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the post before this post in the 'vote for the person in front of me tactic' is yourself, so i think you should be doing a suicide vote Glyphz :grin:Good point~:pat:
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens
Random vote:
Vote: Ignoramus
Good point~:pat:
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens
Don't worry, i'll compensate, you had bad reasoning for your vote anyway :inquisitive:
unvote, vote: glyphz
It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).
Seamus made the first good analysis after night time and though he pointed out that the kill write ups would be important he made no observations himself... drawing attention to a set up?
@ Seamus: Did you not think the write up indicated anyone who didn't use English as a first language?
I find it suspicious that you went to the trouble of producing coherent analysis, but neglected to mention the obvious grammatical errors. vote: Seamus Fermanagh
As an aside, I think the initial election period definitely needs careful analysis. In terms of exactly when the mafia stooges would have been selected by the Godfather and how that may have affected voting.
Tally
No Vote = 6 (Askthepizzaguy, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Jolt, Seamus Fermanagh)
Abstain = 4 LittleGrizzly, Quintus.JC, Reenk Roink [courteously], White_Eyes:D)
Andres = 2 (Chaotix27, Tevashzat)
Ichigo = 2 (Sigurd, Taka)
Sasaki Kojiro = 2 (Andres, YLC)
Seamus Fermanagh = 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
187Beefyz = 1 (TincCow)
Chaotix27 = 1 (Glyphz)
Shlin28 = 1 (sereikhaan)
TinCow = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Ignoramus = 1 (Rythmic)
Glyphz = 1 (777Ares777)
Can't Vote= 1 (Shlin28)
Murdered = 2 (CountArach, Tratorix)
Lynched = 0
I would also mention, that some clever mafia point out clues that involve themselves, as if to deflect suspicion on that topic away from themselves, pointing out a clue could be good analyzing or it could be in association with the persons role.
I believe the write-ups are supposed to be written and posted unchanged (I wish that was true in Ephesus - It would have been sooo much more fun).
It would only have been fun for you; fun as in 'too easy to obtain victory' ~;)
You've repeatedly said that you were worried about having to do your own write up if you were mafia in a game that required it because you would have to put work into disguising your style. Now you are voting based on a few grammar errors--
And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite :shrug:
I for one am not going to bother looking at the grammar and spelling of kill write-ups. We have a godfather and two grunts, it may well be that there are native and non native speakers among the mafia, possibly even a native speaker from the US, a native speaker from the UK and a non native speaker.
And then there's 'khaan who enthusiastically analysed kill write-ups in Kung Fu mafia while he probably wrote them himself.
Beefy187
02-05-2009, 10:19
It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).
Shall we do a quick cooking lessons?
First we flame Beefy!
Then Beefy obviously wines!!
Then we meatball him!
Daddaa!! We now have a huge Beef steak!! :smash:
... gently mixed with meatballs..
I guess you must be feeling pretty tender by now :clown:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-05-2009, 10:42
And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite :shrug:
Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".
btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...
Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".
btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...
Are you threatening me? :inquisitive:
If you must, break the tie and vote me. Somebody has to go first :shrug:
That would seem scummy, and i would be tempted to vote for sasaki for evening doing that....
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-05-2009, 11:32
OK, my take on what happened last night, supported by elements of GH's write-up. First thing that we need to be aware of is that GH stated unequivocly that he would not edit the maifia's kill descriptions, as I think has been pointed out. As such, I feel that such things will have more of a bearing on finding mafiosi in this game than others, because we can be sure that said mafiosi have to author the write-ups. As has been said above, they will try their utmost to disguise their style (or will they) and it will be difficult to ascertain much, but the evidence is there and it is something tangible that we can work on.
Tratorix was driving home after the election results when he noticed a poster featuring a particularly attractive girl calling for change we can believe him.
“Huh,” he said, “That was exactly what I was just thinking about earlier during the elections.”
After a while, though, Tratorix started getting bored and was going to get back into his car when he noticed another poster across the street also calling for change we can believe him, but featuring another attractive girl.
As Tratorix approached the poster, something else caught his attention: a dusty poster plastered on a wall in the nearby alley.
When he first reached the dusty poster, he couldn’t see anything. Only after brushing off all of the dust did he realize that it was actually a picture of some unknown masked man eating a baby, just like Tincown had accused shlin28 of.
Horrified by such an image, Tratorix immediately backed away, but then tripped on a pothole. He fell backwards right onto a conveniently placed knife that was held upright with epoxy. The knife went straight through his lungs.
As Tratorix lied on the ground, gasping for air and slowly bleeding to death, he heard a rustling noise. He wasn’t able to turn his head very fast on account of his knife wound, but he managed to see a dark figure running out of the alley.
The first write-up. There seems to be a number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. However, and this has been raised previously, there seems no obvious reason why someone could spell Tincow, with an n on the end. Also important, how many people do we know of that would substitute 'him' for 'in'. Many of the people I've spoken to on this forum for whom english is a second/third language still speak/write very good english. It would also make sense for them to use a spell-checker. As such I wouldn't read too much into this, possibly an attempt to disguise a native english speaker's write-up.
CountArach was very happy with the election of shlin28 to the post of Chief of Police. So happy in fact, that he even left the front door of his home unlocked without being afraid of a burglary.
"With Shlin28 as Chief of Police, we have nothing to worry about!" He said contently to himself and went to bed.
However, that night proved him dead wrong. Just as he was about to fall asleep, he noticed a shadow move past his window. "Must be the neighbors," he thought to himself and went back to sleep. Then, however, he slowly heard his door open. Alerted by someone’s presence, he shouted "who's there?" but there was no answer, as if the wind blew open the door.
"It must have been the wind," CountArach nervously laughed.
As he was walking towards the door he felt something stuffed into his mouth and quickly realized it was a wad of cloth soaked in methanol. His eyes went blurry and he fell on a carefully placed knife that was held upright with epoxy.
Being under the effects of the methanol, he hardly felt the knife slicing through his Kidneys. Right before he closed his eyes for the last time, he saw a Shadow run out of his doorway into the night.
CA's death has a short description, little tangible detail to work on. It would seem from the similarity in the actual method of death that the mafia are attempting to make it difficult for us from the off to know when one of their number is successfully removed.
As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue.
Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero
To add to the pain of Everton winning the derby. :clown:
Was there any point in that Gaius? a rather long post that told us very little at all, issues at the TWC have been raised about players making big posts to make lazy townies think you've contributed, when really theres no help to the post at all. :inquisitive:
CountArach
02-05-2009, 11:45
I have decided to wait before posting any textual analysis of the write-ups so that the mafia do not know what to look for and change - rest assured it will be coming up soon enough though.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-05-2009, 12:02
Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.
Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.
Well, you could be guilty :shrug:
Beefy187
02-05-2009, 12:21
Was there any point in that Gaius? a rather long post that told us very little at all, issues at the TWC have been raised about players making big posts to make lazy townies think you've contributed, when really theres no help to the post at all. :inquisitive:
Its not like you can do much on day 1 anyway.. Least he gave some reason rather then random votes.
Beefy :whip: To make my self even more "tender"
Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".
I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk. I think it likely that this person would not be as skilled in faking kill write-ups and other such things. I admit this is a bit of a stretch for a lynch vote, but this is the first round, so I don't have a whole lot else to go on. I already had my first turn fun with the 'campaign,' so no need to do a silly vote this time around.
CountArach
02-05-2009, 14:01
I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk.
From my own experience (I had to pick my mafia in one game a while back) I did this.
Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.
Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.
Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.
Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.
Well, at least the discussion is proving fruitful. I agree the "tincown" and "change we can believe him" are likely intentional (the latter because it is repeated twice). However, "had accused shlin28 of" and "lied on the ground" seem to be careless errors to me, particularly the latter. Those are the kinds of writing errors that are difficult to disguise, because often the writer is not even aware that they are wrong. You can't fake a particular part of your writing if you aren't aware of what characterizes that writing in the first place. Those mistakes tend to occur in people for whom English is a second language or primary language speakers who are young and still learning, such as teenagers.
I am by no means so foolish as to think that my conclusions are completely correct, nor that I have miraculously identified a mafioso right off the bat. I am simply trying to sift through the available evidence to look for clues. Calling this a "vendetta" against Beefy is excessive, IMO. The odds are certainly high that he is innocent, but he's the best I can come up with at the moment, and I haven't yet seen another argument in this thread that has any weight behind it (barring that recently made against Seamus). If it makes you feel any better, I also considered you as an alternative to Beefy, but I then discounted you based on patterns of punctuation in other threads. Punctuation habits are also difficult to disguise.
The first write-up. There seems to be a number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. However, and this has been raised previously, there seems no obvious reason why someone could spell Tincow, with an n on the end.
Looking into this more, it could be unintentional. The phrase was "Tincown had." N is directly above the space bar. It is also directly below H, which was the next letter used after the space. A person typing fast could have hit both N and space with their right thumb, or with their right index finger while trying to hit H. The former is more likely due to timing issues.
I too thought that i would be another of your suspects with this theory, though English is my first language I'm still prone to making typing errors, punctuation wise i have a terrible habit of using commas in excess, overall seeing as there were parts like the 'lied on the ground' which i didn't point out as well as the fact you have reassured me this is quite close to a random vote, I will not question you any further for now. :balloon2:
At this time with no clues at all, I'll just have to trust my instinct (Meaning, voting at random.)
Vote: Abstain
Seamus Fermanagh
02-05-2009, 17:49
Boudica:
You pose a reasonable question.
I had not put much emphasis on the typos because those mistakes may or may not have any significance. Were they the result of poor translation? I think not. Babelfish and other such programs are pretty clean as to spelling and our "foreign" speaker would be cutting and pasting.
If, however, someone were referring back to earlier posts from memory, moving quickly, and using the Cntrl C, Cntrl V system to do exact repeats of a thematic line, then a mistake made in typing the first instance (see Tincow above for example of how) would be repeated easily.
Moreover, we all read our own material AS WE THINK IT and not necessarily as it is printed on the page. That's why I always used to advise my students to get somebody else to do an edit of their papers -- they'll pick up mistakes that you literally cannot perceive because you perceive what you assume is there. So it is very possible that it is just a missed typo or two.
So, absent a writing style, tone, or word choice that indicates an "English is my 2nd or 3rd language and why can't you Yanks be bothered to learn anything but English" type is the writer, I'm not prepared to speculate. Tincow's original effort is noble, and a good tool, but a bit premature.
Placing too much emphasis on the Day One vote is a potential trap.
Mafiosi would certainly like one of them to get the nod, but actively campaigning for it is too high profile. Conventional wisdom would suggest that being low profile is a better choice. Mafiosi know this, so one might go high profile and campaign just to indicate they couldn't be a mafioso...WIFOM central from there.
Considered in the light of subsequent votes and murders, there may be some useful data there.
Sadly, absent a detective making a quick discovery or two and revealing, winnowing out the wheat from the chaff will involve a harrowing of the town for a few rounds -- the calculus of mafia.
shlin, this is the coolest method of execution ever (Shameless ripped off from Oblivion: Shivering Islands, when you attack the ruler of the place, named Sheogorath)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bolU5P9K1I&feature=related
Currently looking through election period posts to see suspcious people, although most of them are jokey posts so they are not gonan provide much. I'll also take a look at the old Godfather threads too.
Quintus.JC
02-05-2009, 19:28
Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero
To add to the pain of Everton winning the derby. :clown:
Unvote: abstain
Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Pure retaliation vote...
We shall see at the end of the season, those who laughs last laughs the hardest... and the longest. :laugh:
Contrary to my previous post, my semi-detailed rereading revealed nothing :wall:
However, it did got me thinking, since there is 3 mafia, its gonna be pretty much definite that the Godfather would attempt to become the CoP (henchmen would be investigated by the detective if one of them became CoP). Obvious I'm not the Godfather, so some of the top contenders/self-voters for the CoP must have a slightly better chance of being the Godfather than any old townie.
*Walks off into his royal lair*
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 20:56
Voting closed.
Give me a bit longer than usual for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 21:33
We have a four-way tie between Sasaki, Ichigo, Andres, and Seamus.
(Sasaki never unvoted TinCow when he voted for Ichigo. I'm going to be a stickler about this. :evilgrin:)
Voting is re-opened for one hour. You can keep voting for whoever you like.
Vote: Sasaki
Just reinforcing my suspicions, although I am a bit confused - is the vote a runoff or is it a vote all over again?
If you have a full tally, can you post it? I'll shift my vote to get this decided, but I don't want any of those four lynched at the moment. Knowing the proper tally would help.
Vote: Sasaki
I can be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you already voted Sasaki.
EDIT: yep, you did, right here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127183&postcount=211).
I can be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you already voted Sasaki.
True - however, I was a bit confused, and still am. However-
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Seamus
if this is just a run off, then Seamus is dead - if it's a revote, then I will change my vote back to Sasaki.
Why? Why does this make a differencE?
I think GH meant we have 1 hour to keep voting for whoever we want. Including you, Mister YLC :brood:
True - however, I was a bit confused, and still am. However-
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Seamus
if this is just a run off, then Seamus is dead - if it's a revote, then I will change my vote back to Sasaki.
Uh, what?
Just a couple posts up, when you thought it was a re-vote, you wanted Sasaki lynched. Then when you thought it was a run-off, you wanted Seamus lynched. Care to explain this?
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 21:51
This is not a re-vote. This is a continuation of voting.
Tally at the time I posted the tie (not accounting for any changes since then):
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, YLC)
Ichigo: 2 (taka, Sigurd)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Seamus Fermanagh: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)
The following people have one vote each:
TinCow (Sasaki Kojiro)
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
glyphz (777Ares777)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
Abstained: 6 (shlin28, Seamus Fermanagh, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)
~~~~~~~
For the record, I won't be online at the time voting closes again but I will still not accept any voting after that. In addition, I'll start taking PMs at that time as well.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-05-2009, 21:53
Unvote:Tincow
Vote:Ichigo
:sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-05-2009, 21:58
Uh, what?
Just a couple posts up, when you thought it was a re-vote, you wanted Sasaki lynched. Then when you thought it was a run-off, you wanted Seamus lynched. Care to explain this?
Looks like he wanted to end voting quickly if it was a one-vote and lynch situation.
