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LittleGrizzly
03-21-2009, 02:24
Alternatively they could have figured it out from the pm's like WE's claimed ?
Edit
This post was begun before tincows it was directed at leak in ATPG group that people were saying about...
Could it be a vigilante killer ?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-21-2009, 02:27
Sasaki, Pizza, and myself were certainly aware. I will check things out a bit.....
EDIT:
And congrats to herr Reenk on the 1k mark!
Alternatively they could have figured it out from the pm's like WE's claimed ?
Edit
This post was begun before tincows it was directed at leak in ATPG group that people were saying about...
Could it be a vigilante killer ?
Unless the sorcerer immediatly turned from a Mafioso into a town-loving Vigilante, I doubt it was a kill intended to spare the town a day's worth of lynch.
EDIT: So far, it seems the sorcerer day in and day out kills someone directly related with the network's knowledge. First it was beefy which was known by the Network trio (Not sure if Sasaki did know it though), now its FH.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 02:35
Only Seamus and only Sasaki were privy to that information, unless FH revealed to someone else.
Also, from the previous role blockings, we DO know for certain that Yoyoma is not the sorcerer. I don't think its worth lynching Yoyoma just yet.
And why didn't the roleblocker block someone?
White_eyes:D
03-21-2009, 02:57
GH....anymore suspects????:juggle2: and Yoyoma is not guilty....or innocent...I see no reason why he would not be the neutral killer who killed Sasaki...:smash:
GH....anymore suspects????:juggle2: and Yoyoma is not guilty....or innocent...I see no reason why he would not be the neutral killer who killed Sasaki...:smash:
That may be, the fact is that we don't know. I'd rather lynch some lurker who aren't getting any attention and if we continue going at it, they'll reach the end of the game before any of us (Most of the active people here have made suspicious commentaries or have been suspected by someone, while people like Ichigo, taka or Sigurd sail safe winds without opening their mouths. The fact that they pass round after round without uttering one word (Helpful or otherwise) so we know whether they can be suspicious or not, is troubling.
Vote: Sigurd
LittleGrizzly
03-21-2009, 03:13
Unless someone's knows something useful or has a good suspect im happy to go with lynching a lurker...
Captain Blackadder
03-21-2009, 03:16
So was FH the one who killed Saskai? If so that means we are down to what looks like one night kill which is good and now we can focus on the lurkers does anyone have any preference on which one goes first.
As far as I'm aware we don't know who killed Sasaki. FH was a thief with investigative abilities, but he didn't kill anyone (I think). I voted for Sigurd since his inactiveness is very unusual.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-21-2009, 03:41
I believe Sigurd is extremely busy with work.
Lord Winter...boudica...taka, these are people I would be concerned about over sigurd. Dropping to one kill a night should be a huge help.
FH is not Pisuf and Pisuf Killed Sasaki. FH's abilities were revealed to the townie network I believe. The only person he could kill was The Watcher, one of the Bronze Companions.
I believe Sigurd is extremely busy with work.
Lord Winter...boudica...taka, these are people I would be concerned about over sigurd. Dropping to one kill a night should be a huge help.
Hm. I see. No reason to suspect him then, I suppose.
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: taka
Also extremely inactive.
Captain Blackadder
03-21-2009, 04:07
VOTE ICHIGO
3 posts for the entire game now that is just poor.
I believe Sigurd is extremely busy with work.
I can confirm that Sigurd does indeed have legitimate time issues due to RL work. Given his history, I would not consider him 'cleared' in any way, but I don't think his activity level should be used to judge him.
didnt he use some kinda excuse like that in chicago and won his way thru to the end with no suspicions?
GeneralHankerchief
03-21-2009, 04:31
If he's lying, this is an across-the-board lie that will damage his reputation forever. I now count four separate mods vouching for him, plus it being stated in the Sasaki thread. If Sigurd wants to win like this, let him.
LittleGrizzly
03-21-2009, 04:31
I think your thinking of Seamus...
If were going for the lynch the lurker strategy who better than Ichigo ?
Vote Ichigo
o yea, :sweatdrop: i think it was seamus, not sigurd
White_eyes:D
03-21-2009, 04:36
Vote:Ichigo......it would help if he posted more.....:brood:
Seamus Fermanagh
03-21-2009, 05:10
Ichigo is as good a "placeholder" as any (he's gotten lynched for lurking and wogged before, but does not whine about it :bow:). taka my friend, stay active -- THAT was the point of my efforts first and foremost. Sigurd is busy in RL. He said he'd be active every week but only for brief periods during the day -- so it's fairer to eval qual rather than quant with him.
Vote: Ichigo
This may well change as evidence materializes.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 06:37
I think it was the Cow made out of some kind of shiny metal.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 06:54
No wait.... I retract my accusation.
Seems I am not reading things clearly. :bow:
_Tristan_
03-21-2009, 12:02
Vote : Ichigo
Bandwagon, all on board...
CountArach
03-21-2009, 12:18
I think we can remove the idea that Yoyoma is Pisuf because there was no kill tonight and Yoyoma was not blocked. Unless of course I'm missing something.
I'm not sure about lynching Ichigo. Lynching a lurker seems like such a waste at this point in the game.
Vote: Jolt
This statement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2180358&postcount=826) struck me as odd when it was posted. I can't find much that is off about Jolt throughout the rest of the Andres situation, but the edit here seems wrong. Jolt is a Good Man and he should therefore be one of the least tolerant to the idea of keeping Andres around. This post in its totality strikes me as a good way to blend in with the Andres vote, while still trying to get him off the hook.
How dare the burglar murder the fine men of our society?
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Andres
Off with his head! Though your offer seems interesting Andres (As the townies would gain a killer), the fact that I am myself a Good Men in risk of being murdered by yourself forces me to not care what the plebs think. You will be lynched whether the plebs wish for your help or not. Furthermore, what's to stop the Mafia from killing you if you survived? It would actually be a good way to waste a Mafia kill, but I don't think (At least myself) is worth the risk.
EDIT: Actually, since we have still a handful of Good Man, phreaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to accept his offer. If any of us good men die by his hand then he is dead. If Good Men dwindle through lynching and killing to one, we insta-lynch Andres.
This is ridiculous. Wait, can't Good Men -actually consider his offer?- According to you, we have to instantly reject his deal and never speak of it again? Pah-leeze. I originally thought as any Good Men would that he was too much a risk for town, but after thinking it straight, it might not have been a bad idea to let him live. Since he had revealed he was bound to die sooner or later, so why not make use of him? And the idea of trying to get him off the hook is pretty laughable. In case you didn't notice, I certainly wasn't pushing for his "release" of any sort. He had confessed, and he proposed a deal. I didn't do anything else but to analyze what he had proposed for a second time. Extrapolating into trying to get Andres to come out free is quite far-fetched IMO.
I just checked, and Ichigo hasn't posted in this game since the very first day phase, a full week ago. As I am a moderator and can see through invisibility, I try not to look at the profiles of people while I am in a mafia game with them. Can someone do me a favor and check Ichigo's profile to see when he was last online?
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 22:45
His last post on the Org. was on 3-13
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2173330#post2173330
He seems to be invisible, so this was all I could find. As such, he should be WOG'ed, not lynched.
And that is why I don't check profiles. Since he hasn't posted anywhere on the Org in a week, I would say his inactivity in this game is likely because he simply hasn't been online. That would similarly prevent him from submitting night orders. If you're going to vote for a lurker, I recommend looking at someone who actually has been around, but just hasn't contributed here.
For the record, Reenk's intro post says that no one is going to be WOGed in this game.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 22:55
I'd don't quite buy that argument, TinCow. I think that makes Ichigo a MUST lynch. If he won't be WOG'ed for inactivity, then the entire game setup could be such that Reenk Roink wanted to make Ichigo the sorcerer, and allow him to total lurk his way through the game to victory.
We don't have a better suspect, and since he's not being helpful, we need to get rid of him now.
seireikhaan
03-21-2009, 22:59
I shall Vote: TinCow, for his odd first round
For the extent of this game I will hound
Until you have been lynched.
And a town win is clinched
Methinks in TinCow, a scum hath been found.
My point is that Ichigo has probably not been online during a period in which the sorcerer and Pisuf have both killed. That would make it impossible for Ichigo to be the sorcerer or Pisuf. Thus, any role Ichigo had would be one that has not killed anyone the entire game.
This is a lazy lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 23:02
I've sent in murders via email before. This is not proof of Ichigo's innocence. In fact, I'd say this could fit Ichigo's MO, and Reenk made the game play right into his hands.
I don't think this is a lazy lynch, I think it is one of thoroughness and exhaustiveness and if we lynch someone besides Ichigo, we could be lynching someone more useful, and we stand to lose nothing with Ichigo's death.
I shall Vote: TinCow, for his odd first round
For the extent of this game I will hound
Until you have been lynched.
And a town win is clinched
Methinks in TinCow, a scum hath been found.
An apology for Ares you will not get,
For a planted stone was a decent bet.
Hound me if you must for the rest of the game,
For being the only one to use his brain.
The town, it appears, is its own greatest threat.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 23:10
He confessed he was a serial killer!
Planted stone, my dead rotting butt.
Kudos on your impeccable hindsight.
Kudos on your impeccable hindsight.
:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2009, 23:22
All I am saying is that the planted stone is no longer valid reasoning, and no one (ok besides perhaps Seireikhaan) is really hanging you for it. I didn't realize you were suggesting that's why people suspect you.
That's not what I was saying. I'll drop it because we are obviously mis-communicating and its frustrating me, as I am sure it is you.
seireikhaan
03-21-2009, 23:22
An apology for Ares you will not get,
For a planted stone was a decent bet.
Hound me if you must for the rest of the game,
For being the only one to use his brain.
The town, it appears, is its own greatest threat.
Dear, there is no reason for such disdain.
The town has been forced to endure much pain
It is your strong defense
The tone made nary sense.
And it hurt to hear you attack my brain.
Dear, there is no reason for such disdain.
The town has been forced to endure much pain
It is your strong defense
The tone made nary sense.
And it hurt to hear you attack my brain.
The pain you suffered from my latest taunt
Was not intended to make you gaunt.
To those ends I surely would
Have made a note about how good
Are the 'attributes' of your shapely aunt.
The first time I ever see an argument over poems. >_>
Sasaki Kojiro
03-21-2009, 23:39
Ichigo is online now ~:handball:
Moderator privilege, eh, I can't help what I see in the "online members" list...
in any case I don't have sympathy for someone who just doesn't post all game...
seireikhaan
03-21-2009, 23:41
The pain you suffered from my latest taunt
Was not intended to make you gaunt.
To those ends I surely would
Have made a note about how good
Are the 'attributes' of your shapely aunt.
With little choice left, I Challenge: TinCow.
Leaving you alive I cannot allow.
With my honor now tarred
You must at least be scarred.
When its finished, before me you shall bow
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 00:13
Roles were chosen at random.
Also voting extended until Sunday, March 22, 16:00 Eastern.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 00:15
I just distrust anyone who can post and chooses not to. :shrug:
White_eyes:D
03-22-2009, 00:19
*pulls out popcorn*....a duel and a lurker lynched.....nice:smash:
i just realised that i didnt vote
just to save me from thinking
Vote: Ichigo
might as well
With little choice left, I Challenge: TinCow.
