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It was just a stream, little more than a tiny trickle of water. It sprang from the Apennine Mountains and flowed lazily eastwards, to the Adriatic. Shallow and narrow in many places, it was hardly an obstacle for a man on foot, let alone horseback. Gaius Julius Caesar had bridged the Rhine during the Gallic Wars. That was a mighty river; wide, deep, and fast-flowing. Caesar's legions had crossed it without a second thought. Twice.
Those same legions stood with him still. Legio XIII Gemina was arranged down the road behind him. Others, like Legio VI Ferrata and Legio III Gallica were still marching from their main encampments. These were not the inexperienced levies that the Senate so often raised from rural Italy, they were veterans of countless battles. Caesar's army was powerful and loyal to him alone, yet for all this might, the tiny Rubicon gave him pause.
He stood on the north side, with the dirt of Cisalpine Gaul under his feet. It was good soil, solid and fertile, but it was still subjugated barbarian land. The other side, only a few cubits away, was Italy. The other side was Roman. At that moment, in that spot, Gaius Julius Caesar was proconsul and governor of Transalpine Gaul, Cisalpine Gaul, and Illyricum. The moment he stepped forward, across that little rivulet at the head of a legion, he became a rebel and an enemy of the Republic.
Earlier that day, disturbing news had reached Caesar at Ravenna. A bill had been pending before the Senate to prosecute Caesar for various trumped-up 'crimes' he had committed as governor. This was simply the latest move by Pompey and the Optimates to tear down their greatest opponent. The loyal Populares tribunes Marcus Antonius and Quintus Cassius Longinus had vetoed the bill, but had then been forced to flee Rome under threat of violence. Without the presence of the tribunes, the bill would pass and Caesar would be stripped of all rights, titles, and powers. He would be ruined financially, forced into exile, and his career as a Senator and general would be over.
There were only two options. Caesar could accept the bill and humbly submit to the punishments, content to live out the modest life of an exile far from Rome, or he could take up arms in his own defense. Gaius Julius Caesar was not a humble man, but open rebellion was not something easily contemplated. Civil war was not without precedent in Roman history; Caesar's own uncle, Gaius Marius, had attempted it and succeeded for a short while. Lucius Cornelius Sulla had succeeded for even longer. Even so, it was a daunting prospect. And so fate found Gaius Julius Caesar staring at the Rubicon as the sun set on January 10, 49 BC, deep in thought.
He turned and looked at those loyal friends who had gathered nearby, his complexion dark and his brow furrowed. Speaking loudly, but to no specific person, he said, “Still we can retreat, but once we pass this little bridge, nothing is left but to fight it out with arms.” Murmurs circulated amongst those within earshot. All had marched here knowing full well what was planned, but a plan is entirely different from an action. As Caesar turned back to gaze on Italy, all eyes settled uneasily on him.
For a long time the party remained frozen in uncertainty. No one was willing to be the first to step across the Rubicon, not even Caesar. After a few moments, a low murmur began off to the side, and several men extended their arms, pointing across the river. There, on the other side, was a simple shepherd. As the men watched, he sat down and pulled out a flute from under the folds of his tunic. As he began to play, the notes drifted across the water, soft and melodious. He played a tune that was haunting in its beauty, and soon all thoughts of rebellion had passed from the minds of those nearby.
The sound wavered, dipping into gentle lows and barely audible highs, and before they realized what they were doing, several legionaries had crossed over the Rubicon to better hear the shepherd’s flute. As this scene unfolded, Caesar’s mind alone remained unclouded. As the first legionary took the first step across the mystical Rubicon, his mind cleared and his doubts faded. Unsheathing his gladius, Caesar gestured towards the Heavens. Those nearby noticed this grand movement and attention once again focused on the leader of the Populares. He turned to them and said in a strong and confident tone, “Let us go where the iniquity of our enemies call us.”
With that, the spell of uncertainty and hesitation was broken and the party began to move. First in ones and twos, then by the dozen, and finally en mass, the army began to cross the Rubicon. Standing now on the south side, watching the advance, Caesar’s face hardened into grim determination.
“The die is cast.”
The basic format for the general Game Rules is taken from the excellent set created for Capo de Tutti Capi II (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=98632). Many thanks to Seamus Fermanagh for writing them and for allowing me to use them. I greatly encourage everyone to join Capo de Tutti Capi III when it begins later this year.
Game Summary:
At its basic level, the game involves two mafia families (Caesarians and Pompeians) and the town (Senate). However, this is not a simple mafia vs. town game. The town itself is divided into two Factions, the Populares and the Optimates. This is representative of the historical political divisions in the Late Roman Republic. The game takes place in 49 BC, shortly after Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon, plunging the Republic into civil war. Historically, the Populares faction supported Caesar, and the Optimates faction supported his rival, Pompey the Great. Pompey opposed Caesar with the claim that he was supporting the Republic, but in reality it was a conflict between the two men for absolute power. Whether the victor was Caesar or Pompey, the result would have been a Dictator, and the Republic was almost certainly doomed.
In this game, the Senators can choose a third option that was little more than a pipe-dream in 49 BC: they can put aside their factional differences and individual ambitions and attempt to save the Roman Republic by eliminating both the Caesarians and the Pompeians. This is the usual form of a town vs. mafia game, with the added complication that the mafia families are also dueling. Survival until the end of the game is not necessary for this victory. If you are a Senator (townie) and you die, you can still win if both mafia families are eliminated before either is victorious. Saving the Republic is a noble cause, and you will be remembered for all time as a virtuous defender of liberty.
However, the Senators can also follow in the footsteps of their historical counterparts and take sides in the Civil War. All Senators have a SECOND, optional, victory condition. This victory condition is to eliminate all players from the opposing faction and survive. Survival is necessary if you go this route, as you are choosing to turn Rome over to a Dictator. If that occurs, his name will go down in history and yours will be forgotten. So, in order to gain anything, you need to be alive to reap the material rewards of backing the winning horse.
You may be wondering why any Senator would choose to try and help one of the mafia families, when death is a serious possibility. There are multiple reasons. First, dying while trying to eliminate the other faction does not mean you have lost the game. It only means you can no longer win by eliminating the other faction. If both mafia families are eliminated after you have been killed, you will still be victorious, even if you were happily killing the other faction while you were alive. Second, the mafia might very well win. If you think this is likely to happen, you may be able to win with them by joining in their efforts to eliminate the other half of the Senate. Third, for all you know, the other half of the Senate have all chosen to destroy you anyway. Just as with a straight mafia victory, if they get the upper hand and eliminate your faction, you're doomed, even if you're dead! A pre-emptive attack might be a good idea to ensure that this never happens. Finally, playing with the mafia is fun!
So, where do the two mafia families fit into all of this? Simple, both families want to eliminate each other AND all of their opposing family’s supporters (Populares or Optimates). They don't need to eliminate their own supporters in the Senate to win. After all, if all armed opposition has been crushed, the faction that leans their way will quickly be groveling at their feet or otherwise enjoying the fruits of backing the victor, no matter how much they may have secretly wished to uphold the Republic.
For the Senate, the choice of what to do will be difficult. No one will know which faction the other players belong to at the start. If you want to save the Republic, how can you trust the other Senators when some of them may be out to kill you? If you want to aid the Dictators, how do you contact them without giving yourself away to the enemy?
For the Caesarians and Pompeians, the choice of strategy will be equally difficult. Unlike the Senate, you will have a few allies whom you can trust completely. However, you will have to fight your counterparts who are just as strong as you, as well as half the town. You can greatly increase your power by convincing your faction of the Senate to turn against their opponents. Make those expendable Senators do your dirty work, while you sit safely on the sidelines! But, how do you do this without giving yourself away? Can you even trust your own supporters, when they always have the option of winning by eliminating both the Caesarians and the Pompeians? How do you know you aren't being infiltrated by any Senator you choose to trust?
How to Win:
Every role PM will have a specific list of victory conditions. The game will end immediately after any player meets their victory conditions. Unlike in most mafia games, depending on what happens it may be possible for some mafioso AND some townies to share in the victory.
Game Phases and Basic Gameplay:
At the outset of the game you will be randomly assigned a role, the role PM explaining the particulars will be sent to you, and shortly thereafter, play will commence.
The usual sequence of 24-hour days and 24-hour nights will be followed. Day and Night phases may be extended where necessary to account for outside events/unusual situations. In no instance will the time period be decreased below 24 hours. The first phase of the game will be a Night phase.
