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Greyblades
05-23-2009, 20:27
Oh dear merciful host. He doesnt have a joker role does he?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-23-2009, 20:36
ok I will bite, whats a joker role?
Greyblades
05-23-2009, 20:39
An "end the game if I die" role. Its very nasty: if we lynch/kill him and it turns out hes a joker then its game over and everyone dies.
GeneralHankerchief
05-23-2009, 20:45
An "end the game if I die" role. Its very nasty: if we lynch/kill him and it turns out hes a joker then its game over and everyone dies.
I seriously doubt that TinCow would include such a role in this kind of game.
Greyblades
05-23-2009, 20:46
:shrug: then maybe hes an actor role?
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2009, 21:22
Meh. I think TinCow hates those kinds of roles just like most of us do. I think Khaan is being his usual roleplaying self. If he happens to be mafia it looks pretty bad for him anyway. I'd just hate for him to die since I'm Pompey and he's one of my subordinates.
I think Ignoramus is an equally lovely choice.
Greyblades
05-23-2009, 21:29
I'd just hate for him to die since I'm Pompey and he's one of my subordinates.
But uh....um wha.... oh dang you and you wifom's.:wall: Dang you all to heck!
If such a Role exists I will contribute with a donation to burn down TinCow's house or apartment.
In any case, khaan's attitude is very weird. However, repeatedly asking for the Mafia to kill him when there are two Mafias and he would belong to one of them is even weirder. My bet is he is a Consul or Praetor.
I would abstain again, but this deep into the game I suppose I should make my vote felt too.
Proscript: CulturedDrizztFan
Not only have you given me some vibes towards scumminess. But Cicero did vote change for you so I'm willing to bet he knows something we do not.
AggonyDuck
05-23-2009, 21:44
Although Shinsei seems like a good lynch, I'm going with my gut here and vote for Ichigo. Something just isn't right with him. Firstly his reaction to his murder attempt in the write up seemed very ominous and now he has gone missing from this thread since Thursday morning, despite actually visiting and posting at the .org during the same time. It does strike me as something planned rather that something done out of indifference, especially when the contrast to his previous activity is marked. I find these to be valid reasons to suspect Ichigo enough to warrant a vote for his lynch. Additionally I'm still puzzled at who actually protected him as it seemed like they were his own guardians, not a senator group.
Vote: Ichigo
Although Shinsei seems like a good lynch, I'm going with my gut here and vote for Ichigo. Something just isn't right with him. Firstly his reaction to his murder attempt in the write up seemed very ominous and now he has gone missing from this thread since Thursday morning, despite actually visiting and posting at the .org during the same time. It does strike me as something planned rather that something done out of indifference, especially when the contrast to his previous activity is marked. I find these to be valid reasons to suspect Ichigo enough to warrant a vote for his lynch. Additionally I'm still puzzled at who actually protected him as it seemed like they were his own guardians, not a senator group.
Vote: Ichigo
He either doesn't have guards, or they were away protecting someone else last night. So, yes, I do think it's suspicious that he was leaving clues that he might be a Consul/Praetor. Then again, without him there is still one missing defense role to be found...
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-23-2009, 22:22
Ok I can accept the scumminess vibes part of your vote, people tend to say that about me all the time.... but I am not sure why you think Cicero changing the vote would affect your judgment. if you did that you also have to accept that Navarro vote change was for a good reason, and I doubt it was. if Cicero can change votes then that means he cant also have a special investigation ability, so he is going on the same thing we are, opinion. I think we are focusing far to much on what Pompey, Caeser, and these vote changers have to say, and leaving all the thinking to them, I believe is a mistake. we have to come up with our own conclusions, so if anyone has a legitimate reason I should be lynched then please do, I wont stop you.
I cant believe we are even considering that the things Pompey and Caesar are revealing in their messages are true.... :no:
Vote: Ichigo
Don't parade around as something your not.
Don't lynch Khaan, quite pointless to do so. I know what you are Khaan, but we don't need to get into specifics.
Greyblades
05-23-2009, 23:35
What is it with all these people thinking they don't need to explain why they want town to vote or not vote someone?
*Sigh* Care to explain why we should not lynch Khaan?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2009, 23:38
Vote: Ichigo
Don't parade around as something your not.
Don't lynch Khaan, quite pointless to do so. I know what you are Khaan, but we don't need to get into specifics.
This reads a bit like you have an agenda in protecting khaan.
This reads a bit like you have an agenda in protecting khaan.
No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.
If he's lying, then he makes himself a target of the mafia needlessly, and thus we shouldn't bother with him. Remember, we have 2 mafia families, so the argument of WIFOM won't work in this situation for him.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-24-2009, 00:20
But he hasn't claimed any role. He just invited the mafia to kill him.
AggonyDuck
05-24-2009, 00:35
No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.
Care to explain for those who don't have your information?
Correct Tally (I think):
Iskander: 1 (Caius)
Ignoramus: 2 (Khaan, ATPG)
Khaan: 3 (Chaotix, CulturedDrizztFan, Greybldes)
CulturedDrizFan: 2 (Sasaki, Jolt)
Ichigo: 2 (AD, YLC)
Beefy187
05-24-2009, 02:16
Khaan either is a mafia playing reverse psychology or has "kill who ever comes to kill me" ability.
Anyways, I like to see khaan alive for now.
Vote: Ignoramus
Iskander: 1 (Caius)
Ignoramus: 3 (Khaan, ATPG, Beefy)
Khaan: 3 (Chaotix, CulturedDrizztFan, Greybldes)
CulturedDrizFan: 2 (Sasaki, Jolt)
Ichigo: 2 (AD, YLC)
woad&fangs
05-24-2009, 03:28
vote: TheFlax
Because I'm not convinced by any of the cases against people with votes on them.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-24-2009, 04:27
if Cicero can change votes then that means he cant also have a special investigation ability, so he is going on the same thing we are, opinion. I think we are focusing far to much on what Pompey, Caeser, and these vote changers have to say, and leaving all the thinking to them, I believe is a mistake. we have to come up with our own conclusions, so if anyone has a legitimate reason I should be lynched then please do, I wont stop you.
I cant believe we are even considering that the things Pompey and Caesar are revealing in their messages are true.... :no:
Not necessarily. Don't take anything as given in a game where everone has an ability. There is also the possibility that Cicero is working with others who do have investigative functions. In my humble opinion, Senators, Cicero would seem to be a neutral agent. Not tied enough to either would-be tyrant to support them, but lacking his own faction to support him. I would also tend to accept the word of such an elder statesman, and do not think that he would use his magnificent oratory lightly.
I would trust Nero's claim as being able to switch sides, and furthermore believe that those targeting him would either be Pompeians or die-hard Optimates who wish to gain victory alone, supporting Pompeius rather than the rightful Republican government.
While I would not put it past Sasaki to use his own name in a dictator's list of targets, I feel that he is being used as a scapegoat in this case. And as a final thought; the greatest lies contain a grain of truth.
Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Iskander 3.1
05-24-2009, 05:06
Actually Caius I've been pretty active, if you'll look...just haven't had as much time in the last 48 hours, but I do what I can. Reading through these posts I think both Ignoramus and Drizzt seem a little scummy, although Ignoramus' reveal doesn't seem too fabricated. And I really doubt that TinCow would put in a Joker role, but then again, you never know.
Sorry Drizzt, I know you and I are friends, but to quote Donald Trump, "It's nothing personal, it's just business."
Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Care to explain for those who don't have your information?
There's a loop, there's loop, in and in out out it goes, where you belong, no one knows, but round and round it goes, where it will stop and with whom few know, but there's a loop, there's a loop and round round it goes, why you were once part of it, but oh noes! There's a loop, there's a loop, up and down and everyside it goes, but there's a loop, there's a loop, round and round it goes, and your not a part so off you go, oh there's a loop, there's a lo-, oh you know how it goes.
There's a loop, there's loop, in and in out out it goes, where you belong, no one knows, but round and round it goes, where it will stop and with whom few know, but there's a loop, there's a loop and round round it goes, why you were once part of it, but oh noes! There's a loop, there's a loop, up and down and everyside it goes, but there's a loop, there's a loop, round and round it goes, and your not a part so off you go, oh there's a loop, there's a lo-, oh you know how it goes.
YLC est persona insana.
Unvote: khaan
If YLC is telling the truth about him, then yes, indeed it would be better for the mafia to take him out than us.
Vote: Ignoramus
I'm not convinced that Ichigo is mafia, yet, and I highly doubt the reasons CDF is being voted, if there are any reasons. Thus, Ignoramus, who remains an unknown, lurking quantity, gets my vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-24-2009, 06:36
Ignoramus took part in a protection last night, and claimed a role which could switch allegiances which doesn't seem likely as a mafia cover role.
edit: drizzt seems a bit nervous
Askthepizzaguy
05-24-2009, 10:22
very well. That does make sense to me.
unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
johnhughthom
05-24-2009, 10:45
Vote: Khazaar.
His night action pm for a townie action was sent late so it failed, pathetically. A cover to pretend he didn't realise when the phase ended, so could commit another (scummy) action?
Beefy187
05-24-2009, 10:59
Vote: Khazaar.
His night action pm for a townie action was sent late so it failed, pathetically. A cover to pretend he didn't realise when the phase ended, so could commit another (scummy) action?
You can't be serious.. You just revealed someone who could've been doing a pro town job.. :thumbsdown:
If you had any interest in if that was a mistake or not you´d contacted me first via PM, right now you´re just looking for a scapegoat. Anyway I think the fact that both dictators target saskai might be becasue they both want him dead. Pompeii alredy offered Cesar a truce, real or not the reason for that seems to be the level of organization of towns nightactions that could potentially threaten both dictators.
Vote: Ignoramus
still wanting to see what he really is since he got mentioned by pompeii.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-24-2009, 11:47
OOC: When I say Nero I mean Ignoramus. In essence Ignoramus is Tiberius Claudius Nero, an Optimates senator who claims to be able to switch sides to the Populares based on his personal service with Caesar. Historically the role PM was accurate and did not seem fabricated. He was mentioned by Pompey in the context of the dictatorial one not wanting a potential side-switcher alive. Anyone who claims that Ignormaus is a shadowy unknown is not paying enough attention, or more sinisterly playing politics...
Tratorix
05-24-2009, 11:51
very well. That does make sense to me.
unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Are you trying to set some sort of record for bandwagoning? First you try to claim innocence because you're a replacement player, then you jump on anyone who gets more than two votes. Vote: ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
05-24-2009, 11:53
Are you trying to set some sort of record for bandwagoning? First you try to claim innocence because you're a replacement player, then you jump on anyone who gets more than two votes. Vote: ATPG
You're right. That does sound like scummy behavior. I'd better make sure I get rid of everyone who suspects me or else I'm done for.
unvote, vote: Tratorix
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 12:54
ahhh well, it was a good run, have fun finding Pompey and Caesar guys.
Not necessarily. Don't take anything as given in a game where everone has an ability. There is also the possibility that Cicero is working with others who do have investigative functions. In my humble opinion, Senators, Cicero would seem to be a neutral agent. Not tied enough to either would-be tyrant to support them, but lacking his own faction to support him. I would also tend to accept the word of such an elder statesman, and do not think that he would use his magnificent oratory lightly.
I would trust Nero's claim as being able to switch sides, and furthermore believe that those targeting him would either be Pompeians or die-hard Optimates who wish to gain victory alone, supporting Pompeius rather than the rightful Republican government.
While I would not put it past Sasaki to use his own name in a dictator's list of targets, I feel that he is being used as a scapegoat in this case. And as a final thought; the greatest lies contain a grain of truth.
Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
but why lynch me? I don't see a legitimate reason in here? could you explain? I can see it wont matter much though, ah well.
AggonyDuck
05-24-2009, 13:06
I'm going to go a cruise now and will be back on Tuesday morning.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 13:21
have fun!
Was Andres ever proven innocent? Because I smell an Andres bluff.
I'm about to vote for Shinseikhaan.
Were you ever proven innocent?
Vote:Cultured Drizzt fan
Still bandwagoning I see.
The claim is that I was visited by pompey's daughter, so I must be either pompey or a new convert. However, I see no reason why pompey's daughter would be sneaking in to see her father, and I was told that GH was roleblocked by the woman visiting him. I wasn't visited by pompey's daughter in any case.
:inquisitive:
No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.
If he's lying, then he makes himself a target of the mafia needlessly, and thus we shouldn't bother with him. Remember, we have 2 mafia families, so the argument of WIFOM won't work in this situation for him.
Why are there two night kills required to dispose of him instead of one? Can you elaborate on that? Slip of the tongue?
Serious FoS : YLC.
I smell a mafioso who revealed too much.
atheotes
05-24-2009, 14:41
reading through the thread i feel :dizzy2:...
cant really make a case or agree on a case against anyone and dont want to bandwagon either...
Vote: Abstain for now
reading through the thread i feel :dizzy2:...
cant really make a case or agree on a case against anyone and dont want to bandwagon either...
Vote: Abstain for now
That's the easy way out. You're either a lazy townie or a mafioso who is satisfied with the current lynch target.
Do some effort, surely one of the living guys must seem suspicious to you.
Abstaining will get you nowhere.
Vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
I seem to get a scummy vibe from him everytime, I might be wrong but I dislike his rampant vote switching. Unless someone points me toward a better vote, I'm going with this.
Vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
I seem to get a scummy vibe from him everytime, I might be wrong but I dislike his rampant vote switching. Unless someone points me toward a better vote, I'm going with this.
Your previous post in this thread is from May 19th and this is all you have to say?
Before you go back to lurking in the shadows, how about you give your opinion on past events, other players etc. instead of just jumping on the bandwagon?
Or did somebody pm you to quickly cast a vote?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 15:22
dang, I seem to send of scummy vibes to everyone (not you everyone...)...... first mini mafia and now this :dizzy2: I need to work on how I play these games....