Leaving you alive I cannot allow.
With my honor now tarred
You must at least be scarred.
When its finished, before me you shall bow
The option to challenge is not yours alone
Fortunately for you, since your butt I would own.
Therefore I must decline your offer to fight
For the corpse of a poet is not a delight.
I Reject: seireikhaan in the Thunderdome.
(It's close enough!)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 00:57
hmm, since TinCow is claiming such a high duel score, perhaps we should have him challange a lurker. Better yet would be to have two lurkers challange each other. Maybe Lord Winter and CountArach? Would be good to eliminate some of these lurkers through duel rather than lynch.
the problem with that is that you need th lukers to be online for them to challenge each other.... :sweatdrop:
hmm, since TinCow is claiming such a high duel score, perhaps we should have him challange a lurker. Better yet would be to have two lurkers challange each other. Maybe Lord Winter and CountArach? Would be good to eliminate some of these lurkers through duel rather than lynch.
I am not claiming any duel score, I'm simply talking smack.
seireikhaan
03-22-2009, 01:26
The option to challenge is not yours alone
Fortunately for you, since your butt I would own.
Therefore I must decline your offer to fight
For the corpse of a poet is not a delight.
I Reject: seireikhaan in the Thunderdome.
Oh no, fear not, for the Gods are with me.
Last night, the Gods issued forth a decree
They reached out their blessed hand
And made me yet more grand
So if you have honor left, do not flee!
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 01:33
You can beat me up, Seireikhaan. I might be dead, but I'll fight you! :laugh2:
If TinCow is the sorcerer, I bet if he duels he'll have to use spells, which will give out his role, something he surely doesn't want it to happen. I will post something here soon enough concerning TinCow, as soon as I talk to a certain person.
Is this person named AsktheSeamaki?
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 02:02
I had nothing to do with it this time. I wash my hands.
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 02:12
I am not claiming any duel score, I'm simply talking smack.
:laugh4:
Thank you all for making reading the copious posts in this game worthwhile. :bow:
seireikhaan
03-22-2009, 02:55
TinCow clearly values his life too much,
Any townsperson would not do as such
He should not hide from me
And show us what he be
Come, let's see who fights the best in the clutch.
Is this person named AsktheSeamaki?
Edit: bleh.
White_eyes:D
03-22-2009, 03:13
Unvote:Ichigo Vote:TinCow I am with Khaan on this one....TinCow is acting weird:inquisitive:....and since I feel lynching a guy with three posts for this entire game is kinda sad....I will not help:no:
FactionHeir
03-22-2009, 03:14
Its kinda sad that there is a challenge function but no one so far has accepted any challenge. The conditional acceptance seems to spoil the fun of it..
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 03:18
I feel that white_eyes is a little to wild in his voting.
I'll call TinCow out to explain himself tomorrow, as I'm very sleepy and must go to sleep. (2:30 AM here)
Seamus Fermanagh
03-22-2009, 04:13
A posting scan on Tincow:
72 of 1064 here, for 2.67ppp
127 of 2224 in G3 (townie), for 2.27ppp ended up lynched
110 of 1105 in Eph (townie), for 3.93ppp ended up lynched
45 of 823 in Chi (townie), for 2.14ppp ended up lynched
88 of 153 in Mid2 (jotun), for 2.25ppp won
80 of 1187 in M8 (townie), for 2.67 ended up lynched
If anything this reveals a slight trend to decrease posting a bit when mafia -- but Tincow's overall rate is pretty similar across the board.
Voting wise, he voted for Ares D2 (after voting for FH), voted for Pizza D3, Andres on D4, and is voting for Jolt now.
This voting pattern is inconclusive as well.
EDIT: Hey, I got the Battle of Hastings post!
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 04:13
I think that TinCow can be given one round of benefit of the doubt, while Ichigo still hasn't participated. I think he deserves less.
Yoyoma1910
03-22-2009, 05:56
Heh? What's with all these rhymes!
Don't you little whippersnappers know:
Poetry
Which Rhymes
Is for those
That need
Crutches.
Yoyoma1910
03-22-2009, 06:29
Vote:Ichigo
How dare this... man feel that he is too good to post in this thread.
CountArach
03-22-2009, 07:58
hmm, since TinCow is claiming such a high duel score, perhaps we should have him challange a lurker. Better yet would be to have two lurkers challange each other. Maybe Lord Winter and CountArach? Would be good to eliminate some of these lurkers through duel rather than lynch.
I'm not lurking because that implies I'm able to post. I was drunk thursday night and friday night and I worked 8am-5pm on Saturday and Sunday. I just got back from that shift and I'm incredibly tired. I'll try to get something up then.
_Tristan_
03-22-2009, 11:53
Vote : Tincow
I felt something scummy about him all along and already ALMOST voted for him, so here goes one more time, hoping this does the trick..
Weekend was crazy. :bow:
Vote: abstain
FactionHeir
03-22-2009, 12:58
Seamus, if we don't take into account the pre-day 1 posts and posts made after game conclusion, what would those numbers be?
Anyways, as everyone by now knows, FactionHeir was an investigator which was killed by the Mafia last night. Now, in the night he was killed, he investigated TinCow and according to his investigation results, it seems that TinCow has many books and odd contraptions in his tent, which may or may not be related to sorcery or alchemism. If so, then TinCow might just be our friendly neighbour Sorcerer. I must underline that FactionHeir can't quote the result PMs since he's dead.
TinCow's taste for books or contraptions might be added his odd behaviour which some townies have been noticing, ranging from his staunch defence of Ares (A confessed Serial Killer of Vode) to rejecting the duel of sereikhaan, which could give out his role. Now I have come forward in private for him to explain himself if he could, but he would want non of it, and has "allowed" me to put forth this evidence for public discussion. I hope that since this information is now public, TinCow can explain himself so we can see if he is the sorcerer or not. TinCow, you have the floor.
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 17:11
Its kinda sad that there is a challenge function but no one so far has accepted any challenge. The conditional acceptance seems to spoil the fun of it..
Yeah, I'll work on this should I host again...
Seamus Fermanagh
03-22-2009, 17:28
Seamus, if we don't take into account the pre-day 1 posts and posts made after game conclusion, what would those numbers be?
I have not really gone to the trouble of calculating things that way, assuming that the pre/post phases are more or less a wash as they tend to be fairly similar from game to game.
This pre phase was a bit longer than usual, however, at about 150 posts.
Just checked. Reenk opened play at post 162. Tincow had 8 posts during the 161-post prequel phase. That would give hime 64 of 903 or a rate of 2.78ppp. Please note, I have NOT done a baseline comparison with other games. The only thing unusual of note was that his posts jumped on the 12th before play began. Excited by contents of his PM? Just having lots of fun with the Marxist debate at the time?
Jolt:
Word has already spread pretty broadly about those detective results -- though no one has a full quote for the rules reasons you mention. Unfortunately, while they almost certainly confirm that Tincow has a role -- possibly a major role -- they bring us no closer to knowing the role intent. Sasaki's observations about Tincow's changed style (we've seen that frequency is pretty constant) very much support the idea that Tincow is a major role. But for whose side?
We've already seen that Reenk has things nicely twisted for us to unravel, so it's making some of us reticent to just jump up and target him.
This is not to say that your implications are off-base. You may well be dead on target. I'm still cogitating it.
White_eyes:D
03-22-2009, 17:48
I feel that white_eyes is a little to wild in his voting.
It's what I do, when I am townie....:grin2:
ATPG and alot of others can confirm this......but I could also by mafia trying to hide behind it...WIFOM:shrug:
Anyways, as everyone by now knows, FactionHeir was an investigator which was killed by the Mafia last night. Now, in the night he was killed, he investigated TinCow and according to his investigation results, it seems that TinCow has many books and odd contraptions in his tent, which may or may not be related to sorcery or alchemism. If so, then TinCow might just be our friendly neighbour Sorcerer. I must underline that FactionHeir can't quote the result PMs since he's dead.
TinCow's taste for books or contraptions might be added his odd behaviour which some townies have been noticing, ranging from his staunch defence of Ares (A confessed Serial Killer of Vode) to rejecting the duel of sereikhaan, which could give out his role. Now I have come forward in private for him to explain himself if he could, but he would want non of it, and has "allowed" me to put forth this evidence for public discussion. I hope that since this information is now public, TinCow can explain himself so we can see if he is the sorcerer or not. TinCow, you have the floor.
An investigation result? On moi? Why would anyone investigate someone who is as clearly innocent as I am? Hmmm... I seem to have misplaced my own role PM somewhere and cannot seem to recall my own identity. Not surprising, as too much poetry rots the brain. Surely a proper investigation result from a detective would indicate whether I was guilty or innocent. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to whether I am good or evil by informing us all whether that investigation result said I was guilty or innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 18:45
Now that, right there, is reason enough to chuckle and leave TinCow alive for one round.
:applause:
But we should lynch him eventually. Probably soon.
An investigation result? On moi? Why would anyone investigate someone who is as clearly innocent as I am? Hmmm... I seem to have misplaced my own role PM somewhere and cannot seem to recall my own identity. Not surprising, as too much poetry rots the brain. Surely a proper investigation result from a detective would indicate whether I was guilty or innocent. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to whether I am good or evil by informing us all whether that investigation result said I was guilty or innocent.
I can't because I don't know since I haven't seen the Investigation results. FH, which has the investigation results, however seems to think you might be the sorcerer. And since he can't quote the results of his investigation, I'll just have to take his word for granted. If there is any other Pro-town investigator, then maybe he can investigate you. Since you can't explain yourself, I'll have to deduce you have something to hide. As such, the benefit of the doubt I gave you when you defended Ares is now expired.
Unvote: taka
Vote: TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 19:03
tincow: 7 (white_eyes, tristan(2), jolt(2),khaan(2))
Ichigo: 7 (yoyoma(2),seamus,taka,captain blackadder(2), littleGrizz)
jolt: 1 (tincow)
I believe this is correct...anyway, having seen the "investigation result" on TinCow (if you read FH's role he isn't a detective) it leads one to the conclusion that he is not the sorcerer. I don't believe he should be lynched.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 19:06
I'm undecided. It's not a full investigation, for sure, but it has vital info. Since he's been exposed, I think we can afford to leave him alive and dispose of Ichigo. Then we challenge him next round.
But, I'm dead, and I'm also the fool behind the pro-town network which cannot keep secrets, even though this time, it wasn't my fault. And since I am a fool, ignore me.
:wall:
I can't because I don't know since I haven't seen the Investigation results. FH, which has the investigation results, however seems to think you might be the sorcerer. And since he can't quote the results of his investigation, I'll just have to take his word for granted. If there is any other Pro-town investigator, then maybe he can investigate you. Since you can't explain yourself, I'll have to deduce you have something to hide. As such, the benefit of the doubt I gave you when you defended Ares is now expired.
A point of order, good sir. It is not that I am incapable of explaining myself, it is simply that I do not have such a desire. It is as the great Marcus Tullius Cicero once said, "As fire when thrown into water is cooled down and put out, so also a false accusation when brought against a man of the purest and holiest character, boils over and is at once dissipated, and vanishes and threats of heaven and sea, himself standing unmoved."
