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[AggonyDuck]

No player may do more than 1 night action per night. There are no exceptions to this rule.

Hmmm, interesting. So, essentially to survive this and minimize casualties, we need to get the whole town doing nighttime activities, namely investigating as townies, because that will force the Caesarians and Pompeians to either investigate with us or choose not to and have an investigation fail as a result, which could point us in the right direction.

In the light of that and seeing as Andres has been investigating all the time, I'm having a hard time justifying my vote for him.

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Abstain

[Andres]

Andres care to explain why you consider Caesars word to be more trustworthy than mine, especially when I've backed my claims by revealing all that I am and know?


It's not Caesars word alone.

a) First, it's the way how you approached me:




You send your servants off to watch Andres’ villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch the main entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed plebians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of Andres, who is clearly a snip

Ave, fellow Roman!

I am Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther, a rich senator of the Optimate faction. I am trying to gather a group of cleared innocents to discover and eliminate the Agents of both tyrants. I used my one time special ability of investigating alone on snip , finding out that he was of the snip faction. This night we investigated you together and found out you were a snip.

We need your help to continue our investigations and find out those who would wish to bring ruin and tyranny upon our great Republic. One thing is sure; we can not sit idly by while the Tyrants murder us in our sleep. Do not hesitate to ask for further proof or any question that might be troubling you. We will give you any answer that you require.

Yours,
Spinther

You wanted to form a "group of innocents" while investigations only reveal faction. You also told me your faction and the faction of the one you investigated.

b) later, you kept insisting on doing investigations:





Ok. I investigated Duck (N1) and C (N2) together with Beskar.

Results on both were similar, nothing special in it.

C contacted me to ask me if I wanted to vig kill pevergreen together with him, A and B. B claimed that he already has a night activity planned.

I'm willing to take part in a vig hit on pevergreen.

Alternatively, we can go for two investigations or one investigation and one protection.

I'm more inclined to off pever. Two reasons: a) he seems scummy and the vote switches saving him will focus attention on him next round; better to take out a possible suspect now instead of wasting a round of discussion about pever; b) ok, I'll admit: killing is more exciting than a boring investigation or protection.

What say you?

A.

P.S.: I snipped parts of Duck's pm to me. Knowing the faction of more than one Senator might be too much of a temptation for some of us (looks at C ~;)).

I would prefer investigations to increase the number of confirmed innocents, because more cleared senators means greater investigative powers as well. If we can investigate two more tonight, we can hopefully already investigate three the follow night, allowing our organisation to grow with proven true Romans. The more we grow, the more we can achieve as well. So far the senators cleared by investigation I know of are: Duck, C, Andres and snip.

But I will participate in a vig kill if the rest of you will do so, so that we have the numbers needed.

Ducky


c) C then proposed to us to do a protection, yet again you wanted to investigate:







Ok guys, if we're going to do a vig kill on pevergreen, then we must decide now, so that everybody gets a chance to send in his orders.

A.

I think a kill on pever would be good for tonight. For starters, it gives us all the chance to trust each other, as this is a rather larger operation than what we've done in the past.

I have a group of 4 doing a kill which I assume will go through (all got read receipts), snip and me are part of it. Maybe snip, duck and andres can do a protect?

C

Andres want to investigate someone with me? How about YLC or Ichigo?


d) Then I told you investigation doesn't teach us anything about innocent or guilty, to which you replied:





C claims investigating only reveals which faction a player belongs to. You mentioned something about a special ability you used when investigating snip. Does this mean you can see more when investigating?

If not, then protecting seems more useful to me. Ichigo suggested having a role, so he's a possible mafia target. We could protect him together with snip.

A.




"You send a servant off with a message to your client inside snip’s villa. Several hours later, the servant returns with a wax tablet inscribed by the client himself. He reports that snip is firm in his support of the Populares faction and adds a note about unusual activity around the villa last night. Your client signs off with a message indicating that his debt to you is now repayed. You can expect no further aid from that source."

Investigating reveals the faction and unusual activity, which in snip's case is being a Praetor. My ability only allowed me to investigate alone once, but that was the extent of it. He doesn't need our aid in protecting someone, so we might as well investigate someone together.

Anyway, who do you suggest that we investigate?



Special Ability:
(1) Clientela: As a prominent Senator, you have spent a lifetime cultivating an expansive web of connections. All over Rome, men both high and low owe you great obligations. In this time of crisis, you have decided to call in one of your most valuable favors. One of your clients is well-placed inside the household of another Senator, and he will provide you with information. You may investigate alone once. The investigation will show the target's faction and whether the target was active, though not what they were doing.


Now tell me, how does a "note about unusual activity" brings you tothe conclusion that "snip" is a Praetor?

Our latest investigaton was slighthly different than the one I got on C and you, yet it still only said the faction, which leads me to believe that investigating is useless for a Senator.

How comes you get more info, seeing as you claim to be just a Senator?

[Ignoramus]

I think we're barking up the wrong tree with AgonyDuck.

First of all, it is extremely easy for Caesar to claim AgonyDuck is Caecilius Metellus Scipio. The real Scipio would not be stupid enough to contradict the letter, but rather stay undercover and relatively quiet. AgonyDuck may be Scipio, but I doubt it. It's just too convenient for Caesar's faction.

Secondly, he is the only person who has revealed publicly. That is an extremely risky move. As the role he claims is not a major role, it is quite possible for the real Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinthe to object and prove AgonyDuck is lying. The reveal looks genuine, and I know it's not easy to fake roles based on historical characters.

I'm growing more suspicious of Andres. I sent him a PM informing him who I was and offering to help him, and since I've sent it he has found the time to post against AgonyDuck, but I have not received even a brief note back from him. Why would he do that, seeing I can switch sides?
For the moment,

Vote Abstain

[AggonyDuck]

Alright, this is my take on the matter:

This was my special ability, which I used on night I, thinking that we actually had four factions instead of two:

Special Ability:
(1) Clientela: As a prominent Senator, you have spent a lifetime cultivating an expansive web of connections. All over Rome, men both high and low owe you great obligations. In this time of crisis, you have decided to call in one of your most valuable favors. One of your clients is well-placed inside the household of another Senator, and he will provide you with information. You may investigate alone once. The investigation will show the target's faction and whether the target was active, though not what they were doing.

As you can see, my one time investigation was a bit different from the normal investigation available to senator groups, which escaped me at the time. I thought senator investigations were as powerful.

This is the GH investigation:


You send a servant off with a message to your client inside GeneralHankerchief’s villa. Several hours later, the servant returns with a wax tablet inscribed by the client himself. He reports that GeneralHankerchief is firm in his support of the Roman faction and adds a note about unusual activity around the villa last night. Your client signs off with a message indicating that his debt to you is now repayed. You can expect no further aid from that source.


Notice the latter part, which wasn't present in my subsequent investigations. I contacted GH with the investigation result attached, to which he revealed that it was due to him being a Praetor. That is also the reason why I wanted to investigate tonight, as GH was able to protect someone by himself, so he did not need our help and meant that we might as well do an investigation.

[Andres]

Igno, first things first. Will reply to you later.

Btw, as I told Beskar, I don't trust anyone who sponteanously tells me his faction in private. And you telling me that you can switch sides, is particularly interesting Igno. Looking for an ally to go for victory condition (2)?

[Andres]

Ok Duck. Fair enough.

Unvote ; Vote : Ignoramus

[Ignoramus]

I was not particularly looking for an Optimates/Populares victory, but if I happened to reveal accidently to a Caesarian or Pompeian, then I could switch to save my bacon.

I figured you weren't part of Caesar's or Pompey's party, seeing you got attacked(I though you were a consul or praetor). So I decided to risk it and reveal to you.

[Ignoramus]

Fo everyone to see, here is my role pm:

“Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.”
- Publilius Syrus

Tiberius Claudius Nero (Tiberius Nero)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)

The gens Claudius are nearly as old as the Republic itself, and you are a prime example of their aristocratic heritage. Your father was an ally of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus and took a strong stand against Lucius Sergius Catilina’s failed Populares uprising. Everything you have been taught, and everything that you are, is a conservative and an Optimates in the finest traditions of Old Rome. Yet, you have always admired Gaius Julius Caesar. The man is charismatic and friendly to those who would be his friends, including you. More than once has he extended a kind word when it was unnecessary, or voiced support for you in the Senate when it was of no benefit to him. You know that there would be worse things in the world than Caesar as Dictator.

Should you wish it, you could cross over to the Populares at any time; Caesar’s blessing would surely be enough to convince all of his followers to accept you. Then again, you could also aid the dying Republic. There are few in Rome who possess your unique political flexibility, and it will allow you the freedom to chart your own course, going wherever the winds of fortune take you.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Damnatio Memoriae: Despite your long-standing ties to the Optimates, there has always been a part of you that has sympathized with the ideals of the Populares. Unlike most Senators, you are capable of crossing over to the other side and convincing them that the shift was sincere. Of course, such an action would only be believable once. You can switch your allegiance to the Populares at any time, but you cannot switch back. This will permanently change your role and victory conditions to those of a Populares Senator.

[AggonyDuck]

I think we're currently barking at all the wrong trees. Perhaps this might be the time to look at the kills of this night.

pevergreen was killed and the write up mentions four different parties, meaning it was propably a senator group kill.

Glenn was killed by gladii-armed intruders and only one party is mentioned, so I reckon this was tyrant kill.

Ichigo survived a kill attempt, without outside assistance, so this either means that he was protected by himself or someone attempted a senator group kill on him without the necessary numbers.

Andres survived a kill attempt, with outside protection, I reckon this was the other tyrant kill.


I'm curious what Ichigo's take is on his murder attempt as he seems awfully calm and composed in that write up.

[AggonyDuck]

I'm also curious what Chaotix's night time action was, so speak up and I'll withdraw this vote.

Unvote, Vote: Chaotix

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

am no longer sure of AggonyDucks guilt....

Unvote: AggonyDuck, vote: abstain

for now at least.

[pevergreen]

Oh...I'm dead. i was about to catch up on 3 days worth of reading.

i refused a few groups offers of night actions, and i hinted at my role in a post of mine a while back.

you know...with the stabbing. being the third and all.

[Chaotix]

Last night, I investigated splitpersonality, with the help of YLC on my side. I know his faction, although generally it seems we are not disclosing factions in the thread. If you want to know, I can post it.

Also: there is nothing saying that the mafia cannot have fake role pms to cover their backs if they need to reveal. A wealthy senator would fit the description of one of the servants of the tyrants.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Andres

Smells to much like mafia going for blood after setting up duck in the write up. You should know Andres that several people thought that investigations reveal mafia.

[ULC]

Unvote: Aggony Duck
Vote: Andres

You never once had to go along with it Andres, and I have to agree with Sasaki - it feels to much like a setup, all of it is too convenient, especially when you openly stated you wouldn't investigate and that they were useless. If they are useless, why agree to do them? Duck never once pointed a gun to your head.

[Iskander 3.1]

Vote: Andres

I'd like to hear his defence, of course.

[Andres]

Vote:Andres

Smells to much like mafia going for blood after setting up duck in the write up.

This doesn't make sense.

If I were mafia and I wanted AggonyDuck dead so bad, then I'd just kill him.


You should know Andres that several people thought that investigations reveal mafia.

N1 yes, later no.


Unvote: Aggony Duck
Vote: Andres

You never once had to go along with it Andres, and I have to agree with Sasaki - it feels to much like a setup, all of it is too convenient, especially when you openly stated you wouldn't investigate and that they were useless. If they are useless, why agree to do them? Duck never once pointed a gun to your head.

I did an investigation with Beskar on N1. Beskar was in contact with another duo that also did an investigation. Their result was different than ours.

First, I didn't want to do another investigation, since TinCow stated that they would only reveal information on the faction. Later, I changed my mind, because I was intrigued by the difference in the write-up of the results and we did a second investigation. This had exactly the same wordings as the first one and just told us the faction.

PM traffic with Beskar:




Greetings noble Senator,

As you might know, this is a time of great importance and in this time, it is wise to keep people close, some argue, keep your enemies even closer.

I would like to pledge to you an act of mutual co-operation. This gesture while it is sincere, might startle you, however, I would like, as well as you, to investigate our fellow brothers during the night, to make sure they are not waiting for us with daggers drawn.

I request you respond to this humble plea with an agreement long before the breaking of dawn if you are interested.

Regards.

Ok :2thumbsup:


It's pretty much random at this stage; AggonyDuck seems like a good choice to me: good player, good analysis skills, a lot of experience and usually doesn't get much attention in the thread.

Investigate AggonyDuck ok for you?

A.



Greetings Senator,

It appears the results do not produce the fruition we would have thought. I am guessing sending servants to inform us that people who dress fancy attend his house for gathering merely told us which faction he supports, opposed to any details of significance.

What is your opinion on the results?

Regards.

Yeah, it's pretty useless. He's an Optimates and that's about it...

I think protecting/killing may prove more useful. Too early to form a vigilante group. We'll need more manpower.

Let's see how the thread develops first; we could form up a protection group next night.

