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johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:49
FoS Sasaki
I know you know that I don't know why you know that I know what you know.
No FoS for Caius? That's pretty rude Sasaki.
FoS:Chaotix
Now, I know you know that I know you know why I FoS'd you...
Yes, I'm well aware, or at least I can think of a few reasons. Would you care for me to share them, or shall we remain silent but content in understanding each other?
:clown:
In fact, I knew that you knew that I knew that you were going to FoS me for that statement.
FoS: Ichigo
Now, I know that you...
sigh... joke is dead now.
Chaotix you should probably vote Sasaki. It's in your best interest to do so.
Chaotix you should probably vote Sasaki. It's in your best interest to do so.
Why do you think that? And why should I take advice from the person who's voting for me? I haven't yet decided who to vote for, and I may not vote at all.
I don't want to see Sasaki dead so early. If I get a bad feeling about him later in the game, I won't hesitate to vote for him. The first round is not a place to joke lynch a valuable player.
seireikhaan
05-14-2009, 05:27
Unvote: tiberisu
Vote: Johnhuthomsomthingorother
Why do you think that? And why should I take advice from the person who's voting for me? I haven't yet decided who to vote for, and I may not vote at all.
I don't want to see Sasaki dead so early. If I get a bad feeling about him later in the game, I won't hesitate to vote for him. The first round is not a place to joke lynch a valuable player.
Because he's guilty. Because I would unvote you if you did.
Why not? Who said I was joking? I am being serious, very serious.
Beefy187
05-14-2009, 06:27
you say the extremists are killing...and we have low odds of getting the scum.... and still you say we should lynch someone..to me it seems like there is no case against anyone rightnow... so there is a great chance that we might actually help the scum by lynching people (potentially one investigation lesser and one less for the scum to kill).... In this game i think we have a better chance to win if more senators are alive... i understand we can still win after death... but more alive senators = more power to us
Vote: No lynch
I'm surprised I made it in the senate :laugh4:
I suppose our wealth did a little treat..
I meant something along the lines of, "We don't have to lynch now, but lets start lynching soon" as there aren't going to be any comfirmed innocents in this game.
pevergreen
05-14-2009, 08:03
Unvote: Sasaki
HoS: Johnandwhateverelseisthere
Chaotix gets the ToS
Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?
You only need to worry about that if you're up to no good.
In fact, I think it would be better if we all kept the information about the faction we belong to completely top secret.
That information is only relevant for those who want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory instead of just a generic townie victory.
Fishing for faction information is highly suspicious.
Anyone pm'ing you to try to find out to which faction you belong should be watched very closely.
If we want town to win this game, then we should all resist the temptation of backstabbing, betrayal and lying. Stick to the townie team and mafia won't have a chance to win this.
You only need to worry about that if you're up to no good.
In fact, I think it would be better if we all kept the information about the faction we belong to completely top secret.
That information is only relevant for those who want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory instead of just a generic townie victory.
Fishing for faction information is highly suspicious.
Anyone pm'ing you to try to find out to which faction you belong should be watched very closely.
If we want town to win this game, then we should all resist the temptation of backstabbing, betrayal and lying. Stick to the townie team and mafia won't have a chance to win this.
I suspect in usual fashion, a veteran is content to say one thing but go for another, in the belief that others will view it as him going for his glass of wine, believing he is infact telling the truth about his opinion, even if it is easier to simply work with the mafia to gain victory.
It is in my opinion, and most likely only my opinion, the town should endeavor to become informed, and make strides to be less of a mob. If the town has information the mafia does not and is able to coordinate to some degree, then the mafia stand less of a chance.
Another thing is to remove and lynch those who prefer to let the world burn - these will be the traitors to any townie cause, since they are more interested in the aspects of chaos then of necessarily winning.
LittleGrizzly
05-14-2009, 12:07
There is no need for townies to seek any kind of faction information, the only reason to seek out faction information is to participate in a mafia victory.....
Thinking on it i suppose (but its hell of a long shot) if we knew some players identity and we knew the mafia knew those players identity, we could perhaps have a better chance of protecting the right person... thats too much of a long shot to be worth it though... so all faction information helps mafia only...
Unovte
Vote No Proscription/No lynch
Sasaki is up there for joke votes, have no reason i want to lynch chaotix, and the new guy doesn't strike me as paticularly suspicious i think we should continue to question him though...
YLC's last paragraph i agree with... Another thing is to remove and lynch those who prefer to let the world burn - these will be the traitors to any townie cause, since they are more interested in the aspects of chaos then of necessarily winning.
In the absence of a decent case against mafia im happy to remove an unhelpful townie... especially seen as in this game an unhelpful townie can be working towards a mafia victory...
Tally as of Post 264
No Proscription: 6 (TheFlax, navarro951 (failed to unvote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2236560&postcount=202)), Jolt, johnhughthom, atheotes, LittleGrizzly)
Cronos Impera: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Captain Blackadder, Iskander 3.1)
johnhughthom: 2 (Shinseikhaan, pevergreen)
Chaotix: 2 (Cultured Drizzt fan, Ichigo)
Ichigo: 1 (Andres)
Glenn: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 1 (Beskar)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax: 1 (woad&fangs)
Cultured Drizzt fan: 1 (Beefy187)
Abstain: 3 (Khazaar, Caius, Chaotix)
Look like Cronos Impera is getting the lynch then.
everyone
05-14-2009, 12:33
gah! being universal doesn't allow me to be omnipresent, I'll have to observe more.
vote: abstain
gah! being universal doesn't allow me to be omnipresent, I'll have to observe more.
vote: abstain
What a name... sorry, I just have to do this. Just because you have that name and it is only funny the first time.
Unvote: Generalhankerchief
Vote to Lynch: everyone
Ignoramus
05-14-2009, 13:30
Nothing to go on for me, yet.
Vote: Abstain
Look like Cronos Impera is getting the lynch then.
No, actually it looks like there will be No Lynch.
LittleGrizzly
05-14-2009, 14:15
I think everyone should return the favour and vote beskar ~;)
Ok i promise thats my one and only joke using everyone... probably...
Im happy to go for the no lynch today but from there on in we should be lynching every round...
navarro951
05-14-2009, 14:41
Arg,
Unvote: No Pros, Vote:Abstain
I cant even call it now.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 15:05
No lynch is a bad idea. We have a 6/35 chance of lynching mafia--we should take it.
No lynch is a bad idea. We have a 6/35 chance of lynching mafia--we should take it.
6/37
6/37
There have been 2 kills last night...
Unvote : Ichigo; Vote : YLC
It is not in the town's interest to share information about faction. The fact that you disagree makes you scummy imo.
The only reason one would need that info for is a) Senator who wants to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory ; b) mafia looking for recruits.
There have been 2 kills last night...
*Facepalm* Yea for paying attention...
Unvote : Ichigo; Vote : YLC
It is not in the town's interest to share information about faction. The fact that you disagree makes you scummy imo.
The only reason one would need that info for is a) Senator who wants to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory ; b) mafia looking for recruits.
I am not asking information about another faction, where did I say that? No, instead I think it's more important that we as town disregard which faction we are from - it's useless and divisional. If we want a townie win, it will require cooperation, since it's simply too easy to help the mafia as a default position.
Thus, we have to take an offensive approach, lynching being one of them. The second is to create information we know, but the mafia does not, inverting the the games mechanics - it can be done, I've already experimented with ways of doing.
Vote: Andres
Use better reasoning, and don't put words into my mouth. I do not care what faction you are from, I care that you are a true senator, nothing more. You however, wish to stifle the effort I have started to promote town unity while looking like you are infact on it's side.
~:confused:
I stated :
You only need to worry about that if you're up to no good.
In fact, I think it would be better if we all kept the information about the faction we belong to completely top secret.
That information is only relevant for those who want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory instead of just a generic townie victory.
Fishing for faction information is highly suspicious.
Anyone pm'ing you to try to find out to which faction you belong should be watched very closely.
If we want town to win this game, then we should all resist the temptation of backstabbing, betrayal and lying. Stick to the townie team and mafia won't have a chance to win this.
To which your responded:
It is in my opinion, and most likely only my opinion, the town should endeavor to become informed, and make strides to be less of a mob. If the town has information the mafia does not and is able to coordinate to some degree, then the mafia stand less of a chance.
How else should I interprete that than that you disagreed with what I said?
~:confused:
I stated :
To which your responded:
How else should I interpret that than that you disagreed with what I said?
Well then, forgive me for not clarifying, I don't always quote to disagree. I however, believe, and will continue to assert, that the town must be exceptionally proactive this game, and must assert itself as town, not as one faction or another.
And in doing so, take some of the massive information advantage the mafia usually have. It can be done, but requires dedicated people to do so. Second, it will be for general purpose information gathering, a well controlled collective with minimum numbers so as to reduce exposure and manipulation - it will be not for finding factions, which is pointless. Third, under no circumstances should this be used to direct town effort in the Townie Group sense unless it has a counterbalance to make exposed information reliable.
If my idea is created on false assumptions, then they can be refined. If my idea is not practical, another, better one needs to be found, for the good of the town. We must be proactive, we must DO! Otherwise, the default position is to be lazy, and let one mafia group win over the other. Then it devolves into an inquisition, nothing more, where the mafia family no longer has to truly hide and with a handful of cooperative, backstabbing townies/petty hangers on, can secure their victory.
I am currently experiencing some connection problems that are making accessing the Org difficult. If the end of the round write-up is late, this is why. The round will end precisely at the time I previosly indicated, even if I am late with the write-up. Votes cast after that point will not count for the finally tally. The Romans were sticklers on proper procedure, so I will be too.
“Let us not listen to those who think we ought to be angry with our enemies, and who believe this to be great and manly. Nothing is so praiseworthy, nothing so clearly shows a great and noble soul, as clemency and readiness to forgive.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1703/maccaricicero.jpg
The discussions in the Curia Cornelia started in earnest. It did not take long before various Senators started proclaiming some of their colleagues as enemies of the state. Ostensibly, the reasoning they gave was that someone was supporting Caesar, supporting Pompey, or otherwise working to bring down the Republic. However, many of the Senators seemed to be in a vindictive mood, attacking whoever was the latest to speak out against another. Accusations flew this way and that, with attention quickly focusing on one man, before moving just as hastily to another, and then another, and then another…
Throughout the chaos, the occasional voice of calm was raised, reminding the Senators of the horrors inflicted by Sulla’s proscriptions. These men were a small minority of the Senate, but their votes were placed less fickly than the others and once placed they tended to stick.
