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ULC

10-23-2008, 18:14

That's what you get when you're not too picky when it comes to vassals. Maybe you should hold higher standards before accepting an oath in the future?

Don't escape your own responsibility, dear Lord. Or you help cleaning up this mess and worry about your future later, or you face some very nasty consequences.

"Savvas, I have never held any enmity towards you, why so bitter? I was not picky in my choosing of vassals Savvas, Methodios is a fine man. But to put any man into such a position is clearly going to raise someones hackles. Sadly, I see no reason why Hypatia had to be married to a man with limited prospects for children. In my eyes, it was done to antagonize Methodios into a rash action needlessly."

Nikolaos sighs as he leans back to something Demetrios whispers to him. Nikolaos nods, hands him a note, and Demetrios disappears.

"I know my responsibility, you do not need to remind me Savvas. But I am also sure you understand not to be blindly loyal as well, right? Like right now." Nikolaos glowers. "I tire of this, maybe when you have felt what I have experienced, you will realize that petty politics mean nothing when you have a responsibility to more then yourself. Tell me Savvas, are a godfather to any children? Where do you spend most of your time, at your desk doing your work, at the bar whoring and losing your self in your wine, or spending time with those who look up to you and depend on you? What future do my godson Demetrios and goddaughter Chara have, what chance does young Aleksandra, Theodora, and Ioannis Tagaris have? I awiat your well reasoned, sober answer."

flyd

10-23-2008, 19:42

Well, let's recap what happened.

There was once a man called Alexios Komnenos. He was an Emperor, and he had three sons. Now, the first son was married in a political move to a Kievan princess. He doesn't talk about her much, she doesn't figure much in the things he does, and most of the court could probably not even recall her name off the top their heads. This is important to mention because a man untouched by love is bound to be a little cranky, which might explain some of the things. Now, there was no diplomatically useful bride for the second son, which, you would think, would be a boon for this young man, but he proved to be wholly incapable of attracting women. Closing in on 30 years of age now, he is certainly not married, and there are serious doubts as to whether he has ever had any, at least without having to pay for it afterwards (or in advance? How does that work, anyway?). Then there is also the third son, who is of no consequence in these events but is only mentioned for completeness, and who has found himself a beautiful lady named "gold", and has fathered many children in a remarkably short period of time.

There is also a man named Methodios Tagaris, Hero of Belgrade, for which act he was adopted into the royal family by another hero now dead. He's a complicated man, and no one understands him but his woman. Still, his service to our Empire has been simple: he has fought its enemies in the east and west. There are few who would levy much complaint against him. He is old, and he is venerable. He too is a man beloved by his family, numerous it is with three daughters and a son. There isn't much to his position in this mess: he seems to act out of love.

What of the others, then? The first son of Alexios (though not so fit to inherit the capital city) is a controversial figure, to say the least. One thing that should be clear to any unbiased observer is that he is paranoid and power-hungry. As Megas Logothetes, he attempted to use all the power at his disposal to his personal advantage, an act which caused his own father to strip him of the right to hold that office upon acceding without the consent of the Senate. When the accession occurred, the first thing he did was make everyone state their loyalty to him, and tried to seize for himself the power of recruiting Varangians, an effort that he has yet to succeed in. This incident is more of the same, an attempt to show how mighty he is. What of the second son, then? His most distinguishing characteristic is that he's still a bachelor. At best, this is an ill-conceived attempt to get some action, although there really isn't much evidence to suggest that he likes women in the first place, and this could well have been instigated by him just to remove the embarrassment of being unmarried. The first son was happy to jump onboard in an action that is tantamount to yelling, "Look at me! I can decree things!"

Don't be fooled, Senators. This is not a political issue. It is an issue of love. It is the love of one man for his daughter vs. the love of another man for his reputation. This other man has already declared a war once over petty words. There is a third, mostly irrelevant, man, who is lonely at best, and very confused and conflicted at worst. Not only is this issue apolitical, and hardly worth spilling Greek blood and weakening the Empire over. This war would accomplish nothing: the marriage is done, there is no divorce. If Tagaris committed some great crime, he could be punished, he might even accept willingly, but the first son has called for an escalation of the conflict. It should be obvious that, to him, this has little to do with marriage, and even less to do with love (a concept he probably doesn't grasp). Instead, it is just another chance to throw his weight around, and draw attention to the size of his enormous... political power. It's pretty big, they say.

It would be a shame if any blood was spilled over this.

Respectfully to those who deserve it,

Isaakios Komnenos, third son of Alexios.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-23-2008, 19:59

Theo wants to say something but words don't want to come out of his mouth..

deguerra

10-23-2008, 21:26

Despite having kept a stone cold face during all of the proceedings, Ioannis cannot but give Isaakios a wide smile

AussieGiant

10-23-2008, 21:34

My Lord Isaakios,

Can you complete a few oversights in your monologue?

If you have the time please let me know so I can ask the questions in a timely manner.

flyd

10-23-2008, 21:52

Certainly, Senator Vringas, I do plan on sticking around long enough to defend my statements.

Dafuge

10-23-2008, 22:08

Ethymios smirks briefly before returning to his work.

AussieGiant

10-23-2008, 22:21

Excellent.

Just a few questions.

1) Who declared war on who?

2) Who has escalated this event most recently?

3) Did anyone at any stage request by way of edict or CA any changes to the Royal Powers of the Basileus prior to this event?

4) Define the different types of Royalty, if any, their different responsibilities, if any, and how we can tell the differences at this time?

5) Is there any ability to avoid the requirements and/or benefits of being part of the Royal Lineage?

6) Please state what parts of the Royal Powers warrant the title "some great crime" if they are defied, please also state what the categories of defying other powers are, and most importantly why?

flyd

10-23-2008, 22:55

A little disappointing, Vringas, that you ignore the main points and focus on the periphery of the argument, with unclear and misleading questions. Nonetheless, I shall indulge you as I promised.

1. An irrelevant technicality. If we accept that Tagaris acts out of love, which I claimed in my statement, then his hand was forced. And he didn't "declare war" outright as much as he sanctioned an illegal marriage. Certainly, you can argue if it was a right thing to do or not, but the actual declaration of the war is only a minor legalism.

2. Ioannis. It could have, perhaps, remained a conflict between Ioannis (and his followers) and Tagaris, but Ioannis called on all Senators to enter the war. He said, "I hereby call upon all senators and nobles of the empire to declare their hand - now. I will have no neutrality. You either will declare against the Caesar, or against me." This is an escalation.

3. No, perhaps they expected to be able to deal with Ioannis in a reasonable fashion, and did not expect him to merely declare his decision in the Senate without any consultation of the father. Perhaps they were too optimistic.

4. You can look at the charter if you want legal definitions of the different strata in our society. If you want a semantic definition, you can look in a dictionary (probably from Latin rex, meaning king). I know you're trying to get at something here, but I don't know what. You could speak more plainly.

5. Is there a need to exercise every power to your personal advantage, even when it causes animosity among Senators, and starts civil wars and endangers the Empire, i.e. just because you can, must you?

6. "Some great crime" isn't a "title" and gives no legal distinction when applied. I used it as a descriptor, the sentence out of which you pulled the phrase said "If he defied, he can be punished." For a man who so often speaks against excessive legalism, you are certainly clinging onto words and definitions with an uncharacteristic ferocity.

Ramses II CP

10-23-2008, 22:55

A letter arrives from Vissarionas ek Lesvou, stamped with his seal. The treatment of the previous messenger has not gone unremarked, however, as this one is given directly into the hands of Imperial scribes and the messenger who delivered it flees before they bring it into the Magnaura chamber to be read. The scribe who is selected, a young man who is obviously mildly retarded but has been trained to read slowly and loudly, bears the letter forward and stares stupidly at the Emperor for a moment before starting,

Senators of Rome,

I am disgusted that acts of assassination have been carried out within our Empire. Only the lowest, most depraved, diabolical, power mad sort of fool would engage the services of these foul beasts of Islam.

Which is why it comes as an utter shock to me to discover that our Emperor was not the man who engaged them against me. I confirm that here in the Senate for all to hear. It was not him. Truly. I doubted it at first as well, but the information I have really is quite reliable. Yes, extremely reliable, I checked it personally! Please believe me, he didn't do it.

In any case, if any are still listening credibly, I wish to personally disavow any use of the assassins in retaliation and I would expect every chivalrous member of the Senate to do the same. Further acts of assassination against me will result in retaliation of a more direct, honest kind, and rest assured as certainly as I know the identity of my current assailant I will discover the names of any future ones. I am already working out terms to bring a peaceful conclusion to the conflict unecessarily brought between myself and another House.

I have the oddest feeling that the Emperor would delight in having me join the Caesar's cause as well, but this too shall I decline to do. It is the right of the head of a household to assign those females of his line to whatever depraved fate his fancy finds entertaining. Alas that it is so, but it is so, and has always been. I will pray that a peaceful resolution can be found.

Of course I will also decline to attack the Caesar in the Emperor's name. If nothing else I lack the forces to do so successfully, seeing as someone had my best troops assassinated on the assumption I would be joining Methodios.

Go with God senators, pray for peace, and do not allow yourselves to be compelled to fight in this mad civil war. I happen to have met the girl in question, and while she has a wonderful personality I personally wouldn't so much as step into a leaky rowboat to fight a frog for her hand.

Vissarionas ek Lesvou

:egypt:

AussieGiant

10-23-2008, 23:20

Turning from the scribe who just read out the letter from Vissarionas, Apionnas address Isaakios.

I suppose what I'm trying to work out Isaakios, is how the Emperor of this Realm, using powers no one has disputed, ever, in fact does exercise one of these "said powers", which we all know is designed to increase the Komnenoi line, something the the specific power is designed to support.

At this time, a fully fledged member of the Royal Family and Caesar of this Empire no less, who has been a fully fledged member for some years I might add, and therefore someone we can assume that as a member of the Royal Family full well knows the benefits and limitations of holding such high office, decides that in this particular case the laws should not apply to his daughter, a Royal Princess of this Realm, with all the trappings, privileges and obligations that go with such a station.

So instead of marrying a direct descendant of our most beloved Emperor Aleksios, the 'sane' move at this time, rather than discuss things privately, is to now, in a fit of apparent love for his daughter, that instead of complying with the laws of the land, which no one has disputed or even discussed, even though such Royally arranged weddings were used to organise our current Emperor's wedding, is no longer appropriate.

So...rather than using any civilised mechanism of Edicts, Charter Amendments or other such devises, the Caesar decides, using all rational means at his disposal to 'instead'...'declare war', which is labeled a "minor legalism" by you, a somewhat understated comment if ever I have heard one.

Your defense of this 'minor legalistic' approach, is that the Caesar, was "forced".

Of course there is no mention of 'insanity' or 'flying pigs' in your defense, the actual defense you use is, "he was forced."

It does seem all rather dramatic, especially considering the level of sophistication and civilisation on display here in this chamber.

All in all, it is a rather appropriate way to go about the running of an Empire and certainly an excellent way of handling marriages as it pertains to Royal Princesses.

So go right ahead Isaakios, be disappointed in me, because that is certainly the most sane approach to this whole thing as far as any sane person would believe.

Taking a seat Apionnas glances up and continues;

"On a small administrative matter the following individuals have been admitted to the University.

Scholars:

Methodios Tagaris
Aleksios ek Ikoniou
Ioannis Kalameteros
Vartholomaios Ksiros
Tiverios Indikoplefstis"

flyd

10-24-2008, 00:26

Apionnas, there is a reason I mentioned all of the previous infractions against peace and stability that were made by Ioannis. This is the same as it was before: he abuses his power with no regard for anyone. It causes animosity and conflict. Second time he has been in a declared war. What exactly did he expect to happen if he pushed this issue with Tagaris uncompromisingly? Did he not see this coming? Does that make him merely stupid rather than arrogant?

There is no question that what Tagaris did was illegal. Against the charter, illegal. We get it. It should be punished. You say the Caesar should have used the "civilized mechanisms", but at the same time you don't call for him to be punished with the same, but instead are perfectly happy to watch the Empire ripped apart. The man you defend called everyone to join in instead of trying to limit the conflict, never mind working to keep it a bloodless one. No war will make that woman unmarried. He's either out for revenge (there's the rule of law for you), or he wants this war.

You also make light of the fact that Tagaris was forced into the situation. If we're discussing phrases, I rather like "a fit of apparent love for his daughter". You make it sound like a seizure, and it's clearly not "apparent" love, if he was willing to go to these lengths, though this point you might not understand. The question raised previously still remains, was the Emperor:

a) wishing to instigate a war and used this as a convenient method
b) so arrogant that he would not yield an inch even if it resulted in a war
c) an unloved fool who didn't see Tagaris' reaction coming

(c) is probably not the answer, since he now pushes for escalation, and those can only be explained by the first two options. I'm not necessarily accusing him of wanting to instigate a war, because it is well known just how much of an arrogant d*^%#$%^ he can be. So, like I said at the beginning of this statement, it's more of the same.

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 00:50

Michail sighs deeply in his seat, finally finding his resolve, he stands:

"I am unable to choose a side in this debacle, so I declare my independance. I no longer hold allegiance to anyone. I do not wish to change anything, nor do I rebuke my position as a Senator, but I have no oath to the throne. I sit in Epirius, as a neutral state of our Empire. I will defend my territory and will not expand, that I can promise."

ULC

10-24-2008, 00:53

I will declare my neutrality as well. I cannot become involved in this dispute, especially when I will lose if I do pick sides. However, if I see one man wearing Komnenodoukai or the Basileus's livery in my territory armed, under any circumstances, I will in variably be forced to take the necessary actions.

Rodrico Stak

10-24-2008, 01:19

Ioannis Komennos III gives a low whistle.

I never expected that the first council session I have been old enough to attend would erupt into civil war shortly afterwards!

I have no land, or armies, or a house, and so I have nothing to declare my alliegance with. As the son of the Baselius, my loyalty lies with him, but that is all that I can do. For now, I think, it will be my place to watch from the sidelines.

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 02:52

OverKnight

10-24-2008, 04:38

Tiverios stands.

It seems that many Senators wish to remain neutral in this matter and I agree. However, the issue remains that the taxes and soldiers from our settlements will be involved in this war unless we do something about it.

I propose that all of us who wish a diplomatic end to this conflict band together. We should lower our taxes in our settlements to the minumum to ensure that our funds are not used to shed the blood of fellow Romans. We should also prohibit the deployment of our garrisons and new recruits outside our settlements so that our soldiers are not involved.

We cannot stop this war directly, but we can starve it.

AussieGiant

10-24-2008, 07:48

Apionnas with some exaspiration says:

Isaakios, tell me EXACTLY how you abuse a power that is clearly stated in the the Royal Decree on Royal marriages?!

It is therefore "by definition", impossible to PUSH anyone uncompromisingly in this case.

Let me paint a picture for those who maybe interested.

--------------------------------

Julius Caesar Rome:

"Soliders of Rome, it is with my god given powers and that of my station and the privileged position I have as your Commander that I order you to attack the enemies of Rome!! Forward march!"

Second in Command:

Clearing his throat rather embarrassingly;

"Excuse me sir, just a small point of order on that last comment you made...umm, in this particular instance, I'd just like to inform you, formally of course, that I'll be declining your request, because, actually I do not want to obey that particular order at this time, and due to the fact you did not ask me, or in fact negotiate with me prior to making that statement, my entire defence, as my lawyers have outlined is that you have "forced" my hand in the matter.

So, with that said, I'm going to disobey that command directly and actually do the exact opposite. So I'll be taking myself in the opposite direction at this time, and I would actually be greatly appreciative if you could just carry on without me for the moment."

Julius Caesar Rome:

"My good man, thanks ever so much for that description, might I just ask you to bring me up to speed on the definitions of Treason, Dereliction of Duty as they currently are defined?

I'm having a hard time with all this and I seem to be missing something in your position on the matter."

Ituralde

10-24-2008, 07:53

Isaakios Komnenos your arguments are sound ones, from your perspective on these matters. As member of the Privy Council I have a different view on these matters. As Megas Logothetes it would have been in my power, and mine alone, to carry out the decree ordered by the Basileus. You were not part of the discussions in the Privy Council but various methods were discussed to prevent this conflict from escalating. You know from the past that I despise Civil War, but Methodios Tagaris chose to escalate this conflict by marrying his daugther off to the next best suitor just to deny the Basileus his privilege.

He has set a dangerous precedent by this. The rules of our Charter can not be ignored and there have to be consequences, otherwise this whole body becomes a farce. As I said before I will not support bloodshed among Romans unless it is necessary. I am more than willing to end this war if Methodios Tagaris steps up to this chamber and accepts the punishment that will be decreed by all members of this Senate.

Ignoramus

10-24-2008, 08:33

The Basileus rises and addresses the Magnaura.

The Caesar has brought this on himself. He deliberately rebelled against my will, as expressly stated in our constitution. There were not attempts to alter this by you senators, and so he has not only rebelled against me, but against this august body also. Any attempt to defend him is merely talking down this importance of the body, never mind the authority of the Basileus.

Also, I have not seen which way the Asteri and the Order of St. John have declared in this matter. I expect them to decide by the morrow.

Ioannis resumes his seat.

flyd

10-24-2008, 08:55

Isaakios slumped in his chair, eyes closed, emitting a quiet, snoring-like sound.

Andres

10-24-2008, 08:58

"Savvas, I have never held any enmity towards you, why so bitter? I was not picky in my choosing of vassals Savvas, Methodios is a fine man. But to put any man into such a position is clearly going to raise someones hackles. Sadly, I see no reason why Hypatia had to be married to a man with limited prospects for children. In my eyes, it was done to antagonize Methodios into a rash action needlessly."

To put any man in such position? What position? Having to marry his daughter to a man she doesn't love?

Love? This is politics. Royal Princesses don't have the luxury of love and nor do their fathers. They only have duty. That is their curse. I never heard Methodios complaining about his promotion into the Royal Family. Now that he has to fulfill the unpleasant duties of his position, he runs away.

I am deeply disappointed in Methodios Tagaris. I always though of him as a man with honor who knew his duties.

"I know my responsibility, you do not need to remind me Savvas. But I am also sure you understand not to be blindly loyal as well, right? Like right now." Nikolaos glowers. "I tire of this, maybe when you have felt what I have experienced, you will realize that petty politics mean nothing when you have a responsibility to more then yourself. Tell me Savvas, are a godfather to any children? Where do you spend most of your time, at your desk doing your work, at the bar whoring and losing your self in your wine, or spending time with those who look up to you and depend on you? What future do my godson Demetrios and goddaughter Chara have, what chance does young Aleksandra, Theodora, and Ioannis Tagaris have? I awiat your well reasoned, sober answer."

I assume I have many, many children, more then anyone else in this body.

Savvas bursts out in laughter. He continues with a grin on his face.

But I don't think their mothers would fit well into this building.

Anyway, I can only say : irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant. This is not about love, this is about duty.

Love is for peasants.

Don't be fooled, Senators. This is not a political issue. It is an issue of love.

Nonsense, nonsense and nonsense. Please. Are we going to run this empire by following emotions?

What do you expect from the Basileus? Do you want him to make decisions based on ratio or on emotions?

You may think of me as cold-hearted, but alas, there's no place for love in the business of regulating and running an Empire.

You want love? Resign, hand over all your lands, titles and prerogatives to the Empire and leave for a life full of love. As a peasant...

AussieGiant

10-24-2008, 09:46

Noting Isaakios and his reaction, Apionnas nods in agreement quietly saying;

"Excellent, that's the most astute move."

Andres

10-24-2008, 10:12

Oh, I almost forgot our dear friend Michail...

Michail sighs deeply in his seat, finally finding his resolve, he stands:

"I am unable to choose a side in this debacle, so I declare my independance. I no longer hold allegiance to anyone. I do not wish to change anything, nor do I rebuke my position as a Senator, but I have no oath to the throne. I sit in Epirius, as a neutral state of our Empire. I will defend my territory and will not expand, that I can promise."

So, Senator of insignificant affairs, after a career spent in House Tep... Tip... eh, whatever... and a life time standing outside a settlement collecting dust and stench of the woods, you now chose to switch your loyalties for the hundreth of time?

What is wrong with you? Is it that difficult to stay loyal to one Lord?

Gentlemen, I am sure that you all agree that this man is an abomination.

OOC: I'd like to assure pevergreen that this is all IC.

Rodrico Stak

10-24-2008, 13:51

"Ioannis III, I offer my region of Epirus as haven for you, as it is now neutral. I would like to talk to you further, if you decide to accept my offer. My soldiers would protect you as though you were me."

Epirus is a nice place to build a place in the empire, without having civil war trampling over any lands I may be able to acquire. I would be most interested to discuss this further.

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 14:26

Andres

10-24-2008, 14:27

Epirus is a nice place to build a place in the empire, without having civil war trampling over any lands I may be able to acquire. I would be most interested to discuss this further.

I would be careful with accepting Michail's "hospitality". For all you know, he'll train his assassins on you.

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 14:28

Assassins Savvas? I have declared my neutrality. I do not aim to swing this fight one way or another.

Andres

10-24-2008, 14:28

"Savvas, must I explain my entire life story to you? If you ask me to recount it, I shall do so.

Ioannis the Third, I shall contact you in private."

You never need to assure me Andres! I know what happens between mafia players is forgotten when the character/game ends/dies. But until then. Heh heh heh...wait no thats an empty threat, I dont have any power.

Which part of your life story?

The part where you are spying for the Organisation or the part where you let your assassins kill off mentors or army units?

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 14:30

"Savvas, if you have some proof I ever spied for the organisation or that I ever employed assassins, please, bring it foward, or drop your baseless claims. In my life I have owed allegiance to two houses, My own and House Kommendouki, which I left due to our current Rulers actions."

Andres

10-24-2008, 14:32

pevergreen

10-24-2008, 14:34

"Care to share those Savvas?"

Ibn-Khaldun

10-24-2008, 15:10

Ituralde

10-24-2008, 15:53

As Megas Logothetes it is my responsibility to point out that robbing the Empire of its finances will mean that construction will come to a halt in many settlements. There's also a war against Venice that has to be waged, which will prove very difficult without money.