Only i try to save myself that much, you msut be hiding something to want to be alive this much
unvote
vote: sasaki kojiro
Thanks for the tally GH. After reviewing it, I will not be changing my vote. I'm sticking with my grammar-based voting for this round at least and after a quick review, none of the other people with votes seem to fit my profile.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-05-2009, 22:02
Vote: YLC
Its more than a little hinky that you are so rapidly shifting your vote in the renewed vote phase. As Tincow notes, it doesn't make a lot of sense -- unless you're trying for a quick kill to thin the ranks of those hunting you.
Tally as of post 294
Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, 777Ares777)
The following people have one vote each:
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)
Indeed, if it was a vote off, then I would quickly vote to kill whom I thought was suspicious. This is based off the logic that-
A) Few people appeared online, so I took matters into my own hands,
B) Mafia tend to pay more attention and are more active when it counts
C) This would be an easy time to insure that the mafia are able to slip in a vote to protect themselves
D) I thought it was vote off at first
Ichigo has not been on for awhile - he has not even looked at his role PM I have sent him which is date stamped 10:53 yesterday.
Andres does not feel scummy to me
Seamus on the other hand has my little voice going mad, so Seamus is something, and I doubt it's good for the town. I also suspect for the comment made about him by Sasaki.
Sasaki however, makes me interested, because he and Lord Winter invented something to argue over.
Lord Winters Initial Post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127474&postcount=242)
Sasaki's Response - which also leads into why I am suspect of Seamus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127526&postcount=245)
My response afterward that was ignored (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127546&postcount=247)
What amazes me is your all ignoring his obvious self preservation vote, something that has got me into serious trouble previously, at least question it! :juggle2:
Quintus.JC
02-05-2009, 23:04
Nothing wrong with self-preservation, especially at this stage. :shrug:
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 23:21
Seamus's post #294 is the last valid vote.
Stand by.
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 23:29
We have a tie vote between Ichigo and Seamus.
All other votes are thrown out; this time there will be a re-vote.
The re-vote will last slightly less than 24 hours, closing at 14:00 EST (GMT -5).
Tally:
Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki Kojiro)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, 777Ares777)
The following people have one vote each:
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
YLC (Seamus Fermanagh)
Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)
Reenk Roink
02-05-2009, 23:34
3-way tie vote between Sasaki, Ichigo, and Seamus.
All other votes are thrown out; this time there will be a re-vote.
The re-vote will last slightly less than 24 hours, closing at 14:00 EST (GMT -5).
Tally:
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Andres, YLC, 777Ares777)
Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki Kojiro)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
The following people have one vote each:
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
YLC (Seamus Fermanagh)
Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)
You have YLC voting twice for Sasaki and Seamus (I think his last was Seamus).
GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2009, 23:35
All right, looks like it's just Ichigo and Seamus then.
Thanks Reenk. :bow:
seireikhaan
02-05-2009, 23:41
:wall:
I leave you folks alone for 8 hours and I come back to this? Dear lord...
Vote: Ichigo
Sorry, my man, but its not a choice I like making...
TevashSzat
02-05-2009, 23:51
Well......don't really have anything against Seamus or Ichigo atm. Ichigo seems to not be active at all atm, which is not characteristic of scum, but I don't see how Seamus is extremely scummy right now either so......I'm going to let you guys decide this......
Quintus.JC
02-06-2009, 00:03
Vote: Seamus
Nothing against Seamus, but Ichiago just doesn't look at all like mafia atm.
Vote: Seamus
Nothing against Seamus, but Ichiago just doesn't look at all like mafia atm.
How on earth can you tell? He's made a grand total of 2 posts the entire game, including his post to join.
Vote: Ichigo
If one of the two has to go, make it a lurker, not someone as active as Seamus.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-06-2009, 00:26
I remember Ichigo acting a lot like disco the last few games...
LittleGrizzly
02-06-2009, 00:34
If the choice is between an active seamus and an inactive ichigo then ichigo has to go
Vote Ichigo
Beefy187
02-06-2009, 00:41
Vote: Seamus
Nothing against you Seamus. But if I remember right, Ichigo died round one or two, two games in a row being innocent. It will suck if we do that again in his come back game.
Logically speaking Ichigo is a better lynch
Vote: Seamus
Again, Ichigo simply has not been on at all since at least 10:53 yesterday. He may be busy, he may simply not have gotten on, but we are looking for mafia, not lurkers (which Ichigo does not count as yet!) - mafia are active to a degree, in other parts of the Org, like glphz was when he was mafia in my game. If Seamus is town, then death should not influence activity, rather only the ability to vote.
LittleGrizzly
02-06-2009, 01:05
Tally
Ichigo 3 (LittleGrizzly, TinCow, Sereikhaan)
Seamus 3 (YLC, 187Beefyz, Quintus.JC)
I would like to point out that Ichigo's inactivity doesn't represent innocence, he could still be a mafia that simply hasn't opened his pm. Seamus has done nothing to suggest he is mafia, so basically in my eyes we have two people who have done nothing to make themselves appear guilty, one is active in the game, the other isn't...
This makes the choice pretty simple in my eyes...
seireikhaan
02-06-2009, 01:08
And never mind that a pair of lurkers achieved Total Victory in Chicago...
LittleGrizzly
02-06-2009, 01:09
Sigurd also lurked his way to victory in the last game i was involved in...
If Seamus is town, then death should not influence activity, rather only the ability to vote.
You're missing the fact that if both are townies, we're killing the only one who's going to give us any help. Ichigo already missed a lynch vote and hasn't done anything to help at all. Seamus is helping and can put his vote to good use. In addition, there are far more ways for an active mafioso to be caught due to patterns in his activity. In contrast, a lurker mafioso easily gets forgotten about by both the townies and the detectives. Lynch the lurkers, you'll never get more info out of them anyway.
Vote: Ichigo
I do not suspect either of them at this point. However, one of them must die, and I would rather it be Ichigo than Seamus. The reason? Seamus, when townie, is generally more useful with his analysis than Ichigo, who tends to post spam when active.
White_eyes:D
02-06-2009, 01:53
Vote:Ichigo I don't like that he is lurking that much.....but I also don't think he is a Mafia (I mean two posts??).......:juggle2:
Ignoramus
02-06-2009, 03:50
Vote: Ichigo
If the choice is between an active seamus and an inactive ichigo then ichigo has to go
I agree with you there.
Vote Ichigo
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
:coffeenews:
Tally:
Ichigo - 7 (LittleGrizzly, TinCow, Sereikhaan, Chaotix27, White_eyes:D, Ignoramus, Rythmic)
Seamus - 4 (YLC, 187Beefyz, Quintus.JC, glyphz)
What amazes me is your all ignoring his obvious self preservation vote, something that has got me into serious trouble previously, at least question it! :juggle2:
What amazes me is that you are ignoring that other preservation vote, the one made by Sasaki :inquisitive:
I am sticking with my initial vote: Ichigo.
Even though he is not active in your game YLC, does not mean he is not active, if not publicly, in this game. It would be a good strategy to appear completely AFK the first days after being chosen by the Godfather ... or being the GF choosing his goons. They will do the work while he takes a few days off in Bahamas.
My initial vote was for Seamus based on a suspicious part of his initial analysis, and he responded to my poking at him well enough. I would have removed my vote from him then and placed it on a lurker at that point, but have only just got back online at this point. I have no particular reason to vote Ichigo either - and would rather vote for someone less active, but am interested as to why YLC says Seamus is ringing alarm bells for him?
so for now I must:
Vote: Abstain
Tally
Ichigo - 7 (LittleGrizzly, TinCow, Sereikhaan, Chaotix27, White_eyes:D, Ignoramus, Rythmic)
Seamus - 4 (YLC, 187Beefyz, Quintus.JC, glyphz)
Abstain - 1 (boudica)
EDIT:
Sorry not even sure if i should be voting now - just read the other thread. Apologies if i misunderstood, I just thought we all had to vote again.
Neither of them strike me as guilty :shrug:
Vote : Seamus
Tally
Ichigo - 7 (LittleGrizzly, TinCow, Sereikhaan, Chaotix27, White_eyes:D, Ignoramus, Rythmic)
Seamus - 5 (YLC, 187Beefyz, Quintus.JC, glyphz, Andres)
Abstain - 1 (boudica)
My initial vote was for Seamus based on a suspicious part of his initial analysis, and he responded to my poking at him well enough. I would have removed my vote from him then and placed it on a lurker at that point, but have only just got back online at this point. I have no particular reason to vote Ichigo either - and would rather vote for someone less active, but am interested as to why YLC says Seamus is ringing alarm bells for him?
so for now I must:
Vote: Abstain
Tally
Ichigo - 7 (LittleGrizzly, TinCow, Sereikhaan, Chaotix27, White_eyes:D, Ignoramus, Rythmic)
Seamus - 4 (YLC, 187Beefyz, Quintus.JC, glyphz)
Abstain - 1 (boudica)
EDIT:
Sorry not even sure if i should be voting now - just read the other thread. Apologies if i misunderstood, I just thought we all had to vote again.
Please check this post and the links contained within. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2128359&postcount=295) If people bothered to read what I post I wouldn't require repeating myself continuously like I always do.
lurking - to read messages on an Internet discussion forum (as a newsgroup or chat room) without contributing
Tada!
Anyways, Andres stole my tradition which is very rude. I would have voted Sasaki, but I wasn't around. Taka said I was guilty, which doesn't make any sense at all. Ignoramus probably has a role since he actually voted for someone. I'll have to go back and read some of Seamus's posts to see whether or not I want to vote for him.
Please check this post and the links contained within. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2128359&postcount=295) If people bothered to read what I post I wouldn't require repeating myself continuously like I always do.
I'm sorry - Sasaki's double??-talk confused me enough. It seems you saying that your only reason for suspecting Seamus is that (quote YLC) "Seamus on the other hand has my little voice going mad":inquisitive:
I'm sorry - Sasaki's double??-talk confused me enough. It seems you saying that your only reason for suspecting Seamus is that (quote YLC) "Seamus on the other hand has my little voice going mad":inquisitive:
Yes, add to the fact that (again) I said Sasaki and Lord Winter invented something to argue over, which included Seamus, with Sasaki coming to Seamus's defense. This is a lot better argument currently then anyone else has - if someone has a better argument, then my hats off to them. I'll be busy finding mafioso while you all go after the lurkers, see who wins faster :wink:
Vote: Ichigo
Thought about voting for him. Quite honestly, for no reason (e.g. Random)
YlC seems rather persistent over something rather trivial...
Out of Ichigo and Seamus, I would say Ichigo offers the better lynch. Also, if YLC is in the remotest chance of being scum, he could be trying to provide cover for Ichigo.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2009, 20:00
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2009, 20:32
Day 2
It had been a long day in the Gameroom town square, with lots of voting, changed voting, re-voting, and, of course, tallying. Lots and lots of tallying. Chief of Police shlin28, engrossed in a captivating novel, paid little attention to the proceedings, and instead drafted a couple of trustworthy villagers to do the tallying for them.
Upon the first count, the villagers came back to shlin and said that there was a tie vote between two villagers: Ichigo and Seamus Fermanagh. Cursing to himself, for he wanted to go back home and watch some TV, shlin looked up from his book, fired his gun in the air a couple of times, and said "runoff!" before going back and reading some more.
Some time later, the villagers came back with the new tally, whispering the name of who was to get executed in shlin's ear.
"Ichigo!" he yelled. "Get up here, it's time to get on with the show!"
Reluctantly, Ichigo made his way up to the execution platform. He hadn't said much, and it seemed that his silence was the primary reason for getting so many votes. He finally snapped to attention late in the voting when he realized that he would have to say something in order to save himself, but it wasn't enough. And now, he was going to pay for it.
Still, though, he reasoned, at least in his final act he would be providing a cool death for the villagers.
"All right, Ichigo," shlin said, "the villagers say you're guilty and want you to die. Get in the tank."
Before Ichigo did as he was told, an errant laser beam fired off from the shark tank, passing through the glass and hitting Ichigo directly in the stomach. Moaning, he staggered forward a few steps, finally stumbling and tripping into the tank itself, where he was quickly ripped apart by a combination of teeth and lasers.
The villagers properly "ooh"'d and "ahh"'d over the display of marine eating habits and a light show, and all of them went home satisfied after the day's spectacle.
Day 2a tally:
Ichigo: 9 (seireikhaan, TinCow, LittleGrizzly, Chaotix27, White_eyes:D, Ignoramus, Rythmic, Sigurd, Jolt) :skull:
Seamus Fermanagh: 5 (Quintus.JC, 187Beefyz, YLC, glyphz, Andres)
Abstained: 6 (shlin28, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat, Sasaki Kojiro, boudica, Ichigo)
Didn't vote: 6 (777Ares777, Lord Winter, taka, Seamus Fermanagh, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Askthepizzaguy)
~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (25)
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
seireikhaan
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Lord Winter
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
glyphz
boudica
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
Executed:
Ichigo
PMs please.
I was hoping it would be more... lasery :no:
Good luck next round my fellow townies
*Carried back to his royal lair by golden-armoured servants*
What amazes me is that you are ignoring that other preservation vote, the one made by Sasaki :inquisitive:
Thats the one I'm talking about you silly billy (to put it politely) I was talking about Sasaki's self preservation vote! :laugh4:
Why else did i vote for him? so don't give me the inquisitive look over that mister :)
Oh and if i'd got there in time i would have abstained, neither seemed guilty to me.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-07-2009, 06:08
Gah! Make an effort to get back online for the next day phase and find out we are at night!
On yesterday's occurences, there is nothing that really stands out for me.
Anyway, back tomorrow, kind of busy.
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 06:21
Gah! Make an effort to get back online for the next day phase and find out we are at night!
Same here.
Perhaps one of the dead fellows can replace me? I do not want to drop out but this is two votes I've missed. I thought that this would be the proper time to be voting due to when the previous vote ended.
Did the 24 hour cycle change, or did I mess up my math?
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 06:26
From my last post:
02-04-2009, 12:54 Day time
24 hours later...
02-05-2009, 12:54 Night time?
02-06-2009, 12:54 Day time!
Plus 12 hours...
Ah. Night time.
:wall: That was my bad. I only had like an hour or two to go until night time when I left. Makes sense. I am marking down on a Wordpad when the next day phase is expected to start. My sincere apologies.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-07-2009, 06:32
Thats the one I'm talking about you silly billy (to put it politely) I was talking about Sasaki's self preservation vote! :laugh4:
Why else did i vote for him? so don't give me the inquisitive look over that mister :)
I've voted in self preservation many times as town, in my opinion it's the right play :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 06:35
I still haven't caught up, but I agree. If you're innocent, or guilty, the correct move is to not get lynched.