Near the end of the session, an older man, clad in a fine white toga stood up and waived the other Senators into silence. He launched into a dissertation on Lucius Junius Brutus and the virtues of those Romans who had overthrown the tyranny of the Tarquinian Kings. While his parallels to Caesar and Pompey were obvious for all to see, the eloquence and structure of his words were moving, and eventually even some of the most partisan Senators were nodding in silent agreement. Suddenly, with a flourish, the man turned towards Ichigo and began to lecture him at length on the history of the Republic and the duties of Senators to uphold the laws. At first, Ichigo attempted to refute the man’s arguments, but the rhetorical onslaught eventually overwhelmed him and he found himself beginning to concede point after point. The older man then shifted his statements into an attack on Sasaki Kojiro, and the ensnared Ichigo followed suit. When the man in the fine white toga finally sat down, Ichigo was so convinced that he immediately changed his vote to Sasaki Kojiro.
Even so, clemency and patience appeared to be the predominant sentiments. The Senate remained uncomfortable with the idea of resurrecting the proscription, and the body adjourned for the evening without incident.
No Proscription: 5 (TheFlax, Jolt, johnhughthom, atheotes, LittleGrizzly)
Cronos Impera: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Captain Blackadder, Iskander 3.1)
johnhughthom: 2 (Shinseikhaan, pevergreen)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Ichigo)
Andres: 2 (Yaropolk, YLC)
Chaotix: 1 (Cultured Drizzt fan)
YLC: 1 (Andres)
Glenn: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
everyone: 1 (Beskar)
TheFlax: 1 (woad&fangs)
Cultured Drizzt fan: 1 (Beefy187)
Abstain: 6 (Khazaar, Caius, Chaotix, everyone, Ignoramus, navarro951)
Not Voting: 8 (Greyblades, AggonyDuck, Don Corleone, Glenn, A Very Super Market, Tratorix, Lord Winter, Cronos Impera)
Alive (35):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
Killed (2):
White_eyes:D
mini
Proscripted (0):
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Night II. The deadline for Night II orders is Friday, May 15th at 1:00pm EST.
The new deadline for Night II orders is Saturday, May 16th at 7:00pm EST.
Ohhh, so no proscription is actually a valid choice to have then?
On another note, I have having great difficulties too, which I posted in the Watch-Tower.
On review, there has been a very significant drop-off in posts on the forums as a whole which corresponds to about the same time I began experiencing the forum error. This indicates to me that many people are experiencing it as well and cannot access the forums. For this reason, I am going to extend the deadline for Night II orders until 24 hours after the problem is fixed, whenever that turns out to be. I will post the final time after the forums start behaving themselves again.
Askthepizzaguy
05-15-2009, 18:29
I'm still just a reserve player, but I'm here.
WOOT! :bow: to TinCow for his awesome kproxy kproxyness.
Thank the Heavens! I'm back!
Cronos Impera
05-15-2009, 19:02
I am alive! Too much time sitting in the Curia makes you loony. I'm voting now via Laegatae.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-15-2009, 20:36
ok going camping for a few days, so If I don't vote then you all know why. don't lynch me for the fun of it..... :clown:
Alright, the forums are back online so let's get this thing moving again. It will probably take people a while to realize the forums are up again, so I'm going to be a bit generous with the time limit for Night II.
The new deadline for Night II orders is Saturday, May 16th at 7:00pm EST.
This will be noted in the Day I write-up posts as well.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-15-2009, 20:47
weird what happened to the forums....
I am alive! Too much time sitting in the Curia makes you loony. I'm voting now via Laegatae.
Whyare you eager to be alive?
navarro951
05-16-2009, 06:40
weird what happened to the forums....
ya seriously, you ever get the feeling like your the only one its happening to and your missing out on everything lol.
Cronos Impera
05-16-2009, 13:34
unvote:Ichigo
Vote:Cronos Impera
Perhaps he is excited to have a mafia role.
Assumes Yaropolk is a cesarian--perhaps because he is a pompean. Speaks of yaropolk trying to "control the Senate" and "imposing the senators not to kill"--note that he says "senators" instead of "us".
Returning from the Baths I want to challange Sasaki in the Curia. Though it is the Night Phase, this doesn't mean I can't write.
I am so bold in my statement that I request all Republic-loving senators to start an investigation now. All senators have this ability. I can't investigate myself but anyone who's interested in justice.
Let us remember the townies are divided themselves so we can't say for sure now that the town is united, not with the different agenda like in ordinary mafia games.
So we have 3 factions (Senate, Caesar, Pompei) but since the Senate is divided into 4 factions (pro-town, pro-Caesar,pro-Pompei,undecided), we have something like 6 factions.
Let us remember that each of this factions has the ability to kill a player. Therefore I can't blame for sure any of the 5 factions who could have killed last night, since the undecided could't have killed anyone.
pevergreen
05-16-2009, 15:08
Theres two sides. Populares and whatever the other one is, can't remmeber the name.
They want each other dead.
Or, all the senators can take out the 'mafia'.
Investigating gives us no clues, just which side the people belong to, which is no help.
Splitpersonality
05-16-2009, 16:47
Forum crisis over! Now to get back to the number one thing in my life :clown:
seireikhaan
05-16-2009, 18:28
I repeat my earlier request, on the chance that I was not heard- Caesarians and/or Pompeiians, I would most appreciate it if you would drop by tonight and kill me. Thank you in advance. :bow:
I repeat my earlier request, on the chance that I was not heard- Caesarians and/or Pompeiians, I would most appreciate it if you would drop by tonight and kill me. Thank you in advance. :bow:
Which kind of message is that?
Night II is over. Write-up commencing.
“All things will be clear and distinct to the man who does not hurry; haste is blind and improvident.”
- Titus Livius
https://img38.imageshack.us/img38/838/jacqueslouisdavidbrutus.jpg
Shortly after the Senate went into recess, a messenger came down the Via Vlaminia with disturbing news. At Iguvium, Quintus Minucius Thermus readied to make a stand with his five cohorts. However, the political bent of this rural town, like so many others, was vastly in favor of the Populares, and the shutters and doors of the local buildings were ominously shut to Thermus and his men. When three cohorts of Caesarian legionaries were spotted marching directly towards them, the passive displeasure of the locals began to transform into more active resistance. Insults were the first things hurled, but they were soon followed by spittle, and then rocks. Fearing an attack from within by the townsfolk at the same moment as a frontal assault by Caesar’s cohorts, Thermus withdrew from Iguvium and began to retreat south towards Rome.
Beskar was greatly concerned by this news. It was terrifying proof that Caesar’s threat to Rome was real; his march seemed to be gaining momentum and manpower with every step. With these thoughts in his mind, he tossed and turned, unable to find a restful slumber. He was finally at the verge of drifting off, when an unnatural rustle brought him instantly back to full consciousness. Beskar opened his eyes and sat up on his elbows, peering into the darkness.
He could see nothing, but a vague sense of unease crept over him. No further noises came forth, and soon he was convincing himself that it must have been a cat. Yes, just a cat. Slowly, Beskar relaxed and slid back down into complete recumbence. He closed his eyes and attempted to clear his mind. This proved to be a futile effort, as the sudden presence of a strong hand clasped over his mouth removed any possibility of tranquility.
He tried to scream, but his mouth was held firmly shut and the sound came out as little more than a grunt. His eyes followed the arm back into the darkness, where it terminated in a cold and dispassionate face. Slight movement further back indicated the presence of other men as well. Beskar tried to claw away the hand from his face and rise, but he was pinned the bed and his assailant was too strong for him. He flailed wildly for a few moments, before the man slid his gladius cleanly into Beskar’s throat. As the killers departed, Beskar drifted off into the longest, deepest sleep of his life.
…
The sound of raucous laughter made them stop dead in their tracks. The men glanced at one another hastily; eye contact and tilts of the head conveying an entire conversation in the space of a few moments. The lead man peered around the corner, then looked back at his colleagues. He made a few gestures with his hands and the others nodded in unison. As one, they all slipped their blades from their scabbards; the oiled leather making the movements as silent as they were ominous. There they stayed for a long moment, their muscles tensed and ready for action.
Another peal of laughter echoed through the villa, and as one the men rushed forward, into the light and sound. The scene that greeted them was an unusual one. In the center of the room, Yaropolk was bent over on a couch, his toga stained with wine and his face red from laughter. To his left was a strange woman, her slim body concealed by a thin white gown that left little the imagination. As the men burst into the room, both Yaropolk and the woman turned as one to look upon them. The laughter had told them to be prepared for multiple people, but the sight of the strange woman momentarily froze them in their tracks.
There was a moment of silence as Yaropolk forgot whatever it was that had amused him so, but after a few seconds of gazing at his new guests, his face puckered up in a grin and he burst forth in another bout of riotous frivolity. This broke the trance that the men were in and they moved forwards once again. Smoothly, the woman stood and backed away from the couch, giving the intruders a wry smile and a respectful bow of the head.
Yaropolk was still rolling with drunken laughter when the men reached him. The first gladius to pierce his chest broke the spell, and his eyes widened for a moment in a sober realization of horror. His blood spurted out readily; at first mingling with the wine stains, and then eventually overwhelming them. Their job done, the men turned to scan the room for the woman, but she was long gone. Only a scent of exotic perfume hung in the air.
…
As the Senators began their march past the Capitoline to the Curia Cornelia, their thoughts were clouded with troubles. Caesar marching on Rome, murders in the night, and an indecisive Senate. What other plagues would be unleashed on the city of Romulus? As they took their places in the Senate building, two Populares seats remained ominously empty. Attention was again focused on another piece of parchment which had been nailed to the doors of the Curia during the night. It read:
An investigation into a betting scandal has led to charges against four Senators accusing them of staking thousands of denarii on a certain gladiator to lose.
The head of the City Guard, Aurelius Coppus has stated that there is enough evidence to accuse the Senators involved of match-fixing.
The Senators could face a life ban from the Collosseum if they are found guilty.
The four Senators used cover names and were known among the gladiators as “AggonyDuck”, “Jolt”, “Don Corleone” and “TheFlax”.
Aurelius Coppus also stated: "AggonyDuck is alleged to have placed stakes to the value of approximately 4.500 denarii; Jolt 3.500 denarii; Don Corleone 2.000 denarii and TheFlax 1.000 denarii."