Tally as of post 792
Cultured Drizzt fan: 5 (Sasaki, Jolt, GSC, Iskander, TheFlax)
Ignoramus: 4 ('khaan, Beefy187, Chaotix, Khazaar)
'khaan: 2 (Cultured Drizzt fan, Greyblades)
Ichigo: 2 (AggonyDuck, YLC)
Iskander: 1 (Caius)
TheFLax: 1 (w&f)
Khazaar: 1 (johnhughthom)
ATPG: 1 (Tratorix)
Tratorix: 1 (ATPG)
Abstain: 1 (atheotes)
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 15:39
sigh..... I really would prefer not to die.....
Unvote: khaan, Vote: Ignoramus yep I did it, sold out my beliefs to live.... :shame: I now live in shame....
Now it shall be up to the gods of chance.
“First appearance deceives many.”
- Publius Ovidius Naso
https://img33.imageshack.us/img33/440/cesaremaccariingresodea.jpg
Several days into the crisis, the Senate was still having difficulty determining the best course of action to take. There was little unity expressed in the debates, and Senators continued to accuse their own friends on a frequent basis. One of the most prolific accusers, Cultured Drizzt fan, finally provoked the ire of the Senate with his inability to make up his mind about who was the greatest threat to the Republic. Whenever other fingers began to point in different directions, his finger soon followed as well. This annoyed many Senators, and soon Cultured Drizzt fan found a large number of fingers turning towards him.
Ignoramus as well found himself on the receiving end of many votes. He had proclaimed a willingness to cooperate with both factions, and this unnerved many men who preferred the safety of partisanship rather than equanimity. Cultured Drizzt fan defended himself vigorously for a long while, proclaiming his innocence and dedication to restoring the Republic to its proper glory, but these pleas fell on deaf ears. So, with no other option left, he changed his vote again, this time to Ignoramus to create a tie.
As the session drew to a close, an older man in a fine, white toga rose and addressed the Senate. He talked about the Trojan who fled the destruction of their city to southern Italy, he talked about Romulus and Remus leading their peoples to the Seven Hill, and he talked about ancient Brutus overthrowing the Tarquinian Kings. It was an eloquent summation of the long road the Romans had taken to the Republic, and many men grew sentimental during the oration. Towards the end, the older man turned to Beefy187 and asked if he would personally help save the Republic. Swelling with pride for his city, Beefy187 shouted emphatically in the affirmative. “Well then, sir, surely Cultured Drizzt fan is the person most worth of your vote…” Beefy187 nodded eagerly. Of course he was, why hadn’t he realized that hours ago? Beefy187 quickly changed his vote to Cultured Drizzt fan.
The Senate had long ago embraced the proscription, and once unleashed it was a brutal animal that fed of its own accord. As the hours drew to a close, Cultured Drizzt fan was the chosen meal. He looked around the room, then bowed his head sadly. “I regret that I have failed you and the Republic. I submit myself to your judgment.” Cultured Drizzt fan saluted his fellow Optimates, and walked out into the forum. As his proscription was announced, the Mob descended on him with weapons bared. They were not merciful, and soon Cultured Drizzt fan lay dead in front of the rostra. One over-enthusiastic man cut off his head, so as better to prove his claim to Cultured Drizzt fan’s possessions. The Senators cut a wide path around the disgusting scene as they filed out of the Curia.
It would be another long night.
Cultured Drizzt fan: 6 (Sasaki, Jolt, GSC, Iskander, TheFlax, Beefy187)
Ignoramus: 4 (Cultured Drizzt fan, 'khaan, Chaotix, Khazaar)
Ichigo: 2 (AggonyDuck, YLC)
'khaan: 1 (Greyblades)
Iskander: 1 (Caius)
TheFLax: 1 (w&f)
Khazaar: 1 (johnhughthom)
ATPG: 1 (Tratorix)
Tratorix: 1 (ATPG)
Abstain: 1 (atheotes)
Not Voting: 7 (LittleGrizzly, everyone, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Ichigo, Marshal Murat, Captain Blackadder, Ignoramus)
Alive (25):
Beefy187
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius
Killed (8):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Proscripted (4):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera
Cultured Drizzt fan
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Night VI. This night phase will end on Monday, May 25th at 12:00pm EST.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 16:43
Well, at least Cicero's Consistent. :skull:
everyone satisfied? good game though people, have fun Finding Pompey and Caesar. just don't put to much faith in Cicero and the messages the tyrants leave you.
dang, I seem to send of scummy vibes to everyone (not you everyone...)...... first mini mafia and now this :dizzy2: I need to work on how I play these games....
In the mini-mafia, you was killed by the Serial Killers.
Unfortunately, you had to be a human. :sad:
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-24-2009, 16:53
good point....
Anyone notice Cato has gone missing? Either he went inactive or he has been lynched...hmmm...
johnhughthom
05-24-2009, 18:01
I'm staying at my girlfriends tonight and she has no internet, so may not be on tonight or tomorrow. Please don't kill me.
edit: Maybe I should follow Shinseikhaan's example and say please kill me? It has kept him alive...
Beefy187
05-25-2009, 01:01
I feel used :wall:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-25-2009, 01:09
Anyone notice Cato has gone missing? Either he went inactive or he has been lynched...hmmm...
Or has been murdered...
but why lynch me? I don't see a legitimate reason in here? could you explain? I can see it wont matter much though, ah well.
A legitimate reason from my perspective is to save someone that I consider innocent.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 01:16
by lynching another innocent person. very strange :holmes:, though It would make sense if you were Caser, and knew that though Ignoramus is a Optimate, he can change sides, while I can not . (crazy theory I know, but heck I am bored so please feel free to take it at face value.)
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-25-2009, 01:22
There is plenty of evidence for the legitmacy of Nero's claim. There is little/none on your behalf. Unfortunately when it comes down to it, one must be sacrificed. In addition I trust my friend Cicero's judgement, the Great Orator has saved the Republic before, and I believe that he will do so again.
I'll freely adnit to being Populares, but as I have stated before the Senate needs to stop being divided along party-like lines and invoke Concordia to oppose the greater threats of Pompeius and Caesar. We can go back to disagreeing after the crisis is over.
(OOC: Nothing personal, but it was my considered opinion that you were the only option to save a more likely innocent.)
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 01:28
nahh that's fine, I was probably just kidding! :clown:
Ignoramus
05-25-2009, 03:37
The Senators filed glumly into the Curia for another day of state-sanctioned executions. Every man was nervous that he would be the choice of the day. Most men were too busy brooding in their own thoughts to notice the empty seat in the Populares section. More attention was paid to the notices nailed to the Curia doors:
Anyone notice the bolded phrase? I think that indicates that Andres was Populares.
Now does that mean that Andres was Marcus Antonius or is a clever ruse by Caesar?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 05:10
Since I have a feeling I might die tonight, I will post this now.
LittleGrizzly should be lynched tomorrow.
I'm currently in a vigilante group, however we don't have anyone we want to kill. Since I want to ensure that we are all taking part in a townie action and not sneaking off to assassinate senators, I'm trying to arrange a protection group. The plan is that the vigilante group will attack the target being protected, and all 7 people will be confirmed to have taken part in the townie group.
Are you interested? The target chosen is the living person with the least posts, username "everyone" because if the protection should fail it will be no great loss.
Sasaki
That is a great idea!!
I am already protecting, i was going to say you may use your vigilante group to attack me if you wish as i know my protection is arranged... but i am not sure what are the chances of your attack group successfully killing me despite my protection... so maybe best to stick with everyone...
I wish to somehow prove my innocence to you though...
Take note of the bolded part. Now, the benefit of pm'ing tons of people to get them involved is, you get a sense of what people are doing or claim they are doing. There were simply not enough people left over for LG to have a group protecting him, or for him to be in a protecting group.
So, my conclusion was that he was either a mafioso or a consul. I told him as much, and asked for his pm as proof.
Im not giving you a consul pm... we could work out something.. but i have no gaurentee your not mafia after a consul pm...
When I said we could do a deal where he sent half the consul pm and I sent him the other half (I've been in contact with a consul since an earlier bout of pm'ing for townie groups), he read it but never replied...what happened to working something out?
Anyone notice the bolded phrase? I think that indicates that Andres was Populares.
Now does that mean that Andres was Marcus Antonius or is a clever ruse by Caesar?
No, it means I'm one of the 15 or so Populares senators. What was your point again?
Since I have a feeling I might die tonight, I will post this now.
LittleGrizzly should be lynched tomorrow.
Take note of the bolded part. Now, the benefit of pm'ing tons of people to get them involved is, you get a sense of what people are doing or claim they are doing. There were simply not enough people left over for LG to have a group protecting him, or for him to be in a protecting group.
So, my conclusion was that he was either a mafioso or a consul. I told him as much, and asked for his pm as proof.
When I said we could do a deal where he sent half the consul pm and I sent him the other half (I've been in contact with a consul since an earlier bout of pm'ing for townie groups), he read it but never replied...what happened to working something out?
So, LG doesn't want to give you his role pm, big deal. You advice us to lynch a possible consul?
Why consul and not praetor? You already know the faction he belongs to?
Ignoramus
05-25-2009, 09:07
No, it means I'm one of the 15 or so Populares senators. What was your point again?
My point was exactly that. I'd only just noticed that line in the write-up. The second half was merely thinking out loud.
So, LG doesn't want to give you his role pm, big deal. You advice us to lynch a possible consul?
Why consul and not praetor? You already know the faction he belongs to?
Incidently he might know who are the two Praetors, while knowing one Consul.
Night 6 concluded, write-up commencing.
“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
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On his way home from the Senate, woad&fangs had heard the news coming down the Via Flaminia. At Auximum, the local senate had determined that the town would not obstruct the march of Caesar’s legions through the city. Prudently, the local garrison commander had withdrawn, but the speed of the Caesarian vanguard forced him to halt and take up a defensive formation. A brief clash ensued, but as with the garrison of Iguvium, many of the legionaries had served with Caesar in Gaul, and their loyalty was questionable at best. Soon after the battle began, many of the defending force deserted, with the majority simply joining the ranks of their opponents. Yet another road to Rome was open, and the crisis grew deeper.
This worried woad&fangs a great deal, and he returned to his villa to think about what he should do. He debated the situation with his freedman advisor, but could not reach a satisfactory conclusion. Eventually, he grew weary and called for his cena. Food and drink aplenty was soon brought before him. After a half hour of gorging himself, woad&fangs was finally slowing down a bit. The last few bites of baked pigeon had parched his throat, and his wine goblet was empty. Where was the damnable wine bearer?!
woad&fangs craned his neck around, looking for the man. He saw a figure in the back holding the wine ewer, and gestured frantically towards him. “Wine, damn you!” The man started forward quickly, holding the ewer out in front of him as he came. woad&fangs began berating him for his sluggishness, and the man took the abuse silently, pouring the wine as instructed. Suddenly, woad&fangs paused, having noticed the extremely large forearm muscles of the wine bearer. He had not always been so strong, had he? Before he could put voice to these thoughts, the wine bearer grabbed his head with both hands. Immense strength poured through his thick fingers, and the last thing woad&fangs heard was the sound of his own neck snapping.
…
YLC was lounging casually on a lectus, waiting for his food to digest, when a great commotion came from the front gate. A few shouts, followed by banging, and then more shouting, before the whole thing turned into an unrecognizable cacophony. A few moments later, an armed man rushed into the room. He paused before YLC, “Sir, the villa is being assaulted by men armed with gladii! You must get to safety!” His eyes wide, YLC did as he was told and retreated to one of the more secure rooms in the villa.
From his location, crouched in a bedroom with a locked door, he could hear the sounds of battle continue for many minutes. After a while, they faded, and irregular footsteps could be heard approaching his hiding place. A knock followed, and a voice stated, “They have gone, sir, we have held the villa and thrown them back!” YLC tentatively opened the door, to find an armed man standing there, clutching his leg, which was bleeding badly. He gave the man a piece of cloth to tie around the wound, and helped him hobble out to the main courtyard.
What he saw was horrifying. Bodies were scattered in multiple places, windows and doors were broken, and nearly everything of value in the room had been broken. His villa was ruined, but at least YLC was alive.
…
The butcher’s wife stayed up extra late, hoping that the strange men would return. She had told the fishmonger’s wife about what had happened the previous night, but the response was skeptical at best. The woman had had the gall to accuse her of making it all up, and had mocked her publicly for it. Tonight, the butcher’s wife was going to prove to herself that she was not crazy. Who were these men, why were they congregating outside her window, and why were they interested in everyone?
Sure enough, well after sunset, footsteps sounded on the street and a group of men approached, walking towards everyone’s villa. Within moments, other men began to emerge from side alleys where they must have concealed themselves, and barred the path of the first group. Both groups were armed with pugii, and soon a standoff began.
After a few shouts and gestures, three men emerged from the blocking group, and two from the walking group. They met in the middle of the street, between the two mobs, once again arguing and gesturing frantically. As with the previous night, everyone was frequently mentioned, and regular gestures were made in the direction of his villa. Other words drifted back to the window where the butcher’s wife stood. One of the men in the blocking group was saying something about “outnumbered” and “or else.” The leaders of the walking group turned and talked to one another quietly, before returning to their side of the mob. After some grumbling and shoulder shrugging, the walking group dispersed into the city.
As with the previous night, the group of men who had blocked the path of the others remained for some hours, scanning the dark side-streets. The butcher’s wife was pleased with the result; that bitch, the fishmonger’s wife, would get an earful for ever doubting her. Plus, she stank and her daughter was a whore.
…
As the Senate re-convened for another day’s discussion, the Senators filed in, their shoulders slumped and their brows furrowed. Yet another night had passed, and without fail the murders continued to occur. Another proscription was inevitable, and all were worried that their name would be the next one on the list. Few men paid much attention to the empty seat in the Optimates section, more were concerned with the notices that had been nailed to the Curia doors:
*taps mic* Is this thing on?
Hello senatos and welcome to good morning rome!. we have a great show for ya today that i hope will provide a lot of food for thought. So,, lets get started shall we.
