The Magnaura

[Sultan II. Mehmed Han]

bizansı unutun artık bizansı sultan mehmed tarihe gömdü:whip:

[pevergreen]

Michail glances up at the odd intrusion as well as the odd man

"Good question Sir, who are you? I must be losing my perception for what Civil War do you speak of? Apart from bickering between the two Megas candidates and Senators berating the Ceaser, I see no Civil War."

[ULC]

The man turns his head to look sternly at Michail. "I am Aleksander Echter ek Kallipoleos, former head of the Organization, Imperial Noble, and Informant for the Basileus. As to your question of civil war, I never once said one was going on, I send it was imminent, meaning it will happen, if we do nothing but continue down on the same road we have before."

[Andres]

Blahblahblah.

Petty schemes to influence the Basileus.

To prevent civil war, all we need is strong leadership.

The Caesar was on his way to ensure this strong leadership and to protect his future empire.

All you did was hindering his efforts.

The Grandmaster, the greatest foe of the next Emperor, becoming Megas is the first step towards civil war.

Dear Basileus, don't let yourself be influenced by conspiracy theorists and religious nutjobs all striving for personal glory and gains. You are much wiser than that. Don't let yourself be misguided and focus on the most important thing: stability in the empire, which can only be obtained by strong emperors.

[rossahh]

And just what sides will there be in this supposed civil war?

[pevergreen]

"Savvas you are tempting me to come over there and reason with you...outside. You do realise that at this point it is a lost cause. To you though Zigavinos, I presume it will be the throne versus all those who are unhappy with the royal family and it's members actions. From the Order no doubt..."

[Kagemusha]

"Calm down everyone. Who is this man coming here and talking to us as if we know him, while associating himself with the "Organization"?. Reveal everything now or maybe the Varangians should just slip your head from your shoulders, for proclaiming yourself as traitor in public, by calling yourself the former leader of this so called organisation."

[rossahh]

What, Makedonis against the Basileus? I simply cannot believe that. Surely you are mistaken?

[pevergreen]

"I disagree good sir, everything I have seen points towards Makedonis being a spawn of Lucifer himself. Truly Makedonis has had veiled interests behind everything he has done for the Empire. I do, however, recognise that my opinion is, rightly so, just mine. So I shall shut my mouth for the moment."

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios raises an eyebrow when he hears the mention of civil war.

Civil war is madness. Killing your own people is madness.

I believe people are letting their fears get the best of them.

If anyone is stupid enough to start a civil war, I will use every legal means if elected to put an end to it peacefully.

People... we might all disagree on many things... but I hope and pray that we are above such... despicable acts. We have enough enemies surrounding us. Searching for them in here is foolish.

I might vote against edicts that the Caesar or Savvas present, but to physically strike them? No. If they lunged at me I would of course block their sword. But I can not raise my hand towards another Byzantine any more than the cows can call the sun to come up at midnight.

If I hear of anyone stoking the fires of an imaginary conflict, I will be most unhappy...

Now I suggest everyone calm themselves, regain composure, and move on to more pertinent topics.

[Privateerkev]

Some time elapses. Makedonios comes into the chambers with paperwork.

Alright, if we're done talking about killing each other, we have Senate business to discuss.

Looking at the voting results, it looks like I'm going to win this re-vote.

The election will continue but I figure it is best to get started on some things now, rather than later.

I have been noticing some new oath swearing going on. I need to know who will be eligible for private armies in the future. That will allow me to budget accordingly and maybe even recruit for these armies ahead of time.

To everyone that has a private army, besides those in the Order, I will need to know exactly what units make up your armies and where those units are.

I ask that all governors allow some flexibility in what I can build. And to try to include the cheapest buildings first in the queue. It is better to have small improvements all the time than one or two buildings sucking up all of the florins.

We all know there are legal ways to stockpile excess units above and beyond what is needed for your private armies. If you do so, I will skip your settlements when it comes time to fund improvements. We will need fiscal discipline if we are to get through the current financial difficulties.

And we all know there are ways to manipulate the law with private armies. I believe someone called it "garrison dumping." If you play games with the private army rules, I will simply freeze spending and let the whole Senate know why.

Those who work with me to get the Empire's finances in order will find me most agreeable. Those who wish to keep playing games with the law will find me very cranky. In that instance, I will follow the letter of the law but will provide no extra support beyond that required of me by law.

Gentlemen, I am now available for correspondance. You can write me, day or night. A response will always be given promptly but I apologize ahead of time if the responses are brief.

[ULC]

Aleksander shakes his head.

"Are you all so arrogant as to believe it will be between the Houses? That this is at all related to how one House feels about another? The matter goes deeper, as the Basileus himself will attest to. It is a contest between Church and State, between the Patriarch and The Basileus, with the Caesar and Order as pawns, the Crusade as a tool, and the execution of thousands Christians and the destruction of holy places in Fatimid lands as mere collateral. But, since most of you want to simply ignore me, I will simply take my seat and let the Emperor say exactly what I have said. At least you listen to him, right?"

[Kagemusha]

"Stop Blabbering if you dont have anything real to say. If Patriarch has committed treason and you have proof of that. Show us the proof and He can be put on trial and executed like any other traitor. Give us what you know and stop blabbering your mysterious fortune teller tales. Lay down the evidence and we can proceed with any traitors there are."

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios looks at Alexsander.

I'm afraid you have stumbled into the wrong chambers. This room is for Senators and their aides. So, unless you are a proxy or are called as a witness, you have no place here.

If there is a crime, we will uncover it. If you are needed as a witness, we will let you know.

Good day good sir.

[ULC]

"The Basileus has all the evidence, for I gave everything I had on the Patriarch to him. I am here only as witness at the request of the Basileus."

[Privateerkev]

Then we will call upon you if we need you.

Thank you, that will be all.

OOC: Sorry, I have a hard time believing that just anyone can wander into the Senate. Next, there will be fat Venetian merchants... :laugh4:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Two men enter the room..
By the looks and the clothes it is clear that they are Venetian merchants from the ship that arrived few days ago..
Seeing Efstathios they nod to him and took a seat next to him. Taller one of those two whispers something to Efstathios that makes them both smile a bit..

OOC: Here you have it PK. Venetian Merchants. :clown:

[deguerra]

Ioannis starts banging his fist on his chair until there is some silence before standing up to speak

Will you all be silent!

What is this madness!

First, Savvas, you do your reputation a grave harm with your conduct. That you remain adversarial towards your opponent in the election is understandable, but rampant accusations and wild theories are beneath you and any other Senator.

You speak of one house not gaining too much power, when this past term it was the Komnenodouaki who gained much more than all others. I do not have a problem with this. They fought valiantly against a common foe of all the Empire and took land and required men in the process. But you can hardly accuse other Houses of too much power!

Furthermore, your accusations against Makedonios are laughable, and as my newly-acquired vassal I sharply reject your accusations of House Asteri having any false motives in voting for the Grandmaster. I happen to think he will be a good Megas. I happen to think this Empire needs balance. I have nothing against you, and at any other time in any other position would have voted for you. I thought I had made that abundantly clear.

Finally, you slander the Basileos, which I will not let stand. In his wisdom, he has decided to vote differently because the Empire required stability and not another tie. That he puts the Empire's interests before those of himself and his famly should be applauded, not attacked.

And lastly, let me say I in now way endorse all these strangers in these halls.

The Senate of the Roman Empire is for Senators of the Roman Empire. We have allowed scribes and proxies because we thought them necessary. Quite frankly, I would be happier if ONLY Senators were allowed to speak at all, while others would only observe. But I will not stand for people not even representing a Senator not only attending but speaking here. If they are not officially invited, they should be removed. And probably thrown in jail while we're at it.

Given that this man is a member, former or not, of the Organisation, and I might add has approached me in at least one other capacity, I would most like to speak to him, so I would ask that the Basileos have the Varagnians detain him right NOW!

[Andres]

Savvas nods to Ioannis Kalamateros.

I apologise for the anger and the rage I displayed in this body, Senator. I got carried away by my emotions.

I also apologise to the Emperor for my harsh words and how I phrased my thoughts.

But I still sincerely believe that the Emperor makes a gigantic mistake by putting the nemesis of his son in charge of the Empire.

Savvas looks at the merchants.

And if you two don't leave instantly, I will drag you out of the Senate myself, injured or not.

And that man (points at the conspiracy theorist) should be put in jail. Maybe a short stay in the torture chamber will make him show us some proof.

[Privateerkev]

I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.

[Andres]

I fear some in here, looks at Savvas, are fanning the flames of division by referring to me as the Caesar's "nemesis." I am no one's nemesis. And I will work with anyone for the good of the Empire. The Caesar and I have our differences this is true. But I do not hate the man. I am confident we can work together this term for the greater good.

Savvas, you have been batting about the words "disloyal" and "traitor" for decades. The way you sounded years ago, if a member of the royal family were to kick us in the head, you would have us say, "thank you sir, may I have another."

But the very moment a member of the royal family does something you disagree with, you whine, complain, and throw a tantrum like a petulant child. What happened to that "unconditional loyalty" you used to spout off?

Funny, you would have us suffer criminal neglect in total silence if the Megas is in the royal family. But if a member of the royal family votes the way you don't like, you would have us all scream, cry, and hold our breath.

It seems you were for unconditional loyalty before you were against it.

I apologised for my outburst.

Strange enough, I was angry, no I still am angry, because I am loyal to the Royal family.

You see, Grandmaster, I wasn't angry because I won't be Megas, I was angry because you will become Megas.

I would have been evenly outraged if the candidate for Megas was somebody else.

The mistake of the Emperor is not that he doesn't vote for me, the mistake consists of voting and thus making you the next Megas.

You say that you are not the nemesis of our Caesar, but we all know better, Grandmaster.

You let your vassals insult the Caesar without having them punished or facing real consquences, in the meanwhile hiding yourself behind an aura of being chivalrous and on higher moral grounds than the rest of us.

And don't you start again with your "complain to the Basileus" mantra.

It are your vassals and you are responsible for them.

Let there be no doubt about my loyalties. But a true loyal servant dares to disagree with his lord. If the Basileus makes a mistake, than I will say so. What good is a servant who always bows always says "yes" and never questions the decisions of his lord, how foolish they may be.

Don't lecture me about loyalty, Grandmaster.

[Warmaster Horus]

Savvas, please end this.
You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?

In any case, I fear no amount of debates or arguments will satisfy you. The Emperor has decided to vote against you, and there is nothing you can do about it. If you think calling out against the Basileus will help, then you are wrong. You look more and more like a fool, whose only interest is power.

[Privateerkev]

I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Efstathios smiles..

Indeed.. Last time I checked I was not Grandmasters vassal.
And I do not insult the Caesar. Oh no. I just speak the truth and the truth is that.. Vissarionas is right about everything he have said against Caesar.
Mark my words but once he gets the throne.. well.. everything good his father have done shall be destroyed!

[Andres]

You complain that Makedonios' vassals speak up and say things you disagree with, and a minute later you proclaim that it is the duty of a true servant to dare to disagree with his lord. Which one is it?

Ah, but Makedonios isn't disagreeing with Vissa... If he would really disagree with Vissa, he would make him face real consequences.


I keep hearing "vassals" in the plural. I challenge anyone in here to find two of my men who have insulted the Caesar. Yes, we all know of one. But the proper term would be "vassal." Which is singular.

Anyone who says that my "vassals" are insulting the Caesar are again fanning the flames of division.

Unless you can find more than one person under my command who has insulted him. Ike, Armatos, Bart, Stavros, and Nathanail have all been relatively quiet in here. Are people trying to tell me that these 5 people have insulted the Caesar? You better bring me proof.

Others in here have insulted the Caesar but they are not under my command. So, bother their lords about it and stop lumping them in with Vissa.

Are we going to discuss grammar now? Haven't you got anything better to do, dear Megas? Like building armies for the Order?

OOC: Bah, Mak has no style, not being able to appreciate the drama created by Savvas' artistic freedom and all.

[Privateerkev]

Of course I disagree with Vissa and I have stated so publicly. Your more than welcome to dig through the transcripts to find it. As for punishment, he has been punished. It was private but he knows very well my feelings on the matter.

As for grammar, you deny it's importance? Good thing your not Megas. I can see you now, confusing the letters people give you.

As for armies, the Order isn't getting any more for the time being. They'll need theirs filled to legal capacity of course. But if I'm building any armies it's actually for other people. There are at least 4 legal armies popping up overnight. It will be difficult to recruit for all of them at once. Since your such a good vassal, I'm sure you won't mind if your lord and the Caesar's House get theirs first.

OOC: Who ever said Mak had style? He is simply very effective at battles and politics. As well as being terrific in bed. ~;p

[OverKnight]

Aleksios speaks quietly.

Aleksander ek Kallipoleos is here by my invitation as part of an ongoing investigation. However I would ask him to remain silent for the moment, as my inquiry into certain matters is not complete. It is one thing to believe something, yet another to prove it.

I am awaiting the arrival of Senator Apionnas Vringas with more information before I can present my findings.

The Basileus looks a bit concerned.

I had expected him to arrive in time for the Session, he is overdue.

[_Tristan_]

A man in a dust-powdered cloak walks into the Magnaura and delivers a rolled parchment to the Senate scribes. After having it read by the Protoasecretes, who simply nods, the scribe walks to the Senate floor and begins to read.

Basileos, Caesar, Fellow Senators,

It is with great joy that I hereby announce that Alexandria, flower of the Fatimid Sultante has fallen to Byzantine arms. Under the joint command of Annios Solomon and myself, Alexandria has fallen.

Our brave Crusaders have suffered few losses. Nevertheless, some gruesome sight which we happen to behold when we launched our assault deserved that we deliver a fitting punishment to the population of the city.

I, and I alone, took upon me to unleash my men upon the filthy rabble that inhabited the city. Men were rounded and one out of five was put to death, his assets seized for the good of the Empire and in payment for the death of Kosmas Mavrozomis. This resulted in 2000 deaths.

I know full well that in acting in such a way I violated an Edict voted by this august body in the two last terms. I am ready to submit myself to the judgment of my peers upon this violation and await the decision of our most revered Basileos.

I wish the best in this term to our Megas and hope my fellow Crusaders will have the same success under the walls of Cairo.

Signed : Methodios Tagaris.
Captain-General of House Ilios Korakas.

The scribe rolls the parchment back and hands it to the Protoasecretes to file it in the Senate archive.

[Motep]

Andronikos looks up at this news, and hastily writes a message. Once complete, he handed the letter to a waiting scribe, and mounted his feet.

Glorious news! The city of Alexandria is once more in the hands of our Empire! Mark this day, gentleman, as a sign of victories to come!

This is indeed great news, though I am stricken by the needless collatteral in the wake of said victory. I understand that a general was lost, but he should not be avenged on the innocent civillians of the city! They did not kill him! He devoted his life to the crusade, and she has took her toll...who are we to understand divine judgement?

[Warmaster Horus]

I too rejoice at hearing such good news! Finally the Crusade is making good, visible progress.

The death of so many does appear excessive for the death of one man, however great he was. But by God Kosmas Mavrozomis deserved better! He deserved better than to die at the walls of heretics! And I believe he is now avenged.

Of course, these are but preliminary thoughts before the official report is posted. We should hold further commentary until it is rendered public.

OOC: By that, I mean we should wait until Tristan posts the battle report. In the Logothetes' thread he says he will give IC reasons in there.

[TinCow]

In accordance with Crusade rules, Methodios Tagaris now owns Alexandria and will have 2 to 4 new Crusade units generated for him next turn.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Message has been brought to Magnaura from Efstathios Laskaris.

"Senators,

The sacking of Alexandria by the hands of Methodios Tagaris is disgraceful. To use Kosmas Mavrozomis' death as an excuse to kill those people and take their properties and money to himself is something we can not tolerate. This is nothing but a simple robbery. From now on all those locals will remember Mavrozomis' name as the reason why so many people lost their lives. His name is now tainted. This just shows that Tagaris don't know how to honor men like Kosmas and Markianos. But I am different. I renamed Caesarea to Markianopol to honor the man who fall valiantly fighting for defense of the Empire. This way his name will always be remembered.
May God look over us and give us strength to recreate Roman Empire!

Efstathios Laskaris"

[_Tristan_]

Methodios glares at Laskaris, a still vivid scar turning down the corner of his mouth in a scowl.

I need no excuse to kill people, Laskaris. If you had witnessed what I have, you would not be so quick to pass judgment on my deeds in Alexandria.(OOC : no time yet for my battle report and I'm waiting for Zim's permission to use Kosmas a particular way...).