A point of order, good sir. It is not that I am incapable of explaining myself, it is simply that I do not have such a desire.
Exactly so.
While I have no qualms letting TinCow live another round, I see him he is much more suspicious than Ichigo.
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 20:51
Just to tell you, I'm not a stickler for the voting rules like some other hosts. When I read through the thread, if I see you made a vote basically explicit, despite it not being bolded or unvoted propery, I will count it. Day ends in 10 minutes.
Unvote: Jolt
Vote: Ichigo
Sorry, old man, but my head is prettier than yours!
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 21:01
Damn, lol, that's what I call cutting it close.
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 21:04
TinCow's vote counts :laugh4: (it was mentioned in the gameplay section of the first post)
Voting ended, stand by.
Fear not, good citizens of the Settlement! Who amongst us would better know whether I should live or die but me? No one, says I! Indeed, I have lived with myself nearly my entire life! I've known myself from the day I was born! Why, I know every single one of my own deep, dark secrets... well, except for that one time when I woke up in a ditch with a dead donkey next to me and an empty bottle of grog. I can't exactly remember what happened there, but I'm pretty sure I'm innocent of any malfeasance that may or may not have been committed! Regardless, I am certainly the best judge of mine own character, and I therefore pronounce myself innocent!
Hooray, we're saved!
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 21:33
This kind of stuff is precisely why I want him alive. Interesting slash ballsy play always gets the nod from me. Except when Reenk does it. Then it's just plain evil.
:clown:
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 21:43
:stupido: Day 4
The day was filled with lively discussion about the man named Ichigo and most everyone except for the somewhat quiet fellow Ichigo participated. One man with the monkier Tin Cow who had been especially notable in spreading his enlightened ideas of how the settlement should be run earned the ire of many of the settlers and began garnering much support for his execution.
As the deadline approached, there was a tie, and Tin Cow realizing that he would be at the mercy of the decision of the priest king, preferred the certainty of being second and cast his vote for Ichigo at the moment Reenk Roink opened the door to carry out the execution.
Feeling safe, he again began to pontificate his virtues and how he was the one who would lead the charge against the usurper plot and later lead the settlers to an enlightened life.
As the priest king called for the damned, the Bronze Companions went to fetch Ichigo who was not present in the discussions. However, suddenly a man yelled: "Stop! Someone has changed the tally!"
Reenk Roink and his settlers went to the large clay tablet where the votes and challenges were stored and indeed saw one extra tally in favor of Tin Cow and one tally removed from Ichigo.
Reenk Roink addressed his subjects: "Obviously someone has tampered with the tally tablet, but we know that it is Ichigo that is to be executed, so bring me-"
A man interrupted: "We cannot do this priest king. We agreed in our charter that the man who had the most votes according to the tally tablet would be executed. It was... a preventative measure against your tyranny. The charter has spoken, we must execute Tin Cow!"
Reenk Roink buried his face into his palms in disbelief. After some moments and some muttering, he finally looked up and hastily said: "Bring me Tin Cow and let us get this over with."
Tin Cow had by this time resigned himself to the unfairness of this irrational and superstitious society. He began to pontificate to the priest king about how to be a wise ruler and so on.
Reenk Roink was getting annoyed by the supercilious attitude of this balding man covered with dust and he ordered his Bronze Companions to pelt Tin Cow with figurines of cows made of tin. Unfortunately, these tin cows were not doing enough damage as a traditional stoning so the impatient priest king ordered molten tin to be poured in the talking man's mouth, silencing him once and for all.
Deep in the Divine Forest the gods watched the proceeding execution with glee. All their differences disappeared as they saw the molten tin enter Tin Cow's throat.
Vode remarked: "I now somewhat regret plotting against this priest king, for he has done such a great deed in our eyes." OsiOsi nodded and handed the god of wars and foreign peoples a drink.
Kefy however, quickly got over her glee and snapped at OsiOsi: "You have no need for Pisuf now, destroy him!"
OsiOsi replied: "Rather I will let Pisuf lead himself to destruction."
Voting Record:
Jolt votes Sigurd
Jolt votes taka
Captain Blackadder votes Ichigo
LittleGrizzly votes Ichigo
White_eyes:D votes Ichigo
Seamus Fermanagh votes Ichigo
Tristan de Castelreng votes Ichigo
TinCow votes Jolt
seireikhaan votes TinCow
taka votes Ichigo
White_eyes:D votes TinCow - final
Yoyoma1910 votes Ichigo
Tristan de Castelreng votes TinCow - final
Psychonaut votes abstain
Jolt votes TinCow - final
TinCow votes Ichigo - final
Challenge Record:
seireikhaan challenges TinCow
TinCow rejects seireikhaan duel
Vote Tally:
TinCow - 7 + 1 = 8 (seireikhaan, White_eyes:D, Tristan de Castelreng, Jolt)
Ichigo - 8 - 1 = 7 (Captain Blackadder, LittleGrizzly, Seamus Fermanagh, taka, Yoyoma1910, TinCow)
abstain: 1 (Psychonaut)
Challenge List:
Alive:
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Jolt
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 21:50
Ahahahaha :laugh4:
Classic...
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 21:51
Pizza no like. Bad medicine.
LittleGrizzly
03-22-2009, 22:04
Very dodgy, we should make lynches less close so no one can change the towns decision... any idea whether this was a pro town player or anti town player ?
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 22:06
I know who it is. If a bunch of townies want him lynched, I will reveal. Otherwise it is a secret.
Hmmm... interesting. I suspected someone's side goal was to eliminate me, but I never thought it would be Pisuf. Well played my friend. Out of respect for your boldness, I shall leave you to continue your important work, along with our other friends. I may have failed to save my own neck, but as my mission was only to save the Settlement, I will continue to work towards those ends, putting aside any desire for revenge. :bow: (This is what I get for trusting the damnable Gods... though I didn't exactly have a choice, now, did I?)
People of the Settlement! Fear not, for your salvation is almost here! I have been busy sneaking into your homes and tents on a nightly basis to see what nasty things you were up to. Fortunately, I have a fondness for sake, which naturally led me initially to the home of our dear, departed friend Sasaki. He was, of course, most heinously guilty, though I suspect he was simply out for his own ends, rather than in league with this legion of Vode. I communicated this information to my dear, dear friend Pisuf, who disposed of the problem most conveniently. Fear not, for despite Pisuf's apparent betrayal of my most enlightened wisdom, he is truly a protector of you all. There are many friends amongst you still, and due to your own wisdom and the good work of those who watch over you, three criminals now lay dead.
Ares was your own good work, and I can claim no part in it, for I was truly skeptical of 'miracles' such as convicted him. I'm sure there's a rational explanation for what happened there, but I haven't had time to discover it yet. Probably has to do with evolution of a pebble or something.
Sasaki, as I said, was a most guilty party. Assembling some kind of cult or other, I suspect. In any case, we dealt with him so that you did not have to.
Andres was a minor player in the cult of Vode, not the independent minded assassin that he claims. He was also detected as guilty, though by another one of your protectors, not myself.
I know that some of you who are still living are innocent, but in order to protect you from the usurpers I shall refrain from naming you at this moment. Be assured, if I see that you are in peril, I will make my knowledge of your innocence known to all.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 22:10
Makes sense.
As some info was leaked to Sasaki, but not all, many are still safe. However, given how I've bungled things, and given how complex this game seems to be, and how terrible I am with complex games... I think I'm going to bow out for the remainder, so hopefully I won't wreck the town's chances this time.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 22:14
I'm not the slightest bit guilty...as I said earlier, tincow appears to have a general "anti-gods" role.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2009, 22:18
I'm not the slightest bit guilty...as I said earlier, tincow appears to have a general "anti-gods" role.
I don't know; after you condemned townie networks, you seemed awfully cooperative and wanted lots of information once you joined. Sudden character shift and all. I think it would be safer for town if both Sasaki and I remained dead and buried.
Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment. Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes. He could help you, he could help the servants of Vode, or he could simply seek victory for himself. Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill. Pisuf is also completely immune to lynching one time, so you would need to lynch him twice to dispose of him. Since his alignment is now for himself alone, it seems like he will most certainly have to die. Fortunately, there is a man amongst you who is capable of disposing of this fellow tonight to avoid the most problematic double lynch.
Pisuf, my friend, I welcome you to your impending death.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2009, 22:28
I don't know; after you condemned townie networks, you seemed awfully cooperative and wanted lots of information once you joined. Sudden character shift and all. I think it would be safer for town if both Sasaki and I remained dead and buried.
And you gave me information, hence proving me point... :juggle2:
Now that my only recruit has been lynched I'm solidly pro-town :yes:
Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill. He is apparently capable of doing either of them whenever he wants. For this reason, and since I do not know whether the one person I know who can solve this problem will be online to submit his orders, I feel the need to call in the assistance of the Sorcerer of Vode. Mr. Sorcerer, while I do not share your goal of destroying the settlers, Pisuf is now a threat to us all. As he can survive his first lynching, the only effective way to eliminate him is to kill him at night. Pisuf is probably a greater threat to you than the entire rest of the settlers combined. For this reason, you should dispose of him tonight, so that you can then return to killing Settlers in peace from there on out. After all, not only can you not lynch Pisuf, he will surely start killing immediately now that he has been exposed. He may eliminate you through sheer luck.
For these reasons, Sorcerer, I highly recommend that you kill CountArach.
Now that my only recruit has been lynched I'm solidly pro-town :yes:
I said it privately when I saw it happen, and I'll say it again. Volunteering that information about the 'cult' as a 'test' of ATPG was sheer genius. I was mightily impressed when I saw it. That is deviousness that deserves high praise.
Who, what, when, where? What just happened? Someone has the ability to mess with the lynches? And CA is Pisuf? If his goal is to kill everyone, why has he only killed Sasaki so far? It all seems very wierd.
Reenk Roink
03-22-2009, 23:03
nvm
orders please
By the way I feel so left out of this townie network. The usurpers have let me watch their party so I demand the pro town networks bring me up to speed! :laugh4:
Who, what, when, where? What just happened? Someone has the ability to mess with the lynches? And CA is Pisuf? If his goal is to kill everyone, why has he only killed Sasaki so far? It all seems very wierd.
Because he was biding his time waiting. If he was going to side with Vode, he needed to find them first. If he was going to go solo (which he has apparently done) he had to kill off as much of the competition as he could. His only mandatory goal was to kill me, as my role was essentially an atheist. I was a pure detective with no other side goals at all, but apparently the Gods don't like people who don't believe in them. I wouldn't be surprised if other God-related roles also had my death as a side objective.
I didn't have much of a choice in this whole thing. CountArach contacted me on the very first day phase and told me exactly who I was and what I could do. I saw no point in worrying about him killing me, since I had no way to retaliate and couldn't stop him even if I wanted to. So, I worked with him up until the point at which he finally cut my throat.
Also, if there are any roles out there that can block or otherwise hinder someone else's night actions, targeting CountArach would be extremely helpful. :bow:
LittleGrizzly
03-22-2009, 23:46
So we should lynch CA tomorrow... CA anything to say about this ?
Captain Blackadder
03-22-2009, 23:51
I think we will have to lynch him since I believe we have lost our pro town nk roles.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-23-2009, 00:51
What an utterly glorious game -- squirrely in nintenn directions at once. I am having fun.