I would just like to say for starters that you shouldn't trust anything caser says. Why would you listen to a dirty populare? and on that note, i'm disappointed with the lack of senators taking the direct root to deal with their opponents. This is a revolution! go out and get youre hands dirty. We all know that no matter what happens their is no way the senate is coming out of this intact. Do you really want the populares calling the shots? Trying to work with them is a fools errand my fellow optimates. If you show weakness they'll kill you. And if you refuse to join me, i might haf ta kill you.
Secondly, caesar would have you beleive that Sasaki Kojiro is one of my men. Well, he is. That's right, that traitorous dog caesar is telling the truth for once. Sasaki Kojiro is one of my most trusted lieutenants. and the best part is that even though you all know this, you won't believe it. its hilarious! I'm telling you right now that he is guilty as can be. won't your faces be red once i'm in charge? Well, those that survive that is.
Any loyal optimates should find a sharp object and stick it through one of these men:
Shinseikhaan
everyone
Ignoramus
Chaotix
It would really help speed things along, we can only kill so many people before our arms get tired from stabbing.
Cheers, and tune in tommorrow same time, same staiton.
Senators! You have been given the chance to save the Republic and take Pompey "the Great?" out of commision. Yet still he schemes and plots, Senators sent here and there thinking they are doing good but instead being manipulated and kept far away from investigating where they should. You are all puppets on his strings, I have told you his name, I have no need to repeat it.
"Gaius Julius Caesar" (No3. II Tri)
Alive (24):
Beefy187
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius
Killed (9):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
woad&fangs
Proscripted (4):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera
Cultured Drizzt fan
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Day VI. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Tuesday, May 26th at 1:00pm EST.
Greyblades
05-25-2009, 17:21
Hmm thats twice now, I wonder why everyone is being targeted?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 17:27
well I assume because he has been lurking, yet has been on the forums. (he has posted elsewhere, but here only posts enough to not get WOG.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 17:28
Vote:LittleGrizzly
As laid out here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2245498&postcount=807
Andres, your comments make no sense and make me wonder if you have some bias on this issue. You do not normally let people off the hook as easily as you are willing to with little grizzly.
Splitpersonality
05-25-2009, 17:43
that bitch, the fishmonger’s wife, would get an earful for ever doubting her. Plus, she stank and her daughter was a whore.
I have to admit, from the seriousness of the rest of the post, I laughed at this heartily. It seems Caesar is still pushing for Sasaki's death (it was sasaki, right?)
hm...
Vote: Abstain
Hopefully, I'll be back to change this later.
Greyblades
05-25-2009, 17:48
It was both Pompey and ol'Julius who wanted Sasaki dead last turn. I wonder why they have changed their tune?
Vote: LittleGrizzly
Splitpersonality
05-25-2009, 17:53
I don't think they both wanted him dead, that could be all WIFOM though.
"They only say they want him dead because he is actually working with them, but then etc etc"
seireikhaan
05-25-2009, 19:16
Vote: LittleGrizzly
I don't believe this cruel world, why are these people so entranced by my continued existence so as to prolong this benign suffering? :bigcry:
GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2009, 19:22
It's Sasaki.
It's a poorly-kept secret that Sasaki is the nexus of the pro-town network. Take him down and things go that much less smoother. Why hasn't there been at least an attempt on his life yet?
Iskander 3.1
05-25-2009, 19:31
Both LittleGrizzly and YLC seem very suspicious right now (see Andres' post from earlier: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2244956&postcount=787)
Vote: YLC
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 19:32
It's Sasaki.
It's a poorly-kept secret that Sasaki is the nexus of the pro-town network. Take him down and things go that much less smoother. Why hasn't there been at least an attempt on his life yet?
One can reasonably assume that I am protected...
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 19:33
then again, so was GH but he ended up dead. it is a bit strange they haven't even tried to kill you....
Greyblades
05-25-2009, 19:38
One can reasonably assume that I am protected...
Hmm, the night kills, even the failed ones, usually appear in tincows write-ups. I'm guessing Its safe to assume that you have not been attacked yet.
Vote: Sasaki
Nice one - I agree with GH, we should lynch Sasaki. If he's a dead, he will be a much more effective part of the protown network, rather then as a living member who in my book doesn't like competition nor being told off.
Both LittleGrizzly and YLC seem very suspicious right now (see Andres' post from earlier: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2244956&postcount=787)
Vote: YLC
Sharp as a tack you are - having my villa ransacked must mean I am guilty! Notice I had no outside help! Must mean I am guilty.
Greyblades
05-25-2009, 19:43
If he's a dead, he will be a much more effective part of the protown network
What do you mean he'll be more useful to the town network dead? That's just dumb and somehow I doubt that any townie would be stupid enough to lynch the person leading a pro town group.
Unvote, vote: YLC.
seireikhaan
05-25-2009, 19:50
Sharp as a tack you are - having my villa ransacked must mean I am guilty! Notice I had no outside help! Must mean I am guilty.
Silly man, being attacked and surviving is no indicator of your innocence. Anyone could have attacked you. That you have enough wealth to pay for the service of men means nothing.
Lynching YLC is a very bad idea. Trust me on this one, we don't want to lose him.
By the same token, I think lynching Sasaki is not the greatest of ideas, either. He's been, essentially, keeping the town from killing each other off by setting up the opposing mobs. Although this could be better (i.e., two protections instead of one protection and one vig), he's helping to keep the kill rate down every night.
So, while I was planning to abstain, because I don't have much time to play this game today, I find my self Voting: LittleGrizzly, for the sole purpose of keeping these two alive.
If he's a dead, he will be a much more effective part of the protown network
What do you mean he'll be more useful to the town network dead? That's just dumb and somehow I doubt that any townie would be stupid enough to lynch the person leading a pro town group.
Unvote, vote: YLC.
A dead townie, although lacking a vote, has substantially more claim to innocence and has significant motivation to proactively help the town since he won't win otherwise. As a head of the network, this increase is manifold, since he becomes next to completely trustable and can handle sensitive information from others players such as abilities and send out instructions to be followed in an ambiguous manner so as the network doesn't truly grasp what is going on, limiting the effectiveness of infiltrators and insuring they must follow orders or be found out by the network leader, who will be using everyone to their optimum in his own true interests since at this point betrayal is beyond him.
Silly man, being attacked and surviving is no indicator of your innocence. Anyone could have attacked you. That you have enough wealth to pay for the service of men means nothing.
It is too - since I no longer have any stake in it, I am Consul Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus, a senator of the optimates faction. I've played against character the whole game trying to save the senate instead of being the whiny little prude who was angry at Caesar for "ruining" his consulship. Considering the Consul PM has not been revealed, I will not post mine, however, you may have everything other then that.
“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Calpurnius_Bibulus) (Bibulus)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)
As the son-in-law of Marcus Porcius Cato Uticencis, there has never been any doubt as to which political party you have supported. You are a staunch Optimates, and your efforts on their behalf have been richly rewarded. Unfortunately, the main reward that you were given was to be Consul in 59 BC with none other than Gaius Julius Caesar himself! That impudent lout turned the Mob against you, and they attacked your bodyguards and dumped human excrement on you! To save your own skin, you wisely retreated to your home and fortified it against intruders. You did you best to thwart Caesar by constantly proclaiming bad omens, but your term has often been ridiculed as the Consulship of Julius and Caesar.
You have never forgiven Caesar and the Populares for these grave insults, and rightly so! Perhaps now would be a good time to get revenge for all of the humiliations they have heaped upon you… sometimes literally!
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.
Special Ability:
:laugh4:
Now, I've spent most of this game trying my best to form defender cells answerable in a chain to each cells leader, in the hopes of protecting priority targets and being able to isolate those cells which fail, and hopefully ensnaring a mafioso. However, members amongst the first cell decided to be traitorous and went screaming to Sasaki, who has deemed me a threat, one that never existed.
In fact, I have enough information to hang some fairly powerful aspects of the town, and I am starting to feel very, very vindictive - luckily, only just starting.
Iskander 3.1
05-25-2009, 20:06
Lynching YLC is a very bad idea. Trust me on this one, we don't want to lose him.
And why not?
And why not?
Because I am one of the few players that takes a delight in watching everything burn occasionally.
Oh, what stories I have to tell :bounce:
Greyblades
05-25-2009, 20:12
A dead townie, although lacking a vote, has substantially more claim to innocence and has significant motivation to proactively help the town since he won't win otherwise. As a head of the network, this increase is manifold, since he becomes next to completely trustable and can handle sensitive information from others players such as abilities and send out instructions to be followed in an ambiguous manner so as the network doesn't truly grasp what is going on, limiting the effectiveness of infiltrators and insuring they must follow orders or be found out by the network leader, who will be using everyone to their optimum in his own true interests since at this point betrayal is beyond him.
I see your point but I still think it is a bad idea to kill him, if for the fact that I don't like the idea of wasting a lynch when he's more likely to turn out to be town than most of us. Your claims to the contrary or not. Unvote: YLC
Iskander 3.1
05-25-2009, 20:25
Very well, Unvote: YLC for the time being...care to explain how you will promise to use your Consul duties to help us all out?
EDIT: I sill would like to reference Andres' post where YLC seems to know the inner working of how the mafia needed to use more than one night kill. If he's not mafia, might he still be in bed with them?
Vote:LittleGrizzly
As laid out here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2245498&postcount=807
Andres, your comments make no sense and make me wonder if you have some bias on this issue. You do not normally let people off the hook as easily as you are willing to with little grizzly.
LittleGrizzly basically told you to get lost when you fished for his role pm. I would have told you to go fishing elsewhere too in his place. I fail to see why LG should be lynched. Because he doesn't trust Sasaki? Come on now.
Anyway, I think YLC is the better lynch for today.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 20:53
LittleGrizzly basically told you to get lost when you fished for his role pm. I would have told you to go fishing elsewhere too in his place. I fail to see why LG should be lynched. Because he doesn't trust Sasaki? Come on now.
Anyway, I think YLC is the better lynch for today.
:laugh4:
:laugh4:
:inquisitive:
:nurse: ?
Besides, if you were so supicious about him, being in vigilante teams and such, why didn't you attack him?
If he would have been a lying mafioso, you would have killed him and if he would have told the truth, he would have been protected.
:shrug:
You're being inconsistent.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 21:07
It is all there to read and put together, andres, if you wish to.
It is all there to read and put together, andres, if you wish to.
Everything is in that one post?
What's your opinion on YLC and more exactly on the thing he said about needing two attacks to take out a protected target?
Here's the post:
No, but it's pointless to do so in a sense - either he is after it and we waste two night kills the mafia must make on him, or we don't, and the mafia must waste 2 night kills on him.
If he's lying, then he makes himself a target of the mafia needlessly, and thus we shouldn't bother with him. Remember, we have 2 mafia families, so the argument of WIFOM won't work in this situation for him.
I don't think Senators have that kind of information in their role pm. Is it in the consul/praetor role pm? How much of that has been shared in private? Why the need to share that info, since it's bound to get into mafia hands. If a consul/praetor would have that kind of information, then he wouldn't share it.
Or doesn't he care because he knows the mafia already has that info? But that could only be the case if he was mafia himself.
I think YLC is a good lynch; at first sight better than LittleGrizzly (unless there's more info available in the thread than just that one post).
Still, why didn't you try to kill LG if he was your prime suspect? You didn't hesitate to kill on a previous occasion.
Your so awesome at trying to pull things out of context, but my it's my fault for utilizing the English language in a way I can comprehend.
I was stating that it would take two nights (hence two night kills) to kill him, since he wold be protected in the first instance and vulnerable in the second - thus 2 kills are wasted on a target that was significantly less important.
Also, even taken in your context, I, nor would anyone else, need insider information. The death of GH was proof of that, where the first attack failed yet the second attack during the same night succeeded upon his person.
So stop making stuff up and trying to contrive it in a desperate attempt to stop LG from getting lynched.
Unvote:Sasaki, Vote:LG
Marshal Murat
05-25-2009, 23:00
Vote: LG
johnhughthom
05-25-2009, 23:16
Vote: LG
Care to enlighten us as to why you voted that way?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-25-2009, 23:21
Care to enlighten us as to why you voted that way?
Care to enlighten us as to why you aren't voting?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 23:21
Vote: LittleGrizzly
I don't believe this cruel world, why are these people so entranced by my continued existence so as to prolong this benign suffering? :bigcry:
sorry buddy I tried! :clown:
johnhughthom
05-25-2009, 23:22
Care to enlighten us as to why you aren't voting?
Yet. Trying to decide at the minute.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 23:24
so if we dont vote we get asked why we havent, but if we do vote and then realize latter we were wrong we get lynched.... from this point on I am not voting until the last few hours of a day... (that's official by the way, so don't call me scummy me if I do it. At a latter date obviously)
so if we dont vote we get asked why we havent, but if we do vote and then realize latter we were wrong we get lynched.... from this point on I am not voting until the last few hours of a day... (that's official by the way, so don't call me scummy me if I do it. At a latter date obviously)
"Men willingly believe what they wish."
- Gaius Julius Caesar
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 23:39
do you have a quote for every occasion? :beam:
do you have a quote for every occasion? :beam:
"I shall never be ashamed of citing a bad author if the line is good."
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 23:53
ok how about you tell us who Pompey and Caeser are?
how are you going to answer that :clown:
ok how about you tell us who Pompey and Caeser are?
how are you going to answer that :clown:
"I am amazed, O wall, that you have not collapsed and fallen, since you must bear the tedious stupidities of so many scrawlers."
- Graffiti found on a wall in Pompeii.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-25-2009, 23:57
Touche....... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Which was your role? Insane Senator Andres?
I'd like to point out that Iskander didn't respond to my vote. I wonder why he is afraid of saying us something important.
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 00:02
Vote: YLC
You still haven't explained how you managed to survive that night attack. From the write--up, you were not protected by a senator group, yet you still survived. Special ability or another form of protection?
johnhughthom
05-26-2009, 00:08
I bet you've got pages of quotes sitting in front of you TC, just waiting for the moment to use them. :laugh4:
Vote: YLC
You still haven't explained how you managed to survive that night attack. From the write--up, you were not protected by a senator group, yet you still survived. Special ability or another form of protection?