The City Guard was alerted after bookmakers in the north-west of the city reported unusual betting patterns in the lead-up to the gladiator duel with higher than usual amounts being staked.
A lengthy investigation has uncovered enough evidence to bring the charges. Rumour has it that the denarii can be traced back to Pompey the Great.
Alive (33):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius
Killed (4):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
Proscripted (0):
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Day II. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Sunday, May 17th at 7:30pm EST.
Another message from Caesar... perhaps he is pointing out those that he's investigated, and found to be Pompeian/Optimates, just in case the Populares senators want to kill them off for him? Surprising for one thing that Pompey isn't doing the same thing- for that reason, I think it's definitely a player, and not TinCow.
:thinking:
Secret messages in the write-ups... Vote: Beefy.
Fillet Royale, anyone? Speak, Beefy.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-17-2009, 00:27
Vote:pevergreen
Vote:pevergreen
Why Sasaki?
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 00:38
Vote:pevergreen
Interesting case, you almost have me convinced.
Interesting case, you almost have me convinced.
Maybe you hide something and he knows.
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 00:43
Maybe you hide something and he knows.
Maybe you're hiding something.
Maybe you're hiding something.
Maybe your being reactionarily paranoid?
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 00:45
Another message from Caesar... perhaps he is pointing out those that he's investigated, and found to be Pompeian/Optimates, just in case the Populares senators want to kill them off for him? Surprising for one thing that Pompey isn't doing the same thing- for that reason, I think it's definitely a player, and not TinCow.
:thinking:
Secret messages in the write-ups... Vote: Beefy.
Fillet Royale, anyone? Speak, Beefy.
What did I do? :sweatdrop:
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 01:18
Maybe your being reactionarily paranoid?
Maybe you arent being paranoid enough?
Maybe you arent being paranoid enough?
I don't need to be paranoid.
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 01:36
I don't need to be paranoid.
I bet 1 denari that pever is going to say
Pever: Well you should be paranoid
Unvote: Beefy,
VOTE: YLC!!!
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PARANOID HE MUST BE MAFIA BECAUSE HE'S NOT PARANOID FROM THE MAFIA YLC IS MAFIA HE IS MAFIA WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM NOW BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA AND THAT MEANS WE WILL WIN WHEN WE LYNCH A MAFIA AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE OTHER ONES!
HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE CALM....
HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE I FOUNDS A MAFIA!
:bow:
Unvote: Beefy,
VOTE: YLC!!!
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PARANOID HE MUST BE MAFIA BECAUSE HE'S NOT PARANOID FROM THE MAFIA YLC IS MAFIA HE IS MAFIA WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM NOW BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA AND THAT MEANS WE WILL WIN WHEN WE LYNCH A MAFIA AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE OTHER ONES!
HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE CALM....
HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE HYPERVENTILATE I FOUNDS A MAFIA!
:bow:
Really now, Hysteria is unnecessary and will only lead to us losing our heads and the senate here.
I fear no Caesarian, nor Pompeian, not because I am one, but because they cannot harm me - let them come, and try.
You're a Praetor or Consul?
Good news, I know who didn't kill me, thought what is funny, I pm'd people a bunch of suspects incase I got killed and then I got killed.
Anyway, being dead, I can't say anything else but have a good game.
seireikhaan
05-17-2009, 02:39
How disappointing...
Vote: Pevergreen
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 02:41
Good news, I know who didn't kill me, thought what is funny, I pm'd people a bunch of suspects incase I got killed and then I got killed.
Anyway, being dead, I can't say anything else but have a good game.
Why didn't I get any? :smash:
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 03:05
Dear 'khaan,
OMGUS,
Yours truly,
pevergreen
Why didn't I get any? :smash:
Neither did I.
navarro951
05-17-2009, 03:22
Wow I have to say these killings seem a bit random to me. Any one feeling as out of the loop as I?
Wow I have to say these killings seem a bit random to me. Any one feeling as out of the loop as I?
I'm not quite sure what are you saying. Can you explain it to me?
Yaropolk
05-17-2009, 03:32
:belly: + :viking: = :skull:
What a way to go!
navarro951
05-17-2009, 03:46
I'm not quite sure what are you saying. Can you explain it to me?
Well like looking over the previous tally, and looking at whose been saying wut, the killings seem to be random.
Good news, I know who didn't kill me, thought what is funny, I pm'd people a bunch of suspects incase I got killed and then I got killed.
Anyway, being dead, I can't say anything else but have a good game.
You can still participate, you just can't reveal your role, your night actions (if any), or communicate by PM. It's in your interests to continue participating in the discussion, because you can still win if both mafia families are destroyed.
Well like looking over the previous tally, and looking at whose been saying wut, the killings seem to be random.
The lynchs seems to be carried by newbie players, I'd say.
It's a shame because I have a big clue who my killer could be because I sent them a message and strangely for them, they didn't reply and I ended up dead. Unfortunately, my communicate by PM could wrap an argument against them. :P
Nah, one of them is a Veteran.
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 04:00
It's a shame because I have a big clue who my killer could be because I sent them a message and strangely for them, they didn't reply and I ended up dead. Unfortunately, my communicate by PM could wrap an argument against them. :P
Nah, one of them is a Veteran.
I'm guessing that includes your buddies in Swords in the moon.
Seeing, me and Caius didn't get any, you only contacted about 6 or less fellows, and you have a strong feeling that one of them at least is the killers.
It's a shame because I have a big clue who my killer could be because I sent them a message and strangely for them, they didn't reply and I ended up dead. Unfortunately, my communicate by PM could wrap an argument against them. :P
Nah, one of them is a Veteran.
You are free to name your suspect or otherwise cast suspicion on whoever you want. Just don't give any info on your previous actions or results, if you received any. It's common for dead people to say stuff like, "Lynch TinCow, I think he killed me" and other such things. It's then up to the rest of the players to figure out how credible your statements are, or to find ways to corroborate them.
Not sure how much I am allowed to say. Rules state I can't talk about "communicate by PM", I am guessing that includes the number.
Problem is, there are a few people I suspect of being power roles, the thing is, which was the killer by remember what pm/replies. However there is the rule on that. There is only one that comes to mind.
I was wrong then. Looks like they are trying to appear to be newbies.
Sorry.
Not sure how much I am allowed to say. Rules state I can't talk about "communicate by PM", I am guessing that includes the number, but I think I can say I suspect one of them was my killer or links with the killer.
The rules only prevent you from PMing other players about the game after you are dead, they do not prevent you from posting in here. You are free to speak publicly as much as you want, within the limits imposed by the rules, which I have just gone over.
Not sure how much I am allowed to say. Rules state I can't talk about "communicate by PM", I am guessing that includes the number, but I think I can say I suspect one of them was my killer or links with the killer.
I think you can say who you sent the PM, yet you can't reveal what was inside the PM's that you sent.
I was wrong then. Looks like they are trying to appear to be newbies.
Sorry.
It seems to be a common strategy lately. Of course, they won't continue to look like newbies once all of the newbies are dead... they've killed off three new-ish players already.
I just hope it doesn't discourage them from playing mafia in the future...
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 04:18
It seems to be a common strategy lately. Of course, they won't continue to look like newbies once all of the newbies are dead... they've killed off three new-ish players already.
I just hope it doesn't discourage them from playing mafia in the future...
They can join Fillet Royale and hope they get a better run :laugh4:
Back to topic, FoS: Caius and Chaotix
Not a big FoS.. But I find it strange how you both are shouting "newish senators killed.. Shame on the killers." Almost as if they are trying to appear on the good side. WIFOM I know, but I'm just tossing up the ideas.
But I find it strange how you both are shouting "newish senators killed.. Shame on the killers."
You know? You misunderstood. I am saying that killings are carried by newbies, not that the lynched ones. And I know, I wrote "the lynchs are made by newbies" when I meant "the killings..."
I sent TinCow a pm, to make sure it is within the rules. Sorry to be a pain to everyone here and him, I don't want to accidently ruin the game, so it is to make sure.
However, I did edit my last post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2238372&postcount=329), before I realised people responded and quoted it. However, I would recommend a re-reading of it.
navarro951
05-17-2009, 05:23
Vote:navarro951
?? okay
Vote: Ichigo
?? okay
Vote: Ichigo
Hey! What was that for? I'm pretty sure that was an unprovoked attack.
Why do you think the kills were random?
?? okay
Vote: Ichigo
?? okay... why would you vote for him?
navarro951
05-17-2009, 05:32
Hey! What was that for? I'm pretty sure that was an unprovoked attack.
Why do you think the kills were random?
unprovoked? you just voted for me! And as i said there have been no major feuds so it has occurred to me that the bigger roles are straying in the dark is all.
unprovoked? you just voted for me! And as i said there have been no major feuds so it has occurred to me that the bigger roles are straying in the dark is all.
I don't remember you saying that. You said you felt "out of the loop", but that probably means your in someone's loop.
:laugh4:
Ichigo is awesome.
This is part of what I asked TinCow to approve or not, so this is a cutback version of it.
I pm'd roughly 12-14 players in the beginning, my aim was to establish a private townie network. One way I did this was firstly send an very open ended offer, I did not mention my role and I stated I don't care what other peoples roles are. After all, I was interested in condition one and not two.
This is important because 2 of the replies demanded to know what faction I was.
Why would they do this? Only logical reason was because they were either consul/praetor or pomp/caesar or planning for win condition 2.
As for who my killer was, I left a big clue in my edited post.
:laugh4:
Ichigo is awesome.
How am I awesome?
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 05:56
How am I awesome?
Stand back! I gotta practice my STABBING! YAH YAH!
Vote: Ichigo
Stand back! I gotta practice my STABBING! YAH YAH!
Vote: Ichigo
Why the hostility?
Stand back! I gotta practice my STABBING! YAH YAH!
Stabbing?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-17-2009, 06:00
OOC:
As a sign of trust, I will say the suspicious names from replies I have received, just for further reference such as my departure from the game.
navarro951 - Overly concerned about my faction, wouldn't agree to anything unless stated.
pevergreen - Overly concerned about my faction, wouldn't agree to anything unless stated.
GeneralHankerchief -Dilberately avoided my private message.
pevergreen, why were you overly concerned about beskar's faction?
pevergreen, why were you overly concerned about beskar's faction?
I think we should all be overly concerned about the fact that navarro is mafia. That's pretty scary stuff don't you think?
pevergreen
05-17-2009, 06:05
I think we should all be overly concerned about the fact that navarro is mafia. That's pretty scary stuff don't you think?