I agree with your position, but unfortunately all I can do now is promise you that I will not let it come to bloodshed among Romans. Should my actions speak otherwise you still have the option open to you without needlessly endangering the development of our Cities and Castles.

Smowz

10-24-2008, 15:59

Nevoulas ek Philadelphius strolls into the centre of the Megnuara. He had been standing for some time quietly at the back. He looks warily at his house leader and friend Ioannis Kalameteros. He then turns to face the Basilues Ioannis Komenus.

My emperor, I know you have heard a lot of complaints from me in the past.

I hope this is an action that proves my true loyalty toward you my emperor:

I, Nevoulas ek Philadelphius declare war on the outlaw Caeser Methodios Tagaris.

Nevoulas turns to Apionnas Vringas and then to Savvas ek Militou.

It seems from your outraged statements that you like me are loyal and humble subjects of the Emperor. I am assuming that you two will also join me in showing your loyalty to the Emperor also?

Nevoulas once again looks towards his own house leader.

Some may wish to 'sit this storm out', I understand their reluctance. They clearly value their own lives over the cause of the empire and the will of its emperor, this is what nearly destroyed the empire in the first place.

With that Nevoulas moves over to sit amongst the Kommandaukai senators.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-24-2008, 16:20

It is weird that Ioannis' closest supporter, Vringas, haven't joined the Basileus' side. Also, Savvas, you say that you support the Basileus and all that. Yet you haven't answered the *Basileus' call to take up arms and go against that 'Great Criminal and Traitor'. Are you two too afraid of Methodios? Yes, this probably it!

Dafuge

10-24-2008, 16:35

Senators, to my great dissatifaction between loyalty to my house and my lord I have chosen my house. I have broken my oath to Methodios and swore a new one to Nikolas.

ULC

10-24-2008, 17:10

Nikolaos turns to Savvas. "Deeply disappointed in a man who has a heart? Dear Savvas, you have none? If we all wanted to base our actions on cold logic, one would assume it would be easy enough to simply walk over to a senator and kill them if they disagreed with you, because not only does that eliminate the opposition, but it wastes nothing: no others have to die, no money need be wasted, and no time be lost in logistics or marching armies. That is the cold logic you presume to use. And on such a note, why not have a duel simply between Methodios and the Basileus? No need to involve the entire empire, let the personal insults defuse themselves in a personal battle."

Nikolaos leans back in his chair.

"That of course is using cold logic, as you propose. Rather though, I see few except people such a Isaakios or Tiverios, are using anything but some form of logic. Each person is biased one way or the other, through the corruption of power or personal experience to one man or the other. Bias is created through the forges of personal loyalty and emotion, and bias has nothing to do with ones duty Savvas.

Nikolaos nods to Tiverios

"I wholeheartedly support your plan Tiverios. My troops and my money will only be spent with war with Venice, nothing else. It is what this august body passed, and it should be done. This august body never asked for war betwixt two men of considerable prestige and character, and nor should it fund it. It wold be an insult to this august body in my eyes to do so, to have the money diverted to shed roman blood, blood it was erected to protect, instead of using Imperial funds as this body has directed."

AussieGiant

10-24-2008, 17:47

ULC

10-24-2008, 18:01

I'm at a loss to see where my comments have been biased?

If anyone wishes to refute my comments as they relate to the law of this land and might I add generations of Jurisprudence then please go ahead.

The law is and was quite clear on the matter. While I agree that my delivery has been subjective it is ONLY those that ARE biased that could disagree with my stance on the matter.

If you are objective on this matter then it is as clear as it could ever be.

Apionnas, I never said you were not being logical about this, and I am sorry for not including you among them. This matter, although based in law, has quickly turned into a matter of personal feelings rather then an actual discussion on law. True, it was in within the Basileus right to propose such a union, but even when others tried to find away to at least appease both parties, things quickly turned ugly, as such things will. We are human after all, not mindless, heartless golems, and as such, in an argument like this, personal feelings will invariably come into play, politics, duty, and law be damned.

To say that this is merely about law would indicate that Methodios has no love for his daughter, and to say this is merely about love would be to say the Basileus lacks knowledge of the heart. I am sure no man would say either of these things. And in such matters of the heart, is it not true that it is God the almighty himself who says we should learn to love our enemies just as much as we love our allies?

Andres

10-24-2008, 19:16

Oh, come on Nikolaos Aristenos, enough nonsense already.

This has nothing to do with love or other emotions.

Methodios violated the Charter.

Basileus:
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Powers:
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(10) Decides which Senator, if any, a Princess should marry.

The very Charter our Empire is founded upon. Such an act equals a declaration of war.

As I said: you want love? Become a peasant.

ULC

10-24-2008, 19:31

Oh, come on Nikolaos Aristenos, enough nonsense already.

This has nothing to do with love or other emotions.

Methodios violated the Charter.

The very Charter our Empire is founded upon. Such an act equals a declaration of war.

As I said: you want love? Become a peasant.

It has everything to do with love and emotions Savvas, or are you just being intentionally blind? Or is it that your hypocritical, and wish us not to see the fact that it is only the Basileus Ioannis Komnenos who may violate the charter, as he did so many years ago. He managed to escape unscathed from mistreating an entire House, but when Methodios violates a small section for his daughter it's an uproar. And if my memory serves me correctly, was it not the Caesar who declared a war on the Order because they displeased him? He dragged his entire House unwillingly into it as well. Methodios has done what he can to insure that no one else has been hurt by this, and yet he must absolutely be Satan himself because he defies the will of the Basileus in the name of love.

Andres

10-24-2008, 19:43

It has everything to do with love and emotions Savvas, or are you just being intentionally blind? Or is it that your hypocritical, and wish us not to see the fact that it is only the Basileus Ioannis Komnenos who may violate the charter, as he did so many years ago. He managed to escape unscathed from mistreating an entire House, but when Methodios violates a small section for his daughter it's an uproar. And if my memory serves me correctly, was it not the Caesar who declared a war on the Order because they displeased him? He dragged his entire House unwillingly into it as well. Methodios has done what he can to insure that no one else has been hurt by this, and yet he must absolutely be Satan himself because he defies the will of the Basileus in the name of love.

If your memory serves you well, you will also remember that the Basileus apologised to the Order and accepted a peace treaty.

Returning into the diet, Ioannis Komnenos indicates his desire to speak.

"I must apologise to Antypatos Makedonios Ksanthopoulos for the grievous insult I dealt him. He is well within his rights to seek satisfaction, though it was of my making. My action was foolish and unbecoming of my rank and position.

Though I fear I cannot make it up to him, I offer to provide the Order with 5 catapults from Nicaea in order to strenthen the eastern frontier. I had neglected the the Syrian frontier during my tenure as Megas Logothetes, and must do what I can to make ammends.

I also apologise to this august body for my proposed violence in order to restructure the empire. You have a natural right to despise me, though I trust I may regain your respect.

To my father, forgive me. I deserve banishment for my words to you - such disrespect borders upon treason. You may do with me as you will.

I believe in order to display my sincerity, I must step down from the leadership of the Komnenodoukai. Rest assured that Anypatos Chrysovergos is a true soldier of the empire, and will guard our lands well.

I believe inappropriate to listen in on my judgement, and will retire to my quarters. My scribes will relate all the relevant information to me.

Ioannis Komenenos bows and walks slowly out of the Magnaura

If your memory serves you well, you will also remember that not only did he apologise to the Order for his harsh words and his violations of the Charter, he also accepted the punishment that was in those days called CA 2.1 and now reads as such (bolded the part added by said ammendment):

Once during his reign, the Basileus may automatically assume the post of Megas Logothetes. The Basileus must declare he is exercising that right at a Senate session; he will then be appointed Megas Logothetes with no election. This right can only be invoked once, but the Basileus may also compete in normal Megas Logothetes elections at other Senate Sessions. However, Ioannis Komnenos (OOC: Family tree spot 2.1) is barred from automatically assuming the post of Megas Logothetes. (Added by CA E2.1.)

Ioannis Komnenos apologised, got punished and accepted the punishment.

Therefore, I say: let the past be the past. These matters have been dealt with appropriately.

It is in no way a justification for Methodios' violation of the Charter and declaration of war.

ULC

10-24-2008, 19:53

Nikolaos sighs.

"Forgive me, I grew to rash in my argument, and I withdraw my statement. Nonetheless, are we so foolish as to go to war, over one woman? Over one marriage? Are we to be controlled by our passions so much that we forget ourselves, our loyalties, and our duties...and make war upon ourselves? We call the German Emperor the false emperor, but yet they do not suffer from going to war amongst themselves for such a petty reason. If anything, Methodios should be punished, but an entire people? If we want to use reason, lets use reason: Methodios suffers a punishment fitting through the letter of the law.

So Savvas, what would be a fitting punishment to you? In fact, what would be a fitting punishment to any of us? Savvas is right, Methodios did in fact break the law, but we must also take into account whether a civil war is actually the right action, which to me it is not.

Ituralde

10-24-2008, 20:31

No armies have marched yet and no battle is about to be fought. Before we cry mourn about the death of Roman soldiers we should wait and see what the Caesar has to say about the matter and whether this can not be solved in a civilized manner.

Dafuge

10-24-2008, 21:42

I declare my netriality.

AussieGiant

10-25-2008, 00:49

Again I will day this.

I understand the personal aspect of the situation.

But, as it applies to the law there is simply no room for that to be considered.

OverKnight

10-25-2008, 01:07

Tiverios nods to Pavlos and speaks.

It is unfortunate that the new Megas Logothetes has to assume his postion under such difficulties. I believe him a good man and I have no ill will toward him, indeed I voted for him.

However, the Basileus has acted in a polarising and aggressive manner. He has once again helped to propell us towards Civil War. Barring an Emergency Session, an option available to only a few in this Chamber, there are only so many ways that Senators such as myself can legally protest these events; I have decreased my taxes and closed Constantinople for outside recruitment. I understand these actions are not precise and will effect the Empire on other levels besides this nascent Civil War.

Still, the voices of those who desire peace must be heard! If we merely speak in the Senate, we are easily ignored, but we have taken action as well. Taxes will be fully restored to the Empire once the Basileus begins acting as a leader and not as a bullying tyrant.

Northnovas

10-25-2008, 01:47

Aleksios stands looking over Tiverios...

Senators, wise words have been spoken by Tiverios. I feel the same towards our newly elected Megas Logothetes and it is an unfortunate situation. The law has been broken but the means are unjustified at this time.
I have long waited for a war with the west it is now here and I feel I cannot go and fight because of the concerns for my lands. Our enemies must be laughing at us with such pettiness.
I will support Tiverios's action and close all outside recruitment in Corinth till a better decison is made regarding this matter.
There is a more just way to punish this individual instead of every Noble in the Empire. If an emergency session is required then those men that have the power must act now.

Ignoramus

10-25-2008, 03:12

The Varangian Guard enters the Magnaura and immediately flanks the Basileus, who rises to speak.

AS they have disobeyed my commands, I will do as I have promised.

I hereby declare war on the Order of St. John, for completely ignoring my calls to declare their hand.

I also declare Michail Arianitis a traitor for renouncing his oath of allegiance to the Basileus, which he swore in this august body. I also hereby declare Durazzo confiscated to the empire, and anyone who brings this upstart to account shall be granted Durazzo as a reward.

I also strongly rebuke Aleksios ek Ikoniou and Tiverios Indikoplefstis for closing their provinces from the Megas. I hope that reason will soon rise over petty politics.

Senators, you may have wished to ignore my calls to chose sides before, but you cannot do so now. Choose you this day whom you will serve.

The Basileus leaves the Magnaura, escorted by the Varangians.

deguerra

10-25-2008, 03:14

Ioannis nods approvingly and finally stands to speak himself

I agree entirely with Alexios and Tiverios. That said, I hereby declare war on Methodios Tagaris. I do so entirely unconvinced that war is in any way, shape or form the best course of action and with the strongest appeal to both parties to solve this conflict in a diplomatic fashion. We are Romans, after all, not barbarians or heathens.

I declare war because I believe in the laws of this Empire, and the laws of this Empire, as Apioannas has correctly stated, were broken by Methodios Tagaris. Basileos Ioannis does not have a clean track record with regards to laws, but that is not a matter that needs consideration now. Nor are matters of love and emotion, as Savvas correctly pointed out, even though I too suspect that they are the underlying currents of this conflict.

But I will not judge matters on suspicion and I will not apply law on personal feelings. I will apply law to facts, and the fact is that Methodios' actions were illegal under the laws that we, the Senate of the Roman Empire created. Without these laws there is no Roman Empire and if we start letting emotions and personal grudges get the better of our judgment then we are crafting our own downfall. As far as my application of law is concerned, Methodios is guilty and my declaration of war is the correct response.

Beyond that, however, the law requires naught of me, and I remain increasingly hesitant to follow my declaration with deeds, encourage others to actively wage war or even support those who will seek to do so.

Rather, and this is my initial point, I would like to instruct Nevoulas as the man in charge of Asteri building and recruitment to notify the Megas Logothetes Pavlos, and may I congratulate him on his victory and voice my support in these difficult times, that neither Athens nor Thessaloniki will be available for recruitment of soldiers for the duration of this war and that their taxes should be set to low until further notice. Furthermore, I encourage the other members of House Asteri, our close allies in House Tagmata and indeed all other land-owning Senators to do the same.

With regards to an Emergency session, I have to say I do not think that anybody has the power to call one, nor do I really deem one necessary at this point in time.

Upon hearing Ioannis' latest words, Ioannis (:P)frowns

Basilos, with all due respect, let's not have this get out of hand. And I would like to be included on the list of those rebuked.

flyd

10-25-2008, 03:41

Ha! Now who didn't see this coming?

Let's see then. The Order of St. John, and old rival of our dear Emperor, gets a war declared on them. Their leader has not stated his position on this issue, the rest have been neutral, and Basileus' most vocal detractor has declared for him.

Meanwhile, the other people who have declared neutrality get "rebuked". Senators who have pledged to starve the war of resources (a move against the Basileus, since his follower is the Megas Logothetes) get a warning, while the Order, who have not even taken that action, are enemies.

Oh, what were we talking about before? Was there some princess or something? I forget. It doesn't seem to have much bearing at all.

deguerra

10-25-2008, 03:53

Quite, Isaakios. Whoever said politics couldn't be fun.

I have addressed, I think, the issue of the Princess, of love, of old allegiances and grudges in this matter. If you would like to discuss it further, I can only encourage this.

However, you are quite correct on the matter of neutrality. I would like to make it very clear that I do not declare war on the Order of St. John and as far as I am concerned see these two wars as quite separate. If I am wrong in my interpretation, then I will immediately seek peace arrangements. Furthermore, I sharply condone the declaration of war on the Order for its neutrality, as well as any verbal attack on those who show their neutrality otherwise, a group to which I have tied myself, I might remind you.

GeneralHankerchief

10-25-2008, 04:32

Klimis Dokeianos:

Let me first reaffirm my undying allegiance to Byzantium and thus its leader, Basileus Ioannis Komnenos.

I hereby declare war on Methodios Tagaris, the Order of St. John, and Michail Ariantis.

OverKnight

10-25-2008, 07:27

Tiverios gapes.

What has the Order done to deserve a Declaration of War? The Basileus's Nemesis is in exile on Cyprus and the new Grandmaster has shown no hostility or any sign of treason. This has crossed from a legitmate complaint, though one that should be solved through diplomacy, to a crass land grab.

Your Majesty, I served with your Father. Basileus Aleksios, God rest his soul, would be shamed by this.

I am under no obligation to join in this mercenary act of piracy. You are the Emperor, but your Majesty is not the Law and the Senate is not ruled by decree. I reject your call to arms as it is not for the defense of the Empire, but for settling an old grudge.

Tiverios turns to the rest of the Senate.

I implore my fellow Senators to step back from the Abyss. Do not be a part of this unjust and unworthy persecution. Do not let tyranny flourish in our beloved Empire.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-25-2008, 10:42

So.. The Basileus is finally showing what kind of mad man he is! Declaring War against the Order?! That's a bit stupid, don't you think? But.. If war is what Ioannis wants then war shall he get! I decided to be neutral in the matter of that Princess thing but this...

As long as my Grandmaster says otherwise or signs a peace treaty with Ioannis then this 'Basileus' of ours can count me as his enemy!

AussieGiant

10-25-2008, 10:55

Apionnas shakes his head in resignation and stands.

I hereby declare war on Methodios Tagaris.

The law is clear.

Smowz

10-25-2008, 14:51

Nevoulas looks pleased. He rises from he position amongst the senators of the Kommandaukai.

So we can now see who is for whom. I applaud the High Chancellor Vringas and Patrikos Kalematros here for making their voices heard. It seems their may be a future for our empire after all.

I now need to make arrangements for my fleet that currently is out chasing enemies of the empire. I will make haste now, leaving my aide here to receive any new information and make any new announcements.

As Nevoulas leaves, he walks with this aide now and hands him a slip of paper.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-25-2008, 15:37

Btw.. Will the 'Basileus' Ioannis fight against his own son?! Since Ioannis III mentioned to Michail Arianitis that he might go to Epirus. So.. will Ioannis really fight against his own son?! Now.. let me say this.. Your beloved Basileus is crazy, stupid and power-hungry person! I'm sure that soon he will try to kill he's own sons and everyone who could have claims on the throne! So all of you in the Royal Family - Be warned!!!

woad&fangs

10-25-2008, 16:48

The slander and disloyalty eminating from the House of St. John has become unbearable. Theo and Vissaronios have less honor than common whores. Furthermore, I fail to believe that Grandmaster Armatos has such little control over his vassals. Therefore, it is with a heavy heart that I declare war on the Order of St. John.

You have chosen a side. Now suffer the consequences.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-25-2008, 16:54

Theo looks Andronikos and asks..

So you declare war against us?
Hmm ... Can I ask with what army your going to do that? With your peasant bodyguards riding on their donkeys and using their pitchforks?
And don't talk about Honor. It's something that the Basileus knows nothing about!

Theo smiles...

rossahh

10-26-2008, 00:23

The slander and disloyalty eminating from the House of St. John has become unbearable.

I would think that you would wait until the Grandmaster, the voice of the Order, speaks before you tarnish the entire house. The slander and disloyalty eminates from two members from the Order of St. John, not the house itself.

deguerra

10-26-2008, 01:07

Ioannis Kalameteros (OOC: that was directed at Smowz, though he may be merely retaliating for me never spelling Nevoulas the same way twice) rises

Well said Zigavinos. I also note with satisfaction that Apionnas did not declare war on the Order of St. John. This little extra has absolutely nothing to do with the law of the Empire, and merely shows that there is good reason behind my and other Senators decision to disallow the recruitment and funding from our cities for the purposes of this war.

pevergreen

10-26-2008, 06:31

"I shall make my final comments for now then. Ioannis, I never swore an oath to you. Please, point out the record to others here where I made such an oath. Oh, you can't you don't even bother to stay around and listen. Apionnas, I will not fight you, I remember the day when you entered this chamber, over 25 years ago. I defended you on that day, when others would not."

Michail stumbles around for a few steps.

"Oh, I seem to have been struck down with a madness. The madness of Ioannis. I...I feel the need to declare war on The Order of St. John, The Ilios Korakas and...why not! The entire Orthodox Church!"

Michail walks over to the Basileus' chair, and pulls his pants down.

"I piss on this reigeme and its ruler. I declare war on Ioannis Komnenos."

After Michail is finished urinating on the Basileus' chair, he leaves.

Smowz

10-26-2008, 09:17

Michail enters the Magnaura.

"I swear to defend and uphold the crown!"

The aide to Nevoulas ek Philadelphius reads from a note it was these words uttered by Comes Michail Arianitis. These words were uttered after the Basilues took to the throne and thus had the crown.

Andres

10-26-2008, 14:54

I hereby declare war on Methodios Tagaris and Michail Arianitis.

The Megas is allowed to use the troop training facilities of Arta and the enemies of Methodios Tagaris and Michail Arianitis are allowed passage over the territory of Arta.

Dafuge

10-26-2008, 15:26

Seems like you've finally been pressured into war Senator Militou.

ULC

10-27-2008, 16:33

I hereby declare war upon Michail Arianitis. There was no need to perpetrate such a foul act, it only works to fan flames that have no purpose. However, this idea of declaring war upon the Order of St. John is preposterous. I refuse to lay one hand on a single man of the Order of St. John, no matter his station.

Andres

10-27-2008, 16:45

Seems like you've finally been pressured into war Senator Militou.

ek Militou, not "Militou", ek Militou.

Dafuge

10-27-2008, 21:08

Senator ekkkk Militou.

I believe I prounounce my name Senator Herakliou so I simply assumed yours would be the same. Nice way of avoiding my comment though.

deguerra

10-28-2008, 03:52

I have a further announcement to make. I remain strictly outside of the conflict between the Order of St. John and the Basileos and those who support him in it. While I will not judge the actions and beliefs of others, it is my own firm belief that this conflict is unnecessary, undesirable and completely without basis.

In this spirit, I hereby decree that the territory of House Asteri is closed to any army partaking in that conflict. As far as I am concerned, any army entering House Asteri territory hereby commits itself to staying strictly neutral in that war. Any transgression to this neutrality will be considered as an attack not only on the honour but on the territorial integrity of this House and will be met with any and all legally available measures.

OverKnight

10-29-2008, 02:24

Tiverios stands.

It gives me no pleasure, but I cannot be a part of the Basileus's unjust vendettas. Therefore I must break my oath of loyalty to Apionnas Vringas and declare my neutrality in all of the current conflicts.

While I believe Senator Tagaris defied the Basileus, he was most likely goaded into it by our Majesty's unilateral and uncaring actions concerning his daughter. The declaration of war against the Order and Michail Arianitis with little or no just cause reinforces the tyranny of our leader. His unprovoked attack on the Order to settle a score forgotten by everyone else is a naked land grab. Have you all forgotten his infamous letter (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2000246&postcount=1344) as Caesar?