Tratorix, I'd like to point out at this:
find an armed man standing
This looks like other's night attack on everyone. Two "armies" get toghether and then they just go. Looks like it was a Praetor/Consul.
Greyblades
05-26-2009, 00:12
I bet you've got pages of quotes sitting in front of you TC, just waiting for the moment to use them. :laugh4:
“I will prepare and some day my chance will come.”
Lincon.
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 00:13
Tratorix, I'd like to point out at this:
This looks like other's night attack on everyone. Two "armies" get toghether and then they just go. Looks like it was a Praetor/Consul.
From the tone and what happens after the write up, it seems like the "armed man" was a servant of YLC's. In most of the other write-ups it clearly states the person's surprise at being defended by outsiders. This one doesn't. It seems to me like YLC survived it on his own. Seems like a power only a few important people would have... :inquisitive:
From the tone and what happens after the write up, it seems like the "armed man" was a servant of YLC's. In most of the other write-ups it clearly states the person's surprise at being defended by outsiders. This one doesn't. It seems to me like YLC survived it on his own. Seems like a power only a few important people would have... :inquisitive:
I'd give you a prize for guessing correctly, but I don't feel like handing out common sense today.
From the tone and what happens after the write up, it seems like the "armed man" was a servant of YLC's. In most of the other write-ups it clearly states the person's surprise at being defended by outsiders. This one doesn't. It seems to me like YLC survived it on his own. Seems like a power only a few important people would have... :inquisitive:
I don't really see anything difficult to understand. YLC is a Consul. Consuls have guards who defend them, as long as they are not sent to guard someone else. Thus, YLC survived a night kill, because his guards protected him from being killed. In the case with GH, there were multiple groups that attacked him- his guards could only defend him from one attack, and he was killed by the other.
Marshal Murat
05-26-2009, 00:44
Care to enlighten us as to why you voted that way?
Roma locuta est. Causa finita est - Rome has spoken. The cause is finished- Random site of Latin quotes
Anyone find my sig humorous yet? I sure do.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 00:46
:laugh4: that is pretty humorous, gotta love irony.
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 00:46
I don't really see anything difficult to understand. YLC is a Consul. Consuls have guards who defend them, as long as they are not sent to guard someone else. Thus, YLC survived a night kill, because his guards protected him from being killed. In the case with GH, there were multiple groups that attacked him- his guards could only defend him from one attack, and he was killed by the other.
That makes sense, guess I should have looked over the attack on GH again before I posted. Unvote: YLC, Vote: Abstain
This is why I don't generally figure into a town victory. :laugh4:
YLC, if the ability of a Consul is known, why abstain from including it in your reveal? :dizzy2:
I simply do not understand.
YLC, if the ability of a Consul is known, why abstain from including it in your reveal? :dizzy2:
I simply do not understand.
The wording and specific details of it's function are not. I have no urge to let other mafioso forge and then create a mock setup to parade around as a fake Consul.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 01:09
Because M. Calpurnius Bibulus is not consul.
Vote: YLC
Mind telling us why you are claiming to be such Bibulus?
(Gaius Claudius Marcellus and Publius Cornelius Lentulus Crus are the two consuls...)
johnhughthom
05-26-2009, 01:10
The wording and specific details of it's function are not. I have no urge to let other mafioso forge and then create a mock setup to parade around as a fake Consul.
other mafioso? So you are mafia?
I wonder. the PM says that he is son of Cato. Do you have any kind of connection with Cato?
Because M. Calpurnius Bibulus is not consul.
Vote: YLC
Mind telling us why you are claiming to be such Bibulus?
(Gaius Claudius Marcellus and Publius Cornelius Lentulus Crus are the two consuls...)
Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus (d. 48 BC) was a politician of the late Roman Republic.
Bibulus was the son in law of Marcus Porcius Cato Uticencis. In 59 BC he was elected consul, supported by the optimates, conservative republicans in the Senate and opponents of Julius Caesar's triumvirate. In this, Caesar, also elected consul in 59, had failed in securing the election to the consulship of his ally Lucius Lucceius. Nevertheless, with the combined strength of the triumvirate, Caesar was largely able to circumvent the authority of Bibulus and the optimates.
Bibulus' only major act as consul was to veto Caesar's bill giving land in Campania to Pompey's soldiers, and to then declare that the rest of the days on which the Centuriate Assembly could meet would be religious holidays. Caesar presented his bill at the Assembly anyway, and when Bibulus tried to intervene, the crowd broke his fasces and dumped feces on him. He retired from the Forum, leaving Caesar with complete control over the consulship, although he occasionally issued complaints against Caesar, which led to attacks on his house from Caesar's supporters, the populares. For the rest of the year, the populares joked that the two consuls were really "Julius and Caesar," a pun on the tradition of naming years after the two consuls; the "optimates" returned the joke by referring to the Bibulus' co-consul as the "Queen of Bithynia," an allusion to Caesar's alleged love affair with the king of Bithynia. Bibulus spent the remainder of his term sequestered in his house where he claimed he was watching for omens, an act that purported to technically invalidate all legislation passed that year.
As a senator, in 52 BC, he supported Pompey, who was by then a political enemy of Caesar. Bibulus and Cato Uticencis allowed Pompey to serve as sole consul in 52 BC after the murder of Publius Clodius. In 51 BC he became governor of Syria, but offended the army there by claiming a victory which had been won before he arrived.
In 48 BC he allied with Pompey against Caesar, commanding Pompey's navy in the Adriatic. He captured Caesar's fleet, leaving Caesar stranded in Epirus, although this was a small feat as Caesar went on to defeat Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Bibulus died later in 48 BC.
Bibulus was married twice. From the first marriage he had three sons, including the later statesman Lucius Calpurnius Bibulus. His two eldest sons were killed in Egypt by some of the soldiery which Aulus Gabinius had left there after having restored Ptolemy Auletes to the throne. His second wife was Cato's daughter Porcia.
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Tratorix
05-26-2009, 01:15
Because M. Calpurnius Bibulus is not consul.
Vote: YLC
Mind telling us why you are claiming to be such Bibulus?
(Gaius Claudius Marcellus and Publius Cornelius Lentulus Crus are the two consuls...)
You know this how? Wikipedia( my only source of roman knowledge) says he's a consul.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 01:17
Di Immortales! We've been transported back in time ten years! :laugh4:
Edit: (OOC: I study Roman history. The year we are in is 49BC. Bibulus was consul in 59BC. As I stated above the two consuls of the year are C. Claudius Marcellus and P. Cornelius Lentulus Crus. I'm fairly sure a quick check of wiki will confirm this.)
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 01:22
Di Immortales! We've been transported back in time ten years! :laugh4:
Ah, now I see it. Unvote: Abstain, Vote: YLC
Beefy187
05-26-2009, 01:31
Hello senatos and welcome to good morning rome!. we have a great show for ya today that i hope will provide a lot of food for thought. So,, lets get started shall we.
I would just like to say for starters that you shouldn't trust anything caser says. Why would you listen to a dirty populare? and on that note, i'm disappointed with the lack of senators taking the direct root to deal with their opponents. This is a revolution! go out and get youre hands dirty. We all know that no matter what happens their is no way the senate is coming out of this intact. Do you really want the populares calling the shots? Trying to work with them is a fools errand my fellow optimates. If you show weakness they'll kill you. And if you refuse to join me, i might haf ta kill you.
Secondly, caesar would have you beleive that Sasaki Kojiro is one of my men. Well, he is. That's right, that traitorous dog caesar is telling the truth for once. Sasaki Kojiro is one of my most trusted lieutenants. and the best part is that even though you all know this, you won't believe it. its hilarious! I'm telling you right now that he is guilty as can be. won't your faces be red once i'm in charge? Well, those that survive that is.
Any loyal optimates should find a sharp object and stick it through one of these men:
Shinseikhaan
everyone
Ignoramus
Chaotix
It would really help speed things along, we can only kill so many people before our arms get tired from stabbing.
Cheers, and tune in tommorrow same time, same staiton.
The suspect is definitely a native speaker, but his very careless.. Lots of typos.
His a good tactician, using lots of WIFOMs..
And I'm a Optimates, but I think I rather more peaceful way of lynching all extremest.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 01:34
The suspect is definitely a native speaker, but his very careless.. Lots of typos.
His a good tactician, using lots of WIFOMs..
And I'm a Optimates, but I think I rather more peaceful way of lynching all extremest.
:inquisitive: hhhhmmmmmmm (just kidding)
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 01:35
“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus (Bibulus)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)
As the son-in-law of Marcus Porcius Cato Uticencis, there has never been any doubt as to which political party you have supported. You are a staunch Optimates, and your efforts on their behalf have been richly rewarded. Unfortunately, the main reward that you were given was to be Consul in 59 BC with none other than Gaius Julius Caesar himself! That impudent lout turned the Mob against you, and they attacked your bodyguards and dumped human excrement on you! To save your own skin, you wisely retreated to your home and fortified it against intruders. You did you best to thwart Caesar by constantly proclaiming bad omens, but your term has often been ridiculed as the Consulship of Julius and Caesar.
You have never forgiven Caesar and the Populares for these grave insults, and rightly so! Perhaps now would be a good time to get revenge for all of the humiliations they have heaped upon you… sometimes literally!
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.
Special Ability:
In addition to the historical inaccuracies, YLC has also overlooked the fact that Tincow gave us a template for the Consul PM, which does not resemble this at all.
CONSUL FULL NAME (NICKNAME)
Consul
(Optimates Faction)
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Lictors (Protect) - As you are Consul in 49 BC, you have a group of lictors to guard you. You can send your lictors to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night. Alternatively, you can have your lictors remain at your side to protect you instead. Either way, you must submit a Night Action PM with your orders. Your lictors will not protect anyone, including yourself, if you fail to submit a Night Action PM.
Participation in Senator Groups:
(1) You count towards the success of Senator kill, protection, and investigation groups. If you join a group, you will not be able to use your lictors to protect anyone, including yourself.
Notice how at the very top underneath the name it says 'Consul' rather than 'Senator'. Furthermore I would draw your attention to the fact that the Consuls ability is already outlined... in detail. I would suggest Senators that at the very least Marcus Calpurnius has been trapped in a lie before the Senate in session. This would make him guilty of perjury, even were we not in the midst of a crisis. As it is sadly I must claim that his motives were treasonous, and thereby advocate his proscription. I urge all Senators to vote with me on this issue. LG can be targetted tomorrow, and in any case has had no chance to speak in his defence. Marcus Calpurnius (YLC) has made a total mess of his own defence and is more likely to be Pompeian than anything else.
Beefy187
05-26-2009, 01:35
:inquisitive: hhhhmmmmmmm (just kidding)
Well I'm not a native speaker, so let me off the hook :laugh4:
The fact he may be lying does not make him guilty and he did have protection last night. Do not jump to a hasty judgments.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 01:51
But someone who is caught in a lie is a better proscription than someone whose falsity is conjectured, and has had no oppurtunity to speak in their defence.
(OOC: I'd prefer to see YLC lynched than LG, at least if there are a few more votes on him it gives those who haven't voted another viable choice.)
What is the case against LG?
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 01:59
What is the case against LG?
Sasaki says we should lynch him.
But someone who is caught in a lie is a better proscription than someone whose falsity is conjectured, and has had no oppurtunity to speak in their defence.
(OOC: I'd prefer to see YLC lynched than LG, at least if there are a few more votes on him it gives those who haven't voted another viable choice.)
*Smacks, hard*
I am a former Consul, get it through your head! Read again! I made it clear! How much thicker can you be?
This is very, very odd. I've observed YLC to have guards on multiple occasions, so I assumed he must have been a Consul or Praetor. Later he confirmed it to me, and we saw it as well in the write-ups... if YLC is not a Consul, he is not a Praetor, either- GH was one and I know the other. That means he must be a different role entirely. Whether or not he is mafia...
Unvote: LG
I'm not going to vote for him yet, because I'm unsure of what's going on. But I may change my mind.
Vote: Abstain
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 02:01
*Smacks, hard*
I am a former Consul, get it through your head! Read again! I made it clear! How much thicker can you be?
If you're a former consul, why would you have the role of consul in this game. You would no longer hold the office.
If you're a former consul, why would you have the role of consul in this game. You would no longer hold the office.
*sighs* Precisely. Think of me as a double, a stand in - a normal senator who can survive a night attack, thanks to the fact as a former Consul, I was able to accumulate enough wealth to have a fortress like villa.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 02:05
dude you basically signed your own death warrant.....
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 02:07
*sighs* Precisely. Think of me as a double, a stand in - a normal senator who can survive a night attack, thanks to the fact as a former Consul, I was able to accumulate enough wealth to have a fortress like villa.
Oh, so your just claiming a consul role. Lying is frowned upon in these games.
Oh, so your just claiming a consul role. Lying is frowned upon in these games.
:laugh4::laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 02:11
YLC's claim seems to have been made out of boredom more than having a specific motive behind it.
LG, however was lying for more sinister reasons. And is avoiding responding here.
The only who perceive a benefit from this useless discussion is the ones who are murdering every night our fellow senators. I'd like to hear more about LG. There is not a lot of info, but Sasaki is respalded by Pompey. Pompey said that Ichigo was right, that he was crazy and Sasaki had evidence. Yet this says nothing.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 02:12
:laugh4::laugh4:
OK correction, it is frowned upon IF YOU GET CAUGHT
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 02:13
YLC's claim seems to have been made out of boredom more than having a specific motive behind it.
LG, however was lying for more sinister reasons. And is avoiding responding here.
LG also hasn't posted in Fillet Royale, which makes me think he's busy in RL. I'd rather hear from him before lynching him based on your suspicions. Even if YLC is telling the truth, he lied about being a power role for no real reason and has threatened that we will regret it if we try to lynch him. We don't need him around.
I'm still finding it funny that people think I am an idiot, must run in mafia games where the mafia are all completely lost on trying to remain undercover - seriously, if the Consul pm is open to the public, why would I not use that from my previous PM and forge it if I was mafia? Makes infinitely more sense.