Kosmas was more than a friend to me... He was an example, a man who showed me his gratitude for saving Belgrade by sponsoring me in the ranks of the nobility... His death at the hands of these heretics still rankles... Who is this God who allowed such a good man to die away from his home while the man was making this same God's work ? So do not believe I will let anybody say that the sack of Alexandria is to be laid at his feet... I take full responsability for it.

And I won't take any lessons about honour from a scoundrel who, while taking part in athe Crusade, spent most of his time spoiling the efforts of his fellow Crusaders by sabotaging their ships, at the risk of causing their deaths. Honour is as distant to you as the moon to a howling wolf... You can howl at it but you'll never reach it...

Who are you to question me ? What gave you the right to rename a city which you acquired only through your politicking (or should I say spit-licking...) ?

What have you achieved until now ? Only mischief in the Crusade and snide comments in these halls...

I will stop now for I already gave you too much importance.

Methodios sits down, still glaring at Laskaris.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

OOC: Have to say that Methodios have pretty good eyes if he can see Efstathios since he is still in Egypt and it was message from him that was read in the Magnaura. :laugh4: But I hope we see that battle report soon then. :yes:

[Motep]

OOC: Have to say that Methodios have pretty good eyes if he can see Efstathios since he is still in Egypt and it was message from him that was read in the Magnaura. :laugh4: But I hope we see that battle report soon then. :yes:


OOC: he is in egypt to. :cheesy:

[_Tristan_]

OOC : Not good eyes but good ears...

[deguerra]

I won't have baseless slander of members of House Asteri, least of all from the likes of you, Methodios.

I have not brought up your nifty little new "house" and its slimy, slithering and underhanded mannerisms, but if you desire to continue along this path I will be more than happy to divulge every last shred I've had to endure from it.

As for Alexandria, I will refrain from judging you until you deliver evidence of what happened to Kosmas that might justify such a response, but quite frankly, given your track record in the Balkans, I can at least bring some understanding for Strator Laskaris' misgivings.

As for his right to question you, I would argue that every Senator of the Empire has the right to quesiton another, but perhaps those are just my unchivalrous ways coming through again.

Finally, the renaming of Caesarea is quite apt to my eyes. We have changed its name from the nondescript sucking-up of a Roman client king to something that has meaning to us in the here and now. Or do you, who is so eager to boast of your own many achievements, doubt those of the late Markianos Ampelas?

[Privateerkev]

The sacking of Alexandria is a tragedy. I ask the Senate to punish Methodios for his actions. The sacking of a Crusade target is an affront to God. And Methodios willfully violated an Edict. I will abide by the will of the Senate concerning his punishment. In the meantime, he will be provided with what is needed to protect and defend Alexandria. The people of that city, who is left of them, should not be punished for his crimes.

[Ituralde]

Pavlos enters the Diet with a disgruntled look on his face.

Senators of the Roman Empire!

I am not a great speaker and I usuall don't speak in front of you, but I have to speak up against the falsehoods laid against me by Megas Ksanthopoulos in his last report.

First, my army is bloody well not made up entirely of mercenaries. There are some Saracen bastards, that's true, and some Armenian rabble that thinks it can shoot a bow and I have opted to give Ioannsi Kantakouzinos the company of Armenian cavalry to travel through enemy territory. But the rest of my army is in fact made up of true Roman soldiers!

Secondly, I have offered the Megas the same thing you can now find in my Orders thread during the last season. You can see for yourself that the recruitment cost for those men I asked for would be lower than the wages I have to pay the mercenaries every year! So the Megas had my permission to supply me with a cheaper army but chose not to.

It was his decision and not mine that I still have those mercenaries under my command! Don't accuse me of things I haven't done!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

There is no justifications to the sack of Alexandria.
What is even more disgraceful is that it was done by a man who voted 'Yes' just recently to an Edict that prohibited such actions.
I support the Grandmaster here.. He should be punished.
We can not allow people breaking rules and laws in anyway they want!
We didn't punish Caesar for his actions..
Machonios was punished by his House..
And now Tagaris should be brought to justice and be punished by the state..
As for the accusations that I spent most of the time sabotaging other Crusaders is not true.. All I did was the response to what Annios Solomon did.. He was the one sabotaging us on the eve of leaving Greece.. Can you deny that?! And this is the man you want to be part of your House?! He sabotaged us even in Egypt by destroying my armies Grand Cross.. What kind of man would do something like that?!
And I have all the right to name a city in anyway I want since it is under my rule! If I want I could rename it Efstathiopol or something but I don't because I'm not after some personal glory like you are!
I renamed it Markianopol to honor a great man who is example to all the Megas Logothetes' yet to come!!

[Privateerkev]

Mercenaries cost money. Far more money than they are worth. They should be used sparingly, if at all. One of the reasons our economy was in such bad shape is because the Caesar had recruited a massive amount of mercenaries for his House. In the interests of getting on a sound financial footing, I have been targeting mercenary units for disbandment.

Antypatos Pavlos however has insisted that he keep his mercenaries until he deems them not needed. He claims that Dyarbakir is so strategically important, that it must be moved on immediately. I fail to see the dire strategic need but I don't mind if he moves on Dyarbakir, as long as he does it with a cheaper recruited army.

Once he disbands those mercenaries, I will recruit him a proper cheaper army. Until he disbands them, he is dragging on our economy. Those that drag on our economy will be the last to benefit from it. As for his "deal," it does not go far enough. All of his mercs need to go, not just a few.

As for the Armenian Cavalry he gave to Kantakouzinos, I have deemed that action illegal and have "vetoed" it. You can not claim 2+ separate "stacks" as part of your army. Otherwise, every person who has an army can claim 20 different one-unit stacks all over the Empire. It would be chaos...

The Armenian Cavalry with Kantakouzinos are under my direct control and they will not be moved by anyone. Failure to comply will mean a violation of the "rules."

[deguerra]

Ioannis rises again

I believe I have not yet formally announced the recapture of Caesarea. The city was retaken for the Empire this year, with substantial losses inflicted on the Imperial Army capturing it. I take full responsibility for those losses. The city, itself, fortunately was occupied without further bloodshed.

Formal control was transferred to Strator Laskaris, who chose to rename the city Markianopol. I need not restate my approval of his decision.

[Kagemusha]

"There is nothing in Megas actions that surprises me. At least now he can climb down from his high horse and stop preaching to us others since his political speeches and actions are two entirely different things. My domain, Yerevan actually has damaged walls, which makes it very hard to even protect with normal garrison in its current state and he chooses not to repair those walls, while Pavlos Chrysovergos has been disbanding large amounts of mercenaries. This just clearly shows what kind of a man Megas is.

About the sack of Alexandria. There is a law, which i have to say i did not support but there is a law nonetheless and braking the law should be punished. Since Tagaris does not have an feudal lord, i think Emperor should punish him with a appropriate punishment."

[Privateerkev]

Not only is your House insisting on dragging the economy down, but the Caesar actually broke the rules last year when he moved a unit of Armenian Cavalry that I had "seized." Units I seize as Megas are mine to then move or disband as I see fit. Moving those units challenges the powers of my office. (OOC: And it actually breaks the "rules.")

If your House is going to insist on breaking the law and dragging our economy down the gutter, then you will be the last ones to benefit from the growing economy.

If I find that the Armenian Cavalry with you has been moved, I will again refuse to build anything for your House this year. (OOC: If we are not going to provide OOC consequences for "rule breaking," then by-golly, I will provide IC consequences! :laugh4:)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

And what would be the appropriate punishment? Saying something like: "Bad boy, Tagaris! Bad , bad, bad boy indeed!" Would that be it? I suggest we go further. Exile him or take away his lands for some years?! We do have those islands between Greece and Anatolia that are not being used. Like I suggested when the 'Iconium incident' happened we should start exiling all those who break the law to those islands until the end of the current Megas term!

[TinCow]

OOC: Nothing to see here.

[Kagemusha]

"You and your rules. It is not any rules why i criticize your actions. By leaving the walls of Armenia damged, you are putting the lives of the people in danger, while Turks are roaming all over the area. If those walls are damaged and the town falls to some Turkish army.The blood of the victims stains your hands."

[Privateerkev]

The Turks seem quite busy rushing Constantinople. It seems you and your city are quite safe from all of the real fighting.

[Kagemusha]

"And you think all the military power of Turks is in that one pitiful army marching to Constantinopol? Im wondering with all that man power in the Capital, what serious threat that even creates? There are Turkish settlements to West,East,North and South from the Komnenodoukai domains and our military resources there are lot smaller, while you would not be pleased until rest of our armies would be bunch of peasants, but like i said before, this does not surprise me at all."

[deguerra]

With all due respect, Ioannis, and I do understand your position in this matter, you cannot truly be telling me that because House Komnenodoukai fought aggressively during the Caesar's term, surely for the good of the Empire, but equally at its own benefit, we now need to sink all our resources into that region. Perhaps you expanded a bit too rapidly, that is not for me to judge. But the Megas must get the economy in line, and in that he has my support.

[Kagemusha]

Ioannis turns towards Kalamateros and replies.

"I understand and i would not even dream that our settlements would be prioritized in any way. What i am complaining about is that Megas being stubborn is putting the civilian population of Yerevan in harms way."

[Privateerkev]

The civilians in Yerevan are not in harms way, nor would I put them there. I fear members of your House have always embellished the Turkish threat to justify the massive expenditures you guys cause.

I'll see about repairing those structures this year. Since that will take no time, I can also get a proper building started if the economy permits. Do you have something in mind that would help the people of Yerevan or can I use my own judgment?

[Kagemusha]

"I am completely satisfied if Yerevan´s walls are repaired and if it would have a even minimal garrison, so my Lord can march out from there. The small funds of the treasury can be used somewhere else. See i am not asking for much."

[Ituralde]

You must have access to some quite astonishing sources. At this point no one can know how many people guard the Castle of Dyarbakir, yet you claim to know the exact extent of the thread. I must say this puzzles me.

And to your earlier comments. Anybody can see in my Orders that I don't want to hold on to the mercenaries. I only want to make sure that I get adequate replacements for them. Replacements that are far cheaper! I don't think that's an unreasonable command and I thank you for granting me this in your last letter!

Pavlos bows formally

[Privateerkev]

I had no problem with recruiting cheaper replacements. It is the fact that you attempted to usurp my authority by moving a unit that was "seized" by the Office of the Megas that bothered me. Especially since the leader of your House just did that very thing last year. It's seems even when he is not Megas, the Caesaer is capable of breaking the law...

Lawbreaking will not be tolerated during my term. Any person who violates the "rules" will feel swift justice.

[Warmaster Horus]

So what of the sacking of Alexandria? I do not specially wish for Tagaris, my lord, to be punished, but if his behaviour is found lacking honor-wise, then I will not be his vassal any more.
I believe the murdering of innocents is more important than what has been discussed in the past few hours.

[Ituralde]

I did not attempt any such thing! That Unit that you now so convienently seized was part of the garrison of Sinop, which I had every single right to use.

I have consulted with my clerks and I see now that your interpretation is correct. I had just hoped to be able to lend assistance to Ioannis Kantakouzinos. As Megas of course you don't have to agree with me.

[Privateerkev]

When that unit was part of the garrison of Sinop, it was under your control and I did not touch it. When it moved out of the settlement that year, it was still under your control for that year, and I did not touch it. But once it starts a year out in the field, it is under my control unless it is in an army.

As for Methodios, I have made my stance clear on this. I totally and completely denounce what he has done and wish for him to be punished. As Megas, I will give him what is needed to manage and defend his settlement but no "luxaries." When the Senate can figure out a ruling, I will carry it out.

[Ituralde]

I never questioned this.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Can I make a proposal that once the Crusade is over Methodios will loose his settlements and shall be banished to one of the Islands between Greece and Anatolia until the end of Makedonios' term as Megas. I suggest the island that has watchtower on it. It is time to start taking serious all of our laws.

[Privateerkev]

Hypatios exterminated two settlements and he didn't lose his province. Lets make sure the punishment fits the crime.

[Ferret]

Yes but I lost my title, my House and my friends, Methodios has none of those to lose.

[deguerra]

Might I be so forward as to point out that there is a Turkish army just outside the capital of the Roman Empire. Perhaps someone would be good enough to lead the Army in the capital out to meet the foe before we suffer from the disgrace of having Konstantinopolis besieged?

[Ramses II CP]

Yet another letter from Vissarionas ek Lesvou is read into the record. A somewhat less excitable scribe is chosen this time, and the oldster has obviously read the contents ahead of time and found them unremarkable, at least compared to the previous ones.

The sack of Alexandria is a sad statement on the willingness of even those sworn to the cross to commit atrocities. I sympathize with Methodios on the loss of Kosmas, our fellow Crusader, but I cannot find blame for his death in the innocent civilians, now much reduced, of the formerly Fatamid city. I must concur with the suggestion which has already been put forward, let the Emperor propose his punishment and this body ratify it. In the future perhaps such edicts could be proposed with a course of action for the violation already incorporated?

I am also highly amused to find members of the Caesar's personal slave contingent, excuse me, feudal chain, protesting that they deserve fair treatment. Their lord never believed in providing such for others and no man among them spoke against it, though it does our Megas credit that he still provides absolute fairness for them whether they can comprehend it or not.

Nor am I shocked to find that the Turkish crusade which our valiant and exceptionally well equipped Caesar allowed to stroll by utterly unmolested with the intent of exterminating our capital has, at last, made it's way nearly to the walls. I would suggest that the Caesar take those carefully hoarded resources he spent years robbing from the rest of the Empire and see off the jihad army, but he has somehow managed to spare himself any possibility of such dangerous work by being entirely absent from the scene of a potential threat to Constantinople. Let's have a round of applause to congratulate him!

I will second the lord of Asteri's call for someone to step up and deny the Turks the pleasure of laying siege. May God grant that noble personage victory!

And God save the Emperor, noblemen, and may he reign forever!

Vissarionas ek Lesvou

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

A Saracen looking officers approaches the Magnaura doors, the Varangian Guard's immediately block his path readying weapons. The figure removes his helmet and raises an inquiring brow at the much larger men.

A few moments is all that is needed to admit Apionnas into the Chamber.

He moves with steady and deliberate movements. The reason for this is clearly due to a great deal of pain that accompanies everything he does. He takes a seat and scan's through some papers.

Standing he address the Chamber in a clear and unwavering voice.

I certainly can not say I am surprised at the actions that were taken in Alexandria. I warned of taking a moral high ground against the previous Caliph's actions against Christian's in the city of Cairo.

Holy wars are an exercise in hypocrisy and religious fervour.

With that in mind we have of course done exactly that which prompted our own clergy into calling for the current crusade.

We can expect the cycle to continue my lords. Feigning shock and outrage will make not one ounce of difference to the agenda that is running in the background.

[_Tristan_]

Fellow Senators,

As I said, I am fully aware that I committed a grave crime against our laws but unlike so many others (with looks for the Caesar and Machonios), you will find me willing to atone for it. A fault confessed is half redressed.

This is why I'll expect leniency. Especially when some who exterminated two settlements got nothing more than a slap on the wrist, while others who repetedly violated our sacrosanct "rules" didn't even get a reprimand.

I do not regret what I did, remorse is for the weak. I will live the rest of my life with the guilt of what happened in Alexandria on my shoulders.

And Apionnas, would you be a little more clear about this hidden agenda ?

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis gets up and looks sternly at Methodios.

I suppose because you admit to doing wrong then that reduces your penalty? It was a coldly calculated decision of yours to break the law, and you have no expressed remorse. If anything, you should be punished more severely for insincerity.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas turns towards Methodios and raises an eyebrow.

You seem fair from sincere in your atonement for wilful and gratuitous slaughter. The reports I received while in the region did not indicate it accidentally happened.

Comparing yourself to other is an exercise in playground mental gymnastics. I personally am not interested in what others did, rather in what you did in authorising the killing of thousands of Muslims.

It seems you have come to terms with this and sleep quite soundly at night. A trait that will hold you in good stead for the future I'm sure.

As for hidden agenda's, revealing them has only limited benefits. Understanding them and working with them in mind is far more effective in my view.

Turning to the chamber as a whole he continues is a slightly ironic tone.

I look forward to the next slaughter in this holiest of wars my Lords. We are just at the beginning of it.

[_Tristan_]

Ioannis gets up and looks sternly at Methodios.

It was a coldly calculated decision of yours to break the law, and you have no expressed remorse.


I only followed your example, My Lord...


If anything, you should be punished more severely for insincerity.

I hope to be punished as severely as you were...