Of particular concern is the list he proposed for Imperial lands, lands subject directly to the Throne and no one else:

Imperial Provinces:
Constantinople
Rome
Nicaea
Dardanellia
Antioch
Jerusalem
Alexandria

In warring against the Order, the Basileus is seeking to resurrect his dream from a generation ago. Basileus Aleksios, in his wisdom, and the Senate curtailed such ambitions. But now the new Basileus has found Senators willing to do his bidding. Blind loyalty to one man, even the Basileus, does not equal providing true and beneficial service to the Empire as a whole. By allowing the Basileus to rule by decree, intimidation and brute force the Senate is playing with fire. Once he is done with the Order, Tagaris and Arianitis, what will stop him from turning on others who do not meet his, ever more strict, standard of obedience? Will Ioannis Kalameteros's careful dance of neutrality or family connections preserve the Asteri? Will Apionnas Vringas's refusal to war against the Order be remembered? Will Nikolaos Aristenos's refutation of his former Master be enough in the long term? Has Pavlos Chrysovergos been too careful as Megas Logothetes to please the Basileus? What about the unaligned Senators who have not declared against Tagaris at all, such as the Basileus's own brother Isaakios? Is he safe? Are any of us truly safe from the Basileus? Ask yourself that before you turn on your fellow Senators.

We must preserve the balance established by Basileus Aleksios between the Emperor and Senate. It has restored our Empire. It has made us great again, but we must stand on guard against those who would seek to return the Senate to nothing more than a sham and figurehead that it once was. Such a threat is upon us. I ask that an Emergency Session be opened so that we may deal with all these matters diplomatically. Yet, I despair of that happening.

The Empire, this new Empire that we have brought about, is in mortal danger. I pray the Senate realizes this and acts before it is too late.

Tiverios sits.

Northnovas

10-29-2008, 12:50

I Aleksios ek Ikoniou, declare my neutrality on the present internal conflicts and will concentrate all my resources to fight the real enemy of the empire, the Venetians.

Though I see the law in the original conflict too many issues have that the justification appears to have been watered down the original cause.

Therefore. It is with deep regret that I must break my oaths to Ioannis Kalameteros and my vassal and good friend Savvas ek Militou.

Andres

10-29-2008, 15:11

As he hears the words of his Lord Aleksios ek Ikoniou, Savvas stands up. He looks like a man who has lost everything.

Dear Lord, this is a sad day.

Savvas stares at Aleksios.

We shared more then a bond of loyalty and mutual respect. We also shared friendship.

Savvas looks over at Ioannis Kalamateros.

The same goes for us, dear friend.

Savvas turns to the seat of the Basileus.

And us.

Savvas sighs.

The three of you are like brothers to me.

Savvas sighs again and leaves the Magnaura.

_Tristan_

11-01-2008, 20:01

A messenger wearing a Tagaris tabard walks into the Magnaura and delivers a message to the Protoasecretes. Unfolding the parchment, a scribe strolls forward.

Senators,

You will excuse me for not being here in person but I fear it would not be long before I found myself in chains in the darkest dungeon of Constantinople.

Our Basileus has proven to us that any doubts we had on his accession to the Throne has come true. The man always kept in the back of his mind his plans to make his all our holdings his own.

First, he had to find an excuse for a war to erupt, and make himself seen as the aggrieved party. What better excuse but to try to wrench from a loving father his daughter and throw her into the arms of his manhood-deprived brother for no other reason but to force me to refuse him, creating a de facto casus belli out of thin air

... Because I can assure you, fellow Senators, that the fate of my daughter was not once discussed with me prior to the formal announcement... How was I to react to this ? I have the deepest respect for the laws of our Empire but not for those like Ioannis who would hide behind them to commit their crimes against the people of the same Empire. I would even have submitted to any punishment this august body would have deemed necessary for my transgression, though I fear it is too late now... The devil is out of the box and can't be put back in... Ioannis has played his hand and won't take it back...

Now the spark has lit the fuse... Ioannis has now declared war on the Order of St John, a House of our Empire with which he has been at odds for decades. He now sees an opportunity to get back to them under pretenses of their not answering his call to arms, while ignoring others' declaration of neutrality. But for how long ?

I ask you, fellow Senators, how long before Ioannis turns against you ? Won't you wish at that time that you made a stand before ?

People have been faced with the same question throughout history when confronted by tyranny : whether to stand and fight... or grovel and wonder when your turn will come ?

I see many here who have chosen to grovel... So you should start wondering when your turn will come...

I will make a stand and should I lose, I hope my words will be remembered.

Methodios Tagaris
Caesar of the Basileion ton Romaion
Defender of the People

The scribe then hands the parchment back to the Protoasecretes.

TinCow

11-02-2008, 14:57

*The Protoasecretes clears his throat.*

I have received word that former Megas Logothetes Nevoulos ek Philadelphias has perished in battle. As he did not have a valid last will and testament, his provinces of Markiople and Belgrade are now the property of his Lord, Zigavinos Vasilakios.

Ibn-Khaldun

11-03-2008, 16:53

A message is brought to the Magnaura..

Senators,

I think you all have already heard that I have seized the fleet that was near Crete. But to be honest, those men were unwilling to serve the Empire as long as no one stands up the 'Basileus' and they joined with my fleet voluntarily! They promised to do what ever I decide to do, even if that means going against the rest of the Empire.
To those, who might say that I don't allow the war against Venice to reach Italy, I say this - there is always the land route to the holdings of Venice! If Isaakios Komnenos want to leave Crete then I can spare him one of the ships, though,but in mean time I will proceed my voyage to east!

'Admiral' Theo Petzeas

_Tristan_

11-03-2008, 17:35

The same messenger wearing Tagaris regalia walks into the Magnaura. Exchanging a few words with the Protoasecretes who gives him a nod, he then proceeds to the centre of the floor.

My Lords,
Senators,

My name is Nikodemos Parientis. I am a friend and retainer of Caesar Methodios Tagaris who cannot come before you for the obvious reasons you all know

I know that my own life may be forfeit by appearing before you but I am more than willing to take the risk to make the voice of my friend heard.

Methodios wishes to express his deepest regrets for the loss of ex-Megas Nevoulas ek Philadelphias. He sends his condolences to his family and friends.

Methodios has told me Nevoulas had seved the Empire to the best of his abilities as Megas and had always been available whatever other pressing matters may have occupied him. Even with is latest declaration of war against him, Methodios bears him no ill will, for the man acted according to his conscience, without second thoughts but following his idea of how best to serve the Empire.

It is a shame that Nevoulas' dream of bringing the fight to the last remnants of the Muslim faith in Moorish lands has failed through his death. Methodios only hopes that some other will take up the flame that Nevoulas held so high.

Let us all mourn the passing of such a noble man.

His message delivered, Nikodemos walks to the bench formerly occupied by Methodios and sits in his place, visibly ill at ease and wary of the menacing presence of the Varangians at the Senate doors.

rossahh

11-04-2008, 07:24

Zigavinos listens to the representative of Methodios speak and nods absently at the man's last words. As Nikodemos sits down, one of Nevoulas's aides hands the keys to Belgrade and Markiople to Zigavinos. Remebering the words of the funeral, Zigavinos twirls the key to Belgrade around his fingers while looking at the Basileus, thinking hard to himself. Eventually he puts the key into his pocket, and beckons his scribe.

"Send the following to Belgrade and Markiople:

Fire all tax collectors. Cancel all military training and recruiting. No soldiers are to enter or exit the settlement.

Zigavinos Vasilakios
Comes of Smyrna, Iconium, Markiople and Belgrade

_Tristan_

11-04-2008, 22:53

Nikodemos, Methodios' representative, walks before the Senators with a beaming smile, carrying a large bag in one of his hands.

Senators,

I have great news to announce : my master Methodios Tagaris, Caesar of the Basileion ton Romaion, known as the Conqueror, has lived up to his name and reputation. Though under threat of attack by the Basileus and his cohorts, he gathered a few of his men and using guile and the cover of night, he managed to enter the Holy City of the Muslims, Mecca.

Once in the city, he engaged the Fatimid Sultan, last of his line, and killed him in single battle. Four of our men fell in that battle, a small cost to see the last of those heathens. The city was sacked, the riches of the mosques looted and those edifices put to the torch. 8000 florins have been added to our treasury through this. The Fatimid threat is no more...

In remembrance of Kosmas Mavrozomis, first Crusader to ever set foot on Egyptian soil and first victim of the war against the heathens, my master has renamed the city Kosmopolis.

Now, my master has seen fit to send a gift to the shadow that stands behind the throne of Ioannis... A muslim shadow... So, Apionnas Vringas... This here is for you...

With those words, Nikodemos deftly unties the cord that binds the bag and reaches in... His hand comes out with a unidentifiable bundle that a quick movement of his arm propels through the air towards the bench where Apionnas Vringas is seated...

The bundle lands a bit short in front of Apionnas with a loud splat. Those nearest to him are sprayed by droplets of a dark and pungent liquid, their nostrils assailled by a foul stench...

Conquering their distaste, they look at the bundle to see that it is a human head, wearing a black beard and an enturbaned head sporting a gold circlet, its open eyes staring vacantly at the onlookers.

OverKnight

11-05-2008, 07:17

Tiverios watches the display with a faint air of disgust.

Senator Vringas has served the Empire with loyalty and distinction. I realize that he and Senator Tagaris are in conflict, but you and your Master's clumsy insinuations are an insult.

While I disagree with many of Basileus Ioannis's actions, I do not believe him to be the thrall of some shadowy Muslim conspiracy. Without any evidence, only a fool or half-wit would believe such absurd fantasies.

I urge the Baslieus and Senator Tagaris to make peace, or that head may not be the last one strewn on the floor of the Senate.

AussieGiant

11-05-2008, 09:25

Apionnas reacts to the description of the sacking and looting of the Holy city of Mecca with a rising anger. Standing in preparation for his response, his feature set into a hard mask when the vacant eyes of the last Sultan stare upwards at him.

Apionnas's eye glitter with the threat of violence as he stares at the smiling face of Nikodemos.

"While I applaud your masters skill at arms, it seems civilised behaviour has finally fallen away from the carefully constructed facade of our Caesar's moral high ground in this civil war.

If his latest actions were designed to goad me into an unthinking act then you have sadly overplayed your hand considerably.

It seems clear that the Caesar of this Empire has devolved into nothing more than a hateful barbarian with little or no regard for integrity or honour. The fact that his minion here smiles gleefully at this act speaks volumes to the mind set and agenda's now dominating the rebel leadership.

It seems the end of a civilisation is nothing more than a stepping stone towards brutal dictatorship should Caesar Tagaris ever become Emperor. The sacking, looting and total destruction of my former homeland in this manner is unbecoming what I had thought was the pre-eminent civilisation of this world. It seems I was sadly mistaken in this matter and Caesar Tagaris has just confirmed this with his actions.

Lord Tiverios, it seems your statement of neutrality is becoming harder to stomach given these latest acts.

I wonder what is to befall the other lands surrounding us now that this precedent has been set.

Motioning to two Varagrian's, they scoop up the sightless head and remove it from the chamber.

ULC

11-05-2008, 09:50

Demetrios walks briskly into the Magnaura with a mild scowl across his face. He sees Nikodemos and he seems to turn even more sour, until he marches straight up to Apionnas and bows to him gracefully. "Lord High Chancellor Apionnas, I send word to you that Hypatos Nikolaos Aristenos plans to set sail to Italia and reclaim what should rightfully be Roman soil. He also wishes to apologize what happened to Mecca, he had no idea that such an event would pass." Demetrios hands over Nikolaos battle plan to Apionnas, before turning to leave.

AussieGiant

11-05-2008, 10:29

Taking the note Apionnas reads the missive impassively. Once finished he calls one of his administrators and speaks quietly to him. Once complete the administrator leaves with some haste.

flyd

11-05-2008, 18:54

A letter arrives from Isaakios Komnenos and is read aloud.

Senators,

I apologize for the lateness of this address, but I have been recovering from battle wounds and have come down with a case of royal pneumonia. You are probably aware of what has transpired on Crete. You have heard of the heroic death of Nevoulos ek Philadelphias, and his skillful destruction of a powerful Venetian army. I have taken the city, Senators, but to say that they offered a token resistance would be to embellish. The Venetians on Crete had been thoroughly crushed into a fine powder by Nevoulos. It is a shame that we no longer have that man to lead our armies. By tradition, I have renamed the city to Nevoulion, which I occupied peacefully. There has been some rioting, but I imagine they will get over it soon enough.

Alas, where there is wheat, there is somewhere an equivalent amount of chaff, so let's speak of it for a moment. I speak of the man named Theophylaktos Petzeas, although 'man' is such a strong word, I don't know if I would give it that much credit. While I was ashore to finish a dead man's work and regain Crete, the seat of the oldest Greek civilization, this sub-human entity had taken the opportunity to steal my ships. The sailors followed it because it flashed its Senatorial robes at them (whoever gave it those had made a serious blunder). I was going to use those ships to make war on the Venetians, which, as some of you may still recall, are now our enemies. I will not waste much ink condemning this man-like object, but will only say this:

I declare war on Theophylaktos Petzeas

I do not mean to pursue this war in any sense, but it is only a declaration that if I should come across this pile of bovine manure which had been given a name (making it more convenient to declare war on than your average pile of bovine manure), I will kill it.

As to the Order of "St. John", they are complicit. Their grandmaster, a man not fit to kiss the ground on which his predecessor may have spit or coughed upon, has not taken action to curtail the activities of his excremental vassal. In my stance towards the current civil war, it has driven me further to neutrality. The best thing that could happen to the Empire would seem to be that they should kill each other off well. I would suggest settling the "issue" in personal combat, so that blood of honest Greeks need not be shed, but they are not interested in that by definition.

That would be it for my address, as this is the longest letter I can compose in my present physical state. Not to worry though, the physician has said that my battle wounds will heal quickly, and the pneumonia should be gone in a few years.

So long from sunny Crete,

Isaakios Komnenos, son of Alexios

AussieGiant

11-05-2008, 20:40

With a look of mild amusement on his face Apionnas nods his head in agreement.

Well said.

AussieGiant

11-06-2008, 15:11

Apionnas is seen deep in conversation with Demetrios for sometime, the Varangian Guardsmen near by can be seen tensing with anticipation as there are some heated words.

Eventually they part ways.

Apionnas then walks to the middle of the Magnaura and speaks;

"Lords of Byzantium, it is now clear in my mind that I will make it my sole purpose to strive as strongly as I can to resolve the differences between the Basileus and our Caesar.

In that regards I would ask both men to meet me at a mutually agreeable location to discuss and resolve the issue that is threatening to dissolve and negate the progress we have made and an Empire to date.

I would ask that both men send word here to this chamber as to where they would like this meeting to take place."

Ignoramus

11-07-2008, 11:05

The Basileus makes an appearance after his long absence.

If the Caesar is willing, I am willing to meet him at my castle in Dardanellia. It is but a humble abode, but sadly the capital is unavailable.

The Basileus resumes his seat.

_Tristan_

11-07-2008, 11:28

Nikodemos, Methodios' agent raises upon hearing the Basileus' words.

My Lord Ioannis,

My master Methodios is amenable to meeting you to resolve this matter. He told me he has sent you and your master of ceremony, Senator Vringas, as well as the Megas, a letter detailing his proposals and conditions prior to the meeting.

He eagerly awaits your answer.

He also suggests that besides Lord Vringas, another arbiter of the debate be present. Though Methodios doesn't doubt of the good will of Lord Vringas, he is well known as a staunch supporter of your cause and this may cloud his judgment. My master is open to any suggestion as to who may second Lord Vringas.

With a bow, Nikodemos sits down.

AussieGiant

11-07-2008, 13:47

Apionnas

I am currently drawing up the terms and conditions of the meeting.

Your respective requirements must be addressed in this correspondence.

Once agreed I will present them here for the Magnaura to observe.

AussieGiant

11-12-2008, 22:19

Apionnas strides into the Magnaura.

"Senators of Byzantium I wish to read the following statement:

Our Basileus and Caesar have agreed to a meeting, which will take place on the island of Nicosia under the following terms:

1) There will be no personal insults as part of the negotiations. Apionnas in consultation with Tiverios will determine what is and what is not regarded as a personal insult should one party claim that this has occurred. If I agree that a personal insult has been made then either side can break off negotiations without penalty.

2) The island of Nicosia will be used as the meeting place.

3) Both parties, not matter the result will be free to return to their respective cities free of hindrance, entrapment or any other means of foul play that prevents this from happening.

4) Apionnas Vringas will organise and select all security and guardsmen for the meeting. Both parties are permitted to bring 2 representatives (avatars) and 5 personal soldiers for protection.

ALL other military forces on the island will be Varangian Guardsmen.

5) Both parties commit to explore every possibility to resolve this conflict.

6) If an accord is reached ALL current declarations of war will be rescinded as required by law.

7) As a 3rd party to sign and be witness to any agreements including the proceedings, Tiverios Indikoplefstis will be in attendance to partner Apionnas Vringas.

Both parties have until the start of the summit to invite 2 guests respectively.

At this point in time only four people will be present:

Ioannis Komnenos
Methodios Tagaris

Tiverios Indikoplefstis (witness and administrator)
Apionnas Vringas (witness and administrator)

Senators, I will ensure that the transcripts of this meeting are sent by faster messenger to this chamber so you may all stay abreast of the deliberations and outcomes, if any.

deguerra

11-12-2008, 23:44

One question Apionnas.

You say that all declarations of war are to be rescinded. I assume you mean those declarations made by the parties present. I may have "joined" the Basileos in this war, but my declaration of war is my own, and I will rescind nothing based on the outcome to a meeting to which I have not been invited.

Please don't take this offensively, it is not meant as such. In all likelyhood, if the Caesar and the Basileos come to an agreement, I too will cease the war. But I will not be bound by things beyond me control.

AussieGiant

11-13-2008, 08:37

Senator Ioannis,

You are quite correct. The meeting and these terms are only binding on the men who are present.

You may continue which ever conflict you wish to pursue. I am hoping of course that if the main protagonists have resolved their differences then it will be entirely pointless for others to continue.

Ibn-Khaldun

11-16-2008, 22:49

A message is brought to the Magnaura. One of the scribes take it and read it to the rest of the people in Magnaura..

Senators,

I must inform you that a terrible accident happened to Theo Petzeas. While inspecting his ships supplies a loose barrel hit him hard. It is a miracle that he survived. He can not move and his left side is paralyzed. He will retire into his estate near Theopolis(former Aleppo).

Simon, Theo Petzeas' bodyguard

rossahh

11-17-2008, 02:55

A loud cheer resounds around the chamber at the news

Rowan

11-17-2008, 14:51

Graying Vartholomaios Ksiros is idly leafing through the latest proceedings of the Nicosia summit

"We" must apologise! "We"!? As far as I know the two ranking officers of the Order have never insulted Basileus. As for the rest of the knights, they are not servants to be commanded and have rights to their personal opinions.

His voice lowers to a grumble only people next to him could hear

Besides, has _he_ ever tried to tell Vissa something to do! The man's as stubborn as a mule, even old Makedonios couldn't sway him... and Theo, when I was young there was no talk of a Knight even tasting wine... God knows how he got into that accident of his, probably blind drunk again...

deguerra

11-19-2008, 14:01

Looking through what is being said at Nicosia, it seems to me that there is no agreement forthcoming between the parties.

If I may offer a piece of advice to Apionnas who so graciously and selflessly took the role of mediator: it can be helpful to get the parties to focus on objectives they want to see met. By that I mean not objectives in terms of "Get X to apologise". The focus needs to be on the issues behind the immediate confrontation. At the moment, both parties are looking at personal matters rather than the issues behind them. If both parties could define concrete objectives that do not focus on what others should do, but what outcomes should be reached, they could then start looking for common ground.

As it is, I don't think this is getting anywhere.

rossahh

11-23-2008, 06:08

Before people begin to propose their motions, let me just take this opportunity to praise the efforts of Pavlos Chrysovergos and the work he has put into his term of office. He has done a fantastic job.

However, the tax policy which we in the Asteri have implemented will last as long the civil war does. Should the parties reach an agreement then our tax collectors will go back to work. Until such a time exists, our tax collectors will not be fulfulling their duties.

TinCow

11-23-2008, 15:29

The Protoasecretes wakes up suddenly.

"What? Again?! Bah..."

"I hereby declare the Senate Session of 1170 AD open! It will remain open for proposing legislation and campaigning of candidates for Megas Logothetes until Wednesday, November 26th at 15:00 GMT."

Andres

11-24-2008, 09:32

Savvas enters the Magnaura, a bitter expression on his face. After taking a few steps, it is obvious for all that he's drunk.

I didn't expect to live long enough for yet another Magnaura Session.

What nonsense will it be this time? Civil war between Appionas and the Basileus? Aleksios ek Ikoniou swearing an oath of fealthy to the Order of St John? Ioannis Kalameteros for once becoming a father of his own son instead of a string of bastards?

Idiocy.

Savvas sits down and sips on yet another goblet of wine.

Ignoramus

11-24-2008, 10:25

The Basileus returns from Nicosia and before he sits down prepares to shock the Maganura.

"I am running for the position of Megas Logothetes."

He sits down.

Andres

11-24-2008, 10:50

Savvas whispers to his scribe. The man looks shocked and tries to argue with his drunk master. Savvas gives his scribe a slap and the man hastily runs out of the Magnaura to return within a few minutes, followed by a black labrador.

Savvas stands up, with a big, drunken smile on his face.

Ladies of the Magnaura, I hereby declare that I transfer my position and all my belongings to this dog, Blacky.

Since Blacky cannot speak for herself, I am honored to be her spokesman.

Blacky, senator of the Byzantine Empire, has informed me that she will run for the position of Megas Logothotes.

As a first step during her reign, she will give Constantinople to the Venetians in return for peace. She will also recruit armies of peasants and declare war on Brittania or whatever Kingdoms are established in that desolate place.

Savvas ek Militou will be granted exclusive ownership of all wineyards in the Empire.

Savvas sits down again, looking very pleased with himself.

Ituralde

11-24-2008, 11:18

Pavlos chuckles slightly.

'Tis a bloody good agenda you're running on Savvas and your candidate seems fit too. It can be a dog's work on some days. To make the term of the next Megas easier be he royal or canine I propose the following Charter Amendment.