Seriously, give me a slice of intelligence, credit it me with some neural activity.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 02:15
You can vig YLC if you want to. "we don't need him around" isn't a reason for lynch.
LG also hasn't posted in Fillet Royale, which makes me think he's busy in RL. I'd rather hear from him before lynching him based on your suspicions. Even if YLC is telling the truth, he lied about being a power role for no real reason and has threatened that we will regret it if we try to lynch him. We don't need him around.
*facepalm* I am a power role, infact most people are I believe - I am simply bulletproof.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 02:18
You can vig YLC if you want to. "we don't need him around" isn't a reason for lynch.
I think the problem is that he cant be Vigilanted, he will just be defended from it.
Tratorix
05-26-2009, 02:18
Whatever, I'm done discussing this. My vote stays where it is, everyone else can do what they think is best.
Maybe we should just leave the mafia to kill off YLC themselves, instead of doing their dirty work for them. That is what he wants, if I recall correctly.
You can vig YLC if you want to. "we don't need him around" isn't a reason for lynch.
He has a point.
Ignoramus
05-26-2009, 03:33
Does anyone have an updated tally?
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 05:00
*Smacks, hard*
I am a former Consul, get it through your head! Read again! I made it clear! How much thicker can you be?
You did not state that you were a former consul, Bibulus, you claimed to be consul. More than this you claim to be safe from night attacks. The only way of ending your perfidy is through a legally garnered proscription. Your reasons for lying are besides the point, you have been caught and should suffer the consequences. Power roles mean Consuls and Praetors, not venerable and delusional consulars.
And to use the excuse if I was dictatorial I wouldn't be that stupid is a poor effort. It is essentially meaningless. Maybe you deliberately did it in order to use that line.
Based on the facts as they are, my vote remains.
Iskander 3.1
05-26-2009, 05:19
Which was your role? Insane Senator Andres?
I'd like to point out that Iskander didn't respond to my vote. I wonder why he is afraid of saying us something important.
Actually I did. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2244776&postcount=772
:beam:
Alright, after reading everyone's postings, I'm going to go with Kill: LittleGrizzly. The PMs posted by Sasaki are too suspicious to be ignored.
Iskander 3.1
05-26-2009, 05:55
And there I go again. Re-re-re-reading everything I happen to notice that LG hasn't been active in several days, which may explain why he hasn't responded to Sasaki or defended himself here. YLC, on the other hand, seems much likelier to be in bed with the mafia, and I now believe him to be helping Pompey with a mafia victory. Remember that this is a very unique mafia game, and that non-mafia members can aid in a mafia victory.
Unvote: LittleGrizzly; Vote: YLC Shoulda gone with my first instinct.
Ignoramus
05-26-2009, 06:32
I'm unsure on YLC. At least he's appearing to defend himself.
I'm much more worried by lurkers, who tend to get under the radar.
Therefore:
Vote: Little Grizzly
Beefy187
05-26-2009, 06:43
Vote: LittleGrizzly
For now.
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2009, 06:58
vote: Caius
Captain Blackadder
05-26-2009, 07:00
Fellow Senators we must today vote for the Senator known as VOTE LITTLEGRIZZLY he has being caught out in a lie and it is quite simple those who lie normally have somthing to hid I suspect he is that curr Pompey the so called great.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 07:13
I'd recommend that senators start making use of their animus, rather than relying on their hearing. Clearly none among you are actually looking at the evidence in front of you. LG has not been caught in a lie, he merely has not responded to Sasaki's pressure on him. But, and this Senators is the important part, he has not been present in the Curia since the exchange of letters with Sasaki took place. He has not had a chance to defend himself. If the Senate proscribes him here today you will make a mockery of Roman Justice, once revered as the finest in the world. The Mob itself could do a better job running the courts.
The only Senator here today who has been caught in a lie is M. Calpurnius Bibulus (YLC). He has claimed to be consul on a number of occasions, only backtracking when I, a humble ex-tribune called him out, with irrefutable evidence. That such a man would try to deceive you smacks to me of betrayal. Marcus Calpurnius has abandoned the Senate to more adamently oppose his bitter rival Caesar, by aiding the machinations of Gnaeus Pompeius, no Magnus is he!!!
Senators I beseech you, do not let this treachery pass uncensured. Proscript Bibulus before he crowns Pompeius Rex over our broken bodies...
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2009, 07:13
No! I want Caius dead now!
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 07:31
I'd recommend that senators start making use of their animus, rather than relying on their hearing. Clearly none among you are actually looking at the evidence in front of you. LG has not been caught in a lie, he merely has not responded to Sasaki's pressure on him. But, and this Senators is the important part, he has not been present in the Curia since the exchange of letters with Sasaki took place. He has not had a chance to defend himself.
What makes you say that? One can be present and not speak. And he has been caught in a lie--read the accusation again.
The only Senator here today who has been caught in a lie is M. Calpurnius Bibulus (YLC). He has claimed to be consul on a number of occasions, only backtracking when I, a humble ex-tribune called him out, with irrefutable evidence. That such a man would try to deceive you smacks to me of betrayal. Marcus Calpurnius has abandoned the Senate to more adamently oppose his bitter rival Caesar, by aiding the machinations of Gnaeus Pompeius, no Magnus is he!!!
Senators I beseech you, do not let this treachery pass uncensured. Proscript Bibulus before he crowns Pompeius Rex over our broken bodies...
I feel you forget godfather III too quickly.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 07:34
What makes you say that? One can be present and not speak. And he has been caught in a lie--read the accusation again.
I feel you forget godfather III too quickly.
I would suggest Senator, that while one may be present in the Curia and not speak it is much harder to acheive in the entire area of the Forum. Furthermore while respect that you have made an accusation against LG, I do not recall seeing conslusive proof of his falsity, merely that he has, thus far failed to deliver any proof of his innocence, but perhaps you are correct, I shall read your claims again...
Edit: I don't see anything damning in them. A lot that is suspicious and needs to be corrected but not enough to condemn a man in his absence. Allied to the fact that YLC has made a similar claim, and been conclusively proven false, I would suggest striking down the viper in our midst rather than guarding against one which may not appear for some time.
I'd recommend that senators start making use of their animus, rather than relying on their hearing. Clearly none among you are actually looking at the evidence in front of you. LG has not been caught in a lie, he merely has not responded to Sasaki's pressure on him. But, and this Senators is the important part, he has not been present in the Curia since the exchange of letters with Sasaki took place. He has not had a chance to defend himself. If the Senate proscribes him here today you will make a mockery of Roman Justice, once revered as the finest in the world. The Mob itself could do a better job running the courts.
The only Senator here today who has been caught in a lie is M. Calpurnius Bibulus (YLC). He has claimed to be consul on a number of occasions, only backtracking when I, a humble ex-tribune called him out, with irrefutable evidence. That such a man would try to deceive you smacks to me of betrayal. Marcus Calpurnius has abandoned the Senate to more adamantly oppose his bitter rival Caesar, by aiding the machinations of Gnaeus Pompeius, no Magnus is he!!!
Senators I beseech you, do not let this treachery pass uncensured. Proscript Bibulus before he crowns Pompeius Rex over our broken bodies...
Your hilarious - when this is all said and done, I'll crown you rex follis, and we can even make the position compulsory for the rest of your family should they ever enter politics as well.
I've abandoned nothing, not even my senses, which you seem fit to cast to the wind in an ill gotten rage filled tempest of fear, which bespeaks of the tactics of those who would support a Tyranny.
Captain Blackadder
05-26-2009, 07:44
I too am a former tribune and I say the Grizzly is the one caught in the lie he says he was protecting others yet there are not enough of us noble senators to protect more then one person and that person has being protected the past few nights from attack, What he is claiming is an impossabilty unless he is working with Pompey to bring down the Republic.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 07:50
I too am a former tribune and I say the Grizzly is the one caught in the lie he says he was protecting others yet there are not enough of us noble senators to protect more then one person and that person has being protected the past few nights from attack, What he is claiming is an impossabilty unless he is working with Pompey to bring down the Republic.
NB: LG claims he was protected, not that he was protecting others. Lo and behold he survived assassination. Now this may not be an impossibility, wasn't venerable, delusional Bibulus claiming a similar ability earlier today?
I cannot remember for the life of me, wait a moment while I check the records.
Think of me as a double, a stand in - a normal senator who can survive a night attack, thanks to the fact as a former Consul, I was able to accumulate enough wealth to have a fortress like villa.
Well what have we here? A piece of evidence which can apply to both of our prospective proscriptees? I would not have been able to wish for a greater boost to my case. Allow me to spell it out for you Senators.
If Bibulus claims that he could survive a night attack as a Senator, not a Consul or Dictator, and he is believed, then LG could have a similar power.
If this is indeed true then this ends the ambiguity, as LG is more likely to have been telling the truth, strengthening the case for his defence.
Bibulus has been caught claiming to be a Consul, there is nothing in LG and Sasaki's correspondence to suggest that LG made a similar claim. Indeed he says specifically that he will not give Sasaki a Consul PM.
It seems obvious Senators that the stronger case is against Bibulus. LG can answer for his ambiguity at a later date upon his return to the Curia. Remove the pernicious thorn in our collective side, the traitor to the Republic that is Bibulus today!!!
NB: LG claims he was protected, not that he was protecting others. Lo and behold he survived assassination. Now this may not be an impossibility, wasn't venerable, delusional Bibulus claiming a similar ability earlier today?
I cannot remember for the life of me, wait a moment while I check the records....
I'm older then you yet senility grips you even now? The whole argument currently has been whether or not I could infact protect myself! I can! I did! But I never once, ever, claimed to anyone here, that I had lictors under my command - this was something everyone else inferred for themselves.
Khaan has the exact same ability if I am not mistaken.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-26-2009, 08:13
I'm older then you yet senility grips you even now? The whole argument currently has been whether or not I could infact protect myself! I can! I did! But I never once, ever, claimed to anyone here, that I had lictors under my command - this was something everyone else inferred for themselves.
Khaan has the exact same ability if I am not mistaken.
I believe that the following evidence will spek for itself...
It is too - since I no longer have any stake in it, I am Consul Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus, ... Considering the Consul PM has not been revealed, I will not post mine, however, you may have everything other then that.
Two claims to be Consul, and thus to command lictors. Then this...
YLC, if the ability of a Consul is known, why abstain from including it in your reveal? :dizzy2:
I simply do not understand.
A valid question. To which the senile Bibulus replies;
The wording and specific details of it's function are not. I have no urge to let other mafioso forge and then create a mock setup to parade around as a fake Consul.
With yet another claim to be Consul.
I feel sympathy for Bibulus' clientele having to follow and protect the last senile, obstinate fool of a dying breed. My apologies, Marcus Calpurnius, I never expressed my sorrow at the death of your sons in Egypt. Now I am doubly concerned for it has driven you mad with grief and straight into the welcoming arms of Pompeius. It is a great shame for such a noble family to be extinguished in such disgrace...
Ignoramus
05-26-2009, 08:26
I feel that we're barking up the wrong tree here. everyone's lurking is very suspicious to me. He's not voted for the past two rounds, and he's clearly receiving protection from someone. I sniff a major role. I'm voting for him to try and get him to post here more.
Unvote: LittleGrizzly
Vote: everyone
The fact he may be lying does not make him guilty and he did have protection last night. Do not jump to a hasty judgments.
Yes, but if he isn't a pro-town consul or praetor, then he's most likely mafia. We already have 4 pro-town protectors, more would be unbalanced. And it makes perfect sense for a mafioso to be able to defend himself from a night attack.
YLC's claim seems to have been made out of boredom more than having a specific motive behind it.
LG, however was lying for more sinister reasons. And is avoiding responding here.
So, you disregard the fact that YLC lied? Why do you want LG dead so bad? Because he didn't want to give you his role pm immediately and has gone quiet for a while now? That vs. YLC who has been caught in several lies, including a fake pm + an all too suspicious slip of the tongue.
Your behaviour is weird.
You can vig YLC if you want to. "we don't need him around" isn't a reason for lynch.
You can vig kill LittleGrizzly if you want to. The case against YLC is stronger. I find it highly suspicious that you are blatantly ignoring his lies and that you present it all as harmless and not particularly scummy.
Why are you so keen at keeping YLC alive?
FoS: Beefy and Captain Blackadder for jumping in quickly and voting LG without much reasons. Sounds like they were ordered to vote as such.
I believe that the following evidence will speak for itself...
Two claims to be Consul, and thus to command lictors. Then this...
A valid question. To which the senile Bibulus replies;
With yet another claim to be Consul.
I feel sympathy for Bibulus' clientele having to follow and protect the last senile, obstinate fool of a dying breed. My apologies, Marcus Calpurnius, I never expressed my sorrow at the death of your sons in Egypt. Now I am doubly concerned for it has driven you mad with grief and straight into the welcoming arms of Pompeius. It is a great shame for such a noble family to be extinguished in such disgrace...
I am a consul, a former one. The whole concept was to attract the tyrants attention and focus in on me as a possible threat. This was an attempt to reduce the number of those murdered at night.
Thank you for utterly disarming me - since my use has been used up, I'm just another warm body all of you in your paranoia will proscript me. You have fallen for the first trick of the tyrant, and that is to become afraid and lose a level head. Giving into fear means giving up power over yourself and letting another pick up that power, and use it to control you.
Now that the plan has fallen through, what have I to loose? The senate holds no faith in me now, even if my deception was in it's favor, and like the greeks of old, are more willing to murder then sing praise for their heroes.
I was stating that it would take two nights (hence two night kills) to kill him, since he wold be protected in the first instance and vulnerable in the second - thus 2 kills are wasted on a target that was significantly less important.
If that is so, then you stated it rather ambiguous.
Also, even taken in your context, I, nor would anyone else, need insider information. The death of GH was proof of that, where the first attack failed yet the second attack during the same night succeeded upon his person.
I reread GH's death scene. It's not obvious to me that there were two attacks that same night. How did you come to that conclusion :inquisitive:
If that is so, then you stated it rather ambiguous.