There are some rare cases I agree with allowing yourself to be lynched, but, mostly it's a bad move.
Lord Winter
02-07-2009, 06:58
Just posting to say I'm here, I was gone most of yesterday and will be gone most of tommarow too.
GeneralHankerchief
02-07-2009, 07:26
The cycle did change because of the tie vote, however, I'm going to end the night phase a little early because I'll be gone for most of Saturday. So you may have time to still be on/vote.
Keep this in mind, people who haven't sent in PMs yet (if there are any).
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 09:07
I am willing to stay on a few more hours so I can vote.
As such, I'm checking the patterns of behavior thusfar, though I am going to keep the results to myself unless someone asks for them.
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 09:19
Analysis of writeups complete. Found something interesting, but I don't have a case to make yet.
Thread saved, will work on it after I leave.
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 09:25
Shall we do a quick cooking lessons?
First we flame Beefy!
Then Beefy obviously wines!!
Then we meatball him!
Daddaa!! We now have a huge Beef steak!! :smash:
... gently mixed with meatballs..
I am not sure if this is intended to be delicious food writing, or erotic writing, but either way, my mouth is watering.
Beefy187
02-07-2009, 10:06
I am not sure if this is intended to be delicious food writing, or erotic writing, but either way, my mouth is watering.
Argh he wants me dead!! :furious3:
Until the evil pizza lord breaks my two horns, I will fight till the end.. No Beef shall be part of your pizza until my death... Rarararara!! :furious3:
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 10:09
I don't want you dead.
In fact, I believe the mafia is trying to implicate you as a scapegoat at this point.
Askthepizzaguy
02-07-2009, 12:09
GeneralHankerchief, I'm starting to think you're a big tease.
I waited and waited and I have to go! :wall:
I'm sorry for the inconvenience. If I am to be WOG'ged, please replace me with someone else instead... or whatever. Doesn't matter. I'd like to be part of this game. If I can get back here very briefly tonight to vote, I will try. Otherwise I am assuming I need to be here for the next voting phase in over 48 hours from now.
Don't bother lynching me, I'll drop from the game voluntarily if I cannot meet the voting schedule, and I'm sure one of the deads can replace me.
I don't want you dead.
In fact, I believe the mafia is trying to implicate you as a scapegoat at this point.
That's kind of what I felt, but the discussion that followed made me less sure... I guess we must just look forward to picking apart the next write-up. I'm going to be offline for the next 36 hours or so (back on Monday AM GMT). If I'm not back in time to make a coherent lynch vote for someone, please take a vote: abstain in advance.
I've voted in self preservation many times as town, in my opinion it's the right play :2thumbsup:
So do did I but others don't seem to see that way so I thought I'd go with the minority. :balloon2:
LittleGrizzly
02-07-2009, 17:07
self preservation at the beginning of the game is a good idea, you now you are a townie (obviously mafia self preserve so not discussing that) you may be up against someone who doesn't seem like mafia at all but even if your fairly sure they aren't mafia you know 100% you are not mafia... so a self preservation vote is not scummy at this stage...
GeneralHankerchief
02-07-2009, 18:00
I said a little early, not eight hours. :tongue:
GeneralHankerchief
02-07-2009, 19:00
Night 2
Seireikhaan was driving down the street when he noticed a damsel in distress frantically waving her arms. He pulled up to her and offered his help. She explained that she needed to change a flat tire. As Seireikhaan checked the busted tire, a dark figure came into view and smashed his head with the tire iron, knocking him out cold.
Seireikhaan woke up many hours later in a dark cavern.
"What? Where am I?"
A deep voice replied "You are in a cave many miles from town. No one but me knows you are here. You are finished."
Seireikhaan looked around and discovered that he was strapped down to a metal chair. As he struggled to free himself, a large screen rolls down in front of him. Suddenly the screen goes bright and a video of a masked figure eating babies started rolling.
"I have your chair placed right above a giant tank of water. That button in your right hand will cause you to have a watery death," boomed the voice with laughter.
Seireikhaan did not last through the hour. His drowned remains were shipped to the front office of the Gameroom in the morning.
After the recent murders of Tratorix and CountArach, boudica had good reason not to go out at night for anything, other than for the lynching of Ichigo.
It didn't bother boudica enough to keep her from her evening jogging routine, however. After all, what was a potential mafia attack with the potential of destroying her entire peaceful little town when compared to the maintenance of her fitness regimen?
To be fair, it helped that she jogged on the other side of town from Tratorix's usual route. boudica went the scenic way, spending quite a bit of time in the Frontroom Park, far away from the alleyway, which, by this point, had been sealed off due to Tratorix's murder.
She jogged past the lake with its many mice and trace amounts of osmium, around the Frontroom cliffs with its extremely pointy rocks at the bottom, back to the lake where, sitting on a bench that looked like it had never been there before, was a man dressed in a business suit and hat waving at boudica.
boudica, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man.
"Excellent evening for running, I do say," he said amiably.
"They all are," boudica replied.
"Indeed," said the man. "Allow me to recommend a beautiful route up in the hills if you're up for a change of scenery."
"The hills, eh?" boudica panted. "Maybe it is time to adjust my route. I'll have to try that sometime."
"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, pushing boudica in the lake and holding her head under till she drowned, all with an apologetic smile on his face.
Eventually, Chief of Police shlin28 got wind of all these murders and grinned. The mafia hadn't been eliminated yet. That meant he got to supply another cool execution. After making a few phone calls to local farms, he gathered everybody in the town square, passing the nude unicyclist juggler and the guy with the boombox in the park. Stopping at this second guy, he asked a question.
"You," he said, "you're always at the park. Did you see anything strange?"
"No, man," the guy replied. "I was too busy chilling out to Perry Mason by Ozzy Osbourne."
"Well, all right," shlin said. "But I'm keeping my eye on you."
After some time, everyone had arrived, including the results of the few phone calls he had made. As a result, shlin was ready to begin the day's proceedings.
"All right, people," he said, getting everybody's attention. "Clearly, the mafia are still around, which means you losers didn't get it right last time. As such, we're going to try it again. And this time, the person with the most parts will literally be torn apart. I have acquired four majestic horses. They will each be attached to one of the unlucky person's limbs, and when I give the order they will race apart in different directions. Good luck!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (23)
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Lord Winter
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
glyphz
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
Executed:
Ichigo
perry mason? mason? does this suggest we have masons? (a townie pair) maybe the boombox guy and the nude unicyclist are the masons, seeing as that unicyclist keeps being mentioned.
*Carried out of his royal palace on a golden threaded blanket upon a silver armoured elephant*
I was hoping my equines would be kept as a suprise ~:mecry:
What's with the guy who listened to "Perry Mason"? Isn't Mason a fictional detective? Is this a clue written by the mafia, or is it a sign that our detective has got something? :dizzy2:
TevashSzat
02-07-2009, 19:31
What's with the guy who listened to "Perry Mason"? Isn't Mason a fictional detective? Is this a clue written by the mafia, or is it a sign that our detective has got something? :dizzy2:
Well, Perry Mason didn't seem to be related to the kill writeups which suggests that perhaps the mafia didn't write it.
That means that either GH or the detective (or a secret role) may be trying to say something to us
Sasaki Kojiro
02-07-2009, 19:37
The last godfather game had bolded "clues" in the writeup which were entirely meaningless. I suspect GH is carrying on the tradition :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-07-2009, 19:51
No one rises much above the herd in terms of suspicion so far. I'm going to Vote:Lord Winter, on the basis of this and a couple other posts:
I still find the whole Reenk bandwagon from last round incrediably suspicious. Its bringing back too many memories of GH's election in mafia I.
Vote: Seamus
Third on the bandwagon.
Now, mafia in those days was much more helter skelter. Lynching was often pretty random. In that game I (as mafia) started a bandwagon to elect GH (godfather) as chief of police. GH voted second. So why pick out Seamus as the "third on the bandwagon" and vote for him? Checking the original game Lord Winter was 4th on the GH bandwagon :laugh4:
I don't buy Lord Winter finding the reenk bandwagon incredibly suspicious because there's no particular reason for the mafia to make a big effort to elect one of their own, and if they had then surely Lord Winter should suspect Reenk and another person from the reenk wagon as well.
The bandwagon in general, not seamus in particular. I don't exactly have enough to go off of yet. I just randomly joined one on the bandwagon and went with the rule of 3.
Not having a strong case isn't suspicious unless you acted like you did in the previous post ;)
LW could have just not thought out his wording in the first post but I think it tips the odds towards him being mafia more than anyone else I can see at the moment.
Is sasaki acting normally? i've never played mafia with him before... :balloon2:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-07-2009, 20:51
Sasaki "The Wolf" Kojiro is always a little unscrutable. The only times he can be seen as clearly "off" are when he has a VERY low postcount. Unfortunately, even then it isn't a mafia tell, as he's been known to blow off whole stretches of games (to make himself less patternable?).
He did make a fair point about Winter's phrasing. "Incredibly suspicious" is just a little too catchy for that phase of the game. Had he simply voted for me on the third on bandwagon, it would have drawn little notice.
Vote: Abstain (this will change).
Seamus Fermanagh
02-07-2009, 20:55
Perry Mason was not a detective, but a TV defense attorney who almost always got his clients released by eliciting a courtroom confession that got someone else in the crosshairs.
Mason had a detective like quality but was not a detective.
Mason reference (townies in the know)?
Detective reference (GH already as much as said we have one)
Unicyclist is a whack job (Reenk?)
Could all be distractors too, knowing GH.
Hmmm......:inquisitive:
seireikhaan
02-07-2009, 21:10
Hmm... Interesting.
Just who the hell is this nude unicyclist and boombox guy, any claims!?
Night 2
Seireikhaan was driving down the street when he noticed a damsel in distress frantically waving her arms. He pulled up to her and offered his help. She explained that she needed to change a flat tire. As Seireikhaan checked the busted tire, a dark figure came into view and smashed his head with the tire iron, knocking him out cold.
Seireikhaan woke up many hours later in a dark cavern.
"What? Where am I?"
A deep voice replied "You are in a cave many miles from town. No one but me knows you are here. You are finished."
Seireikhaan looked around and discovered that he was strapped down to a metal chair. As he struggled to free himself, a large screen rolls down in front of him. Suddenly the screen goes bright and a video of a masked figure eating babies started rolling.
"I have your chair placed right above a giant tank of water. That button in your right hand will cause you to have a watery death," boomed the voice with laughter.
Seireikhaan did not last through the hour. His drowned remains were shipped to the front office of the Gameroom in the morning.
After the recent murders of Tratorix and CountArach, boudica had good reason not to go out at night for anything, other than for the lynching of Ichigo.
It didn't bother boudica enough to keep her from her evening jogging routine, however. After all, what was a potential mafia attack with the potential of destroying her entire peaceful little town when compared to the maintenance of her fitness regimen?
To be fair, it helped that she jogged on the other side of town from Tratorix's usual route. boudica went the scenic way, spending quite a bit of time in the Frontroom Park, far away from the alleyway, which, by this point, had been sealed off due to Tratorix's murder.
She jogged past the lake with its many mice and trace amounts of osmium, around the Frontroom cliffs with its extremely pointy rocks at the bottom, back to the lake where, sitting on a bench that looked like it had never been there before, was a man dressed in a business suit and hat waving at boudica.
boudica, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man.
"Excellent evening for running, I do say," he said amiably.
"They all are," boudica replied.
"Indeed," said the man. "Allow me to recommend a beautiful route up in the hills if you're up for a change of scenery."
"The hills, eh?" boudica panted. "Maybe it is time to adjust my route. I'll have to try that sometime."
"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, pushing boudica in the lake and holding her head under till she drowned, all with an apologetic smile on his face.
Eventually, Chief of Police shlin28 got wind of all these murders and grinned. The mafia hadn't been eliminated yet. That meant he got to supply another cool execution. After making a few phone calls to local farms, he gathered everybody in the town square, passing the nude unicyclist juggler and the guy with the boombox in the park. Stopping at this second guy, he asked a question.
"You," he said, "you're always at the park. Did you see anything strange?"
"No, man," the guy replied. "I was too busy chilling out to Perry Mason by Ozzy Osbourne."
"Well, all right," shlin said. "But I'm keeping my eye on you."
After some time, everyone had arrived, including the results of the few phone calls he had made. As a result, shlin was ready to begin the day's proceedings.
"All right, people," he said, getting everybody's attention. "Clearly, the mafia are still around, which means you losers didn't get it right last time. As such, we're going to try it again. And this time, the person with the most parts will literally be torn apart. I have acquired four majestic horses. They will each be attached to one of the unlucky person's limbs, and when I give the order they will race apart in different directions. Good luck!"
Look at the first part of the write-up, where the two kills occur, and then at the second part where shlin is mentioned. Notice anything? For one thing, in the top half every single mention of a player is bolded, while in the bottom half, shlin28 is only bolded once. After the first bolding of "shlin28", he is referred to only as "shlin", without the numbers at the end or the bold.
I think for this reason the writers for each part were different- perhaps both are still mafia, but there were probably two different writers here. It remains to see what shlin really chose for the lynch method, for who could possibly know what he is going to do except himself or GH?
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 01:01
Can't say much.. Shlin might know something about last nights encounter. The boombox guy could be one of us.
"That meant he got to supply another cool execution"
Shlins enjoying this :laugh4:
If Shlin is mafia then were truely doomed
LittleGrizzly
02-08-2009, 01:13
Lynch Shlin28!!
(or maybe not...)
White_eyes:D
02-08-2009, 02:06
I can see that both MO's are the same as before but that might help us tell when one of them gets lynched:smash:........and.....what in the world is a "Nude person on a Unicycle" doing?? was that something Shlin did?:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 03:04
Vote Count:
Sasaki: 1 (YLC)
Lord Winter: 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain: 1 (Seamus)
:stare:
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2009, 03:24
Weekend. I'm not too concerned.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-08-2009, 03:27
I noticed something interesting in the second write-up, I also find it quite entertaining but more on that later.
Thefirst murder involves two people if you include said damsel. I don't think this is overly important, but it could be something to note if it is a recurring theme.