Unless somebody makes a very scummy post and doesn't get lynched...

Investigating seems rather pointless to me.

What say you?

A.




Yeah, it's pretty useless. He's an Optimates and that's about it...

I think protecting/killing may prove more useful. Too early to form a vigilante group. We'll need more manpower.

Let's see how the thread develops first; we could form up a protection group next night.

Unless somebody makes a very scummy post and doesn't get lynched...

Investigating seems rather pointless to me.

What say you?

A.

OOC:

Agreed. I am not at the stage where I would even hunt Optimates/Popularists for the 2nd win condition. Possibly would have killed Caesar/Pompey though.

Look's like Sasaki was right again, he was interested in protection squads, so let's approach him?



Greetings Senator,

As you are aware, I messaged your earlier about an appeal of co-operation and from the replies, I accepted you as you accepted my appeal.

I be honest, I do not care about which faction you are, whether it is the Populares faction or the Optimates faction. I am simply going for the win condition which we will all prosper with.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

However, from my appeals, I do have a few possible suspects. Nothing concrete, they never are, but responses which seem quite queer.

I have also been contacted by one of the people I appealed to, for trying to organise a vigilante kill tonight. If you are interested in taking part, message me. If not, message me to say so.

Regards.


OOC:
As a sign of trust, I will say the suspicious names from replies I have received, just for further reference such as my departure from the game.

navarro951 - Overly concerned about my faction, wouldn't agree to anything unless stated.
pevergreen - Overly concerned about my faction, wouldn't agree to anything unless stated.
GeneralHankerchief -Dilberately avoided my private message.





Interesting.



In all honesty, I think it's a bit early to go vigilante.



I've been thinking about our recent investigation. Maybe it's worthwhile to do a second investigation, if only to see if it always gives the same result (I'm intrigued by the visitors AggonyDuck apparently received and I'd like to know if other senators get visitors as well). If there are differences between them, then we should do a third. If they're all different, then they are probably useless, but if only one has a slightly different description, then they may be more useful.



You want to investigate one of those on your list?



A.



It is a possibility. The lynch was Sasaki's idea, but I would only endorse a specific lynch if there are grounds to suspect something. Just curious to see who would say yes to the idea or no. Also works down the list to a few I could rely on.




Lynch? You mean vigilante? Sasaki wants to go vigilante this early in the game?

Which target?

Going on a killing spree at night as a townie this early in the game, probably means that Sasaki is going for victory condition (2). It would perfectly fit his character, since he always had a soft spot for the bad guys in these games.

I wouldn't allow him among us.

As a matter of fact, I think it's best not to tell each other which faction you belong to. This could only generate distrust and temptation for backstabbing. Players going for victory condition (1) don't need that information.

Keep in mind that anyone asking about your faction or spontaneously telling you his faction, is suspicious and very likely up to no good (i.e. victory condition (2)).

The reason that I trust you is exactly that: after one night and almost 2/3d of a day, you didn't ask to with faction I belong nor did you tell me your faction ~;)

A.

Yes, Sasaki wants to go vigilante this early in the game. He has said of no target.

I dropped people from my list who replied asking for my faction, I also labelled them in the PM when they didn't accept the answer of "Rome and her Senate". Obviously, there must be a reason they are pre-occupied with knowing.

No one has spontaneously told me their faction. I did have some one tell me of a night time investigation. Apparently johnhughthom is a populares.


I think we should go for a vig kill tonight. Someone who is mostly lurking but has an odd post for example. Do you have two other people who would be interested?

Sasaki

He doesn't have a particular target though, it could be simply some one who comes up as very suspicious in the day phase.




If there's a detective and it works the same way as in Capo, then he'll get a guilty on mafia and on everybody who has done a vig kill. Doing a kill as a Senator is the ideal cover for a mafioso to explain a guilty detective result away; it messes up detective investigations.

I still want to go for an investigation, to compare results with the investigation of yesterday.

Did somebody who did an in investigation mention something about visitors coming to the place of the Senator they investigated?

A.

I don't think there is a detective.

I can ask the person who sent me their result.

Possible investigation on Sasaki, or would it be a waste?


I just realised, we got a success. Especially after I got a report of their investigation saying they are going to a party, we got this.

You send your servants off to watch AggonyDuck’s villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch the main entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed patricians easy to spot. They must be supporters of AggonyDuck, who is clearly an Optimates.


On N3, I wanted to take part in a group to vig kill pevergreen, but they already had sufficient numbers. Then I wanted to protect Ichigo together with Duck and a third person. Apparently, it wasn't necessary for Duck and me to do a protection and Duck kept insisting on doing an investigation. I figured investigation is better than doing nothing at all, so I sent in orders for an investigation with Duck.

Beskar and Sasaki can back this up, as this was what happened behind the scenes.

Now, again, if I were mafia, why would I keep myself busy with townies at night and try to get Duck lynched during the day? I could have easily avoided working with Senators and just kill Duck at night.


Vote: Andres

I'd like to hear his defence, of course.

I can't defend against your vote since you didn't give any reasons for it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This doesn't make sense.

If I were mafia and I wanted AggonyDuck dead so bad, then I'd just kill him.

This is wrong. Mafia want to get people other than themselves lynched because...then they avoid getting lynched. Mafia 101.

btw Andres, what result on kukri did you send banquo?

[AggonyDuck]

I'd recommend that you don't bandwagon Andres instead of me. We've agreed to tie each other up by protecting someone each night until we meet our deaths and I really don't think he is mafia. Instead we should look at the lurkers, who do not participate in townie actions and put pressure on them instead. If the town effort implodes and turns on itself due to an accusation by Caesar, it is propable that the lurking mafioso will survive for far too long.

[Beskar]

If anyone noticed, AggonyDuck lied in his PM about his name, on top, he even named the famous Cicero of being his true role.

However, I noticed a flaw, possibly in the game. Roman Senate had 3 factions. The old guard as it were, led by Scipio, The Populares led by Mark Anthony, and then there were the Moderates (in the middle) led by Cicero.

[AggonyDuck]

If anyone noticed, AggonyDuck lied in his PM about his name, on top, he even named the famous Cicero of being his true role.

However, I noticed a flaw, possibly in the game. Roman Senate had 3 factions. The old guard as it were, led by Scipio, The Populares led by Mark Anthony, and then there were the Moderates (in the middle) led by Cicero.

Where exactly did I lie about it? I can't find any instance where I would had used another name than Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther, so you must have misread something.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd recommend that you don't bandwagon Andres instead of me. We've agreed to tie each other up by protecting someone each night until we meet our deaths and I really don't think he is mafia. Instead we should look at the lurkers, who do not participate in townie actions and put pressure on them instead. If the town effort implodes and turns on itself due to an accusation by Caesar, it is propable that the lurking mafioso will survive for far too long.

Hmm I agree:


No player may do more than 1 night action per night. There are no exceptions to this rule.

We should get as many people involved in groups as we can.
unvote:Andres

Vote:Tiberius of Drake



Vote:AggonyDuck

The reveal by caesar seems to be pretty damning evidence.

[AggonyDuck]

Sasaki, that definately seems like a good option for a vote.

unvote: Chaotix
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

[Iskander 3.1]

I can't defend against your vote since you didn't give any reasons for it.

That long defense you just gave seems good enough for me. Unvote: Andres

[Andres]

This is wrong. Mafia want to get people other than themselves lynched because...then they avoid getting lynched. Mafia 101.

No. a) Why pushing hard for lynching one particular player? b) Was I under pressure before I attacked Duck? No, so why bother? c) If I wouldn't have made a case against Duck, town would probably just have bandwagoned on him and the round would have ended with not much discussion just like the previous one. Ironically, AggonyDuck will probably survive this round because I built a case against him and gave him the opportunity to defend himself.


btw Andres, what result on kukri did you send banquo?

Innocent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No. a) Why pushing hard for lynching one particular player? b) Was I under pressure before I attacked Duck? No, so why bother? c) If I wouldn't have made a case against Duck, town would probably just have bandwagoned on him and the round would have ended with not much discussion just like the previous one. Ironically, AggonyDuck will probably survive this round because I built a case against him and gave him the opportunity to defend himself.

You're in the position of denying that mafia try and get people lynched, and claiming they don't frame people. You were out for blood earlier, that's what drew attention towards you.




Innocent.

No...he said that the result was different from the rest, and that therefore kukri was guilty. The point here was to not read to much into the wording of the results. TinCow stated that they only reveal faction.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, I do admit this is slightly annoying, getting inadvertently revealed a Praetor due to a feud between two comrades, but that's the way the game goes, I guess. :shrug: In the meantime, I will keep my bond with both Ducky and Andres for the time being and

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

[Beskar]

Where exactly did I lie about it? I can't find any instance where I would had used another name than Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther, so you must have misread something.

I did. The quote as your name. :blush:

[Andres]

You're in the position of denying that mafia try and get people lynched, and claiming they don't frame people. You were out for blood earlier, that's what drew attention towards you.

I suspected AggonyDuck and built my case. He defended himself (key of the defense being part of his special ability ("and whether the target was active, though not what they were doing." ) which I overlooked), I unvoted. I fail to see what's wrong with that.

And as for being out for blood earlier, same goes for you, organiser of a vigilante group ~;)


No...he said that the result was different from the rest, and that therefore kukri was guilty. The point here was to not read to much into the wording of the results. TinCow stated that they only reveal faction.

Point taken.

[LittleGrizzly]

I wasn't sure at all about Andres and Ducky's accusations of each other... but if they are happy to keep temselves busy doing to towns work at night then what better way to prove thgier innocence (or at least deny the mafia a kill) but if they were mafia i think they acted slightly stupidly in trying to organise night actions... although i guess theres the old reverse physcology which makes just about any move possible...

Is tiberius of drake really a lurker... ?

*checks thread*

Not Voting: 12 (*Greyblades, everyone, Tiberius of the Drake, *Don Corleone, *A Very Super Market, Iskander 3.1, atheotes, *Tratorix, *Lord Winter, Ignoramus, *Cronos Impera)

* = Have failed to vote twice in a row.

(from TC 2 nights ago, removed Glenn as he's already dead)

I would say we leave those who haven't voted twice in a row as wog bait, any who suddenly reappear just to make a vote are grewat candidates for a lynch, even one who comes back and starts participating properly is possibly a good lynch... but concentrate on those who have missed one vote so far

So Tiberius, Iksander, atheotes, everyone and Ignoramus

Going back to the thread since TC made the list these guys have...

Ignoramus is participating and posted a fair few times as well as posting his role pm, so i removed him from the list...

Iksander has posted quite a few times also... so removed him...

Here are a few on TC's list who are quite 'lurky'

everyone https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2240301&postcount=495

just a abstain voting post, could just be new and unsure...

Greyblades https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2240005&postcount=461
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2239393&postcount=446

Upon making TC's list he comes up with a short vote post...

TotD https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2240020&postcount=466
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2239754&postcount=450

Finally Cronos, who was going to be wogged... comes up with this

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2239384&postcount=444
A no proscription vote and notice no pattern has yet emerged...

Im going to Vote Cronos start participating more... or die!

[Iskander 3.1]

Thanks, Lil'Grizzly. Looking back on his posts (or lack there of) Tiberius of Drake does seem to be a little suspicious.

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

I await your defence, sir. You have 5 hours.

[Andres]

as a “rule-of-thumb” missing 3 votes in a row is likely to result in your removal if you were also not participating in the discussion during that time.



This game deserves better than 6 possible WoG's on day 3 :no:

*Greyblades,
*Don Corleone
*A Very Super Market
*Tratorix
*Lord Winter
*Cronos Impera

I suggest we spam the inboxes of those six.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

good points all around, Tiberius of the drake, we may have worked together earlier but lurking is not good for the town :no:

unvote: abstain, Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I almost believe AggonyDuck, but for now,
Vote: AggonyDuck


am no longer sure of AggonyDucks guilt....

Unvote: AggonyDuck, vote: abstain

for now at least.


good points all around, Tiberius of the drake, we may have worked together earlier but lurking is not good for the town :no:

unvote: abstain, Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

:inquisitive:

[Iskander 3.1]

I agree Andres, Tin Cow has worked too hard to have this happen. I'm especially surprised because some of those listed seem to be pretty active in other places. Let the spam begin.

(Maybe I shouldn't speak because I missed one vote due to RL getting in the way but for that many they should at least let us know if they'll be absent)

[TinCow]

This game deserves better than 6 possible WoG's on day 3 :no:

*Greyblades,
*Don Corleone
*A Very Super Market
*Tratorix
*Lord Winter
*Cronos Impera

I suggest we spam the inboxes of those six.

I have 3 replacement players lined up, thus the first three WoGs will simply result in a change in player, not a death. I'm also not inclined to cause a massacre, so I will be lenient (for now :whip:) if the non-voters have at least been participating in the discussion a bit.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

what? if the vote shifters are still around if we don't keep the votes together then things can go all crazy. when I woke up this morning everyone thought Aggonyduck was guilty and reading things through so did I. then I thought about things and read it all through and decided he wasn't guilty, and Abstained. when It was obvious we were going to start lynching lurkers I voted Tiberius.