I reread GH's death scene. It's not obvious to me that there were two attacks that same night. How did you come to that conclusion :inquisitive:
So an attack was not initially able to penetrate but somehow lingered along and surprised him? Are you even pushing the idea that night attacks now function that same way as the Spanish Inquisition?
For clarity
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“Sir, there are armed men outside the main gate!” The servant was wide-eyed and sweating when he finally reached GeneralHankerchief. The increased commotion from the main gate had been growing for some time, but he had tried to ignore it. Despite all his suspicions and all his precautions, after the woman arrived he had truly begun to believe this would be a pleasant evening. She was not beautiful, per se, but there was something incredibly charming and sexy about her. She was not shy, that was for sure. GeneralHankerchief was still (relatively) sober, but it was apparent he would not remain that way for much longer. He kept making a mental note to pace himself, lest the ability fade, even while the desire grew.
A loud shout broke his increasingly inebriated thoughts; something really was going on at the main gate. He looked at the servant. “WELL? In the name of Juno, what is it man?!”
The servant swallowed, “They stand in the night with torches blazing, not attempting to hide from us. They have been there for some minutes now, and have not uttered a single word, even though we’ve asked their business several times and ordered them to disperse.” His eyes strayed over to the woman before springing back to look at GeneralHankerchief. “They are all holding gladii, sir.”
GeneralHankerchief looked over at the woman for a moment, and heaved a heavy sigh. He put down his wine goblet and stood, strapping on the blade that he had wisely kept nearby, even after she had arrived. “Tell the men to stay on guard, do not leave the villa, and do not unlock any door or window. No one is to enter this house until sunrise, no matter who it is!” The servant spun on his heels and ran off to report to the rest of the guards holding the front gate.
GeneralHankerchief turned and looked at his guest. “I apologize, but this is not a matter I can ignore, even for one such as you. Please,” he gestured to a servant at the back of the courtyard, “he will show you to the side door, you may leave from there. It is no longer safe for you here.”
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They had locked themselves inside the secured storeroom, comfortable letting the guards deal with the men at the main gate. GeneralHankerchief was irked, but not incredibly worried. He was in a secure, heavily guarded villa, locked in the most secure room, and he had an armed guard at his side. Together, they sat in silence, listening to the cries of battle coming from outside.
Suddenly, the guard slapped his hand to his eye and began to rub furiously. The man’s tunic was spattered with dust. GeneralHankerchief looked up and saw a trail of fine debris falling from the ceiling. He opened his mouth to give a warning, but there was no need. The sound of breaking roofing tiles was loud enough for all to hear. The guard was still struggling to regain his vision when several men jumped through the holes, each of them clutching a gladius. The first one down drove his deep into the guard’s neck, nearly severing his head. The others moved on GeneralHankerchief.
An increase in noise from outside the room told GeneralHankerchief that the front was now being assaulted as well. His guards were distracted, they would not reach him in time. He swung his blade at the nearest foes and cursed them all as loud as he could, but there were too many men, and they were between him and the door. There was no escape. GeneralHankerchief screamed a curse and the men and charged. He died fighting.
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It's bludgeoningly obvious there were two separate attacks, not one that was "almost successful but regrouped and then outwitted game mechanics and the host"
It's not "bludgeoningly obvious".
In the first scene, there's an attack on GH's villa and he sends the woman away. In the next scene, he's hiding and attackers get near him.
Nowhere is it written that the attackers on the roof are not part of the group attacking in the first scene. It's at least ambiguous.
Sorry, but I can't shake off the feeling that you said too much with too much certainty of it being so because you're in the informed minority aka mafia.
everyone
05-26-2009, 11:45
huzzah! I have no idea why I'm being investigated, or what exactly is happening to me. but the section in the write up regarding 'everyone' is rather interesting.
I initially wanted to wait and see who to vote to proscript. but currently my suspect list isn't much, only filled with people on the same townie side as I am. And I should have probably lurked a while more to see who votes me, so that I can suspect more people and have more options to vote.
but for now,
vote: littlegrizzly
Tally as of post 923
LittleGrizzly: 7 (Sasaki, 'khaan, YLC, Marshal Murat, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, everyone)
YLC: 3 (GSC, Tratorix, Iskander)
Caius: 1 (ATPG)
everyone: 1 (Ignoramus)
Abstain: 2 (split, Chaotix)
Lynching someone that does not answer accusations and might be lurking can´t hurt. There are a few good other cases out there but Vote: LG for now.
LittleGrizzly
05-26-2009, 13:43
Firstly i aint no damned dirty luker!
I was AFK for several days....
If you are simply voting for me based off sasaki's order then hold off i have returned and am working something out with him...
I am the Consul, i have lied about nothing, i was protected, and was taking part in protection, by ordering my gaurds to protect me that is my night action, so i wan't lieing when i said i was protecting...
and seen as my men were protecting me i was protected...
So there have been no lies on my part!
You just wish to kill a consul who wishes to work for the good of the republic!!
I am willing to communicate some of my consul pm to sasaki (not half of it) so call yours dogs off sasaki... unless you do wish to kill a useful pro town role!!
If the other consul himself wishes to confirm my identity he can give me the beginning of a sentence and i shall give him the end of that sentence... for a few sentnces if nessecary...
Vote YLC
Purely to save myself....
Greyblades
05-26-2009, 13:52
Vote: YLC
YLC's case is that he lied and appears to still be lying, whereas LG was simply absent. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
Splitpersonality
05-26-2009, 13:54
Unvote: Abstain, Vote: YLC, I do not believe LG is a good choice, I am sorry sasaki, but I must disagree.
(As of post 928)
Tally:
LittleGrizzly: 8 (Sasaki, 'khaan, YLC, Marshal Murat, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, everyone, Khazaar)
YLC: 6 (GSC, Tratorix, Iskander, Split, LG, Greyblades)
Caius: 1 (ATPG)
everyone: 1 (Ignoramus)
Abstain: 1 (Chaotix)
LittleGrizzly
05-26-2009, 14:04
Those who are voting off sasaki's orders....
He did contact me and i didn't return conact for a day or two as i had a busy weekend (bank holiday and everything) but now i have started contact up again and im sure i can prove him that i am the consul through parts of my pm... so if you are simply listening to sasaki's orders please remove your vote... i am sure i can convince sasaki of my innocence but this round there is no time for you to wait on sasaki's orders! remove your vote now!
If for some reason i cant convince sasaki, it isn't exactly a terrible loss for you not lynching me now... as you could simply lynch me next round instead...
You don't exactly need to convince Sasaki. He's just one player with one vote. Just convince your fellow townies.
Besides, I for one think Sasaki's behaviour is rather suspicious.
I'd advice town to cut the strings and put some pressure on the puppet master himself next round.
navarro951
05-26-2009, 14:28
Vote: YLC
Splitpersonality
05-26-2009, 14:31
Tally:
LittleGrizzly: 8 (Sasaki, 'khaan, YLC, Marshal Murat, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, everyone, Khazaar)
YLC: 7 (GSC, Tratorix, Iskander, Split, LG, Greyblades, Navarro)
Caius: 1 (ATPG)
everyone: 1 (Ignoramus)
Abstain: 1 (Chaotix)
Vote: YLC
I don't want YLC to die, but I believe LG has a better case now.
I've been talking with him through pm- he still claims he is a Consul. This is now possible, because there is an open slot for the last Consul now that YLC has been proved he isn't one.
Here's the deal: just in case LG really is a Consul, we should let him live tonight. I am going to block him tonight- if he has guards around him this time, I will be able to tell, and then we can confirm it. If not, then we lynch him tomorrow.
I don't want YLC to die either... but if LG is a Consul he could be twice as useful. If only there were more time to get another target to the top...
atheotes
05-26-2009, 14:42
wow..so much to read and take in... Looks like LG was truly away based on his activity and maybe YLC is lying...Like Andres said, his first post about 2 nights for killing is suspicious...
Vote: YLC
johnhughthom
05-26-2009, 15:05
I was undecided between LG and YLC which was why I waited to vote. I am less suspicious of LG now so,
Vote:YLC
I don't think you ever responded to my query on your wording in this post YLC:
The wording and specific details of it's function are not. I have no urge to let other mafioso forge and then create a mock setup to parade around as a fake Consul.
I did not want to do this initially, but with the reappearance of LG, claiming to be consul no less, the choice between the two is sadly obvious.
Vote: YLC
Vote: YLC
navarro, can you tell me why you're voting? It only makes it seem like you really are mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 17:57
Unvote:LittleGrizzly
Vote:YLC
I don't think YLC is mafia, but he's certainly gummed up the works enough to die. I intended to keep my questioning of LG private, but I had two other claimed consuls which was enough for me to post the case.
LG still has a lot to prove...some very questionable statements which only Andres could wave away.
“In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
https://img11.imageshack.us/img11/886/thetriumphoftitusalmata.jpg
Despite the horrors that had been committed in the dark of night, the Senate discussions quickly devolved into a debate about who held the rightful title of Consul. Initially, many accused LittleGrizzly of falsely making this claim, while others said that it was YLC who had perjured himself with fraudulent statements about his station. The latter defended himself firmly, and for many hours it seemed as though the former would be proscripted.
However, towards the end of the day, LittleGrizzly rose from his seat and berated the entire Senate for doubting his claims. Humbled, many backed down from their attack on him, and turned their attentions back towards YLC. The votes quickly shifted, and as the session grew to a close, YLC was found to be in the lead.
Knowing what was to come, YLC rose calmly and walked out into the middle of the Curia. There, he gave a bow to his friends in the Optimates section, before turning and walking out into the forum, where the baying crowd was waiting. As a few Senators watched, he walked confidently and with his head held high, right into the maw of the hungry mob. A great tumult began, and when it finally dissipated, little was left except torn pieces of toga and a bloody sandal.
Their work done, the Senate retired for the evening, to await whatever the night would bring.
YLC: 10 (GSC, Tratorix, Iskander, LG, Greyblades, split, atheotes, johnhughthom, TheFlax, Sasaki)
LittleGrizzly: 7 ('khaan, YLC, Marshal Murat, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, everyone, Khazaar)
Caius: 1 (ATPG)
everyone: 1 (Ignoramus)
Abstain: 1 (Chaotix (did not unvote))
Not voting: 4 (AggonyDuck, Ichigo, Jolt, Caius)
Alive (23):
Beefy187
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius
Killed (9):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
woad&fangs
Proscripted (5):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera
Cultured Drizzt fan
YLC
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Night VII. This night phase will end on Wednesday, May 27th at 1:30pm EST.
Unvote:LittleGrizzly
Vote:YLC
I don't think YLC is mafia, but he's certainly gummed up the works enough to die. I intended to keep my questioning of LG private, but I had two other claimed consuls which was enough for me to post the case.
LG still has a lot to prove...some very questionable statements which only Andres could wave away.
Says the man who waved away all the scumminess dripping off YLC.
Which statements? Care to post them now, since you're very likely going to die tonight, like you already said the previous night. Your fear was of course justified because of the numerous..., eh, one?, hmmm... no attacks at all, eh, hm... by the fact that somebody is probably thinking about taking you out tonight!
I urge all Senators who hold the Republic of Rome dear to keep the snake that is known as Sasaki Kojiro on a very short leash.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 18:14
Pleeease quit making my mafia partners participate in townie groups! It's gotten to the point where my guys can't even kill at night!
No :bounce:
No :bounce:
:inquisitive:
Discrediting somebody who's not too keen on trusting good ol' Sasaki who always plays for town, even when he can voluntarily change his victory condition to a mafia one, because he hates being mafia?
:smash:
What is sort of silly that there are still people alive that should have been killed rounds ago.
LittleGrizzly
05-26-2009, 18:58
I would hope to god that all these people trusting sasaki have a damn good reason for doing so... and i hope to god someones accounting for sasaki nights actions as well...
Apart from lots of hoping to god to stay alive i have to basically convince sasaki not to get his lackeys to vote for me also...
Apart from spL1tp350naL1ty not a lackey... cool name as well...
I served my purpose...even in death I await the glory of Rome and the Republic to be rightfully restored.
I will no longer further participate in this game, I have more important things to do besides being accused of idiocy.
I would hope to god that all these people trusting sasaki have a damn good reason for doing so... and i hope to god someones accounting for sasaki nights actions as well...
Apart from lots of hoping to god to stay alive i have to basically convince sasaki not to get his lackeys to vote for me also...
Apart from spL1tp350naL1ty not a lackey... cool name as well...
No LG, you don't have to prove anything. I suggest that the man who claims to be the center of all townie actions proves his innocence in this thread the next round.
It's a very bad idea to blindly follow the lead of a "Senator" who has not been thoroughly examined and put under pressure.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 20:55
you know whats funny? even after all of this killing we are right back where we started, it is a equal senate. The status quo remains unchanged.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-26-2009, 21:02
you know whats funny? even after all of this killing we are right back where we started, it is a equal senate. The status quo remains unchanged.
You are keeping track of such things?
No LG, you don't have to prove anything. I suggest that the man who claims to be the center of all townie actions proves his innocence in this thread the next round.
It's a very bad idea to blindly follow the lead of a "Senator" who has not been thoroughly examined and put under pressure.
I can if need be. But the fact is, setting up vig groups that attack protection groups is a neutral action. All it does is confirm that those involved were not performing another night action on that night. If I was protecting specific targets and trying to get other people killed then you would have cause for concern.
I can if need be. But the fact is, setting up vig groups that attack protection groups is a neutral action. All it does is confirm that those involved were not performing another night action on that night. If I was protecting specific targets and trying to get other people killed then you would have cause for concern.
And so far, all your actions worked out fine? Why aren't you posting a list of all those who refused to cooperate so far, including the Optimates?
That doesn't give away much, does it? And it gives town something to work with in case you die and you can no longer post such a list.
And I would of course like to see something that proves your innocence. It can wait until the day phase.
It's necessary to unvote from an abstain? :thinking:
Splitpersonality
05-26-2009, 21:24
I did it anyway, just in case. It'd be a good thing to always check too.