It didn't bother boudica enough to keep her from her evening jogging routine, however. After all, what was a potential mafia attack with the potential of destroying her entire peaceful little town when compared to the maintenance of her fitness regimen?
To be fair, it helped that she jogged on the other side of town from Tratorix's usual route. boudica went the scenic way, spending quite a bit of time in the Frontroom Park, far away from the alleyway, which, by this point, had been sealed off due to Tratorix's murder.
She jogged past the lake with its many mice and trace amounts of osmium, around the Frontroom cliffs with its extremely pointy rocks at the bottom, back to the lake where, sitting on a bench that looked like it had never been there before, was a man dressed in a business suit and hat waving at boudica.
boudica, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man.
"Excellent evening for running, I do say," he said amiably.
"They all are," boudica replied.
"Indeed," said the man. "Allow me to recommend a beautiful route up in the hills if you're up for a change of scenery."
"The hills, eh?" boudica panted. "Maybe it is time to adjust my route. I'll have to try that sometime."
"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, pushing boudica in the lake and holding her head under till she drowned, all with an apologetic smile on his face.
I have good reason to know that this description was written by a different mafioso from the first. I authored this one,
It didn't bother Andres enough to keep him from his own morning jogging routine, however. After all, what was a potential mafia attack with the consequences reaching the possibility of the total extinction of his peaceful little town when compared with the maintenance of his fitness regimen?
To be fair, it helped that he jogged on the other side of town from Tratorix's usual route. Andres went the scenic way, spending quite a bit of time in the Frontroom Park, far away from the alleyway which, by this point, had been sealed off.
He jogged past the lake, with its many ducks and trace amounts of osmium, around the Frontroom cliffs with its extremely pointy rocks at the bottom, back to the lake where, sitting on a bench that looked like it hadn't been there before, was a man, impeccably dressed, wearing a fedora and trenchcoat and waving at Andres.
Andres, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.
"They all are," Andres said.
"Indeed," said the man. "Allow me to recommend a beautiful route up in the hills, if you're up for a change of scenery."
"The hills, eh?" Andres panted. "Maybe it is time to adjust my route. I'll have to try that sometime."
"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, whipping out his revolver and blasting Andres, all with an apologetic smile on his face. Andres's lifeless corpse rolled into the lake, the ducks having already made room for him by flying away upon the sound of the mafioso's gunshot.
with some assistance from GH for Mafia VIII, during which game 'Khaan and I were mafia. It is basically a word for word transcription.
It could be that the cunning mafiosi are trawling through various old games copying other kill descriptions in order to disguise their writing styles. It could be that someone who played in that game is attempting to frame me, although it seems that no-one else picked up on it. Shlin I hereby request that the next mafioso we catch is done for copyright infringement before we rip him apart with horses.
I'd also suggest that the last part of the write-up, the 'next morning' part if you will is authored by GH, rather than the mafiosi.
Vote: Sasaki
Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description.
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 03:32
I noticed something interesting in the second write-up, I also find it quite entertaining but more on that later.
Thefirst murder involves two people if you include said damsel. I don't think this is overly important, but it could be something to note if it is a recurring theme.
I have good reason to know that this description was written by a different mafioso from the first. I authored this one,
with some assistance from GH for Mafia VIII, during which game 'Khaan and I were mafia. It is basically a word for word transcription.
It could be that the cunning mafiosi are trawling through various old games copying other kill descriptions in order to disguise their writing styles. It could be that someone who played in that game is attempting to frame me, although it seems that no-one else picked up on it. Shlin I hereby request that the next mafioso we catch is done for copyright infringement before we rip him apart with horses.
I'd also suggest that the last part of the write-up, the 'next morning' part if you will is authored by GH, rather than the mafiosi.
Vote: Sasaki
Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description.
Long shot but I think you are innocent. Good find.
Could the mafia be one of those who played in Mafia VIII? Or is it another WIFOM
TevashSzat
02-08-2009, 04:23
It could be that the cunning mafiosi are trawling through various old games copying other kill descriptions in order to disguise their writing styles. It could be that someone who played in that game is attempting to frame me, although it seems that no-one else picked up on it. Shlin I hereby request that the next mafioso we catch is done for copyright infringement before we rip him apart with horses..
Hmm....that'd be a good way for them to disguise their writing styles.
I don't recollect the first writeup from any game that I've played in, but I don't really remember writeups that clearly.....Does anyone here remember the first writeup?
seireikhaan
02-08-2009, 04:24
Long shot but I think you are innocent. Good find.
Could the mafia be one of those who played in Mafia VIII? Or is it another WIFOM
Well... I'm dead. And Gaius was the only other mafioso.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-08-2009, 04:55
Where's Agonnyduck when you need him?
White_eyes:D
02-08-2009, 06:16
Ok, I have looked at both write-up's carefully:book:....and come up with some clues.......(Which could just be WIFOM....but I think they left them by mistake...:dizzy2:) Both kill write-ups for the first and second night, always have the same method of murder.....but both are different in there disposition..
Horrified by such an image, Tratorix immediately backed away, but then tripped on a pothole. He fell backwards right onto a conveniently placed knife that was held upright with epoxy. The knife went straight through his lungs.
Here on night one, we see the killer never kills the target directly....but seems to make his target kill himself....
"I have your chair placed right above a giant tank of water. That button in your right hand will cause you to have a watery death," boomed the voice with laughter.
Seireikhaan did not last through the hour. His drowned remains were shipped to the front office of the Gameroom in the morning.
While the second Kill write-ups have the killer have a more hands-on approach to his targets.....
"It must have been the wind," CountArach nervously laughed.
As he was walking towards the door he felt something stuffed into his mouth and quickly realized it was a wad of cloth soaked in methanol. His eyes went blurry and he fell on a carefully placed knife that was held upright with epoxy. In the second one he seems to steal or use a write-up from another game......
"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, pushing boudica in the lake and holding her head under till she drowned, all with an apologetic smile on his face.
Maybe they both are using write-ups from other games to confuse town and make a huge WIFOM....:wall::wall: but until a get a better analysis of this I Vote:abstain:smash:
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 06:44
Well... I'm dead. And Gaius was the only other mafioso.
I meant all players.
List of players who are playing and played mafia VII
Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
I think thats everyone who played and are here atm. Correct me if Im wrong
Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Craterus
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
777ares777
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Fixed
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 07:09
Wait.. You weren't playing were you? Or did you have a different name?
Evidence
Signed up (28/30):
Ichigo (welcome back, BTW!)
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
seireikhaan
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Lord Winter
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
CountArach
Tratorix
Chaotix27
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
glyphz
boudica
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro (also welcome back!)
You ARE joking right? I have one of the highest post counts? I wouldn't just talk/Spam so much for nothing! :clown:
Tratorix
02-08-2009, 08:20
You ARE joking right? I have one of the highest post counts? I wouldn't just talk/Spam so much for nothing!
I believe Beefy was listing people who played in both this and mafia VII. :sweatdrop:
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 09:36
Tratorix is correct. Yea that post was rather confusing.. Ill go edit it :sweatdrop:
Quintus.JC
02-08-2009, 11:13
I meant all players.
List of players who are playing and played mafia VII
Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
ATPG
I think thats everyone who played and are here atm. Correct me if Im wrong
I don't think ATPG played, or did he have a different user name?
Beefy187
02-08-2009, 12:09
He probs didnt.. I got confused by Ares list :sweatdrop:
Ill fix that unless someone says otherwise
Very, very interesting. No spelling/grammar errors in the first kill (at least as far as I can tell on a single read without coffee) and a second kill that is copied from a previous game. Honestly, I would like to take a moment to give a nod of respect to whoever did that. I've been pondering the best manner to disguise one's own writing style, but that never even occurred to me. It's an exceptionally brilliant move. :bow:
I have done a bit of searching for various bits of the other three kill write-ups. As far as I can tell, all three are original and only the second one on N2 was copied from another game. I don't think this is a coincidence. I think one of the mafioso was uncomfortable having his writing style analyzed last turn, and came up with a perfect way to avoid it in the future. This makes me think I was correct in my profiling. I suspect one of the mafioso is young, probably a teenager and still in high/secondary school. English as a second language is still possible, but the general writing style was good. There were a few careless errors and one classic violation of grammar rules. This reminds me of young native-English speaking writers. People who have English as a second language tend to make more errors or none at all.
I will stick with my original vote from last round, as he still qualifies by the above:
Vote: 187Beefyz
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 16:32
Writeup analysis is a dead end unless you guys think it's enough to lynch. There's more than one person who could have made errors in grammar, and they're easy to make deliberately. I made some on purpose in one of my replies to you yesterday.
Now, when we get down to around 10 people and have a whole string of write ups it can be a useful tool but ya'll ought to stick to thread.
Reenk Roink
02-08-2009, 16:57
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia. :bow:
Hmmm... why is the "indirect" killer always using "baby-eating" as a method to force people to eat babies?
Is this an attempt to frame me or Tincow? :inquisitive: (WIFOM I know...)
Apart from that, I got nothing.
PS: This CoP job is really easy isn't it? All I gotta do is say something vaguely connected to the game, then I can waltz back to my Crystal Palace.
Reenk Roink
02-08-2009, 17:04
PS: This CoP job is really easy isn't it? All I gotta do is say something vaguely connected to the game, then I can waltz back to my Crystal Palace.
I put you in power and will remove you if need be. :yes: :bow:
*Reads whole thread in panic in order to find someone to accuse*
Seamus Fermanagh
02-08-2009, 17:17
Grist for analysis: Thus far (post #385)....
User Name, # of Posts , # Posts after play starts
Askthepizzaguy 42 36
777Ares777 31 28
GeneralHankerchief 31
Andres 23 22
TinCow 22 21
Sasaki Kojiro 21 19
187Beefyz 19 18
YLC 19 17
shlin28 16 15
Quintus.JC 14 13
Seamus Fermanagh 13 11
seireikhaan 13 11
CountArach 13
Reenk Roink 11 7
TevashSzat 10 9
LittleGrizzly 10 9
Chaotix27 8 7
White_eyes:D 8 7
Sigurd 8 4
boudica 7 6
glyphz 7 6
Rythmic 6 5
Gaius Scribonius Curio 6 5
Lord Winter 6 5
Jolt 6 5
Tratorix 5 4
Ichigo 3 2
taka 2 1
Ignoramus 2 1
Myrddraal 2
Ituralde 1
Host, Not Playing, Murdered, Lynched, Chief of Police
What do I view as points of interest here? Lets see....:
1. taka and Iggy are in total lurk mode. However, both have voted to avoid WOG status....
2. Sigurd is quite a bit less active than usual for him, moreover, his posts have been shorter and less analytical than typical -- though to be fair we're only done with N2, so it's early.
3. I cannot recall the time I saw Beefy this active in only 3D, 2N. Admittedly, he was targeted a bit by Tincow, but....
4. Andres is also quite active. I'm used to our noble moderator, when not hosting, being a bit below the high end of the posting list.
5. Not sure on Ares, he's active, but I have less of a sense of him so far. Comments from others?
Regarding the Death Write ups.
YES there are clues there, there always are. Especially in a game where the Mafiosi take the lead writer's role as GH has stated is the case here.
HOWEVER, as Sasaki notes, this kind of data -- barring a major gaffe -- tends not to be decisive early on. All we know for sure is that we have two themes running so far. 1st theme is direct v indirect (noted by White Eyes) and a second is common means of death (pre-placed knives N1, drowning N2). All this tells us is that the killers enjoy a little thematic gaming -- something I always loved as mafia -- but that characteristic isn't all that rare in this crowd.
However, noting the "lifting" of a previous scene almost in its entirety may be significant. We may have at least one mafioso who is high on google-fu and research. Most folks just do it their own way, but this person went and researched past games -- probably for some time -- to select one and minimize style recognition. This "lifting" occurred well enough in advance to be coordinated with the other killers, so that the theme could be contiguous.
Obviously, these mafia are organized, probalby using an external thread -- again, not uncommon.
Based on differing activity level, as well as Tincow's concerns, I'd like to here a proper defense from Beefy.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: 187Beefyz
Tally as of post #390
187Beefyz = 2 (Seamus, Tincow)
Sasaki = 2 (GSC, YLC)
Abstain = 1 (White Eyes)
Implied Abstain = 8 (Shlin, Tevash, Ares, Chaotix, Grizz, Beefy. QJC, Tratorix, Reenk)
Dead = 5 (Ichigo, Boudica, 'khaan, trat, arach)
No Vote = 10
Got one :embarassed:
Remember last round when YLC is so focused on the supposed suspicious conversation between Sasaki and Lord Winter (which I find NOT suspicious at all. If they are both scum, it would take a ridiculous amount of planning so that they both get online at the same time), yet soooooooo protective of Ichigo. Note that in the write-up the second killer with a "an apologetic smile on his face." This could suggest that he did not like killing people face to face, but prefer to use traps/force people to commit suicide. Could Ichigo be the mafia and lynched, and then YLC/a henchman commited the murders on N2?
Its a long shot, but its certainly better than basing it on who played in another mafia game.
Based on differing activity level, as well as Tincow's concerns, I'd like to here a proper defense from Beefy.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: 187Beefyz
Tally as of post #390
187Beefyz = 2 (Seamus, Tincow)
Sasaki = 2 (GSC, YLC)
Abstain = 1 (White Eyes)
Implied Abstain = 8 (Shlin, Tevash, Ares, Chaotix, Grizz, Beefy. QJC, Tratorix, Reenk)
Dead = 5 (Ichigo, Boudica, 'khaan, trat, arach)
No Vote = 10
Beefy won't be here to respond to this, as he is in Australia and the phase ends in a couple of hours :juggle:
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2009, 17:30
I'm going to extend this round a couple of hours to see if we can't get some of those "implied abstains" into the "actually voted" category.
If this keeps up I may also pull my standard "no more abstains" rule early.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 17:33
Got one :embarassed:
Remember last round when YLC is so focused on the supposed suspicious conversation between Sasaki and Lord Winter (which I find NOT suspicious at all. If they are both scum, it would take a ridiculous amount of planning so that they both get online at the same time), yet soooooooo protective of Ichigo. Note that in the write-up the second killer with a "an apologetic smile on his face." This could suggest that he did not like killing people face to face, but prefer to use traps/force people to commit suicide. Could Ichigo be the mafia and lynched, and then YLC/a henchman commited the murders on N2?
Its a long shot, but its certainly better than basing it on who played in another mafia game.