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas shakes his head in resignation at the exchange.

[pevergreen]

"Makedonis, although I despise you...I do have to admire the steps you are taking to reform our Empire....Well done."

The pained expression on Michail's face leaves. After sending a note, he notices Apionnas has just come back.

"Apionnas! Truly it has been years! You look injured my lord, I pray it is none too grevious!"

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas smiles warmly towards Michail.

Indeed, it is good to be back Lord Arianitis. My journey to Egypt was eventful and unfortunately quite painful.

Never the less it was of great value and somewhat revealing to say the least.

My wounds will mend, some of our clergymen are expert healers. They are working their miracles on me daily.

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis stands up and addresses the Megas Logothetes:

I would like to remind Grandmaster Ksanthopoulos that my vassal, Ioannis Kantakouzinos, has now reached the rank of Hypatos, and therefore requires a private army.

I also wish to prioritize the upgrading of Yerevan's walls to Large Wooden Walls, so that her population and general usefulness to the empire may flourish.

And finally, I grant you permission to move those two companies of peasant archers out of Dardanellia in order to make up private armies. This is an exception, and not the norm. I expect my permission to be required before such an action happens again.

Ioannis sits down.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios speaks:

The Turkish Jihad army is just outside the range of this city's garrison, we would not be able to reach them this year. Due to the speed their religious fervor gives our foe, even if we blocked them at the ford, they could still reach the city by a second path within the year. Add to this the . . .unpredictable. . . nature of their advance, if my army leaves the city, it runs the risk of being out flanked. I'm not even sure if they would pause to attack a blocking force, so single minded is their purpose.

I am open to suggestions, but my first instinct is to let the Turks come to us. Many enemies have broken themselves on the mighty walls of this city, I aim to aid those heathens to the list.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas:

I would go with your instincts my Lord.

Wait for them. Let their zeal and fanaticism drive them upon our walls.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Angry Efstathios marches in..
Walking towards Methodios he puts hand under his cape..
Fearing something bad will happen few Varangians run between Methodios and Efstathios...
Efstathios stops and takes some papers that were hidden under his cape..

This is madness!! You say that you are chivalrous?! You say that your House is "setting an example for all the known world to follow"?! Is this the reason why your new dog Annios tried to sabotage me?? What a nice example it is!!
And another thing.. It's been said in your Charter Efstathios waves the papers let me quote on you..


B) All members of the House will occupy all settlements.

But you yourself have already violated that rule?? Should you kick yourself out of your own House?

Efstathios spits..

You were not worthy of Kosmas' patronage and help.. You little dog.. Now we all see who you really are.. Trying to create your own little Empire in Egypt!!

[_Tristan_]

And now look who acts the startled maiden ? The same man who repetedly sabotaged one of his fellow Crusaders...

"As you sow, so you shall reap", teaches our Church... You should have heeded that wise advise before following that damnable road...

What proof have you that it was Annios who sabotaged you ? There are many others who could have done it... And need I remind you that Solomon is not "my dog", he's not yet my vassal and I have no command over him.

Create an Empire ? I'm already part of one... And I dare you to question my loyalty to the Basileos... All I seek is to reclaim what was once part of this Empire before internal strife destroyed it... Egypt is a jewel and I will see it returned into the fold...

As for the rules I set for my House, since you are no part of it, you will let its member judge my actions.

[Warmaster Horus]

The sole member of that house is considering abandonning it, Methodios.
The capture of Alexandria was to be the spark that would light the fire of the new House. A chivalrous House, a place of honor and piety. Whilst it is pious, one cannot be sure of its honor.
As you have not yet given your explanations as to why you commited this heinous act, I must wait before deciding. But if it is not satisfactory, then I will be considering the punishments of the Charter.
I would consider expulsion.

[ULC]

Lady Veronica makes her entrance into the Magnaura with the force of a hurricane, her body a controlled inferno, her eyes blazing with fury and the power of the nine circles of hell and the righteous might of the host of heaven, for all men know that hell alone hath no fury like a woman scorned. Her gaze burning gaze glances upon each senator, for if it stayed to long they would most certainly drop dead. Finally her eyes lock upon the Caesar, who only continued to live because she willed it so. In cold tones that were worthy of the highest peaks of the Caucus mountains on the coldest winter night, she spoke with searing venom.

"Caesar Ioannis Komnenos, may I ask why my husband is dead? Why you see the need to send a man from the dregs of society with nothing more to him then puerile joy at killing and the personality of an Ass? Or, if you didn't decide to strike out at your most vocal opponents to your blatant abuse, either because somehow in that inscrutably fevered mind of yours you realized that it was not right or because you truly aren't capable of much more then whining like a child, tell me, why was the assassin wearing YOUR COLORS! Why have I found Evdaemon, a known conspirator with the Organization, in YOUR LIVERY in my husbands chambers standing over his dying body after he had poisoned him!"

Her gaze falls on the Basileus next, no less hard, no less fiery, no less empowered by those circles of hell and heavenly host.

"You said you would protect him Basileus Aleksios. He worked for you, against his better judgment because he was loyal and faithful to the ideals he held, and so he now lies dead for his services. WHY! Do your Varangians always sleep while on watch? Did you get a batch that was incompetent and stupid? Or did my husband simply serve a purpose and he was no longer of any use to you!?"

Lady Veronica then let her eyes fall heavily upon Aleksander, who's seat seemed to want to run away, most likely mirroring the feelings of the man underneath his mask.

"And do not hold your self unaccountable in this Aleksander! He was your brother! That you show nothing, no anguish, no hatred, no remorse or regret, no grief, shows that you are as cold and heartless as an unused hearth! Damn you! All he wanted was to see you, and you deny him that because of your stupid childish political games! Sit there and be impassive you wretch! HE WAS YOUR BROTHER!"

Lady Veronica is an inch from Aleksander face at this moment, and with the uttering of "brother", she slaps him hard across the face. Aleksander turns the cheek, his eyes slightly downcast, and he says nothing in return. Whirling like a firestorm, Lady Veronica's gaze pierced Methodios next.

"And damn you for working and conspiring with this man! Damn you for not telling Iakovos that his brother lived! Damn you Methodios for your selfish pragmatism and willingness to not rise above your peers in the bitter and pointless politics of this less then honorable and tainted senate!"

Lady Veronica turns to storm out, the fire nearly out of her eyes to be replaced by tears.

"Damn all of you! Iakovos deserved better!"

With those words, the fury, sadness, rage, and swirling storm of vengeance and emotion that is Lady veronica exits, and the Magnaura sighs in relief for the poor senators left in her wake.

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios strides into the Senate with his cane. The tap on the marble makes a sound that alternates with his footsteps. While straight and proud, there are circles under his eyes. He checks with the scribes to get caught up and arrives in time to hear Veroncia's outburst.

I grieve for the loss of a good man. But lets not let it cloud our judgment. Anyone can see that someone is trying to frame the Caesar for the death of Iakovos. It seems Iakovos got caught in the middle of a civil war that erupted inside this...'Organization.' And members of this group are trying to now push us to civil war.

Senators, we can not let this group survive. Neither faction. I ask that the Senate declare war upon the Organization. All members, regardless of faction, need to be arrested and put on trial. I see Aleksander is still here. Good. That is one less of them to track down. And any Senator who aids or abetts a member of the Organization should be brought up on charges.

How much longer are we going to allow this group to push this Empire towards a civil war? Everyone knows that the Caesar and I have our differences. But I will not stand here idly by while there is a weak attempt to frame him for murder.

Now, I ask for a moment of silence for Iakovos.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios shakes his head.

It grieves me that Iakovos is dead. However, the blame does not lie at the feet of my son. I doubt an assassin would wear the colors of any House, a rather stupid action, unless it was an attempt at misdirection.

I fear the Organization is picking a convenient target, one who has already garnered the resentment of some in this chamber, for their own means. I hope the Senate can see through such a hollow ploy.

Such a smear reeks of desperation and in response I must quicken my own investigation. With the return of Senator Apionnas, I will soon make my findings known to the Senate.

Edit: Aleksander is a material witness for my investigation. He is under Imperial protection and will not be arrested. I ask for the patience of the Megas Logothetes in this matter.

[Privateerkev]

Once the silence is observed, and a reasonable amount of time passes, Makedonios rises to address the Caesar.

Caesar, with all due respect, you do not exactly have the moral highground to lecture us on breaking the law. You also shelter a man who has exterminated not one, but two settlements.

What Methodios did was wrong, and I want to see him punished, but lets keep things in perspective...

As for your points of bureacracy, I will address each one.

1.) Kantakouzinos's promotion has been noted. An army will be raised this year. So the army can be delivered as fast as possible, it would be helpful if I knew where the Hypatos wants it. There is also a stockpile of archers in Trebizond. I do hope that I can use two of those archers to help make Kantakouzinos's army. If I have to raise all new units, it will mean less money for other things.

2.) The Prioritization has been noted. It will be implemented this year if there is money left over from building and reinforcing private armies. I thank the Caesar for picking a relatively inexpensive building to prioritize.

3.) Do not worry. Making an exception does not override your SOT orders. Your garrison is still "locked" and I would require your permission for each action. Only those two peasant archers will be removed.

*edit*

Turns to the Emperor.

He can be a witness in chains just as well as without. I ask that your men put chains on him immediately. After he helps you with your case, I wish for him to stand trial for the crime of forming a vast criminal enterprise.

[ULC]

After observing the moment of silence, Aleksander stares into the depths, deeply thinking. Finally, he surfaces from plumbing the darkness of his thoughts.

"I would like to apologize on behalf of any in this senate who have been scorned, persecuted, or mislead through my actions and the actions of the Organization. I owe far to much to those who have felt there touch, and I owe more to my brother then I can ever give. Aleksios speaks the truth, the Caesar is being framed, there is no argument there. I did not wish to raise anyone's ire by my words, and I will let the Basileus speak the truth, but if you want to start arresting senate and Organization members, I suggest you take your plan of action in to consideration. The list of those who have had involvement, whether it be fleeting or even mere contact, with the Organization includes Hypatios, Kalameteros, Apionnas, Anna, Kosmas, Markianos, Methodios, Vissarionis, the Patriarch, Makedonios, the Basileus, Pavlos, Lady Veronica, Savvas, Michail, Annios, Nikephorus, and, although mere speculation and rumor, Efstratios. As noted, several of these senators are dead, either through natural causes or a through the Organizations hand, one does not know. I would like to remind the Senate that this list is tentative, as well as being only a list of those who have had at least contact with the Organization, one should never be to hasty in dismissing it. I will defer to the Basileus's will now. If he wishes for me to be imprisoned, then so be it. I have no reason and no defense now for not being locked up and forgotten. And I would like to apologize for the death of my brother, Iakovos.

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios fixes Aleksander with a hard stare.

No, I meant those who continue to give aid and comfort to Organization members.

Yes, your list makes clear that many of us were contacted by your minions. Most of us rejected your ridiculous claims and petty threats. Or do you think that we forgot that your people threatened the life of a baby girl? The granddaughter of the Emperor?

All of you in the 'Organization' make me sick...

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas stands slowly and leans behind the Basileus for a few moments, obviously discussing something of reasonable depth.

Once finished he takes a seat just to the side and behind Aleksios.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Now.. since I have never had any connections with this 'Organization' then I have to say that perhaps the Senate can give me the powers to hunt down and execute all those Members of the 'Organization! I'll do it with great pleasure.. I probably would start with.. Methodios or Annios..

Fiendish smile crossed Efstathios' face while saying that..

[_Tristan_]

Then I wish you good luck, Laskaris... The prey may not be who you believe...

[ULC]

Aleksander shakes his head.

"Makedonios, you seem to forget one of your own statements. I cannot be held responsible on every account for what my men do, as you to cannot be held responsible on every account for what your men do, or do you wish to bring up Antioch, or Vissa's letters to the senate? In either case, no threat was ever issued, only from what I have been told, a warning. The man whom gave this warning did so from the belief that Symeon would come after the children in general of the Empire. This mans name is Ignatios, a fervent supporter of the Orthodox faith, a benefactor of Kosmas, and the man who helped Apionnas in his investigation upon my suggestion. If Kosmas were alive today, would you put him in chains? What of Apionnas? Would you hang him for the good works he has done the Empire with the help of Ignatios? Not all of us are as twisted and evil as some would believe."

[Kagemusha]

Kantakouzinos turns towards Makedonias and says.

"If Megas would be so kind and check with his scribes, the orders i have left are at the appropriate scrolls. He would find out that i want my private army to be assembled in Tblisi. I also thank Caesar for prioritizing Yerevans walls as important building work."

After a small brake Kantakouzinos continues, with sharp tone in his voice.

"That other remark to Caesar is completely inappropriate. Hypatios Machonios is a valued member of Komnenodoukai and my vassal. He has suffered much for his earlier actions, loosing almost everything. If you are attacking him with hypocritical comments, you are attacking the Komnenodoukai. He is one of us and we will not tolerate treating him like some outcast."

[Privateerkev]

Tbilisi it is then.

As for my comments about Hypatios, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of sheltering a man who exterminated 2 settlements while condemning a man who sacked 1.

[woad&fangs]

Laskaris, I advice you to cease this slander. What you did to me was not merely sabotage. It was attempted murder on me and all of my men. If Methodious had not helped us rebuild our ship then we would have floated about until all of us were dead from scurvy.

I, on the other hand, have not once put your life in jeopardy. I warned you about the poisoned water so you would not drink it. Breaking the axle of the great cross, which may I add you have made a mockery of, never put you in danger. If you had followed the signs than you would have remained safely in the Nile delta. I fail to see how you were ever placed in danger by my actions.

Now you attempt to murder me again by accusing me of being part of this "Organization"! I am not nor was I ever part of this group. My patience with you ran out years ago. The only reason I don't kill you here and now is because weapons are forbidden in the Magnaura. The only reason I don't march out and kill you and the rest of your slimy army in Egypt is because I'm needed in Alexandria to maintain order. But, if you want me dead so badly, then march your sorry excuse for an army over to Alexandria and I will gladly rip your throat wide open in battle!

[Privateerkev]

No Aleksander but you can be held responsible for what you have done. Your the one that created a powerful criminal group outside of the law. You need to be held accountable.

Now, there is nothing else to say on the matter until you are called by the Emperor as a witness.

[pevergreen]

"Dear Sir, surely you are not saying I have had contact with this group.

I merely asked the recently deceased if this "House" that he planned to create was part of the Organisation, indeed, he denied all knowledge of such an organisiation."

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios walks into the Senate. He is clearly not happy. He walks to the center of the room while his aids hand out copies of a document.

Senators,

A very disturbing letter fell into my hands this morning. Copies of the letter are being distributed to you by my aids. This letter was sent to Pavlos and Kalameteros by the Caesar. While the sender begged me to keep it quiet, I simply can not. For years I've been trying to prevent a civil war while the Caesar has apparantly been hell-bent on starting one. If I kept this quiet, these things would just continue behind the scenes. Now that it is out in the open, the Caesar will be forced to do his evil in the open. Instead of in the dark like a snake.


Greetings, dear friends.

I will soon ascend to the throne. The Order have insulted me and the royal family flagrantly and yet we have been powerless to bring them to account.

What is more, the Order have shown themselves increasingly disloyal as a whole.

For the good and stability of both the empire and the nobles, I have a proposal I wish to offer to the both of you.

It is simply this:

As soon as I ascend to throne, we three form a Triumvirate. The Order's insults are a legitimate and just causus belli for us to declare them traitors and their land confiscated. Once we have defeated them, we shall be able to redistribute the land of the empire amongst ourselves. If the independent nobles, such as Methodios and Micail remain out of the conflict, then they shall keep their land. If they cast their lot with the Order, then their land shall be forfeit too.

As a result, the Asteri would control the western half of the Empire, the Komnenodoukai the East, and the Imperial family the centre plus all the patriarchates.

This would require some exchanging of land between House Asteri and House Komnenodoukai, but I'm sure negotiations could be entered into.

Imperial Provinces:
Constantinople
Rome
Nicaea
Dardanellia
Antioch
Jerusalem
Alexandria

House Asteri:

Athens
Thessalonica
Corinth
Arta
Dyracchion
Belgrade
Bucharest
Rhodes
Zagreb
Sofia

House Komnenodoukai:

Sinop
Caesarea
Smyrna
Adana
Tblisi
Yerevan
Nicosia
Diyarbakir
Aleppo

We would then control the Magnaura and be able to propose legislation which would change the structure of the empire.