Thank you for the kind words LG, but whether or not you are what you are, remains to be seen. I'll gladly drink to your safety today, if it can carry you through 'till tomorrow., however.
In time you shall prove your innocence though, for now you're better than a liar. No offense YLC :P
It's necessary to unvote from an abstain? :thinking:
A vote is a vote is a vote. An unvote is required for a valid vote change. As I stated previously, few societies have been more complicated and obstructed by excessive and incomprehensible rule systems than Rome. I am sticking to the spirit of the Republic, and requiring that the largely ceremonial mechanics be followed. If you don't like this, the easiest solution is to make sure the Pompeians or Caesarians win. Things worked a lot more smoothly under Augustus.
:ave:
[edit] The lynch write-up has been completed and edited into the Day VI results posts.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-26-2009, 21:59
You are keeping track of such things?
well I am dead, I have nothing better to do then to read the summary thread over and over again.... you pick up things you missed on the first read through.
Thank you TC for the most honorable death. :bow:
Of course Andres, why should we care about the Populares! They are so totally for the Republic that only Optimates would betray the Senate to the Tyrants.
My suggestion is to not listen to the pitiful rhetoric Andres and GSC, they are both like in mind, and I feel that they do not have the best interests of the town at heart nor spirit.
Beefy187
05-27-2009, 01:40
There wasn't any vote shifting this time..
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-27-2009, 01:40
Thank you TC for the most honorable death. :bow:
Of course Andres, why should we care about the Populares! They are so totally for the Republic that only Optimates would betray the Senate to the Tyrants.
My suggestion is to not listen to the pitiful rhetoric Andres and GSC, they are both like in mind, and I feel that they do not have the best interests of the town at heart nor spirit.
I believe that my esteemed collegue was suggesting the dangers of placing too much power in the hands of one Senator. While he has shown his love for the Republic in putting aside Optimates ties in order to proscript your traitorous self, there is always the danger that a weak man may seek to wield power over all.
While I commend Sasaki for his operations and impartiality to date, there is always the dangers that a man will favour his close friends and compatriots rather than his more distant colleagues.
I believe that my esteemed collegue was suggesting the dangers of placing too much power in the hands of one Senator. While he has shown his love for the Republic in putting aside Optimates ties in order to proscript your traitorous self, there is always the danger that a weak man may seek to wield power over all.
While I commend Sasaki for his operations and impartiality to date, there is always the dangers that a man will favour his close friends and compatriots rather than his more distant colleagues.
I suggest you cease whoring yourself in attempt to gain favor, you might catch something troublesome. You think me a traitor but I tell you now one amongst your number is indeed a tyrant, and I suspect you most, for even as you give in one hand you take away with the slap from the other.
One among GSC. Aggony, and Split is a traitor to the republic, thanks to the work I and Chaotix accomplished. Due to some background checking, we can confirm both ATPG and Aggony innocent - it is between you and Split, my fine friend of backhandery rhetoric.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-27-2009, 03:58
You attempt to hide your own treachery behind posthumous counter declarations. Your case rejected overwhelming by the Senate, your monstrous schemes halted, all you can do is attempt to haunt those who had you proscribed. Well I for one will sleep sounder tonight knowing that your sleep is much more permanent.
Is it not interesting Senators that a convited criminal of the Pompeian faction has accused a Populares Senator of the highest virtue of being a traitor, while those of the Optimates who have had previously questions raised about their allegiance are proclaimed openly to be innocent.
Enough of your relentless weeping from beyond the grave, shade, cross the River Styx and do not trouble us again!
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 04:03
I am no traitor, and I intend to prove this YLC.
I wish you not be dead, as to continue your investigation, but I did not realize at the time... I feel traitorous to the republic, maybe tonight I shall drink my sorrows away. Any are welcome to join me.
GSC, if this man speaks the truth, I suggest you make a better case than shooing him away. Not to start anything with you, but it would be wise.
You attempt to hide your own treachery behind posthumous counter declarations. Your case rejected overwhelming by the Senate, your monstrous schemes halted, all you can do is attempt to haunt those who had you proscribed. Well I for one will sleep sounder tonight knowing that your sleep is much more permanent.
Is it not interesting Senators that a convited criminal of the Pompeian faction has accused a Populares Senator of the highest virtue of being a traitor, while those of the Optimates who have had previously questions raised about their allegiance are proclaimed openly to be innocent.
Enough of your relentless weeping from beyond the grave, shade, cross the River Styx and do not trouble us again!
You truly are the Curia's butt monkey. I betrayed nothing, and did only what I thought was noble and just. If through my sacrifice the Republic can be saved, then so be it! Death is something any man who holds his values to heart should never fear! Those who would forgo their standards, their beliefs for another day of life deserve it not! I am a Senator! I am for the Republic, be damned my party to ruinous hell if they decide that their coffers beget more attention then their responsibility to the people of Rome!
If you listen to him, then only the dead will have escaped the fate the living will suffer, and the joke shall be upon you! He is not virtuous at all! He still spouts pointless parties divisions! He makes it clear that only one party has the best interests for Rome, and that all others are fools! Rex Follis art though! Support of tyrants, pillagers of freedom and rapists of dignity! Shame be upon those who think this man speaks any truth, he who would divide you along pointless lines through fear, slander, and intimidation!
Forgive me, I have gone on long enough - please divide my estates amongst the people, through a vote of those still with passion and pride for the Republic. My worldly possessions mean naught to me, only that the ideals of Rome be upheld.
If it's Curio or split, then my money is on split being scum.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-27-2009, 12:10
I would suggest that if YLC has any evidence of treachery against either myself or our esteemed colleague Split, that he lay it down publicly rather than relying on innuendo and conjecture. Then I would be happy to counter it.
(OOC: My running battle with YLC is 9/10ths RP. Would a Senator of the Republic back down if accused of treachery? I feel it more likely that he would attempt to outshine him through rhetoric. In other words, as far as I am concerned so long as I included the evidence against him, I can shoo and wave away his empty claims all I like. Any solid case laid down by YLC, or anyone else shall be responded to clearly and seriously, but in the absence of one...)
I would suggest that if YLC has any evidence of treachery against either myself or our esteemed colleague Split, that he lay it down publicly rather than relying on innuendo and conjecture. Then I would be happy to counter it.
(OOC: My running battle with YLC is 9/10ths RP. Would a Senator of the Republic back down if accused of treachery? I feel it more likely that he would attempt to outshine him through rhetoric. In other words, as far as I am concerned so long as I included the evidence against him, I can shoo and wave away his empty claims all I like. Any solid case laid down by YLC, or anyone else shall be responded to clearly and seriously, but in the absence of one...)
Yes, it's great fun, mostly the reason I haven't come forward with any evidence at all :laugh4:
Sasaki should have everything though.
I think Sasaki is still busy fabricating evidence.
After all, a master like him can't come to us with crappy stuff like:
Hi Sasaki. I'm mafia! Don't lynch me!
No, his forgery must be perfect and that takes time.
I think Sasaki is on to me, better make a funny but pointless remark to get the town to listen to me...yes...
*wrings hands*
...Excellent...
Indeed
Lies. Slander. Accusations without any concrete evidence. Insinuating Andres is scum to make sure town keeps listening to lies and deception.
Indeed.
Fears exposure, doesn't like the fact Sasaki has been able to keep in control, spouts parties lines and is interested in them, discount your greatest opponents instead of discuss with them, accuse dead townies who's only interest should now be in the towns favor.
Indeed.
You're a dead townie?
Hmmm...
EDIT:
Anyway, all I ask from Sasaki is to give us a list of all players who refused to cooperate in his townie groups (and the reasons they gave) before the night ends because if he would die tonight, he can no longer give us that information.
Examining his innocence/guilt and/or his role pm can be done tomorrow if he's still alive.
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And so far, all your actions worked out fine? Why aren't you posting a list of all those who refused to cooperate so far, including the Optimates?
That doesn't give away much, does it? And it gives town something to work with in case you die and you can no longer post such a list.
And I would of course like to see something that proves your innocence. It can wait until the day phase.
You're a dead townie?
Hmmm...
EDIT:
Anyway, all I ask from Sasaki is to give us a list of all players who refused to cooperate in his townie groups (and the reasons they gave) before the night ends because if he would die tonight, he can no longer give us that information.
Examining his innocence/guilt and/or his role pm can be done tomorrow if he's still alive.
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Townie, power role, etc - I'm town, I have the best interests, as I always have, of the town at heart.
And that seems almost reasonable, minus the possibility that everyone not in his group refused, and therefore handing out a list of who didn't join is as good as handing out a list of those who did.
Townie, power role, etc - I'm town, I have the best interests, as I always have, of the town at heart.
And that seems almost reasonable, minus the possibility that everyone not in his group refused, and therefore handing out a list of who didn't join is as good as handing out a list of those who did.
Some of those who refused probably had decent reasons (missing the deadline, interfering RL, being involved in (an)other townie group(s) and not willing to trust Sasaki), others probably not.
We can use that.
All this bickering and taking cheap shots at each other reminds me of the Magnaura in LoTR... Maybe I should get involved in one of those PBM's in the Throne Room again.
LittleGrizzly
05-27-2009, 15:10
I think Sasaki is still busy fabricating evidence.
After all, a master like him can't come to us with crappy stuff like:
No, his forgery must be perfect and that takes time.
Now you have me really confused... you spend yesterday when i look as good as lynched defending me in the face of various accusations... now when i appear afe you begin accusing me...
Or was that 'quote' purely for the benefit of you war of words with sasaki ?
I asked a bunch of questions yesterday regarding sasaki... and i still wish to know... can anyone in his townie group confirm that he has been taking part in night actions as well ?
It seems pointless having a group to keep people busy if the leader can simply not be involved and is possibly free to kill...
Can sasaki produce this evidence against curio or split... i am paticularly intrested as i have been in contact with curio today....
I think thats about it...
Republic!
Edit: sasaki's group seems fairly large from the barrage of votes that came down on me... I think at the very least it would be very helpful...
Now you have me really confused... you spend yesterday when i look as good as lynched defending me in the face of various accusations... now when i appear afe you begin accusing me...
Or was that 'quote' purely for the benefit of you war of words with sasaki ?
I was not accusing you. I was saying that Sasaki is fabricating fake evidence against you and I hope he will respond because I like teasing him like that.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-27-2009, 15:54
Patience is a virtue.
The information about who is involved in night actions and who refused etc will not die with me. However, it is not a good idea to make it public for all.
I actually have no idea what ylc is talking about with regards to split and curio :sweatdrop:
Maybe if I reviewed my pm's.
johnhughthom
05-27-2009, 15:57
can anyone in his townie group confirm that he has been taking part in night actions as well ?
Yes.
Maybe if I reviewed my pm's.
Or maybe YLC is just scum trying to confuse us.
I don't agree with not sharing in public. I assume many are involved in your townie network, it's as good as certain that it has been infiltrated and it is as good as certain that the majority of those not involved are townie.
Why not giving useful information to the town?
I don't like it if people don't wish to give all information yet make accusations based on said (partially) (un)revealed information. That smells too much like manipulation.
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 16:09
I assure again that I am not mafia, but lynch me if you like.
In the day I mean.
LittleGrizzly
05-27-2009, 16:10
Thank you John, that makes me feel far better about the situation... though i guess you could be his mafia partner that would be a very risky move... so im buying it for the moment...
Andres ahh i thought it might be...
Paitence may perhaps be a virtue but in such dangerous times when there is a pressing need to dispose of the tyrants perhaps being so virtuous is not in our interest ?
So YLC is simply making things up about Split and Gaius ?
I guess this could be some kind of revenge thing as those 2 were instrumental in getting YLC lynched over me.... but i don't want to get to sentimental about my saviours... as mafia i may have come in and fought against the case made against me yesterday... possibly a good way to gain mine and others trust...
*lost in my own paranoia*
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 16:15
Sasaki, there must be some scummy things done by CGS... I've noticed a few, but I wanna make sure they
re as bad as I think before I say, otherwise it'll look like a really weak argument.
Night VII is now over. Write-up commencing. As with the previous phase, I am extremely busy at the moment. I will get the write-up posted and the result PMs sent out as quickly as possible, but it could be 1-2 hours so please be patient.
“That, Senators, is what a favour from gangs amounts to. They refrain from murdering someone; then they boast that they have spared him!”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
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The Butcher’s wife was sitting by her window, waiting for the evening’s festivities. Seeing would be a bit more difficult due to the black eye that witch, the Fishmonger’s wife, had given her earlier in the day. She told them all about the strange nightly meetings outside everyone’s villa, but the crone hadn’t believed her and had punched her out of jealous. The punch was surely delivered with jealousy over the attention the Butcher’s wife was getting from her stories of the nightly entertainment. The fact that the assault followed immediately after a comment the Butcher’s wife had made about how the Fishmonger’s daughter rutted in a gutter with Gallic slaves was nothing more than coincidence.
This evening, the Butcher’s wife was joined by the Blacksmith’s sister. She also hated the smelly Fishmonger’s wife, though that was partly because she was sleeping with the Fishmonger. In any case, a second pair of eyes would result in more credibility tomorrow morning in the macellum. After a few hours of waiting, the first of the groups appeared. Slinking through the back alleys in four separate groups, a mob of men was moving forward towards everyone’s villa. Sure enough, other men emerged from the shadows to block them.
Both groups carried pugii, but this night the odds were much different. Far from being even, the defenders were outnumbered two to one. The two leaders of the defenders glanced around hesitantly, suddenly unsure of themselves. The attacking group, realizing they for once had a significant advantage, charged directly into battle. A fierce melee began and the numerous attackers quickly gained the upper hand. However, one of the defending groups re-organized themselves and laid into their foes with a mighty surge. The attackers were thrown into disorder and their morale quickly broke. A few shouted in panic and then the rest broke up and disappeared into the dark streets. The defenders, visibly tired and with several wounded men, limped away.