CA 7.1:
A Senator, that is not accompanied by an army of four units, is not allowed to seize more than two ships without the permission of the Megas Logothetes.

Our possesions are sprawling and a functionable navy is required to reach destinations swiftly. The decision how to use our limited and expensive navy should rest mostly with the Megas and only partly with the individual Senators.

Alerion

11-24-2008, 11:22

Sophronios, completely silent until this time, this being his first Session, stands up.

"I second Charter Amendment CA 7.1"

He then sits down again.

Andres

11-24-2008, 11:43

Blacky barks.

Savvas stands up quickly, only to stumble back onto his seat. Slowly, he manages to stand up, leaning heavily with one hand on his scribe and the other on his desk.

The esteemed Canine Senator would like to propose Edict 45.7:

"Streetdogs are a disgrace for the Empire. Therefore, all resources of the Empire will be primarily dedicated to the building of luxuruous dog houses where dogs are served the finest of meat and water and will benefit the company of the most attractive dogs of the opposite sex. Or the same sex, why not?"

Savvas takes his goblet of wine.

"All hail to Blacky! And an early congratulations on her newly acquired position of Megas Logothetes!"

Savvas empties the goblet and sits down. His scribe anxiously tries to calm down his master. Savvas screams:

Shut up, you idiot! This "esteemed" (he almost spit out the word) legislative body has degenerated into a dirty mudpit where short term political gain is more important then long standing friendships! Where is Aleksios ek Ikoniou? I'm still waiting on his apology for breaking our bounds.

Look at the kid (he points at the Basileus)! What has become of him? We all praise his father, but his father was an idiot! Why didn't he give his son an equal amount of love as he gave his daughter!

And see what it has lead to. The daughter that got all the love she ever needed turned into a slut, producing bastard son after bastard son. And the Basileus, poor child, has become the most hated figure of the Empire.

Our former Basileus was an idiot!

All Senators are idiots, including me!

Blacky is as good a candidate as any other of these clowns.

Savvas spits on the ground.

Ignoramus

11-24-2008, 11:58

The Basileus sighing, stands to address the Magnaura.

I sympathise with my dear colleague, Savvas. I have had little sanity over the whole of my life.

However, I wish to announce to the Magnaura that if they esteem me with the honour of ruling my own empire, I will sail off to Italy and honour them with my absence. I wish for nothing more than to oversee the invasion of Italy under my own command and then to retire to the comfortable villas of the Tiber.

In order to make my desires official, I would submit this humble proposal to the Magnaura for their careful consideration.

Rule Change 7.1: Once Rome is conquered, the Empire shall be split into two. Italy shall be ruled directly by the Basileus, and the Eastern half of the empire shall be ruled by the elected nobles of the Magnuara under the current provisions in our most glorious charter.

Under this Rule Change, those vassals who wish to may swear fealty directly to the Basileus. They will lose their privilege of voting in the Magnaura and from becoming Megas Logothetes, but will be able to govern provinces granted to them by the Basileus.

The Basileus bows slightly before the Magnaura.

Andres

11-24-2008, 13:26

Yes! What a wonderful idea! In order to make the Byzantine Empire more powerful, we will split it!

But why just two pieces? Why not making 500 little Byzantine Empires. I claim Byzantine Empire 263 for my own and I shall be the sole ruler of two peasants, four pitchforks and a cow!

Savvas sighs.

My dear colleagues, please, let sanity reign and elect Blacky as your Megas Logothetes. She's a good dog. Under her reign, at least the streetdogs will be happy.

Savvas sits down again, mumbling words like "idiots" and "absurdity".

Alerion

11-24-2008, 15:29

Sophronios gets up.

"Father, this is absurd. To split our empire would weaken us significantly. Remember what good it did to the roman empire when it happened the last time. No, the opposite has to happen now. We must unify, stop bickering against each other in petty conflicts, stop greeding for inividual power and start looking at what's best for our empire and our people. Step over your shadow and end the so called civil war, so we can focus on what is important. And I am not trying to say all that happened is your fault and that's why you have to be the one who solves it. No, you have to solve it, because you are the Basileus. You do not have the right to be offended personally. You have to think of the empire first and only after that about your personal feelings. Be the man, the empire needs right now."

Smowz

11-24-2008, 20:51

A hooded figure appears at the door. He presents his papers to the appropriate authorities. They have a shocked and astounded look on their faces. The discussion between the dignitaries look animated as the hooded figure stands motionless and peers into the great senate hall.

After lengthy discussions and debates the authorities look with a defeated look on their face, the man standing before them is legally a senator of the Empire and must be allowed into the hall.

The man walks into the centre of the Magnuara and reveals his face to all.

I am Vakchos Tzetzis, husband of Hypatia Tagaris, I have come as I am told is my right and duty to vote in the Megas elections and any laws suggested in this weeks discussions.

I come and find this... nothing more than a shambolic circus.

Quite frankly the two choices of Megas are clearly unsatisfactory. No offence to the emperor, but I would rather he concentrates on the matter of his cival war rather than attempted to sieze the title of Megas.

As far as Savvas, as a soldier who has seen many men die for the cause of this empire - I find this highly disrespectful. Out of respect for your accomplishments and long service I will not declare cival war on you and your 'thing' as is my right and give you a chance to halt this charade right now. Hell if you actually ran for office you may well have my vote.

Andres

11-24-2008, 21:45

As far as Savvas, as a soldier who has seen many men die for the cause of this empire - I find this highly disrespectful. Out of respect for your accomplishments and long service I will not declare cival war on you and your 'thing' as is my right and give you a chance to halt this charade right now. Hell if you actually ran for office you may well have my vote.

Disrespectful?

Savvas bursted out in laughter.

Check the history of the last few decades, boy.

I will only run for Megas if I have the guarantee of all men present here that they will stop all hostilities between Roman Senators.

And I'll start with myself : I offer peace to all I have declared war to.

Unconditional.

Let us all declare peace, Senators, to end this madness.

The summit at Nicosia failed.

We all know what will happen if we leave the Magnaura before we all have signed a peace treaty. The Civil War will not just be a funny, sitting war like it has been thus far. All hell will break loose. The rest of the world will look at us, first in amazement and then they will smile. Once we have slaughtered each other, our foes will decide among themselves who will take what share.

Senator Tzetzis, as long as my colleagues want to continue their idiotic behaviour, Blacky remains candidate for the position of Megas Logothetes.

After all, we wouldn't want the history books write that an old drunkard was the last sane person in the Byzantine Magnaura.

Smowz

11-24-2008, 22:25

woad&fangs

11-24-2008, 23:57

upon hearing Tzetzis speak Andronikos loudly grinds his teeth. He then stands up and walks regally towards the Order of St. John

Good sirs, we have been at odds too long over petty words. Especially us, Grandmaster. So I will hereby state my desire for peace between us. I believe we have a common interest in bringing the remaining Seljuk lands into the empire. Therefore, I propose Edict 7.1: A joint invasion of Mesopotamia is to be conducted by Andronikos Komnenos and The Order of St. John.

I will end hostilities with any member of the Order who seconds this edict. Let us fight together against a common foe as good Romans should.

Rowan

11-25-2008, 08:46

Vartholomaios Ksiros stands up, and faces Andronikos

I will gladly accept your offer and take part in one more attack to finally crush the Turks once and for all. I hereby second Edict 7.1.

Now if only your brother would have as much wisdom as you do and work with us instead of against us!

Andres

11-25-2008, 11:57

Savvas, I see I have aroused the old veteran in you and understand all to well the purpose of your tirades. Beneath the supposed drunken exterior their lies a brilliant mind I am sure.

I welcome your amnesty - I think a similar gesture from all parties involved would be welcome. I fear however this will not be possible and that something radical needs to happen.

The source of the discontent is clearly the emperor, there are many senators who simply refuse to recognize his authority.

You are correct the thought of this farce continuing beyond this senatorial session is horrendous. I call on the emperor to suggest a speedy resolution.

Don't flatter me, boy.

The source of discontent is not the Emperor, it is greed, jealousy and in general the worst of human nature.

This mess is not the fault of one man, so please, don't put the blame on one party.

It is good to see that Andronikos and old Bart seem to come to their senses.

And allthough the Emperor's proposal of splitting the Empire is not his most brilliant idea, it is clear that he desires peace as well.

If our Caesar, Methodios Tagaris, would express his desire for peace as well, we can finally start working to a solution where the common goal is peace.

Turning our resources against a common foe sounds like a good idea.

I second Edict 7.1.

Now if only your brother would have as much wisdom as you do and work with us instead of against us!

The Emperor already expressed his desire for peace. Instead of throwing oil on the fire with nasty remarks like that, you should also confirm to us that peace between the Roman noblemen is what you want.

To all involved in a conflict with a fellow Roman Senator, I would like to adress the following question:

Do you desire the end of this Civil War?

Note that if it continues after this session, it won't limit itself to just words, but to fierce battles where former friends and allies will slaughter each other.

Rowan

11-25-2008, 12:13

Savvas, of course I desire an end to this absurd war! We refrained from taking any stance, not even defying Basileus by declaring neutrality, in the original conflict and the Basileus thanks us by declaring us traitors. We refuse to become the aggressors, staying within our own borders even though at one point we had a sizable navy to transport our armies! We have done nothing to provoke this war!

If the Basileus wants to have peace I am willing to accept an unconditional peace treaty proposed by him, as I am willing to accept his brothers offer. I require no formal apology from him, but I am not going to beg for peace.

As for your threats of bloodshed, color me not impressed. The Basileus has had a whole Megas term to prosecute his war and so far his ineptitude in this war surpasses even his ineptitude in peace!

Andres

11-25-2008, 12:49

I'm not threatening anybody, I am merely pointing out the facts.

As you may have noticed, all my feudal ties with House Asteri and Tagamata are broken and I am now an unalligned Senator. I'm not in a position to threatening the Order.

If I understand this well, both the Order and the Basileus want peace. The Order agrees on an unconditional peace treaty. So, if the Basileus accepts this, we have already ended one war.

It seems like we are making progress.

Now, if only Methodios Tagaris would show his face in this sacred place, we might be able to end another of these silly wars.

Who knows, maybe my colleagues will eventually succeed to convince Blacky to withdraw her candidacy for the position of Megas.

Rowan

11-25-2008, 12:59

One of the scribes passes Vartholomaios a neatly folded letter. Vartholomaios reads the letter, looks around and promptly leaves the chambers.

Northnovas

11-25-2008, 14:29

Aleksios enters the chamber, tired and still wearing his uniform from his campaign in the west. He walks to the floor and addresses the room….

Senators of the Empire,

These are truly a sad time for me personally and the Empire. Savvas my dear friend I am truly sorry for my actions (looking directly at Savvas)and I know that correspondence was not the right means to sever our oaths. I was thoughtless and too rash in my decision making. Forgive me old friend. (turning to the rest of the room..)

Yes Senators, rash for I thought our Empire was in great turmoil and did not want to shed Roman blood for a minor internal feud. Look at us now!! We are no more united then the last session and now there is legislation to have official two Empires! I will go mad with this absurdity! How can we even discuss these matters when we are at real war with two neighbours? We have armies and infrastructure to build….. (scans the room) yet we are looking at retiring the Basileus on the Italian peninsula and the rest of the nobles can have the spoils in the east. ARRGGHH! Madness absolute madness, maybe I will have to support Blacky’s candidacy for Constantinople to the Venetians!? I must be wasting my time besieging their settlements and defeating their armies in the field in order for the Basileus to retire in Italy.

I am not be difficult man to get along with and I must say that Pavlos you truly did an outstanding job in these difficult times and I recognized your ability to work for the Empire and cooperated with you on the port facilities in our time of need because we are at war with a real enemy. Yet we stand a house divided with no one willing to give a compromise on the summit that was arranged by Apionnas. I also commend you for this effort. The more I talk the more sense it makes to have a dog in the position of Megas to run the Empire because the animal does not let its ego get in the way of rational thinking and uses its instincts to survive.

Yes survive gentleman that is what it is all about. Survival and no nation can stand on its own when it is eating itself from within. We have foolish thoughts of a capital in Rome when our capital is rotting from within or is that the grand plan? The east is refuse lets move on further west and open shop and when that is done we will continue to move further west till we run out of land and then we will take over the sea. Hahaha, not so mad when you truly think about it ..... another Atlantis?

No I am not drunk, just sorely annoyed with the state of affairs and cannot see us progressing much further till we resolve our internal issues. …… (quieter) I am a tired and old man standing alone here before you. I have lost all that I have acquired because of this conflict of law. I am threat to no one here hopefully I am still enough of a threat to the Venetians and can finish my work. For I know where my priorities are …… about the rest of you?

After slowly surveying the room he walks to his seat and to see his friend Savvas and pat Blacky.

AussieGiant

11-25-2008, 14:57

Apionnas strides back into the Magnaura and takes a seat. His scowl leaves no doubt as to his frame of mind and general attitude towards anyone.

He grunts a non-intelligible sound at the recent exchange.

TinCow

11-25-2008, 15:04

The Protoasecretes eyes the Senators skeptically.

"It seems that not only can you not agree on much of anything, but the election for Megas Logothetes is currently an exclusive contest between the Basileus and a dog. I'm not certain what the Codex has to say about canines holding office, but I would prefer to not have to look it up."

"Thus, in the interests in encouraging a more useful discussion in this, the governing body of the Byzantine Empire, I hereby extend the duration of the Senate Session of 1170 AD. It will now remain open for proposing legislation and campaigning of candidates for Megas Logothetes until Saturday, November 29th at 15:00 GMT."

Andres

11-25-2008, 15:26

Well, since not everybody seems willing to show his face, I'm afraid we won't get a signed treaty before the end of this session.

Therefore, I suggest another solution.

I don't think we can force the parties involved to sign a peace treaty through legislation, but I do think that we can guarantee an at least temporary cease-fire until the next Magnaura session.

Since I am not of a sufficient rank to propose Charter Amendments, I would like to ask one of my colleagues to propose the following CA:

"During the period of 1170-1185 there will be a cease-fire between all the participants in civil war. Whoever violates the cease-fire, will be stripped of his rank and will lose all his settlements and retinue. By the sole fact of violating the cease-fire, the settlements and retinue belonging to the culprit will automatically belong to the direct victim of the violation. Will be considered acts of war and thus violations of this cease-fire: a) moving troops through enemy territory without permission of the owner of said territory; b) besieging an enemy settlement ; c) blokkading an enemy port ; d) attacking an enemy army on territory that does not belong to you ; e) ordering an assassin to kill enemy units or an enemy general ; f) any act of sabotage against enemy belongings. The Megas Logothetes will be allowed to dedicate all resources of the Empire to capture or kill the culprit. If the violator of the ceasefire is the Megas Logothes, then he will automatically lose his position. An Emergency Senate Session will automatically take place and a new Megas Logothetes will be elected."

Ramses II CP

11-25-2008, 23:02

A letter arrives with the seal of Vissarionas ek Lesvou attached, the messenger having delivered it to the Imperial scribes and departed in some haste. A rather surprised looking scribe comes forward to read the very brief message.

Word has reached me that there are no legal candidates for Megas. As filling this role is essential for the proper running of our empire I put myself forward for the position. I have never sought power, but have always come at the call of duty, and I write today in that capacity.

As I am unable to attend the Magnaura personally I will be answering questioning by letter and I would encourage those to whom I write replies to publish my responses here if they wish.

Vissarionas ek Lesvou

:egypt:

rossahh

11-26-2008, 00:59

Andres

11-26-2008, 09:06

Savvas, the way I read your proposed Charter Ammendment, ALL of the Empire's military activities would come to a halt for 15 whole years, including our advances against the Turks and the Venetians. Surely you mean to prohibit intra-Byzantine conflict, but not foreign action?

It says clearly "between all the participants in civil war", not "between participants in civil war and foreign foes".

I for one will not vote for Vissarionas ek Lesvou. A man who doesn't dare to show his face in the Magnaura or doesn't know how to travel is not fit for the position of Megas. I'd rather vote for my dog then for Vissarionas.

Ituralde

11-26-2008, 09:31

Andres

11-26-2008, 09:41

Senators Savvas and Aleksios are right. My past term as Megas has shown me how bad this state of Civil War is for the Empire. I am not getting any younger and since the main war factions have not agreed in their meetings I will make the first step.

I offer bloody peace to Methodios Tagaris without further condition!

Pavlos sits back down grumbling to himself.

Can't take a state of war to you grave. That's bad luck that is.

Pavlos, it seems like some Senators are just too stubborn to even show themselves here, in the Magnaura.

I think the best us old farts can accomplish is a Charter Amendment to enforce a ceasefire.

Let's hope that in the next session some of the young ones (nods at Vakchos Tzetzis and Andronikos Komnenos) will manage to talk some sense into our colleagues.

Turns towards Ioannis Komnenos.

Dear Basileus, please propose the Charter Amendment for a ceasefire. If you do so, it won't be you who will go into history as the aggressor.

Rowan

11-26-2008, 09:51

Vartholomaios Ksiros enter the Magnaura, scans the proceedings for what has been spoken in his absence and stands to make a proclamation.

I would like to remind all senators that a lack of public announcements does not mean there have not been private offers of peace. I would urge all senators to show some patience as harsh words have been said in the past and things take time to set up.

Furthermore, I would like to apologize to the Basileus for my somewhat disrespectful words earlier. I have no further desire to leave a state of war as my legacy than any of our other older members. Hopefully the younger generation can start anew after our disagreements.

AussieGiant

11-26-2008, 10:02

The scowl is still set on Apionnas's face. Another sarcastic grunt greets the words spoken recently.

Standing he speaks;

A Charter Amendment is a worthy idea and will clearly indicate publicly the state of the Empire in regards to the various civil wars.

I would ask a number of senators to draft legislation that will end ALL civil wars by way of Law at this Magnaura session.

ULC

11-26-2008, 10:07

Nikolaos enters the Magnaura, soaked from a fierce storm outside, and seats himself underneath the Ilios Korakas banners. He nods to Vakchos, and pulls out several sheets of paper, before speaking.

"I wish to propose significant Legislation that will change the structure of our diplomatic and military structure, if they pass. I am having copies passed out to you individually. Please read them over and consider the reforms I propose."

Each sheet of paper had the following Rule Changes on it.

RC 7.1 - All Agents that start the turn within a Senator's army(stack) fall under that Senators control until the end of the current Megas term, so long as they remain within the army(stack).

RC 7.2 - The military structure, and training, and deployment of all field armies will be regimented more efficiently. To this effect, Real Combat 1.3 (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115991) will be installed, along with a Sounds Fix (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=110476), so that our armies will be more efficient.

RC 7.3 - If RC 7.2 passes, then an avatar will be spawned within the 1170-1185 Megas term, and renamed Sergios ek Kallipoleos, pending YLC and TC's approval. If an avatar that is spawned within 1170-1185 Megas term is not selected, then all spawned avatars at the end of the term will be terminated and this RC will be null and void.

Nikolaos seats himself, and begins looking over what has gone on while he had made his way from the Adriatic to the Magnaura. A frown crosses his face, as he looks up to speak.

"May I ask what madness is this? Why is the Basileus running for office at a time like this? He should first end the foolishness between him and Methodios, before he thinks he can pull off such a feat." Nikolaos looks over at Blacky. "What is your stance on cats? We have many in Egypt, and I would like to avoid riots ahead of time."

Alerion

11-26-2008, 10:51

Sophronios, silently, to Nikolaos.

"I think you might want to change something there. A Rule Change RC 7.1 has already been proposed by the Basileus"

He then speaks up.

"Senator Savvas, I absolutely agree with you, we need this war ended or suspended. If you ask me, if the people involved cannot agree to come to terms, we have to make active civil war impossible until they all died of old age. I think we have to avoid Romans shedding the blood of Romans at any cost. Unfotunately I do not have the position to propose an Amendment, but I strongly suggest someone propose the Charter Amendment written up by Senator Savvas."

woad&fangs

11-26-2008, 19:16

I thank Senators Ksiros and Savvas for their support for peace. I will await the responses of the other Order members before I make a formal peace treaty but let it be known that Vartholamaios Ksiros and myself are now at peace.

Ignoramus

11-27-2008, 06:19

The Basileus rises and addresses the Magnaura.

Senators, I wish to publicly apologise to the Order of St. John. During my whole lifetime, I have held an irrational dislike and distrust of the Christian Order, which was entirely unwarranted.

Therefore I wish to wholeheartedly and sincerely spologise to the Order and it members for many faults inflicted on them by myself.

Firstly, I wish to apologise for the neglect I showed towards them in my first term as Megas Logothetes. In my biased prejudice, I deliberately withheld investment and security from their provinces. My actions not only unfairly targeted the Order, but they also put the Empire's eastern frontier at risk.

Secondly, I wish to apologise for the antagonism between myself and former Grandmaster, Makedonios Ksanthopoulos. It was my actions which caused this bitter and destructive rivalry, which caused great harm to the running of the Empire.

Finally, I wish to apologise for this outrageous declaration of war issued against the Order by myself. In it, I slurred you as traitors. This completely false, and I apologise for my biased actions. I wish to immediately end our war, and I understand that the Order would be well within their rights to dictate terms.

I understand that it will be hard for those of the Order to pardon my many offences, but I trust that before my passing, we can at least treat each other as fellow Romans.

I also wish to end the conflicts with the Caesar and Strator Arianitis.

As the Basileus pauses, two priests bring in a receptacle carrying St, Simeon's remains.

Walking towards them, the Basileus places his hands on the receptacle.

"I hereby swear by St. Simeon that if I am elected as Megas Logothetes, I will not declare war on any other House or senator. I also swear not to abuse the power that would be entrusted to me by the Magnaura."

The Basileus then bows and remains standing.

Ibn-Khaldun

11-27-2008, 12:29

A message is broought from Theo..

Senators and Basileus,

I will end all hostilities with Basileus Ioannis.
I also support Brother Vissarionas as the next Megas Logothethes.

Theo

Rowan

11-28-2008, 14:57

Vartholomaios Ksiros stands up

I will accept Basileus Ioannis' graceful offer for peace. By my count I have now made my peace with all the senators.

Also, while it pains me to leave my friend and vassal hanging, I will support Basileus Ioannis as the next Megas.