War may only be declared by the Basileus.
All new provinces are at the disposal of the Basileus.
The cities of Rome and Constantinople can never be held by anyone but the Basileus.
The Basileus army consists of a minimum of 8 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.
The Imperial Fleet is under the command of the Basileus.
The Imperial Fleet consists of a minimum of 8 ships.
The Caesar’s army consists of a minimum of 6 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.
A member of the House Asteri is always the Lord High Chancellor
A member of the House Komnenodoukai is always the Lord High Steward
The Caesar always holds the Privy Seal.
The leaders of the Asteri and Komnenodoukai are on the Basileus’ Privy Council along with the Caesar.
Constantinople alone can recruit Varangian Guards.
The House Asteri commands the Western Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.
The House Komnenodoukai commands the Eastern Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.

What say you, my loyal friends?

Ioannis Komnenos,
Caesar of the Romans.

I am as of now announcing certain things. I am freezing the building and recruitment of every member of House Komnenodoukai. Unfortunately this letter reached me after I had already authorized certain buildings and troops in Komnenodoukai settlements. Rest assured those will be the last you see. If any of them want to benefit from the Empire's coffers, then they need to break their oaths to Komnenodoukai. Or Komnenodoukai as a whole needs to break from the Caesar.

If I so much as catch a whiff of other people's armies heading to the Levant, I will boost the Order's armies to immense strength. If I feel threatened, I will declare war on those I feel threatened by so I no longer have to provide certain legal support. If there is war, I will pump up the armies of my allies, and do everything I can to retard those of the enemy.

I had sent both the Emperor and the Caesar an 'olive branch'. Now I know why the Caesar never replied. I have been working behind the scenes to support the Royal Family and protect it's members from the Organization. I have even provided the Caesar with the names of two spies in his House that I am aware of. I have been loyal to the current Emperor and have done what he has asked. The Caesar's move is nothing more than a blatant power grab at our expense. While we are at war with no less than three kingdoms, the Caesar is more concerned with killing his own people.

Now, let us have a very public debate about this. Civil war would be absolute madness. Our enemies would rejoice as we busy ourselves killing each other. They would be waiting on the edges, looking to take advantage of our weakness. We can achieve great things if we all stick together. But if we turn on each other, we risk losing everything.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios goes pale and appears thunderstruck.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas raises and eyebrow, leans back in his chair, places his hands behind his head and lets out a long even breath.

I'm certain I could produce letters that were equally damaging to certain persons here in the Chamber.

How is this not anther attempt to frame people for things they have not done?

[Privateerkev]

Then let the Caesar come in here and refute it.

[AussieGiant]

So playing along with this, what happens after he comes in here and says: "I refute it."

[OverKnight]

Summoning his reserves, the Basileus is able to calm his features. He speaks very, very quietly:

I too would like to hear my son's explanation.

His gaze shifts to Makedonios.

This is alarming, however I expect you to fulfill your obligations as Megas Logothetes. (OOC: Keep to the OOC rules and remember the case of the French Prince.)

He slowly looks over the entire chamber.

If I catch even a whiff of insurrection from anyone, I will not hesitate to act.

[Privateerkev]

Addresses Apionnas.

Then I think some very interesting conversations will result. If he refuted it, then he is basically saying that the person (or persons) who sent the letter to me is a liar. That person(s) would be put on the spot.

Civil war is not something that should be plotted about in the dark shadows. If there is to be one, let it be out in the open.

I will take the chance to say the letter is in his handwriting with his seal. (OOC: which means it was a forwarded PM.)

His handwriting and seal are a matter of public record. It would be most difficult for someone to fake. Plus, it fits with all of the other actions he has made over the decades. The threatening letters. The criminal neglect during his Megas term. The sinking of resources into a shiny new army for himself that he refuses to get dirty.

No, I believe the letter is his. And I believe he means what he says. If he wants war, let him come in here and declare war. Instead of being a coward...

Addresses the Emperor.

I will fulfill my duties as Megas. In the case of the Caesar's House, I will only fulfill them to the letter and not one inch more. Until I am satisfied that Pavlos has rejected the Caesar and his proposal.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If Caesar starts the Civil War then I will side with Makedonios.. I always knew that he is a shady character.. Unfortunately he still has his head on his shoulders..

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios glares.

Efstathios, do not forget yourself...

There will be no threats made. I want civil war averted, not provoked.

[AussieGiant]

Turning to the Megas

May I see this letter?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I don't want Civil War either..
But even thinking of starting one should be punished..
But what more can I say..
Efstathios shakes his head and sighs..
This is madness! This is Byzantium!

[OverKnight]

The Basileus begins to drum his fingers on the Throne, the sound echoes throughout the Magnaura.

[Ramses II CP]

To one side of the chamber there is clearly a hushed conference of the various Imperial scribes going on. At one point an especially large and surly looking scribe obviously threatens physical violence against another. Two more simply leave the room. At last a wizened, white haired man, visibly long in the service of the Empire, joins the group and silences the rest. He takes a letter bearing the seal of Vissarionas ek Lesvou from the hands of one of the lesser scribes, tears it into long strips, and, with the help of a tall glass of water, swallows them. Then he moves to the senate floor to address the body and reads from another sheet of paper, the contents of which cannot be seen.

Greetings noble Senators,

As I, Vissarionas ek Lesvou, have pointed out repeatedly down the years the Caesar has been manipulating this body and indeed this whole Empire to serve his end of destroying all the gains we have made in his father's time. He has thrown down every rule and law he chanced to come across in service to this goal. Do not pretend to be surprised, for you have been warned time and again that this day would come.

I beg you now, gentlemen, do not let this pass by unheeded. No sane man seeks a war within the Empire, nor, for all that I find the Caesar to lack the qualities necessary in a leader, or a man, do I wish the man himself any harm. Instead let us merely unite in condemning this madness, and make clear to this man that his actions will not be tolerated. Make it abundantly clear to him that war against one part of the Empire is war against the whole of the Empire.

Let him know that even an Emperor can be a rebel if all his people oppose him.

God save Basileus Aleksios Komnenos, and God save the Roman Empire!

Vissarionas ek Lesvou

Carefully folding the sheet of paper he read from the old scribe then walks slowly out of the room, answering no questions and turning aside for no one.

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

Frowning at yet another letter from Vissarionas ek Lesvou, Apoionas stands.

I'm tiring of this clear charade of provocation and incitement from Vissarionas ek Lesvou. He seems to assume that distance equals some facade of safety. It certainly does not in my view.

I ask that the Imperial Administration or the Megas contacts him directly in order for him to present himself here for direct questioning by me as to his whereabouts and activities between the years 1106 and 1109!

[Privateerkev]

I have seen nothing wrong with Vissa's last two letters. As for your request that he come for questioning, you can make it to the Emperor or simply ask Vissa himself. My office has no authority of it's own to bring in witnesses to the Senate. The Office of the Megas acts as an enforcement arm of the Senate itself. If the Emperor requests it, or if there is an Edict, then I will act.

[AussieGiant]

I'm not particularly interested in anyone's opinion of his last two letters.

You are the Grand Master and head of the house he is a member of. Is it not possible in that capacity to ask him to present himself here?

[Privateerkev]

I am not particularly interested in your opinion of my opinion of his last two letters.

I could ask him to be here if I was convinced his presence was needed.

I know you and the Emperor are building a case against the Patriarch. And it is obvious that Vissa fits into that case. If you two have a case, then make it. Call him as an official witness.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarchal Representative:

Hearsay and lies, none of which can be proven. What they are doing would shame any legitimate prosecutor.

[AussieGiant]

You're a particularly pedantic individual Lord Ksanthopoulos, in addition you seem wholly arrogant in your approach to a simple request.

How the Emperor or I wish to proceed in any investigation is entirely at our own direction and not subject to how you seem to wish it.

I've asked you as the head of the house if you can request his presence here. I would say that is not beyond the bounds of what can be consider reasonable.

It seems that is beyond you at this point in time, or at least beneath what you consider important in your current position.

If that is the case then please state so formally if this is not too much trouble?

Apionnas smiles ruefully at the Patriarchal Representative.

I was certainly not expecting such an early appearance your Grace. It seems the a simple brushing of the Orthodox cage has elicited a response.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarchal Representative:

Yes, the "Orthodox cage" has been brushed. You speak of it as if you are not one of us.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry Apionnas but I do not recognize your authority to subpoena witnesses. If you have this power, please point out the relevant section of the Rules. If you don't, then you are merely grandstanding.

So, either ask the entire Senate or the Emperor to subpoena Vissa. Or convince me that his presence is absolutely essential.

You have done none of the three. Now, if you have nothing more of substance to say on the matter, I consider the matter closed until the Emperor wishes to make his case.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Appionas, is this some kind of 'secret' investigation that you conduct?
If not then I, as a Senator, demand you to show me all materials and evidence that you have found so far.
If you don't then I'll propose an Edict the next Senate Session that will force you show all those evidence.

Now.. About this Caesars letter.. Where is he anyway?? Hiding in one of his cities?? Could Basileus sent a word that he would come here and answer to these accusations and the reason why he wrote that letter! Only a mad man would do that! Only a mad man would want to drive our Empire into Civil War!
I, as a Senator, demand that he would be brought here!!

About the sack of Alexandria.. We shouldn't forget this! People are talking over the letter and Caesar but they have forgotten what Methodios did! So far he haven't heard any good reason why he did what he did. He shouldn't get away from punishment!

[AussieGiant]

Can we dispense with comments about an investigation. One has not been called as far as I can remember. It seems more than a few people are making assumptions about things.

I do not think it is beyond the bounds of one senator to ask questions of another, independent of any investigation here in this chamber. Especially this chamber actually.

Is anyone refuting this claim?

Does this need to be discussed at length using more pedantic reasoning, or can we make the assumption that the Magnaura is a place to discuss and inquire into the activities of the Empire.

Something I think we can all agree to no?

Turning to the Megas

Yet again your demeanour is extremely condescending Lord Megas. "A" matter is not closed simply because you wish it.

So I ask again, can Lord Vissa be requested to attend here personally by the Head of his house or not?

[Privateerkev]

After hearing Efstathios

Yes, lets look at the letter some more for it truly gives us insight into the man's mind.

Aides kindly distribute the copies again in case the newly arrived Senators have not seen it.

Greetings, dear friends.

I will soon ascend to the throne. The Order have insulted me and the royal family flagrantly and yet we have been powerless to bring them to account.

What is more, the Order have shown themselves increasingly disloyal as a whole.

For the good and stability of both the empire and the nobles, I have a proposal I wish to offer to the both of you.

It is simply this:

As soon as I ascend to throne, we three form a Triumvirate. The Order's insults are a legitimate and just causus belli for us to declare them traitors and their land confiscated. Once we have defeated them, we shall be able to redistribute the land of the empire amongst ourselves. If the independent nobles, such as Methodios and Micail remain out of the conflict, then they shall keep their land. If they cast their lot with the Order, then their land shall be forfeit too.

As a result, the Asteri would control the western half of the Empire, the Komnenodoukai the East, and the Imperial family the centre plus all the patriarchates.

This would require some exchanging of land between House Asteri and House Komnenodoukai, but I'm sure negotiations could be entered into.

Imperial Provinces:
Constantinople
Rome
Nicaea
Dardanellia
Antioch
Jerusalem
Alexandria

House Asteri:

Athens
Thessalonica
Corinth
Arta
Dyracchion
Belgrade
Bucharest
Rhodes
Zagreb
Sofia

House Komnenodoukai:

Sinop
Caesarea
Smyrna
Adana
Tblisi
Yerevan
Nicosia
Diyarbakir
Aleppo

We would then control the Magnaura and be able to propose legislation which would change the structure of the empire.

War may only be declared by the Basileus.
All new provinces are at the disposal of the Basileus.
The cities of Rome and Constantinople can never be held by anyone but the Basileus.
The Basileus army consists of a minimum of 8 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.
The Imperial Fleet is under the command of the Basileus.
The Imperial Fleet consists of a minimum of 8 ships.
The Caesar’s army consists of a minimum of 6 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.
A member of the House Asteri is always the Lord High Chancellor
A member of the House Komnenodoukai is always the Lord High Steward
The Caesar always holds the Privy Seal.
The leaders of the Asteri and Komnenodoukai are on the Basileus’ Privy Council along with the Caesar.
Constantinople alone can recruit Varangian Guards.
The House Asteri commands the Western Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.
The House Komnenodoukai commands the Eastern Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.

What say you, my loyal friends?

Ioannis Komnenos,
Caesar of the Romans.

First, lets look at the provinces the Caesar wants to own personally:


Imperial Provinces:
Constantinople
Rome
Nicaea
Dardanellia
Antioch
Jerusalem
Alexandria

By having Rome and Jerusalem on there, the Caesar is making clear that he wishes to declare war on both the Holy Roman Empire and the Papacy. Also, I see Alexandria is on the list. I am sure Methodios would be thrilled about that...

Now lets look at the provinces he promises to House Asteri:


House Asteri:

Athens
Thessalonica
Corinth
Arta
Dyracchion
Belgrade
Bucharest
Rhodes
Zagreb
Sofia

From the presence of Zagreb, it is clear that the Caesar wants to declare war on the Venetians as well. Also, I see Sofia and Bucharest on here. Something tells me that Senator Apionnas and the current Emperor were not consulted before this list was made...

Now lets look at what the Caesar has in mind for legislation:


War may only be declared by the Basileus.

So, the Senate will no longer be able to pass Edicts declaring war? A blatant power grab...


All new provinces are at the disposal of the Basileus.

This means that House Leaders will no longer be able to distribute provinces to their own vassals. They would have to go begging to the Basileus even though it was their own armies that conquered the settlements.


The Basileus army consists of a minimum of 8 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.

The Emperor already gets a Royal Army.


The Imperial Fleet is under the command of the Basileus.
The Imperial Fleet consists of a minimum of 8 ships.

Fleets are under control of the Megas. The Emperor already has a way to get ships under his command.


The Caesar’s army consists of a minimum of 6 infantry units, 2 missile units, 2 heavy cavalry units, and two artillery units.

The Caesar already gets a Royal Army.


A member of the House Asteri is always the Lord High Chancellor
A member of the House Komnenodoukai is always the Lord High Steward
The leaders of the Asteri and Komnenodoukai are on the Basileus’ Privy Council along with the Caesar.
Constantinople alone can recruit Varangian Guards.
The House Asteri commands the Western Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.
The House Komnenodoukai commands the Eastern Legion, which consists of 12 infantry units, 2 missile units, 3 cavalry units, and 2 artillery units.

This basically destroys the chance of there ever being more Houses. The Caesar is trying to bribe these two House Leaders in order to secure despotic power for himself.

The Caesar wishes war on the Papacy, Venice, and the Holy Roman Empire. While also killing his own people. Not to mention the fact that we are already at war with the Moors, Turks, and Fatimids.

If he gets to implement this plan, he will rule a throne high up upon a pile of skulls...

Addresses Apionnas.

Convince me why he needs to be present.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I congratulate the Order for taking Cairo!

The Crusade is over now!

[_Tristan_]

Also, I see Alexandria is on the list. I am sure Methodios would be thrilled about that...

And the Caesar and better be prepared to get it over my dead body...



About the sack of Alexandria.. We shouldn't forget this! People are talking over the letter and Caesar but they have forgotten what Methodios did! So far he haven't heard any good reason why he did what he did. He shouldn't get away from punishment!

I never intended to get away from punishment... But I'll expect a fair jugdment and sanction... Machonios got off lightly by getting kicked out of House but keeping his lands... And that was for killing more than 6000 people.

Anyway, our scouts should now have brought you reports of what truly happened at Alexandria and why I acted the way I did...

(OOC : battle report is up)

[Cecil XIX]

Senator Vringas, you can send a letter to Vissarionas, can you not? If he is unwilling to answer your questions by letter, than the Grandmaster cannot force him to answer your questions in person merely by request. To have him suffer such a disgrace would require, as the Megas Logothetes has pointed out, either a decree from the Magnaura, a decree from the Basileus, or a uniquely compelling and urgent reason.

As for the letter from the Caesar, I shall wait until he presents his defense before going into specifics.

Still, there is one thing I must say: We need disagreement. That is a requirement of all civilizations. Every idea that makes it's way into these chambers must be allowed to be opposed, with reason or what have you, else it becomes impossible to strike down the bad ideas and praise the good.

I should hope that there are none in this change who see such disagreements as indicative of treason. I will not bore with platitudes about how it instead indicative of loyalty and patriotism, but as I said it is indeed necessary for an empire to function.