FactionHeir
03-23-2009, 02:04
So you are claiming a detective type role.
Well, there were 4 nights, you gave 2 results (CA doesn't count because he contacted you). Which would the other two be?
Actually, I only told you one of my results, not two. As I stated, the Andres result came from another person, not me.
My investigations:
N1 - Sasaki - Guilty
N2 - GH - Innocent
N3 - FactionHeir - Innocent
N4 - Living Person Who Will Not Be Named Unless They Are About To Be Lynched - Innocent
I also have knowledge of several other investigation results for other living people. They are all innocent so I will similarly withhold that information until it is needed, for the protection of those people.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2009, 02:49
Somehow I don't think TinCow is telling the truth when he says he has no side goals :book:
I would advise the town to focus on lynching usurpers...
Yeh. Good one TC. I don't believe a word of it. Somehow CA killed as Pisuf on the night he was blocked. Thanks for that wonderful tid-bit. :laugh4:
Who says getting drunk is a role block? Oh, that's right... I did. I wonder why I said that? Could it have been to protect CA from being IDed as Pisuf?
Who says getting drunk is a role block? Oh, that's right... I did. I wonder why I said that? Could it have been to protect CA from being IDed as Pisuf?
I'd take the word of the roleblocker over yours anyday.
Oh, this will be a classic for sure.
I just finished reading this thread and I must be honest with you, I am completely dumbfounded. I don't know what to say or who to suspect. Two great manipulators have possisioned themselves as directors of the town's effort. Sasaki and TinCow can't be trusted. Even if it is most likely that only one of them are lying through his teeth.
Am I the only one worried about there not being any good men in the lynched list? (I am not helping to change this, I know)
Has anone tried to figure out what the quoted text in our role PMs signifies?
I am on a cellphone, so I might be only on sporadically through this week. At least during work hours.
Nice to see you Sigurd :)
Urg - so sorry to have been only sporadically online for the weekend - I only had time to read up on the fact that I've been killed for the second time in ATPG's Psycho mafia :skull::skull:.
If I'd had a chance to catch up on this thread I would have certainly tried to save TinCow over Ichigo any day and my vote would have made it a tie at least. Ach sorry TinCow - I haven't thought of you as scummy throughout the thread. I'd like to hear from CountArach obviously in response to TinCow's accusation. If the mafia don't kill him then I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch him - twice if needs be!
I was happy to vote for Andres when he 'confessed' to a SK role and I'd be happy to vote for CountArach too unless there is a persuasive response to the charges against him.
I'd take the word of the roleblocker over yours anyday.
Even if it was a role block, it obviously didn't work because CA killed Sasaki. That's a fact. If you don't believe me after everything I've disclosed, there's not much else I can say to convince you. I've given you more than enough evidence to do what's necessary to save yourselves. If you choose not to act on that, you'll realize your error soon enough.
LittleGrizzly
03-23-2009, 13:12
Still no response from CA, i suspect the next day or two could be very intresting...
Tell me TC, does CA have (in a way) 2 lives ?
So 2 lynches, or 1 lynch and a night kill or 2 night kills ?
Or does the 2 thing only count for lynches
Still no response from CA, i suspect the next day or two could be very intresting...
Tell me TC, does CA have (in a way) 2 lives ?
So 2 lynches, or 1 lynch and a night kill or 2 night kills ?
Or does the 2 thing only count for lynches
As far as I am aware, it only works on lynching. If he has a method of surviving a night kill, I do not know about it. He does have a very high duel score and I would not recommend that anyone duel him for this reason, but as far as I can tell from the write-ups, duel scores do not appear to impact night kills.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2009, 15:36
Even if it was a role block, it obviously didn't work because CA killed Sasaki. That's a fact. If you don't believe me after everything I've disclosed, there's not much else I can say to convince you. I've given you more than enough evidence to do what's necessary to save yourselves. If you choose not to act on that, you'll realize your error soon enough.
:laugh4:
You've "disclosed" that pisuf is responsible for your death, despite CA not voting today and pizza having revealed that there's a role that can manipulate vote counts. You "disclosed" that pisuf was your friend, only to disclose ten minutes later that pisuf was evil incarnate. You "disclosed" that there was someone among us who could kill pisuf and then begged the mafia to do it for you. You "disclosed" that pisuf had to alternate between investigation and killing, and then said that he wasn't. You "disclosed" that CA investigated you night one, discovered that you were a god hating atheist, and confessed to you that he was a god. You "disclosed" details about pisufs role (side with mafia, win on own) that no one in their right mind would have confessed to you. You "disclosed" that you were a detective but never investigated CA to check up on his story.
****
I have no reason to care overly about Pisuf...
Pisuf seems more like a character who is trying to eliminate certain people. Presumably he investigated me and found that I was a servant of another god, and eliminated me the next night (that's usually how the Investigator/killer roles work--you have to have a result on someone before you can kill them, you can't simply be told or guess). It seems that his task was to eliminate TinCow, who all of the gods disliked:
Deep in the Divine Forest the gods watched the proceeding execution with glee. All their differences disappeared as they saw the molten tin enter Tin Cow's throat.
Vode remarked: "I now somewhat regret plotting against this priest king, for he has done such a great deed in our eyes." OsiOsi nodded and handed the god of wars and foreign peoples a drink.
Kefy however, quickly got over her glee and snapped at OsiOsi: "You have no need for Pisuf now, destroy him!"
OsiOsi replied: "Rather I will let Pisuf lead himself to destruction."
So Pisuf is supposedly leading himself into destruction now. Seems to be a wild card of sorts.
*****
Eliminating Pisuf is a fine, but the usurpers are more important, and TinCow is trying to lead us astray (he is roleplaying rather hard). If one of pisufs goals was to kill TinCow he would have eliminated him rather than reveal to him that he was a killer. CA was roleblocked on the night of the pisuf killing, which TinCow first responded to with "no he wasn't" and next with "yes but obviously it didn't work!".
In summary: Ignore TinCow and try to find the usurpers
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2009, 15:47
One or both of you are talented at subterfuge. My brain hurts. :wall:
The information I obtained on Pisuf did not come from Pisuf. It was sent to me by a person who was aware of what happened to me after I was lynched. Hence the about-face. I have no desire to explain the inconsistencies in my story because doing so would make the person who informed me vulnerable.
I agree that the usurpers must be killed. If you know who one is, by all means dispose of them. Just be aware that neither the usurpers nor the settlers will win this game if CountArach is alive at the end. If you let him survive, he will be the only victor.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-23-2009, 19:30
One or both of you are talented at subterfuge. My brain hurts. :wall:
Oh, both of them are. Now, as to who is using subterfuge....:inquisitive:
Info on vote shifter? PM maybe? Thanks.
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2009, 19:37
Oy. Should I even trust you, Seamus? LOL
You're not dead yet, after all. Tell you what... he should come forward and tell you in private. It would be good of him to do so.
FactionHeir
03-23-2009, 19:50
I do find it disturbing that the 3 investigations on N1-3 resulted in the death of that person on the very next night. So is the N4 person to go next?
IMO this seems to suggest to me that whoever TC is in contact with IS the sorcerer of Vode. Or TC was the sorceror...
Seamus Fermanagh
03-23-2009, 20:13
Oy. Should I even trust you, Seamus? LOL
You're not dead yet, after all. Tell you what... he should come forward and tell you in private. It would be good of him to do so.
Fair enough. The more info I have the more I can organize my thoughts.
Part of why I did so big a reveal all at once, Pizza. I figured that if I had more or less everything out in the open and published, there would be little reason to whack me immediately. Better to go for another as yet unknown threat. I could always be sworded down by one of the usurpers as a "bonus" once they think victory is close. So my death has been foretold, but not acted upon. Actually, my murder would almost be a positive for the town, since all the town loses is a lynch vote and I might even have a protector who would expose a bad guy as I died (not that Reenk would let me know of it).
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2009, 20:23
I believe you Seamus; I just don't want to be responsible for any more leaks. That's all.
Ask around; ask everyone who voted for Tincow. One of them probably was responsible.
IMO this seems to suggest to me that whoever TC is in contact with IS the sorcerer of Vode. Or TC was the sorceror...
If I was the Sorcerer or was helping the Sorcerer, presumably Vode wouldn't have been so pleased with my death. All the Gods hated me because I did not believe in them. It is perfectly reasonable to assume from that that I would also want to eliminate the Gods (though that wasn't my objective), but it's a bit of a stretch to say that I could have been actively in league with Vode.
I believe you Seamus; I just don't want to be responsible for any more leaks. That's all.
Ask around; ask everyone who voted for Tincow. One of them probably was responsible.
I'm well aware of who caused the vote switch, but I think that person is still working towards a victory for the settlers. As such, I will not expose them.
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2009, 20:48
I'm well aware of who caused the vote switch, but I think that person is still working towards a victory for the settlers. As such, I will not expose them.
Me too. If it's the one thing I do right this game, that's it.
LittleGrizzly
03-23-2009, 20:50
So we are sure the vote switching guy is a good guy... well if he puts it to good use then great... if not...
FactionHeir
03-23-2009, 21:10
Still, how do you explain that people die the night after you investigated them? 3 times in a row so far.
Still, how do you explain that people die the night after you investigated them? 3 times in a row so far.
The explanation is simple: you're attempting to manufacture evidence to support a pre-conceived notion that I am somehow untrustworthy.
I've specifically said that I caused Sasaki's death. That was not a coincidence. It was also very clear that Pisuf killed Sasaki, so I don't see how you could possibly allege it had something to do with me being aligned with the Sorcerer.
GH was then killed by the assassin Andres. Not only was he also not the sorcerer, but I was the person who sent GH the detective result on Andres, which then prompted GH to speak out against him and resulted in Andres' lynch. Why would I finger Andres (incidentally, probably sparing you from the lynch at the same time) if GH's death at Andres' hands was my fault? Also, if I gave info on GH to Andres to get Andres to kill GH, why hasn't Andres said anything about this?
Finally, you were killed by the sorcerer. I have no idea why you were killed, but whatever reason it was had nothing to do with me.
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2009, 21:19
Convincing argument. Deserves brownie points if it's total hogwash. I'll buy it just for the sheer entertainment value if I am wrong.
I have no idea why you were killed, but whatever reason it was had nothing to do with me.
Obviously (If it was an intended hit, as is most likely) because he was an investigator, and if he was discovered by the mafia/leaked to the mafia, I doubt they would allow an Investigator on the loose (As they didn't), which could unmask them. If they follow the same pattern, then the sorcerer will surely hit Pisuf tonight.
CountArach
03-23-2009, 22:15
Alright I completely admit it - I lied to TinCow about my side role. Unfortunately though the bus to Uni leaves in 10 minutes and I can't do a detailed breakdown until the next day phase. In the meantime, here is my role PM:
Hello CountArach, thanks for playing :bow:
I shared a bottle of wine with him once and woke up with a terrible pain in my loins...
:stupido: Kefy the goddess of the earth on you
You are Pisuf
Background:
The god of the arts, you are the patron of the things which some misguided fools, both divine and mortal, call low. You inspire man to create the most exquisite works of pornographic poetry and pottery from his deepest and most basic instincts.