(iskander, what do you have to say about our royal council in WotB, I haven't got anyone's thoughts back yet and this is kind of big....)

[LittleGrizzly]

I did miss one of greayblades posts as well, an unimportant sentence about vote switchers but an extra post all the same....

In fairness to TotD he has actually made a few posts... he may be a slight lurker but he's picked up since TC's list, though this could be paranoid play i think he is far better not to lynch than some others like....

Edit: this part of my post vanished!!

ohh well, i was saying everyone is possibly a better lynch, came in made a one line vote post (abstain) saying he didn't know whats happening... could ust be new though... someone else as well

ohh atheotes, recently lurked to death as mafia in star wars game... possibly a lurking mafia here to ?

But my personal favourite, Cronos, he appeared on TC's wong list with a *, meaning he was in danger of the wog, out of all those in danger of the wog only he and greyblades have appeared, greyblades has made a decent few posts and explained his absence, Cronos made only one post, saying there was no pattern and voted for no lynch... this screams scum to me...

So much so that if it was someone i knew to be an experienced player i wouldn't suspect it... but cronos is new i think to mafia ?

Anyone tell me about Cronos mafia playing ?

Atheotes who hasn't even made a single post since appearing on TC's list (potential wog bait end of the day after today)

Everyone who made one post since appearing on TC's list which basically said he didn't have a clue and voted abstain...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just a quick note that A Very Super Market failed to send in orders to me as Don in Omerta last night for the first time in the game, which means his inactivity is somewhat consistent. However, he did read my feedback PM for that night fairly quickly after it was sent.

I'd say more about the other players involved at both games, but Omerta is ongoing at the moment and I don't want to spoil it.

[Csargo]

Unvote:GH, Vote:abstain

[AggonyDuck]

A point though is that due to the lingering votes, we need to have a clear majority somewhere to ensure that our lynch remains the same, despite vote manipulations.

[LittleGrizzly]

umm in going to repost my post from earlier because i severly messed up the order of it...

In fairness to TotD he has actually made a few posts... he may be a slight lurker but he's picked up since TC's list, though this could be paranoid play i think he is far better not to lynch than some others like....

Atheotes who hasn't even made a single post since appearing on TC's list (potential wog bait end of the day after today)

Everyone who made one post since appearing on TC's list which basically said he didn't have a clue and voted abstain...

But my personal favourite, Cronos, he appeared on TC's wong list with a *, meaning he was in danger of the wog, out of all those in danger of the wog only he and greyblades have appeared, greyblades has made a decent few posts and explained his absence, Cronos made only one post, saying there was no pattern and voted for no lynch... this screams scum to me...

So much so that if it was someone i knew to be an experienced player i wouldn't suspect it... but cronos is new i think to mafia ?

Anyone tell me about Cronos mafia playing ?

this is how it was supposed to be appear, just to avoid anyone being confused by me...

Edit: im willing to switch to TotD to ensure he has a majority, but athotes, everyone and Cronos are better lynches in my opinion... if no one will back me with any of those im willing to lynch TotD over andres and ducky though...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

exactly, we have to stay together until we figure out who is changing them and why the votes are being changed.
this is My first game, so I am just going by the people I know. Tiberius of the drake and I worked together night one. but I haven't heard from him since, and I feel that's kind of weird.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

what is the current vote count?

the reason ive been less active than i would like is due to rl. I had planned on investigating Ichigo next but was unable to acess the org on friday Night. the next three days i was attending a relatives graduation from college (cum laude, major=history, poli sci and archaeology minor). during this I mangaed to find a hotel without Wi-Fi acess (:crying:).

anyways,as Cultured Drizzt fan can attest we participated in an investigation on N1 together of Beskar. our investigation turned up that Beskar was a member of my faction and seemed harmless. however, at least to my knowledge, Cultured Drizzt Fan was the only other person who knew this. Beskar ended up dead the next night. This strikes me as a faction inspired action, and very anti town.

My vote, however, remains the same. lynching a pro faction member simply brings the mafia closer to victory.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yep night one me and TotD investigated beskar, no offense beskar but you coming forward was a bit weird. at the time I hadn't read that investigating only revealed faction, and I have to say that it was TotD who suggested Beskar, I was willing to investigate anyone or everyone! (sorry I keep doing that....)

[Tratorix]

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake. We need a clear majority so Cicero and co. can't manipulate this however they like.

I apologize for my lack of activity, between RL and trying to keep up with GH's Omerta game, I haven't had the time to wade through the pages of posts in this one. I will of course take the suspicion i've brought upon myself in good humour.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

I am unsatisfied with this choice, but I'd rather not let the vote switchers decide who will be lynched.

[Beskar]

Tiberius of the Drake/Cultured Drizzt Fan, can you post the result in the forum? I am interested in seeing how it looks.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Do you want it with your faction crossed out? Or does it not matter at this point,
well I just crossed it out, if you want to reveal that's your choice not mine.


You send your servants off to watch Beskar’s villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch a side entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed plebians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of Beskar, who is clearly a .

[Beskar]

It's obvious because it said plebeians. Interesting though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm. I believe it is a bad idea to put a lot of votes on someone just so they can't be saved by vote switchers. It just allows easy bandwagoning--see tratorix and theflax. If it's very close to deadline we can drop a couple votes on the top vote getter but not before then. If it's naturally close, then it should naturally be close, let them switch the votes if they want to. We can either vig or lynch the person who got saved if we really do find them that suspicious.

[Tratorix]

Hmm. I believe it is a bad idea to put a lot of votes on someone just so they can't be saved by vote switchers. It just allows easy bandwagoning--see tratorix and theflax. If it's very close to deadline we can drop a couple votes on the top vote getter but not before then. If it's naturally close, then it should naturally be close, let them switch the votes if they want to. We can either vig or lynch the person who got saved if we really do find them that suspicious.

But, as Ignoramus( I think) pointed out, Cicero and Cato were both historically Pompeians. Without a clear majority, we are putting the lynch in the hands of one mafia faction.

[LittleGrizzly]

Seen as TotD actually participated in a night action maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt... a few suspicious players who have lurked more than TotD would be

everyone
Atheotes
Cronos

If anyone is willing to vote for any of those 3 instead of TotD im willing to change my vote over to match it... Cronos is probably the best lynch out of the 3 though...

I have given the reasons a few times but Cronos especially was on the wog list with an aestrix and then comes and makes a one line abstain vote... he seems a better lynch than TotD... especially with Cultured backing up his investigation story, and the fact he is posting a little more and excusing his absence..

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But, as Ignoramus( I think) pointed out, Cicero and Cato were both historically Pompeians. Without a clear majority, we are putting the lynch in the hands of one mafia faction.

It is true...we need someone to be ahead by 5 votes to lynch for sure. I forgot that they can switch people who are voting for the main guy. However we don't know how often they can use that ability. Hmm.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seen as TotD actually participated in a night action maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt... a few suspicious players who have lurked more than TotD would be



I don't think TotD is being lynched because he's a lurker. That's certainly not why I'm voting him. I picked him because he's made a some scummy posts. Participating in a night action doesn't clear you anyhow.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

they have done it both days so far, though it has gone from one to two.

[Chaotix]

Well, my vote's going to stay on AggonyDuck for now. I think the role pm would have been easily forgeable, but I think the probability is that the Caesarians have actually fed us a mafia here. That is one of their main goals, after all. Anyway, if it turns out to be wrong (in which case Ducky has my apologies) then we'll know we can't believe anything they say. That said, I doubt Aggony is even in danger at this point...

[Tratorix]

Well, my vote's going to stay on AggonyDuck for now. I think the role pm would have been easily forgeable, but I think the probability is that the Caesarians have actually fed us a mafia here. That is one of their main goals, after all. Anyway, if it turns out to be wrong (in which case Ducky has my apologies) then we'll know we can't believe anything they say. That said, I doubt Aggony is even in danger at this point...

AggonyDuck is probably going to be night killed once they see their attempt to get him lynched didn't work. Caesar was probably hoping we would waste our time lynching him this round, which protects the mafia and gets rid of another senator. Double win.

[LittleGrizzly]

Yeah its pointless lynching who other mafia point out as mafia for us, if they do now a certain person is mafia they will kill them themselves... theres no need for the town to do the mafias dirty work... most likely mafia conbfusion anyway...

Or being honest and setting us up to confuse us later in the game

Sasaki thats fair enough a few people mentioned lurking in thier votes for him though... so to those people im pointing out better lurker lynches...

[woad&fangs]

vote: tiberius of the Drake

Because I don't want the tally manipulated to kill AggonyDuck. We want the mafia to have to night kill him.

[Beskar]

You are forgetting that people can be protected. You cannot be protected from a lynch, that could be possibly Caesar's motive.

[Jolt]

Actually Cicero and Cato were never Pompeians. They were Optimates (Which is a very different thing), heck even Cicero wasn't Optimate, he just decided to pick it since Caesar had rebelled, but he still kept his options opened. Cicero and Cato always fought for the Republic, rather than taking being factionous as many of the Senators were. I think Cicero and Cato are actually working for the good of the Republic (Town) in the game. In any case, can someone explain to me why is TotD being so bandwaggoned?

Vote: Abstain

[Tratorix]

Actually Cicero and Cato were never Pompeians. They were Optimates (Which is a very different thing), heck even Cicero wasn't Optimate, he just decided to pick it since Caesar had rebelled, but he still kept his options opened. Cicero and Cato always fought for the Republic, rather than taking being factionous as many of the Senators were. I think Cicero and Cato are actually working for the good of the Republic (Town) in the game. In any case, can someone explain to me why is TotD being so bandwaggoned?

Vote: Abstain

Right, I should have said optimate instead of pompeian. But them not being mafia outright doesn't change the fact that they could easily ally with Pompey and the general consensus seemed to be that they switched votes off a fellow optimate to save him last round.


You are forgetting that people can be protected. You cannot be protected from a lynch, that could be possibly Caesar's motive.

True, but AggonyDuck was most likely not protected if he is just a regular senator, one off ability or not. Why wouldn't Caesar just kill him? My bet is the mafia are just trying to kick up hornets nests with their messages.

[TinCow]

For my own sanity...

Tally as of Post # 563

Tiberius of the Drake: 9 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki Kojiro, AggonyDuck, GeneralHankerchief, Iskander 3.1, Cultured Drizzt fan, Tratorix, TheFlax, woad&fangs)
AggonyDuck: 4 (Chaotix, Tiberius of the Drake, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Beefy187, )
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Greyblades)
Ignoramus: 1 (Andres)
Andres: 1 (YLC)
Cronos Impera: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Abstain: 4 (everyone, Ignoramus, Ichigo, Jolt)

[Tiberius of the Drake]

I don't think TotD is being lynched because he's a lurker. That's certainly not why I'm voting him. I picked him because he's made a some scummy posts. Participating in a night action doesn't clear you anyhow.


I would like to know how my posts have been scummy. I seem to be chosen for lynching simply because the town wants to make sure that cicero cannot sway a vote. I am being seriously bandwaggoned and If someone can post a valid, truthful reason for my proscription then so be it. but otherwise i will not stand to be slandered/libelled as I have been.

unvote: Aggony Duck
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro


I am fully dedicated to the town and to seing the republic survive. As such, I proudly proclaim that my political party is Populares. I have seen some of my compatriots killed and I have seen my opponents killed. I do not wish to see more blood. The republic must survive.

Senator Tiberius

(Note: This post is slightly IC, and slightly OC)

[AggonyDuck]

At the moment I'm not really happy with any of the lynch choices with perhaps the exception of Cronos Impera.

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
Vote: Cronos Impera

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Cronos

Gut instinct he just seems scummy to me.

[Csargo]

Right, I should have said optimate instead of pompeian. But them not being mafia outright doesn't change the fact that they could easily ally with Pompey and the general consensus seemed to be that they switched votes off a fellow optimate to save him last round.

:no:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake, Vote: Cronos Impera

that was enough to move me, well spoken. it is true you do not deserve to be bandwaggoned, and I don't see cronos coming forward to defend himself.

(wow I am a bit of a pushover, I changed my vote like 5 times.....)

[johnhughthom]

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake

Just a hunch.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:johnhughthom

What is your hunch?

[Chaotix]

His hunch is obviously that Tiberius is suspicious because everyone is voting for him, and for that reason he is probably mafia. Because the town is only supposed to lynch mafia, you know. It's pretty obvious, Sasaki, why couldn't you pick up on that in the first place?

FoS: Sasaki

:clown:

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Unvote:Sasaki
Vote:Cronos Impera

my last vote was a reactionary angry vote, I might as well put my vote to a good use.

[Csargo]

Unvote:abstain, Vote:Cronos

He's a better choice than Tiberius imho.

[TinCow]

Voting concluded.

[TinCow]

“Do not recklessly and presumptuously assume something to be true.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

https://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3895/geromedeathofcaesar.jpg

The strain of the growing crisis was beginning to show in the Senate. Almost as soon as the session began the Senators began shouting and gesturing wildly at each other. Some men believed the writings that had been placed on the doors, some men refused to give them credit, and still other men somehow managed to both trust and doubt at the same time. This confusion of opinions spilled out onto the floor of the Senate, and the chaos was great. Former friends accused each other of the vilest of deeds and many volunteered private information to preserve their own necks.

As the shadows grew longer and the Senate tired, slowly a consensus began to emerge. Tiberius of the Drake was accused of both remaining silent and speaking poorly. Unsatisfied with the other options presented to them, many Senators turned on their hapless colleague. Towards the end, a few friendly voices spoke up in his defense, but it was too little, and too late. When the session adjourned, the tally of votes showed Tiberius of the Drake in the lead; a last minute attempt to save him came up short.

As on the day before, the proclamation was announced both on the rostra and in the Curia itself. Yet, Tiberius of the Drake put up a brave front and did not run as his predecessor had. Consigned to his fate, he requested that his death be carried out by one of his friends, so that his estate would not pass into unworthy hands. Several men reluctantly came forward to carry out the distasteful deed. Promises were made to ensure that Tiberius’ family would be provided for by those who were about to confiscate his property. The act itself was quick and clean, but the first sight of blood on the floor of the Senate was disheartening to all. The Senate quickly and quietly filed out into the night, to meet whatever fate awaited them.

Tiberius of the Drake: 8 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki Kojiro, GeneralHankerchief, Iskander 3.1, Tratorix, TheFlax, woad&fangs, johnhughthom)
Cronos Impera: 6 (LittleGrizzly, AggonyDuck, Captain Blackadder, Cultured Drizzt fan, Tiberius of the Drake, Ichigo)
AggonyDuck: 3 (Chaotix, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Beefy187, )
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Greyblades)
Ignoramus: 1 (Andres)
Andres: 1 (YLC)

Abstain: 3 (everyone, Ignoramus, Jolt)

Not Voting: 7 (Khazaar, Don Corleone, A Very Super Market, atheotes, Lord Winter, Cronos Impera, Caius)

Alive (29):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone Gaius Scribonius Curio
A Very Super Market Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Lord Winter Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius

Killed (6):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn

Proscripted (2):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake

WoG/Suicide (0):

Replacements (3):
Done Corleone has been replaced by Gaius Scribonius Curio
A Very Super Market has been replaced by Marshal Murat
Lord Winter has been replaced by Askthepizzaguy

It is now Night IV. The deadline for Night IV orders is Wednesday, May 20th at 9:00pm EST.

Note: There WILL be WoGs/Replacements from this last phase, but I will figure it out after dinner. :bow:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

And the assumed vote switch never comes....... this is getting ridiculous. If the vote switchers were Caesars men they would have swapped the votes off of Tiberius, he has stated he was a Populare, so who the heck are they? Pompeys men? Or just two townies who want to screw with us. :thumbsdown: not good.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

I would simply like to point out that the bandwaggon against me was mainly pepetrated by Sasaki Kojiro.

EDIT:this also seems to confirm that the vote switchers are pompeys men. This post may be edited later if I can come up with a good latin epitah

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I would simply like to point out that the bandwaggon against me was mainly pepetrated by Sasaki Kojiro.

I would like to point this out as well.


And the assumed vote switch never comes....... this is getting ridiculous. If the vote switchers were Caesars men they would have swapped the votes off of Tiberius, he has stated he was a Populare, so who the heck are they? Pompeys men? Or just two townies who want to screw with us.

It's entirely possible that they were townies who considered navarro to be a better lynch. Ichigo implies as much.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah, but why keep it hidden then, they must realize they are putting us all on edge. they have to be Pompey's men.

[Beefy187]

“Do not recklessly and presumptuously assume something to be true.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

Is the host trying to tell us something? Or just trying to pull us off? :laugh4:

[TinCow]

“Do not recklessly and presumptuously assume something to be true.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

Is the host trying to tell us something? Or just trying to pull us off? :laugh4:

"Indeed rhetoricians are permitted to lie about historical matters so they can speak more subtly."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

:bow:

[TinCow]

There are four players who have failed for vote three times in a row. I have replaced three of them as follows:

Done Corleone has been replaced by Gaius Scribonius Curio
A Very Super Market has been replaced by Marshal Murat
Lord Winter has been replaced by Askthepizzaguy

None of the people replaced have ever posted in this thread since the game began. While Cronos Impera has also missed 3 consecutive votes, he has made several posts and attempted to vote once, but it was an illegal vote at night. I will thus refrain from WoGing him for the moment.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

First impressions would be that Aggonyduck was telling the truth. From what base knowledge I have Spinther was a ridiculuosly wealthy individual. With regards to the Cicero/Cato speculation, I'd suggest that Cato would certainly be optimates, but that I always viewed Cicero as a vacillator, (and a glory-hunter), and that we should be less sure of his alignment.

I shall be back with more after a proper reading of the thread...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hello folks. :bow:

You may NOW freely vote for me. Have fun.

[Marshal Murat]

Yay, first time mafia game.

:hanged:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Welcome, Marshal Murat.

I propose, seeing as we are both latecomers to the game, that we be forced to fight in hand-to-hand combat for the amusement of the others, until only one of us still has his spleen.

challenge: Marshal Murat

[atheotes]

oops...missed the vote again... RL has kept me away.. hopefully i can become active again now...looks like i have quite a bit of catching up to do...i am completely lost.. so i would have voted abstain or no lynch anyway...

[Chaotix]

Welcome, Marshal Murat.

I propose, seeing as we are both latecomers to the game, that we be forced to fight in hand-to-hand combat for the amusement of the others, until only one of us still has his spleen.

challenge: Marshal Murat

Oooh! Oooh! Can I fry the loser's spleen? I know a delicious recipe...

Psycho Mafia... you just can't get it out of your mind...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Psycho Mafia... you just can't get it out of your mind...

I knew it would have an impact on people. :bow:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Consuls, Praetors, Tribunes and my fellow Senators, allow me please to say a few words on the subject of our present crisis...

Our liberty, lives and the Res Publica itself is in peril. And for what I would would have myself ask? To satisfy an ageing, preening fool's ambition? Whether Caesar or Pompey is to blame to starting this war, although I myself do have some feelings on the matter, the point remains, fellow Senators, that we are being terrorised with a view to one man, whoever he may be, setting himself up as a tyrant over our fair city.

To this I say, how far we have fallen to allow such a travesty to come to pass! Now more than ever we must band together and oppose these extremists on both sides. As Marcus Tullius did with Catiline, uniting the orders and the city against a terrible threat, and saving the Republic, now we must show concord and cast these wretches from our wondrous city.

Yes, I have shown my cowardice by not venturing these feelings before. But I am not the only man guilty of this. Senators, I implore you to put aside your differences, Optimate or Populares, and concentrate fully on stopping both our would be Reges.

[ULC]

Consuls, Praetors, Tribunes and my fellow Senators, allow me please to say a few words on the subject of our present crisis...

Our liberty, lives and the Res Publica itself is in peril. And for what I would would have myself ask? To satisfy an ageing, preening fool's ambition? Whether Caesar or Pompey is to blame to starting this war, although I myself do have some feelings on the matter, the point remains, fellow Senators, that we are being terrorised with a view to one man, whoever he may be, setting himself up as a tyrant over our fair city.

To this I say, how far we have fallen to allow such a travesty to come to pass! Now more than ever we must band together and oppose these extremists on both sides. As Marcus Tullius did with Catiline, uniting the orders and the city against a terrible threat, and saving the Republic, now we must show concord and cast these wretches from our wondrous city.

Yes, I have shown my cowardice by not venturing these feelings before. But I am not the only man guilty of this. Senators, I implore you to put aside your differences, Optimate or Populares, and concentrate fully on stopping both our would be Reges.

Stirring speech, dear Senator, but has already been shown, even in times of crisis, many go back upon their word, and are more concerned with power then the responsibility it entails. Only fear will motivate such men, for it is their objective to win - to lose would be a horrifying thought.

So, dear senators of less then roman integrity, hearken to this, and hold it to your bosom, your cowardice filled heart - If you help the Tyrants, their will be no glory, no power for you, if you fail them, only death and a scribble upon the ledger as your estates are signed away to your would be savior.

Help fight to save the Republic, and glory and honor will be yours, and heroes you will be to all.

[seireikhaan]

Perhaps if I speak into the microphone a tad louder this time, the dictators will hear me?

I GROW BORED IN MY LITTLE HOME AT NIGHT. PLEASE COME AND KILL ME AS SOON AS CONVENIENTLY POSSIBLE, LIFE IS SO DULL.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, someone has claimed to me a role where they have a "brother". However, this strikes me as a possible mafia cover pm...I would like confirmation from another pain, since it seems to me there should be one pair for each faction.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Khaan is the one who desires becoming Dictator Perpetuo.

FoS- Shinseikhaan...

[Csargo]

Hmm, someone has claimed to me a role where they have a "brother". However, this strikes me as a possible mafia cover pm...I would like confirmation from another pain, since it seems to me there should be one pair for each faction.

Perhaps one is Populares and the other is Optimates?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Hmm, someone has claimed to me a role where they have a "brother". However, this strikes me as a possible mafia cover pm...I would like confirmation from another pain, since it seems to me there should be one pair for each faction.
I would humbly suggest, Senator Sasaki, that we are not all only only childs. Caesar and Pompeius are however. Look at the number of brothers among our ranks today, The two Marcelli, and their cousin, the many Claudii (and Clodii), the great Marcus Cicero, and his brother Quintus...

(OOC: Tincow seems to be heavily basing this on the actual events and just about every Roman nobleman was related to all the others...)

[Captain Blackadder]

Yes indeed there are many men here who are related to each other. We must not allow this to cloud our judgment. I feel I can speak as someone who in their foolish youth supported Cataline. I do admit that I was exposed to the passions of others but what we as noble romans must do is focus on finding those who are againest our fine republic. We must not falter our you will all see how easy it will be to stop all business, and how much Caesar, and those who care nothing for the Republic when their own interests are involved, hope that it may be so.

[Cronos Impera]

Cultured Drizzt Fan: => be warned
I've been watching from the shadows all along and I'm not happy with what I see. Someone who changes his vote 5 times is ought to be diversionary Mafia.
<<Takes a chisel during the night, secretly carving an inscription on the pillars of the Senate, than spreads ostrakons on the Senate floor.>>
FoS:Clutured Drizzed Fan

Waiting for TinCow to send slaves and clients to clean the mess.

[Andres]

Hmm, someone has claimed to me a role where they have a "brother". However, this strikes me as a possible mafia cover pm...I would like confirmation from another pain, since it seems to me there should be one pair for each faction.

The fact that you're collecting too much information for your own good gives me a bad feeling.

Are you sure you're not going for victory condition (2)?

[Jolt]

I would like to point this out as well.



It's entirely possible that they were townies who considered navarro to be a better lynch. Ichigo implies as much.

Indeed, it appears as much that Cato and Cicero have their own townie network, of which Ichigo appears to be the "Public Relations". As to why they don't reveal themselves, who knows? My bet would be fear of the Mafia.

[TinCow]

Night IV is over. This write-up is... complex. Please be patient, it may take a while.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good, does that mean I got one of them? :smash:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I have this deep feeling in my gut I am dead..... not sure how to explain it :dizzy2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have this deep feeling in my gut I am dead..... not sure how to explain it :dizzy2:

Maybe it's because I killed you? I used my Brutus powers to betray you and stab you with a knife? Yes, yes, relish the sweet pain...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Maybe it's because I killed you? I used my Brutus powers to betray you and stab you with a knife? Yes, yes, relish the sweet pain...

a confession? naahhh, :clown:. but I really do have this feeling, its weird.....
though I may just be really hungry..... I haven't eaten in awhile..... Think I am going to go get a sandwich

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't worry, with this much WIFOM Andres and Sasaki will both have me nailed to the cross very soon, no matter which faction they are in.

Hi fellas!

~:wave:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

what do you know I was just hungry..... I feel stupid now.... :sweatdrop::clown:

[TinCow]

“There is always more spirit in attack than in defense.”
- Titus Livius

https://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8108/poussindeathofgermanicun.jpg

The crowd of men walked in a dispersed pattern through the back streets of Rome. There were too many of them to risk being seen as a group. Even in dangerous times like these, a mob of men of this size would attract attention if seen wandering the streets in the middle of the night. Instead, they remained separated into four separate groups, paralleling each other along the darkened alleys of the city. A few men were farther ahead, keeping an eye on their quarry as the target moved through the city. More than one of the men wondered why the target was out so late, but the thought of their own task kept them from voicing the ironic question. The target had to reach their destination at some point, and when that happened, they would strike.


…

GeneralHankerchief was no fool. During the accusations of the previous day, he had unwittingly been caught in the crossfire. Arguments between friends were rarely beneficial in good times; in times of crisis, they could be disastrous. GeneralHankerchief knew that the day’s disputes had made him a target, and so he had prepared well.

Immediately after the Senate adjourned, he went directly home, keeping a watchful eye on the streets as he passed by. Once there, he ordered all of his guards to be put on duty and for all doors and windows to be locked and barred. Any servant whose loyalty was even remotely in doubt was dismissed from duties for the night, and the rest were armed with pugii. GeneralHankerchief himself moved a sleeping mat into a storage room in the center of his villa, the most secure location in the house, and had one of his many guards remain with him at all times. As a final precaution, he kept a blade of his own within arm’s reach at all times.

A few hours into his slumber, GeneralHankerchief was nudged awake by the guard who was watching over him. The man put a finger over his lips, and another to his ear, indicating that his master should keep quiet and listen. He did so, and through the walls he heard the sound of running footsteps. Both men drew their weapons, looking intensely at the only door to the room. There was a pause, then a knock followed by the voice of a loyal servant.

“Sir, there is a… guest… at the main gate.”

GeneralHankerchief could barely contain himself. He had been disturbed on a night like this because of a guest?! “I ordered that NO ONE be permitted entry to this villa tonight,” GeneralHankerchief screamed, “what part of that order was unclear?”

A few moments passed, but the steps did not go away. “I… I know, sir,” the servant stammered, “but… but it is a most unusual guest. I… I do not think you would be pleased if we turned her away before informing you of her presence.”

Her? Well, that was indeed a different situation. He had heard rumors that the exotic woman was in the city, but no one had talked of her visits openly. There was no way he would pass up the opportunity to see her for himself and find out what was really going on. After all, what harm could a single woman cause in a villa as heavily guarded as his?


…

The laughter was unsettling. The Republic was in crisis, the city under siege by assassins, and the Senate was now regularly proscripting the most prominent men in Rome. No one should be laughing at a time like this, especially not in the manner coming from the villa before them. The men looked at each other warily, wondering what their masters had gotten them into, but orders were orders. They had a mission, and they would attempt to carry it out no matter how strange it was.

They knocked on the gate for several minutes before a small hatch was opened and an angry face appeared inside. “The master is not receiving any guests, go away!”

The men gulped, but they were not easily deterred. “Please, sir, we must deliver a message to Chaotix! You must admit us, it is a matter of life and death!”

The angry face squinted at them for a moment, then disappeared. A few moments later, it returned. “You will be admitted, but only after you are searched for weapons.”

The men exchanged pained looks and then one responded, “That is fine, good sir, we are unarmed anyway.” And with that, the portal opened and the light and laughter poured over them. There were guards everywhere, and they were searched one at a time, very thoroughly, until the guards were satisfied that they were indeed unarmed. With that, they were shown into the main courtyard.

Glasses of wine, speckled eggs, sweetmeats, and other fine delicacies were scattered everywhere. It looked like a massive party had been underway for hours, but there were only two people in the room. Chaotix look over at them and smiled, “Ah, the men who are here for me. Welcome! Would you care for a drink.” Chaotix laughed pleasantly and took a sip from a wine goblet.

For several seconds, none of the men spoke. Eventually, one drummed up the confidence to say what they had come to say. “Apologies, but we must inform you that you life is in terrible danger! Men are coming to kill you tonight, you must flee!”

Chaotix laughed and smiled. “Well, it was brave of you to inform me of this. Surely men as brave as you would be willing to defend someone as helpless as me?”

In answer, several faces flushed simultaneously. “We… uh… that was indeed our intention. However…” one man trailed off. Another picked up where his partner was unable, “However, another group of men was supposed to meet us. They… they failed to arrive.” He shrugged, “those men had all the weapons.”

Chaotix raised an eyebrow at this news. “Well, then thank you for at least warning me. You might as well run along home. As you can see,” Chaotix gestured towards the guards at the main gate, “I am perfectly safe here.”

With sidelong looks at the scene before them, the men turned and headed back out into the night. As they passed through the gate, they heard it slam shut behind them. There was the sound of a heavy bar being lowered and a few guards snickering, then the sounds of Rome at night overtook the men and they disappeared back into the city.


…

“Sir, there are armed men outside the main gate!” The servant was wide-eyed and sweating when he finally reached GeneralHankerchief. The increased commotion from the main gate had been growing for some time, but he had tried to ignore it. Despite all his suspicions and all his precautions, after the woman arrived he had truly begun to believe this would be a pleasant evening. She was not beautiful, per se, but there was something incredibly charming and sexy about her. She was not shy, that was for sure. GeneralHankerchief was still (relatively) sober, but it was apparent he would not remain that way for much longer. He kept making a mental note to pace himself, lest the ability fade, even while the desire grew.

A loud shout broke his increasingly inebriated thoughts; something really was going on at the main gate. He looked at the servant. “WELL? In the name of Juno, what is it man?!”

The servant swallowed, “They stand in the night with torches blazing, not attempting to hide from us. They have been there for some minutes now, and have not uttered a single word, even though we’ve asked their business several times and ordered them to disperse.” His eyes strayed over to the woman before springing back to look at GeneralHankerchief. “They are all holding gladii, sir.”

GeneralHankerchief looked over at the woman for a moment, and heaved a heavy sigh. He put down his wine goblet and stood, strapping on the blade that he had wisely kept nearby, even after she had arrived. “Tell the men to stay on guard, do not leave the villa, and do not unlock any door or window. No one is to enter this house until sunrise, no matter who it is!” The servant spun on his heels and ran off to report to the rest of the guards holding the front gate.

GeneralHankerchief turned and looked at his guest. “I apologize, but this is not a matter I can ignore, even for one such as you. Please,” he gestured to a servant at the back of the courtyard, “he will show you to the side door, you may leave from there. It is no longer safe for you here.”


…

Chaotix was in the back of the villa, near the culina, when the pounding started. At first, it sounded like a slave pounding out grain, but the sound of splintering wood quickly told the difference. A servant bolted out into the hallway, wide-eyed, and shouted at Chaotix. “Run! They’re breaking in! They’re breaking in!” The man fled, making a tremendous racket in the process.

Chaotix looked around frantically. Where were all the guards? Why weren’t any back here? The culina door shattered into splinters, making the question moot. A large group of men began to pour into the villa. There were too many to count, but every man was holding a pugio. Heads swiveled quickly to look at Chaotix, and then four separate voices cried out, “There! Attack!”

There was nowhere to run. In his haste, the fleeing servant had knocked over a table that now blocked the doorway back to the rest of the villa. Chaotix could easily climb over it, but not before being pierced by several daggers. The men had just turned, sensing the easy kill, when a few voices in the rear were raised in alarm. A flailing body flew through the door, colliding with several of the men inside. They fell on top of each other in a wailing tangle.

The body was followed by a large group of muscled men wielding fierce weapons. The first few engaged the closest men, while several other broke off and started to push their way towards Chaotix. One man, clearly the leader, gestured frantically. “Over here! Quickly! We cannot hold them for long!” Chaotix did not hesitate. Regardless of the intentions of these new men, they couldn’t possibly be worse than death. Chaotix ran forward, reaching the safety of the nearest muscled man just as the pugio-wielders closed in behind. The men surrounded Chaotix and began retreating back out the culina door, the first few moving backwards, fending off the attackers as they went.

The cool night air swept over Chaotix as the exodus from the villa continued. The rearguard did a magnificent job of delaying the attackers inside the villa, and soon the sounds of battle faded behind them. Chaotix was shaken, but still drew breath. In the end, that was enough.


…

They had locked themselves inside the secured storeroom, comfortable letting the guards deal with the men at the main gate. GeneralHankerchief was irked, but not incredibly worried. He was in a secure, heavily guarded villa, locked in the most secure room, and he had an armed guard at his side. Together, they sat in silence, listening to the cries of battle coming from outside.

Suddenly, the guard slapped his hand to his eye and began to rub furiously. The man’s tunic was spattered with dust. GeneralHankerchief looked up and saw a trail of fine debris falling from the ceiling. He opened his mouth to give a warning, but there was no need. The sound of breaking roofing tiles was loud enough for all to hear. The guard was still struggling to regain his vision when several men jumped through the holes, each of them clutching a gladius. The first one down drove his deep into the guard’s neck, nearly severing his head. The others moved on GeneralHankerchief.

An increase in noise from outside the room told GeneralHankerchief that the front was now being assaulted as well. His guards were distracted, they would not reach him in time. He swung his blade at the nearest foes and cursed them all as loud as he could, but there were too many men, and they were between him and the door. There was no escape. GeneralHankerchief screamed a curse and the men and charged. He died fighting.


…

The sounds of the night’s violence had pervaded throughout the city, and by morning all of Rome knew of what had occurred. As the Senators moved through the city to the Curia, they found businesses closed and doors shut. The populous had clearly decided that Rome was no longer safe, even in the day. The Senators glanced warily at one another, whispering in groups in corners, well away from one another. No one even bothered looking at the empty seat in the Populares section, they knew what had happened before they even arrived. As they had come to expect, two notes were nailed to the Curia doors.


Hello my good friends, if you have not noticed I am in a good mood! A Populare senator Lynched and A Praetor killed in one day! I could have asked for more. so I have to send my thanks to Sasaki Kojiro and AggonyDuck, I couldn’t have done it without you! but now for something completely different, I am not so angry you all have failed to follow my orders, like I said I am in a good mood, so I think I wont have to kill all of you yet. This is good news, again! You all seem to assume the role switchers are my men, and that makes me feel hurt, what have I said: you may all be wondering why we switched the votes off of pevergreen. well keep wondering, that was not me or my men I don't like Repeating myself! Look elsewhere my friends. You all probably wonder what demands I am going to make today, well stop being so pushy we are getting there. I am not so stupid as to think I can get any of you to defect this early in the game so let me put it like this, I want you to keep doing what your doing. Which means lynching Populares, Caesar is still out there, and I want him dead! Come now all of you, you must have investigated people early in the games, and I am sure some of them came out as Populares, well don't just sit back with that information! You should all know each other’s faction. Its only fair right? You should probably stop listening to Caeser, I must say it was quite hilarious watching today's session! Let me let you in on a little secret, Tyrant to senator, we do not have some super special awesome investigation skill to find someone’s guilt, all we have are you little rich senators skill, though it’s not a one trick pony. So just have fun everyone, ohh and Ignoramus I am so wounded you would ever even think of betraying us, your on thin ice mister, so you might want to be careful.

Ignoramus
Askthepizzaguy
woad&fangs
Caius
Chaotix

Cheers, have fun.

and please "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!”



Senator Caecillius Metellus Scipio could have been sentenced to a year in jail after allegedly punching another Senator in the face during a bar fight if it weren't for his friend and son-in-law, Pompey the Great.

The Senator is said to have charged at a fellow drinker following a dispute about the famous Flora at the "Gladius Tavern", in Rome, last week.

Scipio is believed to have hit a man known as "Ichigo" in the face after he reportedly insulted Scipio (also known as "AggonyDuck" according to our contacts in the Roman nightlife scene) by calling him "Scipio with the little willy".

The man known as Ichigo told us: "Little Willy got offended by that, and he started pushing my other friends around. He lost control when another patron added that Flora had spread the rumour."

The bartender added: "It was a verbal argument that escalated to pushing and shoving and then a bar brawl."

Senator Scipio could have been sentenced to up to a year if it weren't for the influence of the corrupt Pompey the Great.


Alive (28):
Beefy187
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Cultured Drizzt fan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius

Killed (7):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief

Proscripted (2):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake

WoG/Suicide (0):

It is now Day IV. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Thursday, May 21st at 10:00pm EST.

[seireikhaan]

I'm bored to tears, and they keep prolonging it? :bigcry:

Vote: Navarro

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm

Vote:Chaotix

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Out of interest has anybody had a serious look at the 'messages' sent by Pompeius and Caesar? Does anybody have any current theory about the origination of this propanganda? I would suggest perhaps that these documents may have been altered prior to our viewing of them (the bolding).

I've no strong opinions as of yet, but I would suggest that Nero's revelation has Pompeius worried.

[Chaotix]

Hmm

Vote:Chaotix

I can't imagine why.

First you try to kill me, and now, failing at that, you want to get me lynched instead. Well, that doesn't sound particularly scummy at all. But the oddest part is that I don't think you are mafia; but merely misguided.

Vote: Andres, for the general scumminess he seemed to show yesterday.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm, it seems one of the mafia groups used a girl to get around the protection GH had. Or perhaps both groups attacked him, because there is only one mafia kill for tonight.

The questions I have are:

Why was chaotix out at night?


More than one of the men wondered why the target was out so late, but the thought of their own task kept them from voicing the ironic question. The target had to reach their destination at some point, and when that happened, they would strike.

And who saved him?


The body was followed by a large group of muscled men wielding fierce weapons. The first few engaged the closest men, while several other broke off and started to push their way towards Chaotix. One man, clearly the leader, gestured frantically. “Over here! Quickly! We cannot hold them for long!”


Something fishy for sure...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can't imagine why.

First you try to kill me, and now, failing at that, you want to get me lynched instead. Well, that doesn't sound particularly scummy at all. But the oddest part is that I don't think you are mafia; but merely misguided.


I am not mafia, however you could say that I am not town, either. My only goal is really to survive- I don't have to kill anyone, I just have to make sure that I'm living by the end of the game.


I don't think there's a real reason for me to send you my role pm- I would prefer not to do it at all during the game, actually. That's a last resort for me if I come under suspicion. You aren't yet cleared of being mafia, and I'm not going to place my life in someone's control like that.


:coffeenews:

[Askthepizzaguy]

My vote is up for grabs. Convince me to vote for someone.

[Splitpersonality]

Hmm.. interesting turn of events last night.

Vote: Abstain for now.

[Chaotix]

Why would I bother, Sasaki, to reveal to you like that, if I was working with the mafia?

It may not have been a particularly intelligent idea in the first place, but am I really stupid enough as a mafia to just tell someone that I am and believe he won't vote me for it?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"Special Roles (Number Secret): Names Secret - Abilities Secret - Victory Conditions Secret"

No role pm = guilty as far as I know

[Chaotix]

If I ever revealed my role pm, the town, not the mafia, would be greatly hindered in its efforts by it.

I am not a mafia role, and I'm not out to kill you all. I haven't even tried, and if I did, it would have to be with a vigilante group like anyone else. If I start killing people, it will probably be obvious enough that you'll realize it right away. Then you can kill me for it. Right now, I'm only working to help the town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That must be one heck of a role PM.

vote: Chaotix

It's so awesome, that if we look directly into it, we will die or turn into a pillar of salt. I've never been damaged by a role PM before.

[Chaotix]

No, actually, the reason I won't show you my role pm is for the same reason that Sasaki didn't quote the whole pm that I sent him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, actually, the reason I won't show you my role pm is for the same reason that Sasaki didn't quote the whole pm that I sent him.

Your role pm is irrelevant?

[woad&fangs]

vote: sasaki

He appears to have way too many behind the scenes contacts in a game where it is easy for him to switch to an anti-town alignment. Sorry mate, but your reputation precedes you:toff:

[Chaotix]

Your role pm is irrelevant?

No, it contains information that would inadvertantly hurt the town, much like the rest of that pm.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There isn't anything in those pm's that could hurt the town. Not that I can see.

[ULC]

Vote: Andres

:coffeenews:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

One of the people voting andres should look back at the bit where he "accidentally" revealed GH...I never saw it myself. or was it duck?

[ULC]

One of the people voting andres should look back at the bit where he "accidentally" revealed GH...I never saw it myself. or was it duck?

Actually, it was both of them that did it, so I'd be happy with either getting a nail in the coffin.

I want Andres though, he's a Vet, so it would be like him to be that devious, and after saying investigations were useless, he went and did them anyway.

[Chaotix]

Both are vets, if I recall correctly. I think AggonyDuck played a loooooooooong time ago and has only recently returned.

And, I know this is an all-too-convenient place for me to dissappear, but I've got stuff to do tomorrow and have to sleep. It's 12 AM where I am. I will be back tomorrow.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I am, for now, going to Vote: Abstain.

There is too much going on behind the scenes that I don't know about, and I have little time to look back for clues at this stage. As far as I can tell, Chaotix was not outside of his villa, and he was being protected by at least one group last night, hence why the attack on him did not succeed.

[Beefy187]

Out of interest has anybody had a serious look at the 'messages' sent by Pompeius and Caesar? Does anybody have any current theory about the origination of this propanganda? I would suggest perhaps that these documents may have been altered prior to our viewing of them (the bolding).

I've no strong opinions as of yet, but I would suggest that Nero's revelation has Pompeius worried.

Who ever is Pompey or in Pompeys crew is EB player.

I recall that quote from the EB loading screen.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Navarro
Vote: YLC


Getting some fishy questions....

[ULC]

Unvote: Navarro
Vote: YLC


Getting some fishy questions....

Only fishy if your paranoid out of your mind

:coffeenews:

[seireikhaan]

Only fishy if your paranoid out of your mind

:coffeenews:
Paranoid? It was not I that felt the need to go asking people about their interior decoration because of any implications it might have.

[ULC]

Paranoid? It was not I that felt the need to go asking people about their interior decoration because of any implications it might have.

The implications it might have are profound my leery friend - why not just answer the question? I'm not asking faction, a role, or anything else. Just a simple check, for my sake.

[Csargo]

:huh:

[seireikhaan]

The implications it might have are profound
And here you call me the paranoid one. :bounce:

[ULC]

And here you call me the paranoid one. :bounce:

It's not paranoia, it's fact checking, and it may be used to save lives. I'm sure your interested in saving lives, right?

[seireikhaan]

It's not paranoia, it's fact checking, and it may be used to save lives. I'm sure your interested in saving lives, right?
Saving lives? Dear lad, I myself am terribly bored out of my mind in this world. Why do you think I sit morose in my home every night? I'm awaiting liberation from this dreary, dreary world. Hopefully Dionysus is awaiting me. :smitten:

[ULC]

Saving lives? Dear lad, I myself am terribly bored out of my mind in this world. Why do you think I sit morose in my home every night? I'm awaiting liberation from this dreary, dreary world. Hopefully Dionysus is awaiting me. :smitten:

Fine, then begone with you - I highly doubt you'll die though as you want. Life will most likely be with you for quite sometime.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Sasaki

Because every time Sasaki dies an angel gets its wings.

:angel:

[Jolt]

Who ever is Pompey or in Pompeys crew is EB player.

I recall that quote from the EB loading screen.

That's far from being certain. That's one of the most popular quotes of Pompey, and I've seen it around the forum in unrelated matters to EB. But that is a good lead. It just might not be true.

Vote: Abstain

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I don't think it was Sasaki, if it was then why wait until this point? he already knew that GH was a Praetor long before anyone else. but I am not entirely sure about Chaotix....

Vote: Abstain (when I am fully awake and look over everything again this will probably change)

[Beefy187]

That's far from being certain. That's one of the most popular quotes of Pompey, and I've seen it around the forum in unrelated matters to EB. But that is a good lead. It just might not be true.

Vote: Abstain

Its also the sig GSC uses. So maybe thats where the inspiration came from.

Bottom line, these fellows knows Roman history

[GeneralHankerchief]

IIRC, Ducky was the one that came out with my role, although Andres hinted it at.

And out of curiosity, did anyone organize a group to protect me last night? Whether this is the case or not could determine exactly how much protection the mafia's able to blast through.

[AggonyDuck]

One of the people voting andres should look back at the bit where he "accidentally" revealed GH...I never saw it myself. or was it duck?

Actually the Beskar revealed GH, but that was more or less due to my own stupidity in thinking that Beskar was capable of keeping important information to himself.

[Beefy187]

I have a protection group, incase everyone needs it :bow:

[TinCow]

A quick note: The time limit for rounds keeps getting later and later due to the time it takes me to write/post the results when the rounds are over. This has been later than intended for a long time due to the forum downtime several days ago. I am nearing the point when I'm going to have to do an extended time phase just to wrap the ending back around to a time when I won't be asleep. I anticipate the need for a single 36 hour phase to get the time back where I originally intended it (phases ending late morning/early afternoon EST).

I will give you an option. Would you prefer that this Day round be extended an extra 12 hours, or would you prefer that the next Night round get the extra 12 hours?

[Andres]

Splendid weather and four days off :2thumbsup:

Vote : Sasaki


You like the dark side too much + guts.

@TinCow : I'd extend the day. Long nights tend to break the game.

Back to gardening now. My poor back :sweatdrop:

[LittleGrizzly]

I would go for the day extension... nights seem long even when they are short... at least we can do some voting this way!

Besides im not exactly sure who to vote for at the moment so that gives me a bit of extra time...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

vote: sasaki

He appears to have way too many behind the scenes contacts in a game where it is easy for him to switch to an anti-town alignment. Sorry mate, but your reputation precedes you:toff:



Vote : Sasaki


You like the dark side too much + guts.


This isn't capo :coffeenews:

[Marshal Murat]

I'd like to extend the day period.

I don't really know who to vote for and who not to. Gah!

Vote:Abstain

[TinCow]

The opinions expressed conform to my preference as well. The current day phase is thus extended by 12 hours. Day IV will end on Friday, May 22nd at 10:00am EST. That's approximately 24 hours from right now.

[Splitpersonality]

I don't think Sasaki is a good lynch, yes he has a lot of contacts and power, but there are other people behind the scenes who don't post as much here. We should start looking at people who post infrequently in here, but talk a lot behind the scenes.

[Khazaar]

Vote Ignoramus

I´d really like to know what the names on that Pompeius list mean...

[Caius]

I´d really like to know what the names on that Pompeius list mean...
So do I. I wonder how many truth holds the Pompei argument.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well considering that three of the people on the former list were attacked, and one killed I think we have a good Idea....

[Chaotix]

Vote Ignoramus

I´d really like to know what the names on that Pompeius list mean...

They're the people that Pompey wants dead, no doubt. By that logic, most of them will have either anti-mafia roles, or are Populares by faction, but I'm sure they've probably thrown a few scapegoats into the mix, too.

Caesar's been doing the same thing by mentioning players with supposedly anti-Populares sentiment in his messages.

[Splitpersonality]

Well, I imagine that the point of the messages is to attempt to get rid of anyone supporting their opposers,

but that's just a theory, it could really mean anything....

[Cronos Impera]

<<Takes a chisel, secretly carving an inscription on the pillars of the Senate, than spreads ostrakons on the Senate floor.>>
FoS:Clutured Drizzed Fan

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

why don't you vote for me then? I am sorry Cronos Impera, but could you explain?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ok then FOS: Cronos Impera. Why so cloak and dagger? you show up to post once and don't ever defend your choice. It seems strange to me, and counter productive. It seems quite suspicious to me :holmes:. I am almost tempted to vote for you, but I will wait and see what you have to say.

[AggonyDuck]

Better get some sort of vote in before going to bed.

Vote: Cronos Impera

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Until he gives me some reason he hasn't been contributing
Unvote: abstain, Vote: Cronos Impera
I think that staying silent isn't helping anyone...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote Ignoramus

I´d really like to know what the names on that Pompeius list mean...


They're the people that Pompey wants dead, no doubt. By that logic, most of them will have either anti-mafia roles, or are Populares by faction, but I'm sure they've probably thrown a few scapegoats into the mix, too.

Caesar's been doing the same thing by mentioning players with supposedly anti-Populares sentiment in his messages.

I would assume senatores that the named people on Pompeius' list would be those he wants dead, a proscription list if you will. It could however be a massive double bluff. With regards to T. Claudius (Ignoramus) I'm fairly sure he is on the list because, because of his reveal whereby he claimed to have the ability to switch sides... (Optimate to Populares).

I for one am slightly more inclined to believe it if he has been included on Pompeius' list.

(OOC: @ Beefy: I noticed that too, maybe the person behind Pompey noticed my sig upon my entry into the game?)

[Marshal Murat]

I figure that either Pompey will have Ignoramus killed in some form or fashion, even if he doesn't get proscribed. Ignoramus clearly has is known to have been one role and then switched to another, which either indicates Pompey's secret ability (signally investigation of roles) or Ignoramus is friends with an Optimates who realized he tried to switch to Populares. Or something like that. So really, he's dead if he survives the Proscription and if he survives the night. Just a thought.:indian_chief:

[Iskander 3.1]

Bedtime for me, and I won't be back til after the deadline, so...

Vote: Abstain

[Tratorix]

Since I don't have any clue who to vote for, I will Vote: Beefy. You're unusually active so far this game.

[Cronos Impera]

It's either me or you, Cultured Grizzt Fan.
I've made a promise to you and I'm going to keep it , no matter what.
You change your votes like I change my clothes. Even in this turn you've changed your vote once. This is a diversionary tactic.
Also, you can't investigate anything because a single senator can't investigate anything on his own. Or are you something other than a senator?

[Cronos Impera]

Cultured Grizzd Fan has so far written 44 posts, and changed his vote 4 times in the previous round, and once in this round. This is far from an honest effort, I belive.

[Andres]

I thought I was the only one having a couple of days off+splendid weather. Come on guys, you need to talk more :whip:

I for one am going to Unvote : Sasaki.

It's a bit unfair to vote someone for having a certain reputation :shame:

[Beskar]

Vote for him for killing me off then. :p

[Andres]

Vote for him for killing me off then. :p

Are you certain he killed you?

EDIT: or are you referring to Swords in the Moon?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, you can't investigate anything because a single senator can't investigate anything on his own. Or are you something other than a senator?

Actually, some senators have that ability. It's a weak and useless ability, but they do have it.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Cultured Grizzd Fan has so far written 44 posts, and changed his vote 4 times in the previous round, and once in this round. This is far from an honest effort, I belive.

you are in fact correct, I changed my vote four times. I am very wishy washy, if you come up with a good enough reason for me not to vote for you then I will probably switch my vote. that just happened to happen in the last round, I believed that I had found the right person three times, but each had a very good argument for why they should not be lynched, (or had a very stirring speech), you did not, even now you are not coming up with any good reasons we shouldn't lynch you and be done with it. if you do then please say them, I am listening.

[Ignoramus]

Vote: Abstain

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Ignoramus

Voting abstain at this point is a foolish course of action. Vote for someone and I will remove the vote.

Anyway personally I feel that Cronus is most certainly scum

[Cronos Impera]

I only defend myself with great, stirring speeches only when I am mafia or when I am Mafia AND winning.But now I'm neither Mafia nor winning. A townie roll is blinding for me and I can't choose a side. Therefore I am doing such a poor job....and not voting or killing pevergreen as I did the previous roles.
I always kill pevergreen first when I am Mafia, or pointing fingers at him for whatever reason. That is revenge for him voting for me during my first Mafia game. I never recovered from that humiliating defeat.

I won the Brothel and if you are looking for evidence of any suspicious behaviour you can go into my Brothel record.

[Chaotix]

A tally would be useful... because then I would know if I'm still in danger of dying here.

I am surprised at the lack of activity. Had there been more posts, I would have found myself responding to more of them.

[Beefy187]

Since I don't have any clue who to vote for, I will Vote: Beefy. You're unusually active so far this game.

Or maybe everyone else is unusually inactive.
I usually make it in the top 5.

For the sake of better game, I suggesting lynching off semi lurkers. This should raise the activity and we'll get more to refer to in the later game. Nothing worse then letting a lurker win..

And I checked the activity.. I'm on the middle..

[Jolt]

Correct Tally (I think):

Chaotix: 1 (Sasaki)
Andres: 2 (Chaotix, YLC)
Sasaki: 2 (w&f, ATPG)
YLC: 1 (khaan)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khazaar, Capt. Blackadder)
Cronos Imperia: 2 (AggonyDuck, CulturedDrizztfan)
Beefy: 1 (Traorix)

Abstain: 6 (Splitpersonality, GSC, Jolt, Andres, Iskander 3.1, Ignoramus)

[Jolt]

Correct Tally (I think):

Chaotix: 1 (Sasaki)
Andres: 2 (Chaotix, YLC)
Sasaki: 2 (w&f, ATPG)
YLC: 1 (khaan)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khazaar, Capt. Blackadder)
Cronos Imperia: 2 (AggonyDuck, CulturedDrizztfan)
Beefy: 1 (Traorix)

Abstain: 6 (Splitpersonality, GSC, Jolt, Andres, Iskander 3.1, Ignoramus)

[TinCow]

Andres: 2 (Chaotix, YLC)
Sasaki: 2 (w&f, ATPG)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khazaar, Capt. Blackadder)
Cronos Imperia: 2 (AggonyDuck, Cultured Drizzt fan)

Chaotix: 1 (Sasaki)
YLC: 1 (khaan)
Beefy187: 1 (Tratorix)

Abstain: 7 (Splitpersonality, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Jolt, Andres, Iskander 3.1, Ignoramus, Marshal Murat)

Not Voting: 10 (Greyblades, LittleGrizzly, johnhughthom, Ichigo, atheotes, TheFlax, Caius, Beefy187, Cronos Imperia, everyone) :whip:

[Greyblades]

Yeah yeah...
Vote: Beefy.

[TinCow]

Yeesh...

I am leaving shortly after the deadline expires (in about an hour) and will not be back until several hours later. I am NOT going to lynch 5 people at once, so if the time limit expires with the voting still tied, voting will continue until I can get back online in the early afternoon. Whenever I get back online, whoever is leading at that point will be lynched without warning.

[Ignoramus]

Vote Ignoramus

Voting abstain at this point is a foolish course of action. Vote for someone and I will remove the vote.

Anyway personally I feel that Cronus is most certainly scum

Alright.

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Cronus

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Sasaki

Um, because.... I think he's mafia.

[Captain Blackadder]

UNVOTE Ignoramus

Vote Cronus

[Beefy187]

Vote: Cronos

Seems like the best option we have.

[TinCow]

Voting concluded.

[TinCow]

“Even if you have nothing to write, write and say so.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/573/lawrencealmatademadisco.jpg

There was little discussion in the Senate. Many men were cowering in their corners, fearful of saying anything that might offend the others. Others ducked out early to go bathing. The day’s ‘debate’ turned into little more than a discussion between whoever happened to remain, and even then many were unwilling to commit to a position.

However, the Senate was also unwilling to let the day drag on longer, and thus towards the end a flurry of voting began. Cronos Impera was the target, and soon the startled Senator found himself isolated and vulnerable. His vehement accusations had provoked the ire of his colleagues, and proscription seemed likely.

At the last minute, an older man in a fine, white toga rose and began lecturing the Senate about their unwillingness to speak up in such a time of crisis. He cited many historical examples of when silence resulted in the downfall of great peoples, and many a head in the Senate was soon bowed in shame. Eventually he turned his attentions towards Andres, whose face grew confused. “But, I was speaking…” he began, before the older man wave his hand dismissively at him. “Yes, yes, but you were speaking erroneously. You are an example of passivity and that will not due in a time of crisis!” The older man then began to lecture Andres on how important it was to root out those who meant to destroy the Republic. He then began to discuss Cultured Drizzt fan and explained how voting for him would be far preferable to abstaining. “But, it won’t even make a difference…” complained Andres. The man waived his hand dismissively again, “That’s not the point!” He opened his mouth to begin yet another lecture, but Andres shrugged, “Fine, fine! I shall do as you say, just stop lecturing me!” Andres promptly changed his vote to Cultured Drizzt fan.

As had been noted though, it did not make a difference in the final tally. As it became clear that Cronos Impera was in the lead by a moderate margin, his face began to whiten. He rose from his seat in the Optimates section and attempted to flee from the Curia, but a few guards outside the gates grabbed him as he tried to run by. The men nodded to Senators inside, a subtle thanks for the prosperity their families were about to receive, and proceeded to slit Cronos Impera’s throat. They dropped his body on the floor and left to go appraise their new properties.

The Senators filed out into the city.

Cronos Imperia: 5 (AggonyDuck, Cultured Drizzt fan, Ignoramus, Capt. Blackadder, Beefy187)

Andres: 2 (Chaotix, YLC)
Sasaki: 2 (w&f, ATPG, johnhughthom)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khazaar)
Beefy187: 2 (Tratorix, Greyblades)
Chaotix: 1 (Sasaki)
YLC: 1 (khaan)
Cultured Drizzt fan: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: 5 (Splitpersonality, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Jolt, Iskander 3.1, Marshal Murat)

Not Voting: 7 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo, atheotes, TheFlax, Caius, Cronos Imperia, everyone)

Alive (27):
Beefy187
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Cultured Drizzt fan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius

Killed (7):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief

Proscripted (3):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera

WoG/Suicide (0):

It is now Night V. This phase will end on Saturday, May 23rd at 10:30am EST.

[Greyblades]

Why am I on the not voting list?

[LittleGrizzly]

Big apologies, late night, assumed i would have time to come back and make my vote... i quite possibly would have gone for Cronos seen as im the one who made the case on him before...

Andres vote got changed to Cultured Drizzt ?

Sasaki has a 2 next to him but three people voting for him... or is that just a typo ? Ignoramus as well....

[Splitpersonality]

Curse my timezone difference, I keep leaving and expecting to be back in time to see the final tally. Which is why I don't vote more than abstain. I am sorry senators...

[TinCow]

Why am I on the not voting list?

Apologies, I was in a rush when I wrote that up. I have fixed it.

[Jolt]

Hm...Is Cicero trying to tell us something about Drizzt? Obviously his lonely vote wouldn't make that much of a difference, so maybe he's pointing out something about Drizzt. Cato also didn't vote. Maybe GH was really Cato? Or did Cato not use his aiblity just to enhance Cicero's vote change?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I wonder if Cronos was Cicero? it would explain some things.

[Jolt]

Yeah, that might also explain it. Still, it is weird why Cicero voted while Cato didn't.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I have a feeling the two aren't coordinating their actions, Navarro may have been a fluke, it would make a lot of things clear, though we still wont know who's side they are on (are they trying to help us or the Mafia?)

[Ignoramus]

7 people not voting. That's not very good guys. TinCow deserves better than that, after all the time he's put into the game.

[LittleGrizzly]

Cultured any reason why vote changer would target you ?

Ill be back early hours of tomorrow morning to vote..

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I have no Idea.

[Caius]

Im back. I've traveled something like 10 hours today. I arrived home to notice that the telephone line is broken. Damn.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I feel kind of depressed that no one wants my help in their night actions..... I have to sit here and twiddle my thumbs and wait...:shame: (and by this I mean to say does anyone need any help?)

[TinCow]

Night 5 over, write-up commencing.

[TinCow]

“Some men are more beholden to their bitterest enemies than to friends who appear to be sweetness itself. The former frequently tell the truth, but the latter never.”
- Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis

https://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3266/aromanemperorad41detail.jpg

Andres was sipping wine and thinking deeply about the events that had transpired. He was greatly concerned for the future. The killings and proscriptions had resulted in numerous deaths, and Rome was in a veritable state of terror. However, there was still hope, and perhaps that was enough.

That notion was quickly dashed, as a cry of alarm came from the front of the villa. Andres raised his head wearily, knowing full well what that sound indicated. He sighed heavily, downed the rest of his wine, and turned his chair to watch the door. As expected, within moments several men armed with gladii ran into the room. When they saw him, sitting calmly and waiting, they stopped. “No guards this time?” one of them asked.

Andres shook his head, “I am here alone. Is that worrisome to you?”

The men grinned wickedly and raised their blades. “Quite the contrary.” They swarmed over Andres, stabbing him brutally. When they finally pulled back, all that could be seen was a slashed and bloodied toga covering the corpse beneath.


…

The two groups of men were crouched outside LittleGrizzly’s villa. Some were watching the stars, others reading graffiti on a nearby wall, still others picking lint out of their navels. A few more hours passed before the boredom overwhelmed them. There was some grumbled discussion about the hour and the location of their conspirators, but eventually the decision was made. They sheathed their sharpened pugii and, taking one last, long look at LittleGrizzly’s villa, disappeared into the back alleys of Rome.


…

The butcher’s wife had woken up in the middle of the night with a parched throat. She got up and began groping in the darkness for a ewer of water when she heard strange sounds coming from the street out in front of the insulae. She crept over to one of the shuttered windows and peeked through. Out in the street, two groups of men were facing off.

Two large groups of pugii-armed men were facing off against one another. In the middle, each side had sent three leaders to speak for them. These six men stood between the two mobs, arguing and gesturing frantically. The name of everyone was frequently mentioned, and both groups gestured in the direction of his villa at regular intervals. Eventually, one of the leaders threw up his hands in apparent frustration, turned on his heels, and stomped back to the main mob, his fellow leaders following shortly behind. There was some quiet discussion with the others, before they all dispersed into the city.

The group of men who had blocked the path of the others remained for some hours, scanning the dark side-streets. Eventually, they too disappeared, but by that time the butcher’s wife had become bored and gone back to bed.


…

The Senators filed glumly into the Curia for another day of state-sanctioned executions. Every man was nervous that he would be the choice of the day. Most men were too busy brooding in their own thoughts to notice the empty seat in the Populares section. More attention was paid to the notices nailed to the Curia doors:


Another good day everyone! Andres dead, and the Populares down another man! I would sing a song if I wasn't so busy plotting Caesars death. I am quiet disappointing Cronos had to die, but oh well. On to business! Is anyone willing to help a poor old Tyrant out yet? you must all realize we are reaching a point where you need to decide what you plan on doing, if you want to cling to your idiotic ideals or live. Yes I said it, the next person to even HINT that they want to overthrow BOTH me and Caeser will be killed, faction will be irrelevant. Now, I know that some of you have the ability to send anonymous messages to me and Caesar, well guess what, now the time to point it out! any man who comes forward with this ability and chooses to ferry a message promising fealty to me between himself and others will be promised nighttime protection by my men (of course, lie and prepare to die, and I will know!). Come now! its a chance to have some real fun! you will have the power of life and death over your fellows! (oh yes, Caeser I will not attack any messenger you have brought forth as well, in this matter I propose a truce. Though I shall continue trying to kill you). ah Caesar you are the racer X to my speed racer, I could go on but I wont. So all of you, please see the sense in Killing Caeser, and letting me live. look at the numbers, Optimates are ahead, use it! that about it, though I am somewhat suprised no one has gotten the Chekhov's Gun hanging on the wall.
and please try and find the sense in my lists, I mam sure if you all tried to actually talk to me then I would tell you, I am just so lonely.

SASAKI KOJIRO Unlike crazy Caesar I have evidence backing things up.

Cheers, Have fun


The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on



You send your servants off to watch Sasaki Kojiro’s villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch a side entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed patricians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of AggonyDuck, who is clearly an Optimates.

Your men spy something else that is curious. At one point a servant pokes his head out a rear door and looks around cautiously, as if attempting to spot any observers. After a few moments of seeing nothing, he whistles. A group of twenty armed men, guarding a palanquin carried by four slaves, walks towards the villa. One of your men manages to take a good look at the palanquin and sees Pompeia Magna in it.

Ludi incipiant! (Let the Games begin!)

Senators, as you can see, we have reasons to believe Sasaki Kojiro is Pompey the Great.

Last night, we lost Marcus Antonius. We do no longer have sufficient manpower to break through Pompey's defenses.

We need the Senate to take him out.

Lynch Sasaki Kojiro.

The write-up of my investigation indicates that he is either Pompey the Great or that he was recruited by Pompey the Great. Remember the beautiful woman visiting GeneralHankerchief? That was my daughter trying to recruit him. Unfortunately, he died that very same night.

We also wish to inform you that the Optimates are currently outnumbering the Populares by a disturbing large margin.

Be careful, dear Populares. Do not trust the Optimates.

Gaius Julius Caesar.

Alive (26):
Beefy187
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Cultured Drizzt fan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius

Killed (8):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief
Andres

Proscripted (3):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera

WoG/Suicide (0):

It is now Day V. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Sunday, May 24th at 11:30am EST.

[Splitpersonality]

The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on

Am I hallucinating or is/was that part of someone's sig? @_@

[White_eyes:D]

That's Greyblades sig.....:laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Weird, he even got that I like Yugioh abridged.

[Chaotix]

Notice that both tyrants mention Sasaki Kojiro as someone they want dead. Pompey claims him as an enemy, while Caesar claims him to be Pompey, or one of his henchmen.

:laugh4:

Thank you, tyrants! Now we know Sasaki is just a little scapegoat of yours. Just about everything that they say is lies.

For now... Vote: Abstain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You'd really put it past Sasaki to point the finger at himself.

Strange.

[Greyblades]

Or... maybe thats their intention: to have a mafia "confirmed" innocent and therefore overlooked.

I swear, its like every 5 minutes there a new WiFOM posted on this board.

[Caius]

Pompey is lonely? Does that mean that Pompey the Great is losing power? I don't get it, Pompey.

Anyway, I've noticed that the Senator Iskander comes, vote to not to be Wogged, dissapears, and so forth. I'm going to pressure him, just to know if he has something to do with that.

Forgot the vote. Vote:Iskander

[Askthepizzaguy]

I swear, its like every 5 minutes there a new WiFOM posted on this board.

That is why I am so confused.

Well I can basically prove I am not Caesar or Pompey, and neither are any of the replacement players, as it's patently obvious that Caesar and Pompey are active players. I have NO idea why I wasn't murdered last night, for that reason. I'm proven innocent. I've even said I was an investigator. I've already cleared two people.

Sometimes I wonder what the dictators are smoking.

[Andres]

The detective result on Sasaki seems genuine :shrug:

But then again, it could be fake. Don't know what to think of it.

Caesar also tries the "divide et impera" approach, trying to create some paranoia between the Optimates and Populares faction.

I suggest all Senators stay focused on hunting scum and don't fall for it.

'khaan is still here and so far he has only made nonsensic "please mafia, kill me"-posts. If there's one mafioso you guys should fear, it's him.

[Andres]

That is why I am so confused.

Well I can basically prove I am not Caesar or Pompey, and neither are any of the replacement players, as it's patently obvious that Caesar and Pompey are active players. I have NO idea why I wasn't murdered last night, for that reason. I'm proven innocent. I've even said I was an investigator. I've already cleared two people.

Sometimes I wonder what the dictators are smoking.

a) why do you think Caesar or Pompey write their messages themselves?
b) How are you "proven innocent"? It's not uncommon for mafia to be able to investigate, certainly in role heavy games. Being "an investigator" is not "proven innocent" in this game.

[Chaotix]

Yep, I suppose it's also possible that they just want to keep Sasaki alive. But both mafia groups? Surely if he's mafia at least one of them must want him dead.

I don't know. I didn't get a mafia vibe from Sasaki when speaking to him (doesn't say much, given his skill), and whenever he's killed, it's been as a vigilante, not a mafioso- he offed pevergreen and tried to kill me in this way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

a) why do you think Caesar or Pompey write their messages themselves?
b) How are you "proven innocent"? It's not uncommon for mafia to be able to investigate, certainly in role heavy games. Being "an investigator" is not "proven innocent" in this game.

Paranoia strikes again.

I hardly think that someone with the role of Caesar or Pompey just sat around until they were replaced. I SUPPOSE it is possible someone is writing their messages for them. In short, you can suspect me all you like and I have no defense. I'm not concerned with wasting time in defending myself.

[Chaotix]

The detective result on Sasaki seems genuine :shrug:

But then again, it could be fake. Don't know what to think of it.

Caesar also tries the "divide et impera" approach, trying to create some paranoia between the Optimates and Populares faction.

I suggest all Senators stay focused on hunting scum and don't fall for it.

'khaan is still here and so far he has only made nonsensic "please mafia, kill me"-posts. If there's one mafioso you guys should fear, it's him.

I believe the investigation is probably faked- if you look at it, it starts in exactly the same way as another investigation posted in this thread, and then continues in the same fashion, subbing in only a few words.

Still, it could be true for that reason. I know my night actions get a different results pm every time I use them.

[Andres]

Yep, I suppose it's also possible that they just want to keep Sasaki alive. But both mafia groups? Surely if he's mafia at least one of them must want him dead.

Well, maybe one of them names him to keep him alive and the other group to get him lynched :laugh4:

He seems to be very popular.


I don't know. I didn't get a mafia vibe from Sasaki when speaking to him (doesn't say much, given his skill), and whenever he's killed, it's been as a vigilante, not a mafioso- he offed pevergreen and tried to kill me in this way.

Mafiosi can take part in vigilante groups and they can withdraw from it themselves to make it fail.

What's your point, exactly?

[Chaotix]

That is the point. Everything he's done so far seems to point to him being innocent, but it's also all WIFOM, because a mafioso could do the same things to make himself look innocent.

As such, I don't know what to think of him. :shrug:

[Andres]

Paranoia strikes again.

I hardly think that someone with the role of Caesar or Pompey just sat around until they were replaced. I SUPPOSE it is possible someone is writing their messages for them.

It's not uncommon for hosts to accept orders for mafioso A from his partner B. And the mafiosi can have team mates to write the messages for them.



In short, you can suspect me all you like and I have no defense. I'm not concerned with wasting time in defending myself.

vs.



Well I can basically prove I am not Caesar or Pompey, and neither are any of the replacement players, as it's patently obvious that Caesar and Pompey are active players.


~:confused:

:inquisitive:

What are you smoking, pizzaguy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What are you smoking, pizzaguy?

Lord Winter
Last Activity: 05-20-2009 00:48

Posted on the 18th on these forums, as well as the 8th and 16th. He obviously got his role PM.

So you're saying Lord Winter completely blew off his entire team? Just abandoned everyone even though he was one of the most important roles in the game?

I don't think so. But believe what you want, because as a claimed investigator, I WILL get lynched or vigilante'd or killed by the mafia.

It's utterly ridiculous.

[Andres]

Lord Winter
Last Activity: 05-20-2009 00:48

Posted on the 18th on these forms, as well as the 8th and 16th. He obviously got his role PM.

So you're saying Lord Winter completely blew off his entire team? Just abandoned everyone even though he was one of the most important roles in the game?

I don't think so. But believe what you want, because as a claimed investigator, I WILL get lynched or vigilante'd or killed by the mafia.

It's utterly ridiculous.

What's utterly ridiculous? That you'll get lynched or killed because you claimed "investigator"? Most of us will be lynched, vig killed or mafia killed by the end of the game.

And about Lord Winter completely blowing off his team, that same argument could be used if he had gotten the role of pro-town investigator, no? Mafia or detective, both are important roles, so your argument isn't exactly convincing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's utterly ridiculous? That you'll get lynched or killed because you claimed "investigator"? Most of us will be lynched, vig killed or mafia killed by the end of the game.

And about Lord Winter completely blowing off his team, that same argument could be used if he had gotten the role of pro-town investigator, no? Mafia or detective, both are important roles, so your argument isn't exactly convincing.

It's ridiculous that I would be Caesar or Pompey and claim to be an investigator. Because, that means the "rival" mafia have 2 potential reasons to get rid of me. And claiming investigator is also a pretty fair way to get oneself lynched.

I am not that concerned with convincing you, though. You can believe whatever you like. :shrug:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm getting bad vibes from Ignoramus. He was in the know for our little group and we've been getting booted off one-by-one. In addition, he's a bit more active than usual.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sounds good to me. Ignoramus being active does reek of him having a role. I take it he didn't claim to be anything important, GH?

vote: Ignoramus

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm getting rather irritated with these tyrants. They should have stopped by my cozy home by now. :bigcry:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sounds good to me. Ignoramus being active does reek of him having a role. I take it he didn't claim to be anything important, GH?

vote: Ignoramus

Me being dead, I'm not sure how much I'm exactly allowed to reveal.

[AggonyDuck]

Didn't he publically reveal himself as a faction shifter?

[Andres]

This is the role he claimed in the thread:


Fo everyone to see, here is my role pm:

“Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.”
- Publilius Syrus

Tiberius Claudius Nero (Tiberius Nero)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)

The gens Claudius are nearly as old as the Republic itself, and you are a prime example of their aristocratic heritage. Your father was an ally of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus and took a strong stand against Lucius Sergius Catilina’s failed Populares uprising. Everything you have been taught, and everything that you are, is a conservative and an Optimates in the finest traditions of Old Rome. Yet, you have always admired Gaius Julius Caesar. The man is charismatic and friendly to those who would be his friends, including you. More than once has he extended a kind word when it was unnecessary, or voiced support for you in the Senate when it was of no benefit to him. You know that there would be worse things in the world than Caesar as Dictator.

Should you wish it, you could cross over to the Populares at any time; Caesar’s blessing would surely be enough to convince all of his followers to accept you. Then again, you could also aid the dying Republic. There are few in Rome who possess your unique political flexibility, and it will allow you the freedom to chart your own course, going wherever the winds of fortune take you.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Damnatio Memoriae: Despite your long-standing ties to the Optimates, there has always been a part of you that has sympathized with the ideals of the Populares. Unlike most Senators, you are capable of crossing over to the other side and convincing them that the shift was sincere. Of course, such an action would only be believable once. You can switch your allegiance to the Populares at any time, but you cannot switch back. This will permanently change your role and victory conditions to those of a Populares Senator.

[Andres]

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm getting rather irritated with these tyrants. They should have stopped by my cozy home by now. :bigcry:

Surely, by now you have more to add to the discussion than just this, dear 'khaan.

[seireikhaan]

Surely, by now you have more to add to the discussion than just this, dear 'khaan.
:thinking:

Hmmm.... nope.

Wait....

Actually, I still think YLC is total scum for rolefishing me.

[Andres]

:thinking:

Hmmm.... nope.

Wait....

Actually, I still think YLC is total scum for rolefishing me.

Why so evasive, 'khaan?

[seireikhaan]

Me being dead, I'm not sure how much I'm exactly allowed to reveal.
So, GH, there's not anything you can reveal?

[GeneralHankerchief]

So, GH, there's not anything you can reveal?

As a matter of fact, yes, but not to you.

[seireikhaan]

As a matter of fact, yes, but not to you.
:yes: Very well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Was Andres ever proven innocent? Because I smell an Andres bluff.

I'm about to vote for Shinseikhaan.

[AggonyDuck]

Dear Pompey,

I've been looking at your lists and trying to make sense of them. I initially thought that the first list was a list of Populares you know of and when the other list came up I figured it was a list of Optimates you know of, but then I noticed that woad&fangs was on both lists! That makes no sense and has left me very confused over the meaning of your lists. So could you be kind enough to explain to a confused Optimate what your lists are meant to achieve?

Yours,
Spinther

[Chaotix]

Vote: Khaan

For nonsense. Repeated nonsense.

You want to be killed so much by the mafia; let's see how you like being lynched instead.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

so much WIFOM.... god, this is getting complicated
Vote: Shinseikhaan, because who in the world would want to die in a game as great as this. you keep asking to die, why? could you explain?

[Greyblades]

I'm getting a headache. Vote Khaan ^^What he said

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Cultured Drizzt fan

Still bandwagoning I see.


The claim is that I was visited by pompey's daughter, so I must be either pompey or a new convert. However, I see no reason why pompey's daughter would be sneaking in to see her father, and I was told that GH was roleblocked by the woman visiting him. I wasn't visited by pompey's daughter in any case.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

no, but I can see at this point there is no reason to abstain, if Shinseikhaan can come up with a good reason he keeps moaning for the mafia to come and find him my vote will change.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I just got home from taping a movie and after reading through the posts decided to vote Shinseikhaan, call it what you will.

[Greyblades]

Um... you do know that theres an edit button?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:embarassed: no comment

[seireikhaan]

Oh thank you, thank you, sweet Jupiter, for finally aligning to have this miserable existence extinguished!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

uhhh why?