[ULC]

Aleksander leans back in his chair and sighs, clearly bored. A knowing, smug smile crosses his face when the Caesar's treasonous letter is announced to the senate, and Aleksander shakes his head in mild disbelief.

[AussieGiant]

Nodding to Armatos ek Naksou.

I believe you are correct Senator Armatos. However rather than write a letter I will simply frame the question here for official records in the Magnaura.

I, Senator Apionnas Vringas, would like a detailed answer as to the whereabouts, activities and relations Senator Vissarionas was conducting through the years 1106 to 1109.

I would also like to state that the Caesar is not helping matters by leaving these accusations go unanswered. Back room dealing leave substantial room for others to interpret the situation as it benefits them most.

[Warmaster Horus]

If the Caesar will not come, then so be it. We can judge him without his presence. I realise this may be somewhat illegal, but treason is worse, no? And that letter is damning.

Methodios, I have not forgotten Alexandria, and I understand that others have been let off rather lightly. The Caesar was never punished for neglecting the Order (and look what this has brought us to), Machonios got off lightly for the death of 6000 people, but that doesn't mean we can't start making the law work now. Once I have read the reports in detail, I will see what sanction is appropriate.

[Ferret]

House Asteri:

Athens
Thessalonica
Corinth
Arta
Dyracchion
Belgrade
Bucharest
Rhodes
Zagreb
Sofia

Judging from the fact that Rhodes is also on this list I guess the Ceaser would like to dispose of me?
I'm going to have to reconsider my membership of the Komnendoukai while such a blatant idiot commands it.

[Privateerkev]

You mean the Caesar didn't consult you when he decided to bargain your province away? Remarkable...

[Warmaster Horus]

Hypatios, I would suggest all here reconsider their position vis-a-vis the Komnenodoukai, in particular its leader.

[Privateerkev]

I have sent Pavlos a letter concerning the matter. I know he received it but he has yet to reply. If he doesn't reply, I will have no choice but to assume that he fully condones and approves of the Caesar's plan.

If he does condone the Caesar's plan, I strongly suggest that all members of that House search their souls and think about if they really want to be a part of an event that would rip this Empire apart.

[ULC]

Nikolaos Aristenos walks into the Magnaura with a slightly off gait, and the smell of a tavern on a winters night on him. He walks to his new open seat, and unceremoniously plops himself down into it. He then uses his desk as an ottoman, leans back in his chair, takes a swig from a flask, pulls his hood down, and rests his eyes.

[Motep]

"I renounce my oath to my Brother, the caesar."

Andronikos' voice rang with barely contained fury, and his hand twitched at his side as he left the council chamber.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Efstathios smiles..

Good! At least someone in the Komnendoukai is man enough to do something! And it's Caesars own brother!

[deguerra]

Ioannis once again enters the Senate and starts in a quiet voice

If it was not obvious, the letter the Grandmaster presented was sent to myself. If anyone would like to question its origin, do so now.

His expression becomes weary

Presenting it here is a breach of trust to Caesar Ioannis, and for that I am sorry. The letter was obviously in confidence. Ioannis is my brother and I love him. But I fear he has become misguided.

Perhaps there were better ways of dealing with the situation. To be perfectly honest, I was shocked by the proposal. Shocked for several reasons.

First, because the Caesar is promulgating Civil War. This ought to be obvious enough.

Second, because the Caesar is asking me to make assurances and deals over settlements that I have no personal control over, but which are owned by my vassals. The assumption that I could deal with them as I pleases annoyed me.

Thirdly, because the Caesar included settlements belonging to Senators not aligned with the natural opponents in any civil war.

Lastly, because of the far-reaching, and quite frankly extortionate powers promulgated in the last point.

Perhaps, in my shock, my action will be viewed as rash with hindsight. Perhaps it will cost me and mine dearly. But I have always respected the power of this august body, and I could not stand by without the Senate having seen this.

I have made my opinions on the Empire very clear during the last election. I strongly believe in them, and I am certain they are the way forward.

The Caesar's proposal went against everything I stated in those opinions. I suppose, in that way, my reaction should come as no surprise.

My allegiance remains to the Basileos, who as far as I am aware had no knowledge of this, and to the Empire.

Two more things must be said.

The first concerns Pavlos Chrysovergos' reply. Pavlos was the other recipient of this letter, the only other recipient I know of.

His reply was passed on to me by the Caesar as "favourable". However, this is inaccurate. Pavlos stated his opposition to civil war. While acknowledging his dislike of the Order, and the rewards a war against them might bring, he remained opposed to that idea. The only favourable response he gave was that he agreed that cooperation in voting power between the Komnenodouaki and Asteri and the Basileos was important and a "pillar of power in the years to come." He concluded with saying that while he would join in this power, anything further was beyond consideration at the moment.

I therefore form the opinion that this is not an favourable agreement, that Pavlos gave no clear intention to join in this scheme and that the only thing we should hold against him is that he did not disclose the scheme, which can be forgiven, I think, considering the Caesar is his Lord.

The second then, obviously concerns the Caesar.

To be perfectly frank I do not know what should be done.

The judicial powers of this Senate have been sorely lacking in the past. I was up to me to punish Hypatios, rule-breaking went unheeded and it seems unlikely Methodios will answer for Alexandria. I hate to say it, but somebody must, as a court of law we have failed miserably.

There are then, two options. Either we, as the Senate, come to our collective senses and decide together what is best as a reaction. It is time this body futhfill its function as a court, and what better case to start us off than this. If it is necessary, I will call an Emergency Senate Session to make this happen.

The other is that we ask the Basileos, who has proved somewhat reluctant in the past, if I may say so, or make our own individual judgments which will result in nothing but ridiculous outcomes.

It should be obvious which I prefer.

[Privateerkev]

I've spoken at length about the Caesar so I will set that aside for the moment.

I wish to make Methodios an offer. Cairo is a powder keg right now. His skill as a governor is well known. If he agrees to govern Cairo, it might help minimize the riots that are inevitable.

See, the Order followed the law and occupied the great city. If Methodios helps us out, it would go a long way towards atoning for sacking Alexandria.

I will make clear that I am considering moving Methodios's army into Cairo whether he agrees or not. Cairo has very little public order right now and we will need every soldier we can get. But if he agrees to come in himself, and govern, it would help.

Because Alexandria is itself in need of more order, I have already arranged for assistance. Efstathios has selflessly agreed to help Annios maintain order in Alexandria while Methodios helps us in Cairo.

If the men in Egypt are going to succeed, they will need to work together. So, I have no problem rewarding the Crusaders who work together and punishing the ones who won't.

Since this body has refused to try the Caesar for breaking the Rules, and has basically given Hypatios a slap on the wrist for exterminating two settlements, I will ask that the issue on Methodios be closed if he takes my deal. I assure you he will take governing someone else's settlement as punishment...

[flyd]

Having arrived several hours ago to make a statement about the civil war issue, Isaakios Komnenos has finally gotten around to it. Or he might put it off some more. It doesn't seem critical that he should make his point right now. But he might as well. Alright, alright, he stands to make his statement.

It saddens me to see that civil war is still seen as a viable option by which to pursue political goals, even though the turmoil it brings has been well documented throughout history. There should be no issue that cannot be solved within the framework of our charter, and power should only be gained at the expense of our enemies. By 'enemies' I mean external enemies, but I should not even need to specify that, as those are the only enemies we should have.

Caesar Ioannis has erred, there is no doubt. Still, his thoughts (to call them 'plans' would be too much) are the only ones that have been made public. I would guess that many Senators consider or have considered civil war a valid solution for something: if you try to claim that in the discussions with your allies you have never uttered the phrase, "if that happens, we will have to declare war," then you are lying. And 'have to' declare war is just a poorly disguised equivalent of 'want to', because as I've said, there should be no issue that cannot be solved peacefully. The legislative power of this body is limitless and unchecked, but it requires cooperation of multiple Senators: as it should be. Whoever you are, you are not important enough to set policy by yourself, and certainly have no moral right to do it by force.

The time has come to renounce civil war as a political instrument. I call upon all the Senators who care about the stability and prosperity of the Empire more than their personal gain to formally declare the following:

1. I will never initiate a civil war, for any reason.
2. If one of my superiors initiates a civil war, I will declare Neutrality per Rule 5.3.
3. If one of my subordinates initiates a civil war, I will not support him.
4. I will support measures to bring those who initiate a civil war to legislative justice.

For my part, I make these declarations, and ask all other Senators loyal to the Empire to do the same, so that all others show their true colors.

Having done a whole three minutes of speech-giving, Isaakios is relieved to sit down.

[OverKnight]

The Basileus has been deep in thought, ignoring the chaos around him. Suddenly he stands, a grim look on his face. His stony gaze settles on the Patriarchal Represenative.

It is past time that I talked with your Master. Let us go see him, you can make the introductions.

Aleksios signals to the Varangians.

Guards, seize him. We're going for a walk.

The Patriarchal Represenative feebly protests as he is forcibly removed from the chamber. The Basileus follows him out of the Senate.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarchal Representative:

Ack! Unhand me, you damned, dirty apes! Executive abuse! Executive abuse!

*The Representative's further cries are muted as he is dragged off.*

[pevergreen]

Michail's face has gone white at the news he is given after coming the Magnaura.

"Perhaps I have chosen the wrong House..."

[Kagemusha]

Kantakouzinos says with a cold voice without hint of emotion.

"I would surely also like to hear what Caesar has to say about this letter. The letter sounds like treason from the heir of the throne and malicious towards both the senate and individual senators, including some of Komnenodoukai. I support strong central government, but not tyranny."

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Efstathios raises..
Isaakios, that is a good proposal. And I agree with those points.
So I declare the following:


1. I will never initiate a civil war, for any reason.
2. If one of my superiors initiates a civil war, I will declare Neutrality per Rule 5.3.
3. If one of my subordinates initiates a civil war, I will not support him.
4. I will support measures to bring those who initiate a civil war to legislative justice.

It's good to see that the younger sons of the Basileus are much more reasonable and looks like more chivalrous too than the eldest one. Perhaps the power is changing people and making them mad?

He smiles and nods towards Isaakios and Andronikos..

[Dafuge]

My scribe has just filled me in on what has happened. I am shocked. Anyway I would like to welcome myself to the Royal family. I hope we can be civil together.

[Motep]

(I left...:sweatdrop:)

Anronikos reentered the room, his face red, and his right hand dripping with blood. He took his seat, wiped off his hand, and, wincing, looked through his sheaf of papers.

[Kagemusha]

"I would like to apologize Megas of my clumsy orders, that forced his hands to destroy the fortress from my domain. In other context thou, i would like to thank him for thinking of quality of my private army and providing me with better archers i currently have. I have left the peasant archers behind, so the coffers of the Empire wont be emptied because of spending for my army. Also i would like to raise the issue that my feudal masters, Pavlos Chrysovergos private army is sorely lacking in troops, because the garrison of Yerevan has to have now more troops to compensate from the loss of the strategic fort in my domain."

[Ibn-Khaldun]

A message is brought to Magnaura..

https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/TW%20games/noble_death.jpg

[OverKnight]

Aleksios enters the Magnaur.

It is a sad day for us. Senator Laskaris gave his life for what he believed in: service to God and the Empire.

[Privateerkev]

Ioannis Kantakouzinos,

You have deliberately broken our laws when you moved that cavalry. I have sent my agents to the unit and issued them their discharge papers. They are now gone. I have also moved the archers into your army. Your army is now up to code.

But I will bring consequences upon you for breaking the law.

Makedonios hears of Efstathios's death.

I'd like to give my heartfelt condolences to House Asteri.

May Efstathios rest in peace.

[_Tristan_]

Methodios rises, his face bearing a mourning look.

A sad day indeed, the sands of Alexandria have known their fair share of Greek blood tese past years...

Laskaris' life may not have been for the best, but at least he knew how to die...

Turning to Annios Solomon

Avenge Laskaris...

I know he was no friend of yours but he died doing something just and true and died a true warrior's death...

Show these brigands what it costs to defy the power of the Empire.

Bring them down.

[Kagemusha]

Ioannis Kantakouzinos,

You have deliberately broken our laws when you moved that cavalry. I have sent my agents to the unit and issued them their discharge papers. They are now gone. I have also moved the archers into your army. Your army is now up to code.

But I will bring consequences upon you for breaking the law.

Makedonios hears of Efstathios's death.

I'd like to give my heartfelt condolences to House Asteri.

May Efstathios rest in peace.

"You gave clear permission to move those archers and you cant seize anything from my army.Im not braking any rules.So dont cry now when you get your own medicine.And what about Pavlos Chrysovergos army.Its lacking both cavalry and archers?"

[Privateerkev]

Those Alan Cav were not yours to move. I legally reclaimed them. I recruited a replacement.

As for Pavlos's army, I will talk to him about it. You will not be involved and it is quite simply none of your concern.

For breaking the rules, I will bring consequences on you. If you keep it up, I will extend those consequences to your vassals until they leave you.

[OverKnight]

The Basileus stands.

There are important matters of Justice to attend to within the Empire that will not wait until the end of the term. Therefore I am declaring an Emergency Session of the Senate open. The exact length of the Session I will leave to the Protoasecretes.

First, I must deal with the regretful letter sent by my son, Ioannis, proposing a move against the Order of St. John and a realignment of the Empire. While a letter is not a declaration of Civil War and certainly not a violent act in itself, it shows extremely poor judgement. There must be repercussions.

Therefore I propose:

Charter Amendment E2.1: Clause (11) under the powers of the Basileus in the Charter will be amended to read as follows (changes in bold):

(11) Once during his reign, the Basileus may automatically assume the post of Megas Logothetes. The Basileus must declare he is exercising that right at a Senate session; he will then be appointed Megas Logothetes with no election. This right can only be invoked once, but the Basileus may also compete in normal Megas Logothetes elections at other Senate Sessions. However, Ioannis Komnenos (OOC: Family tree spot 2.1) is barred from automatically assuming the post of Megas Logothetes.

This will prevent my heir from pursuing his proposal. If he wishes to become Megas Logothetes again, he must do so with the support of the Senate. To accomplish this he will have to show qualities of cooperation and compromise, something at odds with his present behavior. In short he will have to earn a position of leadership. I hope this will allow him to become a better ruler.

If the Senate wishes to pursue other matters of Justice, they may do so. I have heard complaints bandied about concerning the actions of various Senators, now is the time to make your case. However please do so in a respectful manner. (OOC: This isn't a Session for massive rule changes, TC will address those during the next regular Session.)

Aleksios pauses and then speaks more quietly.

I will also be addressing the future of the Patriarch of Alexandria later in the Session.

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios was busy reading various letters when the Emperor started speaking. Stunned by the news, the normally vocal Grandmaster just sits there. He can not believe what he had just heard. He tries to think of something to say. He thinks water might help. He reaches over to grab his cup. Cool and refreshing, he takes a long pull. His mouth wetted, he tries again to think of what to say. Nothing of worth comes to mind. Everyone already knows what he thinks. For once, talking probably wouldn't help anything.

Makedonios sits at the table silently. If the Emperor glances in his direction, the Megas gives him a subtle, but grateful, nod.

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos is suitably awestruck by the annoncement. Let's out a very quite, appreciative whistle.

[ULC]

Nikolaos, having been stirred from his slumber a while ago by the constant banter, turns back to his flask. As he takes another sip from it, he raises it towards the Basileus.

"To Aleksios the Great!"

Nikolaos looks to the other senators.

"I am deeply sorry for my rather late announcement, seems my trip left me rather tired. I am Nikolaos Aristenos, and I am here from the great city of Kiev, by Imperial request, to help further cement our two great nations together! I do hope you all received the presents I sent for you and your families, courtesy of the Royal Court back home!"

Nikolaos takes another swing from his flask. I second CA E2.1!

[Ramses II CP]

Vissarionas ek Lesvou once more enters the Senate chamber. Yet again he is dressed in travel stained garmets, boots covered in old mud, and he enters with none of the pomp the more prominent members of the Magnaura display. Still, many notice him, and a whispered conference breaks out amongst the scribes, though it is quickly shushed by one of the white haired senior men among them.

Vissa strides through the chamber without looking left or right to see who is present; his eyes are fixed on the Basileus alone. As he moves closer, into the better lit region near the center, many begin to note that his hair is wild, and his normally neat goatee has grown out into a very ugly and unkempt beard. The somewhat absurd looking cap he always wears to cover the scar on the top of his head is loose, and dead white twists of scar tissue show unpleasantly around the edges.

The closer he gets to the Emperor the more nervous some members of the senate grow, but there is no menace in Vissa's face. In fact his visage is uncomfortably empty of any expression, and his gaze is utterly devoid of emotion. He looks simply blank, disinterested, and yet he travelled a very great distance to be here and logically must have something to say.