The empire needs to heal. This has been a very trying time for us all. I shall retreat to my estates near Adana. I will send in a messenger with my votes. Hopefully I will see you all again.

OOC: I will be gone until Saturday, December 6th. This is my attempt at trying to tie most of the loose ends for the week.

Cecil XIX

11-29-2008, 03:40

Armatos ek Naksou enters the Magnaura and addresses the body.

In light of the Basileus's humility, I will be supporting his candidacy. His election is an important step towards moving forward past our recent internal strife.

Ramses II CP

11-29-2008, 08:18

Yet another letter from Vissarionas ek Lesvou is read into the record.

Years ago I decided that this body had become too corrupt and toothless to be worth my attendance, but through all that time I had still held out hope that the Empire herself could remain strong. It has come to my attention, I believe through the intervention of God himself, that my hope was in error. My candidacy for Megas is withdrawn.

Furthermore I release my vassal, Theo, from his oath and disavow my own oath to my lord, to the Grandmaster, and to the Order itself.

God willing none of you will ever see or hear from me again,

Vissarionas ek Lesvou

:egypt:

GeneralHankerchief

11-30-2008, 17:51

Protoasecretes:

Now, look here. This current lovefest is all well and good and the like, but the problem is there's still a bloody war going on! From what my rheumy old eyes see, it looks like there are some peace proposals going on, however, not all Senators involved in the war are present.

*The Protoasecretes eyes the empty Caesar's chair and shakes his cane at it for a moment.*

Much better. Ah, now where was I? Oh yes, war.

In the interests of keeping this sacred building shiny and clean, I am further extending this Magnaura session until the Caesar's absence is addressed in the peace talks. Now, there are several ways in which you all can go by this. Here's a piece of advice from an old man: propose a Codex Amendment declaring this pathetic excuse for a civil war over. Surely some of you are high-ranking enough to propose it!

*The Protoasecretes sits back down, grumbling something about how, back in his day, civil wars were fought outside of capital cities and people actually died.*

[edit]The Senate Session of 1170 AD is hereby extended until further notice.

Northnovas

12-01-2008, 01:44

Some very wise words from an old man. I agree that there must be someone in this room that can create the legislation to end this civil war.

If there was peace declared then I would submit my name for candidacy of Megas!

Ituralde

12-02-2008, 09:15

The Basileus has declared his bloody reasonable terms of peace here. All it needs is for Methodios Tagaris to accept them. So far he hasn't even shown his face during this session.

Should he not show the following peace of legislation should solve the situation.

CA X.X:
In the case of the 1170 peace negotiations the absence of any participants will be counted as an agreement to end the hostilities between all parties in the proposed white peace.

Now, I would have to withdraw my own Amendment to propose this, so I would rather one of the following go ahead and do this.

He glances at a scroll of parchment handed to him by one of his scribes.

Armatos ek Naksou, Vartholomaios Ksiros, Vissarionas ek Lesvou, Zigavinos Vasilakios, Ioannis Kantakouzinos, Nikolaos Aristenos, Apionnas Vringas, and lastly the Basileus himself Ioannis Komnenos.

I am sure one of those is interested in bloody peace!

AussieGiant

12-02-2008, 11:27

Apionnas stands:

CA 7.2:

In the case of the 1170 peace negotiations the absence of any participants will be counted as an agreement to end the hostilities between all parties in the proposed white peace.

Ituralde

12-02-2008, 13:26

I second the CA proposed by Apionnas Vringas.

TinCow

12-02-2008, 14:28

The Protoasecretes nods eagerly when Senator Vringas proposes his legislation.

"An excellent suggestion! It seems that at least some wisdom can come from this fiasco of a Senate. Perhaps it is also time to ensure that such difficulties are less common in the future."

RC 7.5: Rule 5.3 will be modified as follows (changes in bold):

5.3 – Ending a Civil War: A Civil War will end when all Senators on one side are dead or all living Senators on both sides publicly agree to a Peace Treaty. A Senator's public agreement to a Peace Treaty will also remove all Senators below him in his feudal chain from the Civil War, unless the vassal Senators specifically state otherwise in a public thread. So long as it is limited to changes to the provinces, settlements, armies, Oaths of Loyalty, and retinue of the Senators signing the Peace Treaty, it will be considered binding law. All terms of a Peace Treaty that go beyond these limits, particularly those that increase a Senator’s influence or powers beyond those allowed by the rules, will only be binding if adopted by a two-thirds majority of the Senate at the next normal session. Individual Senators may unilaterally remove themselves from a Civil War within one turn of the Declaration of War that brought them into it by breaking all Oaths of Loyalty that tie them to any Senator involved in the War and by publicly declaring Neutrality. Neutrality cannot be claimed by a declarer, a target, or any Senator who has been involved in a PvP Battle during that specific Civil War.

pevergreen

12-02-2008, 15:32

It has been a quiet senate session, with many senators sitting idle in their chairs, twiddling their thumbs, watching peace happen, with not a word to be said. They sit silent while a dog is put up for voting for the ruler of affairs. Many that once made these halls great are gone, or simply do not turn up.

A faint breeze blows over the empty floor. No one raises to take control, a few discarded pieces of paper tumble over and over. A few eyes follow them, some just stare straight ahead. From a distance, clanking can be heard, but no one strains their hearing, no one notices. The noise slowly gets louder, irregular beats of metal on hard stone. Over the period of a few minutes, it seems to get closer. A scratching sound is heard, continuous.

A few more minutes pass. The noise stops. Bells begin to pearl. A deep ringing echos throughout the chamber. The ringing muffles the recommenced clanking. The double doors of the Magnaura are flung open, and Michail strides in, flanked by two personal guards. He walks slowly to stop in front of the seat of Ioannis, the King.

"Ioannis. For the last 15 years I have confined myself to Durazzo. I wished no harm upon anyone, save those who would come into my domain with hate. I have grown weary of Durazzo. I have embezzled thousands into the countryside. It is literally a gold mine there. This solid gold sword I carry is the literal seal of Durazzo. The title and the sword are one. I offer you this, Ioannis. For peace in our empire, but on conditions.

1. Michail Ariantos shall be granted a province of the Magnaura's wishes to preside over.
2. All conflicts involving Michail Ariantos shall be ceased.
3. The money hidden within Epirus shall stay where it is, to be found by whoever wishes, not to be collected by the government.

What say you, and others, on my terms?

Also, here is 10 coins for the cleaning bill."

Michail leaves the sword at Ioannis' feet and walks slowly around the floor, seeking the eyes of everyone he knows, and inspecting those that are new.

"Who was the last one to make a jest about me and my dagger? I've gotta buy them a drink!"

With that statement, Michail jumps the railing and takes a dusty seat, once reserved for the ruler of the Silver Hawks.

Alerion

12-02-2008, 19:39

I second the Codex Amendment made by Apionnas Vringas.

Northnovas

12-03-2008, 00:42

Senators,

Most encouraging legislation I can't see why it would not meet a 2/3 majority to pass. No one wanted the damn war to begin with!
With this legislation on the floor I will submit my name to stand for the position of Megas.
I know Blacky would be a good candidate but I feel he does not have the full support of the Magnaura to pull off a victory.

We are at an important stage, I can feel the defeat of the Venetians is near but we must have the will to finish the job. There is much to gain with a foothold in the Italian peninsula but we cannot do it divided. I have lost much in this dispute trying to remain neutral. I am too old to build my wealth and standing for my own purposes. Therefore, if I am elected I will give all my energy to the office of Megas in order to defeat our current enemies in the East and West and improve the infrastructure preparing ourselves for the future. Where there will be greater challenges to face in our future. We cannot rest on our laurels.

ULC

12-03-2008, 01:09

"I agree with Senator Aleksios whole heartedly, let us put this bitter and pointless war with ourselves behind us and concentrate on whom the true enemies of the Imperium are!"

Nikolaos nods in Aleksios direction with a smile.

"Your words warm my heart with new hope, you will have my full support this election."

Northnovas

12-03-2008, 17:48

For government to work there must be some mandate. I proposed the following edict.

E7.2That 2 more diplomats be recruited and send to western lands beyond the Holy Roman Empire to secure maps, trade and possible alliance.

Other legislation proposed so far in this session.

CA 7.1:
A Senator, that is not accompanied by an army of four units, is not allowed to seize more than two ships without the permission of the Megas Logothetes.
Proposed:Pavlos Chrysovergos Second:Sophronios,Isaakios Komnenos

CA 7.2:
In the case of the 1170 peace negotiations the absence of any participants will be counted as an agreement to end the hostilities between all parties in the proposed white peace.
Proposed:Apionnas Vringas Second:Pavlos Chrysovergos,Savvas ek Militou

Edict 7.1:
A joint invasion of Mesopotamia is to be conducted by Andronikos Komnenos and The Order of St. John.
Proposed: Andronikos Komnenos Second:Vartholomaios Ksiros, Savvas ek Militou
Edict 7.2
That 2 more diplomats be recruited and send to western lands beyond the Holy Roman Empire to secure maps, trade and possible alliance
Proposed:Aleksios ek Ikoniou Second:Pavlos Chrysovergos,Savvas ek Militou

Rules Changes - no seconder required

RC 7.1 - All Agents that start the turn within a Senator's army(stack) fall under that Senators control until the end of the current Megas term, so long as they remain within the army(stack).
Proposed: YLC

RC 7.2 - The military structure, and training, and deployment of all field armies will be regimented more efficiently. To this effect, Real Combat 1.3 will be installed, along with a Sounds Fix, so that our armies will be more efficient.
Proposed: YLC

RC 7.3 - If RC 7.2 passes, then an avatar will be spawned within the 1170-1185 Megas term, and renamed Sergios ek Kallipoleos, pending YLC and TC's approval. If an avatar that is spawned within 1170-1185 Megas term is not selected, then all spawned avatars at the end of the term will be terminated and this RC will be null and void.
Proposed: YLC

RC 7.4: Rule 5.3 will be modified as follows (changes in bold):
Propsed: TC

Ituralde

12-03-2008, 18:52

I thank Aleksios ek Ikoniou for his summary of the proposed legislation. I second Edict 7.2.

Also another seconder for CA 7.1 would be great! The Megas needs control over the fleets to accomplish the goals we set out to achieve!

flyd

12-03-2008, 19:04

It's hardly a timely amendment, but I second CA 7.1.

AussieGiant

12-03-2008, 20:47

Apionnas:

I've re-numbered my CA to 7.2.

If Senator Aleksios could readjust his to fit this will avoid confusion.

Andres

12-03-2008, 21:39

I second Edict 7.2. and CA 7.1.

TinCow

12-08-2008, 15:40

The Protoasecretes stands and speaks.

"As the Basileus is present business of this body seems to be coming to a close, I hereby declare that the Senate Session of 1170 AD will end at 15:00 GMT on Tuesday, December 9th. It will then be followed by 48 hours for voting."

"I urge all Senators to resolve any unfinished business they may have in the Magnaura immediately, as there will be no further extensions to the debate period."

TinCow

12-09-2008, 16:21

"The time for debate has expired. Voting will begin shortly and will last for 48 hours. A further 24 hours may be allowed if it appears necessary."

Cecil XIX

12-10-2008, 00:04

My fellow Senators. As of now, I am stepping down from the position of Grandmaster of the Order of St. John. The Knights thereof have voted, and Vartholomaios Ksiros is the new Grandmaster.

Zim

12-10-2008, 19:47

A tall young man dressed in plain but well made clothing wanders into the room. Those unfamiliar with his identity may at least recognize in his paleness and certain facial features the stamp of the Komnenos family and his mother Anna, but would be harder pressed to determine his paternal heritage.

He slowly circles the room, pausing briefly at seemingly random intervals. Finally, at one such pause he bows his head and softly mutters something in a dialect easily recognized as biblical Greek. The man then turns to leave before starting upon finding himself face to face with a confused cleaning servant. The young man smiles faintly.

"Sorry, I was just invoking a blessing for the ongoing voting and election. At a time like this we Senators need God's guidance more than ever."

Before the servant had any time to respond the young man brushed past him and left the Magnaura.

flyd

12-13-2008, 01:26

Note from Isaakios Komnenos:

Senators,

It is good to see the silly-war finally be signed away into nothingness. There has been some confusion whether the peace agreement amendment applies to me and Petzeas. I certainly did not intend it to. To me it seemed the amendment was (sort of) a conclusion of the Nicosia negotiations, to which I was not a party. As far as I'm concerned, my war remains declared, although if that is in violation of the war rules, then I simply re-declare it into existence. Not to worry though, Petzeas and I have already agreed to a way of ending this conflict, and it will end once the necessary things have come to pass. (hint: it involves ships).

Isaakios Komnenos.

Ibn-Khaldun

12-14-2008, 19:16

A note from Theo Petzeas is brought to the Magnaura..

Senators,

Firstly, I hope that my 'war' with Isaakios will end soon.
Secondly, can someone explain why is the Emperor of Holy Roman Empire with a huge army camping near Cairo? Why are they there?

Theo Petzeas

Ituralde

12-14-2008, 21:18

Theo Petzeas, the situation with those pesky Germans on our territory is easily visible from my reports. They were initially sent to capture Jerusalem for the Pope, then they tried to reach Tunis via land and now that this Crusade is also over they are stranded in their current location. I fear it will take another of those bloody Crusades to get them off our soil.

TinCow

12-19-2008, 16:04

The Protoasecretes rises.

I regret to inform the Senate that Tiverios Indikoplefstis (OverKnight) has fallen in the Venetian assault on Ragusa. As Senator Indikoplefstis had no known will and did not have a Lord, in accordance with the Codex his province of Constantinople is now the property of Basileus Ioannis Komnenos (Ignoramus).

Ituralde

12-20-2008, 18:05

I mourn the loss of such a fine young man! And also the blatant defeat against the Venetians! They have shown us that they are not without reserve and that war, although starting off well is far from over!

Andres

12-23-2008, 23:01

Kristophoros had been following the proceedings in the Magnaura, lurking in a dark corner. He was wearing a black cloack and he stood up whenever a messenger arrived in the Magnaura, anxiously hoping that the news he feared would never arrive.

And so, while Kristophoros was waiting, he knew that the messenger walking directly to him that day, would not bring good news.

He listened to the messenger who whispered into his ears. A loud scream filled with grief and sorrow scared those present in the Magnaura.

With tears in his eyes, Kristophoros stands up.

Esteemed Senators, I have bad news.

I just learned that my master, Savvas ek Militou, died a heroic death in a battle against the Venetians, near Bologna.

You may wonder what I was doing here, while my master was doing battle. Truth is, he sent me away himself, with this letter. He always knew he was going to die soon, even before the last Magnaura session even started. When he sent me away, he asked me to read his last letter to the Magnaura once I would hear of his demise.

Kristophoros opens the first parchment he is holding in his hands and starts to read:

Dear Basileus,
Dear Senators,

Disgusted.

I am utterly disgusted.

Disgusted by how short term political gain has been more important than the overall good of our Empire.

It's not a new evolution. Alas. It's something that has always been there throughout our history.

But I thought Manzikert had changed everything.

During the reign of our dear Basileus Aleksios, it seemed like all was going well. Yes, there still was the occasional bickering in the Magnaura, but the Empire seemed to be in balance.

Even my greatest foe, Makedonios, the Grandmaster of the Order, had the best intentions and acted for the best of our Empire.

Soon, however things changed.

When Aleksios died, some saw an opportunity to provoke our dear Basileus Ioannis.

Yes, Ioannis has made mistakes while he was still the Caesar. He has been punished for that, back then.

But many conveniently forgot that and decided to try to take away his throne from him.

Ioannis however, managed to keep the Civil War a Civil War of Words. Think about Ioannis what you want, but under his reign, Romans have not spilt the blood of other Romans.

Considering our history, that is quite an achievement and I sincerely hope historians will remember him for that.

My last will is a symbolic act. Through my will, I force the Basileus and the Order of St John to communicate with each other and I sincerely hope that better relations between the Order and the Basileus will bring more stability in the Empire.

A last word for Aleksios ek Ikoniou: you have always been and will always be my friend. But you should have never broken the bound of fealty that existed between us. The damage caused by that act has always been beyond repair.

However, I would like to ask you one last favour: take young Magnentios Kalamateros under your wings, assist him and guide him through the mudpit that is the Magnaura. He's a fine young man and I have a feeling that we will need strong, stable men in the future, to maintain peace in the Byzantine Empire.

Senators, while this is read to you, I am probably drinking my zillionest goblet of wine in the afterlife, in the meanwhile inspecting the curves and the anatomy of the female angels. Hah! I always knew that this "angels are a-sexual" stuff was a lie.

Kristophoros!

Wipe those tears away, get drunk as hell and then offer your services to the Basileus. I'm sure he can use an old veteran like you.

Yours truly,

Savvas ek Militou
Despot of Arta

Shaking his head in disbelief, Kristophoros smiles.

He then opens a second parchment.

This is Savvas' last will:

Last Will of Savvas ek Militou.

I hereby declare all my previous last wills null and void.

It is my last will that all settlements I own upon my death, will be inherited by the current Basileus.

All my retinue shall be distributed among the members of the Order of Saint John, at the discretion of the Basileus.

This is my will.

Savvas ek Militou.

Kristophoros gives both documents to the Protoasacretes.

He then walks back to his seat to grab his sword and his other belongings. He quickly empties a goblet of wine and leaves the building.

OOC: Savvas' last will has been sent a couple of weeks ago to TinCow, so this is not a last will made after dead :bow:

Zim

12-23-2008, 23:37

At first stunned by the news, a resolute expression settles upon Magnentios' face.

This is a grave time for the empire. First one great Roman dies at the end of the last campaigning season, now another at the beginning of this one.

Savvas was a hero of mine. We had talked about my joining him in Italy, where I would serve the empire by fighting under him.

Magnentios turns away, so as to not be seen fighting back tears. After a moment he regains his composure.

I find myself wondering if things might have gone differently had I marched straight for Italy upon coming of age rather than continuing my studies in Iconium. The only excuse I had then was that I thought I was following God's will in studying for my ordination. It rings hollow now...

I will not let more brave Romans die while I sit around and read books. I march straight for Italy, and any that wish may join me. We will teach the Latins the dangers of resting on the laurels of their recent victories!

With that Magnentios marched out of the Magnaura and left Constantinople that very day to meet his army south of Markianople.

Northnovas

12-24-2008, 05:27

This is truly sad news for the noble House of Tagamata. I have lost a great friend again. I will honour his last wish and see to it that Magnentios Kalamateros will be under my guidance so that he may do great things in service of the Empire.

Ignoramus

12-24-2008, 08:26

The Basileus enters the Magnaura with a sad expression on his face.

I am deeply saddened at the death of one of the Empire's finest servants. Savvas has always put the empire first, and has been truly loyal to my father and I. I will show those Venetians that they cannot slay my friend without retribution.

I will see that Arta is used for the good of the Empire, as Savvas would have wanted. I also look forward to working with the Order to distribute the late Savvas' retinue.

The Baslieus resumes his seat.

YouHaveRecieved

12-24-2008, 14:59

My lords,

My Senators,

I am Leon Symmachos, Nephew of the Basileus himself.

I am here to welcome myself to this noble hall.

Ituralde

12-24-2008, 15:12

'Tis good to see new faces in this hall. Serve the Empire well and avenge the death of Savvas ek Militou! He was a noble Senator, a trusted ally and feared foe. Few would have dared to face the Venetians in his manner.

woad&fangs

12-24-2008, 17:45

Andronikos stands silently for a few moments...and then pours himself a goblet of fine wine. Looking around, he raises his cup in a silent toast to the fallen senator.

Ibn-Khaldun

12-30-2008, 21:41

Theo 'walks' into the Magnaura. Seeing that no one talks he takes his seat and starts reading documents on his table..

Ituralde

01-05-2009, 08:01

Pavlos rises slowly, the signs of age clearly showing in his movement and face. His voice still carries some of the old ring though, reminding the ohters that once whole armies followed his lead.

So it has finally bloody happened! Roman blood has been spilled by the hands of another Roman! I don't envy the dog Arianitis for dying as he did, nor do I begrudge Aristenos for doing what he though right. But...

he raises a finger.

... the inner peace that has lasted since Manzikert, that has allowed us to resume some of our former glory is shattered. The legacy of Aleksios Komnenos, his restoration of some semblance of unity is forfeit.

Mark my words this won't be the last time that Senators will meet in battle. Our enemies have been waiting for this and they will strike at us and tear us limb from limb, while we feed on our own flesh! I see a dark sky rolling with thunder and lightning stabbing at our hearts!

Pavlos voice has risen throughout his sermon and he is now almost shouting, his eyes glazed over as though seeing things only he can see.

The Komneni have slandered, their House lies in ruins, their heirs are incompetent, the line will fall when the lion roams the high plains and the eagle descends from the East, spilling Christian and Muslim blood alike! 'Tis the end and only the bravest will survive the struggles that are to come!

The last words were shouted loud and clear and at the end of it Pavlos sags visibly, as though the spirit that had posessed him to deliver his speech has finally left him. Looking older than ever his last words are muttered before he takes his seat again.

Mark my bloody words...

Andres

01-05-2009, 10:21

A young man, dressed in expensive red and white silk, had been standing in a corner of the Magnaura during Pavlos's speech. As soon as the old veteran was seated, he walked forward energetically, the feather on his yellow head waving with every step he took.

Aleksios ek Pigis:

You're getting old, dear Pavlos. Old and rusty.

Where's your spirit? Your courage?

Besides, wasn't your own lord involved in some of these disputes?

Well, 'disputes'...

It seems like all you old farts were very good with words, but when it came to action to back up your harsh words.

Aleksios laughs.

Even when you were young, you all sounded like a bunch of scared old women!

Aleksios starts yelling with a voice that vaguely resembles the voice of an old woman:

"Oh, I'm going to hit you! I'm going to hurt you! Oh no, I might get hurt myself in the proces! Ok then, I'm not going to hit your, but watch out next time!"

Aleksios mockingly shakes his fist, in a perfect imitation of the old Protoasacretes. Aleksios laughs again, walks to his seat and sits down, meanwhile muttering:

Bunch of cowards.

