Knife Fighting

[Whacker]

If memory serves you are in Wisconsin. Try this guy: http://www.modernarnis-wi.com/ . I have yet to run into a modern arnis instructor who doesn't know his stuff and is good at what he does.

Silat is very hard to find someone who is the real deal and not a LARPer. As with anything, you'll want to validate any potential guest instructor from any system before you bring them in, if you care about quality of instruction and material. Any instructor should readily be able to state what their degrees are in and whom they hold them under. Beware 5-6th degree BB's on up, most often those are retards who have "created" their own system and promoted themselves to grand master/soke/sijo/grand wizard, whatever, or members of an organization that has very questionable promotion standards, such as WTF and ATA TKD. Also beware systems riddled with foolishness and LARPery, such as the Booj (bujinkan ninjers).

Finally, one of these days we're going to have to have the "Why Vuk has drank the koolaid" discussion about t3h d34dly chun.

[Vuk]

When I was younger I used to think myself quite the bad ass and I hung out with a far different social class than my own economic situation and upbrining would naturally place me in. I witnessed a knife fight once. Thank god no one died but it appeared as though its random slashing with not very much finesse. Blade length prevents more coordination of specific moves and counters and the dirty nature by which you would come to a knife fight prevents any sort of real skill. Most of these knife fighting experts are mostly nonsense, if you find yourself in a knife fight you can do one thing, run. Barring this try to make some form of guard for your off wrist and absorb blows with this while dealing damage with your knife hand. And thirdly stab as well as slash. I guarantee 90 percent of people in knife fights slash wildly the other ten percent are people trained to kill.

In other words knife fights have no real defense beside being quicker and disabling your opponent first.

I don't know, there is always a better way to do something than randomly, wildly moving.

If memory serves you are in Wisconsin. Try this guy: http://www.modernarnis-wi.com/ . I have yet to run into a modern arnis instructor who doesn't know his stuff and is good at what he does.

Silat is very hard to find someone who is the real deal and not a LARPer. As with anything, you'll want to validate any potential guest instructor from any system before you bring them in, if you care about quality of instruction and material. Any instructor should readily be able to state what their degrees are in and whom they hold them under. Beware 5-6th degree BB's on up, most often those are retards who have "created" their own system and promoted themselves to grand master/soke/sijo/grand wizard, whatever, or members of an organization that has very questionable promotion standards, such as WTF and ATA TKD. Also beware systems riddled with foolishness and LARPery, such as the Booj (bujinkan ninjers).

Finally, one of these days we're going to have to have the "Why Vuk has drank the koolaid" discussion about t3h d34dly chun.

Thanks, I will check him out. I have heard about Arnis, isn't it just Escrima? Bujinkan Ninjers? Are you serious? :P
lol, what do you have against Wing Tsun? It is Wing Tsun (WT) I study BTW, not Wing Chun (WC). The WC styles are mostly very different than the WT styles. Which style do you think is a better one to study in order to prepare yourself for a real fight? :P I have yet to find one better than WT.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The only advice I know about knife fighting (besides; don't get in one) is to bring a gun.

As I understand it, if you get in a knife fight, you are going to get cut. I've seen some fancy knife disarming moves instruction, but they all seem to rely on the attacker over committing with a strong stab or wide slash.

CR

[Whacker]

Lots of yes's and one qualified no.

1. Yes, don't get in one to begin with.

2. Yes, if you are forced, then run like hell.

3. Yes, if you get held up just give them your cash.

4. Yes, if you get in a knife fight you WILL get cut.

5. Yes and no, you can bring a gun, but depending on how close the assailant is to you and if they've already deployed the weapon, you're hosed. I think the average agreed distance is 20 ft for a gun to become largely irrelevant.