Three paces from the Emperor Vissa stops abruptly and lowers his eyes before sinking to both knees like a supplicant before a priest. In a quiet, emotionless voice which carries well enough through the chamber to be heard by all he says,

'Basileus Komnenos I ask your pardon if letters received and read publically in this body in my name gave you any offense. I could see no other way to call attention to what I believed to be a deadly danger to our very existence, a danger I did not imagine you could see.'

'I was wrong.'

Without waiting for a reply Vissarionas then stands and speaks more loudly, addressing the whole Magnaura, though without any more expression in his voice,

'You should hear it directly from a man who was there, the Crusade is complete. Cairo is taken, but there were no Christians left there to save, God rest their souls. The Sultan, whose signet ring and seal I now present to our Emperor, is dead and his capital occupied.'

Of course the ring is, in truth, newly minted, the previous Sultan having lost his on jihad near Antioch, and of little enough value in itself, but the symbolic power of the presentation is only undermined by Vissa's relentlessly inflectionless tone.

'Better news of the Holy Sites near Cairo. Though some few fools made casual attempts to desecrate them there was no concerted effort to destroy them, no doubt because of the jihad, and my men are even now restoring them so that they are suitable for visits by the faithful on pilgrimage. Praise God that he preserved these most holy places for us.'

The last, which should have had some sort of emphasis, came out sounding quite hollow instead. Slowly Vissa begins to make his way towards the Order table in the chamber, but quite suddenly he turns back to address the body once more, and for the first time a tiny edge of impact has crept into his voice.

'I hereby second Charter Amendment E2.1! God save the Emperor, and God save the Roman Empire!'

Then, with a visibly disjointed gait, Vissa strides the rest of the way to the Order table and collapses into a seat.

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Aleksios nods his head at Vissarionas.

How could I be angry at someone so skilled with pen and word?

He speaks in a more serious tone.

I welcome all the Crusaders back to the capital, and salute the fallen among them. Take your ease while in the city.

[TinCow]

The Protoasecretes taps his staff on the ground.

"I have been informed that Ioannis Komnenos has been delayed and will not arrive at the Magnaura until sometime tomorrow at the earliest. Accordingly, this Senate session will be extended to provide him with an opportunity to speak in his own defense."

"The Senate floor will remain open for debate and new legislation until Monday, September 1 at 20:00 GMT. A further 24 hours of debate may be allowed beyond that point if it is needed."

[OverKnight]

Harald Sigurdson, Captain of the Varangian Guard, walks up to the Basileus, who is seated on the Throne, and whispers something in his ear. Aleksios glances up sharply at him and grimly nods his head. He speaks quietly to Harald, but what he says can be overheard:

Double the guard then, loyal men, do you understand?

Harald nods, bows and strides off. Soon enough, more Varangians can be seen entering the Magnaura, ringing the chamber.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas deposits a number of weapons at the Magnaura doors. The Varangian Guards are being especially diligent, the tension in the air is palpable.

He bows to the Basileus, they exchange some words privately before he takes a seat behind Aleksios.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*Four figures stride into the Magnaura. Three of them are clothed identically, in hooded robes. They are leading and flanking the fourth figure, who enters last. His attire is different than the rest, wearing majestic, if somewhat dirtied, robes and no hood. He sports a long beard, the common symbol of one who is a part of the clergy. It is clear that this man is a high-ranking Orthodox figure, but none of the Senators have ever seen him before. He and his three hooded guards make their way to the center of the Magnaura, where the bearded clergyman clears his throat and begins to speak. The guards respectfully stand off to the side.*

Patriarch Nicholas III:

It has become clear to me that my Representative is no longer welcome in this chamber, having been thrown out twice, the second time rather literally. Hence, I am finally making my much-requested appearance in person. Know that, however, the expulsion of my Representative was not a factor in this. I am here because I need to be, not because I was demanded to be. I exist at the call of no one aside from the Lord and His Son. There are several things that need addressing. Hopefully by my presence here they will finally be addressed.

For too long, Orthodoxy has taken too many punches. Senators, faith is one of the few things in life to be taken with the utmost seriousness. I have seen faith disregarded when it is no longer convenient or efficient in the means of governance. I have seen the most Holy Crusade treated as nothing more than a race, a land grab by some of its participants. Most disturbingly, I have seen faith mistaken as a threat for power, a tool to be used to gain further dominance. There have been subtle efforts to undermine faith in attempts to gain supreme, secular power by those who have desired such.

I will not speak of such efforts in here, most notably the Caesar's plot to destroy the pious Order of St. John, for they have already been discussed at length. The time for discussion is over. The time for action... is here.

Now, the Basileus's proposed Charter Amendment denying his son the right to automatically assume the position of Megas is commendable... but is it enough? I ask you, Senators, is one step in the right direction enough to overcome a lifetime of wrongness?

We all draw periously closer to civil war. It would be disastrous, for all that it would achieve are Orthodox souls destroying other Orthodox souls, prompting the unSaved to move in and destroy us. The Mohammedans... the Catholics... they would stop at nothing to attack us and seize our lands, and then, my Sons, the shining light of the world, the One True Faith, would be obliterated, and the last hope for Mankind would be destroyed. Satan and his pestilence lie close.

There is one man who has led us down this path, Senators. One man who has contributed more than anybody to the division and hatred present not only in these chambers, but on our lands, our farms, our churches, our battlefields. One man who has put us all at risk, one man who I have written at length about, one man who seeks to increase his own power at any cost: thousands upon thousands of innocent lives.

Senators, that one man is present in these very chambers! No, not the Caesar; the Caesar is but a tool, a continuation of the policies of division and power-grabbing this man has set forth. This man has been running amok and unchecked for far too long, and it stops today. I hereby give you... the enemy of all Orthodoxy!

*The Patriarch reaches into his robes and pulls out a brilliant dagger with a flawless ruby, holding it high in the air. Everybody gasps. The Basileus is close by, and there might not be enough time to intercept an assassination attempt. Everyone can only watch as the Patriarch brings the dagger down, and, not moving, points it...

...

...at his hooded Patriarchal guards.*

[OverKnight]

Aleksios stands as the Patriarch speaks. As soon as he sees the dagger pointed at the Patriarchal escort he springs into action.

Guards! Seize them!

Varangians, weapons drawn, surround and subdue the escort. At the same time, obviously prearranged, Varangians flank and subdue Aleksander ek Kallipoleos. After the men are all taken, Aleksios speaks again.

Remove the hoods of the Patriarch's escort.

It is done. As they are unmasked, the Basileus looks at the Patriarch for confirmation, who points at one of the men. The Basileus speaks to the man.

Welcome to the Magnaura. . .Symeon.

The Basileus turns to speak to the Senate.

I apologize for the ruse, but the Patriarch and I thought it necessary to bring the Organization and their Master out into the light. For you see, they are the true threat to the Empire: Whispers in ears, knives in the dark and foul treachery. They eat away at Church and State. Only together, acting in secret with a public face of acrimony, could the Patriarch and I lure them into a trap. I can assure you that there is no true conflict between myself and his Eminence.

If paying very close attention, one would think Aleksios sounded a bit glib with that last statement.

In fact, the position of Patriarch of Constantinople is still open. I can now announce that the Synod has chosen a new Patriarch, Nicholas III himself. Having completed his service to Alexandria, I welcome him back to his old position.

The Basileus dips his head to the Patriarch.

When I called this Emergency Session, I said there were matters of Justice to attend to, the removal of the Organization from the Empire is one of them. Therefore I propose the following:

Edict E2.1: The Secret Society know as the Organization is to be destroyed in accordance with the Patriarchal Proclamation of 1125 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1991568&postcount=7). Aleksander ek Kallipoleos will be exiled from the Empire. Veronica ek Kallipoleos and her children will be given Imperial protection or funds enough to sustain themselves outside the Empire if they so choose. All other agents are to be killed.

Proposed: Basileus Aleksios and Patriarch Nicholas III

With this Edict, and with what the Patriarch and I have discovered about the Organization, we can crush them. Aleksander has served me, perhaps not as he envisioned, but for this he will be spared. Lady Veronica and her children I will protect as part of a promise I made. Other agents, past or present, of the Organization will be killed. It is time to root out and destroy this Secret Society.

Patriarch Nicholas has my deepest thanks for his aid in this matter.

The Basileus resumes his seat on the Throne.

[Ferret]

Hypatios swears under his breath and walks briskly out of the room.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarch Nicholas III:

Thank you, Basileus, thank you very much indeed. I suspect that now is as good a time as any to announce that the clerical error mixing up the words "Constantinople" and "Alexandria" in the Book of Orthodox Doctrine.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas's chin sinks into his chest. With a rueful shake of the head he begins chuckling to himself.

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos stands a satisfied smile on his face.

I second Edict E2.1.

[Warmaster Horus]

I second Edict 2.1 also.

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos stands again, looking somewhat embarrased.

*Ahem* It has just ocurred to me that legislation proposed by the Basileus does not need to be seconded. My apologies to all, especially to Senator Manouelitis.

[Warmaster Horus]

Apologies accepted. I had myself just seen the mistake I made in seconding the legislation...

[OverKnight]

Aleksios speaks.

The sentiment behind seconding the legislation is appreciated even if it is not needed.

[Ramses II CP]

Vissa watches the proceedings with a wide eyed, uncomprehending stare. When the Patriarch turns on his own guards Vissarionas attempts to leap to his feet, but clumsily slams his hip into the Order's table and dumps himself back into his own chair. By the time he recovers his grace the matter is decided.

His gaze is still essentially blank, but his words leave no doubt as to the feeling that inspired them,

'Burn them out, root and branch, and leave none to further blacken our land! Let us pursue this poisonous vein where ever it may reach and purify the body of Orthodoxy and Empire once more!'

Turning to the Patriarch Vissa brings forth calmer words, though in that same cold, empty tone,

'Your Eminence if you should ever need aid in seeking an end to God's enemies you have but to ask and I will serve.'

:egypt:

[ULC]

Nikolaos seems lost as to the current events, and simply shrugs his shoulders knowing everything is under control. Such warm comfort is dispelled when Aleksander begins to laugh. Aleksander turns to his captors, and only shakes his head, speaking in almost mocking, pitying tones.

"Excuse me, but may I ask which of those guards is Symeon? Because from where I am bound and chained, I see three rather confused Patriarchal Guards. I knew Symeon personally, even if I wish I never had, and not a one of those men you now hold is Symeon. I don't know whom you have been speaking with your Eminence, but it seems Symeon anticipated this, especially after his test with Markianos. Out there, or maybe in fact within these very halls, Symeon still lives, freer then anyone of you, his name forever unknown, his path forever untraceable, his intent inscrutable, the extent to which he seeds corruption unimaginable, and his power unfathomable. Exile me, it matters not. I gave my information in the knowledge I would receive nothing more then scorn, nothing more then the hatred of those I sought to silently protect. I failed in my attempts to turn what I saw as evil and depravity into something worth while, and it consumed me, it consumed Ignatios, it consumed Narsis, it consumed Veronica, and it consumed my brother..."

Aleksander hangs his head at those last words, and a single tear escapes from him.

"So go on, in your singleminded attempt to kill what you can never even touch. All you have done is sent them into hiding...even now, most likely at the exchange of letter between the Patriarch and Symeon, hundreds die...hundreds who knew anything at all about the Organization...and you may have condemned thousands to death simply because they held contact and don't have a personal entourage or guards around their paranoid selves. I wonder how many cry out even now..."

Aleksander shakes his head, to try and relieve him of his heavy thoughts. He fails.

"But it matters not...none of you care about intent really, none of you care what happens to others, unless it effects you...it doesn't matter if the men and women who worked tirelessly to keep this from blowing out of proportion were doing it because they believed in the promise of the Roman Empire...kill them anyway, simply for being associated with a rogue element.

Aleksander turns sharply to Makedonios.

"And when the Caesar rebels, don't forget to kill every last Komnenodoukai, Makedonios, I mean, they did make threats towards your well being and that of your men, so don't forget to kill every last one of them, even if they break off and abhor what has been done..."

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos scoffs.

Anyone who operates from the shadows has no concept of justice.

[ULC]

Aleksander shoots Armatos a look of hatred.

"Watch your words! Lest you disgrace Iakovos memory! It was him that gathered the information, from the shadows, to help bring Symeon down, it was him who risked everything for the Empire he loved, and in the end he died for it because his sense of justice was so strong he was willing to do anything to insure the Empire's survival! Do not speak to me of justice! What justice has been served to the architect of your University, what justice was served to a man who put duty and honor above everything else, personal glory, power, and prestige, and was given only death in return! What justice was served his 3 children, now at loss of their father! DO NOT SPEAK TO ME OF JUSTICE!"

Aleksander spits in Aramtos direction.

[flyd]

Isaakios Komnenos is awakened by the shouting. He looks around for a moment, rubs his eyes, then yawns and stretches his arms and back.

Eeeee... aaaaarr... krrrr... aaaah!

He looks around some more, taps his stomach, gets up, and leaves.

[ULC]

Nikolaos sees Isaakios leave, and seeing that he is not currently needed, quickly follow Isaakios out.

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos is undeterrred. He crosses his arms and stands with his feet shoulder-length apart.

I stand by my claim! A man only operates from the shadows to hide himself from his enemies. But if his enemy does not know of him, if his enemy cannot even attempt to oppose him, then he cannot see his enemy's strength!

A soldier who does not cross paths with his opponent's sword knows nothing of combat! A scholar who is unware of contradictory ideas cannot strengthen his own! And a man who does not know the ideals of his enemies cannot understand justice! Without constant and early exposure to an enemy, a man cannot see his opponent's strength, and cannot easily learn how to discern it when returning into the light!

Iakovos was a member of this august body, and a Knight of the Order of St. John, before this busines came to head. He knew he had enemies from the start, and who they were, and thus his sword, his ideas and his ideals remained strong enough to survive even when he was operating from the shadows. For that he was a stronger man than you.

Yes, unlike him you abandoned the light to operate in the shadows. You were so skillful at hiding yourself from your enemies, so successful at avoiding their swords, their ideas and their ideals, that you had no idea what they could even look like! That is why you were unable to anticipate Symeon's usurpation, and even now you prove yourself unable to handle ideas contrary to your own!

And so, I repeat myself: Both you and anyone who remains entrenched in The Organization have no concept of justice!

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios looks at Aleksander with a look of pure contempt.

I don't care if he was your brother. You abandoned him years ago. Then you go outside of the law to create a band of criminals. You then come to us when the monster you created turned on you.

Your no better than Symeon. Iakovos was more of a man than you ever will be. Do not use his good name for your own selfish desires.

I'm glad this 'Organization' is finally at an end. I applaud both His Eminence and the Emperor in their efforts. The Empire has no room for extra-legal criminal bands, no matter how lofty their rhetoric.

[ULC]

Aleksander is barely restrained by his captors.

"You think criminals would flock to a man who killed them all?! I spent my time in the shadows because I could combat the criminal elements far more effectively then if I had ever tried to do so openly! AND I NEVER ABANDONED MY BROTHER! You know nothing Makedonios! You know of no honor lost or gained! I could not face my brother after my failure at Manizikert! Better he think I died gloriously fighting instead of be paralyzed by fear as I watched my father and brother be slaughtered! Better he think me dead then know that I suffered as a slave! Yet even from my shadows I spared no effort in my brothers keeping!"

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarch Nicholas III:

I care little for your justification for your actions or even whether we truly have your counterpart here with us. The point is that you and both sides of your unholy society's motives will never be attained.

[Cecil XIX]

If this is how effective you were in combating them "more effectively" from the shadows, then I would hate to say how you would have fared doing so out in the open.

No, you chose this path because you were too cowardly to remain out in the open. As you said, you could not face your brother. The result is as we see.

[flyd]

Since we're already in a session, that's sort of quiet at the moment, does anyone plan to propose legislation concerning the incident at Alexandria, or is this an Edict violation that will be quickly forgotten?

[Privateerkev]

Methodios has agreed to try to stop Cairo from rioting. Since it isn't one of his settlements, he's risking his life, and his actions can save lives, I personally consider the matter settled. If other's wish to propose legislation punishing him, that is their business.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios looks up.

A good question my son. The Megas Logothetes and a good number of Senators spoke out against Senator Tagaris. Will any of them take action now, or has this already been resolved?

I have done my fair share of Justice for the Session, if others feel strongly about Alexandria, let them speak.

