Knife Fighting

**Louis VI the Fat** · 06-27-2010, 04:07

The only thing I ever fight with a knife is a watermelon.

Why would you want to know how to knife-fight?

**Vuk** · 06-27-2010, 04:57

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

The only thing I ever fight with a knife is a watermelon.

Why would you want to know how to knife-fight?

I am well aware that it is a bad idea to bring a knife to a fight. Some times though, someone else does, and you need to know how to defeat him. Defense against knives is pretty important, as there are lots of knife attacks.

**Fragony** · 06-27-2010, 08:56

Didn't go all that well last time, ouch, RUN. Jiu Jitsu has some good disarming techniques, handlock in particular

**God Emperor** · 06-28-2010, 13:32

Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

I am well aware that it is a bad idea to bring a knife to a fight. Some times though, someone else does, and you need to know how to defeat him. Defense against knives is pretty important, as there are lots of knife attacks.

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

**Whacker** · 06-28-2010, 13:43

*Bashing face on desk* No no no no NO NO NO!!! NOT Aikido. Hell no. One of the most useless "dead" "martial arts" there is right now.

**edyzmedieval** · 06-28-2010, 18:52

Originally Posted by Whacker

*Bashing face on desk* No no no no NO NO NO!!! NOT Aikido. Hell no. One of the most useless "dead" "martial arts" there is right now.

Why no Aikido?

**Whacker** · 06-29-2010, 17:57

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

Why no Aikido?

Because it's a joke? Because it's really a cultural study into Japanese society far more than having any real application?

Sure it teaches a few joint locks, but then again so do dozens of other workable martial arts. The problem is that it doesn't teach fighting. I challenge you to find me actual footage of aikido being used in a situation and that works, and not just some lame compliant or semi-compliant LARPery where the ukes throw themselves around.

**Vuk** · 06-29-2010, 18:12

Originally Posted by Whacker

Because it's a joke? Because it's really a cultural study into Japanese society far more than having any real application?

Sure it teaches a few joint locks, but then again so do dozens of other workable martial arts. The problem is that it doesn't teach fighting. I challenge you to find me actual footage of aikido being used in a situation and that works, and not just some lame compliant or semi-compliant LARPery where the ukes throw themselves around.

lol, while I do agree with you mostly on this, you could be slightly more respectful about it.

That said, I am not a fan of Japanese bare-hand martial arts. With the exception of Judo, I do not think that they are very practical. As a rule, Japanese martial arts are inferior to Chinese martial arts. I will give it to the Japanese that they have an admirable weapons martial tradition, but that said, so does China. :P Karate/Taekwondo, Jujitsu, and even to an extent, Judo are not really practical for self-defense. First of all, they are all limited to one specialization or another, which means that you are only learning a bit of what you need to know. Second of all, they are lacking the sophistication of a lot of Kung Fu. Even Judo (the only Japanese martial art that I really like) relies on being able to catch or evade people's attacks. Some times they are faster than you, and some times that is not an option. It also relies on them not striking or fighting back as you try to throw them, which is not realistic.
Chinese martial arts are to Asia what Greek martial arts are to Europe. They originated there, and reached a much higher level of perfection. British and Japanese martial arts were never as good as Greek and Chinese.

**Fragony** · 06-28-2010, 14:11

Originally Posted by God Emperor

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

Our Vukkie is quite the martial arts expert, we don't really like him but he can beat us all so we pretend.

**Vuk** · 06-28-2010, 16:01

Originally Posted by Whacker

Lots of yes's and one qualified no.

1. Yes, don't get in one to begin with.

2. Yes, if you are forced, then run like hell.

3. Yes, if you get held up just give them your cash.

4. Yes, if you get in a knife fight you WILL get cut.

5. Yes and no, you can bring a gun, but depending on how close the assailant is to you and if they've already deployed the weapon, you're hosed. I think the average agreed distance is 20 ft for a gun to become largely irrelevant.

All things said and done, IF I were forced into a situation where I couldn't just run (say family was with me) and someone else had a knife, I'd rather at least have some basic knowledge and training down than nothing. I've done some pressure testing at a friend's kwoon (he's a Wun Hop Ken Do black belt under Al Dascascos) with the blunt aluminum training knives, and let me tell you how much of an eye opener that was. It resoundingly reinforced points 1 through 4.

@ Vuk - Come to the chat sometime. Disco and I will get you straightened out. :)

Yeah, I was talking to a Taekwondo Grandmaster in the area who runs testing for my school, and he used to study several different knife fighting styles. He told me that unless you have a knife yourself, you will almost definately get cut, and have a good chance of being seriously injured. He did say however that training could greatly increase your chances of staying alive.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Didn't go all that well last time, ouch, RUN. Jiu Jitsu has some good disarming techniques, handlock in particular

Honestly, of all the martial arts in the world, I probably have less respect for JJ than any other. :P I once got to trade pointers with a BJJ master in Madison, and even when I agreed not to strike, he still could not defeat me (and I have no grappling training). That was third encounter with a JJist, and it reinforced in my mind the uselessness of JJ against someone who knew what they were doing.
(prepares to be flamed by MMA fans :P)

Originally Posted by God Emperor

If you wish to learn about defense versus people with knives, then you should concider martial arts instead. From many of those you would be able to learn about defensive stances as well as counter strikes. Aikido for one, is an option there

lol, I know. I have learned SOME stuff about knife defense from my barehands martial arts, but I was looking for something more geared toward defeating someone with a knife.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Our Vukkie is quite the martial arts expert, we don't really like him but he can beat us all so we pretend.

lol, actually, I am not. I like them, but I am no expert. You don't love me?! Was it all a lie then? Didn't last night mean anything to you?!

**Fragony** · 06-28-2010, 16:21

It was kinda interesting untill I woked up naked in a ditch. BRUISED. JJ is actually kinda good here since you step in, he can't slash anymore and stabbing is harder, leggie behind + push + gravity = win. Didn't work out all that well for me but still.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 06-28-2010, 17:39

Bring a bigger knife and go straight for the guts? I haven't really got into a fight for a few years though, increasingly I find violence distasteful.

I blame Jesus for that, spoil sport.