ULC

01-05-2009, 14:33

Helarionas, who has been sitting quietly off to one corner coughs into his hand nonchalantly, continuing to read from the book in his hands, while Aleksios continues on rambling. Still staring at the book, Helarionas speaks to Aleksios.

"Aleksios, show some proper respect, they are your superior's and elders after all, so that at the very least should engender some restraint upon your manners. Calling men who fought valiantly against the Turkish Sultanate, the Egyptian Caliphate, and now the Venetians is low of you, you who have not even tasted the bitterness of spilt blood, nor heard the cry of dying men or the wail of women and children."

"Do not set yourself above those that you cannot begin to compare yourself too. These man should be praised - they fought against proper enemies, and when it came to blows amongst themselves, they showed proper restraint and resolved their differences, instead of behaving like children and beating mercilessly on each other and neglecting their duty to the Imperium."

Andres

01-05-2009, 14:47

Aleksios ek Pigis:

Well, Helarionas, I can't go fighting the Venetians all by myself, but give me a decent army and I promise you that I'll be back soon, covered with fresh scars and Venetian blood.

Our war against the Venetians has cost many Roman lives. Now it's time for revenge!

ULC

01-05-2009, 15:08

Helarionas finally turns to look at Aleksios with a look of disdain upon his face. "Really now Aleksios, I never once asked you to go off and fight in a war - it is far better if you do not stain your hands in blood in some foolish attempt to prove something. Although your zeal can be commended, the foolish bravado behind it can be done away with."

Andres

01-05-2009, 15:23

So, what do you suggest for a young and strong Senator to do then?

Wait until our ancient colleagues die of old age and then wait for the Venetians to conquer our Empire?

Old men like Pavlos and Aleksios ek Ikoniou have done enough. They should be spending the rest of their lives in an armchair, near the fire, a cup of wine in their hand and their best hunting dogs at their feet. They should not be marching around in some hostile territories.

We, the young ones, should be waging war against our enemies.

TinCow

01-05-2009, 15:28

*A scribe hands the Protoasecretes a note. He reads it carefully, frowning occassionally, then speaks.*

It seems that due to neglect of his own lands, Nikiphoros Manouelitis (Warmaster Horus) has been deprived of them. As he has no Lord to assume his duties, the province of Scopia is now under the protection and administration of Basileus Ioannis Komnenos (Ignoramus).

In addition, as Nikolaos Aristenos has retired from public life, his lands are similarly forfeit. In accordance with his last known wishes, the province of Alexandria will remain with the House of Ilios Korakas, as is required by their Charter. Specifically, he left the province to Efthymios ek Herakliou (Dafuge), who now becomes its owner.

ULC

01-05-2009, 15:36

Helarionas sets his book down, taking his time as he begins to speak again. "Aleksios, maybe you misunderstand - I say war should not be waged for wars sake. You are so willing to go off and kill without the knowledge of what it entails because war to you is fun, because as far as you know, it is good, and it is something to be done. It excites you beyond all measure, it makes your eyes gleam and twinkle with the thought of spilling the blood of your enemies in the name of the Imperium. You take joy in it, pride in it, love it, without truly understanding of what is being asked of you, nor trying to reason why it is being asked of you."

"So no, I am not telling you not to defend the Empire, I am not telling you that you should not take up the reins that were so well handled and taken care of by Lord ek Ikoniou and Lord Chrysovergos, but I am asking that you put both more thought into your actions and your words."

By this time Helarionas is now staring forcefully at Aleksios, and he holds his gaze a few seconds more, as if summing up the character of Aleksios, and then sighs, returning back to his reading.

Andres

01-05-2009, 15:55

Aleksios ek Pigis stares at Helarionas. A grin appears slowly on his face while he adresses Helarionas.

The Empire needs men like me to do its' dirty work so that men like you can spend time sitting in a chair, sipping on wine and eating grapes in the meanwhile talking and talking and talking about why war is evil or good, when it is justified, how the empire should be run and how we should do this or that and blah blah blah.

I, however, am a man of action! Maybe it's because I'm young, but I doubt it. Some men have fire in them, others are... like you.

ULC

01-05-2009, 16:10

Helarionas slams his book down, standing with a start and whirring on Aleksios. "You dare call me a fool when your own foolishness will cost you one day? You know nothing of me, or who I am! I have lived through more in the last 5 years of my life then you have in all of your 20 years of life, and you dare criticize me upon my experience?! I am your better in more way then one, and I do not speak of titles, land, or privileges. I'll do my duty for the Imperium, just as you. I'll fight for every last grain of dirt and breath of air that rightfully belongs to us good Romans, but I won't be so blind as to why I do it! Unlike you, who's mere purpose is similar to a dogs, I'll have more reason to do what I do, a greater drive and fire then you can muster then from your little pleasures of begging from masters you can't comprehend and serving a purpose you'll never understand!"

Towards the end of his rant, Helarionas's voice slips into a Hungarian accent, and when Helarionas finishes, he stares Aleksios back in the eyes, daring Aleksios to challenge him.

Andres

01-05-2009, 16:19

Aleksios smiles. He fills a goblet with white wine and raises it to Hellarionas.

To Roman spirit!

He drinks from the goblet and laughs softly.

OOC : I just noticed my new avatar has the trait "social drinker", just like Savvas... Oh well ~:cheers:

KnightnDay

01-07-2009, 02:02

A young man who some recognize as having features similar to elder Ioannis Kalameteros, and even his son Magnentios steps forward to address the assembled members. Ammonathas looks carefully among those in the hall.

Vengance and retribution? We shall rush towards our Venetians enemies in a blind rage, slashing and tearing at all before us? This is the mark of a Roman army? By all that we hold to be true, this cannot be. It must not.

What plans, fellow countrymen…what plans have we made to deal with our adversaries in a deliberate and calculating fashion? The Basileus himself sails to Latium to avenge the death of Savvas and many other good Romans. My own courageous and honorable brother stands by his side, leaving no man to question where the House of Asteri stands in this matter.

I asked what plans we have made. Let me speak to you now, not just of plans, but of actions. Four hundred men stand with me on a march against our Venetian foes. All of these good Romans, to a man, are part of an army of brother Magnentios who has generously consented to leave them in my charge. Three hundred men from the garrison of Thessalonike will near double our force of arms. I hope and trust that the empire will see fit to provide for another three hundred. Yes good senators, untested but unfearing, I propose to lead a force one thousand strong against our enemies. Such armies exist today in our holy lands, shall we not raise such similar numbers against our foes in Italy now?

Let us not take half measures amidst cries for blood. I have ordered taxes to be raised at Thessalonike in order to aid our efforts. The citizenry understands that they may be called upon to provide even more aid in lives and treasure in the near future. These then are but some of the actions taking place now in the House of Asteri. Our resolve is firm, and our deeds to be defined with a clear vision…that of victory.

No nation can stand against an empire such as this, so long as there are good men to lead and contribute to its success.

Ammonathas returns to his place, trying to gauge what effect, if any that his words have had among the senate.

ULC

01-07-2009, 02:17

Helarionas relaxes after Ammonathas finishes his speech. Throwing himself back down into his seat, Helarionas picks up a goblet and raises it to Ammonathas. "Indeed, well spoken Senator Ammonathas, tis too bad..." Helarionas takes a sip from his goblet, "...that dear Aleksios does not see it in such a way." Helarionas turns to grin at Aleksios. "Tell me Aleksios, how close are you to the Venetian front, and with how many men?"

Andres

01-07-2009, 23:24

Aleksios looks at Helarionas. He seems bored with the man.

In Zagreb. Together with Senator Aleksios ek Ikoniou and his army.

ULC

01-08-2009, 00:40

Helarionas smiles deeply, and there is something off about it - it is devoid of warmth, and something cruel and calculating stirs underneath of it. "I wish you luck then! Goodness knows you will need it, and I hope your unquestioning service to the empire is deservedly rewarded!"

Ibn-Khaldun

01-12-2009, 17:07

Theo stands..

This is an old matter but.. WHY did Basileus Ioannis bought Benghazi? The 'War' against Venetians have been very beneficial to him. He have gained many provinces and now he also purchased Benghazi.. a worthless castles in desert!! Money that coud've been used to improve towns and cities that we already had!!
And just like the last time he is pretty much useless as a Megas Logothetes as well.

Theo sighs...

(OOC: I understand if Igno have RL things that does not allow him to be here but IC Theo doesn't understand that:beam:)

TinCow

01-14-2009, 14:53

There is great activity amongst the Senate scribes. They hurry back and forth between the Protoasecretes and other clerks elsewhere in the Magnaura. Eventually the Protoasecretes dismisses them all with a wave, then slowly stand up to speak.

It seems that our esteemed Basileus Ioannis Komnenos (Ignoramus) is currently incapable of fulfilling the duties of Megas Logothetes. For this reason, I am appointing Aleksios ek Ikoniou (Northnovas), the close runner-up in the last election, to take over the position. As I have yet to hear the Basileus' final word on this appointment, I will consider it temporary at the current time. However, I do expect that Senator ek Ikoniou's appointment as Megas Logothetes will be confirmed by the Basileus eventually, and that he will then hold the position for the rest of the current term.

If any Senator disagrees with Aleksios ek Ikoniou taking over as Megas Logothetes in this manner, I suggest you find some means of calling an Emergency Session.

OOC:
It appears that Ignoramus does not have enough time to continue acting as Megas. I have consulted with Northnovas and he is available to take up the job, which would be appropriate under the circumstances since he was the runner-up in the previous election anyway. I am waiting to get one last final approval from Ignoramus for this switch-over before making it permanent, but I'm tired of waiting so I'm making the appointment effective now, but temporary until I hear back from Ignoramus one last time.

This will NOT be considered an in-game impeachment. Ignoramus can create whatever excuse he likes for stepping down IC. If he does not, you are all free to speculate on the cause to your hearts' content, as long as it is clear that the action was voluntary by the Basileus. If there are any protests with Northnovas taking over as Megas in this manner, an Emergency Session can be called to impeach him. Currently, both Ignoramus and deguerra can call Emergency Sessions, so talk to them if you want one.

Cecil XIX

01-18-2009, 04:53

A knight rushes into the Magnura.

Noble lords, treachery! The Comes ek Naksou had departed from Damascus with his army to confront the Turks just east of the city, having just accepted a request from the new senator Ioannis Erotikos to accompany him. But Senator Erotikos has commited a cross betrayal, murdering Comes Armatos ek Naksou and seizing control of his army! I pray that this crime brings swift retribution withour harming the long-term stability of the Empire!

TinCow

01-18-2009, 23:03

*The Protoasecretes furrows his brow at this grave announcement.*

This is most horrendous news. I expect the Senate will treat such an action with the seriousness that it deserves!

I have been informed that according to the last will and testament of Armatos ek Naksou, the province of Tortosa is now the possession of Kousinos Sophianos (Cecil XIX). Acre has remained within the Order and is now the possession of Armatos' Lord, Vartholomaios Ksiros (Rowan).

_Tristan_

01-19-2009, 10:27

After years of absence, Methodios walks into the Magnaura. Stepping into the center of the room, he calls for the attention of his fellow Senators.

Senators, the wolves are at large in our midst.

The death of Armatos at the hands of one who would claim to be one of us is a sin against all that we stand for. Armatos was among the first to lead the fight to reclaim the Holy land from the Muslims. He lived a live of service to the Empire, through hard times, fighting many battles, only to die at the hands of one of us.

I ask all of you to make a stand and take actions against the vile Erotikos and bring him to justice or hang him from the nearest tree without judgment.

These actions have led out of my voluntary seclusion in Kosmopolis, a city that has always been a volcano waiting to erupt, which it did as soon as I departed. The city is lost to us and though it has no organization, the faith of Islam runs anew in its veins.

But I would not have left my home in Kosmopolis if the incapable Ioannis had still been Megas Logosthetes.

I am here to appeal to Lord ek Ikoniou for help. Help for Egypt... This part of our Empire has been neglected for too long.

Egypt has been left in its sorry state since Ioannis has sat himself on the throne of his father. I see it as retaliation against my stand against him but it is not I who suffers but rather our people in Cairo and Alexandria.

These are some of the greatest cities of the world, yet people live there without the barest of amenities. The walls of Cairo aren't even wide enough to contain the mass of its people.

Lord Megas, turn your benevolent gaze upon Egypt and save her before she follows the fate of Kosmopolis.

Ituralde

01-19-2009, 11:41

Pavlos stares ahead glumly before raising his voice. Much of his vigour has left him and the listeners have to strain to catch his words.

These are grave insults against Senator Erotikos. I don't even remember his name, but if these allegations are true then a call for war against this traitor is the least we can do. But before we do anything so rash, what is the proof for these acts, and what does the young Senator have to say in his defense?

Northnovas

01-19-2009, 14:06

Senators,

The issue in Egypt alarms me and I hope it is not too late. There is too much invested and would be a great loss to our economy if we can not control it. I may give the direction but you are all the eyes of the Empire. If there are issues that need resources let me know and I will do what I can. Egypt is on the top of my agenda.

The death of Armatos is very disturbing and the circumstances have not been explained. I would recommend a military Board of Inquiry to look in to his death and to find if Erotikos is truly responsible for his death.

Rowan

01-19-2009, 14:19

Fellow Senators!

It greatly saddens me to hear about Armatos' death! Long we have been friends and together have we driven the infidel Muslims from the holy lands! That such a great man could be killed by a traitor sounds preposterous! I demand a formal inquiry into this, especially as the accused is one of the members of this most august body!

I demand that this man Erotikos lay down his weapons and surrender to my custody! He must send his army to the nearest Order held city, Damascus, where it can keep the Basileus' peace. Then he must at once report to the nearest member of the Order. I will guarantee his personal safety if he does this and let Magnaura decide if he truly is guilty and decree the punishment.
If he does not do this I will take that as an admission of guilt and hunt him down myself!

Andres

01-19-2009, 14:53

Here we go again.

Blahblahblah...

Quit wasting your breath.

Stares at Pavlos, Methodios and Kousinos.

It seems like you are all angry with this man? Well instead of sitting here and paralysing this esteemed body for the next couple of years with endless talks about how evil and bad Erotikos is and how we should punish him without bloodshed (did he hesitate to spill some Roman blood?), you should get off your lazy :daisy:, grab your arms and go get him.

_Tristan_

01-19-2009, 15:31

Which is exactly why I left Kosmopolis, Senator ek Pigis.

Would you remind this august body what your accomplishments have been so far that allow you to throw insults at your betters ?

Rowan

01-19-2009, 15:42

Vartholomaios Ksiros turns to look at the new speaker, listens to his words with a growing amusement, then turns to his aide and asks in a voice just hushed enough to be a whisper, but still loud enough to be heard across the hall:
Whose paige is that and who let him in here?
The reddening aide whispers into his masters ear and this time the rest of the Magnaura can't hear what is said. Vartholomaios turns back towards Aleksios ek Pigis.

Strator Pigis. It is considered polite to introduce oneself when addressing someone for the first time. Especially if that something is the Magnaura with many members with far higher rank and power than your own.

With a few more years burdening down your shoulders you would know that things are seldom as black and white as they seem. There are certain... rules to be followed. Laws, if you wish. As of yet we only have a single Frankish Knight's word of what happened in the desert. It wouldn't be wise to start a civil war over some outlanders claims.

However, rest assured that I intend to take action if need be. I am perfectly positioned to take the matter into my own hands if need be. If Erotikos does not co-operate with the investigation like I specified I will know him guilty and he will face the full might of the Order!

Ituralde

01-19-2009, 17:38

Pavlos shakes his head, chuckling silently. He strokes his beard gently, before he speaks. It had indeed been a long time since he last rode to battle.

Once you have grown to my age you won't jumped at every percieved threat. This Erotikos seems a nuisance, if those actions are true. I have heard too many slander in these chambers to jump to this conclusion as easily. Of course, if some man were to bring this Erotikos to this chamber, I would gladly supply said man with an army to be persuasive.

He looks at Senator Pigis.

Are you said man, Senator Pigis? Or do you just talk without letting actions follow?

Rowan

01-19-2009, 19:23

Vartholomaios looks incredulous

Pavlos, has your old age made you mad or is it all those magic potions you are reputed to be drinking!
Man is accused of murdering of the most esteemed and noble characters in the whole Basileia Rhōmaiōn and you say that he is a nuisance. Nuisance! He's taken command of one of our strongest armies and is now knocking on the gates of Tortosa and you call him a nuisance! I am past doubting if Erotikos did it. His actions speak clearly of his treason.

I demand that Megas immediately recruit troops in Tortosa to strengthen the garrison against imminent attack.

I will take my leave. I have lands to defend.

Vartholomaios leaves the chamber.

KnightnDay

01-19-2009, 21:08

Ammonathas considers what he has heard and rises to speak. His thoughts of his brother, now reported ill at sea, weigh upon him

Fellow Senators,

I had hoped that the Venetian campaign would receive the utmost attention of the empire. My own brother has been struck ill while answering the call against our dangerous foe in Latium. Yet this latest turn of events is too dangerous to ignore, despite the fact no evidence of murder has yet come forth. Regardless of the veracity to this story of murder, there is no doubt as to the strength of the army in which Senator Erotikos travels, and the potential danger to our position should this information be true.

In light of this, I fully endorse the proposal of Senator Vartholomaios that the garrison at Tortosa be strengthened, and that he and the Order be charged with demanding Senator Erotikos surrender himself for judgement of the Magnaura. Any failure to do so, including any action taken against our settlements or soldiers will immediately result in a charge of high treason against himself and those who carry his banner.

Finally, I call upon the Magnaura to urge the Basileus to immediately move his forces to this area. The Venetians can wait; action against rebellion or treasonous activity must not.

I thank my fellow senators for their attention.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-19-2009, 23:29

A message is brought from Theo Petzeas to Magnaura..

Senators,

There is only one thing I can say about this Erotikos and that is -

I declare War on Ioannis Erotikos!

May he burn in Hell!

Theo Petzeas

Ramses II CP

01-20-2009, 01:59

With a rather bemused look on his face Ioannis Erotikas strides calmly into the Magnaura. As he paces around the center chamber, passing each House's table in turn, he speaks in a clear voice,

"Well, this certainly sounds like a more active body than the dust covered lumps I found when I first attended! Gentlemen I have come, though more urgent matters demand my attention, to inform you of a black act. Former Grandmaster Armatos has been murdered, in my very own presence!"

A momentary pause allows Io to assess the situation before he continues,

"...but I can see this information has already been brought to the Senate's attention. I regret that I was much delayed in personally bringing word by the necessity of ensuring the orderly transfer of command of Aramtos' troops into my own hands. With his very dying breath Lord Armatos demanded that I take his men to the very ends of the earth if necessary to bring his killer to justice, and I mean to do exactly that!"

"As to the details of the death of my very great friend Armatos, they are simply thus; as I presented him with a gift in my very own command tent we were suddenly assailed by a team of assassins carrying poison coated blades. Armatos drew his sword and bravely charged into the fray, while I, unused to life at the frontier, dropped my wine glass, tripped over it, and was far too slow entering combat. Armatos' second, Sigismund I think his name was, fled the scene in great haste and has not yet returned to the army. By the time I managed to pull my blade out Armatos' own sword had already become trapped in the corpse of one of his enemies while a second hacked open his throat from behind."

"Of course I avenged him, slaughtering the remaining infidels while calling for guards and my personal surgeon, but it was too late. With blood pouring from his wound noble Armatos burbled out a few last words charging me to take command of his army and seek out the enemy who employed such vile means to end his life, and I swore an oath to do exactly that no matter the cost to my own life and goals!"

Briefly a smile crosses Io's charming face, before he resumes his grim expression,

"In order to make certain my words would not fall on deaf ears I had the Grandmaster's body packed in salt and shipped with me so that any Senator can examine my claims for veracity in the very flesh of my good friend and ally. I also have... this..."

With a dramatic gesture Io draws a heavy bladed knife, stained dark down it's whole length, and drops it crashingly onto the nearest House table, which just happens to be the table of the Order of St. John.

"I understand this body may have some questions for me, and I would very much like to answer them all, but I beg your understanding that my time is limited. I have undertaken a sacred vow before God to see the Grandmaster avenged and hell itself will not bar my call in that cause! If you have something to ask me, speak now, for I must soon depart."

Idly Io now casts about for a seat, but abruptly raises his eyebrows and speaks once more before sitting,

"Oh, and I understand that I am somehow at war with some little person or some such? Perhaps we could get that resolved before the next year sees a battle, hmm?"

:egypt:

Rowan

01-20-2009, 08:56

Varthlomaios Ksiros gets an annoyed look as Theo's letter is read but says nothing. He eyes the bloody knife on the table in front of him before speaking

An interesting tale, Erotikos, but quite light on details. First, could you elaborate a bit on just who, exactly, you believe was behind the murder. Also, where exactly are you going to find them? Furthermore, why is your army camped under the walls of Tortosa, just out of bowshot range? And why didn't you send messengers ahead of the army to inform us, the Order, his Brothers, of this foul action or what you were going to do so we might help you in tracking the killers?

And what exactly is the significance of this knife?!

Vartholomaios waves at the nearest Magnaura clerk

Get the best doctors in town and have them individually inspect Armatos' body. I want all of them to give official statements to the cause of death and the nature of wounds. Also if the wounds match that dagger. Also any traces of poison or somesuch. And start preparations for a funeral, his burial has waited long enough.

KnightnDay

01-20-2009, 13:37

Ammonathas rises

If it would please the members of the Senate, may I ask a question unrelated to the investigation?

Should the Order of St John not be empowered to the take command of the army now encamped at Tortosa while the investigation is ongoing? And would Senator Erotikos find objection with this proposal?

_Tristan_

01-20-2009, 14:21

Lord Kalameteros raises a valid point.

Until the death of Armatos has been fully investigated, I would suggest that Senator Erotikis releases command into the hands of the Order.

I would also like to hear from Senator Erotikos how he gathered the knowledge of the identity of the person who ordered Armatos killed in such a gruseome way.

It seems the Hashishim have finally succeeded in worming their way into our ranks.

Please tell us Senator Erotikos who is the culprit so that the full power of the Senate can descend upon him.