[AussieGiant]

Apionnas rises out of his seat to say something, reconsiders, then retakes his seat.

[Warmaster Horus]

Well, I'm heading out to the House Korakas' chamber. I can promise there'll be a show later on in that place, so head by it if you want to see.
I wonder who'll be the main act of it, though...

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis Komnenos storms into the Magnaura, eyes glaring at Ksanthopouos and Kalameterous.

"I had never thought I'd see the day when my brother would openly join with the Order in attempting to discredit me. Makedonios loves to claim I break the rules, though his claims often have little substance.

I am disappointed in my father for his lack of trust. He has in effect publically condemned me on the evidence presented by my greatest enemy and that in my absence. Have we so forgotten Roman law to condemn a man without hearing his defence?

Beware what precedents you are setting - history remembers those who act unjustly.

Ioannis leaves the Magnaura.

[Ramses II CP]

As the Caesar utters the word 'unjustly' a long, hollow laugh rolls out of Vissarionas, and for the first time since returning to the Magnaura he smiles, though briefly, and nods familiarly at the Caesar's retreating back.

'I presume he didn't notice that the session was extended explicitly so that he would be allowed to present a defense? Much like he didn't notice a few thousand Turkish jihadis sneak past his army to attack the capital... not that the Emperor needed any help, of course.'

Vissa then sinks back into his seat and resumes his blank, unconcerned expression.

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Aleksios's eyes narrow and he speaks quietly to his departing son.

If you can defend yourself, than do so, indignation is a poor substitute.

I have not condemned you, I am trying to save you. Open your eyes and see that Ioannis.

You arrive, speak your words and just as quickly leave. Have you ever lingered in this chamber to listen?

The Basileus sadly bows his head.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Patriarch Nicholas III:

I have said what was needed to be said. I now take my leave.

*The Patriarch exits the Magnaura. Soon the Representative will be back to speak for him.*

[deguerra]

Kalameteros rises slowly after the Caesar is gone

For the record, I did not join with the Order to discredit the Caesar, House Asteri has been in alliance with the Order for some time, and openly so.

Secondly, I find the words "attempting to discredit" highly amusing, firstly because they imply that we were unsuccessfully, secondly because we merely published a letter from your hand and thirdly because a letter from your own hand can hardly serve to discredit, only to enlighten.

As your father said, Ioannis, nobody wants to take your right to defend yourself from you, but wild and entirely inappropriate indignation is a poor substitute.

I hope that one day, you will come to the realization that what I did, and what your father now does is not an attempt to prevent you from ruling, merely an attempt to ensure that you refine your character to become a greater Basileos.

I would like to state publicly that in that we ask much of you. Few men of this world are cut out to rule, and we are placing expectations upon you that we most likely could not meet ourselves. But that is what it is to rule, to be the God appointed leader of a people. One day you will be that leader, and I pray that day comes with you ready to take on that role.

[Ignoramus]

Reentering the chamber halfway through Kalameteros' words, Ioannis speaks after him.

How can I rule when this most esteemed body insults me endlessly and my father does nothing. Now he condemns me too. I have always been loyal to my father, but now that loyalty ends.

I trusted Kalameteros, I even promised you the position of advisor to me when I ascended the throne, because you were one of the few senators I could trust. Now it seems your confidence is meaningless. You speak of your high expectations in me, yet now I cannot even be sure they are spoken sincerely.

For too long have I had to bear the insults of that fiend, Makedonios. I hereby declare war upon him. I care not what my father thinks, as he has constantly refused to defend my honour. This is a private quarrel, and I ask that the rest of the empire leave us to it. If they do not, then I will not back down.

Ioannis hurls his glove in Makedonios' face and marches out of the Magnaura.

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos stands to address the Magnaura

The Caesar continues to show not just poor judgement, but recklessness. He just just declared war on a Megas Logothetes whose term is not even half over. Let this show this august body the wisdom of voting for the Basileus's Edict E2.1.

I shall wait for the Grandmaster to dictate the Order's response to this rediculousness. The Order shall stand united behind him.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios speaks very quietly.

My son never had a better defender in this chamber than myself, but I have grown very tired of doing so.

I must remind the Caesar of what I said when his letter came out and tempers were high.



I too would like to hear my son's explanation.

His gaze shifts to Makedonios.

This is alarming, however I expect you to fulfill your obligations as Megas Logothetes.

He slowly looks over the entire chamber.

If I catch even a whiff of insurrection from anyone, I will not hesitate to act.

Sheath your sword Ioannis, preserve peace inside the Empire, or I will act. You may still inherit the Empire, but if you declare this war, all you will have is ashes.

[ULC]

Nikolaos reenters the Magnaura in a heavy and warm overcoat and cloak, protecting from what seems to be an unseasonal chill in the Capital. Yet still he strides in with confidence and a smile, turning to one of the senators and waves cheerfully, and he almost accidentally stumbles into the Caesar. Nikolaos huge frame and size, easily dwarfing anyone in the Magnaura by several inches and pounds, blocks most of the exit and Nikolaos awkwardly moves to let the Caesar pass. Nikolaos finally takes his seat and begins writing while taking a bite from a cookie.

[Ignoramus]

Returning into the diet, Ioannis Komnenos indicates his desire to speak.

"I must apologise to Antypatos Makedonios Ksanthopoulos for the grievous insult I dealt him. He is well within his rights to seek satisfaction, though it was of my making. My action was foolish and unbecoming of my rank and position.

Though I fear I cannot make it up to him, I offer to provide the Order with 5 catapults from Nicaea in order to strenthen the eastern frontier. I had neglected the the Syrian frontier during my tenure as Megas Logothetes, and must do what I can to make ammends.

I also apologise to this august body for my proposed violence in order to restructure the empire. You have a natural right to despise me, though I trust I may regain your respect.

To my father, forgive me. I deserve banishment for my words to you - such disrespect borders upon treason. You may do with me as you will.

I believe in order to display my sincerity, I must step down from the leadership of the Komnenodoukai. Rest assured that Anypatos Chrysovergos is a true soldier of the empire, and will guard our lands well.

I believe inappropriate to listen in on my judgement, and will retire to my quarters. My scribes will relate all the relevant information to me.

Ioannis Komenenos bows and walks slowly out of the Magnaura.

[Ramses II CP]

Vissarionas watches the departing figure of the Caesar with considerably more interest than his face bore when the previous, brief, announcement of civil war was made. Vissa shakes his head ruefully and then glances up at Aleksios before speaking.

'That may well be the best defense he could possibly have made. In any event, I must again congratulate the Emperor for his cleverness. Our Empire has been blessed with brilliant leadership these past decades; perhaps when God tested the Roman soul at Mazikert it was in his mind to bring forth men such as our mighty Basileus in response.'

'Unless any other man would speak on behalf of the Caesar I suggest to the Protoasecretes that we proceed with the vote, all parties having now been heard to the extent necessary. I have anxious business awaiting me in the desert.'

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

I notice that through all of his fluffy rhetoric, the Caesar has not rescinded his declaration of war.

Ok, if it is war he wants, it is war he will get.

It seems CA E2.1 is now more important than ever. I truly believe that if the Caesar gets an automatic term, he will use it to plunge us into conflict that will set back the Empire for decades.

Therefore, he must not get that term. Let him be elected if he can find the support.

It seems the Caesar has put rules 5.1 and rules 5.3 into full effect. If his House wishes to avoid war, they will need to break from him the moment the session ends. Any who don't, will feel the effects of this war. Antypatos Pavlos should consider voting for CA E2.1.

In fact, since the Caesar will use his automatic term to prosecute a war, I will see any who vote against CA E2.1 as supporting his war against the Order.

Know that the Order does not want war. We will make no offensive moves. And will be willing to sign a "Peace Treaty" along the lines of Rule 5.3.

A Peace Treaty will be contingent upon the Caesar's, and his House's, full throated support of CA E2.1.

Otherwise, when my term starts, there will be war...

And the Caesar, and those who stick by him, won't like it...

[Privateerkev]

Alright, now that I have taken some time to process this, I will lay out my case.

According to these words:


For too long have I had to bear the insults of that fiend, Makedonios. I hereby declare war upon him. I care not what my father thinks, as he has constantly refused to defend my honour. This is a private quarrel, and I ask that the rest of the empire leave us to it. If they do not, then I will not back down.

The Caesar invoked Rule 5.1 which states:


A Senator must make a Declaration of War towards a specific Senator in a public thread before they can attack any of that Senator’s armies or settlements. A Declaration of War applies to all Senators of lower rank in the vassal chains of both the Senator who makes the Declaration and the Senator who is the target of the Declaration, including vassals who swear an Oath of Fealty after the Declaration of War has been made. A Declaration of War does not apply to any Senators in the vassal chain who are above the declarer or the target. Neither the Senator who made the Declaration of War, nor anyone below him in his vassal chain, can attack the target of that Declaration, or anyone below the target in his vassal chain, until the target(s) have been provided with one full turn's worth of movement. This rule does not limit movement in any way, nor does it prevent the target(s) of the Declaration of War from attacking the declarer(s).

As a party in this "war," I hereby move that we invoke Rule 5.3 which states:


A Civil War will end when all Senators on one side are dead or all living Senators on both sides publicly agree to a Peace Treaty. So long as it is limited to changes to the provinces, settlements, armies, Oaths of Loyalty, and retinue of the Senators signing the Peace Treaty, it will be considered binding law. All terms of a Peace Treaty that go beyond these limits, particularly those that increase a Senator’s influence or powers beyond those allowed by the rules, will only be binding if adopted by a two-thirds majority of the Senate at the next normal session. Individual Senators may unilaterally remove themselves from a Civil War within one turn of the Declaration of War that brought them into it by breaking all Oaths of Loyalty that tie them to any Senator involved in the War and by publicly declaring Neutrality. Neutrality cannot be claimed by a declarer, a target, or any Senator who has been involved in a PvP Battle during that specific Civil War.

I now present a Peace Treaty to be signed by both sides:


As of the end of the Emergency session, war between the Order and the Caesar shall end. This Treaty is null and void if any member of the Caesar's feudal chain votes no on CA E2.1.

Signed:

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos

If the Caesar does not agree to this, I strongly urge that his whole House invoke the part of Rule 5.3 that gives them a way to declare neutrality.

It is time to stop this madness before it is too late.

I now wait for everyone's signature.

OOC: It's up to TC on how to handle the logistics of this. Does he want us to all state in here? Will he put up a poll? How do we handle inactive members of the chain?

[Kagemusha]

"Grandmaster.Still you cant think anything else then rules and laws. A man of God should not be so blind to feelings of men and let edicts and laws blind from the hearts of others. Caesar has stepped down and placed himself in front of this senate to be punished about things he has confessed and still all you can think of is the law. Why would you not even bother first wait for the new leader of Komnenodoukai, Pavlos Chrysovergos to speak, before you start spilling poison again to the ears of the senators. Caesar Ioannis clearly stated that the plan was his and he now remorses about his ambitions and actions, while you Makedonias Ksanthapoulos can only think of letters of the law codexes of the Empire. I pity you."

[Ramses II CP]

I, of course, would put my name to any treaty which my Lord put forward to ensure peace within the Empire!

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Sorry Kantakouzinos,

The law is quite clear. The Caesar declared war. To ensure this does not get out of hand, he can not be trusted with an automatic term.

I want the war to end immediately but I also want a guarantee that the Caesar will not get an automatic term.

I hope people will forgive me if I do not trust the Caesar...

So Kantakouzinos, what is your stand on this treaty? Will you sign?

[Kagemusha]

"I know the heart of mine and i also know what Pavlos Chrysovergos thinks and i will let my master and the commander of the Komnenodoukai speak for our house. We are men bound together to preserve the Empire and not to destroy it, so restrain yourself and dont demand individual statements from members of our house, but let our new leader talk with one voice that represents all of the Komnenodoukai."

[Privateerkev]

Well, by law, a Peace Treaty has to be signed by every individual member of the conflict.

So, I am well within my rights when I ask for your opinion. Since, one person's opposition could derail the entire thing.

[AussieGiant]

May I ask what the impact of a declaration of war by the Caesar is, now that he has stepped down as leader of the Komnenodoukai?

In effect he is now an individual Senator. Unless Anypatos Chrysovergos, as leader of the house declares war then the issue is possibly a moot one no?

Would it have been too much to ask the Grand Master to respond in the spirit of the Caesar's proclamation?

It seems no one here is able to change their behaviour for even just a second in order to reduce tensions.

All that has to be done is to pick up the Olive Branch when it is offered.

Is that even possible at this point Lord Makedonios?

[TinCow]

The Protoasecretes coughs and rises.

I believe I can answer these questions. At the time that the Caesar declared war on Senator Ksanthopoulos, he was still the head of his House. As such, everyone in House Komnenodoukai is now at war with all members of the Order. This specifically includes Pavlos Chrysovergos, Lisas Attaleiatis, Ioannis Kantakouzinos, Michail Arianitis, and Hypatios Machonios for the Komnenodoukai and Armatos ek Naksou, Nathanail ek Korinthou, Vartholomaios Ksiros, Vissarionas ek Lesvou, and Stavros ek Amarinthou for the Order.

As Ioannis Komnenos was the declarer and Makedonios Ksanthopoulos was the target of the declaration, neither of these men may end their involvement in the war except by agreeing to a Peace Treaty. All other members in both Houses have one year (turn) to remove themselves from the war by declaring neutrality. For the Komnenodoukai this is a bit easier, as Ioannis Komnenos has already left the House. Therefore, if all remaining Komnenodoukai declare neutrality together and before the end of the year, that entire House will no longer be involved in the Civil War. If some of the Komnenodoukai do not declare neutrality within the year, then all members desiring neutrality will have to break further oaths to those people who remain in the Civil War, likely forcing the dismantling of the entire house. The same is true for the lower ranking members of the Order, who can only remove themselves from the war by declaring neutrality and breaking their oaths to any member who remains in the war.

[AussieGiant]

Nodding to the decrepit old man in acknowledgment Apionnas stands.

It seems very clear what the next steps are. Those that wish to avoid civil war have a clear task to conduct.

There can be no doubt who is pro conflict and who has the best interest of the Empire at heart.

[Kagemusha]

Since the threat of war glooms over us all. The Megas cant be a person who could be a party in a possible war. So i here for present Charter Amendment. 2.2 In order to preserve peace, Grandmaster Makedonias will be impeached from office of Megas Logothes and new election will be held.

I ask for any Senator who wishes to preserve peace in the Empire to second this Amendment. We cant have a Megas, who might be engaging in war against his fellow senators in office. In this kind of situation, not anyone from parties under a threat of war should be in office.

[Kagemusha]

Kantakouzinos stares around the hall and says with a clear and loud voice.

"Fellow Senators.Dont you understand the seriousness of the situation?Not any man from either Komnenodoukai or Order should be the Megas Logothes in this situation. The situation may escalate and in that case do you want to have a senator who is at war with other senators of the Empire controlling the government? I want peace, but keeping Grandmaster in office is not good thing in dire situation like this one. We need a Megas who is neutral in this conflict and who could work best to prevent it from escalating."

[AussieGiant]

Lord Kantakouzinos,

You can only impeach the Megas. This requires a 2/3 majority vote and is therefore not an edict.

And yes, I agree it would not be prudent to have a Megas that is involved in a Civil war.

[Kagemusha]

"Thank you Senator Apionnas.Then i will rename my proposal to Charter Amendment 2.2.I am happy that someone understands my point of view."

[Kagemusha]

"As far as i know charter amendment requires 2/3rds to pass and thus can be used for impeachment. For the senators present. You are making a great disservice to the empire for not seconding this proposal to vote. If it would be voted upon, then other senators would have time to consider it further, but giving keys of government to a man who might be party in a civil war shows true blindness towards the good of the empire. The decision is yours. If this wont even be seconded i must say that the senate is doing a terrible mistake when you have a megas like the grandmaster in office, who can do any horrible deed with an excuse a letter of law can present to him."

[Warmaster Horus]

Senator Kantakouzinos,

The Megas has tried to resolve this situation. The Caesar hasn't spoken or sent word since the Megas has tried to resolve this.
Technically, the Order is at war with the Komnenodoukai. But it is not really apparent. A peace deal has been brought up, so the legal formalities can be taken care of.
I repeat, we are effectively not at war. What you are doing is blowing this out of proportions to boot the Megas out.

[Ramses II CP]

Why don't we try to resolve the matter of the war instead of trying to balance out the sides? Am I missing something, or is the peace deal on the table not quite reasonable?

And if not, why not put a counter-offer on the table rather than making an aggressive move which, to my eyes, makes it look a lot more like you're trying to secure advantages for your House in the war than trying to avert it?