You are a free spirit and some call you a troublemaker, including that hard*** OsiOsi, lord of the sky and king of the gods. He didn't give a damn when you bedded his wife Remi along with three mortal woman in his chambers. Yet when you farted during the assembly and then blamed it on him he banished you from the Divine Forest and forced you into a mortal form...
As you walked among the mortals you made your presence felt in many ways. Primarily though, you were the soul who ended the great Civil War by turning the priests of the false gods amongst each other. Unfortunately you invoked the ire of the ‘Great ***hole in the sky’ when you ‘accidentally’ tripped and stabbed the high priest of OsiOsi in several of the other cities.
Your actions have been labeled as many things by the gods, but they can do little for you are still a god, far above the standards of men, and so it bothers you little that you have been accused of indulgent caprice, especially when it comes to stabbing things.
OsiOsi has given you a redemption quest which you have ignored for far too long. You are to find and kill a certain group of men who lurk amongst a new settler group who go against the will of OsiOsi. Any fun you might wish to have must take a back seat to your mission.
Battle Rating:
10 - Although your status as a god has been stripped from you, you still are the most powerful mortal being on the world. Standing over nine feet tall in this mortal form, you are more fearsome in war than the greatest heroes of legend ever were. Your knowledge far surpasses the greatest sages of this world and you have an incredible command of magic. You will indeed seem like a god to these mortals.
Abilities:
Investigation: Every odd-numbered night period, you may attempt an investigation on one settler. This will involve making a request to OsiOsi who will then send you down the exact knowledge on that settler.
Resistances: Due to your unique status, you will be unaffected in many ways from the world around you. However, you do not know the limits of your resistances and they may change depending on the path you choose.
Kill: Every even-numbered night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. You will have many methods at your disposal to perform this deed
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Outlast the Psyensil
Public Role:
Can I get it with chicken?
:stupido: A customer when buying a bowl
You are a Potter
Background:
Why did you become a potter? You often think about this question when your mind is idle on the wheel.
The most widely held theory is that you are descended from a tribe which incorporated pottery into a central position of their hunting rituals. Your tribe believed that if the hunter cannot see the prey then the prey cannot see the hunter and so one man of the tribe ingeniously instructed the hunters to put clay bowls over their heads so as to increase productivity during a famine.
Other theories have recently been advanced, more based on actual reality, such as the theory that you have inherited your profession supported by the fact that your father and your father’s father were potters, but so far these have not gained popularity from academics or the general public at large.
Whatever the reason, every new settlement needs a potter to make sure that the history and culture of a people is remembered when the potsherds are dug up thousands of years later (as well as the less important reason for providing vessels for various uses).
Battle Rating:
1 - You continue the traditions of your tribe by putting a pot over your head when you go into battle. Unfortunately, baked clay is not that effective at protecting against blows and also a pot over the eyes impedes vision.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Reenk added this after my kill:
Resistances: Should you get lynched, you will continue on in the game unaffected. However, this ability is used up after one lynch and should you be lynched again, it will be the normal case.
As TinCow said this can be confirmed by another player. And now I will probably need protection...
Oh damn, 3 minutes to the bus and it's a 5 minute walk...
He has omitted multiple things from that role PM, including the victory condition to outlast the settlers.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2009, 22:22
There is stuff cut out of that pm...
depending on the path you choose.
No mention of this in the body. No mention of who the group of settlers you are supposed to kill are.
Seems to be a theme...investigators who have to kill certain townies as part of their goal (in this case CA's "redemption goal" which is clearly not mandatory. Decent way to balance the game, kudos reenk.
I think that next round it is vital that we begin challanging people, and lynching those who refuse. Unless we get better evidince, we need to do better than "lynch ichigo becaus he hasn't posted at all".
Outlast the Psyensil
Wasn't there the first time I opened the thread, who is or what are the Psyensil?
I was the Psyensil. It was the name of my role, which I can presumably say since it has now been posted. Since CA has so graciously posted at least part of his role PM, where I could not previously do so, I would like to point out a few things.
1) Whether you believe CA about his true objective or not, the goal of eliminating the Psyensil was separate from the goal of elimating the usurpers in his role PM. This shows that I cannot be a usurper, because if I was my elimination would already be covered by the "outlast the usurpers" goal. I am therefore not a usurper.
2) This presumably puts an end to the debate about me lying about the role blocking. Pisuf killed on Night 2. CA was the 'drunk' on Night 2. CA admits he is Pisuf. This should confirm what I was saying, namely that the drunkness is not a block, or if it was a block, it's a very ineffective block.
[edit]Also, to restate what I said previously, CA has falsified the information about his night actions in that role PM. He can kill or investigate on any night he chooses. He is not limited to even/odd nights.
TinCow apparently says the truth when he refers to CA lying about his objectives. If not, let's see the following.
The usurpers are apparently servants of Vode, yet CA has killed Sasaki which was a servant of Kefy. Since Sasaki was a servant of Kefy he wasn't therefore a usurper, yet CA killed him. CA is lying about his goals, and I am inclined to believe TinCow says the truth and that he is a SK. We therefore lynch him in two days.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2009, 23:56
Problem is, TinCow and CA have both lied...hmm. This statement:
As TinCow said this can be confirmed by another player. And now I will probably need protection...
CA is familiar with TinCow's source? Or some other player who knows things?
Clearly we don't know the whole story. Maybe there is an anti-pisuf character...perhaps a high priest of osiosi. What reasons do you have for trusting this person tincow? They should also send the same information to someone else who is trustworthy. 2 days lynching is a quite a commitment...
Reenk Roink
03-24-2009, 04:59
Night will be extended to allow for a new time slot (12:00 - 16:00 EST). Also all PM's have not come in yet! :shocked2:
CountArach
03-24-2009, 09:40
Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment.
What source would this be?
Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes.
Nope, I’ve posted my role PM and you know that I’ve been checked out by another detective who received the exact same role PM. I know he did because I asked that he leave out the part about the Psyensil and this other person complied willingly when I made up a PM saying that you were against me.
Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill.
Alright here is the first major problem with your theory… Because:
Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill
What happened within that time frame?
Because he was biding his time waiting.
Yes indeed, I was going to kill you after I found out who the evil roles were so that I could win the game in the simplest matter possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if other God-related roles also had my death as a side objective.
I doubt it, I think we would have heard about it in the write-up, in the same way we heard about my success in the side objective.
Yeh. Good one TC. I don't believe a word of it. Somehow CA killed as Pisuf on the night he was blocked. Thanks for that wonderful tid-bit. :laugh4:
Alright on the night I was ‘blocked’ by the alcohol I received a PM saying I was essentially immune, because I am a God… which makes sense. However I was blocked on night 3 by a religious role when I was supposed to be investigating LittleGrizzly. Here is the PM that Reenk sent me:
You begin to approach LittleGrizzly’s tent, yet as you near it you hear a voice behind you.
“Repent ye sinners! The day of reckoning is upon ye!”
A man in a black cape runs past brandishing various religious tools. You know that these mere talismans have no real effect on anything and yet you move back behind the nearest tent flap, a whorehouse that you have used from time to time. Several other villagers follow closely behind this man and a couple of them lean up against LittleGrizzly’s tent for a breather. Unfortunately they are so enamoured by the whorehouse that they decide to stay there for a number of hours.
“Screw this,” you mutter, “I’m going home…”
As far as I am aware, it only works on lynching. If he has a method of surviving a night kill, I do not know about it. He does have a very high duel score and I would not recommend that anyone duel him for this reason, but as far as I can tell from the write-ups, duel scores do not appear to impact night kills.
To the best of my knowledge this is the correct interpretation of my second life. Of course my role PM is ambiguous about Resistances and as such I might well be immune to night kills as well. We shall find out in the morning I guess… after all I suspect to be killed…
As for Sasaki’s guilt, here is the PM TinCow sent me that he received from Reenk that was the reason for me killing him.
As you slip into the tent of Sasaki Kojiro, you roll your eyes as they pass over the many alters to various gods, although it puzzles you when you encounter large detailed tomes that one would expect a well read priest to posses, not a common man like Sasaki Kojiro.
The thing that most disturbs you however is the shelf of powders and liquids of odd consistency and color. Also on this shelf are various books and scraps of papyrus. Some of the books have detailed information on the gods that you would expect only a priest to posses, not a common man. More troubling are the loose sheets of papyrus, which contain high level notes about the chemical reactions of what you guess are the substances on the shelf with water. The writings are so high level that even you cannot make full sense of them despite all your education in the chemical sciences.
Making inferences from the evidence you have gathered, you come to the conclusion that Sasaki Kojiro is indeed guilty.
I’m sure TinCow can confirm this if need be. Of course it is entirely possible that he has side roles that I was not informed of when I investigated TinCow that involve killing and one of those roles is to kill off the religious characters. He might have investigated Sasaki and found him to be something religious then faked the PM when he saw I could kill. The PM does look legitimate though.
He has omitted multiple things from that role PM, including the victory condition to outlast the settlers.
How would you know?
There is stuff cut out of that pm...
depending on the path you choose.
No mention of this in the body. No mention of who the group of settlers you are supposed to kill are.
After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction.
1) Whether you believe CA about his true objective or not, the goal of eliminating the Psyensil was separate from the goal of elimating the usurpers in his role PM. This shows that I cannot be a usurper, because if I was my elimination would already be covered by the "outlast the usurpers" goal. I am therefore not a usurper.
No you are indeed not an usurper as far as I can tell, but that does not mean you don’t have extra roles.
[edit]Also, to restate what I said previously, CA has falsified the information about his night actions in that role PM. He can kill or investigate on any night he chooses. He is not limited to even/odd nights.
You have yet to provide any evidence of this.
CA is familiar with TinCow's source? Or some other player who knows things?
We have a mutual acquaintance who is a detective. He investigated me and recevied my role PM.
Also to everyone who is advocating lynching me, I will remind you that you will have to lynch me twice, thus meaning that the mafia get a free day without conversation. At the very least, try to find the mafia first and then lynch me if the game does not end.
Alright now a question for TinCow. If indeed we are to assume I could kill on each night and investigate on every night, why wouldn’t I tell you that in the first place? To what point or purpose would I lie about something like that?
Any other questions or explanations?
White_eyes:D
03-24-2009, 10:28
After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction. After reading that....sticking to lynching him for two days, does not sound bad.....(Can't have a super powered god on the loose:yes:)
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 10:34
I am hungry. Feed me some Pisuf, bathed in blood, and I will go away.
CountArach
03-24-2009, 10:45
I just got more powerful - and I doubt I would be able to get even more powerful. What could Reenk possibly do to me to make me even better?
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 10:46
Make you invisible?
CountArach
03-24-2009, 10:46
Or X-Ray vision...
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 10:49
I think some lovely A1 steak sauce will do. Where are my manners. What kind of wine would you like to be served with?
CountArach
03-24-2009, 10:50
I think some lovely A1 steak sauce will do. Where are my manners. What kind of wine would you like to be served with?
Something expensive... I am a God after all.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 11:21
The main thing im thinking CA, is your friend is very conspicious in his absence, you mention him as a source of info and someone that can confirm your role pm... but he is strangely absent... surely saving a super powered god would be his top priority... unless he is worried about were your loyalty's lie...