Ramses II CP

01-20-2009, 20:12

Io's eyes light up and he nods his head companionably towards Vartholomaios Ksiros before standing to speak,

Actually my good man I can't elaborate on who I know to be responsible at this time, lest the cowards hear I know their names and am coming and so flee into the underbelly of our society to cause more harm later. You wouldn't want Armatos' killers to escape, now would you?

As far as Tortosa, I've simply been called to meet a companion there. My word of honor that I have no ill intent for the place or any of it's inhabitants! Of course if I left my army at just any old watering hole, why, very soon they wouldn't be my army anymore would they? And then poor Armatos would stand unavenged, an unacceptable state of affairs for certain.

Messengers were dispatched, of course, and word clearly had come to the Magnaura ahead of me, but, alas, the eastern marches are aswarm in Turks, precisely why I sought Aramtos' aid in the first place, and I fear the few men I could spare were all intercepted. As far as asking the Order's help... no, I do not intend to do so, nor do I believe Armatos would wish it of me either. Your vast tracts of land are ill guarded and there remain but two of you to do the work of seeing off the Turks. Unless I am attacked or barred from my quest I will merely take the men I need to avenge my great friend and depart, leaving you noble sirs to ward your land at the east end of the Empire.

That knife is none other than one of the very weapons used to foully murder Lord Armatos. There were several mixed in a pile after the combat, so I can't guarantee which struck the death blow, but that one was carried by one of the enemy and no mistake. You can see it's design that it is of Muslim make, likely a tool of the cult of assassins or some offshoot. Who can really tell with these heathen factions, hmm?

The army entrusted me by Armatos will not be surrendered to any man, under any circumstances, until he is avenged. I am bound to this course by an oath before God himself, by the noble words of Armatos on his deathbed, and by my own sense of honor. If I am prevented from seeking justice by anyone or anything that obstacle will I annihilate without hesitation.

Speaking of which, I think I'm still at war... would anyone like to propose a resolution to that little matter? I'll have to be off soon to get the lads a marching again, can't let discipline lapse in the field just for a little conversation here.

A smug grin creases Io's face as he returns to his seat.

Northnovas

01-20-2009, 22:15

Megos Aleksios having listened to both sides, the frustration of getting no answers begins to show on his face...

Ioannis,

Where do you plan to march this army that will not surrender to any man? This army will not be supplied unless I am satisfied that you are avenging the death of Lord Armatos and are not the one responsible for his death.
The concern of you being at war will be of little concern to this Senate if your you no army. They may not surrender to any man but they will desert if they are not paid and fed.

Stop with the ambiguity and give us the answers we are looking for! Are you or are you not responsible for the death of Lord Armatos. If you are not then I demand to know who is so this matter can be dealt with and done!

Ramses II CP

01-20-2009, 23:01

Another quick little nod is directed at the Megas before Io speaks again,

"I sympathize with your concerns my Megas, but as I've said, I simply cannot let the brutes behind this crime have any warning. Thus I can't announce their names or where I intend to march. Pure necessity demands that I keep these things a secret so that I can uphold my vow.

As far as money and food... well... let's be frank, gentlemen, an army of this size has ways of finding what it needs. At least for awhile. I don't want to go down that road, but, as I've said, nothing will bar my course on my quest. Nothing.

Besides, the army is legally mine. Why should we not be supplied as the law requires? If the Megas can withdraw support from my armies over some petty dispute who would he target next? The law of the Emperor and Empire must come before the personal whims of any one Megas, surely.

I will say again, I am not responsible for the death of noble Lord Armatos and I intend to deal with this matter as quickly as can be so that the Empire can return to good and profitable progress."

:egypt:

KnightnDay

01-21-2009, 04:03

My lords, I have heard enough. Senator Erotikos has asked for a resolution be offered. I shall offer one now. I call for a vote of the full senate over whether this man shall undergo trial by ordeal. Let his hands be immersed in boiling water, bandaged, and then examined after several days. If it be judged by men of the cloth that his injuries have sufficiently healed, then it is a sure sign from God that the sentor be innocent. At that point he should be free to do as he sees fit, with nothing held against him.

If however, the injuries are not deemed to have healed sufficiently, then he be judged guilty by God's will and suffer the consequences of his crime. :skull:

Ramses II CP

01-21-2009, 05:24

A faint look of discomfort mixed with amusement crosses Io's face before he replies,

Hmm, yes, good idea that; let's subject any senator who stands accused by a non-noble to this treatment. As a matter of fact I think I tossed a coin to a beggar just past those doors who was muttering that someone by the name Ammonia, or Ammerinia, or maybe Ammonathas had murdered a half a dozen men the other day. Let's boil that chap up and see if it's true!

Let me propose a simpler solution! I take note that the Order has accepted a new man into their ranks, a man who has yet to take on any responsibilities for defense of the eastern front. I have been in contact with this man, and I find him to be caught in the same web of destiny in which I am bound. If he will vow to avenge Armatos by the same vow I have taken, if he will embark on the same quest upon which I have embarked, then I will go where he goes, even surrendering some part of my troops to his command. Would this not fulfill the request that I 'give back' the men Armatos charged me to use to seek revenge for his murder?

Would this not give the Order's little war sufficient cause to come to an end? If not, well, the Order may even find itself ignobly attacking an ally...

That man is Kousinos Sophianos, and I must now adjourn from this, well, simply splendid session of the Senate to negotiate the exact terms of our agreement just beyond the walls of Tortosa.

If anyone seeks me for any serious cause (Here Io pauses to wink at Ammonathas) simply send word and we can arrange to meet. Good day gentlemen!

With a somewhat flippant suggestion of a bow Io then rises and walks calmly from the chamber without looking back.

:egypt:

Rowan

01-21-2009, 09:09

For a man accused of murder Erotikos sure isn't too worried. I do not trust him. While Theo's declaration of war was maybe a bit premature I shall support it for now. I'll let Kousinos Sophianos decide for himself if he wishes to follow that man to the desert. If he does, I insist that Erotikos give at least half of his force to Kousinos.

ULC

01-21-2009, 09:48

Helarionas strides in to the Magnaura, a grim look upon his face, Demetrios right behind him. "Fellow Senators, I have word as to who has killed our most dear and beloved Lord Armatos." Helarionas snaps his hands and several of his aids bring forth a body wrapped in a white cloak, covered in slash marks and bloodied beyond imagining. "I am sorry for the mess, but this coward refused to speak the truth, even after his attack - no, assassination attempt, upon me, and some persuasion was needed. I admit, I was rather brutal to him...but I am not a man to tolerate such people."

Helarionas strolled over to the dead body. "I am sure you will recognize what I am about to show you, and I am sure it may come as a shock. Long ago, two men conspired to kill both the Caesar and the Patriarch, and nearly succeeded. Had it not be for Basileus Aleksios, all would have been lost. Thanks to our great Emperor's thinking, he was able to extract the information he needed to find all the other members of this group, and they were purged from the Imperium, their leaders killed or exiled. However-"

Helarionas pulls the blood-soaked cloak off of the body, and holds it out between his hands. A large, black raven emblem is seen on the back. "-as you can see they have returned, and seem to have some support among the Islamic assassins. This does not bode well, for it seems they are back for vengeance. I believe anyone still alive from that time is a possible target, and we may soon suffer even more deaths..."

Helarionas throws the cloak back onto the body, and turns to leave. "I have important business to attend to, and I am sorry I cannot stay. If you have any questions, please ask Demetrios."

TheFlax

01-21-2009, 11:08

A letter comes in and is read to all.

Noble senators of the Magnaura,

I apologize for being the bearer of bad news. You may not know me, as I have only been inducted into the Senate recently. While doing my duty to Empire in joining the war against the Venetians, I took part in the battle to liberate Ragusa at the side of Antypatos Magnentios.

Sadly, while lord Magnentios acquitted himself with the utmost honor and prowess in battle, he feel to wall of Venetian spearmen. My men and I immediately rushed to his side, alas I was too late. Apparently the young man had taken ill during our voyage and by the time we got him to a healer, he had succumbed to his wounds.

I will join you in due time, my lords, in order to introduce myself more properly. For now, I must secure Ragusa against the Venetian, lest noble Magnentios' death be in vain.

Markos ek Sinopis

Northnovas

01-21-2009, 13:29

Megos Alekisos shaken by the news....

Senators, please lets take a moment to take in this sad news about lord Magnentios. He was so confident going in to battle requesting the extra men I did not expect this. Let us remember the senator and soldier Magnentios, the proper arrangements will be made accordingly.

Markos ek Sinopis thank you for your service Ragusa was a strategic target if we are going to the Venetian homelands. I will do what I can to build up the settlement to our standards for Byzantine troops.

Now looking over at the body and the commotion that occurred prior to the sad news.

Everyone is in rush that comes into here.... Demetrios explain to this assembly of what occurred with this .. person and the circumstances of his death and how it is related to the death of lord Armatos. Let us resolve this mystery!

A page brings a message to Aleksios

Senators, I have more sad news. Pavlos Chrysovergos is dead. He died overnight, he will be sadly missed and for his contribution to this assembly and leadership on the field. We will finish this mess here and will someone remove this body from the floor and clean up the area. We msut stop bringing vile things like this into the chamber.
We will then begin to make the proper arrangements required for Pavlos funeral.

_Tristan_

01-21-2009, 14:41

Methodios glares at the receding back of Helarionas.

What matters can be more urgent than rooting out the evil that tries to strangle our Empire from within ? What matters require the presence of our Senators away from this august body when they should remain here and be questioned about the circumstances of this assassination and thsi failed attempt ?

I grieve for the loss of Lord Chrysovergos. Although we had been at odds for some years due to his undying allegiance to Ioannis, I would be a fool not to recognize the great service the man has done to the Empire in its fight against the Turks.

I grieve also for the loss of Lord Kalameteros' son. My deepest condolences go to the Princess Anna. No woman should see the fruit of her womb be put into the earth before her eyes. The Venetians have already taken a formidable toll from our numbers, almost more than what the Egyptians and Turks together have been able to bleed from us.

I encourage any and all of our commanders to take up arms and lead their men west against the foul merchants.

TinCow

01-21-2009, 14:52

The Protoasecretes stands and speaks.

This is becoming an uncomfortably common duty for me. With the death of Magnentios Kalameteros, the province of Markianople is without a master. My scribes cannot locate a will for the recently departed Senator, and as s result Markianople is now the property of Senator Magnentios' lord, Aleksios ek Ikoniou (Northnovas).

(OOC: Please correct me if I'm wrong about there being no will for Magnentios.)

TinCow

01-21-2009, 15:24

A scribe whispers in the Protoasecretes' ear.

What?! Another one? Perhaps if these Senators followed my example and ate more prunes, they would live long enough to be disappointed in their grandchildren. Ah...

It seems that the esteemed Senator and former Megas Logothetes Pavlos Chrysovergos died of natural causes not too long ago. In accordance with his wishes, I will now read his last will and testament:

I Pavlos Chrysovergos decree the following:

Upon my death the following shall be done with my worldly possessions:
The province of Sinop shall fall to my nephew.
The province of Dyarbakir shall fall to Aleksios ek Pigis, for the courage he has shown and to support him in his endeavours.
The rest of my provinces shall fall to Andronikos Komnenos.
Those of my retinue young enough to serve further are allowed to join the retinue of my nephew.

Senator
Pavlos Chrysovergos

TinCow

01-22-2009, 01:12

Event Five
Treason of the Heart

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(Story written by YLC)

Helarionas walked with a hurried pace through the streets of Constantinople, carrying a white, folded robe under his arm. As he brushed past a couple merchants avidly discussing the value of their wares, something caught the corner of Helarionas's eye. It was gone in a instant, but Helarionas knew he saw something, and his curiosity got the better of him. He darted down the streets, spotting in once more as it turned into an alleyway. “Most definitely a woman...is Chara following me again?”

Helarionas quickly dashed through the crowd and into the alleyway. He stopped and placed his hand on his hip as he was met with an empty, dead end. “So much for that...must be Chara, I don't kno-” Helarionas was suddenly pushed farther into the alleyway, and on instinct, he released the knife he kept under his sleeve into his hands and prepared to fight.

However, he was greeted with giggles instead of threats and blades. He stared dumbstruck for a second at Aleksandra Tagaris, in plain clothes more befitting a commoner. Her air was just like her fathers, and her earthy, round heart shaped face, complete with her tanned skin, completed her disguise – but even still, their was a magnificent, underlying beauty to her, and Helarionas had treasured it since meeting her in Alexandria so many years ago.

Aleksandra giggled. “Oh, your so easy Ser-” Helarionas was quick, and brought his fingertips upon Aleksandra's lips to gently silence her. “Do not speak my name so openly my love, it is a powerful thing you would speak of, and I cannot let that power fall into anyone else's hands but yours.” Helarionas pulled Aleksandra in to gently kiss her, and the couple stood in that bleak alleyway for a moment.

Looking deeply into her eyes, Helarionas searched for the answer to why she was here. But Aleksandra had known Helarionas for too long and knew his habits. “You can just ask, dearest, I promise I'll tell. I am here to see you, so we can escape together. My father wishes me to be married to the one I love, but I fear that Basileus Ioannis, in his mad urge for political gain, will ignore my fathers wishes once more, and I cannot be wed to any but you.”

Helarionas did a double take. “But, that is against the law! Law set in stone Aleksandra, I cannot go and break it, not yet anyway! I have tried the proper channels, I have spoke with the Basileus, and I await his answer. Please, give me more time to do right by you an-” Aleksandra stamped her foot down and stared Helarionas in the eye. “I will wait no longer, Se- Helarionas. The Basileus is after power, what power can you offer him, what can you give him? All that will happen is you will sit and do nothing as I am married off to some brute of a man who cares nothing for me!”

“I can give him my servitude, work as his enforcer and-” Aleksandra's tone took on a more powerful note. “You would lie even more! What I propose is more honest at the very least!” Helarionas sighed. “Well, what would you have me do? As you say I lack the power to do anything. If I so much as-” It was Aleksandra's turn to place her fingers on Helarionas's lips. “Hush, I have that taken care of. Ioannis Erotikos has brought me here, upon my request. I know you two spoke of “kidnapping” me, so I decided to leap ahead of your conscience a bit and asked I be taken here...you will support him, yes? And in return, you will not be so alone, we will not be so alone, when the world comes down on us...”

“...For our love.” Helarionas finished her sentence. He seemed to consider a moment, looking at the white robe underneath his arm. “How much do you love me Aleksandra?” Aleksandra looked at Helarionas questioningly. “Dearest, why do you ask this? You know how much I lo-” Helarionas cut her off. “Good, then get me one of your servants – a well fed, strong one that looks very capable. I have work to do then...” Helarionas brightened, kissing Aleksandra lightly. “I need you to be a good girl for me, and hurry to the docks, and get on my private ship. Tell no one your real name, do not use it. If anyone asks, your the newest serving girl on board. Do what you can to disguise your beauty as well, can't have you stand out to much. Send the servant to the “Veterans Haven”, the Inn near the Magnaura....now go! And hurry!”

Aleksandra nodded, trusting in Helarionas fully and ran off to the Tagaris estates to fetch the servant, while Helarionas began trying to figure out how he was going to get out of this alive,plodding slowly to the Magnaura...

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Rules

Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) has fallen in love with a woman and is determined to marry her. Unfortunately for him, that woman is Aleksandra Tagaris, a royal Princess. Both the Basileus and the Caesar have rebuffed his attempts to secure her hand through legal means, so Senator Anargiros has chosen a more direct course of action: he has abducted the Princess and intends to marry her against the will of the Basileus and her father, the Caesar. Some may say that Aleksandra desired the marriage as well, but as a Byzantine Princess, that choice is not hers to make.

Helarionas Anargiros has committed open treason. It remains to be seen how the Senate will react to this most recent scandal over yet another of the Tagaris daughters.

1) The agent avatar of Princess Aleksandra Tagaris has been teleported into Helarionas Anargiros' (YLC) stack. Except as stated below, she may not be removed from this stack by anyone, including YLC, nor may she be married to anyone, including Helarionas Anargiros.

2) If Princess Aleksandra Tagaris is still in Helarionas Anargiros' stack at the end of 5 turns after this event begins (it takes time to find a priest willing to commit treason), she will be married to him.

3) If a Senator defeats Helarionas Anargiros in battle before the marriage occurs, he will have the option of either allowing the Basileus to decide who she will marry (in accordance with the law) or marrying her himself, on the spot.

4) Senators who declare war on Helarionas Anargiros during the first 5 game turns after this event has started will not have to wait the required 1 turn before attacking him or any settlements he possesses.

5) If a Senator who is at war with Helarionas Anargiros is within 1 turn's movement of Helarionas Anargiros at the end of 5 turns, the marriage will be postponed until the next turn. This postponement will continue until Helarionas Anargiros is not within 1 turn's movement of any hostile Senator.

6) This Event ends when Helarionas Anargiros has been defeated in battle or has married Aleksandra Tagaris. However, any Civil Wars that began as a result of this Event will continue until resolved in the normal manner.

(Note: This event was created based on a storyline developed by YLC. It seemed very unique and interesting, so I have indulged him, with a few risks to his own life and limb as a penalty. If other players have ideas for involving their avatars in similar events, I am willing to consider them. Just remember that I like events that cause strife, and no one will ever gain benefits without risk. :bow:)

TinCow

01-22-2009, 02:00

It has been brought to my attention that Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) has decided to flee by sea. For obvious reasons, this poses significant problems for anyone who actually wants to follow him. As this slightly defeats the purpose of a chase, I am going to add in an extra rule for Event Five.

7) If Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) is at sea, any Senator who is at war with him will automatically have a small fleet generated for them if they move to a coast and request it. This fleet will exist only for the duration that the hostile Senator is aboard, and will be disbanded when he disembarks. There is no limit on the number of fleets that can be generated in this manner for the duration of this Event. In the event that a hostile Senator catches Helarionas Anargiros while he is at sea, both armies will move to the nearest spot of land, regardless of where that may be, and a land PvP battle will occur.

ULC

01-22-2009, 03:35

A page comes in quickly as Demetrios moves to answer Aleksios's question. The page whispers something in Demetrios's ear, but what the page says is as quiet as Demetrios's face is unreadable. After a nod, Demetrios waves the page off.

"Good Senators, as far as the man before you, I know nothing of how this at all came to be. I myself was to late to come to my Lord's aid when I heard a tussle in his office, and came in to find this man nearly dead, Helarionas's office in shambles and himself bloodied - he refused treatment for his wound, saying he had far more important matters to attend to. I then helped him take the would be assassin and secure him for proper questioning."

"When the man flatly refused to admit to anything, Helarionas moved to call the guards and have this man sent to the dungeons until he could alert you. However, it seems the man feared imprisonment, and quickly spoke of how Helarionas would fall for what he had done, and how the Tagaris family would pay their price one day for their betrayal. Helarionas then quickly, in extreme anger, killed the man, and I had to pull him off of the assassin. Even for sometime after, Helarionas was frighting to behold."

Demetrios pulled out a knife from a a wrap of cloth. It's design was a near perfect match to that of the blade that Lord Erotikos said had killed Lord Armatos.

"I believe this is why Helarionas believes that the two are related, and why his attacker is part of the group that attacked Armatos"

Ignoramus

01-22-2009, 06:06

A representative of the Basileus walks in.

I am hereby instructed by the Basileus to declare war against Senator Anargiros. I do not wish to resolve this by bloodshed, but I am willing to do so if a satisfactory outcome is not achieved.

The representative leaves.

ULC

01-22-2009, 07:17

Demetrios raises an eyebrow. "And, pray tell, what is satisfactory to the Basileus?"

_Tristan_

01-22-2009, 09:02

The pig Anargiros will pay dearly for this insult.

I declare war on you, Helarionas Anargiros and have no care for your veiled threats, delivered by your "servant".

Never have I bowed before a threat, and it is not a cowardly dog like you that will change that.

One last word : to any and all of our priests, should one of your number choose to celebrate the union that Anargiros wishes, he had better walk to the ends of the earth afterwards because I'll follow him there to kill him, man of God or not.

Ituralde

01-22-2009, 09:34

A man nearing his Thirties enters the Magnaura. His hair is already receeding but the features of his face seem to bear a resemblance to the recently deceased Pavlos Chrysovergos.

Senators of the Roman Empire! My name is Nikitas Moschos. I just recieved this letter stating that I am apparently the nephew of Antypatos Chrysovergos, which makes me Duke of Sinop and Comes as well as member of this Assembly.

He looks around, unsure of what to say next.

That's all, I guess...

His words trailing off he leaves for the benches where he takes a seat.

ULC

01-22-2009, 09:42

Demetrios stands up, anger getting the better of him. "Veiled threats? What veiled threats have I given, or has anyone given for that matter! Methodios, you know me, if I knew of this, what do you think I would have done! Ser-, Helarionas is an impulsive man, and so is Aleksandra! War over this will solve nothing, at least try to talk to them!"

Ituralde

01-22-2009, 09:47

He's right isn't he, the Prince should know how important the will of his daughter is.

Nikitas chuckles slightly, then he suddenly realizes that he had spoken a little too loud and the room really amplified a man's voice. Taken aback he tries to shrug apologetically.

_Tristan_

01-22-2009, 11:24

Looking angrily at Demetrios, Methodios stands once again.

What veiled threats ?

These are the words that came out of your own mouth Demetrios : "how the Tagaris family would pay their price one day for their betrayal."

I have no proof that these words came from the man whose body you so gruesomely displayed before us... They might as well be those of this Helarionas, of whom I know nothing but that he has abducted my daughter.

And for that, I'll make him pay... Dearly...

ULC

01-22-2009, 11:31

Demetrios facepalms himself in exasperation.

"Methodios, please! Why on earth would Helarionas want vengeance on your family at all?! He is a kind man, with good intentions! We have received little in the way on why the two ran off together beyond that they love each other! For all we know, it's possible Helarionas took the threat to the Tagaris families life seriously and escaped with Aleksandra to protect her! Where is your proof she was forcibly taken! We know nothing of the matter, yet were already willing to hang the man!"

_Tristan_

01-22-2009, 12:02

Methodios' anger rises to fury.

What is it with my daughters that each and every nobleman from this Empire wants to elope with them ? I sure wish I had more than one son to save me from all this trouble.