The Blacksmith’s sister was delighted. It was better than a gladiatorial match, and even more pleasurable than even the Fishmonger himself. Perhaps she would spend more nights with the Butcher’s wife in the future. After all, it was hard to get any sleep at the Fishmonger’s house when his daughter was busy wailing all night long.
…
Shinseikhaan was bored. Bored bored bored. He had dared anyone to attack him for days now, but so far nothing had happened. They were all cowards, the lot of them! Ah well, Shinseikhaan would simply have to tide himself over with another wonderful evening in his lavish villa. It was a shame his favorite slave was tending to his wife this evening, as he had needs that that girl could satisfy far better than his lovely spouse. He had been by the macellum earlier in the day, and there was some beautiful young woman behind the Fishmonger’s stall. Ever since then, he simply could not get his mind off of his… urges.
This train of thought was quickly curtailed by the sound of voices being raised in the front courtyard. Curious, Shinseikhaan strolled out to see what all the ruckus was about. He arrived to find the guards at the front gates rushing about frantically.
*WHAM*
Shinseikhaan was startled by the loud noise. There was now a huge crack in one of the main doors. *WHAM* As he watched, the doors buckled and split. *WHAM* The third impact shattered the locking bar, and the doors flew open, scattering splinters everywhere. Through the gap, he could see a large mob of men, some in the process of discarding a hand-held ram, all wielding pugii. The guards were well-prepared for this breach, however, and they had formed for a countercharge through the gate. As soon as the door was open, they raised their weapons and charged forward. The attackers were startled. One man barked out orders for the three groups to fall back, and for a fourth group to attack the sallying guards from the flank.
A few moments of melee ensued, with the guards warily watching both sides, but the flanking move never appeared. Some cursing was heard from the man giving orders on the attacking side, and the pugii-wielders began to fall back towards the city. Suddenly, one of the groups split off and made a feinting attack to one side. This distracted a large number of the guards and several fell wounded. The rest retreated in panic to the villa, pursued by the mob of men who had attacked them.
With the initiative lost, the defenders fought bravely to hold the villa, but the attackers now had momentum on their side and carried the assault forward. The battle raged for several minutes, during which time men on both sides were gravely wounded. Shinseikhaan’s beautiful villa was slowly torn to pieces, but eventually the attackers tired and fell back. The few remaining defenders limped warily around the villa, ensuring that it was indeed secure, before going to tend to their own wounds.
Shinseikhaan’s villa was a wreck, with bodies strewn about and doors and windows broken everywhere. Still, at least it wasn’t just another boring night!
…
Sasaki Kojiro was busy supervising his slaves. He had lost his favorite one recently, an Iberian he had trained for several years for the gladiatorial ring. It was a shame, as he would surely have made a great deal of money on that particular slave. The slave chambers of Sasaki Kojiro’s villa were relatively spacious and comfortable. He believed strongly that comfortable slaves were happy slaves, and happy slaves were obedient slaves. That whole Spartacus fiasco would never have happened if Sasaki Kojiro had been in charge!
“Assemble for review!” he barked down the hallway. Many doors opened, and slaves of all shapes and sizes rushed out to stand before him. He strolled down the hall, inspecting each one for signs of damage. Healthy slaves were effective slaves, and they also sold better at auction. About two-thirds of the way down, Sasaki Kojiro halted. A large man with bulging muscles was standing before him. He had clearly come out of the room that the Iberian usually resided in, but he was most certainly not the Iberian. The new slave must have been hired by his wife…
Sasaki Kojiro was about to berate the new slave for taking the room without prior approval, when the man stepped forward, a broad grin on his face. Sasaki Kojiro took a step back, not appreciating having his personal space invaded in this manner, but the new slave kept moving forward and soon had him trapped against the wall. The muscled man reached up with both arms and grabbed Sasaki Kojiro by the neck with a grip that felt like it could break a marble column. Sasaki Kojiro managed to squeak out a weak “help…” before the air was cut off to his throat.
As if from nowhere, several armed men appeared and charged at the muscled man. He let go of Sasaki Kojiro and turned to batter the new opponents, easily ducking under their swings and throwing them back with well placed punches and kicks. One of the fallen men dropped his weapon, and the muscled man picked it up and his waved it menacingly and with great skill. Two of the armed men who were still on their feet now stood in front of Sasaki Kojiro, their weapons readied. The muscled man stared at them for a long moment before spitting on the ground, and turning on his heels. He ran off into the villa and disappeared. After the defenders collected themselves, they patrolled the villa in search of the man, but they found no trace of him except for a broken window frame in a side storage room.
Sasaki Kojiro was rattled by the attack, but he had survived and for now that was enough. He gulped down a goblet of wine to calm his nerves and went to bed. After he had been prone for many long minutes, some of the deeper shadows behind the furniture and columns began to shift. Dark figures approached Sasaki Kojiro’s recumbent body. One drew a gladius and with a quick jerk, sliced open Sasaki Kojiro’s neck. He awoke with a start, but with his vocal cords severed and his artery gushing, he could do little more than clutch at his throat as his life slowly seeped through his hands.
…
The Senators filed into the Curia in the morning, many bleary eyed for lack of sleep due to paranoia at the anarchy that reigned in the night. Their numbers were beginning to thin considerably, and survival from one night to the next was becoming something of a major victory in itself. A few men glanced at the empty seat in the Optimates section, but most were concerned with the notice nailed to the main doors:
Hello brave and noble senators!welcom to good morning rome, the italian peninsulas favorite spot for gossip, entertainmeant and inside information on our current crisis. Before I begin in earnest this morning, I would just like to do one thing.
...
...
You can't see me, but i'm clapping slowly and sarcastically! Bravo! Bravo, brave senators. Yesterday you had the opportunity to pro script one of Caesar's finest and yet you chose to drag down a deluded former consul instead. An absolutely wonderful performance! For a minute there I almost believed you were stupid enugh to have done that.
the first( well, second, but i'm calling it the first) thing i'd like to discuss today is the senator who goes by the nickname shinseikhaan. This poor creature has been snivelling about his wish to depart the mortal realm for days now! Is no one here a ture roman, willing to give him an honorable death? For shame, i say. Shame! Populares or optimates, it matters not! Let us put this poor man out of his misery before he is forced to take matters into his own hands.
Secondly, i would like to address caesars assertion that Sasaki Kojiro is Pompey the Great. He is not. I am Pompey the Great. And, I would like to admit something to you, brave senators. I have not been entirely truthful with you. I know, it is hard to believe, but I have told one( And only one!) slight falsehood. You see, when I said sasaki was one of my trusted lieutenants, i spoke falsely. He is a staunch defender of the republic and should be treated as such. Though he is misguided he believes he has our best interests at heart.
well, i could go on and on, brave senators, but I feel my time is up so I shall leave you simply with a list of those who are to die and depart. please, tune in tommorrow and have a safe night...
Chaotix
Gaius Scribonius Curio( Finally, the name of a True Roman!)
Shinseikhaan
Ignoramus
everyone
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can.
Alive (22):
Beefy187
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Marshal Murat
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
Tratorix
Askthepizzaguy
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Caius
Killed (10):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk
pevergreen
Glenn
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
woad&fangs
Sasaki Kojiro
Proscripted (5):
navarro951
Tiberius of the Drake
Cronos Impera
Cultured Drizzt fan
YLC
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Day VII. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Thursday, May 28th at 2:00pm EST.
I assure you I am not making it up -I had arranged for a protection group for Chaotix, using Aggony, Split, and GSC through ATPG.
However, ATPG was a bit dodgy when I asked him which exactly backed out, but according to Chaotix it was Aggony and GSC. I included Split because it may have also been a possible WIFOM tactic, but otherwise, since Aggony appears to be innocent via identical PM, this kind of hangs GSC out to dry.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-27-2009, 19:45
I beieve aheoes o be giy.
A gais scribois crio has some qesios o aswer. b here are ohers who ca ask him.
my keyboar is o h friz agai
I beieve aheoes o be giy.
A gais scribois crio has some qesios o aswer. b here are ohers who ca ask him.
my keyboar is o h friz agai
I understood the atheotes part. But not the rest.
But, lets read what Pompey says:
He is a staunch defender of the republic and should be treated as such. Though he is misguided he believes he has our best interests at heart.
Well, Pompey just confirms that we can trust Sasaki, even dead. Maybe he knew that atheotes was going after him tonight?
Maybe Sasaki will found a better keyboard, or atheotes can speak and defend himself from the accusations of Sasaki. My vote, senators, goes to atheotes. What can you say to us?
Vote:atheotes
AggonyDuck
05-27-2009, 20:42
I assure you I am not making it up -I had arranged for a protection group for Chaotix, using Aggony, Split, and GSC through ATPG.
However, ATPG was a bit dodgy when I asked him which exactly backed out, but according to Chaotix it was Aggony and GSC. I included Split because it may have also been a possible WIFOM tactic, but otherwise, since Aggony appears to be innocent via identical PM, this kind of hangs GSC out to dry.
I was the one who backed out that night. I didn't trust Chaotix fully at that point (mostly due to all the "glorious leader"-stuff) and I knew that Sasaki was organising a vigilante kill on him at that point, so I decided to leave him vulnerable to it. I think it was around Night 4.
glorious leader"-
Glorious leader? And that is what?
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 20:46
I had backed out as well, Chaotix can take care of his own protection, for now at least, and my body is better suited helping in any other aspect I can attempt to.
I'm almost sad to see Sasaki go, I don't know how things will work out now...
(god i've typed that sentance about 3 times now, stupid keyboard and long nails making me hit the wrong keys.)
GeneralHankerchief
05-27-2009, 20:49
I beieve aheoes o be giy.
A gais scribois crio has some qesios o aswer. b here are ohers who ca ask him.
my keyboar is o h friz agai
"I believe atheotes to be guilty.
And Gaius Scribonius Curio has some questions to answer. But there are others who can ask him.
My keyboard is on the fritz again."
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 20:51
Vote: GSC
I believe him scum, therefor I vote. Nothing more complicated.
I had backed out as well, Chaotix can take care of his own protection, for now at least, and my body is better suited helping in any other aspect I can attempt to.
I'm almost sad to see Sasaki go, I don't know how things will work out now...
(god i've typed that sentence about 3 times now, stupid keyboard and long nails making me hit the wrong keys.)
O.o
...
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-27-2009, 20:55
Its interesting.... I got GSC to admit he was Populare and he isn't dead yet. I am starting to think he may be a Pompeiin and covering it up.
I had backed out as well, Chaotix can take care of his own protection, for now at least, and my body is better suited helping in any other aspect I can attempt to.
I'm almost sad to see Sasaki go, I don't know how things will work out now...
(god i've typed that sentance about 3 times now, stupid keyboard and long nails making me hit the wrong keys.)
If you backed out, then what did you do instead?
Same question for AggonyDuck.
Also, who was supposed to work with atheotes and Curio tonight and what where they supposed to do? Did they have orders to protect Sasaki?
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 20:56
Figured I'd answer andres first.
I was part of the vigilante group to kill him that night, as Sasaki had convinced me of his sliminess, but since then I have changed my views to less of a drone.
I do not know wha I would have felt had the kill succeeded on Chaotix that night, thankfully a protection group (made up of the original 2 people + I suppose 2 new ones) held the vig's off.
I can't promise it right now, but I will search my PM box, possibly to see if I have any evidence of my night actions (my sent messages were, DUMBLY deleted...)
Sasaki Kojiro
05-27-2009, 21:00
(god i've typed that sentance about 3 times now, stupid keyboard and long nails making me hit the wrong keys.)
Oh boo hoo :angry:
*************
GH is correc
Specificay i's iersig o me ha he mafia ma a aemp o me eve hogh hey ha goo reaso o beiev I' be proece. Amos as if hey kew here wo be 2 aemps. A oe aemp was mae by a gaiaor...
(I is har o ak wih yor hroa si)
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 21:01
I know, It's stupid of me to complain but it is quite annoying.
Before you edited your post, it read like this:
What part of that made you weird face?
Sasaki's been keeping his behind the scenes stuff quite active, he's helping a bit, at least in tying people up.
In regards to the chaotix thing:
I had backed out nights ago, the first night (or second) i was supposed to protect him, after seeing the results of a kill attempt on him fail, not just because of the group I was a part of, thus I figured he could handle his own protction.
GSC had floated between groups, at first promising his protection, then quickly switching roles and being part of the group trying to kill Chaotix, the protection group had almost put in their orders with GSC as their fourth contributor, and Chaotix would've died ages ago.
I am currently very convinced of Chaotix' usefulness, as I was at that time.
I had backed out nights ago, the first night (or second) i was supposed to protect him, after seeing the results of a kill attempt on him fail, not just because of the group I was a part of, thus I figured he could handle his own protction.
You weren't supposed to back out. The fact that you did, makes you a suspect, because you were able to do something else.
GH is correc
Specificay i's iersig o me ha he mafia ma a aemp o me eve hogh hey ha goo reaso o beiev I' be proece. Amos as if hey kew here wo be 2 aemps. A oe aemp was mae by a gaiaor...
(I is har o ak wih yor hroa si)
"GH is correct.
Specifically interesting to me that the mafia made an attempt on me even though they had good reason to believe I'd be protected. Almost as if they knew there would be 2 attempts. And one attempt was made by a gladiator..."
Greyblades
05-27-2009, 21:06
Vote: split
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 21:09
I had never sent my orders in though, nor had I been directed by anyone that I should actually defend him. I was just asked by someone in a PM, if I had thought for myself, instead of following Sasaki, maybe I would have continued to protect.
Again, No one ever told me "Defend chaotix, tonight" I had someone ask me "I have a group, mind helping?"
EDIT.
If I am to be lynched, I would at least like to ask that GSC does not escape as well. please.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-27-2009, 21:36
using Pen...
Atheotes should definitely be lynched.
GSC should be Probably be vigilante Killed.
It is best That knowledge of who was in what group Remain limited, otherwise Pro town Roles will be compromised. I can direct From the grave by keeping the groups mostly the Same.
Splitpersonality
05-27-2009, 21:37
I'd just like GSC to die, for his actions, plox.
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