CountArach
03-24-2009, 11:41
The main thing im thinking CA, is your friend is very conspicious in his absence, you mention him as a source of info and someone that can confirm your role pm... but he is strangely absent... surely saving a super powered god would be his top priority... unless he is worried about were your loyalty's lie...
Why would we risk revealing yet another detective to the town? TinCow can confirm that this other player received the role PM I posted and forwarded it to him.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 11:54
Well it doesn't need to be revealed in the thread...
Perhaps a 3rd player, a trusted source could be used, surely between your investigations you have someone who fits the bill ?
Your friend could confirm through this trusted source that your role pm is as it should be.... or not
Because at the moment i see 2 players who i thought were pro-town going at each other, one is dead and thus any side goals he had are over... all he can hope for is settler victory... whereas you still being alive can complete any side goals...
So why would an innocent player go after you like this.... it doesn't seem tincows style to go for pure revenge, otherwise he would have made an effort to go after the vote changer...?
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 11:55
I'd trust TheFlax, considering I cannot be trusted to keep stuff secret.
CountArach
03-24-2009, 11:56
So why would an innocent player go after you like this.... it doesn't seem tincows style to go for pure revenge, otherwise he would have made an effort to go after the vote changer...?
I think someone has sent him information on Pisuf that is just plain wrong. There's no reason I would possibly lie about my night role.
As for the third party source, that is up to the third party to decide. I would appreciate it if they could find someone who is confirmed innocent.
The night result action CA posted on Sasaki is correct. That is what I received from Reenk, verbatim.
CA's entire defense is based on the idea that there's a person out there who can confirm his innocence because he investigated CA. This person has not spoken up to aid him. While the role PM that CA posted is basically what he sent me on Turn 1, after he told me exactly who I was without being prompted, it is not his full role PM. I was sent a full copy of his real role PM shortly after my lynching. This is why I made an about face and warned the town about him, instead of leaving him in peace as was my original intention. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who sent me the real role PM.
You made your move too early CA. You should have waited until you were only a couple night rounds away from victory, since you could have survived a single lynching.
"Patience is the greatest of all virtues."
- Cato the Elder
:bow:
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 12:12
Im sure CA, but the main thing sealing the case for me is the lack of information from this 3rd player, im pretty damn sure he could find someone to pass on this information if needed. Even without players you or 3rd player know the innocence of you still have an option like seamus left, but you need this guy to pm seamus backing up what you have been saying and calling TC out on his lies.
If you can do this i shall have a hard decision to make and will be somewhat nuetral in the matter... until such a point i find myself siding with TC...
Not just because of TC mind you, Sasaki said there was stuff missing from your pm even though he was arguing against TC's case, so no obvious reason for him to back TC...
Interesting to see if the block works tonight then...
CountArach
03-24-2009, 12:21
I've PMed the third party to see if they trust me and are willing to help. Now it is only a matter of time.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 12:49
Then for the moment i shall reserve judgement until we hear from the 3rd player... perhaps through another player... either that or until the day phase comes... though i think the day phase could be pretty soon... so im willing to give a few hours after the day phase starts...
While we are waiting for CA's savior to arrive, I suppose I should explain why my information is superior to any that this person may eventually produce. As I noted shortly after I was lynched, in death I received enlightenment. You see, we live in a world ruled by Gods. In life, I did not believe in these Gods. I thought they were silly notions created by man to explain the things that he was too stupid to comprehend. As I was not stupid and comprehended all, the Gods were a joke to me.
In death, it quickly became clear to me that this was not true. The afterlife is not something that I can readily refute, and OsiOsi has appeared to me directly to scold me for my previous ways. OsiOsi is a generous and forgiving God, however, and he was grateful that I had been aiding his Settlers and fighting against the Usurpers, even while I continued in my heresy. So, he gave me perfect knowledge of Pisuf, who apparently had been given a choice of which path to follow and had chosen... poorly. (Read: Reenk sent me CA's full role PM, with some fun backstory.)
This is why my information is correct and should be acted upon. It comes from the ever-merciful and enlightened OsiOsi himself. He gave Pisuf a task to fulfill, namely my death, but also gave him a test to see whether he would be virtuous or not. When Pisuf strayed from that task, my newly pious self was tasked to dispose of him. Balance, in all things.
CountArach
03-24-2009, 13:31
I doubt Reenk would send you my role PM after your death. That just seems game breaking.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 13:31
As you slip into the tent of Sasaki Kojiro, you roll your eyes as they pass over the many alters to various gods, although it puzzles you when you encounter large detailed tomes that one would expect a well read priest to posses, not a common man like Sasaki Kojiro.
The thing that most disturbs you however is the shelf of powders and liquids of odd consistency and color. Also on this shelf are various books and scraps of papyrus. Some of the books have detailed information on the gods that you would expect only a priest to posses, not a common man. More troubling are the loose sheets of papyrus, which contain high level notes about the chemical reactions of what you guess are the substances on the shelf with water. The writings are so high level that even you cannot make full sense of them despite all your education in the chemical sciences.
Making inferences from the evidence you have gathered, you come to the conclusion that Sasaki Kojiro is indeed guilty.
Either TinCow hasn't properly explained who his character thinks is "guilty" or he changed the last word. The result on Andres had an incriminating writeup, but the end line said "not an usurper". My write up is not incriminating...a healing priest who is voluntarily a common man. FH visited me and stole a healing potion.
After I killed you on night 2 Reenk informed me that I had bathed in your blood and gained extra powers – hence the role addendum that he added later. The path I chose was that of a murderer I guess, which I suppose would explain the rather confusing references to the spiral of self-destruction.
Yes, I suppose it would be rather confusing with parts of your intro pm cut out.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 13:34
I doubt Reenk would send you my role PM after your death. That just seems game breaking.
On the one hand, TinCow's "source" is himself, on the other hand, if what he said was false you should be able to do more than "doubt".
Either TinCow hasn't properly explained who his character thinks is "guilty" or he changed the last word. The result on Andres had an incriminating writeup, but the end line said "not an usurper". My write up is not incriminating...a healing priest who is voluntarily a common man. FH visited me and stole a healing potion.
The result on Andres came from a different investigator, not me. I've said this many times. As for you not being guilty, you've already spilled the beans on that one...
And you gave me information, hence proving me point... :juggle2:
Now that my only recruit has been lynched I'm solidly pro-town :yes:
You had a recruit, therefore you recruited. You are NOW "solidly pro-town" which means you were not beforehand. Beforehand, you were up to something nasty.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 13:41
You had a recruit, therefore you recruited. You are NOW "solidly pro-town" which means you were not beforehand. Beforehand, you were up to something nasty.
Even in death you are still a recruit of the evil healing cult TinCow. Carry on, but remember that...you cannot escape your past!
Was your recruit's name Robert Paulson?
FactionHeir
03-24-2009, 14:01
That and you were clad in white and had performed a night action that day (you came back late)
Was your recruit's name Robert Paulson?
:laugh4::2thumbsup:
I would advise the town to focus on lynching usurpers...
It's amusing that you didn't say that when I was about to get lynched.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 16:25
It's amusing that you didn't say that when I was about to get lynched.
You were actively killing people...pisuf has not been...and I think he should be got rid of. We should probably lynch him once tomorrow and vote on a duel that we think should be held, then maybe hold off on the second lynch if he targets who we want.
Actually I think the time has come for everyone to claim a duel score. That way if they have an unusual score the will have to lie, and if they refuse to duel then that will bring them to our attention, and if they do duel they might get revealed. This would have worked well for CA and Ares...no guarantee it will work for those who remain of course.
You were actively killing people...
You said that we should focus on the usurpers now. Is that because there now is a guilty result on you?
I think we should lynch you first. After all, maybe you ARE an usurper? With a guilty result and all. As a townie, I wouldn't think twice and would lynch you.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 16:52
If you lynch me, I shall only become more powerful.
If you lynch me, I shall only become more powerful.
So town should let you run around the place with the word "guilty" written all over you?
And follow your advice on top of it?
Sasaki : Hi townies, I'm Sasaki. I'm evil and guilty and I'm going to kill you all!
Townie : Oh no! Let us lynch ourselves to get rid of this evil man!
:inquisitive:
Just my :2cents:
You said that we should focus on the usurpers now. Is that because there now is a guilty result on you?
I think we should lynch you first. After all, maybe you ARE an usurper? With a guilty result and all. As a townie, I wouldn't think twice and would lynch you.
How do we lynch a dead man? :dizzy2:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 17:12
Uhm...
:creep:
rofl...
but anyway...my side goal was to get tincow lynched, which I put aside when asked to privately for the good of the town. He had a similar side goal, despite claiming he doesn't have one....but now that we're both dead I think he should drop it but he seems to be in full roleplaying mode so whatever. I'd prefer input from the rest of the town on who they think is guilty, but it's hard to get in thread evidence from this game.
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 17:14
:beatnik:
Sorry I've been a bit inactive...
:scorpio:
Reenk Roink
03-24-2009, 17:21
In the dark of the night, a man who was a little grizzly looking walked the streets. Given his attire one would think he was a beggar in search of food with nowhere to go. Yet the man who was a little grizzly looking determinedly followed a set course to the tent of the commoner who called himself a count named Arach.
Inside, the common count Arach worked on his pottery wheel, his back turned to the man who was a little grizzly who had just entered. At this moment the man who was a little grizzly threw off his tattered robes revealing a shining suit of bronze armor. He pulled out a masterwork sword and exclaimed: "Pisuf! You have done enough harm to the world, but now you are no longer an immortal god. It is time to test your mortality against The Watcher!"
The common count called Arach simply laughed and said: "Ok then."
At this point, the common count Arach transformed into a giant towering over nine feet tall. The Watcher was clearly unprepared for this sight, he had not expected Pisuf to retain so much power after his fall. Yet after a few moments of amazement, The Watcher steeled himself and nimbly struck Pisuf with his sword, chopping his forearm off cleanly.
Pisuf merely grimaced and cast a spell making all the clay in his tent swarm The Watcher. Once it had enveloped him, it began to harden, but The Watcher shattered the clay with his sword and broke free.
A monumental struggle took place initially but Pisuf soon wore down The Watcher who seemed a bit rusty in his combat skills. Finally, Pisuf was able to gain a step on his opponent and hurled a fireball into The Watcher face, blinding him. Pisuf then put out the flames by smothering The Watcher's face with clay. Pisuf then chopped off The Watcher's clay encased head and put in the kiln and fired it. Moments later when it exploded, Pisuf joyfully remarked: "Foolish me, I forgot to press out all the air bubbles in the clay."
A voice in a tent far away could be heard exclaiming: "YES! I AM FREE! HAHAHAHAHA! IFFO IS FREE!"
In the morning when the headless body of The Watcher was brought to Reenk Roink, the priest king bitterly wept over the death of his closest companion and friend. Covering the body with his cloak, the priest king Reenk Roink looked up with puffy red eyes at the settlers and said: "Douse my grief with justice or else it will become anger and it will be directed towards you..."
All the settlers quietly nodded except Jolt who laughed out loud and fell on the floor, obviously inebriated.
Challenge List:
Alive:
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Jolt
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
LittleGrizzly
Day ends on Wednesday, March 25 at 16:00 Eastern
He had a similar side goal, despite claiming he doesn't have one....but now that we're both dead I think he should drop it but he seems to be in full roleplaying mode so whatever.
Actually, I really didn't, but I fully understand why you wouldn't believe that. I wouldn't believe it if I was you.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 17:31
Huh. No kill from the usurpers. Pisuf kills "The Watcher"...I guess grizz thought he could take out pisuf? Anyway...we ought to lynch countA. Lynch jolt...roleblocked and no kill, detective result, etc.
And who in the name of klefy is iffo??? This game is amazing...
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 17:33
I, the all seeing eye of Osi Osi, have a better idea:
You once again prepare the night vigil to OsiOsi, and in your gratefulness for being free from Pisuf, offer a most excellent sacrifice.
The sky god quickly inspires you with the true nature of the man named Jolt:
On my left I bring a line of water and on my right I bring a line of fire.
:stupido: Vode's mystical saying
You are Vode's Wand
Background:
It is true that the god of wars and foreign peoples has bestowed the most power on Vode's Sword, but you are indeed his most trusted servant.
True to your god's portfolio, you are a foreign sorcerer of immense power. Vode has sent you to accompany his agents to ensure that both the earthly empire is carved out for Vode's Sword and that enough blood is spilt on the earth for Vode. For the true reason behind this plan is for Vode to kill OsiOsi and replace him as the king of the gods!
It all starts with disposing this pathetic little priest king Reenk Roink.
Battle Rating:
6 - You are diminutive in stature but your very presence makes people wary as it emanates power. You are one of the most skilled in the use of magic, and your spells can cause terrible damage.
Abilities:
Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. With your powerful magics, you have many avenues of murder at your disposal.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the settlers (usurper victory)
Public Role:
If thou ever feeleth the desire to striketh another, restrain thyself and burneth a pound of meat to OsiOsi. He will allow thee to bed the wife of thee enemy.
:stupido: A priest's sermon
You are a Priest
Background:
There are a two prerequisites for becoming a priest:
1) Being old
2) Being a virgin
After that you can worship the gods all the time instead of just on weekends!
Battle Rating:
1 – Devoting yourself to the rituals of the gods leaves little time for military training. The strongest man is the one with the strongest faith as you say.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
What an excellent reward for your faith!
FactionHeir
03-24-2009, 17:34
Hmmm our sorcerer didn't kill tonight and Jolt was found drunk.....I wonder.....
As for the Watcher, looks like my side objective was fulfilled in death :grin: why thank you Pisuf.
It is rather worrying though, that he is immune to night kills and will even kill the killer...
FactionHeir
03-24-2009, 17:36
Thanks Yoyo, just as I had thought, as I had asked our role blocker to block Jolt tonight after he seemed a bit too eager during our PM exchange to get TC killed.
Now we're getting somewhere. Both Jolt and CA need to be disposed of. However, since one lynching will not remove CA, it would be better to do Jolt first. That way we'll have a maximum of 1 death tonight.
Good work!
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 17:37
oh right...no vode kill...jolt blocked...*smacks self*
huh...4 people with investigative powers so far...a roleblocker, a doctor, 2 masons, and only 3 mafia? Understandably pisuf is a tough nut to crack, but I have to wonder if that's all the bad guys there are. Maybe this "Iffo" character will give us some trouble.
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 17:38
Thanks Yoyo, just as I had thought, as I had asked our role blocker to block Jolt tonight after he seemed a bit too eager during our PM exchange to get TC killed.
That's Yoyo Master, to you.
:clown:
FactionHeir
03-24-2009, 17:39
Hmmm btw, how many OsiOsi priests do we have anyway....
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 17:43
Don't know, I only know of myself.
huh...4 people with investigative powers so far...a roleblocker, a doctor, 2 masons, and only 3 mafia? Understandably pisuf is a tough nut to crack, but I have to wonder if that's all the bad guys there are. Maybe this "Iffo" character will give us some trouble.
5 actually. The Watcher could investigate too. He was the one who found Andres. This game is indeed role heavy, and the balance seems to be that some of the investigators had to eliminate other investigators.
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2009, 17:49
CA is innocent. Kill Jolt.
Reenk Roink
03-24-2009, 17:49
I love all this speculation! :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 17:56
CA is innocent. Kill Jolt.
If CA was being truthful, the game should be over when we lynch Jolt, yes?
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2009, 17:58
Maybe. Considering Reenk, there's probably a few more usurpers out there somewhere. But Jolt should definitely be lynched immediately.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 18:02
Maybe. Considering Reenk, there's probably a few more usurpers out there somewhere. But Jolt should definitely be lynched immediately.
hmm:
It is true that the god of wars and foreign peoples has bestowed the most power on Vode's Sword, but you are indeed his most trusted servant.
True to your god's portfolio, you are a foreign sorcerer of immense power. Vode has sent you to accompany his agents to ensure that both the earthly empire is carved out for Vode's Sword and that enough blood is spilt on the earth for Vode. For the true reason behind this plan is for Vode to kill OsiOsi and replace him as the king of the gods!
The role pm only mentions vode's sword...but says agents plural. Now it's been said that Andres was a lowly pawn of the vode agents.
VV I was counting him as that...since his fake pm was "edgar's sword" and the writeup said he was an agent of vode. So what I'm concerned about with "agents" is that the wording indicates that jolt was being sent to help multiple people. Which would mean at least one other besides ares.
Ares claimed he was a serial killer, but that's the only proof we got of that. He could well have been Vode's Sword.
Lord Winter
03-24-2009, 18:15
I thought we decided that Ares was most likely Vode too. (posted same time as tincow)
Vote: Jolt
Known enemies first, then those in doubt,
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 18:17
Vote:Jolt
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 19:25
There is time enough on the clock to eliminate CA. Jolt on the other hand, rubs me the wrong way. He was uncooperative and "didn't trust" me even after I protected his identity as best I could. I believe he didn't want to volunteer much to the pro-town network but wanted to benefit fully from it.
I think I still have the PMs somewhere, but I cannot repost them, unfortunately.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 19:34
Avenge me town!
Or actually... lynch Jolt first... if we don't win the game then lynch CA... twice...
I seem to be one of the only players who actually was pure town... as in i didn't have any objectives but to kill the usurpers...
I put my life on the line for the town... now go out there and win it!!
edit 2: not sure how much i can discuss my actions after death...
Lets just say i acted only in the towns best interests... throughout!
Seamus Fermanagh
03-24-2009, 20:13
Vote: Jolt
This is enough role-blocker confirmation for me, given present circumstances and revelations.
Sasaki:
You suggested 4 with detective ability and Tincow implies it's 5. I think the game balance answer is pretty simple -- don't you?
Arach and others:
I was mentioned as a possible conduit for information from an as-yet undisclosed 3rd party. No player has contacted me for any purpose in the last 18 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 20:15
remember to be bold in your voting...
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 20:18
I was tempted to pass on info to you... but was a little worried about it...
Don't worry almost all info i had has been shared in various ways... some more info will be coming out soon...
Seamus the fact no one has contacted you with regards to CA may speak volumes about his level of guilt... i didn't get myself killed for the fun of it...
bleh. :shame: Well played town. :bow: You won.
Not much I can say with those odds stacked against me. :P I'll have much to write and reveal once the game is over, and one correction to ATPG.
I wasn't wanting to benefit fully from the network. In fact all I did say according to recieving information from the network was that if you trusted me and if you saw me as a trustable person then you could share information. I did not demand or request, even when you asked me if I wanted any information.
Anyways, gg.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 20:50
Meh. I won't believe we win until Reenk has said so, and then, I'll still be waiting for the fake ending.
AND, I don't believe you know for sure whether or not there are additional mafia or serial killers. Seriously, only one God roaming around, with a game that has talked about more than one? With conflicting interests?
Methinks this game isn't over yet.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 20:54
Seriously, only one God roaming around, with a game that has talked about more than one? With conflicting interests?
Methinks this game isn't over yet.
The gods mostly just observe... im fairly sure only one has taken human form...
the main question left is if CA is a good guy or a bad guy... i thought he was a bad guy and paid with my life... we will see i guess...
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 20:57
Meh. I won't believe we win until Reenk has said so, and then, I'll still be waiting for the fake ending.
AND, I don't believe you know for sure whether or not there are additional mafia or serial killers. Seriously, only one God roaming around, with a game that has talked about more than one? With conflicting interests?
Methinks this game isn't over yet.
We know for a fact that it won't be over when jolt is lynched.
Anyway: We need to have everyone still living start claiming their duel scores. All the baddies so far have had a different duel score than in their cover role.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 21:00
Could have been a ploy to shut down discussion, since he was doomed.
I recommend more votes on Jolt, but if we rest on our laurels and not discuss anything, we are wasting a round.
I meant it if there are no other Mafias and if Pisuf is Pro-Town as he says he is. In any case, if I die today, he'll be exposed tomorrow. Vote: CountArach
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2009, 21:09
If people are going to claim duel scores, and they have important duel scores, I doubt that they need to be made public.
Judgment call: Trust the shepherds (Reenk's own writeups said I was a shepherd) and be careful who you reveal to if you do not.
Duel scores range from 0 to 10, so far.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-24-2009, 21:12
Vote: Jolt
Forgot to bold. :wall:
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 21:13
If my contacts have trust in seamus we can pass on some names of innocents to him... we may not now what side goals those people have... so if we could limit the identity's we give seamus (or seamus gives everyone) to non usurper, then we should have a ready made group who are all gaurenteed innocents... then we simply lynch CA and anyone else outside the group after that...
Tada! victory!
Or it should work in my eyes anyway...
Needless to say this is a bit different from a TIN (which are bad) because the people in it are known not to be usurpers...
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 21:22
A voice in a tent far away could be heard exclaiming: "YES! I AM FREE! HAHAHAHAHA! IFFO IS FREE!"
Gentlemen... I believe there is an issue that has come up:
With the death of our dear watcher, it seems the demon Iffo has been released.
Hello LittleGrizzly, thanks for playing :bow:
We've got some great men here eh? Heroes of Legend; but Little Grizzly is by far our greatest warrior...
:stupido: Reenk Roink to his Bronze Companions before a raid
You are The Watcher
Background:
Born into a noble family closely associated with and even related to the line of the Reenk Roink, your tie with the priest king goes much beyond that. As young children you were inseparable playmates. As you grew older you were schooled in the ways of the gods, the study of administration, and the science of warfare. You participated on raids with Reenk Roink before the hair on either of your faces had grown dark and thick. Whenever the spoils were to be distributed, Reenk Roink would offer you the first pickings from the booty (in both senses), and you of course would decline courteously, in lieu of him. You would die for Reenk Roink and he would die for you.
It was you who stormed the walls of the Thieves of Carn, bringing much death to the criminals and recovering vast troves of stolen artifacts. It was you who came up with the brilliant stratagem that led to the capture of the island city of Kos with just sixty men. It was you who dealt the killing blow to the giant Qirt during the Great Civil War. It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity.
You were the first of the Bronze Companions to pledge his sword when Reenk Roink had to seek new lands, and you were the one who volunteered to go and infiltrate the settlers in order to flush out the usurpers.