If the pig Anargiros had any inforamtion on the possible threat to my family, I would have had more consideration for him had he come to me with this.

I have defied my Emperor for the safeguard of my daughter, did he think I would be unable to defend another against a less than tangible threat ? I am not yet in the grave though it looms ever nearer day by day.

She may not have been forcibly taken but she could have been lured to follow a man in whom she had put her trust wrongly. God knows there are enough smooth-talkers among our Senators and nobles.

As to why would Helarionas would want revenge on my family ? I have not the smallest idea but I've done enough things in my life that I may have stepped on the wrong foot here and there.

I do not see why the Organization, reputably dead and done, would seek to kill a lowly Senator like Anargiros. The death of Armatos at least makes sense. It is a great blow against our Empire and the Order of St John, which fought most staunchly against the Organization.

Thus, all this sorry business smells of nothing but conspiracy... I will not tolerate that my daughter plays a part in the dark schemes of any Senator.

ULC

01-22-2009, 12:22

Demetrios falls into his chair. "Methodios, do you remember whom you named your daughter after? And who visited you for a year and half before my mother died? Your answer lies in that. I can tell you no more, it would endanger my liege far to much."

_Tristan_

01-22-2009, 16:50

I'd like to request that our Megas put at my disposal a fleet on the northern shore of Egypt at the port of Gaza or at any point between the Nile delta and Gaza.

ULC

01-22-2009, 16:54

Demetrios shakes his head. "This is madness, and nothing good will come of what you intend to do. If I am needed for further questioning, you may find me at Lord Anagiros's office. And if you do not wish to break your daughters heart, you will come visit me Methodios."

Demetrios picks up his things and turns to leave.

TheFlax

01-22-2009, 21:18

A letter comes in and is read to all.

I, Markos ek Sinopis, declare war on the lawbreaker, Helarionas Anargiros. As this letter reaches this esteemed body, I will already be setting sail to confront him in the Adriatic.

Markos ek Sinopis

woad&fangs

01-22-2009, 23:48

Andronikos enters the Magnaura with a confident stride

Methodious! When last we met, you stated that the happiness of your daughters was more important than anything else, even the will of the Basileus. Yet now pausing you declare war on the man your daughter chooses to marry.

From this information I can only extrapolate that the happiness of your daughters is not as important to you as you have lead us to believe. Perhaps something else drives your actions? Power? Yes, that sounds about right. Fool-hardy battles against enormous odds. You claim that chivalry was what drove you to these feats, yet you fled from from Zagreb like a whipped dog when you saw the Catholic rebels. Admit it, Methodious, you wanted the power that came with the title of "hero". Every action of yours has been a prideful display to gain you more and more power. You can't possibly have us believe that you crusaded out of faith when you have so little of it? And of course, let us not forget about your rise to leader of a house and then, sneering Prince.

realizing that he is rambling, Andronikos calmly closes his eyes, and then begins once more to speak

I choose to stand by the precedent established by the War of the Princess. I offer asylum to Helaronios and his soon to be bride. In order to aid them in reaching my lands, I offer province and title to and Senator who aids him.

May love triumph once more over tyranny!

Andronikos sits down in an ornate chair and begins drawing up what appears to be a charter to a new house

Ramses II CP

01-23-2009, 00:01

Ioannis Erotikas quietly returns to the Magnaura in time to catch Andronikos' speech. Nodding his head he rises to speak in his turn,

"We said sir, and though I own no lands I will second that sentiment! If you can reach me or I you without compromising my mission of vengeance I will offer you and your bride shelter and succor Helarionas Anargiros. May God grant you good fortune on your journey!

I must also point out that despite my following through on the compromise I offered I am still at war with a member of the Order of St. John. Given that I and my men are camped just outside the city this man garrisons there could be an accidental outbreak of hostilities at any time. Please, let us find some resolution to this matter before battle breaks out between brothers while the Turks howl at the gates of our cities."

Io returns to his seat with a rather more grim demeanor than he bore during his last visit.

:egypt:

Ituralde

01-23-2009, 08:35

Well, isnt't a peace treaty meant to be made between the two parties actually at war. Why don't you just ask Senator Petzeas nicely if he wants to cease hostilities. If not, crush him.

Nikitas shrugs apologetically.

Not that I advise any such thing. It's just the theoretical choices you have.

_Tristan_

01-23-2009, 09:02

Looking at Andronikos, Methodios smiles wolfishly.

And where you not yourself looking for advancement by asking for the hand of my daughter ? Your father had bypassed you in making me heir to the throne in place of one of his sons... That should tell enough of your valour.

As to the matter of Zagreb, you were still at your mother's breast when the Catholic rebels marched on 'my' city. I managed to obtain a temporary resolution to that conflict and managed to gain much needed funds for ouor war economy by selling that city to the Hungarians, in the hope that Catholics would not prey upon other Catholics... iwas wrong in that and I bear that burden since that day, believe me...

As to power, I have never sought power so muich as service to this Empire... It has brought me power, I won't deny it, but looking back, at the cost of it, there are a lot of things I would do otherwise... I don't know but your allegations carry a faint reek of jealousy... Maybe you would like to be a 'hero of the people'... Then get to it, lad...

You profess you know of the love of my daughter for Helarionas but who are you to know of such things ? All we know is that the man abducted her and is now trying to get himself married to her against her will, and surely against mine...

Should I acquire certain evidence that this marriage is what my daughter wishes, I may reconsider my position.

But it would have to be very convicing because I can see behind the pretense the shadow of the threat we thought destroyed so many years ago...

The Organizaton we thought dead and gone with the banishment of Aleksander ek Kallipoleos is back, and with a vengeance it seems... But where years ago, they tried to work covertly by way of threat and assassination, they now work through guile and connivence, worming their way to the top of our Empire by trying to marry one of their own to the daughter of the heir to the throne.

Now, I hope you can all see where this leads us ? Shoudl anything untoward happen to me and Basileus Ioannis, who gets a chance to sit upon the Throne of Constantine ? None other than those we all fought so many years ago...

So think again before throwing your support behind that pig Helarionas...

TheFlax

01-23-2009, 10:46

A man enters the Magnaura in simple clothing, although the chamlys he wears marks him as Senator. His gentle face seems weary, yet his light brown hair and mustach are inpeccably trimed. Waiting for the Ceasar to finish his discourse, the man then speaks up in gentle but audible tones.

Senators, I am Markos ek Sinopis.

I decided to come before in order to announce my impending battle against Helarionas Anargiros, as my forces have caught up him while he attempted to flee the Adriatic Sea. I expected to find this body in support of my actions or at least in tacit agreement.

Instead, I am appalled to discover that some in this body have made of this lawbreaker a hero or a martyr. Not only does this man go against the laws of the Empire, but the very traditions which harken back to the foundation of this Empire.

If you wish to change the law, then do so by legislation and not by cheering on someone who defies it.

Then there is matter of the Church. If God approved of this union,than surely either the Basileus or the Patriarch would be made aware of His will. Instead, the lawbreaker seeks a treasonous priest to consecrate his union.

Let me ask you Senators, how do you know the princess even loves this man? Rumors? If not I wonder how you know more of such things that her father. Shame on you for attacking the character of a great man based on mere hearsay.

Have you no respect for this Empire which has been bountiful to you? Have you no respect for its laws and institutions? Have you no respect for the men who are responsible for all you possess? Have you no respect for yourselves?

Rowan

01-23-2009, 15:12

Senator Erotikos, thus far you have not offered anything but words. Send out half of your army to the bridge between Antiokheia and Tortosa so a member of the Order may take command of them and I shall instruct Domestikos Petzeas to accept your offer for peace.

As to the matter of the runaway princess I must state that I do not approve of the business. While I still refrain from an outright declaration of war I warn Helarionas Anargiros that he is not welcome to set his foot on Order territory!

Ramses II CP

01-23-2009, 17:07

A grin resurfaces on Io's face as he addresses the current Grandmaster of the Order,

"My good man that's simply impossible. In our restructuring of forces I have already given not quite half my men to your lowest ranked member and seen no compromise in return by your side. It would seem to me that any impartial witness would put your side as the one bandying words, while for my part I have lived up to the agreement I proposed. Consider your honor sir."

:egypt:

Rowan

01-24-2009, 19:20

Vartholomaios speaks to one of the clerks in hushed tones. After a moment he can clearly be seen to be annoyed with the clerk.

I am sorry, Senator Erotikos. It seems that my underlings have not deemed it necessary to inform me that you had already complied. I publicly urge Theo Petzeas to withdraw his declaration of war. I hope that is sufficient to you.

It also seems that you have managed to gain the trust of Armatos' protege, Kousinos Sophianos. I may have judged you too harshly.

TinCow

01-28-2009, 21:42

*A scribe rushes up to the Protoasecretes and hands him a report. The old man scrutinizes it carefully, before grunting and shaking his head sadly.*

It seems the Venetians have launched a major assault on Zagreb. The reports indicate that the garrison has been overrun, the city captured, and Senator Alexios ek Pigis (Andres) has been killed. As the Senator had no know will at the time of his death, the Basileus has now added the settlement of Dyarbakir to his ever-growing list of forgotten and neglected provinces.

TinCow

01-28-2009, 23:18

"I hereby declare the Senate Session of 1185 AD open! It will remain open for proposing legislation and campaigning of candidates for Megas Logothetes until Saturday, January 31st at 23:00 GMT."

Northnovas

01-29-2009, 04:47

Senators,

I will speak briefly. When one is only responsible for one's land their vision is narrow. When one as the opportunity to manage the Empire there vision is broaden by the demands from all corners. I must warn you that we need to look at the bigger picture and stop the internal distractions that have beset us.

We have enemies to our west and east we have lost a city in the west and two are currently under siege in the east. Our armies are costly and disperse through out. We need some legislation and leadership to deal with these issues to prevent our demise from the factions that are looking to destroy us.

I would think that we should be looking at edicts to recapture land and move forward on our enemies lands. We need leadership in each theater of war to give direction so that we are focused on the enemy and not each other. That we can bring our many armies together as one and strike at our enemies. Only the spoils of war will make our treasury healthy and enable ourselves to be rewarded with professionally trained troops and living in a standard deserving of this great Empire.

Please let us discuss and create legislation that will move us forward into the next century!

KnightnDay

01-29-2009, 06:24

I want to reassure my fellow senators that my intentions are unchanged. 1200 men will soon be at the outskirts of Sofia on their way to combat the Venetians. I note Senator Vringas has a fairly substantial garrison there. If he prefers not to commit his troops to battle, perhaps my good lord would at least consider an exchange of 3 of my militia spear units in exchange for three of his own dismounted Byzantine lancers to strengthen our collective position against Venice?

Ignoramus

01-29-2009, 07:21

A representative of the Basileus comes forward to announce the rule change.

Rule Change 7.1

The following ranks will be added to Rule 2.7:

Rebel:
Requirements:
(1) Must own at least 2 contiguous provinces and then declare oneself a Rebel in a public thread OR
(2) Be a vassal of a Rebel.
Influence: None
Powers:
(1) This rank is always held at the same time as other feudal ranks. The Powers and Penalties of the Rebel are added on top of the Powers and Penalties of the Senator’s other feudal rank(s). In the event of contradictory Powers and Penalties, the Rebel Powers and Penalties take precedence.
(2) If the Rebel rank is obtained by declaration, rather than swearing, the Rebel must designate one of his provinces as his Capital. The Capital must be contiguous to at least one other province owned by the Rebel or any of his vassals. At the moment that the Capital is declared, provinces owned by the Rebel or his vassals which are not connected to the Capital by contiguous land borders are instantly lost and become the property of the Basileus. TinCow will determine whether an island province is contiguous to continental provinces. This territory will be known as the Rebel's 'Realm.'
(3) If the Rebel rank is obtained by declaration, the Senator automatically breaks any Oath to his Lord.
(4) If the Rebel rank is obtained by swearing an Oath, all of the Senator's provinces which are not contiguous to the Realm of the new Lord become the property of the Basileus.
(5) Is not bound by any Senate Edicts or Amendments.
(6) Is immune to Basileus' Powers 6, 7, and 16.
(7) Can pass an unlimited number of provinces on to the player's next avatar through a valid will. The player's next avatar will instantly gain the rank of Rebel.
Penalties:
(1) When this rank is obtained, the Rebel is considered to have made an automatic declaration of war against all Senators who are still part of the Empire. Rebels cannot make Peace Treaties.
(2) Cannot propose or vote on Edicts or Amendments in any Senate session. Cannot run for or vote in the election for Megas Logothetes.
(3) Cannot prioritize any Units or Buildings.
(4) Taxes are set to Very High in all settlements within the Realm.
(5) If the Capital is captured by a hostile Senator, the rank of Rebel is lost. In order to continue the Rebellion, the Senator must proclaim himself a Rebel again, assuming he still meets the requirements for it.
(6) Cannot hold the ranks of Dean or Scholar.

Secessionist:
Requirements:
(1) Must have been a Rebel for 5 turns OR
(2) Be a vassal of a Secessionist.
Influence: None
Powers:
(1) This rank is always held at the same time as other feudal ranks. The Powers and Penalties of the Secessionist are added on top of the Powers and Penalties of the Senator’s other feudal rank(s). In the event of contradictory Powers and Penalties, the Secessionist Powers and Penalties take precedence.
(2) If the Rebel rank is obtained by swearing an Oath, all of the Senator's provinces which are not contiguous to the Realm of the new Lord become the property of the Basileus.
(3) Is not bound by any Senate Edicts or Amendments.
(4) Is immune to Basileus' Powers 6, 7, and 16.
(5) Taxes are set to High in all adjacent non-Realm settlements.
(6) Can pass an unlimited number of provinces on to the player's next avatar through a valid will. The player's next avatar will instantly gain the rank of Secessionist.
Penalties:
(1) When this rank is obtained, the Secessionist is considered to have made an automatic declaration of war against all Senators who are still part of the Empire. Secessionists cannot make Peace Treaties.
(2) Cannot propose or vote on Edicts or Amendments in any Senate session. Cannot run for or vote in the election for Megas Logothetes.
(3) If the Capital is captured by a hostile Senator, the rank of Secessionist is lost. In order to continue the Rebellion, the Senator must proclaim himself a Rebel again, assuming he still meets the requirements for it.
(4) Cannot hold the ranks of Dean or Scholar.

Independent Ruler:
Requirements:
(1) Must have been a Secessionist for 5 turns OR
(2) Be a vassal of an Independent Ruler.
Influence: None
Powers:
(1) This rank is always held at the same time as other feudal ranks. The Powers and Penalties of the Independent Ruler are added on top of the Powers and Penalties of the Senator’s other feudal rank(s). In the event of contradictory Powers and Penalties, the Independent Ruler's Powers and Penalties take precedence.
(2) May create his own title instead of "Independent Ruler" and may determine the correlating titles of all his vassals, unless the Independent Ruler is loyal to another Senator.
(3) If this rank is held during a Normal Senate Session, can Prioritize a total of 1 unit per province within the Realm and 1 building per 3 provinces within the Realm per full 10 turn Megas Logothetes term. This Power is cumulative with the ability to Prioritize units under any other rank held by the Independent Ruler. This power is void if the Independent Ruler is loyal to another Senator.
(5) Can declare war on any faction at any time, for any reason, unless the Independent Ruler is loyal to another Senator.
(6) Is not bound by any Senate Edicts or Amendments.
(7) Is immune to Basileus' Powers 6, 7, and 16.
(8) Unless they have the permission of the Independent Ruler, any neutral Senator entering a province of the Realm owned by the Independent Ruler is considered to have automatically declared war on the Independent Ruler.
(9) During any Senate session, can give a temporary bonus of 1 influence to any loyal Senator of the Empire for every 2 provinces in the Realm. The loyal Senator must agree to accept this temporary bonus before it can be added. The offer and acceptance of the bonus may be kept secret until all votes are tallied, but TinCow must be informed of the deal via PM. This power is void if the Independent Ruler is loyal to another Senator.
(10) Taxes are set to Very High in all adjacent non-Realm settlements.
(11) Can move the Capital to any other province within the Realm, but this results in the Independent Ruler becoming a Secessionist once again. This power is void if the Independent Ruler is loyal to another Senator.
(12) Can pass an unlimited number of provinces on to the player's next avatar through a valid will. The player's next avatar will instantly gain the rank of Secessionist.
Penalties:
(1) Cannot propose or vote on Edicts or Amendments in any Senate session. Cannot run for or vote in the election for Megas Logothetes.
(2) If the Capital is captured by a hostile Senator, the rank of Independent Ruler is lost. In order to continue the Rebellion, the Senator must proclaim himself a Rebel again, assuming he still meets the requirements for it.
(3) Cannot be a Dean or a Scholar.

Megas Logothetes Powers will be altered to read as follows:

(3) Except as stated in Rule 4.1, the Megas Logothetes can move all armies that start a turn led by a Captain, unless that stack started the turn inside a Realm.
(4) Except as stated in Rule 4.3, the Megas Logothetes can move all fleets, unless they started the turn inside a port in a Realm.

Zim

01-30-2009, 01:38

I, Arintheos Voutoumatis, would like to announce that I am running for the position of Megas Logothetes.

This past term has been difficult, through no fault of the previous Megas. Many brave Romans have given their lives in the fight against the Venetians, who have fought like devils. Megas Aleksios has diverted as many resources as possible to the front, but circumstances have conspired against his efforts. The Turks' renewed offense in the east has taken the attention and resources of our generals in the east. Many of our most experienced men have gone into semi-retirement, including Senator Appionas who remains ensconced in his settlement with a large army living off of Imperial coffers. Others were lost in the war, such as Senator Savvas. Most recently and ominously, we have seen one Senator murdered on Imperial land, with accusations flying in multiple directions, and another kidnap the Caesar's daughter.

If I am elected I propose to have a careful census of the Empire's settlements and forces. Some settlements have garrisons larger than needed, or composed of non-militia troops who do not support themselves. I will speak with their owners to see about adjusting their garrisons. I will also see which parts of our Empire have been neglected in infrastructure, especially in those areas where the potential for profit is high. I know for example that the Levant has seen too little money for economic development, and even more so Egypt, who lost one settlement due to riots from lack of infrastructure.

I will also look to successfully ending the Venetian and Turkish wars. Against Venice I would first draw a line at Ragusa and Belgrade. Several generals are already making their way to each, or there already. I would see that armies would be assembled at those sites which, when ready, would march together on Zagreb and Venice itself. The Latins have had their few successes as a result of being able to isolate individual armies of ours. They would not be able to sustain a coordinated attack, especially as they have brought the ire of several of their other neighbors upon them, as well as ours.

The Turkish front is in some ways more difficult, and I would work closely with the Order, providing them the resources needed to push the Turks away from their land or, if they wish all the way to Baghdad. I would also like to see Jerusalem, now under the control of a rebel Arab tribe, be brought unto the Empire, although this would be a lesser priority until more immediate threats were taken care of.

Perhaps our most pressing issue is the fate of the Caesar's young daughter and the death of Senator Armatos. In the case of the former I would push to have talks to end the conflict. Given the option I would prefer not to see any more battles between Helarionas and other Senators, although much would depend on the willingness of each side to negotiate.

I would have a full inquiry made into the death of Senator Armatos, preferably headed by a neutral Senator. If it was this Organization we thought defeated, we will have to cope with their resurgence, and ensure it is a short one. If this is the work of pretenders to that group's infamy, they too must be dealt with.

In short, I will do my every utmost to address the problems of the Empire and regain that unit we once had.

Northnovas

01-30-2009, 03:20

Aleksios stands applauding....

Arintheos Voutoumatis well said! This is the kind of leadership we need from men like Arintheos in the absence of the Basileus who roams at sea. Only cooperation and coordination we will defeat our enemies. Are there other more amongst you who will take up this challenge?

woad&fangs

01-30-2009, 03:31

I wish to state that after defeating the Turkish army in my own land, I will march with all haste towards the Turkish capitol at Mosul.

I must inquire as to why Senators Erotikos and Sophianos are sittingly idly by with their armies while the Levant falls into dissaray.

Also, I fully endorse my vassals candidacy for the position of Megas. When I first asked him to join the Order of St. Jude, his first question was whether he would be able to continue fighting against the Venetians. That is the kind of man this Empire needs now; one who puts the good of the Empire above personal or political gain.

KnightnDay

01-30-2009, 05:16

As to the point made by our newest candidate for Megas Logothetes that our forces should be evaluated, I would ask the senate to make note of the fact that a number of our ships float not far from the coast of Venice with an assortment of leaderless and depleted troop units. I would propose these vessels be directed to sail at once for Ragusa and the troops placed under the care of a most loyal servant of our empire, Senator Markos ek Sinopis.

Ramses II CP

01-30-2009, 05:16

Io nods his head companionably before answering,

A fair question, but my good leader senator Sophianos has chosen to give the lads a rest and I for one won't gainsay him. We will march again as soon as he is ready.

I'd like to announce I'm also running for Megas. All that stuff Arintheos said sounds good, I rather think I'll do all that too if I win, plus I pledge that I will fulfill my vow to avenge noble Armatos within my term. I also believe that, with just a few sacrifices here and there, we can exterminate the remaining Turks and secure our eastern borders. Once the east is secure, and only once the east is secure, will the full resources and might of the Empire be turned back west. Until then I would intend to ask the good men of the Empire to hold the line against Venice with what resources can be spared.

The matter of the wayward Princess I declare my highest intent to see settled peacefully, and quickly! We must not squabble amongst ourselves while our enemies grow strong gentlemen! No man engaged in civil war, on any side, will have the support of the Megas during my term. My word on it.

Hmm, what else was there? Oh, yes, and I think it's about time we enlisted some allies against the Venetians. I think with a little encouragement our, err, not-quite-brothers in the Holy Roman Empire could be brought into the conflict to take the pressure off the western front.

Regrettably Egypt appears to be in something of a dire state, and the Levant little better. There are men aplenty in the area, they just all appear to be engaged in less than productive endeavors. Those men will reform, taking on governerships at the very least, or they will find themselves short of funds under my hand.

God grant you luck in our contest Senator Arintheos! (under his breath: Just not too much.)

:egypt: