 06:54

yeah, ap - poking sticks for cavalry are quite overpowered, especially against armoured targets in melee, if you have BI, you could receive more realistic result by removing AP properties, adding 4 points of damage, and give power_charge attribute, that way, they stops being excellent can-opener with poking sticks, as well as being more realistically devastating to unarmoured infantry

**gamegeek2** · 06-20-2010, 06:57

The real problem with the lances is the .4 lethality - that's the kicker. It's needed to keep the charges effective. I'll see about power_charge.

**vartan** · 06-20-2010, 07:57

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

yeah, ap - poking sticks for cavalry are quite overpowered, especially against armoured targets in melee, if you have BI, you could receive more realistic result by removing AP properties, adding 4 points of damage, and give power_charge attribute, that way, they stops being excellent can-opener with poking sticks, as well as being more realistically devastating to unarmoured infantry

Gamegeek is right about the lethality. It's so to make balanced the charge. So why do you say that the "poking stick" was more devastating to unarmoured infantry and that it is overpowered against armoured units in melee? Where did that come from?

**Cute Wolf** · 06-20-2010, 08:44

Originally Posted by vartan

Gamegeek is right about the lethality. It's so to make balanced the charge. So why do you say that the "poking stick" was more devastating to unarmoured infantry and that it is overpowered against armoured units in melee? Where did that come from?

try pitting TWO leuce epos (no javelin throwed) against a Nietos, and then try Pitting TWO leuce epos against a Milhant (unarmoured one), the nietos will be likely to be slaughtered, but the Milhant will got a close victory for the most...

**Apázlinemjó** · 06-20-2010, 09:53

Milnahts' half-naked bodies break lances!

**Julianus** · 06-23-2010, 02:00

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

From an MP stand point, the lance is ridiculous on cavalry. It is ALWAYS the best weapon to use versus other heavy cavalry. However the secondaries are good if you leave them in melee with infantry(that carry swords and have no AP).

I remember asking this question here before. However the answer I got is that only infantry spear has bonus against cavalry, so you should still switch to your secondary weapon when your horsemen engage enemy cavalry. Now I'm really confused...