+1
Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Sasaki
(as for the stabbing line, its a line from futurama thats come up in the D&D group I go to, it causes much hilarity)
Hah, nevermind, i don't have to say anything.
Both are scared. I mean, navarro votes Ichigo because he accuses him of being mafia. pevergreen votes Ichigo with a lame excuse and then he shifts the vote to Sasaki. Twice he did not say why. Or eluded to do so. Senators, what is going on here?
Well, in reference to what Sasaki posted, that is my view on them. Out of the 12-14 people I pm'd, those two stood out with the whole faction thing. I don't think my killer was posted in the message of that though.
seireikhaan
05-17-2009, 06:20
Unvote: Pever
Vote: Navarro
BANDWAGON
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 06:21
Are we allowed to start declaring who we are?
I mean most of us don't have anything to hide and if people like Antony and Pompey Jr are around, then those would be the extremest won't they?
We can protect investigaters if they are any.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-17-2009, 06:24
Are we allowed to start declaring who we are?
I mean most of us don't have anything to hide and if people like Antony and Pompey Jr are around, then those would be the extremest won't they?
We can protect investigaters if they are any.
No. Each character name is historical--so to post your name is to reveal your faction. And that is not to our advantage.
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 06:29
No. Each character name is historical--so to post your name is to reveal your faction. And that is not to our advantage.
All we have to do is getting rid of Caesarians and Pompeiians yea?
By doing this we may be able to find the extremest.
Then we can organise protection to those like Consuls
Also there is a dispute between Populares and Optimums.
Unvote: Pever
Vote: Navarro
BANDWAGON
LYNCH THE BANDWAGONER HE MUST BE TEH MAFIA IT SAYS SO IN DA RULES THAT BANDWAGON IS A MAFIA SCUMMER THING TO DO SO KHAAN IS MAFIA.
UNVOTE, VOTE: KHAAN
So, no one else thinks navarro is scum?
Splitpersonality
05-17-2009, 07:10
So no one else thinks chaotix is nuts? :clown:
So no one else thinks chaotix is nuts? :clown:
Am I your alter-ego?
Splitpersonality
05-17-2009, 07:19
Or am I your splitpersonality? :clown:
seireikhaan
05-17-2009, 07:27
So, no one else thinks navarro is scum?
I wanna make a naughty post about me having your back right now, but I feel it will just go horribly wrong...
I wanna make a naughty post about me having your back right now, but I feel it will just go horribly wrong...
Probably a wise decision. :laugh4:
AggonyDuck
05-17-2009, 11:25
Also there is a dispute between Populares and Optimums.
Which we can choose to ignore and instead work together to rid Rome of Tyrants. For Now:
Vote: Abstain
@Beskar: How did you decide which people to write? And why didn´t you write to everybody, if you wrote to 12 people there´s a big chance that you had mafia in there already...
Not sure how much I am allowed to say. Rules state I can't talk about "communicate by PM", I am guessing that includes the number.
Problem is, there are a few people I suspect of being power roles, the thing is, which was the killer by remember what pm/replies. However there is the rule on that. There is only one that comes to mind.
navarro951 is the only one with a number in his username.
Vote : navarro951
Can you post your pm conversation with Beskar, please?
Beefy187
05-17-2009, 13:17
navarro951 is the only one with a number in his username.
:sweatdrop:
:sweatdrop:
From those named by Beskar (as quoted by Sasaki), that is.
pevergreen, why did you vote Sasaki?
LittleGrizzly
05-17-2009, 13:24
Lol, Beefy care to confirm whether or not you had a conversation with Beskar, if not it would appear to be navarro...
*scratches head*
Vote Abstain for the moment... hopefully change to something meaningful in a few hours...
Fellow Senators! It appears that yet again there have been murders tonight. It is clear that these will not halt until something is done with its vile perpretrators. Throughout this session, despite the flinging accusations that are common with last day, noble Ichigo has accused noble navarro of being a partizan, bent only on fulfilling the wishes of his master, whoever that may be, and contrary to the interests of the Republic. Though he has no clear argument to support his view both the behaviour of navarro and noble pevergreen have been extremely suspicious, but that doesn't prove anything. Still, not only due to that fact, but also due to the continual assassinations, I will no longer oppose Proscription measures, but I will not accuse someone I am not sure that is guilty.
Proscript: Abstain
Correct Vote Tally (I think):
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Chaotix)
pevergreen: 1 (Sasaki)
navarro: 3 (Ichigo, Khaan, Andres)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 3 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt)
Haha, I like Andres thinking. It could be reference to number in username or that part could just be a reply to (Beefy?) who wondered how many I asked and I was referring to the number I sent messages too, which would mean that wasn't the clue I was trying to drop. Unfortunately, I don't want to outwardly name my killer, as I could be wrong... but I left a clue in the message for those who would try to decipher it and want it as a tip.
@Khazaar: Basically, I randomly picked from usernames on the list which I would either had a neutral or positive relationship with from the list. Obviously, if I was trying to establish a network together, I had to metagame guess a little to who would might have complied. I keep the number small because if all 8 power roles got the message, my chances would have been far slimmer. Since 3 have been named, I will explain why I messaged them initially.
Pevergreen - He does the vanilla mod and seems a nice guy, he also tried to get me to be one of the infamous pevers too.
GeneralHankerchief - Swords of the Moon, we were both on the infamous innocent list and were the last two survivors at the time, so a slight possible kinship from that.
Navarro - Completely neutral relation with, as I haven't played a game with him before.
Vote: Abstain
I would like to hear much more from this Navarro first before we move to condemn him. The current evidence, in the light in which it was gathered, makes me highly suspicious of it's reliability.
Hm, Beskar could you be less cryptic and just FoS your suspect?
Splitpersonality
05-17-2009, 16:39
Numbers may not just refer to a username, there could be an alliance system that works between people by using numbers.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's one set up already.
i.e.
PM's back and forth
To person 1 from organizer: "I'd like to kill tonight, are you in?"
Person 1 back "Sure"
To person 2 from organizer: "I'd like to kill *name* tonight, we already have another person, let's call him number 1 for now, are you in?"
Et cetera.
At some stage, yes, all 4 conspirators would have to know names, but maybe someone slipped up and said a name with a number, something that someone could use to figure out (another PM recipient?)
All speculation of course :rolleyes2:
Sorry Andres, I want to see if anyone picked up on it. I still want to have a little fun as it was the Last Night I was alive, after all.
Unvote : navarro951; vote : pevergreen
He seems scummier to me than navarro.
a) Why did you vote Sasaki; b) why did you insist that Beskar would tell you his faction?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-17-2009, 17:01
OK Back. wow, I now have no idea what the hell is going on.... :sweatdrop:
so Vote: abstain, I would try and sort everything that just happened out, But I am tired as hell.
Sorry Andres, I want to see if anyone picked up on it. I still want to have a little fun as it was the Last Night I was alive, after all.
It would be more helpful if you'd just name your suspect instead of letting us waste time reading clues in your post that aren't there.
woad&fangs
05-17-2009, 17:22
vote: pevergreen for wanting to know beskar's faction.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-17-2009, 17:54
ohh, for anyone who wants to know, both Tiberius of the drake, and I were contacted by Beskar. in fact night 2 he contacted me asking for help with a vigilante kill, but never sent the final details.
Tally.
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Chaotix)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, Andres, W&f)
navarro: 2 (Ichigo, Khaan)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 4 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC)
We are lacking evidence of pevergreen being mafia. Ichigo claims navarro to be mafia. Those clues are very weak to cast a vote. Vote:No Proscription
johnhughthom
05-17-2009, 18:15
Vote:Abstain
I just realised the difference between abstaining and voting for no lynching (~:idea::shame:) and there is still nobody I am suspicious of.
navarro951
05-17-2009, 18:31
You kno what...I actually like to play these games and it seems everyone is bandwagoning or just voting to be funny. Ichigo voted for me...whatever.
Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Abstain.
There is the fact you demanded to know what faction I was.
You kno what...I actually like to play these games and it seems everyone is bandwagoning or just voting to be funny. Ichigo voted for me...whatever.
Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Abstain.
Anger... you've got two votes. Hardly a bandwagon. But why are you angry?
navarro951
05-17-2009, 18:34
There is the fact you demanded to know what faction I was.
Well you approached me in complete randomness, and with no backing. I wanted to at least know who you were from so that i would not end up an easy target if you have friends er sumthing in this game.
navarro951
05-17-2009, 18:37
Anger... you've got two votes. Hardly a bandwagon. But why are you angry?
Im not saying the bandwagon is on me, im saying everyone is voting for :daisy: and giggles. No one is presenting any case to their vote. At least Beskar has his suspicions cuz he got killed. He approached all those people, and because i wanted to know what factions he was (actually hoping to befriend him) i am the bad guy.
Also, his response to me asking his allegiance was..."My allegiance is simply this, I am a friend of Rome and the Senate. You have nothing to fear from me as I will for the betterment of the people."
Now how am i supposed to take that and simply believe it? If i could of killed him wouldnt it of been that round? We hadnt spoke at all after that.
That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.
Pevergreen did the same thing as well.
Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.
Im not saying the bandwagon is on me, im saying everyone is voting for shits and giggles. No one is presenting any case to their vote. At least Beskar has his suspicions cuz he got killed. He approached all those people, and because i wanted to know what factions he was (actually hoping to befriend him) i am the bad guy.
Also, his response to me asking his allegiance was..."My allegiance is simply this, I am a friend of Rome and the Senate. You have nothing to fear from me as I will for the betterment of the people."
Now how am i supposed to take that and simply believe it? If i could of killed him wouldnt it of been that round? We hadnt spoke at all after that.
Well, if you were doing the same you probably could, but since you aren't I guess it would be hard. No, since he would point you out, but you still decided to kill him too early it seems.:sweatdrop:
Who were you PMing?
navarro951
05-17-2009, 18:46
That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.
Pevergreen did the same thing as well.
Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.
Woah! Liar! I never messaged you back, after that message I felt completely suspicious and left it at that. Dont make off with this one. I never said "you arent good enough" so dont even start with the lies friend.
Well, if you were doing the same you probably could, but since you aren't I guess it would be hard. No, since he would point you out, but you still decided to kill him too early it seems.:sweatdrop:
Who were you PMing?
First of all, i did not kill him. And no i couldnt, just because his message seemed all friendly and harmless i am supposed to just put my guard down. Dont think so.
Woah! Liar! I never messaged you back, after that message I felt completely suspicious and left it at that. Dont make off with this one. I never said "you arent good enough" so dont even start with the lies friend.
Not a lie, it would have been a mistake. If it wasn't you, it was Pevergreen that replied with that.
First of all, i did not kill him. And no i couldnt, just because his message seemed all friendly and harmless i am supposed to just put my guard down. Dont think so.
Are you sure? Only someone concerned with eliminating the other faction would be concerned with what faction people are in. Only someone who already has abilities wouldn't want to be apart of a group, which would give them some abilities.
navarro951
05-17-2009, 19:02
Not a lie, it would have been a mistake. If it wasn't you, it was Pevergreen that replied with that.
Well pever may off, but our las message was the one of you telling me who you were, i ended it at that as to make no more confrontations between us.
Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.
Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.
I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.
Well you approached me in complete randomness, and with no backing. I wanted to at least know who you were from so that i would not end up an easy target if you have friends er sumthing in this game.
Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me. :shrug:
navarro951
05-17-2009, 20:36
Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.
I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.
Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me. :shrug:
perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.
perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.
Why would you prefer a faction over the other unless you are pursuing a faction based victory? Who exactly don't you trust?
navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.
Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen
No more ":daisy:&giggles" votes from me. :laugh4:
EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.
Splitpersonality
05-17-2009, 21:15
It could be that his orders are ambiguous, I'm sure there are seanators who don't have to stay with their original faction.
I'm sure with time and maybe some money an allegiance can change...
With that in mind, the argument against pever seems about right.
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: Abstain
We need some way to organzie ourselves without the faction identity...
navarro951
05-17-2009, 21:25
navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.
Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen
No more "shits&giggles" votes from me. :laugh4:
EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.
OMG there is light at the end of the tunnel, you explained my point better than i did, see gents? At least one person knows when to put those little red flags up and do some investigation. I felt targeted what can I say?
EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.
I understand what you are saying, and navarro was right to be suspicious. Yet, knowing someone's faction is completely useless unless you are going for a faction based victory. Beskar revealing himself as Populares or Optimates would not have made him less suspect, especially since he could have lied easily. At the moment it looks to me as a misstep from navarro's part, but I am still somewhat weary of his intentions.
I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.
I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.
Yeah, get used to it. I am starting to notice it is a regular thing here. I remember a game where I pointed out some one was a ninja, and because they didn't listen, that Ninja ended up winning the game. :beam:
Something to do with Samurai.
Also, I know about a point splitpersonality made and I have to say, I know exactly what you are talking about.
Something to do with Samurai.
SotM you mean?
GeneralHankerchief
05-17-2009, 23:09
Not much time to peruse things.
Vote: navarro
Because apparently Ichi got a guilty result on him. If this isn't the case, let me know.
Correct tally (methinks)
pevergreen: 5 (Sasaki, Andres, W&f, Chaotix, Splitpersonality)
navarro: 3 (Ichigo, Khaan, GH)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 6 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC, TheFlax, khazaar)
No Proscription: 1 (Caius)
Not much time to peruse things.
Vote: navarro
Because apparently Ichi got a guilty result on him. If this isn't the case, let me know.
I thought guilty results were only for the Praetors/Consuls. Is Ichigo a Praetor/Consul? Is YLC a Praetor/Consul? It would certainly be nice to know these things....
Captain Blackadder
05-18-2009, 00:51
Vote Pevergreen
His reaction to this just seems scummy to me.
Beefy187
05-18-2009, 00:54
Vote: Navaro
Seeing as pever havn't survived through early game for a while.
“Nothing is so unbelievable that oratory cannot make it acceptable.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
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The Senate was greatly animated by the events at hand. The complacency and readiness to forgive that was the hallmark of the previous day had long since vanished; the terror of the moment pushed the leaders of the Republic to action. The debate quickly centered upon two individuals who were accused of suspicious activities and potential involvement in the death of Beskar the previous night. Both pevergreen and navarro951 were accused of being excessively partisan, too concerned with the political orientation of the other Senators, and not sufficiently concerned with the welfare of the Republic itself.
navarro951 attempted to explain his actions and to refute the charges brought against him. After some vigorous debate, a large number of Senators appeared satisfied with his explanations. The majority then began to focus their accusations on pevergreen alone. His response was silence, and this was unacceptable. The votes thus swung towards pevergreen, and as the session neared its end, the Republic’s first proscription since the time of Lucius Cornelius Sulla seemed certain.
As the light grew dim, an older man in a fine, white toga rose and began to speak. He discussed the evidence against the two accused, weighing the pros and cons of the cases against them. His rhetorical style was flawless, and soon the Curia was engrossed in his speech. The older man turned now to spL1tp3r50naL1ty, who, like the others, was paying keen attention to the orator. He began scolding spL1tp3r50naL1ty for his vote on pevergreen, and laid forth a case against navarro951 that made spL1tp3r50naL1ty’s vote seem not only foolish, but personally embarrassing. The older man lectured spL1tp3r50naL1ty on how navarro951 was the only reasonable person to vote for, and that to do any less would be moronic. Finally, spL1tp3r50naL1ty threw up his hands in exasperation and changed his vote to navarro951.
As soon as the older man sat down, another man rose in his place. This one was middle-aged, and his toga was plain and worn, almost to the point of appearing soiled; yet the man’s perfect posture and haughty gaze were more reminiscent of the highest orders of aristocracy. He lectured the Senate at length on the evils of corruption and the necessity of doing the proper thing at all times, regardless of the cost. The focus of his inquisition quickly became Andres, who he began hammering with numerous stoic quotations on duty and tradition. Andres attempted to refute the middle aged man’s statements, but he might as well have been arguing with the wall of the Curia itself. The man was stubborn beyond belief and he would neither budge from his position, nor lay off his verbal assault. Eventually it became too much for Andres, and he conceded victory to his opponent, and changed his voted to navarro951.
With the final debates finally over, the tally was taken and navarro951 was found to be the man chosen for proscription. As the results were read, navarro951’s face whitened in horror and he began looking around wildly at his fellow Populares for help. None moved to aid him, and in panic he fled out of the Curia and into the streets of Rome. He did not get far. The proscription had been announced from the Rostra at the same time as inside the Curia, and the ever-present forum mob eagerly set upon navarro951. All knew that whoever killed a proscripted man would receive part of that man’s estate, and thus all competed to be the first to slay him. As the victorious members of the mob paraded navarro951’s bloody body through the streets, the Senate adjourned for the evening.
navarro951: 6 (Ichigo, Shinseikhaan, GeneralHankerchief, Beefy187, Andres, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
pevergreen: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, woad&fangs, Chaotix, Captain Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (pevergreen)
No Proscription: 1 (Caius)
Abstain: 9 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC, Cultured Drizzt fan, johnhughthom, navarro951, TheFlax, Khazaar)
Not Voting: 12 (*Greyblades, everyone, Tiberius of the Drake, *Don Corleone, *Glenn, *A Very Super Market, Iskander 3.1, atheotes, *Tratorix, *Lord Winter, Ignoramus, *Cronos Impera)
* = Have failed to vote twice in a row.
Alive (32):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius
Killed (4):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
Proscripted (1):
navarro951
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Night III. The deadline for Night III orders is Monday, May 18th at 8:00pm EST.
Note: I am very disappointed in the participation rate. All those who miss a third vote will certainly be WoGed unless they have otherwise been participating in the discussions. If you know of anyone not currently listed as a replacement who might be interested in taking over for one of the soon-to-be-evicted players, please let me know. I would far prefer to replace people than kill them outright.
Splitpersonality
05-18-2009, 01:45
Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P
Beefy187
05-18-2009, 01:48
Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P
You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.
Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.
You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.
Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.
What is interesting is that both of them had voted pevergreen and both of them got their vote shifted to navarro. Coincidence?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 01:54
strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.
Splitpersonality
05-18-2009, 01:54
Whoa, I just read up and I did get vote shifted.
Not my ability, whoa that's weird.
Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.
Beefy187
05-18-2009, 01:56
Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.
There is equal chance of pevergreen being framed.
Either way, pevergreen will have to go soon.
GeneralHankerchief
05-18-2009, 01:57
What's interesting is that we've gone from one vote shift to two. We'll have to see if there's three tomorrow - if there is, we're in big trouble.
strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.
Most probably to screw with our heads. Anyway, a lot of people had already voted for pevergreen, so unless a better target presents itself, I'm pretty sure he'll be voted in the next day.
Things to remember:
To the best of our knowledge, we need at least a 5 vote lead to guarantee a lynch.
Thus, we need more active players; the less people vote, the more powerful are the vote shifters. (Assuming they are two.)
Edit: Good point GH, I hadn't noticed that. Then again, we so many inactive players, perhaps one of the vote shifters was inactive. (Still assuming they are two here.)
My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.
Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.
EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.
Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 02:06
but they must have realized that? I mean its such a obvious ploy.
Beefy187
05-18-2009, 02:06
My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.
Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.
EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.
Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.
Most likely two somebodies.
One for Caesarians, and one for Pompeiians.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-18-2009, 02:07
We don't know that the vote shifting is done by mafia.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 02:09
but then why do it? it only makes sense it would be the mafia. unless its pevergreens special, but that doesn't explain the second switch.
Well, there are 1 night kill and 2 other members.. we don't know their abilities, so it could be to make people switch votes.
...Whoa. What. Just. Happened.
The vote shifting was certainly done by two different persons. An old and a middle aged one. Also, navarro was from the Populares faction. From there we can either deduce that the vote shifters were Populares Mafia, and decided to kill navarro to save pevergreen who might be one Caesarian, or they were Optimates Mafia, who decided to kill one Populares follower to frame or save pevergreen, who might be of either faction, or they were townies who knew navarro was Mafia and decided to lynch him, though the write-up isn't quite that clear.
Navarro turns for his Populares colleagues to see if they protected them, which might imply being Mafia and expecting his buddies to step up to protect him, or it may refer to ordinary Populare Senators. And then running away, which might be either running away as a sign of trying to escape the town's decision (Mafia behaviour) or was simply running for his life (Townie behaviour). As to pevergreen, he might be good or bad, being framed or saved (Or simply irrelevant, in case if the vote switchers are townies).
navarro951
05-18-2009, 02:44
Pever is mafia...the vote changes were made to cover his a**.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 02:47
that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)
Beefy187
05-18-2009, 03:30
that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)
He'll take the capital P personal. Thats for sure.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 03:32
??? I dont get it?
navarro951
05-18-2009, 03:55
I love how the guy who doesnt even try to defend himself, then gets defended when it comes down to lynch by some force in the backround and he is left standing. Bad move guys...bad move.
I love how the guy who doesnt even try to defend himself, then gets defended when it comes down to lynch by some force in the backround and he is left standing. Bad move guys...bad move.
:brood:
It's not like it was the town that did it. Obviously, the two that shifted the votes were either mafia, wishing to support the mafia, or had some reason to believe that pevergreen was absolutely innocent. I would suggest one of the first two.
:brood:
It's not like it was the town that did it. Obviously, the two that shifted the votes were either mafia, wishing to support the mafia, or had some reason to believe that pevergreen was absolutely innocent. I would suggest one of the first two.
Town is also partly to blame, too few of us voted and many that did, abstained. (Me included :shame:) With our numbers if we decide to lynch someone, we can pretty much make sure it passes if many of us vote.
Like you say though, I don't think anyone defended pevergreen in the thread itself.
navarro951
05-18-2009, 04:50
Town is also partly to blame, too few of us voted and many that did, abstained. (Me included :shame:) With our numbers if we decide to lynch someone, we can pretty much make sure it passes if many of us vote.
Like you say though, I don't think anyone defended pevergreen in the thread itself.
my point exactly, he was given no defense AND someone helped save him...no argue mafia hands down.
I wish I could make a couple of pm's. :cry:
navarro951
05-18-2009, 06:02
I wish I could make a couple of pm's. :cry:
Ya now you say that...:no:
Having your own little townie network was really cool. The kid inside of me was excited. However, it was cut loose from me too early, so I can only cry swett soft bitter tears.
Iskander 3.1
05-18-2009, 06:34
that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)
I don't think he's an idiot but I agree that he has to go.
And sorry for my brief absence, RL got in the way.
Cronos Impera
05-18-2009, 11:37
Vote: No Proscription
I guess a pattern still fails to emerge between the 4 killings.
Vote: No Proscription
I guess a pattern still fails to emerge between the 4 killings.
What are you doing, running around in the Senate in the middle of the night, voting and all? Does Rome pay double for working at night?
EDIT: Hmmm...
Vote : abstain
*** Waits for denarii ***
Greyblades
05-18-2009, 11:53
Guys its still night phase...
Sorry for not participating much but I'm a little swamped right now.
Captain Blackadder
05-18-2009, 12:05
That is allright Senator Grey. We must await pevergreen and his defence of this situation before we can say anything. Rather then giving in to wild speculation. Anyway it is late at night and I must return to my villa. Will Cicero join me?
That is allright Senator Grey. We must await pevergreen and his defence of this situation before we can say anything. Rather then giving in to wild speculation. Anyway it is late at night and I must return to my villa. Will Cicero join me?
I'd rather have Flora with the platina vagina join me :sweatdrop:
LittleGrizzly
05-18-2009, 13:57
Gah! I stayed up late all night waiting for Flora but she did not arrive!
It appears the town needs to vote in greater numbers to ensure our will is done...for my part ill ensure i get in something other than an abstain vote....
If this vote changing is something they have every round then they would use it every round... regardless of whether it was needed or not... what better than to kill one unconnected townie to you (navarro) and have the other one look suspicious as hell for tommorrows lynch (pever)
I would certainly do such a thing if i was mafia...
I think the most likely case is vote switchers are good guy(s). Vote switcher(s) thought navarro was a better lynch than pever...
and did Ichigo say he investigated someone... i thought we could only find out peoples faction rather than if thier mafia or not...
Tiberius of the Drake
05-18-2009, 20:46
whoa. I was away for the weekend. Whats all this about vote shifting?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-18-2009, 21:43
We dont know, that's the problem. It could be the mafia trying to mess with us, or they may be trying to save Pevergreen. or maybe its a townie..... all we know is that Pevergreens alive because two votes got switched between him and navarro.
Whats all this about vote shifting?
Looks like that some people have the ability to shift votes to change the result of the votation at the end. We must be careful with votations. We do not know if one side or the other have two "shiftvoters" (to give 'em a name), or one have one and the other side has the other. Just we need more time to figure it out, but one thing is clear as water: we must get the mafia in time. Its a must.
LittleGrizzly
05-19-2009, 00:23
Thinking on it if the 'vote shifters' are 2 seperate people then they would be on seperate mafia teams (if they were mafia) so they could just be going for confusion effect... or they could be using thier weapon already so it isn't suspcious when it is all of a sudden used...
Night III is over. Write-up commencing.
“Once killing starts, it is difficult to draw the line.”
- Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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After the Senate adjourned, more news came down from the north. Shortly after his retreat from Iguvium, Quintus Minucius Thermus began experiencing difficulties with his cohorts. Many of the men had served with Caesar in Gaul, and the closer their favored commander’s armies came, the more their loyalties wavered. Thermus had gone no more than a few miles when the first men started breaking away from the column. The small mutiny quickly spread to the entire force, and soon all but Thermus and his officers were turning back towards Iguvium to enlist in Caesar’s service. Thermus and his loyal staff fled south in panic with only a handful of men. Instead of being blocked at Iguvium, Caesar has only been made stronger.
pevergreen was unsure of what to make of the latest developments. The return of the proscriptions alone were enough to make any man uneasy, and pevergreen was concerned that his name would be the next on the list. Still, he did his best to keep his spirits up and continued to receive callers at his villa. Shortly before midnight, there was an urgent rap on his door. Some of pevergreen’s servants answered and found a few plainly dressed men asking to see the master of the house. The men were shown in, and pevergreen came out to greet them.
At the sight of him, the men threw back their night cloaks to reveal drawn pugios in their hands. A female slave screamed, startling the killers, and giving pevergreen just enough time to turn on his heels and run. He bolted for the rear exit through the culina, but when he reached that door he found a second group of men battering it down. In panic, pevergreen bolted towards his bedroom, but the sound of his sandals slapping on the marble drew the attention of yet another group of men who were roaming the halls with knives, their method of entry unknown. In a T shaped intersection, pevergreen found himself surrounded by armed men closing in from all sides. As if the matter were not hopeless enough, a fourth group turned the corner, adding to what was already hopeless odds.
pevergreen tried to reason with the men, but they were not there to negotiate. He shielded himself with his toga, but the thin cloth was of no protection against the sharp daggers. The stabs came slowly and clumsily, and pevergreen was cut a great many times before one finally struck home into his heart. The large group of men departed, leaving the butchered corpse lying sprawled on the floor.
…
Glenn was at home, amusing himself with a beautiful slave girl. Both he and the girl were heavily intoxicated, and several other semi-nude slaves were well on their way to stupefying inebriation. Glenn’s freedman advisor had scolded him numerous times over the previous few days for failing to even attend the Senate session. Senate?! Why would anyone go to the damnable Senate when there were beautiful, drunken, naked girls at home whom he could do with what he pleased?! The temerity of that man was unbelievable… he would have to be replaced. What kind of age was it when a Roman could not enjoy the pleasures of a slave or seven in the privacy of his own villa without being scolded?
Unfortunately for Glenn, drunken, naked slave girls are as ineffective as bodyguards as they are effective at… other things. It was not difficult for the gladii-armed attackers to burst into his villa and slaughter him. After the act was done, one of them looked at his sprawled body and expressed amazement that a man could ever look so happy in death.
…
Ichigo was strolling through the halls of his villa, enjoying the fine artwork with which he had so carefully decorated the dwelling. With the recent murders, Rome was in a low simmering panic, and the streets were not safe for pleasure walks. His servants bowed and groveled as Ichigo walked by; actions that he enjoyed. It was indeed a good decision to invest in these decorations to provide domestic amusements on nights like these.
As he rounded a corner into a side courtyard, he saw several men blocking his path. He scowled at them, daring as they did to look at him so disrespectfully. Servants should know their place, and these men clearly did not. He was about to scold them and order them to be whipped when as one they pulled gladii from behind their plain clothes. So, assassins it was then? How rude.
Ichigo cocked his head and raised an eyebrow at them, daring them to get on with whatever vile business they were about. The men needed no invitation, and they charged, blades raised. As if from nowhere, several men appeared near Ichigo from side galleries. They raised weapons and countercharged the onrushing men. Clearly outnumbered and in danger of being surrounded in the tight streets, the attackers turned on their heels and fled deeper into the villa. Ichigo’s protectors attempted to follow them, but the villa was so vast that they were able to disperse and escape with ease. Ichigo finished his walk, wondering whether he should invest in more locks.
…
Andres was deep in thought about the events that had transpired in the Senate. It was not so much the proscription itself that troubled him so much as the method with which the final decision had been made. What was the point of voting if the results were subject to the whims of a few men? The Republic had indeed fallen far. There would certainly be much to discuss in the morning. Without anything further to be done that day, Andres crawled into bed and closed his eyes.
Just as sleep was about to overtake him, Andres heard a cry of alarm from the front of the house. It was one of his servants, and it was a pre-arranged signal for intruders. Andres quickly slipped on his sandals, grabbed the blade he always kept near his bed, and crept close to the door, careful not to expose himself to anyone looking through from the hallway.
As the sounds of battle continued, he advanced in this manner from room to room and hallway to hallway. The screams of fear, pain, and bloodlust led him towards the main courtyard of the villa. Poking his head around a carved column, he saw a grisly scene: several men were lying prone with spreading pools of blood coming from their wounds. They were not Andres’ servants, but they appeared to be defending the villa nonetheless. The one surviving defender was fighting for his life against several other men wielding gladii.
Andres breathed deeply; none of his servants were nearby to aid him. It occurred to him, however, that he was the only one who knew that. Andres cupped his hands to his mouth and yelled as loud as he could, “Abito, Helvius, Proceus, follow me!” He rushed out into the room, brandishing his blade, and screaming as fierce a warcry as he could summon. The attackers, already startled by the prospect of reinforcements, turned and fled at the sight of him. The lone surviving defender, exhausted with exertion, nodded at Andres and disappeared into the night. Andres got little sleep that night.