Day Phase: Each day the Roman Senate (town) will vote to Proscript (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription) (lynch) one living player. Each Senator can cast one vote (see below for procedure). TinCow will write up the results of these votes and post them for general consumption, along with any juicy particulars about the Proscriptions. The game then proceeds to the next night phase.
Night Phase: Every role has something to do at night – even if your choice is to do nothing. Since every role can be active in some manner, all players should PM TinCow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=6193) during each night phase to indicate their actions. I will respond as quickly as possible, and will write up results that take effect immediately prior to the next day phase.
Actions: All roles will have actions or abilities that can be used at certain times during the game. These will be listed in your role PM. No player may use more than one night action in any single Night Phase, even if more than one kind of night action is listed in the role PM. You must pick which kind of night action you want to use each night from those available to you. If you are submitting an order to kill or protect someone, feel free to provide whatever level of detail you wish. Within the constraints of playability I will endeavor to create write-ups that conform to your requests, but reserve the right to edit them if necessary for game play purposes.
PM Example:
Night 4: Working with TosaInu and Ser Clegane, I will kill Seamus Fermanagh.
If your night action requires multiple people and one of the partners in your group fails to PM me, or should they PM me with different instructions (accidentally or on purpose), you group may not have the requisite numbers to perform a given night action successfully. The write up will indicate that failure, but will not reveal who was to blame for the failure.
PMs and PM-ing:
As you have probably already noted, significant parts of the game-play involves PMs sent back and forth between the Host and the players.
PMs are expected each night from all players who wish to be active so that I can write-up the actions for a given night and provide you with the results. Every person who submits a night action PM will be sent a response indicating what occurred after the deadline has expired. Please be patient while waiting for your response PM, as it may take a while to write them depending on how many are submitted.
PLEASE get your PM to me by the deadlines posted in the thread. PMs submitted after the corresponding deadline has expired will not be counted.
Voting:
Every living player may vote to Proscript (lynch) one player per day. You may vote or not vote at your choice. Please be aware however, that persistently avoiding the voting process will result in your removal from play. While the game-master reserves the right to remove someone from play when/if needed at their discretion, as a “rule-of-thumb” missing 3 votes in a row is likely to result in your removal if you were also not participating in the discussion during that time.
To Proscript (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription) (lynch) a player, the proper procedure is:
Vote: INSERT NAME HERE - To vote for the death of a living player
Vote: Abstain - To indicate you do not want to vote for anyone some reason.
To be counted, a vote MUST be posted in bold typeface using the following format:
Vote: TinCow
To change a vote, you must first unvote in the following manner:
Unvote: TinCow
Vote: TosaInu
If you do not wish to vote for anyone, but still want to register as active, you may abstain in the following manner:
Vote: Abstain
Alternatively, you can choose to vote for no proscription of any player during that round in the following manner:
Vote: No Lynch or Vote: No Proscription
If the No Lynch/Proscription option leads in votes when the time limit expires, no one will be proscripted during that day phase.
YOU MAY NOT EDIT A VOTE. You are free to edit the rest of the post but in order to alter your vote you MUST enter the change in a new post so that it is easy to keep track of.
Rules pertaining to gameplay by dead players, screenshots, etc.:
The dead may post in the public thread, but cannot vote or carry out any actions. Dead players may not reveal their roles publicly or privately. Dead players may not quote from a PM unless that PM has been posted in the public thread by a living player. Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night or day actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Dead players may not communicate about the game in any manner outside of the game thread.
No screenshots may be used, from or to anyone, for ANY purpose – this includes during PMs. You may, however, quote ANY PART of ANY PM that I send you, including role PMs and action result PMs. You may also fabricate role PMs and action result PMs as you see fit.
Chatlog conversations may be referenced/quoted, but may not be copied via screenshot. Note: it can be difficult to maintain role secrecy during chat conversations.
"Suicide" will only be allowed for players who are unable to continue playing for real life reasons. If you need to remove yourself from the game, please send me a PM and I will write you out of play in a suitably amusing and/or embarassing manner.
It is VERY STRONGLY suggested that all players enable “invisible” mode so that technology is not used to trap you. If you remain visible while on the Org boards, your activity can be logged and compared against a normal profile providing clues as to your role, working partners, etc.
Game Roles:
(Note: Any excerpts from role PMs listed below are for sample purposes only. The final format is subject to change before the game begins.)
Caesarians (3 Players):
Caesarian Dictator: Gaius Julius Caesar (Caesar) - Abilities Secret
Caesarian Legate: Marcus Antonius (Mark Anthony) - Abilities Secret
Caesarian Legate: Gnaeus Domitius Calvinus (Calvinus) - Abilities Secret
Victory Conditions for all Caesarians:
Eliminate all Pompeians and Optimates Faction Senators. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this condition is met while any other Caesarian member is still alive.
Pompeians (3 Players):
Pompeian Dictator: Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Pompey the Great) - Abilities Secret
Pompeian Legate: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica (Metellus Scipio) - Abilities Secret
Pompeian Legate: Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus (Ahenobarbus) - Abilities Secret
Victory Conditions for all Pompeians:
Eliminate all Caesarians and Populares Faction Senators. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this condition is met while any other Pompeian member is still alive.
Populares Senators (Half the town): All have unique names and at least one special ability:
POPULARES SENATOR FULL NAME (NICKNAME)
Senator
(Populares Faction)
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.
Special Ability:
Secret
Optimates Senators (Half the town): All have unique names and at least one special ability:
OPTIMATES SENATOR FULL NAME (NICKNAME)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.
Special Ability:
Secret
Praetor/Consul (2 of each, names secret):
PRAETOR FULL NAME (NICKNAME)
Preator
(Populares Faction)
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Lictors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor) (Protect) - As you are Praetor in 49 BC, you have a group of lictors to guard you. You can send your lictors to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night. Alternatively, you can have your lictors remain at your side to protect you instead. Either way, you must submit a Night Action PM with your orders. Your lictors will not protect anyone, including yourself, if you fail to submit a Night Action PM.
Participation in Senator Groups:
(1) You count towards the success of Senator kill, protection, and investigation groups. If you join a group, you will not be able to use your lictors to protect anyone, including yourself.
CONSUL FULL NAME (NICKNAME)
Consul
(Optimates Faction)
Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
OR
(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.
Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Lictors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor) (Protect) - As you are Consul in 49 BC, you have a group of lictors to guard you. You can send your lictors to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night. Alternatively, you can have your lictors remain at your side to protect you instead. Either way, you must submit a Night Action PM with your orders. Your lictors will not protect anyone, including yourself, if you fail to submit a Night Action PM.
Participation in Senator Groups:
(1) You count towards the success of Senator kill, protection, and investigation groups. If you join a group, you will not be able to use your lictors to protect anyone, including yourself.
Special Roles (Number Secret): Names Secret - Abilities Secret - Victory Conditions Secret
Signed-up (37/37): GAME FULL
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
White_eyes:D
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
mini
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
Replacements:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
ATPG
Thermal Mercury
Beefy187
05-04-2009, 15:04
:ave:
GeneralHankerchief
05-04-2009, 15:11
In. :smash:
It seems like this one has everything to become a really dirty game with lots of backstabbing, treason and drama.
I was going to take a long break from mafia...
Damn you, TinCow.
In.
Gah :mean:
Greyblades
05-04-2009, 15:32
IN.
LittleGrizzly
05-04-2009, 15:37
Sounds intresting... I like the fact townies can go one of two ways... this should be good...
In if you didn't guess...
Sasaki Kojiro
05-04-2009, 15:49
In ~D
everyone
05-04-2009, 15:55
hmm...first Mafia game I'm participating in. I'll give it a shot.
in.:yes:
Reenk Roink
05-04-2009, 15:56
IS THIS INTERFICIO II??? This sucks incredibly, I can't play. :shame: Good luck with the game guys, TinCow will surely make it good. I will have to settle skimming it when I get back. :mean:
It seems like this one has everything to become a really dirty game with lots of backstabbing, treason and drama.
I've been pondering how to put the Prisoner's Dilemma into a mafia game since Capo II. Game Theory and mafia are a match made in heaven IMO, so this is my attempt at combining them. I do also have a particular love for introducing chaos into games, so this setup has been especially appealing to me.
johnhughthom
05-04-2009, 16:24
In.
AggonyDuck
05-04-2009, 16:26
In.
