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I have zero respect for a so called 'martial art' that is completely ineffective.



Where do you come up with this stuff?



No.



Complexity doesn't work under pressure. Why do you think there aren't any chunners or kung fooey guys in MMA? Hint: it's not because they're "too deadly", and the "it's designed for the streets" argument is as old and tired as the fools who spout it. MMA *is* the proving ground for effectiveness in martial arts. The only example I can give you of a chunner who has made it work effectively is Alan Orr, and he also cross trains.



You clearly don't understand judo at all. None of your statements are true.



*Brain shutting down* I really don't know where you get this stuff. Especially since you said you did boxing when you were younger AND you did judo for a semester. Oh well. We talked about it in the chat.

First of all, I never said complex, I said sophisticated. When I say sophisticated, I mean the technical excellence of the principles and techniques, and the ability of the techniques (when used according to the corresponding principles) to be effective in a variety of situations. One of the most important parts of technical excellence is simplicity. (you know how the old saying goes)
In fact, it is the simplicity of WT that makes it so effective, and that makes me love it so much.
Why don't you want to hear it? Because you know it is the truth? The same thing that makes boxing so effective is what allows TKDist to jump around kicking each other. It is the rules. If you take the rules away, a fight is completely different. Would those MMA guys be able to go on if they got one of those punches to the throat? Would a TKDist be able to go on if he got a kick to the groin? Of course not. There is a massive difference between a combat sport and an actual fight. You should know that. You say that you don't like hearing that argument, but you never explain why it is not a good argument.

I am not an expert of Judo, that is true. In fact, I know very, very little about it. That said though, I have a basic knowledge, and I have sparred with Judoists before, and none of them could use their Judo to any avail, so that speaks for itself in my mind. I once asked one how he would counter a simple straight punch, and he showed me a move where he grabbed my arm and threw me to the ground. I asked him to try to stop one punch, and I got three to his throat and pulled back before he even got his hands up. At least in their class, they do not train to catch fast punches, so how could they ever do it when it counts.
So what, just because I did boxing I have to defend it? lol, I am a little more open minded than that. Boxing is fine, and I have nothing against it, but a skilled practitioner of say, Pankration would destroy a boxer. Pankration encompasses so much more, and (in some forms at least) is not a combat sport. Boxing and Wrestling are not on the same level as Pankration, just as Jujitsu and Karate are not on the same level as WT.
I have seen martial arts like Krav Maga, Pankration, and Wing Tsun work, and I know that they are effective. In fact, I have seen them defeat practitioners of popular UFC martial arts as well as Budo martial arts.
I have heard plenty of people make convincing arguments on both sides, so I am going to go with what I have seen to work, and unless someone can show me otherwise, I am afraid that I am not going to change my mind. Talk is just talk.


EDIT: Oh, and BTW, I have nothing against cross-training. In fact, I do it myself. It does not mean that I think that TKD is more practical in a street fight, but simply because I enjoy its other benefits. The same is true about Taijiquan.