…
As dawn broke, the Senators filed into the forum for another discussion on what to do about the looming crisis. The Curia was growing noticibly less populated, and there was some whispered discussion about the newly empty seats, one on the Optimates side and one on the Populares side. Even so, attention was again drawn to the doors of the building. This time, two notices had been nailed to it. They read:
Hellos angels, I mean senators. now as I was saying, its good to see that you are all finally lynching, you may all be wondering why we switched the votes off of pevergreen. well keep wondering, that was not me or my men. so please feel free to string him up, he is obviously working for Caesar. speaking of Caesar is he crazy or what, I mean his messages are madness! NO, HIS MESSAGES ARE SPARTAN! (naahhh just kidding). but really I havent got a clue about who the heck he keeps babbling on about, I ask all populares to look at their obviously senile master, he is the future you want? really?
but that's not important, whats important is that you are all idiots! You all whine of how faction are not important, how you can "save the republic" well look at yourselves!!! both I and Caeser have a Freudian Excuse, you have breed us, and now we want our rightful place as heir! there is no going back, the shaft of justice is gone, (wink, wink, nudge nudge, say no more!) so I say to all of you tear down this false facade you have of the past. its the circle of life my friends, you cant stop us. so all of you trying to spread tales of "joy" and peace, just stop. or I promise you will die in seven days (or rather one night). gather together, I ask that all optimates strike their colors, and if you do perhaps I shall even grace you with my presence. if you are found lying about it, well then bye bye. but really, several populare are dead, if you strike your colors you could rule the senate. I am serious! I know this because we have had a hand in killing them. let me just leave it like this, lets play a game, everyone will strike their colors, tomorrow, and join their perspective sides, the sides will break down and investigate each other to make sure we have it all nice a proper, and then they shall lynch each other till no ones left. (did I mention anyone who doesn't reveal will be killed? yeah I should have. I have 5 kills every night, so it would probably be best to go with the flow on this.) yeah I play hard ball, the revolution will not be civilized and all that. but come now, optimates have nothing to fear! we can do this nice and happy like, and many of you will live to suck all the good out of the new regime!
General handkerchief
Ichigo
Sasaki
Andres
Tiberius of the drake
Woad and fangs
Have fun. cheers.
ohh and for those who will argue against me, SCREW THE RULES! I HAVE MONEY!!!!!
It is rumoured that Pompey the Great will divorce his wife, Cornelia Metella.
A gorgeous 18-year-old girl is involved with breaking up Pompey's marriage. A well informed source told us that this unknown girl calls Pompey the Great "daddy", because he really is her father, according to a rumor circulating widely in the province of Latium.
Her mother used to "work" for a man known in certain circles as "AggonyDuck"; already named in a recent betting scandal.
We, however, have discovered that "AggonyDuck" is in fact Senator Caecillius Metellus Scipio, Pompey's right hand and also his father in law!
Pompey, who went to the girl's birthday party and gave her a gold and diamond necklace, said, "I am a friend of this girl and nothing more."
Senator Caecillius Metellus Scipio denies everything.
Maybe the transaction of no less than 1.000.000 denarii has something to do with his sudden amnesia.
Alive (30):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius
Killed (6):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
Proscripted (1):
navarro951
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Day III. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Tuesday, May 19th at 8:30pm EST.
Four assassination attempts? This is getting big. And Pompeius message is most clear to me. Whoever wrote it must certainly knows how to write English very well, but decided to write without capital letters in an attempt to put us off.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-19-2009, 02:03
I am beginning to get the feeling that both of our would-be dictators are completely insane.......
Beefy187
05-19-2009, 02:06
Four assassination attempts? This is getting big. And Pompeius message is most clear to me. Whoever wrote it must certainly knows how to write English very well, but decided to write without capital letters in an attempt to put us off.
Was Pompey telling the optimates to reveal?
Who are these men on the list?
General handkerchief
Ichigo
Sasaki
Andres
Tiberius of the drake
Woad and fangs
Sorry, I couldn't hear the message clearly..
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-19-2009, 02:18
I think so, it seems to be a demand for us to reveal our factions and proceed to slaughter each other... :inquisitive:
don't know about the list, seems to just be there?
Since the Night kills, I will confirm who I suspected was my killer due to various evidence from it.
Problem is, there are a few people I suspect of being power roles, the thing is, which was the killer by remember what pm/replies. However there is the rule on that. There is only one that comes to mind.
I messaged Sasaki as a test, I had a theory that AggonyDuck was in fact a Pomp. Sasaki also messaged me wanting protection for him. I later messaged Sasaki that I believe AggonyDuck was a Pomp, which Caesar apparently revealed tonight. Sasaki never replied to this message and I ended up deader than a dodo.
With this, I suspect Sasaki of also being a Pomp, especially since the protection message was on Night one.
As an added note, AggonyDuck also messaged me saying GeneralHankerchief is a praetor. Pompey just revealed him as an optimate. Make of that as you will.
Greyblades
05-19-2009, 02:26
Dead Townies have little to no reason to lie, Vote: Sasaki
Dead Townies have little to no reason to lie, Vote: Sasaki
Dead Townies may not be dead Townies - there are 2 mafia families this game.
Vote: Abstain - I await your reply to his accusations Sasaki
Just to let you know.
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
I don't care if people are Populares or Optimates, as I messaged those previously, I suggest both Populares and Optimates not reveal their faction identities. You never know, the names listed could be a ploy by Pompey to get Caesar to assissnate those targets, so I would recommend to the Caesar faction not for fall for that ploy either.
Also, my statement has both AggonyDuck and Sasaki listed. Sasaki as my killer if you would like to revenge me, and AggonyDuck for being a Pomp as well.
AggonyDuck may have been exposed by Caesar, but he is still mafia. He's gotta die, no matter what kind of victory you want.
Vote:AggonyDuck
If he turns out to be wrong... then we just stop believing him and his messages.
Tiberius of the Drake
05-19-2009, 02:54
Vote:AggonyDuck
The reveal by caesar seems to be pretty damning evidence.
EDIT: For some reason bold will not work on my crappy 2001 iBook anymore. please accept my vote as valid.
Hmmm...it appears my vote is invalid. However, can we actually trust what the messages say? I think it fair we test it out, and then based upon forthcoming results, dismiss it afterwards, yes.
Vote: Aggony Duck
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2009, 03:32
Standing by as a replacement. Sounds like I'm going to be needed.
Splitpersonality
05-19-2009, 03:38
Vote: AggonyDuck
Beefy187
05-19-2009, 04:43
Vote: AgonnyDuck
seireikhaan
05-19-2009, 04:49
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake
Oh, and all you killers... Its getting very, very lonely in my villa. I would love some sharp, silent company to drop by tonight....
Sasaki Kojiro
05-19-2009, 05:15
Let's protect AggonyDuck, because he got kind of a hard break the last couple games and it's true that he doesn't like lying.
Sasaki
My apologises, I am going to reply OOC.
As you might have gathered, I pm'd a couple of other people, afterall, in a game like this, trying to establish some sort of network is part of the game. Obviously in the beginning, it is simply trying to find friend from foes.
What is amazing, a couple of people have replied to me saying they want to have AggonyDuck investigated. And here, you are wanting to have him protected.
I don't mind some metagaming, but this amount seems quite disturbing. So could I ask what is so special about AggonyDuck? To me, as I am new, he is just another player, but if you was in my position, you would be wondering why his name has come up 3 times from 3 different people.
A have very strong reason to assume AgonnyDuck is an Pompeians or a Consul.
After gathering some information, it appears there was an exception. While majority of the investigations had senators going to a party, his investigation revealed that he was hosting a party which his supporters attended.
Ok. I investigated Duck (N1) and Sasaki (N2) together with Beskar.
Results on both were similar, nothing special in i
Beskar suggested that duck might be a consul or mafia, I saw no reason to believe that however. I don't believe investigations reveal anything important as far as mafia/townie goes.
What I'm more interested in is this:
Sorry, I'm already doing something else with another group tonight. Good luck.
Chaotix
I remember messaging a bunch of people in capo and getting some odd replies from people who ended up being mafia. I suggest that Chaotix's group speak up.
Unfortunately for Andres (as he didn't see these), I got copies of results from other people which revealed a difference in the PM's. Because Sasaki wanted AggonyDuck protected, I tested him with that message, just to see his reply, which he failed to reply.
As I can't reveal anything about night findings, Sasaki quoted Andres which said "results on both were similar".
Probably in one of those kill groups.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-19-2009, 05:29
Unfortunately for Andres, I got copies of results from other people which revealed a difference in the PM's. Because Sasaki wanted AggonyDuck protected, I tested him with a message with my theory, just to see his reply, which he failed to reply.
As I can't reveal anything about night findings, Sasaki quoted Andres which said "results on both were similar".
You said "I think duck is either mafia or a consul" based on the detective result. I disagree that the results will show anything--TinCow has stated that they only show faction:
Senator investigation groups will show the faction of the person they investigate, nothing more.
Curse you, I am not going to go post digging now just before bed.
He alluded to there actually being more than that in one of his posts, however, he is not going to say what.
There is also the thing that i suspected AggonyDuck based from the investigation, Caesar apparently revealed that he is infact, Scipio of the Pompey faction, there is also the fact you wanted him protected and also the fact the night I said to you I suspect him of being a Pompey, I end up dead.
You have to admit yourself, there must be some truth to my comments, or at the very least, should give you a cause for concern.
Iskander 3.1
05-19-2009, 06:09
I'd at least like to hear what AggonyDuck has to say for himself.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-19-2009, 06:12
Curse you, I am not going to go post digging now just before bed.
He alluded to there actually being more than that in one of his posts, however, he is not going to say what.
There is also the thing that i suspected AggonyDuck based from the investigation, Caesar apparently revealed that he is infact, Scipio of the Pompey faction, there is also the fact you wanted him protected and also the fact the night I said to you I suspect him of being a Pompey, I end up dead.
You have to admit yourself, there must be some truth to my comments, or at the very least, should give you a cause for concern.
I don't find the fact that one mafia faction is claiming someone is mafia to be particularly damning (if it's really true I trust they'll kill him themselves at some point) and I don't think the benefits of suggesting a protection for a mafia partner outweigh the risks.
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 08:50
I am Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther, a Rich Senator of the Optimate faction, and a man willing to sacrifice my life to save our great republic from these foul tyrants and their murderous agents. From day one of this conflict, I swore that I would not sit idly by while these bastards stake their claim on our fair city and drag it down into the abyss. Thus I have spent each night investigating, the first night alone and after that with trustworthy senators, building up a circle of senators I could trust to find the agents of the Tyrants and stop them. I will not reveal my circle yet, even if pressured, as our fate as a Republic lies on their shoulders, but I am willing to provide you with almost all other answers.