While I agree that YLC's behavior was odd, if Ichigo was mafia there would only have been one kill tonight.
Reenk Roink
02-08-2009, 17:35
Sorry but I simply cannot allow Beefy to die this early yet again. He has been knocked off these games too early too frequently. I myself know the frustration when you join a bunch of Mafia games and are either voted off or killed early. :no:
To actually clear Beefy, here is an argument (so people can't say I'm not being helpful):
The analysis on the writing styles is admirable but also, I feel it is far too exaggerated. Does anyone really believe that the guy who lifted the writeup from another game did research on all the games? He probably remembered a kill he liked and went with it. Yes there are people who would analyze kills and the game in general like that, but they are few, and the lazy are many.
It is also easier than some people are saying to change writing styles. Look at the kill writeups of Reenk Roink in Mafia V against the kill writeups of Reenk Roink in Rise of the Mob. Both games interlapped by the way.
You can find small changes (differing places of quotation marks, more sober punctuation use in one) as well as larger thematic changes (European vs American flavor, elaborate kills vs quick punchline kills).
Look at Beefy's recent Fillet Royale game. Look how inconsistent the Watcher's letters are.
All planned really.
Unvote: Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Sorry Sasaki but you will play the game if you are dead anyway. :bow:
Save Beefy! :charge:
Huh, thats my theory blown out of the water. I thought mafia would still get two kills like in GH's games.
I guess YLC is not too suspcious after all.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 18:33
About half an hour to the deadline...only so many times you can self protect before it bites you in the back. Still the right play though.
Unvote:Lord Winter
Vote:Beefy
Ties can be nice. If two people vote for LW I'll switch back. He's a better lynch than Beefy I think.
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2009, 18:38
About half an hour to the deadline
ORLY (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130934&postcount=393)
TevashSzat
02-08-2009, 22:22
I don't find these writeup analysis to be particularly powerful evidence since they could be relatively easily forged by the mafiosos given the revelation that the second one was taken from another game. As such, the analysis so far, IMO, only leads to WIFOM
Beefy doesn't seem particularly scummy at all and given Sasaki's self preservation vote only half an hour (or so he thought) before the deadline, I will Vote:Sasaki
Updated Tally:
Sasaki = 4 (GSC, YLC, Reenk, Tevash)
187Beefyz = 3 (Seamus, Tincow, Sasaki)
Abstain = 1 (White Eyes)
Implied Abstain = 7 (Shlin, Ares, Chaotix, Grizz, Beefy. QJC, Tratorix, Reenk)
No Vote = 10
Lord Winter
02-08-2009, 22:39
I don't like ethier of the choices for lynches. Sasski is drawing fire for, well, being sasski, and I think Tincows profiling so far is no where near enough to drive the bandwagon we've been seeing for Beefy. How is he suppose to defend himself for those accusations? He has no way too.
Vote: Abstain
Unless a better lynch comes up.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 22:43
I don't like ethier of the choices for lynches. Sasski is drawing fire for, well, being sasski, and I think Tincows profiling so far is no where near enough to drive the bandwagon we've been seeing for Beefy. How is he suppose to defend himself for those accusations? He has no way too.
Vote: Abstain
Unless a better lynch comes up.
Why don't you respond to my accusation and try to find someone you think is suspicious instead of waiting for a candidate to come up?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 23:03
unvote:Beefy
Vote:Lord Winter
I've worked hard enough at staying alive (STILL a good play and what I always do as town) that I do believe I'll be lynched soon. Last time voted to save myself more than once I got lynched soon after.
But a good rule of thumb for an early round lynch when there isn't much evidence is to lynch someone who doesn't post much and is gliding by:
Askthepizzaguy 42 36
777Ares777 31 28
GeneralHankerchief 31
Andres 23 22
TinCow 22 21
Sasaki Kojiro 21 19
187Beefyz 19 18
YLC 19 17
shlin28 16 15
Quintus.JC 14 13
Seamus Fermanagh 13 11
seireikhaan 13 11
CountArach 13
Reenk Roink 11 7
TevashSzat 10 9
LittleGrizzly 10 9
Chaotix27 8 7
White_eyes:D 8 7
Sigurd 8 4
boudica 7 6
glyphz 7 6
Rythmic 6 5
Gaius Scribonius Curio 6 5
Lord Winter 6 5
Jolt 6 5
Tratorix 5 4
Ichigo 3 2
taka 2 1
Ignoramus 2 1
LW is near the bottom, out of WoG range, and is displaying the risk averse mafia trait of watching and waiting. Add that to my previous post which he didn't reply to and make your choice ~:handball:
quickly ;)
I think the person who created the same theme from last mafia have alot of time on there hands and are known to be crafty, putting beefy out of the equation IMO, but putting tincow in the line of fire, he keeps on referring to the punctuation grammar thing, so much that he probably did it himself.
vote: tincow
Lord Winter
02-08-2009, 23:17
Come on Sasski, you gave me 20 miniutes to respond to your post, I wouldn't call that a delay. Response to your orginal accusation.
Now, mafia in those days was much more helter skelter. Lynching was often pretty random. In that game I (as mafia) started a bandwagon to elect GH (godfather) as chief of police. GH voted second. So why pick out Seamus as the "third on the bandwagon" and vote for him? Checking the original game Lord Winter was 4th on the GH bandwagon
I don't buy Lord Winter finding the reenk bandwagon incredibly suspicious because there's no particular reason for the mafia to make a big effort to elect one of their own, and if they had then surely Lord Winter should suspect Reenk and another person from the reenk wagon as well.
You can't write off that bandwagon as evidence just because we're supposedly more experienced. The town has fallen for stuff like that in recent memory. Yes, the use of incredibly may be hyperbole but it still set off an alarm in my head as I was reading it. There's plenty of reasons a mafia would want one of theirs in the CoP position. It gives them influence over the town and an excuse of why they haven't been killed when we get further into the game. Even if Reenk wasn't mafia, bandwagons still are a tool frequently used for the mafia to slip by the town. My choice of Seamus was based off of the common idea that mafia tend to be third on the Bandwagon. His response still hasn't proved his innocence to me either.
Further more none the accusations point towads mafia behavior. At best I'm guilty of poor logic.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-08-2009, 23:50
Come on Sasski, you gave me 20 miniutes to respond to your post, I wouldn't call that a delay. Response to your orginal accusation.
You posted before this without responding to the original :smash:
You can't write off that bandwagon as evidence just because we're supposedly more experienced. The town has fallen for stuff like that in recent memory. Yes, the use of incredibly may be hyperbole but it still set off an alarm in my head as I was reading it. There's plenty of reasons a mafia would want one of theirs in the CoP position. It gives them influence over the town and an excuse of why they haven't been killed when we get further into the game. Even if Reenk wasn't mafia, bandwagons still are a tool frequently used for the mafia to slip by the town. My choice of Seamus was based off of the common idea that mafia tend to be third on the Bandwagon. His response still hasn't proved his innocence to me either.
You said it reminded you of godfather one--yet as I pointed out, in godfather one the first and second person on the bandwagon were mafia so why would you vote for the third this time? The "third on the bandwagon logic" is used because mafia want any townie lynched and so as soon as anyone starts to gather votes they jump on. This doesn't work at all for the CoP voting because the mafia would only want one person elected, and so would be much more likely to start the bandwagon themselves. If some some insane reason they would risk that after it was done in the first game when the benefits of being CoP are minimal.
One of the things we look for in mafia is posts that indicate that the suspicion is not genuine and arrived at by artificial means. Your posts indicated that you weren't genuinely suspicious of Seamus and you are admitting that now--you aren't voting for him or anyone on the reenk bandwagon today and are waiting "for something good to come up" instead of looking on your own. It's easy to see how a mafioso would come in on day one, try to find a reason to vote, make one up without thinking about it too hard, get called on it and back off, and then avoid accusing someone on day 2.
Further more none the accusations point towads mafia behavior. At best I'm guilty of poor logic.
Correct, at best you are guilty of poor logic, at worst you are a mafioso. It's certainly possible that a townie would be careless day one and back off day 2 (the town certainly seems lazy this game). But on day 2 it's a little much to ask not to be lynched because you say you're just a townie who seems suspicious.
I hope GH likes the pro-bowl...
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2009, 00:15
I've decided to just double this session's length. That means it'll end at 13:00 EST tomorrow. Maybe that way we'll get some stragglers coming in once the weekend's over.
LittleGrizzly
02-09-2009, 00:16
Im going to Vote Jolt for 2 reasons, one his low postcount in the game, two based on tincow's reasoning of the english as a second langauge or badly spoken first langauge...
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 00:53
In that case, I got more then enough time to defend my self don't I? (I am in Japan now. So Im GST +9 or something)
Vote:Beefy
I don't think Sasaki is guilty either so just to save him.
I am more then willing to defend my self. But I don't know where to start. Could you give me couple of questions I can answer?
Tratorix
02-09-2009, 00:58
In that case, I got more then enough time to defend my self don't I? (I am in Japan now. So Im GST +9 or something)
Vote:Beefy
I don't think Sasaki is guilty either so just to save him.
I am more then willing to defend my self. But I don't know where to start. Could you give me couple of questions I can answer?
How in the world are you somehow more sure of Sasaki's innocence than your own? :inquisitive:
LittleGrizzly
02-09-2009, 01:02
How in the world are you somehow more sure of Sasaki's innocence than your own?
I second tratorix, you now for a 100% you are innocent whereas you don't now what sasaki is... (unless you are scum...)
Reenk Roink
02-09-2009, 01:07
In that case, I got more then enough time to defend my self don't I? (I am in Japan now. So Im GST +9 or something)
Vote:Beefy
I don't think Sasaki is guilty either so just to save him.
I am more then willing to defend my self. But I don't know where to start. Could you give me couple of questions I can answer?
:wall: :furious3:
Ok, let's try to get a whole rollback of votes now, off both Sasaki and Beefy...
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 01:08
How in the world are you somehow more sure of Sasaki's innocence than your own? :inquisitive:
If I don't say gut then ill be lying.
But strategically speaking, I don't think the God father will choose one of the returning players who are loved by everyone. They won't know about newer players therefore they'll get the analysis wrong, therefore are more likely to be lynched. Also they are more likely to be investigated early on and gather lots of attention. Added to that, unless the mafias are purposely faking it, its more likely to be a non native speaker just like few of the players pointed out.
Also it would be dead wrong to start lynching active players. If you look at recent Khaans game, the current trend is lurking mafia is more likely to win the game.
Lynch me if you want but if you do... heres my will.
Please everyone!! Talk!! That will add pressure to those lurking mafias!
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 01:11
This might have been mentioned before but a question to the host.
1. If the lynchee happened to be mafia, will they be reveal?
2. If one of the mafia get lynched, will they still get 2 kills?
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2009, 01:13
No and no. :yes:
Tratorix
02-09-2009, 01:15
If I don't say gut then ill be lying.
But strategically speaking, I don't think the God father will choose one of the returning players who are loved by everyone. They won't know about newer players therefore they'll get the analysis wrong, therefore are more likely to be lynched. Also they are more likely to be investigated early on and gather lots of attention. Added to that, unless the mafias are purposely faking it, its more likely to be a non native speaker just like few of the players pointed out.
Also it would be dead wrong to start lynching active players. If you look at recent Khaans game, the current trend is lurking mafia is more likely to win the game.
Lynch me if you want but if you do... heres my will.
Please everyone!! Talk!! That will add pressure to those lurking mafias!
The point I was trying to make is that voting for yourself here seems scummy to me. It looks like you're trying to prove you don't fear lynching to roll suspicion off of yourself. I've seen scum use this tactic alot. I've done it a few times myself. If you're innocent, you wouldn't want the town to waste a lynch on you, which you would know is a wrong move.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2009, 01:17
The point I was trying to make is that voting for yourself here seems scummy to me. It looks like you're trying to prove you don't fear lynching to roll suspicion off of yourself. I've seen scum use this tactic alot. I've done it a few times myself. If you're innocent, you wouldn't want the town to waste a lynch on you, which you would know is a wrong move.
Trust me, it's different with Beefy, he really is one of the few "selfless townies". :bow:
Tratorix
02-09-2009, 01:21
Trust me, it's different with Beefy, he really is one of the few "selfless townies". :bow:
Why are you so sure of his innocence? I'm not saying we need to lynch him right now, I'm just saying that I think that was a scummy move, "selfless townie" reputation or not.
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 01:24
The point I was trying to make is that voting for yourself here seems scummy to me. It looks like you're trying to prove you don't fear lynching to roll suspicion off of yourself. I've seen scum use this tactic alot. I've done it a few times myself. If you're innocent, you wouldn't want the town to waste a lynch on you, which you would know is a wrong move.
Its no tactic. But Sasaki was kind enough to pull of the pressure off me. Even though his standing in the chopping line and I'm his greatest rival. I just like the fair contest.
Lynching Sasaki will give town nothing I believe. Lynching me is totally useless except the fun factor you get each time for lynching me. But since both 1 & 2 is not the case, I cannot prove anything sadly.
If I got other options to vote for, I will. But if I am understanding the situation correctly, we are only allowed to vote for myself or Sasaki are we not?
Anyways because currently I cannot detect any scumness from anyone, I cannot point fingers at anyone. If you call that scummy, so be it. I personally call it lack of skill to find mafia. Out of many games I played, I only efficiently managed to catch the mafia once:wall:
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 01:25
No and no. :yes:
Does the second no mean mafia will get one kill if they are lynched? In that case, this problem is solved.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2009, 01:31
Correct, if a mafioso is lynched then the maximum amount of kills the mafia get per night is one.
Tratorix
02-09-2009, 01:40
Its no tactic. But Sasaki was kind enough to pull of the pressure off me. Even though his standing in the chopping line and I'm his greatest rival. I just like the fair contest.
Lynching Sasaki will give town nothing I believe. Lynching me is totally useless except the fun factor you get each time for lynching me. But since both 1 & 2 is not the case, I cannot prove anything sadly.
If I got other options to vote for, I will. But if I am understanding the situation correctly, we are only allowed to vote for myself or Sasaki are we not?
Anyways because currently I cannot detect any scumness from anyone, I cannot point fingers at anyone. If you call that scummy, so be it. I personally call it lack of skill to find mafia. Out of many games I played, I only efficiently managed to catch the mafia once:wall:
You can vote for anyone you like. Which is why i'm questioning the logic of your vote.