Disguising yourself as a beggar, you are the only one of the Bronze Companions who does not reside inside the walls of the priest king's Temple Complex. Instead, you blend inconspicuously among the settlers, determined in your goal to identify and destroy the usurper threat.
Beware, for your past heroic deeds have earned the ire of the less heroic. It is likely that they plot revenge...
Battle Rating:
6 - You are in the prime of your life. You have received the best training from an early age in both marital and tactical areas. You have been battle hardened with many experiences. You possess the highest quality arms and armor. You are truly an elite champion, your prowess being too great for most mortal men to handle.
Abilities:
Investigation: Every night period, you may attempt an investigation on one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house to get a glimpse of what he is up to beyond the public appearances and interpreting the ever present and ever ambiguous signs of the gods. Well trained in both methods of surveillance and sign interpretation as well as focused on the goal of finding the usurpers you are confident that you will get reliable and relevant results, although everything may not be apparent to you.
Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword. Of course, you are no capricious murderer, and this ability should only be used on those strongly suspected of having something to do with the treachery.
Note: You may only perform one action each night (you cannot both investigate and kill on the same night).
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Public Role:
You: Spare some change sir?
Nobleman: Away with you beggar!
You: May the gods bless you!
You: Spare some change sir?
Another Nobleman: Well there, don't you just add to the local color? Quite the smashing bit of dress you wear there. I'll have to look into such an outfit when I next attend one of aunties full dress costume affairs. I'll be the talk of the party!
You: May the gods bless you!
:stupido: A common day of begging
You are a Beggar
Background:
Things could have been better you guess. Your father died before you were born and your mother died during your delivery. At least that's what the ladies at the orphanage used to tell you as they chained you up for the night. It's not as if you minded being locked in a dark room every day, it's just that the rats had the superior numbers and usually took the gruel that was left for you.
Boy were those the good old days. After leaving the orphanage you went on the streets. You found that trading blessings for food or money doesn't really work well, but what the hell, you gave out a lot of free samples!
You left the city to go sailing for new lands. They say people are getting paid to make the journey to a new settlement. You didn't get paid anything but hey, there's a better chance of catching a fish on the sea than on the dirt roads. Unless, of course, you're near a fish market; then what a banquet!.
Boy, are those slaves lucky, gods bless them.
Battle Rating:
0 - They say a hard life hardens a man. Well they obviously haven't had a life as hard as yours. Constant lack of food has left you weaker than a baby. Constant lack of clean water has left you stricken with disease. Constant lack of shelter has taken a huge toll on your body. You have a hard enough time going through the act of eating much less fighting.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
So four pages ago, I was fairly certain that CountArach would need to be dealt with - and the one who - until recently - was a Little Grizzley, seems to confirm that after his own failed attempt on the living God Pisuf's life. Given Grizzley was confirmed in the write-up as a townie of the highest order - The Watcher, I would push for this, but I am worried about the sudden entrance of this Iffo man/woman/God/thing, which seems to have occurred at least simultaneously, if not as a direct result(???) of the Watchers' death.
So I am pondering this - and then Jolt confesses to being the Sorceror of Vode :laugh4:
I need to go over the lengthy arguments concerning CountArach and his possible affiliation again, but there is no doubt that the murdering servants of Vode should taste their own medicine first.
vote: Jolt
:yes: my thoughts exactly Yoyoma
Reenk Roink
03-24-2009, 21:26
Just a note, I hope people are simply being foolish and revealing their roles to each other in life, and not quoting PM's in death like I said not to... :wink: :bow:
Yoyoma1910
03-24-2009, 21:32
No rules have been broken. :bow:
All information was obtained and/ or passed on while people were living.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-24-2009, 21:36
Just a note, I hope people are simply being foolish and revealing their roles to each other in life, and not quoting PM's in death like I said not to... :wink: :bow:
Based on all the material pizza was able to collect, I'd say exchanges of role PM were fairly common. I admit, I don't think I've done that in any game over the last two years -- but then again, I have never survived a game either, so maybe my way is the wrong one.
Reenk Roink
03-24-2009, 21:47
Heh, sorry for being suspicious, just that I would have never expected such a free sharing of info in this game. :bow:
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 21:50
Having the ability to investigate helps you to know who to share with...
sorry, ive been really busy with hosting my game, didnt expect it to be so hard :sweatdrop:
whats happened? i just loads of people voting Jolt, if i can get a very concise summary then that would be uber good :bow:
thanks
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 22:02
Captain Blackadder, it has been decided that you must post your role pm. For the good of the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2009, 22:03
sorry, ive been really busy with hosting my game, didnt expect it to be so hard :sweatdrop:
whats happened? i just loads of people voting Jolt, if i can get a very concise summary then that would be uber good :bow:
thanks
There was no Vode kill on a night when jolt was roleblocked, a detective got a guilty result on him, and Jolt confessed.
Captain Blackadder, it has been decided that you must post your role pm. For the good of the town.
I agree with this.
LittleGrizzly
03-24-2009, 22:05
sorry, ive been really busy with hosting my game, didnt expect it to be so hard :sweatdrop:
whats happened? i just loads of people voting Jolt, if i can get a very concise summary then that would be uber good :bow:
thanks
CA's some bad ass god that is a serial killer
I am the watcher and died attacking CA
Jolts mafia and even confessed
Theres something new called Iffo we have to kill...
I agree that captain blackadder should reveal his role... in full...
CountArach
03-24-2009, 22:35
CA is innocent. Kill Jolt.
I see my source did indeed get through. Though now I can reveal that my source was Yoyoma, because he has revealed himself. As you can see he has the ability to steal role PMs. I can only assume that he sent the same one to GH.
I willingly submitted myself to being investigated by someone I knew would be able to view my role PM. It was the way we could ensure that myself, Yoyoma and TinCow could trust each other.
Arach and others:
I was mentioned as a possible conduit for information from an as-yet undisclosed 3rd party. No player has contacted me for any purpose in the last 18 hours.
I'm sure Yoyoma would be willing to forward it to you.
Vote: Jolt obviously
i see jolt's quite bummed then lol
Vote: Jolt
what about CA? didnt he kill the watcher?
CountArach
03-24-2009, 23:55
what about CA? didnt he kill the watcher?
Yes but that was in self-defence.
Heh, sorry for being suspicious, just that I would have never expected such a free sharing of info in this game. :bow:
And it helped me immensely. :P
Gaius Scribonius Curio
03-25-2009, 00:23
Lynch Jolt. As with Aries he isn't denying his position as sorceror of Vode. CA did kill the Watcher, but seriously, if you got attacked in the middle of the night, wouldn't you kill the assailant?
I'd say keep CA around for a bit, who knows, this Iffo character could be more trouble. Perhaps the assistance of a God (albeit a fallen one) might be required, perhaps he could redeem himself?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 01:23
Heh, sorry for being suspicious, just that I would have never expected such a free sharing of info in this game. :bow:
So.... I was not the only one creating a pro-town network. :smash:
Given we must greatly outnumber any scums remaining, and we have so many investigators, I think we need to pool our data. Even if it is just between the investigators themselves. I believe Seamus is still a viable conduit for the information, but these investigators seem to know what they are doing without the sheep herder's assistance.
nevermind; don't think so anymore.
When morning comes, perhaps it will be time to name names from the earlier giant pile o' shepherd PM reveals? Or is it still too soon for that?
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 01:41
Lynch Jolt. As with Aries he isn't denying his position as sorceror of Vode. CA did kill the Watcher, but seriously, if you got attacked in the middle of the night, wouldn't you kill the assailant?
I'd say keep CA around for a bit, who knows, this Iffo character could be more trouble. Perhaps the assistance of a God (albeit a fallen one) might be required, perhaps he could redeem himself?
More likely they will ally.....:sweatdrop: I will need to pull out my trick for this one.....(Can't have Pisuf Ally with Iffo....good thing I was still around...:clown:)
So.... I was not the only one creating a pro-town network. :smash:
Given we must greatly outnumber any scums remaining, and we have so many investigators, I think we need to pool our data. Even if it is just between the investigators themselves. I believe Seamus is still a viable conduit for the information, but these investigators seem to know what they are doing without the sheep herder's assistance.
When morning comes, perhaps it will be time to name names from the earlier giant pile o' shepherd PM reveals? Or is it still too soon for that?
EDIT: Bleh. Nothing to see here, move along.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:09
Wouldn't... be... huh? :stars:
I was already acting as a townie. >_>
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:19
The operative word, and if I may quote Jon Lovitz: "ACTING!"
Did you read the original message?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:22
Yesh, I have it in my email.
Ok, then consider it my townie opinion.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:32
Once you've been confirmed as a townie, I will. :laugh2:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:45
Oh, by the way, I believe Sasaki recruited Seamus instead of me.
Don't trust Seamus.
He admitted privately again just now that he was a cult leader recruiting people. He wanted to know who my partner was, and I think they've been working together ever since. Either that or he's spreading mistruths to dead people. I think we found our leak, fellers.
GeneralHankerchief
03-25-2009, 03:46
:laugh4:
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 03:51
OK....guys....I will likely die trying to stop CA tonight....in that case you might want to stick to lynching him for two days....and ATPG....I am sorry I lied:shame:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 03:57
It's probably better that you did, given the leaks.
I am glad that many people chose to abstain from sharing information. Now we know who not to trust.
Sasaki and Seamus are out, and as for myself, at least we have exposed traitors in our midst, so I am happy about that.
:shakehands:
And if I am wrong about Seamus, he's already done his deeds for town and nothing I said will stop him from helping out. I wouldn't share any info with either him or Sasaki, though. That's done now. I kind of felt our partnership was going one-way all game, but with Sasaki not recruiting me and asking who my partner was, it seems like a logical thing that he'd recruit Seamus and expose me as being untrustworthy instead.
That would be a Sasaki tactic.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 04:06
The scary part is.....I might only make him stronger....(I might make him immune to lynchs.....:sweatdrop:) But if he Allys with Iffo, Town is doomed.....:skull:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 04:11
I shudder to ask for your real information. I think it's best if I don't.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-25-2009, 04:47
And if I am wrong about Seamus, You are.
he's already done his deeds for town and nothing I said will stop him from helping out....True
.
I kind of felt our partnership was going one-way all game,
That I am sorry for. I actually followed your advice as to revealing -- I'd have waited another day or two to pick up more info. You had done so well, however, that it seemed wrong to run counter to your advice. You and I have very different styles.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 05:00
VOTE JOLT
Hello Captain Blackadder, thanks for playing
Quote:
If thou ever feeleth the desire to striketh another, restrain thyself and burneth a pound of meat to OsiOsi. He will allow thee to bed the wife of thee enemy.
A priest's sermon
You are a Priest
Background:
There are a two prerequisites for becoming a priest:
1) Being old
2) Being a virgin
After that you can worship the gods all the time instead of just on weekends!
Battle Rating:
1 – Devoting yourself to the rituals of the gods leaves little time for military training. The strongest man is the one with the strongest faith as you say.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
That is my role
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 05:05
You are.
Sorry. Given Sasaki's deceptions towards me, and the fact that he wanted to know who you were, plus other odd signs, I have to conclude it is a very real possibility.
Again, I am sorry. There's no way I can know what is really going on. My apologies if I am wrong.
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