You said "I think duck is either mafia or a consul" based on the detective result. I disagree that the results will show anything--TinCow has stated that they only show faction:
AggonyDuck claimed that his first investigation revealed more than just the faction the person who he investigated belongs to. I'm not going to name that person, but I strongly advice this person to be protected next night.
Duck claimed to me that he got a special one time ability to investigate alone for one night and he "discovered" a role.
An ordinary Senator wouldn't discover a role. Indeed, investigations by ordinary Senators reveal just the faction.
The two investigation results me and Beskar got were both almost identical. The one I got tonight, after investigating with Duck, was slightly different, but nothing ambiguous whatsoever. I'm now convinced that investigating is a useless activity for ordinary Senators; unless you want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory.
AggonyDuck is no ordinary Senator. The information may be provided by Caesar, but I don't see no reason not to lynch an as good as confirmed scumbag.
Vote : AggonyDuck
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 09:07
Since the Night kills, I will confirm who I suspected was my killer due to various evidence from it.
I messaged Sasaki as a test, I had a theory that AggonyDuck was in fact a Pomp. Sasaki also messaged me wanting protection for him. I later messaged Sasaki that I believe AggonyDuck was a Pomp, which Caesar apparently revealed tonight. Sasaki never replied to this message and I ended up deader than a dodo.
With this, I suspect Sasaki of also being a Pomp, especially since the protection message was on Night one.
As an added note, AggonyDuck also messaged me saying GeneralHankerchief is a praetor. Pompey just revealed him as an optimate. Make of that as you will.
Sigh, you truly are a fool. The men on that list are men that Pompey wants dead, not a list of optimates.
A have very strong reason to assume AggonyDuck is an Pompeians or a Consul.
After gathering some information, it appears there was an exception. While majority of the investigations had senators going to a party, his investigation revealed that he was hosting a party which his supporters attended.
As to the difference in my PM, it has to do with the fact that I'm a Rich Senator, capable of investigating alone once.
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 09:19
AggonyDuck claimed that his first investigation revealed more than just the faction the person who he investigated belongs to. I'm not going to name that person, but I strongly advice this person to be protected next night.
Duck claimed to me that he got a special one time ability to investigate alone for one night and he "discovered" a role.
An ordinary Senator wouldn't discover a role. Indeed, investigations by ordinary Senators reveal just the faction.
The two investigation results me and Beskar got were both almost identical. The one I got tonight, after investigating with Duck, was slightly different, but nothing ambiguous whatsoever. I'm now convinced that investigating is a useless activity for ordinary Senators; unless you want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory.
AggonyDuck is no ordinary Senator. The information may be provided by Caesar, but I don't see no reason not to lynch an as good as confirmed scumbag.
Vote : AggonyDuck
You're actually turning on the guy who's investigating with you? Alright, better reveal all info I have now then as you've definately managed to draw attention to yourself as well and Beskar already revealed what I knew about GH.
Lets start with my Role PM:
“I am not ashamed to confess that I am ignorant of what I do not know.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther (Spinther)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)
There are few family names in Rome as important as those of gens Cornelius, and you have proven that their influence has not faded over the ages. You began your cursus honorum as Aedile in 63 BC, followed by the Praetorship in 60 BC, and finally the glorious Consulship in 57 BC. Despite owing some great political debts to Gaius Julius Caesar, you have remained true to your patrician heritage and are a die-hard member of the Optimates.
The benefits of high office have not passed you by. As governor of Hispania Citerior in 59 BC, and Cilicia from 56 to 53 BC, you acted wisely and fairly, unlike most of your counterparts who sought only to enrich themselves. Instead of material wealth, you earned the esteem of many prosperous and influential Cilicians. While not Roman citizens, they can provide great services to you, their patron, if you ever have need of them.
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.
Special Ability:
(1) Clientela: As a prominent Senator, you have spent a lifetime cultivating an expansive web of connections. All over Rome, men both high and low owe you great obligations. In this time of crisis, you have decided to call in one of your most valuable favors. One of your clients is well-placed inside the household of another Senator, and he will provide you with information. You may investigate alone once. The investigation will show the target's faction and whether the target was active, though not what they were doing.
Here are my three investigations, with factions crossed out:
Night 1:
You send a servant off with a message to your client inside GeneralHankerchief’s villa. Several hours later, the servant returns with a wax tablet inscribed by the client himself. He reports that GeneralHankerchief is firm in his support of the Roman faction and adds a note about unusual activity around the villa last night. Your client signs off with a message indicating that his debt to you is now repayed. You can expect no further aid from that source.
It never revealed a role, but it certainly did hint at one. GH confirmed my suspicions later on.
Night 2:
You send your servants off to watch Andres’ villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch the main entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed plebians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of Andres, who is clearly a Roman.
Night 3:
You send your servants off to watch Shinseikhaan’s villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch the main entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed patricians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of Shinseikhaan, who is clearly a Roman.
You're actually turning on the guy who's investigating with you? Alright, better reveal all info I have now then as you've definately managed to draw attention to yourself as well and Beskar already revealed what I knew about GH.
The fact that we investigated together last night says nothing about your innocence or guilt.
Also, in your first pm you presented yourself to me, saying you knew that both GH and I are innocent. As has been said before, investigations by ordinary Senators don't reveal guilt nor innocence. Why did you say you knew I was innocent? Why the need to say that? And you also wanted to "form a network of innocent Senators", insinuating that our investigations would reveal guilt or innocence. Investigations only reveal faction. Why are you so interested in discovering which faction people belong to?
Sorry, Duck, but I don't trust you anymore.
Yes, Caesar's propaganda may be just that, propaganda, but it's also another element that points to your guilt. This is a game where mafia hunts down townies and other mafia.
I, for one, don't see any particular reason to refuse to take out a mafioso today.
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 10:54
The fact that we investigated together last night says nothing about your innocence or guilt.
Also, in your first pm you presented yourself to me, saying you knew that both GH and I are innocent. As has been said before, investigations by ordinary Senators don't reveal guilt nor innocence. Why did you say you knew I was innocent? Why the need to say that? And you also wanted to "form a network of innocent Senators", insinuating that our investigations would reveal guilt or innocence. Investigations only reveal faction. Why are you so interested in discovering which faction people belong to?
Because I believed that there were four factions, not two. How do you think I should had known that my investigations were worthless, especially in light of the fact that my first investigation (the Clientela) did reveal activity as well?
I also believe that the mafia need little help in investigations as it is likely, based on the messages from the Tyrants, that they have considerable investigative powers.
GeneralHankerchief
05-19-2009, 11:34
Wait a minute. Before everyone cries for Ducky's head, I'd like to know if anybody else is the "Rich Senator" role he is claiming. If this is the case, then please do so.
I also believe that the mafia need little help in investigations as it is likely, based on the messages from the Tyrants, that they have considerable investigative powers.
The Tyrant Caesar named you as a Pompeian...
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 11:39
Also lets assume that legates are the ones doing the killing. How can I be a legate when I have been investigating with someone else on two nights, successfully? If you have any doubts about my allegiance, I'm willing to ensure that I am tied up in a senator group each night doing something, preferably protecting, thus stopping me from pursuing any other activities.
Anyway I'm disappointed by the fact that you're so willingly following the suggestions of Caesar. He has been posting investigated Optimates three times now. The first was Don Corleone, followed by me, Jolt and the Flax. Strangely enough this time he decided to accuse me of being a lackey of Pompey. Why did he not say that immediately, but actually waited a night to make these accusations? I think it could be that their investigations are imperfect and very similar to my first investigation, that revealed both faction and if activity occurred, not necessarily what the activity was.
I had hoped to save Rome from both Tyrants, but it seems inevitable that we will plunge into a civil war like the Tyrants wish as I have thoroughly misunderstood the workings of this senate.
TinCow: Why are the senators abilities geared towards fighting a sanguine civil war and not to save Rome from rape and murder? :no:
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 11:41
The Tyrant Caesar named you as a Pompeian...
And he is lying his guts off. I'm an Optimate, but first and foremost a true Roman, who would rather die than to see his fair Republic be ruined by these greedy ambitious men. Well it seems I will atleast be granted that wish.
Ignoramus
05-19-2009, 12:07
The person who persuaded Andres was obviously Cato the Younger(see link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Younger). Cato was middle-aged at the time, and the reference to Stoic philosophy gives it away.
The person who persuaded spL1tp3r50naL1ty appears to be Cicero. His fine oratory skills and older age indicate this.
Both of them were Optimates, and navarro was of the Populares.
I'd say that Cicero and Cato were working together, and I think we can judge that pevergreen was Optimates.
Three of the senators attacked voted for navarro, and Andres was mentioned in Pompey's letter, but then attacked in the evening. Is this relevant? Andres also had protection from other senators, thus preventing his death.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-19-2009, 12:43
I almost believe AggonyDuck, but for now,
Vote: AggonyDuck
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 12:46
Andres care to explain why you consider Caesars word to be more trustworthy than mine, especially when I've backed my claims by revealing all that I am and know?
TinCow, a question about game mechanics, if Caesar or Pompey can investigate (say three times a night), can they participate in town group investigations so that it counts as one of the three investigations?
Ignoramus
05-19-2009, 12:48
The more I look at AgonyDuck's reveal, the more I feel it is genuine. It's very hard to make up a role, especially when you don't find out dead people's roles.
Judging from my role PM, AD's role PM looks the real deal.
AggonyDuck
05-19-2009, 12:53
Well I can't shake of the feeling of this being an elaborate ploy. Thus,
Vote: Andres
everyone
05-19-2009, 13:05
:wall::wall::wall: I cannot come up with a logical conclusion, or at least some identification of who's an ally or enemy from what I read from the whole thread.
vote: abstain
TinCow: Why are the senators abilities geared towards fighting a sanguine civil war and not to save Rome from rape and murder? :no:
"Such is the nature of crowds: either they are humble and servile or arrogant and dominating. They are incapable of making moderate use of freedom, which is the middle course, or of keeping it."
- Titus Livius
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-19-2009, 13:09
so true, of course this does make our job unreasonably hard.
TinCow, a question about game mechanics, if Caesar or Pompey can investigate (say three times a night), can they participate in town group investigations so that it counts as one of the three investigations?
No player may do more than 1 night action per night. There are no exceptions to this rule.
so true, of course this does make our job unreasonably hard.
"I attempt an arduous task; but there is no worth in that which is not a difficult achievement."
- Publius Ovidius Naso
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-19-2009, 13:12
I should have seen that coming.... :sweatdrop:
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