All things said and done, IF I were forced into a situation where I couldn't just run (say family was with me) and someone else had a knife, I'd rather at least have some basic knowledge and training down than nothing. I've done some pressure testing at a friend's kwoon (he's a Wun Hop Ken Do black belt under Al Dascascos) with the blunt aluminum training knives, and let me tell you how much of an eye opener that was. It resoundingly reinforced points 1 through 4.

@ Vuk - Come to the chat sometime. Disco and I will get you straightened out. :)

[rajpoot]

Keep Nunchuks inside your shirt or in your waistband. Beat people up Bruce Lee style.

[Husar]

I always thought the best defense in a knife fight is to wear chain mail, full plate is better but a bit unwieldy for partying and doing your job, shopping etc.
Other than that I'm not going to help you with your planned gang fights, Vuk.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The only thing I ever fight with a knife is a watermelon.


Why would you want to know how to knife-fight?

[Vuk]

The only thing I ever fight with a knife is a watermelon.


Why would you want to know how to knife-fight?

I am well aware that it is a bad idea to bring a knife to a fight. Some times though, someone else does, and you need to know how to defeat him. Defense against knives is pretty important, as there are lots of knife attacks.

[Fragony]

Didn't go all that well last time, ouch, RUN. Jiu Jitsu has some good disarming techniques, handlock in particular

[God Emperor]

I am well aware that it is a bad idea to bring a knife to a fight. Some times though, someone else does, and you need to know how to defeat him. Defense against knives is pretty important, as there are lots of knife attacks.

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

[Whacker]

*Bashing face on desk* No no no no NO NO NO!!! NOT Aikido. Hell no. One of the most useless "dead" "martial arts" there is right now.

[edyzmedieval]

*Bashing face on desk* No no no no NO NO NO!!! NOT Aikido. Hell no. One of the most useless "dead" "martial arts" there is right now.

Why no Aikido?

[Fragony]

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

Our Vukkie is quite the martial arts expert, we don't really like him but he can beat us all so we pretend.

[Vuk]

Lots of yes's and one qualified no.

1. Yes, don't get in one to begin with.

2. Yes, if you are forced, then run like hell.

3. Yes, if you get held up just give them your cash.

4. Yes, if you get in a knife fight you WILL get cut.

5. Yes and no, you can bring a gun, but depending on how close the assailant is to you and if they've already deployed the weapon, you're hosed. I think the average agreed distance is 20 ft for a gun to become largely irrelevant.

All things said and done, IF I were forced into a situation where I couldn't just run (say family was with me) and someone else had a knife, I'd rather at least have some basic knowledge and training down than nothing. I've done some pressure testing at a friend's kwoon (he's a Wun Hop Ken Do black belt under Al Dascascos) with the blunt aluminum training knives, and let me tell you how much of an eye opener that was. It resoundingly reinforced points 1 through 4.

@ Vuk - Come to the chat sometime. Disco and I will get you straightened out. :)

Yeah, I was talking to a Taekwondo Grandmaster in the area who runs testing for my school, and he used to study several different knife fighting styles. He told me that unless you have a knife yourself, you will almost definately get cut, and have a good chance of being seriously injured. He did say however that training could greatly increase your chances of staying alive.

Didn't go all that well last time, ouch, RUN. Jiu Jitsu has some good disarming techniques, handlock in particular

Honestly, of all the martial arts in the world, I probably have less respect for JJ than any other. :P I once got to trade pointers with a BJJ master in Madison, and even when I agreed not to strike, he still could not defeat me (and I have no grappling training). That was third encounter with a JJist, and it reinforced in my mind the uselessness of JJ against someone who knew what they were doing.
(prepares to be flamed by MMA fans :P)

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

lol, I know. I have learned SOME stuff about knife defense from my barehands martial arts, but I was looking for something more geared toward defeating someone with a knife.

Our Vukkie is quite the martial arts expert, we don't really like him but he can beat us all so we pretend.

lol, actually, I am not. I like them, but I am no expert. You don't love me?! Was it all a lie then? Didn't last night mean anything to you?!