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 01:46
You can vote for anyone you like. Which is why i'm questioning the logic of your vote.
In that case and combined to what GH said.
Unvote, Vote: Abstain
I am 99 percent sure that Sasaki is innocent. I suppose we can find that out by lynching him and I can say I told you so. I will not vote Sasaki for my belief of him being innocent and fact that he changed his vote from me when he is about to get lynched, increasing the chance of him being innocent.
If that doesn't make sense, which I got a feeling it doesn't then its gutted.
EDIT: Im off to do some narrative writing. Ill be back in about hour or two
White_eyes:D
02-09-2009, 01:57
unvote:Beefy
Vote:Lord Winter
I've worked hard enough at staying alive (STILL a good play and what I always do as town) that I do believe I'll be lynched soon. Last time voted to save myself more than once I got lynched soon after.
But a good rule of thumb for an early round lynch when there isn't much evidence is to lynch someone who doesn't post much and is gliding by:
LW is near the bottom, out of WoG range, and is displaying the risk averse mafia trait of watching and waiting. Add that to my previous post which he didn't reply to and make your choice ~:handball:
quickly ;)
I don't think it is Sasaki(always a good Mafia player, townie or not).......or Beefy(Selfless townie).....and after that whole, "lurker victory" in the last game I played....I feel I should follow Sasaki's lead...Vote:Lord Winter:smash:
Lord Winter
02-09-2009, 02:12
If I've started posting in response, then isn't the goal of the vote taken care of?
White_eyes:D
02-09-2009, 02:29
If I've started posting in response, then isn't the goal of the vote taken care of?
Only because I put pressure on you...:wink:
Lord Winter
02-09-2009, 03:20
Sasski was the one who prompted that before. You have a whole feild of lurkers to chose from so why me?
White_eyes:D
02-09-2009, 03:23
Because you were at the near-bottom of the post list=Lurker.....now you spring to life like a dog on puppie chow....:inquisitive:
Vote: Abstain
just before everyone says im being a scummy lurker or something, i just want to say that i've been fairly busy in RL, and also i find theres too much info atm, so if i survive into the later stages i WILL contribute more
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 04:34
I'm back for more questionings if someone has some questions.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2009, 04:38
I'm back for more questionings if someone has some questions.
What's your opinion on lord winter? Despite his last post, I wasn't voting just to get him to post, I think he's our best lynch today.
Beefy187
02-09-2009, 04:51
Lordwinter often gets him self get lynched or killed early on. He used to be a lurker but seems to be more active in recent games.
He isn't one of the top lurkers in this game, but I cannot say he has contributed much.
Before he was accused, he kept on low profile range, just avoiding the WoG. He then managed to react to his accusation which makes him a true lurker suggesting he is either a mafia, protown.
As he was able to defend him self, I think he'll become useful asset for the towns in terms of contributing but if someone has to be lynched and those who are lagging on 1-3 posts are to be left as WoG bait, then I suppose Lord Winter is the best choice.
Wouldn't go as far as voting for him yet.. I want him to speak up a bit more
@ Ares
I do appreciate for you trusting me and going after Tincow instead but.. That post some how suggest me not being able to do something crafty.. My relative is a ninja damn it!!:smash:
Lord Winter
02-09-2009, 04:58
Because you were at the near-bottom of the post list=Lurker.....now you spring to life like a dog on puppie chow....:inquisitive:
I'm not able to make it the .Org as much as I like on Thursday Fridays and Saturdays. Which is somewhat accountable for my low post count.
Just reading through the thread and, thanks to Sasaki, I noticed a couple things -I'll thank him later if he isn't a mafioso :bow:
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Lord Winter
Tincow put forward the idea that either the writer of the kills was either an English speaker or had English as a second language and spoke it poorly - You fit nicely into the first category, and your continued misspelling of Sasaki's name as Ssaki, and the inclusion and exclusion of letters from other words, as well as other grammar mistakes, and the case Sasaki has brought forth against you (which you have either ignored, or tried to evade most of) seals it for me.
Tally:
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
Lord Winter: 3 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC)
187Beefyz: 2 - (TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)
Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka
Lord Winter
02-09-2009, 06:07
Just reading through the thread and, thanks to Sasaki, I noticed a couple things -I'll thank him later if he isn't a mafioso :bow:
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Lord Winter
Tincow put forward the idea that either the writer of the kills was either an English speaker or had English as a second language and spoke it poorly - You fit nicely into the first category, and your continued misspelling of Sasaki's name as Ssaki, and the inclusion and exclusion of letters from other words, as well as other grammar mistakes, and the case Sasaki has brought forth against you (which you have either ignored, or tried to evade most of) seals it for me.
My poor spelling and what not is due to a lack of a reread. Wouldn't these errors put me outside of the killer's profile as the kills have mostly been thoroughly spell checked and have no major (open to interpretation) grammar errors?
I don't really want to vote based on write-up assumptions and silly grammar errors. Plus I'm pressed for time, until tomorrow at least.
Vote: abstain
My poor spelling and what not is due to a lack of a reread. Wouldn't these errors put me outside of the killer's profile as the kills have mostly been thoroughly spell checked and have no major (open to interpretation) grammar errors?
Possibly - however, the mistakes are not likely to be intentional, if they are intentional, then we are dealing with someone trying to frame another - this is less likely, since not only would it take an experienced player to do this (which results in narrowing the list) and it would also require careful planning. It is easier and more understandable for it to be simple errors.
And yes, there were several grammar issues TC pointed out.
I noticed something interesting in the second write-up, I also find it quite entertaining but more on that later.
Thefirst murder involves two people if you include said damsel. I don't think this is overly important, but it could be something to note if it is a recurring theme.
I have good reason to know that this description was written by a different mafioso from the first. I authored this one,
with some assistance from GH for Mafia VIII, during which game 'Khaan and I were mafia. It is basically a word for word transcription.
It could be that the cunning mafiosi are trawling through various old games copying other kill descriptions in order to disguise their writing styles. It could be that someone who played in that game is attempting to frame me, although it seems that no-one else picked up on it. Shlin I hereby request that the next mafioso we catch is done for copyright infringement before we rip him apart with horses.
I'd also suggest that the last part of the write-up, the 'next morning' part if you will is authored by GH, rather than the mafiosi.
Vote: Sasaki
Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description.
I find it interesting that you have such a good memory. As far as I'm concerned, I really wouldn't be able to remember my kill write-ups as mafia like you do.
:inquisitive:
Sasski was the one who prompted that before. You have a whole feild of lurkers to chose from so why me?
This makes you sound pretty desperate. On the other hand, I have the feeling you are being used as Sasaki's scapegoat.
Vote : abstain
grrr. I had to go back 3 pages to find that mafia had drowned me :shame:
I hope shlinn lazerz their :daisy:s off.
But maybe shlinn should be lynched just to make sure ...
LittleGrizzly
02-09-2009, 10:40
Im sceptical of the case built against lord winter, it seems to have been built on a case for survival rather than mafia hunting...
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:09
PS: This CoP job is really easy isn't it? All I gotta do is say something vaguely connected to the game, then I can waltz back to my Crystal Palace.
I seriously am questioning why you keep capitalizing odd letters. Since one of the killers I believe did this in a writeup, are you trying to intentionally incriminate yourself?
Are you trying to drop clues? I seem to remember there was a hint game that GH planted in one of his mafia games where he would drop odd letters, and they added up to "sans investigateur".
Either you're deliberately leaving clues, Shlin28, or you're trying to incriminate yourself for some odd reason... or you're unintentionally messing me up.
I seriously am questioning why you keep capitalizing odd letters. Since one of the killers I believe did this in a writeup, are you trying to intentionally incriminate yourself?
Are you trying to drop clues? I seem to remember there was a hint game that GH planted in one of his mafia games where he would drop odd letters, and they added up to "sans investigateur".
Either you're deliberately leaving clues, Shlin28, or you're trying to incriminate yourself for some odd reason... or you're unintentionally messing me up.
It's shlin28, not Shlin28 ~;)
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-09-2009, 11:17
I find it interesting that you have such a good memory. As far as I'm concerned, I really wouldn't be able to remember my kill write-ups as mafia like you do.
:inquisitive:
In fairness I've only been mafia once, and that was one of about three descriptions that I actually wrote myself. It was also one of favourites. And yes I did go and check the original before I posted my suspcions in this thread. I was more amused than anything else.
I believe Lord Winter being held up to dry is a little harsh, but also feel that Sasaki has sufficiently justified himself against the accusations that have flown his way.
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: White Eyes
Gut instinct, and a lack of any better candidates. I feel that you jumped on LW a little quickly given your lack of reasoning. LW had already 'sprung to life' to defend himself, which he is entitled to do, and seems to be doing a reasonable job of. Have a Football game, be back tomorrow afternoon.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:19
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
Lord Winter: 3 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC)
187Beefyz: 2 - (TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)
Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka, Rythmic, Andres
Thanks be to GH for extending the round.
I am highly suspicious of Gaius Scribonius Curio.
For one, he's being very analytical, which I generally approve of... but there were at least a couple of posts that jumped out at me, and they don't make sense to me from the standpoint of someone who doesn't know who is guilty and who is innocent, and there is precious little evidence so far.
I have been making a very conscious effort to refrain from doing a serious in-depth analysis until the late game, because earlier analyses give false results more often and have less data to go on. Gaius seems to be trying to mislead us, or lead us, in a certain direction.
This is also evident in the fact that he's voting for one of the top two candidates. I don't trust him.
Consequently, I am suggesting that Gaius be considered a suspect. I'll put together a case against him detailing what I find wrong with him.
I don't see a case against Sasaki, but as a rule, I do not wish to defend him, as he is a suspect as well. Lord Winter, on the other hand, seems very lurkish. Let me recheck, just got here.
I am debating whether to vote for Lord Winter.
Vote: Abstain for the immediate moment.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:19
You're online at the moment, Gaius.
Would you be so kind as to sit tight and answer some questions for me? You're my top suspect.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:30
Because people whine when I post long analysis/accusations:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127837&postcount=262
Post 262-
You restate things we already know, and quote long sections of the writeup.
You point out the obvious, esp the spelling/grammar errors. You're quite wishy-washy as to whether we should read much into this or not.
You speculate on the second death in such a way that it almost sounds like you have a planned argument to make, to make it sound like you're a contributing townie.
"As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue."
After all that analysis, you have nothing, and you vote for someone with no reasoning behind it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2129620&postcount=334
Post 334-
You excuse yourself.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130472&postcount=370
Post 370-
Now it gets interesting. You are once again analyzing the writeup, and make a very interesting "discovery" that someone had basically ripped off a previous kill of yours from a previous game, if that is your allegation.
"Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description."
Once again, long analysis followed by a vote with no real reasoning behind it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2131685&postcount=443
Voting by gut instinct and very minimal reasoning.
Bottom line: Gaius scribonius curio, I find your playing style in this game to be an act without substance. Please explain yourself. Why all these hollow analyses that lead nowhere, and votes for no good reasoning? Why were you in the lead against Sasaki?
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-09-2009, 11:31
You're online at the moment, Gaius.
Would you be so kind as to sit tight and answer some questions for me? You're my top suspect.
Look I sorry but I really have to go, as I said before you posted. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions tomorrow afternoon my time. Outline your case, including the questions you want answers too and I shall attend to them. One by One if needs be.
I know this is inconvenient but one week out from finals my team needs me....
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:36
Look I sorry but I really have to go, as I said before you posted. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions tomorrow afternoon my time. Outline your case, including the questions you want answers too and I shall attend to them. One by One if needs be.
I know this is inconvenient but one week out from finals my team needs me....
Right.
I suppose I have to accept that explanation, although you must know I will not be online tomorrow to question you.
I have a worthless case against you, I know, but even this hasty departure from you does not sit right with me, big fella.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
02-09-2009, 11:37
Because people whine when I post long analysis/accusations:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127837&postcount=262
Post 262-
You restate things we already know, and quote long sections of the writeup.
You point out the obvious, esp the spelling/grammar errors. You're quite wishy-washy as to whether we should read much into this or not.
You speculate on the second death in such a way that it almost sounds like you have a planned argument to make, to make it sound like you're a contributing townie.
"As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue."
After all that analysis, you have nothing, and you vote for someone with no reasoning behind it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2129620&postcount=334
Post 334-
You excuse yourself.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130472&postcount=370
Post 370-
Now it gets interesting. You are once again analyzing the writeup, and make a very interesting "discovery" that someone had basically ripped off a previous kill of yours from a previous game, if that is your allegation.
"Basically a placeholder vote. I'm completely stumped at the moment, but it would appeal to his sense of irony to kill 'Khann the same round as stealing my kill description."
Once again, long analysis followed by a vote with no real reasoning behind it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2131685&postcount=443
Voting by gut instinct and very minimal reasoning.
Bottom line: Gaius scribonius curio, I find your playing style in this game to be an act without substance. Please explain yourself. Why all these hollow analyses that lead nowhere, and votes for no good reasoning? Why were you in the lead against Sasaki?
Gah!
Well you did as I asked. Look will be back tomorrow but for now...
Anyone who has played with me before knows that this particular 'playing style' is one that I always use. I like to speculate. The fact that my analyses lead 'nowhere' is down to the fact that it is speculation at this early stage. Would you prefer I said nothing? I'm sharing my speculations because I might trigger someone elses feelings/ thoughts in a similar vein, or I may not? I'm merely trying to help. And yes someone ripped off my kill description. I'm not happy about that. And define in the lead against Sasaki? I don't follow.
Now I'm really sorry but I have to go...
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:39
Your team here needs you as well. I don't suppose you would mind if we lynched you next round to make sure?
I know people have real lives, but real life excuses, fabricated or real, are often mafia dodges. If real life is that much of a drain on your time, then it follows that since this is just a silly online game, you wouldn't mind it too terribly much if we lynched you sooner rather than later?
edit;
And I know I haven't been here either at the right times, but I was here for 10 straight hours or more to be questioned. You seem like you're hiding.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:53
Anyone who has played with me before knows that this particular 'playing style' is one that I always use. I like to speculate.
As do I.
The fact that my analyses lead 'nowhere' is down to the fact that it is speculation at this early stage.
Yes. And I know I'm the wrong person to be making this observation, but your analysis seems automatic, prepared, and forced to me. It's just a feeling I am getting from your writing. There is an aura of "fertilizer" wafting from those posts.