I assure this body that my name, for one, will go on any reasonable deal that secures peace within the Empire.

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

All this talk about the Megas's interests is all well and good, but both Sentators Kantakouzino and Vringas have neglected one simple matter:

The Grandmaster has offered peace terms. And most generous terms at that, for he is not demanding anything that he was not already seeking. I can appreciate why the two Senators would want an impartial Megas Logothetes to work for peace. But the Grandmaster is already doing so, and indeed he 'offered the olive branch' before such criticism was levied.

I for one am quite willing to put my name to the Grandmaster's proposed treaty.

[flyd]

Of course, the most noble Grandmaster Ksanthopoulos has taken the opportunity to push his agenda while trying to "end the madness." CA E2.1 should go into effect if and only if 2/3rds of the Senate truly supports it. I plan on supporting it with my vote, but I strongly oppose the attempt by Ksanthopoulos to undermine our legislative process with threats of violence. The Caesar has already renounced his war declaration: no harm was done, and a simple formality of a treaty would have sufficed. Instead, Ksanthopoulos has taken the opportunity to back his agenda with threat of civil war, in a way that makes it appear not to be his fault to the casual observer. On top of a pile of legal mumbo-jumbo lies an utterly insincere desire for peace, and hidden below it lies a desire to push a political agenda at all cost. I, for one, condemn it.

[OverKnight]

Aleksios speaks after nodding to his youngest son.

It is obvious that the Komnendoukai do not wish a war. It is also obvious that most of the men in the Order of St. John do not wish a war.

My son has stepped down as leader of his House. He will be barred from assuming the post of Megas Logothetes automatically. He has apologized to the Megas Logothetes for his ill thought words. To seek further concessions would be. . .unwise.

I ask Megas Logothetes Ksanthopoulos to offer a "White Peace" and I ask my son to accept it as a favor to me and for the benefit of the Empire. There has been no actual war, only harsh words. I would be most displeased if the Megas used this unfortunate incident to prove a rhetorical point or kick someone while they are down.

The ramifications are too far reaching to continue with this madness, we must have peace.

[Ramses II CP]

Vissarionas nods after the Emperor's speech.

I would sign such a deal happily.

:egypt:

[TinCow]

The time for proposing legislation has passed. Voting may now commence and remain open for 48 hours, until 23:00 GMT on Wednesday, September 3rd.

[Privateerkev]

We all know the Caesar would pursue war if he gets an automatic term. Therefore, him having an automatic term puts us at risk. No real peace can be achieved if he gets one. Since we are the aggrieved party, I believe it is well within our rights to ask that a peace deal be contingent upon the Caesar's support, or at least apathy, of CA E2.1.

If he is allowed an automatic term, he will simply declare war again once the situation is advantageous to him. Our only hope of avoiding war in the future is to force him to seek elections to be Megas. Let him discuss civil war with us openly and make his case to the other senators.

It was the Caesar that desires war. If he truly desires peace, let him prove it...

[Ituralde]

Pavlos Chrysovergos has entered the Senate some time ago and does not look very please. The scar only amplifying the downcast of his mouth.

Bloody magnificent! I thank the Basileus for his wise words on the matter, I hope they solve the situation. It is agreed that the Senate will decide on the fate of Caesar Ioannis, my former Lord. Threatening with Civil War to some members of this chamber if they don't cast their votes in a certain way is disturbing. I do not like to be threatened!

I will stand aside and let the Caesare and Megas Ksanthopoulos settle the matter. If I'm needed for some legal mumbo jumbo as the Caesars brother put it, you'll know where to find me.

[Privateerkev]

Don't whine to me about being threatened Pavlos.

The Caesar has threatened me more times than I can count. Everyone that knows him knows he will declare war the very moment he feels he can get away with it.

Many of you put the Caesar in the powerful political position he is in now. Few of you are blameless. If people really desire peace, then they need to stand against the man now before he gets another guaranteed term.

The Senate should mark my words. The Caesar will declare war again if he feels he can get away with it. Our only hope is to stand against him now and let him know his warmongering will not stand.

If CA E2.1 fails, there can be no peace. Because the Caesar will use that term to kill us. Because of the Caesar, the Order needs to worry about it's very survival. This isn't about pushing a political agenda. For us, it really is "life or death."

[Ituralde]

I don't whine Makedonios, I just make you aware that threatening me has consequences!

You on the other hand seem to be utterly terrified by the Caesar Ioannis. What political power do you speak of? He just stepped down as head of the Komnenodoukai. And why do you think he will ever get away with it? Just now his two most loyal followers refused to follow him into Civil War. You know very well my stance on the matter! So don't paint ghosts on the walls where there are none!

I do not condemn the Charter Amendment, but your way of trying to enforce it!

[Motep]

wrong thread...

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios thinks for a moment.

Your right. I am terrified that the Caesar is going to pursue endless war as long as he thinks he can get away with it.

I admit I find it hard to trust others when so much is at stake. I saw it as my own personal responsibility to make sure the peace stood. But I see now that will require a whole lot of us.

I will offer the "white peace" that the Emperor asked for.

It's wording is simple.


The war ends now.

If it needs more words, or lawyers language, then let me know.

I'll put my name to it.

[Motep]

The last thing our nation needs is a civil war! For gods sake, we have enough enemies piling up on our doorstep to fight!

Andronikos pauses, rubbing his hand

Although a neutral Megas would be good if this conflict even comes to pass, Makedonios has been making all efforts to call a peace, and I will, in no way, second the proposal by Kantakouzinos. It appears that my brother, the caesar, has made a small token of peace, but has yet to put any weight behind his pretty words. Sign the ammendment, my brother! If not for the good of yourself, for the good of our nation!

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis returns to the Magnaura, and turns to address the senators.

I will gladly sign the peace treaty offered by Makedonios Ksanthopoulos. It is most generous of him to forgive my rash actions.

Ioannis signs the treaty and sits down.

[Privateerkev]

Makedonios nods at the Caesar.

Now we need Pavlos Chrysovergos, Lisas Attaleiatis, Ioannis Kantakouzinos, Michail Arianitis, and Hypatios Machonios for the Komnenodoukai and Armatos ek Naksou, Nathanail ek Korinthou, Vartholomaios Ksiros, Vissarionas ek Lesvou, and Stavros ek Amarinthou for the Order to all sign it.


The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis

[Motep]

Andronikos smiles at his brother.

[Ramses II CP]

Vissarionas silently stands and writes his name on the peace treaty before returning to his seat.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Now we need Pavlos Chrysovergos, Lisas Attaleiatis, Ioannis Kantakouzinos, Michail Arianitis, and Hypatios Machonios for the Komnenodoukai and Armatos ek Naksou, Nathanail ek Korinthou, Vartholomaios Ksiros, and Stavros ek Amarinthou for the Order to all sign it.


The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou

*edit*

OOC: Like Mafia games, I ask that we keep a tally. When you add your name, modify the tally and post it like above. :beam:

I don't know how TC planned on keeping track so this seems as good of a way as any.

[Rowan]

Vartholomaios Ksiros enters the chambers, walks to his place and is presented the document. Looking at his brothers he sees them nod and takes his quill from the fountain:



The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros

[Ituralde]

Pavlos signs.



The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos

[Ferret]

Hypatios takes the parchement loosely in his hands, looks at his fellow house members for a while, before reluctantly signing with a loud sigh.


The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos
Hypatios Machonios

[Dafuge]

Stavros gets up slowly before staring at the parchment and then slowly signs his name.



The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos
Hypatios Machonios
Stavros ek Amarinthou

[Cecil XIX]

Armatos Signs.


The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos
Hypatios Machonios
Stavros ek Amarinthou
Armatos ek Nasou

[Privateerkev]

Everyone in the Order, except for Nathanail, has signed the treaty. Nathanail has been gone from politics for years. Unfortunately, I do not believe he will be back any time soon, if ever. I believe he is working on his education instead.

OOC: Bananabob has been gone for weeks. I know he had connection issues. I hope we can simply ignore avatars who have reached a certain threshold of inactivity.

[Kagemusha]

Kantakouzinos signs the treaty.


Quote:
The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos
Hypatios Machonios
Stavros ek Amarinthou
Armatos ek Nasou
Ioannis Kantakouzinos

[Warmaster Horus]

Senators,
I will give Scopia back to Comes Tagaris.
I must say that I am disgusted at the attitude of the majority of you. Tagaris broke the law, and now is not punished anymore. His House is his, if he wishes it. His lands are his, as I have been forced to give one province back. His "honour" is his because he serves the Empire, trying to keep the peace in Cairo.
If this is the way lawbreakers and punishers are treated here, then I pity the future of the Empire.
Tagaris, I expect you to release me from your service the second you learn of this.

[deguerra]

Dammit Nikophoros!

What kind of a man are you to feel bound by the opinion of a few gutless children? I adore what you did. You saw a problem and fixed it. Tagaris loses nothing with Scopia. It is nothing but a mere symbolic act to punish those who do not uphold the law.

You are a good man Nikophoros and you did the right thing. And I challenge anyone to say otherwise.

[00jebus]

A heavily-tanned and smiling Lisas signs


The war ends now.

Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
Caesar Ioannis
Vissarionas ek Lesvou
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Pavlos Chrysovergos
Hypatios Machonios
Stavros ek Amarinthou
Armatos ek Nasou
Ioannis Kantakouzinos
Lisas Attaleiatas.

[Cecil XIX]

Personally, I agree with Senator Kalametros. Nikiphoros, you have made Senator Tagaris pay a real price for his dishonor. And you did it not by force, but by using Methodios's own laws. Methodios has no one to blame but himself that you have brought him to task. I agree that you should keep Sofia.

[rossahh]

You might as well be clear, Senator. You will or have given Scopia to Methodios? If you have done neither than I suggest you keep it that way. It seems that you are the only one who can punish Meothodios at this time, and so if you think Methodios deserves to be punished, why not do it?

[_Tristan_]

Senators,
I will give Scopia back to Comes Tagaris.
Tagaris, I expect you to release me from your service the second you learn of this.

These are the terms I gave you, Manouelitis.

The minute Scopia is mine again, I'll release you from your oath.

(OOC : Perhaps by removing it from your SoT ? )

[rossahh]

Or he could just wait a few paltry years instead.

[ULC]

Nikolaos looks up from his paperwork, with a slightly weary yet humored look. "Are you going to talk about nothing but whether or not a certain piece of land should go were? If so, at least take it objectively. First, Methodios gave it in good faith, which has shown to be misplaced severely, by a man with conduct unbecoming of him. Second, If you wish to bring up what is just, remember that Methodios is risking his life now in Alexandria, it behooves us to know that and consider it."

[Warmaster Horus]

I will not give Scopia back. The support I now see, as well as the thinking I have done made me change my mind. Mostly, it's the fact that you have been punished Tagaris. If I were to give you your land back, then that punishment will have been nothing.
You have kept Alexandria. You can have your House back. Add Scopia to that, and you're basically going free. I cannot accept that.
You have been expulsed of House Korakas. You have agreed to that expulsion. Expulsion includes your vassals and your lord breaking the oaths of fealty related to you. This is what I am doing.
You don't have a choice. You will be a law-breaker to the laws you made yourself, If you refuse this. Then I will hunt you down. I will not do that now, while the Empire is still troubled. But our paths will cross one day. And then...

Nikolaos, I hope all of us here would do the same. Tagaris is bound to serve the Empire, and that service includes protecting its cities and citizens. That argument is out.

[_Tristan_]

And would you tell me, Manouelitis, who gave you the right to be the judge of my actions ? Whose sanction do you have to do it ?

What have you done in service of House Ilios Korakas that should give you the right to pass judgment on its members ?

I'll tell you : all you did was betray the trust the House put in you... You got kicked out and came groveling back in, pleading for being let in once again.

I do not recognize the judgment you passed on me by the simple fact that you treacherously gained my confidence for your own convenience, which was prying Scopia from my hands (and Alexandria if you had been able to do it).

I do not recognize your authority in this matter and therefore you remain bound by your oath. I see you're still intent on breaking it. So be it... But you will not be able to reswear in the years to come.

You say your acts are a fitting punishment for what I did in Alexandria but your own actions are those of a thief, sneaky and underhanded...

As for meeting on a battlefield, I'm your man whenever you want... I never backed down from any challenge and I'll not back down from yours.

I feel sorry for the House who will dare give shelter to such a man... Its name will forever bear the mark of treason.

[Warmaster Horus]

Very well. I hereby break my oath to Tagaris. OOC: no more swearing for the next 5 turns, then...As for the rest of what you said, I'll just sum it up: I'm a no-good cheat, because I didn't hesitate to act like one of the dregs of society to accomplish what I had to do.
Tagaris, I'm just learning how to be a politician. You pre-emptively tried to avoid punishment. No one else would do it, so I had to get back in. Somehow.
If there's one lesson learned here, I think it's "the end justify the means".

[Privateerkev]

Are we going to take away land every time an edict is broken? If so, we will be pretty busy.

Manouelitis, you took it upon yourself to punish Methodios. You didn't work through us. And the fact that you have kept the land that you stole from Methodios makes your actions look... opportunist...

As for everyone who is cheering you on, I never saw those same people demand Rhodes back from Hypatios when he exterminated thousands of people.

It seems to me that people who are using the excuse of Methodios's sacking of Alexandria are going after him for personal reasons.

This body sat on it's hands when the Caesar broke the "rules." And now, when Methodios breaks an edict, the Senate wakes from it's slumber and bangs it's gavel in the name of justice.

Even Hypatios got off easier than this and his crime was far worse.

I am very much for punishing people who sack and exterminate. And I am very much for punishing people who break edicts and rules. But we need to be consistent and not let our personal feelings for the law breaker color our better judgment.

[_Tristan_]

punishment. No one else would do it, so I had to get back in. Somehow.

Not just somehow, but anyhow... That's the crux of the matter.

As for punishment, I'm already serving an harsher penance than either of our law-breaking fellow Senators have served for even graver crimes. And waiting on whatever our Basileus decides should be my fate.

Don't you think it should be Him who should pass judgment on my actions ? Don't you think you have usurped his authority in this ?

Do not try to justify your actions behind pretenses of acting "for the good of society"... You're not fooling anyone.

You saw an opportunity to gain some land without a fight and you snatched it.

So please stop trying to convince us that you did it for justice's sake...

You're not a judge, Manouelitis... Not even a vigilante, you're a thief.

I appeal to our Basileus to right the wrong committed against me and my House. I may deserve to be punished for what I did in Alexandria but I feel it is only within your powers to pass judgment on my actions and set whatever punishment you deem necessary.

If we let vigilantism have its way then we're one step closer to civil disorder.

[Privateerkev]

Alright, I don't know what is going on with Scopia. And I don't really care. But I need to know who owns the province when I build things there.

If you two are going to insist on dragging other people into this, I ask that neither of you drag me into this. I have an Empire to run and I don't want to be sitting on my hands while you two have a staring contest.

Therefore, as a favor to me, I am asking that both of you set Scopia's build queue to "Megas's discretion."

This will allow me to go forward with governance while this is worked out. There are no taxes to set and I won't move the one unit garrison so the other stuff doesn't need to be figured out. But the build queue needs to be left open to me by both of you or the settlement will sit idle.

[Warmaster Horus]

If the Basileus asks me to return Scopia, then I will do it. But I had every right to take it, and you had no right to demand it. You were in House Korakas, you broke a public law and a rule of that House's Charter. For the public law, I can do nothing. But as far as the House goes...

Makedonios, I agree it's opportunistic. But we have to start enforcing these laws, or the country will go mad! If all one has to expect is a slap for being a law breaker, then tomorrow I'll go and kill Ioannis Kalameteros!
People have to see that illegal acts will not be tolerated. It may look like I'm being opportunistic, and blowing things out of proportion. But if don't we start enforcing the laws properly, then one day you will all be thinking something along the lines of: "If only we'd listened to Manouelitis..."

[_Tristan_]

What our Megas said a few minutes earlier got me thinking.

If Manouelitis truly acted in good faith, though I'll have difficulty accepting that seeing how devious his acts appear, but let's assume it was the case for the sake of the argument...

If such was the case, as it seems he doesn't want to give back what I consider to be my property, why doesn't he release ownership of Scopia into the hands of our Basileos.

This would achieve his self-proclaimed goal of punishing me and at the same time, it would somewhat clear his name of that powerful reek of opportunism...

I, for one, for want of a better solution to resolve that conflict, would accept this solution.

What say you, Manouelitis ?