Maybe you are just trying to help, but I feel you're acting out of sorts and I must question it.
Would you prefer I said nothing?
I'd prefer you said more. You had 7 posts at the time I was first accusing you, long winded posts that lead nowhere, excuses for not being here, no real attempts at discussion, but several of provoking discussion perhaps.
All these excuses don't sit well with me. I haven't even been HERE at the proper times to play this game, and I've contributed more than you have. I'm a bad example because I never shut up, but I don't buy that you have the best interests of the town at heart when you show up, post a big one, and skip out citing real life as a reason why you cannot be here to be questioned properly.
I'm sharing my speculations because I might trigger someone elses feelings/ thoughts in a similar vein, or I may not?
Yes, that much I understand. It's just something about the helpless, futile tone of your conclusions, and the utter RANDOMness of your voting, plus all your excuses which tells me something is awry.
I'm merely trying to help.
We would know that already, you are sounding too apologetic and defensive. You have no need to suggest you're trying to help, that's implied.
And yes someone ripped off my kill description. I'm not happy about that. And define in the lead against Sasaki? I don't follow.
You're not happy about it? Why?
That's too esoteric and vague a clue as to be a false implication that you're guilty from the mafia. In fact, if you had remained silent on the matter, I would have found it interesting if someone had come forward accusing you of being mafia on such odd evidence.
That evidence is seriously weird. It's far too vague to be an attempt at framing you, because anyone who comes forward with such evidence will be looked at as if they had three heads.
I think someone could be ripping off your kills, perhaps not trying to frame you, but it's VERY odd that they did that. And that you're talking about it. And your other behavior.
As for the Sasaki thing, you were one of the 3 people voting for him. Now this sudden change of vote... why? Are you trying to cover your tracks to hide the fact that you're one of the people responsible for his lynch, and if so, why?
Since you had nothing real to go on for White_Eyes, and you have no idea if Sasaki is innocent or not, why unvote and change your vote?
It's your prerogative to do so, but it seems random and irresponsible to me, and bad for town. Mafia tend to unvote more often than townies, because they have more reason to manipulate the tally than naive townies do.
Now I'm really sorry but I have to go...
And this piques my curiosity even further.
Why are you pressing all my scumtell buttons, Gaius Scribonius Curio? I wonder whose side you're really on here.
That said, there is no way town will lynch you this round, and I won't be here tomorrow to prosecute you, so I suppose you escape this day from my inquisition. Better for town if I were wrong about you. But consider what I have said about the oddities in your behavior, and whether or not these are objectively valid reasons to wonder what the heck you're up to.
If you're a townie, it's in everyone's best interest that you don't make smoke signals that suggest you're a mafioso. Do as you will, but know that I think you're a scumbag at this moment.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 11:57
And, because I think neither Sasaki or Lord Winter is more scummy than you, I have no preference as to which one of them dies.
I'm voting you in protest of your odd behavior.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 12:20
It's shlin28, not Shlin28 ~;)
Everybody makes mistakes... force of habit I capitalize people's nicknames at times.
However, shlin28 has been capitalizing the ends of his words, repeatedly. I was just wondering why.
Everybody makes mistakes... force of habit I capitalize people's nicknames at times.
However, shlin28 has been capitalizing the ends of his words, repeatedly. I was just wondering why.
I was merely amused with the irony of you doing what you "accused" shlin28 of, hence the smiley.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 12:33
I understand. It is an irony.
But I do feel that what I was doing is clearly a more honest mistake, and shlin28's actions do seem deliberate, don't they?
And yes, I'm asking you, and anyone else who is listening, what you think. And I'd like shlin28 to explain it so we don't waste more time talking about it.
White_eyes:D
02-09-2009, 12:36
Askthepizzaguy 42 36
777Ares777 31 28
GeneralHankerchief 31
Andres 23 22
TinCow 22 21
Sasaki Kojiro 21 19
187Beefyz 19 18
YLC 19 17
shlin28 16 15
Quintus.JC 14 13
Seamus Fermanagh 13 11
seireikhaan 13 11
CountArach 13
Reenk Roink 11 7
TevashSzat 10 9
LittleGrizzly 10 9
Chaotix27 8 7
White_eyes:D 8 7
Sigurd 8 4
boudica 7 6
glyphz 7 6
Rythmic 6 5
Gaius Scribonius Curio 6 5
Lord Winter 6 5
Jolt 6 5
Tratorix 5 4
Ichigo 3 2
taka 2 1
Ignoramus 2 1
That was the reason why I voted Lord Winter as Sasaki makes a good point...his post count is about the same as yours Gaius....:inquisitive:
Only taka and Ignoramus had the lowest post count....I am sorry Lord Winter.....but another "Lurker Victory" like in "Chicago Soiree" well break me.....:shame:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 12:38
So, I am not the only one who thinks GSC is acting strange? Good.
I hate being alone.
I think the ripped off kill is weird. The only reason I can think of that GSC would do that deliberately himself, would be to set up a WIFOM situation that kind of favours him with its unlikeliness!
Anyway, it is ALOT more tenuous than the idea that Beefyz was framed, but I find the vote change odd and as it looks like ATPG has got his jaw clamped and locked on to GSC now, it's probably almost worth lynching him tomorrow so you can move on to someone else :laugh4:
Sorry - one read through is not enough for anylsis from beyond the grave, but I'll follow with interest and try to do some helpful haunting later.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 12:43
I'm here, so I have to get my posts in when I'm available...
I would be happy to let go of GSC and not burn him at the stake if he could explain his actions in a way that makes sense to me. Although nothing he can say can fully "clear" him, he could at least help me to understand the bizarre-ness of his posting behavior, such that other people would be a higher priority target.
If he does not fully explain his odd behavior, I will fully lock on to him and pester him until he's dead or I am, and death isn't something that generally shuts me up.
I understand. It is an irony.
But I do feel that what I was doing is clearly a more honest mistake, and shlin28's actions do seem deliberate, don't they?
And yes, I'm asking you, and anyone else who is listening, what you think. And I'd like shlin28 to explain it so we don't waste more time talking about it.
Of course it is an honest mistake and I found it funny. It wasn't meant as an accusation or so. You're overreacting now.
Talking about lurker victories, Sigurd, who basically lurked himself to victory in Chicago Soirée, has only 8 posts too.
Unvote : Abstain
Vote : Sigurd
No more lurker victories :brood:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 12:48
I don't think I am. I was just continuing the conversation, Andres. Do you have an opinion on it or not?
I don't think I am. I was just continuing the conversation, Andres. Do you have an opinion on it or not?
An opinion on what? A few careless typos from shlin28?
Meh, I don't see anything unusual about him, apart from what seems to me higher activity compared with other games (don't quote me on that though, you're the statistics guy); could have to do with his CoP position which he seems to enjoy :shrug:
Not enough to put him on top of my suspects list.
White_eyes:D
02-09-2009, 12:50
So, I am not the only one who thinks GSC is acting strange? Good.
I hate being alone.
Well....I think Gaius is defending his Mafia/lurker buddy....both of there post counts are low....but I did make the same mistake before....I.E. accusing guys of helping each other=Mafia defending his bros...I wouldn't let it fly too far as it has not helped me in the past....:no:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 13:04
So, just keeping score:
Andres position on shlin28 is that his repeated end-letter capitalization is all just a coincidence, even though it looks deliberate from where I sit, and;
White_eyes isn't totally sure about GSC but does think he's acting scummy.
Good to keep notes on.
Im going to Vote Jolt for 2 reasons, one his low postcount in the game, two based on tincow's reasoning of the english as a second langauge or badly spoken first langauge...
FoS: LittleGrizzly
Vote: LittleGrizzly
1st reason: I am in exam season plus I don't have internet where I study. How do you want me to post?
2nd reason: ....What? I'm proud of writing and speaking better English than many American counter-parts.
a second langauge or badly spoken first langauge... (No offense intended, while I have been offended.)
My reasons for voting LittleGrizzly is that it is the second time he votes for me without any plausible reason whatsoever or anything like it. Last time that happened to me (Ephesus), one of my bandwagons was scummy.
Post count has exploded since I was last on. I don't have time to read the last 1.5 pages, but I read the Beefy bits, and he doesn't seem scummy to me. The only reason I voted for him in the first place was that he was one of several people who fit my profile. My profile is far from decent evidence, it was just an attempt to grasp at something firm in the first couple rounds. In addition, I didn't do any great analysis of his posting style when I chose him as my target, I just had a few people spring to mind immediately, and chose him after first doing a check on Ares' posts. This 'evidence' is not strong enough to lynch him given the innocent vibes he's giving off now.
Unvote: 187Beefyz
Vote: Abstain
I will try and re-allocate my vote to someplace useful in a few hours when I've got time to read the rest.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 13:34
FoS: LittleGrizzly
Vote: LittleGrizzly
1st reason: I am in exam season plus I don't have internet where I study. How do you want me to post?
2nd reason: ....What? I'm proud of writing and speaking better English than many American counter-parts. (No offense intended, while I have been offended.)
My reasons for voting LittleGrizzly is that it is the second time he votes for me without any plausible reason whatsoever or anything like it. Last time that happened to me (Ephesus), one of my bandwagons was scummy.
1st explanation makes sense, and 2nd comment; I haven't noticed Jolt writing in a way that makes me think he has difficulty with the language.
Whether it's legitimate or not, low post count for whatever reason is a valid reason to vote you, Jolt. At the same time, I personally don't see why you should be lynched sooner than others.
Bleh, I have already explained my internet problem.
I see a reason, which is that there is no reason whatsoever for me to get lynched.
About the legitimacy, it doesn't really matter. I could vote for anyone without any reason or legitimacy. I'm just pointing out that I haven't post because I couldn't. Not because didn't want to.
Then again, experience is already kicking in as to my game from Ephesus, since I was lynched for no reason, and one of my voters was mafia (I think it was boudica). I personally see that there is no reason why I should be lynched, but I must be being biased.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 14:21
No, I agree with you so far.
I haven't seen any reason why you're more scummy than others. Nothing has cleared you, mind you, but I see nothing condemning you, and the reasons put forward so far, lacking.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 14:54
I've re-examined the evidence on Lord Winter, and his writing style is... well, improper enough to fit the supposed profile of one of the murder writers, who may have had to pull from previous games in order to cover up his style.
Lord Winter is also a veteran, from the ancient era.
The ancient era, by the way, was that big long period of peace and quiet before Askthepizzaguy wandered into the gameroom.
As such, he meets the profile of someone who could fish out kill descriptions from previous mafia games (a strategy a newbie would not come up with, most likely) and someone who may have difficulty masking his writing.
I'll leave GSC alone for one round, and go for Lord Winter.
Unvote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Vote: Lord Winter
Sounds good to me. I wish i could vote now :D
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 14:58
Lord Winter: 4 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
187Beefyz: 1 - (Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 1 - (Andres)
LittleGrizzly: 1 - (Jolt)
Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka, Rythmic, TinCow, etc... (others?)
Please verify this one, helpful people.
I hate to be a capper voter, but I honestly don't see a better suspect among those who have votes, and GSC can wait.
No, I agree with you so far.
I haven't seen any reason why you're more scummy than others. Nothing has cleared you, mind you, but I see nothing condemning you, and the reasons put forward so far, lacking.
Exactly.
My thingy is with the voting for me on the grounds of an explained absence, is just wierd and since that has already happened, I get suspicious.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 15:08
And nevermind on the capitalization thing. On further reflection, CoP stands for Chief of Police.
Stupid, stupid pizzaguy. Nevermind shlin28... nevermind.
:wall:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 15:14
...and since that has already happened, I get suspicious.
I don't know.
For now, chalk it up to naive townies creating reasons for voting other naive townies. At this stage of the game, it's the townies making all the mistakes. As the townie pool gets smaller, the collective IQ of town increases, and the collective IQ of the mafia decreases.
Eventually, the mafia will be the ones making mistakes, and in the meantime we should forgive small errors and bad accusations. The mafia have little reason to incriminate themselves just yet. We leap on one another like a pack of cannibals and they sit back and laugh. Since we have no reason to trust one another, and we want to win the game, we're quick to accuse, and slow to forgive. Let it pass, my advice.
Instead, put forward your suggestion as to who is objectively the least helpful among us, or who among the supposedly helpful is actually subtly misleading us.
If I learned anything from Chicago, it's that townies with vendettas against one another make the mafia's job a lot easier. Not only will I never repeat that mistake, I urge you all to avoid it as well.
I have read through the rest in detail now. Musings on a few people who have been discussed:
Curio: If I were the Godfather, Curio would be very high on my list for grunt selection. He's a very good player, always contributes something worthwhile to the town, and yet never seems to become high profile. He's the kind of person who could avoid being investigated and lynched for a long time. However, I don't buy ATPG's accusations against him. The only one I saw that had any merits was him spotting the plagiarism of his own kill write-up. While this is a curious situation and poses WIFOM issues, it just doesn't seem right to me. I could see intentionally copying one's own work to make oneself look innocent, but I would have expected this 'copycat write-up' MO to start on turn 1 if it was planned in this manner, especially with an experienced player like Curio. The N2 plagiarism still seems like improv to me in reaction to fear of leaking further 'tells' into write-ups. Curio just doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would do that. He would plan it from the beginning. That said, there is another grunt out there, and the Godfather as well.
Jolt: Interesting situation. His vote on LG is exceptionally reactionary and it doesn't have any decent reasoning behind it. It was a pure retaliatory vote. More pressure on Jolt is probably warranted. I would like to request an opinion from people who know his playing style better than I. Would Jolt be so haphazard as to do a pure retaliatory vote as mafia, or would he be more tactical?
Lord Winter: Also interesting. Sasaki has probed him and he has reacted in a particularly tender fashion. He looks like a promising candidate this round, though I could simply be blinded by Sasaki's reasoning.
However, I don't think my vote is needed on Lord Winter. I will shift it there later if necessary to keep Sasaki alive, but for now that doesn't seem to be required. Instead, I will follow up on an exceptionally good point, made by Andres. With the increasingly verbose games we've had lately, lurking is becoming a very viable mafia tactic. I hate lurkers, because they give me nothing to work with. Sigurd would also be an excellent choice for a grunt. Thus, I will follow Andres' lead and push for more conversation from Sigurd.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Sigurd
I would also like to thank Sasaki for this:
One of the things we look for in mafia is posts that indicate that the suspicion is not genuine and arrived at by artificial means. Your posts indicated that you weren't genuinely suspicious of Seamus and you are admitting that now--you aren't voting for him or anyone on the reenk bandwagon today and are waiting "for something good to come up" instead of looking on your own. It's easy to see how a mafioso would come in on day one, try to find a reason to vote, make one up without thinking about it too hard, get called on it and back off, and then avoid accusing someone on day 2.
This is a very useful description of how to analyze in-thread behavior. I've felt a bit out of place when doing this and have not been very successful in the past. The above explanation of the theory behind it was something of an epiphany for me. Many thanks, Sasaki. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 15:37
Lord Winter: 4 - (Sasaki, White_eyes:D, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 - (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
Sigurd: 2 - (Andres, TinCow)
187Beefyz: 1 - (Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1 - (777Ares777)
Jolt: 1 - (LittleGrizzly)
LittleGrizzly: 1 - (Jolt)
Abstain: LW, Beefy, taka, Rythmic, etc... (others?)
Good Sasaki quote, TinCow. More of my blah, blah, blah-ing in spoilers, because I'm sure people are sick of hearing me talk.
I think you could be right about GSC... it may not quite fit the bill. I just saw a bunch of things I considered bad or strange play and/or scummy, and found him to be an excellent candidate for grunt. Plus he seems to be totally dodging being questioned or participating for more than 10 minutes at a time. I'd like a resolution to those points from him before I drop it.
Jolt: Can't say he's guilty or innocent, but I know that purely retaliatory votes are something I'd avoid as a mafioso. When townies make scummy-looking mistakes at this early stage of the game, you have to wonder how bone-headed a mafia would have to be to make those same mistakes, as it's likely they'd get lynched for such reasons in lieu of better arguments.
Lord Winter: I'm having second thoughts, but the low activity and veteran status combined with sort of a low-key play style and the spelling stuff means that if we just totally overlook him as a top suspect, we aren't doing a very thorough job.
I'd think that the mafia, as a team, however, would catch Lord Winter's writing style before it makes it to print... possibly, perhaps, not even choosing him as a grunt to begin with due to GH's lack of editing. All this is speculation.
And I don't think Sigurd should ever be allowed to lurk again. If not Lord Winter, go ahead and string him up.
I'd be willing to take my vote off of Lord Winter as well, but I don't know... Sigurd has been mafia a LOT lately... making him a grunt is a bad choice. Especially if he lurks. They must think we are total morons to pick Sigurd and have him lurk again. I have doubts it's Sigurd for like, what is it, 4th time in a row? That being said, he's not particularly helpful, and I refuse to lose to a lurker again.
The CoP returns!
My (very short) list of suspicious people:
1. Lord Winter - As stated before by others. Also, his excuses are not really that good. If he was online during Sasaki's inquisition, it would not take 20 minutes to make a reply - From what I gather he was active during those 20 minutes on the Org right?
2. YLC - He's just too suspicious for his own good.
Random stuff:
I find it interesting the mafia this time is killing off the mainly mid-range posters. Not lurkers, but not the too active people either. Maybe the mafia is still deciding on whether to go with the "Kill the people who talk too much" or "Kill the people who talk too little", or maybe they are just rather inexperienced...?
That's all for now :bow:
*A golden armoured giant robot standing nearby transforms into a platinum coated limousine, in the process also revealing a golden brick path leading from the CoP to the door of the limo. The CoP is carried by his silver armoured servants into the limo, which then flies off into the general direction of the CoP's Pleasure Palace of Pure Awsomeness.*
Edit: Lol at ATPG's mistake :laugh4:
Mafia would logically kill off the active, so bye bye me, ATPG, tincow and andres :juggle2: (unless one of us in mafia of course or becomes a massive suspect)
The GSC is intriging, hardly daming, but certainly something to keep caps on, Lord winter has been lurky in his other games so i wouldnt say he was mafia here, i would say other lurkers who are usually more active should be in the spotlight, such as Sigurd.
While i still stand by my vote for tincow I see it will go nowhere so I'll
unvote, vote: Sigurd
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2009, 19:00
Voting closed.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 19:03
"Hooray! I was useful!"
I wish I was in pizza heaven
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 19:20
Fear not. My new signature line will bring you there, my GLORIOUS friend.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2009, 19:41
Day 3
For some reason, this day seemed twice as long as usual, but most villagers chalked it up to the inverse of the "time flies when you're having fun" rule, as only the Chief of Police seemed to be enjoying the proceedings. Speaking of which, shlin28 denied any and all involvement in using his alleged godlike powers to extend the day, to which everyone groaned.
While everyone was voting, he was lording it around the Gameroom square on his beautiful white stallion, which everyone assumed that he would personally ride during the actual execution. Eventually, though, he dismounted and called "time" on the voting. After a couple of minutes of counting, he motioned over to his "Chief's Aide", still clad in her stunning black bikini.
"You," he said, "Fire my gun in the air a few times to get everybody's attention." She complied, handing the gun back to shlin afterwards. All eyes were on the Chief of Police.
"All right, people, it's time to kill somebody else! Lord Winter, come on dowwwwwwn!" He droned the last word out, making an enunciation similar to that of the announcer on the classic American game show "The Price is Right". The irony was not lost on a few Gameroom villagers, but Lord Winter was in no mood to appreciate it. He trudged up to four horses, grumbling.
"Well, we can't have any of that," shlin said, noting Lord Winter's grumbling. He took out a police baton and whacked Lord Winter over the head with it, sending him unconscious.
After a couple of minutes, all four of Lord Winter's limbs were attached to a separate horse. The Chief of Police and three volunteers from the crowd each mounted a horse (shlin, to nobody's surprise, took the beautiful white stallion). Looking at shlin for word of when to start, they took the reins.
"Three... two... one... GIDDYAP!!!"
There was a terrible popping sound. The crowd cheered. After listening to another boring speech from shlin about how he hoped everyone had did their duty and that there would be no more murders, everyone went home for the night.
Day 3 tally:
Lord Winter: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, YLC, Askthepizzaguy) :skull:
Sigurd: 3 (Andres, TinCow, 777Ares777)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Reenk Roink, TevashSzat)
187Beefyz: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Jolt: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Jolt)
Abstained: 7 (shlin28, Lord Winter, 187Beefyz, Chaotix27, taka, Rythmic, Quintus.JC)
Didn't vote: 3 (Sigurd, glyphz, Ignoramus)
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (22)
shlin28
YLC
777Ares777
Andres
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Rythmic
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
glyphz
187Beefyz
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
Jolt
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let's chalk up this round's massive "abstain" count to the weekend. However, if it happens again, I will have no choice but to remove it as an option, meaning, if you abstain, you don't vote. If you don't vote, you get Wogged. Just keep that in mind. :smash:
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 20:05
I suppose you aren't thinking of selecting someone with pizza-ish tendencies for the delightful and cheesy task of burning the WOGbait players at the stake... after which, with only a plastic picnic spoon and a large drum of barbecue sauce, I will feed everyone here a meal they will not soon forget?
And yes, I think that was a question. I always liked the idea of inquisitions, heretic burnings, and tossing the witches into the lakes and rivers and streams. If I were Chief of Police, I'd build a hydroelectric dam out of discarded witch bodies. There's just something delightfully macabre about groupthink from the dark ages leading to mob justice. Mmmm... toasty and painful.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2009, 20:13
I suppose you aren't thinking of selecting someone with pizza-ish tendencies for the delightful and cheesy task of burning the WOGbait players at the stake... after which, with only a plastic picnic spoon and a large drum of barbecue sauce, I will feed everyone here a meal they will not soon forget?
And yes, I think that was a question. I always liked the idea of inquisitions, heretic burnings, and tossing the witches into the lakes and rivers and streams. If I were Chief of Police, I'd build a hydroelectric dam out of discarded witch bodies. There's just something delightfully macabre about groupthink from the dark ages leading to mob justice. Mmmm... toasty and painful.
Sometimes I question your sanity.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2009, 20:25
What exactly are you doing the rest of the time?
:inquisitive:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-09-2009, 22:03
What exactly are you doing the rest of the time?
:inquisitive:
His ongoing re-design of Osaka Castle to incorporate the best Western siege features without ruining the overal aesthetic.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2009, 22:10
His ongoing re-design of Osaka Castle to incorporate the best Western siege features without ruining the overal aesthetic.
:laugh4:
Hm... I should really make a habit of Abstaining after posts that I make during the day phase that are not votes. As it is, I am 5 hours too late, but I likely would not have voted decisively anyway.
Honestly, the first person who comes to mind while considering the "lifting" of a write-up is seireikhaan. Mostly because he's a sneaky :daisy:. (I mean this in a good way :laugh4:)
Unfortunately, he's dead.
And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.
My third guess would be Reenk, based on his previous use of already-established material in his Watcher posts of Fillet Royale.
It does not seem to me that Gaius would have lifted his own write-up and then pointed it out afterwards as a clue. If he had done that, it probably would have been Night 1, as well. And even then- as he's said, Gaius only has 3 or 4 more write-ups to choose from. If he kept using them, he'd run out eventually and have to start writing them from scratch, at which point we would probably notice that the new write-ups are shockingly similar to the old ones in style.
Beefy187
02-10-2009, 00:50
That lynching reminds me.. How Lord Winter whined about him being lynched in almost all the revolutionary games just for him being called the "Lord"
I guess we'll find out if you were guilty or not...
EDIT: Shlins starting to scare me... Can't lynching be more peaceful like feeding him 100 icecreams and making him fat or something?:smash:
LittleGrizzly
02-10-2009, 00:55
FoS: LittleGrizzly
Vote: LittleGrizzly
1st reason: I am in exam season plus I don't have internet where I study. How do you want me to post?
2nd reason: ....What? I'm proud of writing and speaking better English than many American counter-parts. (No offense intended, while I have been offended.)
My reasons for voting LittleGrizzly is that it is the second time he votes for me without any plausible reason whatsoever or anything like it. Last time that happened to me (Ephesus), one of my bandwagons was scummy.
No offence taken, like i said not long after tincow analysed the kills 'i murder english'. I would say your english is better than mine but not perfect, no offence is meant...
1st reason, mafia can use this excuse as easily as genuine people...
2nd reason, yes you can speak it better than some americans im sure (and even this english person) but your english is good but not perfect... similar to the write up...
Retalitory voting is a scummy move, i had my reasons listed above, the main suspects weren't appealing to me so i looked for a better suspect, i had a feeling earlier on in the game (but posted in the wrong thread...) and i decided without anything better to go on that i should vote for you.
Im sure everyone has been voted for by scum at one point or another, that does not mean that people voting for you are always scummy....
FoS: Jolt
and not for retalitory reasons...
Edit: i think the executions should be stepped up a gear, lets put some huge headphones on thier head blasting out barbie girl, slowly turn up the volume until... *pop*
Askthepizzaguy
02-10-2009, 01:55
And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.
Yeah, I would be capable of something like that, yes. I often lurk in dead threads collecting information. However, I prefer to be creative and bold with my strategies, not cowardly or ripping people off to mask my writing style. I can easily speak as though I have difficulty spelling, and I can write in a British style which would mask my Yankee origins. That being said, I am not the mafia in this game. I could easily have left several hours ago to avoid being questioned, like certain suspects of mine have.
Your suspicion of me seems genuine, not forced. As such;
Halo of Innocence: Chaotix27
I don't mind being made a suspect for what appears to be legitimate reasoning. But rest assured, a weak case against me always shows up on my scum detection, falsely or not.
I don't buy that Gaius is in any way cleared of my suspicions because of the unlikeliness or irrationality behind using his own murder writeups. As a mafia, sometimes I go out of my way to do something that doesn't necessarily follow from pure logic, because that makes the motivations difficult to detect. To me, unless Gaius' behavior in-thread improves from speculation without conclusion, multiple reasonless votes, and skipping out on questioning, he's very much a suspect to me. And a creative mafia would definitley do something that doesn't make sense on the surface, and it does not necessarily follow that just because it didn't happen night one that it still couldn't be his strategy.
Mafia will try to throw you off by doing the unexpected and the irrational, if they are any good at it. And regardless of whether it might fit GSC's personal play style, a mafia veteran is likely among the 3 scums who could formulate a deceptively bizarre strategy to throw us off.
Besides, if I were mafia, would I do this???
"Hey, whassa matta, you look-a so hungry, maybe Don Pizzaguy will bake you a hot and fresh-a pizza to make you feel better after the death of your-a friends. Excuse me while-a I wash-a my bloody hands-a."
Then again, I might do that. However, if you're going to lynch me for silly reasons, I'd prefer you do it sooner rather than later. Gives you more time to regroup and look for other suspects when you're wrong. And it's dumb strategy for me to self-incriminate myself with no heat on me, so soon, and in such a big game. Better would be for the mafia to kill me, which would seemingly clear me of suspicion, and then I can be an evil manipulative zombie.
Oh please mister mafia, kill me. Pretty please? I am begging you to end my life. I did nasty things to your daughter in front of her catholic priest, so you need to defend your honor and kill me, you spineless cowards! You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with your silenced weapons, maybe that's why you do these silly pranks with water and knives.
Besides, you scumbags don't have the cojones to kill me.
Unnecessary WIFOM self-incrimination complete, preparing to be lynched. :no:
Have-a some pizza.
LittleGrizzly
02-10-2009, 02:30
Cranium Of Insanity ATPG!
Askthepizzaguy
02-10-2009, 02:35
I may look insane, but it's a calculated move. An absurdly bad calculation if I were mafia. Occam's razor, people. I know how to be inconspicuous, and getting myself lynched isn't part of that idea.
I suggest the mafia kill Ituralde. He's been ever so quiet, I wonder why... :rolleyes:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2009, 02:42
I suggest the mafia kill Myrddraal :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2009, 02:43
I know how to be inconspicuous
No you don't. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
02-10-2009, 02:48
No you don't. :laugh4:
I'll have you know that after a recent mafia victory, I am 3 wins for 3 games as a scumbag, with another one at TWC basically in the bag. 4/4 very shortly.
Never underestimate the power of being a big loudmouth to mask your TERRIBLE GUILT!!!!
Who, me? You'd better lynch me just to be sure.
And I wouldn't gamble the entire game away to satisfy my ego. I have reason to want to keep the streak alive, I'm not going to end it here by being dumb. If you lynch me, I will laugh at you, and then try to nail the mafia myself post-mortem.
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