Yaropolk
05-04-2009, 16:36
In :juggle2:
seireikhaan
05-04-2009, 16:36
:charge:
Splitpersonality
05-04-2009, 16:37
This looks really cool,
Sign me up please!
White_eyes:D
05-04-2009, 19:06
IN.....backstabbing and drama....:juggle2:
Tiberius of the Drake
05-04-2009, 19:41
total innage
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-04-2009, 19:57
why not, in
read a couple mafias, they seem fun
Don Corleone
05-04-2009, 20:04
It's been a while. My blood pressure hasn't been getting elevated like it should.
I'm in. :dizzy2:
PershsNhpios
05-04-2009, 22:26
My most beloved era of history...
If TinCow was not hosting, I would have neglected to join on the grounds that I am too seriously inspired and admiring of the events in the Caesar's lifetime.
I simply must keep repeating to myself, 'It's just a game, ignore the facts!'.
Also, the name "Capo de Tutti Capi II" sold it to me immediately.
Now I will go and read the opening statement!
Thank you T.C., IN.
EDIT: I will weep if I am made to be loyal to Pompeius...
Does this mean mine isn't going ahead?
Given the popularity of this game I'll abstain from signing up
If the sign up is needed I'll join, though it doesn't look very likely.
(how much of the OP are we expected to read by the way? :clown: )
Does this mean mine isn't going ahead?
Sorry, I didn't mean to step on your toes. When the Simpsons game ended, I assumed that put you into the 'active' slot, which bumped me to the next one in the holding pattern. I asked Sasaki and Sigurd whether I should wait to start the signups until the Villains game was done, and Sasaki said to go ahead with sign-ups now, so I did. The open slot for the next game is yours, I'm just open for sign-ups and won't begin until Villains is done.
A Very Super Market
05-04-2009, 23:29
I am in, and very, very, afraid
Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2009, 23:42
Sign me up as a replacement player, if you end up needing one.
Otherwise, I'll sit this one out. I've been a bit of a bully in recent games. Enjoy the peace and quiet. :bow: :bow: :bow:
I think you should get the full sign-ups without me. Though I am very tempted to join because we have some new (and old) faces that I've never played with before. :shame:
Sorry, I didn't mean to step on your toes. When the Simpsons game ended, I assumed that put you into the 'active' slot, which bumped me to the next one in the holding pattern. I asked Sasaki and Sigurd whether I should wait to start the signups until the Villains game was done, and Sasaki said to go ahead with sign-ups now, so I did. The open slot for the next game is yours, I'm just open for sign-ups and won't begin until Villains is done.
That's fine :aries:
I'll add myself to ATPG's queue of replacements. This game deserves dedicated players, I would not have time to get involved in this at all.
Iskander 3.1
05-05-2009, 05:30
Ave, I'm in. Moo.
Captain Blackadder
05-05-2009, 07:58
In thank you
pevergreen
05-05-2009, 08:04
Ah, to be a true Roman!
:bow:
It's been a while. My blood pressure hasn't been getting elevated like it should.
I'm in. :dizzy2:
Very long time no see :2thumbsup:. Welcome back, Don :bow:
atheotes
05-05-2009, 15:56
would love to play this one... IN if you still have open spots.
I've bumped the current slot number up to 31 from 30, which leaves 5 slots open after atheotes. I will try and accommodate as many people as possible before the game begins, but 35 is about as high as I can go without doing a significant re-shuffling of the roles. I have already completely written all 31 role PMs. Since every role is a real Senator with a real history and many have abilities and allegiances based on their historical counterparts, re-arranging roles becomes a massive amount of work. So, I am going to impose a hard-cap of 35 on this game. I am happy to include more players beyond that, but they will have to queue for replacement slots to take over for the inevitable WOGs.
Tratorix
05-05-2009, 17:35
In for the glory of ROME!! :charge::charge::rtwyes:
In! How could I miss this :2thumbsup:
woad&fangs
05-05-2009, 22:03
wow...
....
....
In ~:flirt:
navarro951
05-05-2009, 23:14
Finally, one for my people ROMANS FOR THE WIN! im super in!
PershsNhpios
05-06-2009, 01:43
beatus ille qui procul negotiis,
ut prisca gens mortalium,
paterna rura bobus exercet suis,
solutus omni faenore,
neque excitatur classico miles truci,
neque horret iratum mare,
forumque vitat et superba civium,
potentiorum limina,...
Just to put you all in the mood.
If all characters are historical, I must say, I don't think anyone here is virtuously or justly qualified to play the part of Catus!
Lord Winter
05-06-2009, 04:38
In, although I won't be able to participate much until wensday. Let me know if thats a problem Tincow.
beatus ille qui procul negotiis,
ut prisca gens mortalium,
paterna rura bobus exercet suis,
solutus omni faenore,
neque excitatur classico miles truci,
neque horret iratum mare,
forumque vitat et superba civium,
potentiorum limina,...
Just to put you all in the mood.
If all characters are historical, I must say, I don't think anyone here is virtuously or justly qualified to play the part of Catus!
Cato was an incorruptible conservative. Not so difficult to play such a role. Cicero however, would be the most difficult one to play.
navarro951
05-06-2009, 05:41
Cato was an incorruptible conservative. Not so difficult to play such a role. Cicero however, would be the most difficult one to play.
I agree, very tough one.
my first mafia game, let's see how this goes
my first mafia game, let's see how this goes
Welcome to the Gameroom, m'n beste landgenoot ~:wave:
Ignoramus
05-06-2009, 11:53
Is it too late to join? If not, then I'm definitely in!
In, although I won't be able to participate much until wensday. Let me know if thats a problem Tincow.
It is not. Council of Villains looks like it will last a while longer anyway.
Is it too late to join? If not, then I'm definitely in!
:rtwyes:*
*Worth noting that the pollice verso indicated in the smilies is wrong.
Against my better judgement, sign me up. :yes:
Game balance requires an odd number of players, which means that I need one more to bring it up to the hard cap of 35. If you know someone who might be interested, please point out this thread to them. Everything else has been finalized, so once we get the final player and the Villains game ends, Rubicon will begin without delay.
Cronos Impera
05-07-2009, 16:42
I'm in.
I can play if there is a space.
Looks like we're full up. Now we just need to wait to move up to active status.
I can play if there is a space.
Sorry, but I definitely cannot go over 35 without doing major re-arrangements of the roles. I am positive there will be WOGs though, so if you'd like I can put you down for a replacement role.
How can a True Roman not be here? Damn, looks like I will have to be a repleacement then.
Hrmph. There are two of you now, which would make it easier to expand again. I'll take a look at the structure this evening and see if I can pump it up to 37 without breaking it.
One thing:
It is VERY STRONGLY suggested that all players enable “invisible” mode so that technology is not used to trap you. If you remain visible while on the Org boards, your activity can be logged and compared against a normal profile providing clues as to your role, working partners, etc.
Not anymore I'd say. Looking at the profiles you will see who saw the profile, hence they could get info...
Alright, I thought about it during my commute home and I've figured out a way to expand to 37 that I think will retain the balance. Most of it is irrelevant to you at the moment, but one change needs to be publicly posted. There will now be two Consuls (both Optimates) and two Praetors (both Populares). I have updated the rules post to reflect this.
Consuls being Gaius Julius and Gnaeus Pompeus? They were the historical consuls.
Consuls being Gaius Julius and Gnaeus Pompeus? They were the historical consuls.
The game takes place in 49 BC. All roles are real people who were alive at that moment, and their roles and factions follow the lives of their historical counterparts as closely as possible within the limits imposed by balanced and entertaining gameplay.
I will say no more than that.
I do want to participate in your game TinCow, but if I am realistic, I do not have the time for it. In fact the time I can spend on this board is so irregular that participating would not be fair to the rest of the players as I would certainly fall behind in being updated on what is going on.
Sorry, but thanks for the invite.
[edit]: Wow... I just turned on pictures and signatures (I don't have it on during the rest of the week as I am accessing the org via a mobile).
Nice advertisement TinCow for your game:2thumbsup:
Alright, I thought about it during my commute home and I've figured out a way to expand to 37 that I think will retain the balance. Most of it is irrelevant to you at the moment, but one change needs to be publicly posted. There will now be two Consuls (both Optimates) and two Praetors (both Populares). I have updated the rules post to reflect this.
Thank you.
Big thanks for the change, TinCow.
Would be great to get away from the Swords of the Moon game. That was bottoms-up before the game started because I used humour and people pounced on that.
Would be great to get away from the Swords of the Moon game. That was bottoms-up before the game started because I used humour and people pounced on that.
Unless you get very annoyed at your result in SotM, you will get away.
Read Capo II. I managed to infiltrate the mafia ranks and when I revealed all the information, Charge was so mad that he left the org. So please don't be mad with us if we discover you, mafia member ;)
Would be great to get away from the Swords of the Moon game. That was bottoms-up before the game started because I used humour and people pounced on that.
Mafia games sometimes get a bit tense while they are going on. It's all in-game though. When it's over, we slap each other on the back, congratulate the winners, and (usually) marvel at how badly we got played.
Read Capo II. I managed to infiltrate the mafia ranks and when I revealed all the information, Charge was so mad that he left the org. So please don't be mad with us if we discover you, mafia member ;)
Hah, that tale is actually amusing. No, what went wrong was, I some how crossed Sasaki before the game began and no one left me alone, then again, no one will ever believe me for years to come even when they look back and go "He might have been innocent, but he was always a mafia in my books" :p
Mafia games sometimes get a bit tense while they are going on. It's all in-game though. When it's over, we slap each other on the back, congratulate the winners, and (usually) marvel at how badly we got played.
Definitely. If they turn out being people I never suspected or even thought of being mafia, I would feel really silly.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-11-2009, 01:31
:cry:
I was waiting for this game to come along and now I'm too late! Gah!
I would ask, Tincow, if you need a substitute in the case of a WoG or withdrawal that I could be added to the list.
:wall:
When does this game start, TinCow?
johnhughthom
05-12-2009, 00:21
When does this game start, TinCow?
We're waiting for Council of Villains to end I believe.
Greyblades
05-12-2009, 00:22
According to the game list it will start when the council of villians game ends.
Sorry, I can't control when the game starts, I have to wait to be moved up to active status. The game will definitely start the moment I get online after that happens. Everything is ready to go, so there should be no delay at all once this is moved to an active slot.
Sorry, I can't control when the game starts, I have to wait to be moved up to active status. The game will definitely start the moment I get online after that happens. Everything is ready to go, so there should be no delay at all once this is moved to an active slot.
It doesn't matter. As long as you give me a good role :bounce:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 01:16
Hi, I'm moving this game to the active slot since Pokemon is still struggling to get players. You may start when you are ready TinCow.
Hi, I'm moving this game to the active slot since Pokemon is still struggling to get players. You may start when you are ready TinCow.
You just admitted you are mafia.
Oh wait, wrong thread. Big thanks Sasaki, this game looks really fun.:beam:
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-12-2009, 02:00
awesome, its time for some roman politics! lets just hope Iskander doesn't sleep with my wife this time.... :shame: :clown:
Iskander 3.1
05-12-2009, 02:30
Ha, TinCow should create a role for that.
Alright, random.org is about to go to work. I will make another post when all role PMs have been sent out.
“Before beginning, plan carefully.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero
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The news of Caesar’s march reached Rome as dusk was falling. Details were scarce, and without any knowledge of the specific strength of the army that marched with him, fear and paranoia began to set in amongst the Senate. Caesar had sent out advance columns of infantry, each several cohorts in strength, and they were moving with alarming speed. The garrisons that stood in his way were small, and the loyalty of the rural towns questionable.
Messengers were sent out across Rome, announcing that an emergency meeting of the Senate would begin the next morning to discuss the situation. No one expected that the meeting would be civil or productive; the Optimates would surely demand that dictatorial powers be given to Pompey, while the Populares would obstinately block every effort the Senate made to reign in Caesar. As night fell over the city, the Roman Republic was on a knife-edge. The only solace the Senate had was that at least there would be one final night of peace before the insanity was unleashed on them all…
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All role PMs have been sent and the game is now underway. The first phase is a night action. Due to the larger than expected player base and the group night action mechanics, I will allow 36 hours for this first phase. 24 hour phases will be used after that.
The deadline for Night 1 orders is Wednesday, May 13th at 10:45am EST.
Sort of off-topic, but has anyone watched the HBO series called "Rome" ?
White_eyes:D
05-12-2009, 04:04
I get the feeling it's going to get bloody.....:juggle2:
navarro951
05-12-2009, 04:18
Sort of off-topic, but has anyone watched the HBO series called "Rome" ?
Yes indeed. Great show.
I am getting a mental picture of this being similar to that. Would be interesting to envision it.
Now I am heading to bed, I am awake again at stupid o'clock and been creating typing messages around the place in tiredness. I will correct things next time. :snooze:
Will this happen in the Senatulus like Interficio?
Gah, it makes me remember when I played in my first mafia game, themed in Roma.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 04:38
Here's the alive list, for the convenience of the mafia trying to pick out who to kill tonight:
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
White_eyes:D
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 04:52
BoS:Sasaki
Booty of suspicion?
Booty of suspicion?
Would it not be CoS then? Caligula of Suspicion? :clown:
navarro951
05-12-2009, 04:56
Would it not be CoS then? Caligula of Suspicion? :clown:
That gave me a little chuckle :balloon2:
Oh, wouldn't you like to know. :mean:
Here's the alive list, for the convenience of the mafia trying to pick out who to kill tonight:
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Apollo
Heineken
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Saint Petersburg
White_eyes:D
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
:laugh4:
And now that those idiotic wannabe dictators have picked their targets of the wrong list, I'll now give them the correct list:
Beefy187
Louis VI the Fat
Andres
Greyblades
TosaInu
Sasaki Kojiro
nobody
Devastatin Dave
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
Ser Clegane
Chaotix
Fragony
Tribesman
Somebody Else
Jolt
Banquo's Ghost
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Moros
John-117
The Stranger
Dayve
pevergreen
atheotes
Myrddraal
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
mini
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
Caius
:bow:
LittleGrizzly
05-12-2009, 09:38
Sasaki's list had a few errors so for the benefit of the mafia i have corrected the list, it would be best to choose from this list...
Navaros
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
White_eyes:D
Jolt
Redleg
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Gawain Of Orkney
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
Tratorix
Tosa Inu
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
Banqou's Ghost
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
:yes:
Edit: Tut tut at Andres and Sasaki for trying to confuse the mafia... lowest of the....
Fellow Romans your senator is here... let us remember that Rome was founded as a republic... we can't allow ourselves to fall under the tyranny of either of our potential dictators!
Edit: Tut tut at Andres and Sasaki for trying to confuse the mafia... lowest of the....
I know, it's not good sportsmanship :shame:
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-12-2009, 10:22
keep hearing about that Rome show, was it any good? anyone care to give a brief outline of the plot? if its not to much to ask....
Cronos Impera
05-12-2009, 11:10
This is going to be fun!
Askthepizzaguy
05-12-2009, 12:12
Edit: Tut tut at Andres and Sasaki for trying to confuse the mafia... lowest of the....
I know, seriously. Cultured Drizzt fan isn't even playing, yet he keeps appearing on the list. By the way, I'm afraid I'm going to be a bit quieter this time around, as I'll be extremely busy. So if I get killed tonight, don't expect much activity.
I know, seriously. Cultured Drizzt fan isn't even playing, yet he keeps appearing on the list. By the way, I'm afraid I'm going to be a bit quieter this time around, as I'll be extremely busy. So if I get killed tonight, don't expect much activity.
You know what that means... ATPG is MAFIA! Everyone kill him!
Askthepizzaguy
05-12-2009, 12:37
Excuse me, fellow Senator, but maybe you want to wait for day phase for that.
Yaropolk
05-12-2009, 18:51
Fellow Optimates and Populares:
I propose to you a protocol which will root out all Cesarians and Pompeiians, sealing a victory for the town (Populares and Optimates). We have more than 24 hours to send in night orders, so hear me out and discuss this before sending orders.
We have tremendous investigation power. All regular senators can investigate in pairs. All regular senators regardless of affiliation win if all Cesarians and Pompeiians die.
THE PROTOCOL
We will split up into 9 quartets of 4 players each. This ordering will not be random but based on TC's original post order. This will ensure I am not trying to arrange any kind of scummy groups.
In each quartet, players will split off into pairs via PM. Each pair will investigate someone from the other pair. The investigation targets will be known among the quartet before orders are sent in. The next day they will investigate the other 2 people in the quartet. Since investigation targets are not posted publically ahead of time, mafia will have a hard time preventing investigations.
The following morning each quartet will post its findings. We only care if the target of the investigation is a Senator (Optimate/Populare) or Dictator (Caesarian/Pompeiian), so don't post their exact faction. I know it's tempting for optimates to sell out populares or protect a Pompeiian, but don't do it We will win only if we all agree to follow this rule. Those scummy dictators will easily sacrifice you to gain power.
Since we know it takes 2 to investigate and both players receive the results they can serve to check each other. If 2 players dont agree on investigation results or didnt receive results that means on of them is scum. The odds of 2 Caesarians or 2 pompeians being in one quartet are quite slim. To further minimize the risk of collaboration, pairs should rotate within the quartet from day to day.
Finally, 3 senators can get together and kill someone. Don't do it! Post your investigation results and let the town lynch them. The town has immense investigation power in this game if we all agree to work together.
Please post if you agree to abide by these rules. I will post the quartets after people agree to protocol.
Splitpersonality
05-12-2009, 19:04
It seems like it would work, but I have doubts as to the successful application thereof.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 19:05
Investigations don't reveal whether someone is mafia...they just reveal which faction they belong to. Says so in the role pm.
It seems like a good idea in theory, but I doubt it'll work in practice... the mafia can just find a way around this by posting fake investigations- and since there will be so many investigations, we won't necessarily be able to prove them wrong on the same day.
Overall, it's going to translate into a huge amount of clerical work just to keep track of who investigated who on what night and with which person and what their result was, and if that result can actually be taken to be true.
And besides, how do we know we can trust you, anyway, Yaropolk?
The following morning each quartet will post its findings. We only care if the target of the investigation is a Senator (Optimate/Populare) or Dictator (Caesarian/Pompeiian), so don't post their exact faction. I know it's tempting for optimates to sell out populares or protect a Pompeiian, but don't do it We will win only if we all agree to follow this rule. Those scummy dictators will easily sacrifice you to gain power.
Note: Caesarian and Pompeiian are simply part of the role names, they are not separate 'factions' from the Optimates and Populares. All Caesarians are part of the Populares faction, and all Pompeiians are part of the Optimates faction. Senator investigation groups will show the faction of the person they investigate, nothing more.
Yaropolk, while it is a good idea, unfortunately, the Mafia could destroy a single group in a night phase, as far as I am aware. This would mean all the information and knowledge that group has obtained will be wasted. There is also the possibly that groups could have Mafia members in and they could organise their mafia-members to destroy a group bar themselves so that knowledge is sealed away.
As you can tell, there are possibilities and flaws. I suggest larger group sizes for such groups to work, and those groups operate within a secret board where all the knowledge is pooled (if that is allowed) so when a group suffers a certain amount of losses, they can spill the beans of their knowledge in hope of aiding.
Then again, where do peoples loyalties lie? Groups could be corrupted under the influence of factions thus instead of powering the senate, we are in fact delivering the senate into the hands of those who you wish to rid us off. They could also deliver targets and expose threats to those who you wish to be rid off.
There a pro's and con's and people have to choose wisely, especially in such publicised environments.
Oh, there have been some replies as well. What is the point of investigating some one then if it doesn't actually deliver anything substantial?
Askthepizzaguy
05-12-2009, 19:09
One might suggest a strategy of keeping it simple and just voting for who you think needs to die. (This from captain overcomplicated here... my apologies.)
What is the point of investigating some one then if it doesn't actually deliver anything substantial?
Read Senator victory condition #2.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 19:15
Oh, there have been some replies as well. What is the point of investigating some one then if it doesn't actually deliver anything substantial?
I believe it benefits the town as a whole to avoid investigations--and certainly to keep any results private. If we remove one of the mafia groups, and the other knows who the enemy senators are, they will win much more quickly than if they don't.
At this stage in the game, the mafia are much more eager to know which faction people belong to. For a regular senator, the odds are that they will die, so the "eliminate all mafia" is the win condition they should be working towards. Of course later in the game this becomes more interesting...hmm if we eliminate one faction than investigation results can begin clearing peoples names. So they are useful, just don't share them with a central source, or with anyone other than your partner. That person could be mafia and you could be aiding in their victory.
Later in the game we might be able to use them on a case by case basis. Like if someone is going to be lynched and two people step forward to say that they belong to the faction whose mafia group has already been eliminated.
I see that condition, but doesn't that make condition 1 nearly impossible to complete? Afterall, you could see the presence of some one of status of Caesar and Pompey from a mile away. Would investigations at least reveal the names of who you investigated?
Yaropolk, while it is a good idea, unfortunately, the Mafia could destroy a single group in a night phase, as far as I am aware. This would mean all the information and knowledge that group has obtained will be wasted. There is also the possibly that groups could have Mafia members in and they could organise their mafia-members to destroy a group bar themselves so that knowledge is sealed away.
As you can tell, there are possibilities and flaws. I suggest larger group sizes for such groups to work, and those groups operate within a secret board where all the knowledge is pooled (if that is allowed) so when a group suffers a certain amount of losses, they can spill the beans of their knowledge in hope of aiding.
Then again, where do peoples loyalties lie? Groups could be corrupted under the influence of factions thus instead of powering the senate, we are in fact delivering the senate into the hands of those who you wish to rid us off. They could also deliver targets and expose threats to those who you wish to be rid off.
There a pro's and con's and people have to choose wisely, especially in such publicised environments.
Oh, there have been some replies as well. What is the point of investigating some one then if it doesn't actually deliver anything substantial?
Call me crazy, but I get a scummy feeling from these words already...
Perhaps it's just because I haven't played a game with you before, Beskar. I'll have to get accustomed to your playstyle before I go around accusing you on the basis of your manner of writing...
:laugh4:
Mafia's always more fun with new players.
Those were simply words of caution. Would you call the Health Inspector scummy when he describes the risks involved in trying to do something a certain way?
Since my suggestions would actually have been a more of a danger to mafia-members opposed to assisting them, it would be like a two-handed axe murderer cutting off one of his own arms.
Askthepizzaguy
05-12-2009, 19:21
Call me crazy, but I get a scummy feeling from these words already...
My my my, Senator Chaoticus Maximus, you sure are tossing around the accusations tonight. Could this be your own guilt being projected onto others?
GeneralHankerchief
05-12-2009, 19:23
Beskar's posting style and his guilt/innocence was the topic of discussion for Swords in the Moon up until his death. I'd say this is pretty normal for him, although we have yet to officially see what he was in the other game.
Please note that if I do not respond to a question that is asked, it is because I do not want to comment on it, I am not ignoring you. I understand that there are lots of questions due to the unusual nature of this game, however some information you will simply have to discover for yourselves. You will forgive me if I refrain from commenting on the game except when I feel there is some aspect of the rules that needs to be clarified for it to operate properly. :bow:
Beskar's posting style and his guilt/innocence was the topic of discussion for Swords in the Moon up until his death. I'd say this is pretty normal for him, although we have yet to officially see what he was in the other game.
Ah. Good, then I'm not crazy (or at least not for that reason).
I'll stop accusing you based on post style, then, which would sound decidedly scummy if anyone else said it, and take it as your normal gameplay. :bow:
Now I just need to find a new reason to vote for you. :evil:
Please note that if I do not respond to a question that is asked, it is because I do not want to comment on it, I am not ignoring you. I understand that there are lots of questions due to the unusual nature of this game, however some information you will simply have to discover for yourselves. You will forgive me if I refrain from commenting on the game except when I feel there is some aspect of the rules that needs to be clarified for it to operate properly. :bow:
You just admitted you're mafia.
(No worries, I fully understand.)
Ah. Good, then I'm not crazy (or at least not for that reason).
I'll stop accusing you based on post style, then, which would sound decidedly scummy if anyone else said it, and take it as your normal gameplay. :bow:
Officially, I am not allowed to say for certain, because of the rules, but I think it was fair to say, I was well known for confessing my innocence, citing several sources by pro-town roles which indicated as such. I died a cowards death (well, Andres wrote it like that) when I duelled some one I suspected of being a mafia-role member.
Yaropolk
05-12-2009, 20:43
This plan will not work because Caearians and Pompeiians are not their own faction =/
Move along now.
Splitpersonality
05-12-2009, 22:35
(OOC: I did notice your death was rather cowardly Beskar, maybe it was just his observation of your posting style and whatnot)
Well, I for one would like to see an organization of town groups, but with such unusual circumstances for senators and the groups, I doubt a single collective knowledge would help everyone.
Damn, I was right about Ichigo, curses. Sasaki should have followed my gut instinct instead of trying to get be lynched. Oh, just to clarify to the earlier mention, I can officially say I was innocent.
Back to the game, I just hope there aren't many causalities tonight.
Hmmm...anyone know of a woman from Bithynia?
Damn, I was right about Ichigo, curses. Sasaki should have followed my gut instinct instead of trying to get be lynched. Oh, just to clarify to the earlier mention, I can officially say I was innocent.
Back to the game, I just hope there aren't many causalities tonight.
Confused :clown:?
AggonyDuck
05-12-2009, 23:25
Yaro, that sounds good in theory, but I'm not sure that it will actually work.
I am not sure how many actually die from the Night phase, for example, Swords of the Moon was 3 every night. Would hate to have a short game of this.
Damn, I was right about Ichigo, curses. Sasaki should have followed my gut instinct instead of trying to get be lynched. Oh, just to clarify to the earlier mention, I can officially say I was innocent.
Back to the game, I just hope there aren't many causalities tonight.
Change of avatar?
What's next? "peverkar"?
FoS : the man currently known as Beskar
As for large townie networks or a couple of "information centra": I don't believe in it. Some people talk too much. I'd work in groups of no more than 4 and stick to that. If you reveal your info, at least do it in the public thread, that way it's not just going to a possible infiltrating scumbag, but it's available for all townies.
You never noticed how I changed my avatar to a Samurai shogun for Swords of the Moon?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 23:48
I've changed my avatar from "Hooded Samurai" to "Hooded Senator".
You never noticed how I changed my avatar to a Samurai shogun for Swords of the Moon?
Aha, a man who frequently changes his appearances to whatever is most advantageous to him. A man who would betray the noble cause for gold. Might as well lynch a potential traitor.
FoSbis : Beskar
I've changed my avatar from "Hooded Samurai" to "Hooded Senator".
Another one!
Fos : Sasaki
Greyblades
05-12-2009, 23:53
Woah, I was about to change my own avatar, but now I think I'm going to sick with ol' hoodie.
Did I sound like a hippy just now?
I like your avatar, tempted to steal it.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-12-2009, 23:55
Woah, I was about to change my own avatar, but now I think I'm going to sick with ol' hoodie.
Did I sound like a hippy just now?
Afraid of Andres's finger eh?
Greyblades
05-12-2009, 23:57
I like your avatar, tempted to steal it.
Its mine, hands off. I went through 2 different colours of hoods, 3 beards and 12 different types of faces before I got one that was not allready being used by a regular member.
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 00:03
I agree with Andres aout townie networks, unless we have a gaurenteed innocent its very risky, even then they need to not share the information... Overall smaller groups are better less chance of scum infiltration...
Yaropolk
05-13-2009, 00:16
I think some scum is trying to sneak up on my right!
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 00:19
*slashes to senators right*
Wait a second... im far too important for this...
*orders peasent to slash to Yaropolk's right*
Beefy187
05-13-2009, 01:31
Hmmm...anyone know of a woman from Bithynia?
I prefer a Roman from a noble family over woman from Bithynia anytime :yes:
Although if the woman from Bithynia is pretty and if she is a slave then... that changes a few things..
Damn, I was right about Ichigo, curses. Sasaki should have followed my gut instinct instead of trying to get be lynched. Oh, just to clarify to the earlier mention, I can officially say I was innocent.
Back to the game, I just hope there aren't many causalities tonight.
Lies I say! How could you know such a thing? This man is slandering my good name! :mean:
Ignoramus
05-13-2009, 06:31
Investigating is only useful if you're trying to kill off your rival faction. It probably will be used more when the number of players decreases.
Captain Blackadder
05-13-2009, 08:16
I agree the investigation powers are only usefull to those senators who wish to see the end of the our glorious republic and join that curr Pompey why did such a good man as Crassus have to die he would have made sure this whole mess never would have happened. Instead I think we should look to Cicero he is a defender of the republic and everything it stands for. Cicero come make some of your fine speeches. To my own mind this is quite possibly the worst thing we have seen since Cataline and us people both Optimites and Populares must work together to defend the republic.
Cronos Impera
05-13-2009, 09:38
FoS: Yaropolk
He is one naughty Cesarian. He tries too much to control the Senate, imposing the senators not to kill during the night phase.
Beefy187
05-13-2009, 09:49
I agree the investigation powers are only usefull to those senators who wish to see the end of the our glorious republic and join that curr Pompey why did such a good man as Crassus have to die he would have made sure this whole mess never would have happened. Instead I think we should look to Cicero he is a defender of the republic and everything it stands for. Cicero come make some of your fine speeches. To my own mind this is quite possibly the worst thing we have seen since Cataline and us people both Optimites and Populares must work together to defend the republic.
I have only respect for Pomepey for all the years he served our republic.
As for Caesar.. I can't exactly say I'm feeling good vibes from Caesar..
But I agree. This is a difficult time and all of us has to work together!!
Now just where is Cicero? I'm sure he has something to say..
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-13-2009, 10:24
FOS: Iskander,
both Caesar and Pompey were adulterers. coincidence? I think not!
and really, I doubt crassus living would have changed anything, do we really know enough about him to say with certainty that he wouldn't have decided he wanted the power for himself. he would have to have been a saint!
Ignoramus
05-13-2009, 12:56
and really, I doubt crassus living would have changed anything, do we really know enough about him to say with certainty that he wouldn't have decided he wanted the power for himself. he would have to have been a saint!
The fact that he made his money by burning down property and then buying the land for next to nothing gives us a fairly good as to his character...
I fear monogamy wasn´t all that hip, back in the days. Orgies seemed to be rather popular, I think you have to look for other virtues than not sleeping around...
Night 1 is over. Write-up commencing.
“We are not asking you to pardon those you have decided to kill; all we ask is that you free from suspense those you have decided not to kill.”
- Caius Metellus to Lucius Cornelius Sulla
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6278/mariusatminturnae.jpg
White_eyes:D was greatly disturbed by the news filtering down the Via Flaminia. Caesar had made his move only a day or two before, yet there were already rumors of an impending clash. Quintus Minucius Thermus was garrisoned at Iguvium with a full five cohorts. While this was far from sufficient force to stop a legion, it was surely enough to blunt the few men Caesar had managed to hastily assemble in Cisalpine Gaul. After all, his legions were still in Long Haired Gaul… weren’t they?
Still, the uncertainty of the situation made White_eyes:D nervous. The political ramifications and personal vendettas caused by the conflict between Gaius Marius and Lucius Cornelius Sulla were still simmering. The Gods only knew what another round of civil war would bring to Rome. Thus it was that night found White_eyes:D pacing around his villa, his brow furrowed and his thoughts troubled.
He was concentrating so deeply on what the morning’s Senate session would bring, that he did not notice the men standing in the shadows of the nearby columns. With every turn of his pacing, they advanced silently up the room, slipping first behind one support, then another, until they were within a few cubits of their quarry. A strange reflection in a nearby polished candlestick caught White_eyes:D’s attention, and he jerked around in surprise to see a gladius descending towards him. He instinctively lifted his arm to block, but flesh proved little deterrent to hardened steel. The blade cleaved through his forearm and plunged deep into his chest; he collapsed with blood bubbling up into his lungs. He tried to speak, but the best he could manage was to spray red flecks on the cold stone floor. White_eyes:D looked into the face of his attacker, but it was cold and without emotion. As he attempted to crawl towards the figure, one of the others came up from behind him and slit his throat.
…
mini rose in the middle of the night with a stomach ache. His cena had been an excellent mix of mushrooms, eggs, fish, and snails, with marinated plums for dessert. He had an excellent chef, but he suspected that the snails had disagreed with him. Was it the snails themselves, or perhaps the garlic mash they had been dipped in? Hopefully it was the latter, because the thought of having to remove snails from his diet was too dreadful to contemplate. What would be next, clams? Sea urchin? Where would this madness end?! Yes, it was probably just bad garlic.
mini was walking towards the culina to investigate this matter for himself, when a dark figure stepped out of the shadows to block his path. It must be a servant, he thought, and requested the man’s aid in searching the basket of garlic for rot. There was no response, and as mini watched a gladius appear in the figure’s right hand. An assassin! This was not the proper Roman way of doing things. An honorable man would stab his foes to death in public, proud of the act he was committing, he would not do it in the dark of night!
He whirled around, looking for an escape, but other men stepped forward, blocking his way from the opposite side of the corridor. There was nowhere to run, and the blades were soon upon him. After the job had been done, the murders departed, leaving mini in a pool of blood on the floor. As he quickly bled to death, he muttered a quiet curse on those who had committed such a cowardly act.
…
As dawn broke over the Capitoline, the Senators slowly filed into the Curia Cornelia. Without exception, all were engaged in hushed discussions with nearby friends and colleagues. As they glanced nervously around the chamber, wondering what the day would bring, few noticed the two empty seats in the Optimates section. Attention was instead focused on a bit of parchment that had been nailed to the door. It read:
Whoah! Talk about an expensive woman!
We're talking about a woman that must have a platinum vagina!
Flora charges 1000 denarii for two hours of “work”.
The city guard spokesman, Aurelius Coppus, said Flora was seen in the company of a Roman Senator.
The Senator, using the fake name "Don Corleone" agreed to have sex with the famous prostitute for a whopping 2500 denarii!
Rumour has it that "Flora" is actually a former Germanic slave released by the famous Pompey the Great and is now a hard working, tax paying citizen on the payroll of... Pompey the Great!
Alive (35):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
navarro951
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Beskar
Caius
Killed (2):
White_eyes:D
mini
Proscripted (0):
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now Day 1. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Thursday, May 14th at 12:30am EST. (Extra hour added, as I will not have time to do the day write-up at 11:30.)
Rofl? I think TinCow has been smoking some herbs or Caesar did. What the hell....
Splitpersonality
05-13-2009, 16:31
Multiple assassins, Opimates dead.
Seems that a few loyal to Ceaser have decieded to take action upon the senate...
(OOC:I think I read my history right, I may be wrong though so if I'm just rambling, ignore me :clown:)
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 16:31
Right one set of killers has no sense of shame... new guy first night... harsh, hope this doesn't put you off mafia mini!
I don't know what to make of this letter from Caesar... mentions Don by name paying (a lot of ?) money for a prostitute... maybe money from a bribe or for being in the backpockets off one or the other faction... though considering this letter is from one potential dictator... i wouldn't read too much into it...
Don what do you have to say for yourself ?
ohh and send Flora this way once your done...
By my calculations you had her for 5 hours... you animal you!
Edit: im guessing mafia didn't know what faction players they were killing... if they can investigate they haven't had the chance to do so yet...
Splitpersonality
05-13-2009, 16:34
5 hours of inactivity for one of us?
It's better than him being dead I suppose, for him much likely a lot better.
Shame on that Senator. Unless he has something to say. Or was he framed?
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 16:37
Ohh... your saying she's some sort of roleblocker... that would make sense... i was imagining her as a NPC there for either story purposes or some kind of hinting towards something... like Don has too much money...
Her as a roleblocker makes a lot of sense though... ill go back and check rules... were 2 kills expected or did we expect more ?
Edit: Gah! no mention of kill numbers... Unless someone says different (though i can't see a way to tell them apart) im assuming each faction got one...
Also do we think Caesar wrote this himself... or TC ?
need someone with good english skills for this job...
Her as a roleblocker makes a lot of sense though... ill go back and check rules... were 2 kills expected or did we expect more ?
LG, the fact that he spent the night with her did not mean that Don was involved in an assasination. One of those would had failed (like if we, in Capo, did not send the PM).
Just a thought, because this is a take off from Capo II
Splitpersonality
05-13-2009, 16:47
Don's "blocked role", if we can even call it that at this point, could be many things. As we all have secret abilities (or so the first post declares), maybe his ability was to survive an attack through being preoccupied.
There is no known number of kills, and as far as we know it could increase or decrease randomly.
(OOC:)The message seems to be a clue of sorts, but (IC:) it could just be a defaming statement aimed at a pompeian supporter.
Doesn't appear to be Tincow's style, but i'm not smart enough to figure out who it is. All I can say is treat it as a clue, but don't sit here and believe it to be definitive.
Just remembered, two kills would make sense. There are two groups of three that make up ceaser, and his top aides, and pomei, and his top aides, maybe this has somethign to do with it?
atheotes
05-13-2009, 16:48
funny message... question is why "Don Coreleone"?
(IC) if it is true, good for him i guess :yes:
Flora with the platinum vagina :laugh4:
TinCow never ceases to amuse me.
Vote : Don Corleone
Post some pics paintings of last night and I'll unvote.
Yaropolk
05-13-2009, 17:19
Flora with the platinum vagina :laugh4:
TinCow never ceases to amuse me.
Vote : Don Corleone
Post some pics paintings of last night and I'll unvote.
A role block on first night would've been a stab in the dark! You're trying to lynch a likely innocent man. vote: Andres
So eager to vote? We must be calmed, the Republica saved.
A role block on first night would've been a stab in the dark! You're trying to lynch a likely innocent man. vote: Andres
I voted because I want pics of Don's nightly adventures.
You're reading a lot in a playful post :inquisitive:
Instead of voting randomly, I will Vote: No Lynch. :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 17:56
Vote:Askthepizzaguy
Got a guilty result on him...
Sasaki, what does a guilty result look like?
Not calling you a liar, I am just curious.
Askthepizzaguy is on the replacements list :balloon2:
Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2009, 18:10
Vote:Askthepizzaguy
Got a guilty result on him...
Awesome. :2thumbsup:
Perhaps the greatest single moment in mafia history.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 18:27
Askthepizzaguy is on the replacements list :balloon2:
My result said that he was "Octavian". He should be lynched immediately.
Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2009, 18:30
I'm fine with that. On the condition I get to duel sasaki first like a gladiator over a pit filled with lions. Nothing but spears and well-placed loincloths. The winner gets all the slave girls. The loser gets to become lion poo.
My result said that he was "Octavian". He should be lynched immediately.
Never trust Sasaki. If he is trying to do something at all costs, means he is right. But not always.
atpg is a 12 year old boy who gets captured by Pompey.
Yaropolk
05-13-2009, 19:19
Beskar, your new avatar looks like Caius joined hair club for men.
Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2009, 19:23
atpg is a 12 year old boy who gets captured by Pompey.
I'm telling Alexander the Pretty Good you said that. I don't think he will be pleased.
It's ATPG, not atpg. If pevergreen can insist on lowercase...
Step over here and call me a 12 year old boy, little man... :knight:
http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/cast/character/season2/character_octavian_younger.jpg
ATPG is not amused.
Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2009, 19:29
I wish I was that handsome. Rowr.... :wink:
Edit: Gosh, is that one even legal? *hides*
Ehm, how about we have the actual players posting in this thread?
Unvote ; Vote : Ichigo
You still haven't voted Sasaki :mean:
Hmm, I could vote for Ichigo and hopefully this time, get him lynched, muahaha... only kidding. Since I am clueless who to vote for, I will just copy Andres' vote for now until some one suspicious actually turns up.
Vote: Ichigo
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 19:51
Not sure who to vote for so I'll copy Beskar's vote for now.
Vote:Ichigo
GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2009, 19:52
Nice Swords in the Moon backlash. :laugh4:
Vote: Glenn
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 19:56
Nice Swords in the Moon backlash. :laugh4:
Vote: Glenn
You broke the chain :angry::angry::angry:
GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2009, 19:57
Start a new one and vote Glenn. :smoking:
Start a new one and vote Glenn. :smoking:
Monsieur wants change?
Are you the type who wishes to instal a new form of government? A dictatorship, perhaps?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 20:00
Start a new one and vote Glenn. :smoking:
Why so eager to save Ichigo? That strikes me as suspicious, reminds me of the way you played in inishmore in fact. And after having spent the whole game plotting with you I fancy I have a good feel for your play as mafia.
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-13-2009, 20:00
Vote: abstain
until I see some actual evidence beyond gut feelings (which of course there wont be for a couple more days....) also, what the heck is Caesar smoking? is that supposed to be some kind of code?
GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2009, 20:01
Why so eager to save Ichigo? That strikes me as suspicious, reminds me of the way you played in inishmore in fact. And after having spent the whole game plotting with you I fancy I have a good feel for your play as mafia.
Oh noes, I iz cornered! :smg: :help: :hmg:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 20:02
Yes, GH is definitely guilty.
Why so eager to save Ichigo? That strikes me as suspicious, reminds me of the way you played in inishmore in fact. And after having spent the whole game plotting with you I fancy I have a good feel for your play as mafia.
Of course, having been around GH for so long and all, it's also possible you are now suffering from a mental illness that makes you associate "mafia" with "GeneralHankerchief"?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 20:06
Of course, having been around GH for so long and all, it's also possible you are now suffering from a mental illness that makes you associate "mafia" with "GeneralHankerchief"?
Why would I not associate "mafia" with "Mafia"? One is simply capitalized while the other is lower case, really Andres :juggle2:
Why would I not associate "mafia" with "Mafia"? One is simply capitalized while the other is lower case, really Andres :juggle2:
Hm, hm. Is the sofa comfortable enough, Mister Kojiro?
Now, about your childhood...
GeneralHankerchief never replies to my private messages either, I think he thinks he is too good for us senators.
Unvote: Ichigo; Vote:GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2009, 20:09
GeneralHankerchief never replies to my private messages either, I think he thinks he is too good for us senators.
Unvote: Ichigo; Vote:GeneralHankerchief
You send me a PM and I'll reply to it. :dizzy2:
-edit- Ah, nevermind, I know what you're referring to.
-edit- Ah, nevermind, I know what you're referring to.
You just admitted you are mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 20:14
unvote:Ichigo
Vote:Cronos Impera
This is going to be fun!
Perhaps he is excited to have a mafia role.
FoS: Yaropolk
He is one naughty Cesarian. He tries too much to control the Senate, imposing the senators not to kill during the night phase.
Assumes Yaropolk is a cesarian--perhaps because he is a pompean. Speaks of yaropolk trying to "control the Senate" and "imposing the senators not to kill"--note that he says "senators" instead of "us".
Tiberius of the Drake
05-13-2009, 21:05
Fos: Don Corleone
Im not sure what to make of the fact that he was role blocked
Fos:Beskar
I dont see how GH has admitted to being Mafia.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
no real reason here, just following the rules of mafia :bow:
seireikhaan
05-13-2009, 21:19
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake
Splitpersonality
05-13-2009, 21:53
Vote:Cronos Impera
As much as I hate to agree with Sasaki, he seems to have a decent case built here, better than most at least.
Vote:Sasaki
Everyone who wants to lynch a guilty person vote Sasaki.
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 22:17
Intresting first round... loads of votes flying around.. ichigo's case almost convinced me but im going to vote Abstain
Intresting first round... loads of votes flying around.. ichigo's case almost convinced me but im going to vote Abstain
You're saying you don't want to lynch guilty people? Strange...
Tratorix
05-13-2009, 22:43
Vote:Cronos Impera
As much as I hate to agree with Sasaki, he seems to have a decent case built here, better than most at least.
Just because he posts a reason for a vote doesn't make it a decent case. :laugh4:
Also, your name has an irritating mix of numbers and letters. What, is English not good enough for you? :inquisitive:
Vote: Splitpersonality
navarro951
05-13-2009, 23:05
Instead of voting randomly, I will Vote: No Lynch. :bow:
I have to agree, if their are any clues in that write up i haven't yet seen them. And im not sure if the whole ATPG being Octavian thing is for real.
Vote: No Lynch
LittleGrizzly
05-13-2009, 23:10
And im not sure if the whole ATPG being Octavian thing is for real.
TBH im guessing the people on the replacement list haven't got a role, i think we should spend the first three rounds trying to lynch the replacements just to be sure...
~;)
Let's all vote no lynch every round.
woad&fangs
05-13-2009, 23:12
I think that whoever killed mini is a throne room player. There are a lot of these in this game but I'm going to go after the people who didn't vote for anyone.
FoS: TheFlax
vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
The vote goes to cultured Drizzt fan because of the post he made when he abstained. His reasoning was that people only have gut feelings to go off of the first few days. While this is true, it sounds like something a veteran team mate would advise him to say.
Or in simple terms, it is a gut feeling:rtwyes:
navarro951
05-13-2009, 23:22
I think that whoever killed mini is a throne room player. There are a lot of these in this game but I'm going to go after the people who didn't vote for anyone.
FoS: TheFlax
vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
The vote goes to cultured Drizzt fan because of the post he made when he abstained. His reasoning was that people only have gut feelings to go off of the first few days. While this is true, it sounds like something a veteran team mate would advise him to say.
Or in simple terms, it is a gut feeling:rtwyes:
hmm actually a pretty reasonable explanation...at the moment i wont waste a vote..
Vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
pevergreen
05-13-2009, 23:23
Vote: Sasaki
I have a guilty result on him as well.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 23:24
I think that whoever killed mini is a throne room player. There are a lot of these in this game but I'm going to go after the people who didn't vote for anyone.
FoS: TheFlax
vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
The vote goes to cultured Drizzt fan because of the post he made when he abstained. His reasoning was that people only have gut feelings to go off of the first few days. While this is true, it sounds like something a veteran team mate would advise him to say.
Or in simple terms, it is a gut feeling:rtwyes:
I agree with this reasoning.
GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2009, 23:24
"Guilty" or "criminal"? That's a pretty big difference.
Also, I think Sasaki would expect to be the target of so many investigations in the early phase of the game and lay low.
-edit- BTW, navarro and woad, I thought Beanerz wasn't playing. :laugh4:
woad&fangs
05-13-2009, 23:31
hmm actually a pretty reasonable explanation...at the moment i wont waste a vote..
Vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
BTW, when you are changing your vote you have to unvote: player before you can vote for someone else.
edit: I don't get the reference, GH...
Sasaki Kojiro
05-13-2009, 23:31
Sasaki: 3 (Tiberius of drake,Ichigo,pevergreen)
Cultural Drizzt: 2 (W&F,navarro)
Cronos Impera: 2 (Sasaki, Split)
no lynch: 1 (the flax)
Andres: 1(Yaropolk)
Ichigo: 1(Andres)
Glenn: 1(GeneralH)
GeneralHankerchief: 1(Beskar)
Tiberius of drake: 1(khaan)
Split: 1 (Tratorix)
Interesting choice pever... :driver:
Splitpersonality
05-13-2009, 23:31
Just because he posts a reason for a vote doesn't make it a decent case. :laugh4:
Also, your name has an irritating mix of numbers and letters. What, is English not good enough for you? :inquisitive:
Vote: Splitpersonality
His case is good enough for me at this point, with no other evidence :grin:
The name's not my fault either, it's just been a thing i've used forever :P
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-13-2009, 23:40
and here I thought it was just cause I have been reading mafias for the past 4 weeks, just never had the courage to join one. I can come up with good Ideas on my own you know! :clown:
but thats wont change your mind at this point I guess, ah well....
but really I am not an idiot, I wouldnt join a mafia if I hadnt read a couple dozen before hand to get a feel for everyone's (not you everyone) play style.
plus if I was going to kill someone I would obviously kill Iskander! he is the one I hate beyond all others!!!!!!!! (this is a joke, all hatred between myself and Iskander is totally fabricated, just dont tell him that)
To lynch Sasaki this early would be foolish.. especially with only three votes on him.
Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Just to tie it up for now.
woad&fangs
05-13-2009, 23:51
Actually, that does convince me not to vote for you... for now
unvote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
hmm lets see...
vote: TheFlax
For no good reason
pevergreen
05-13-2009, 23:51
Should I be roleplaying my guy? Cause that would be so much fun. :grin2:
Actually, that does convince me not to vote for you... for now
unvote: Cultured Drizzt Fan
hmm lets see...
vote: TheFlax
For no good reason
:thinking:
Very well then.
Unvote: CDF
Vote: Cronos Impera
Tratorix
05-14-2009, 00:02
:thinking:
Very well then.
Unvote: CDF
Vote: Cronos Impera
Nice to see you're a committed band wagoner.
Unvote: Splitpersonality, Vote: Chaotix
Make your own choices, be all you can be and so forth.
Beefy187
05-14-2009, 00:05
Two of us fine senators died...
Now its obvious that it was one of the Popularis :no:
We demand justice to be done!! :furious3:
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-14-2009, 00:06
how do you know that?
Nice to see you're a committed band wagoner.
Unvote: Splitpersonality, Vote: Chaotix
Make your own choices, be all you can be and so forth.
:laugh4:
Nice to see you've paid attention.
Actually, I'm voting the only other person who already had two votes, not for the purpose of bandwagoning, but in order to tie the tally with Sasaki. I repeat, I think it would be a waste to get rid of Sasaki this early, especially because of a few joke votes.
First round lynches are rarely useful. As soon as we get Sasaki, who is extremely useful as a townie and easily lynchable as mafia, away from the top of the tally, I'll probably abstain.
Tratorix
05-14-2009, 00:19
:laugh4:
Nice to see you've paid attention.
Actually, I'm voting the only other person who already had two votes, not for the purpose of bandwagoning, but in order to tie the tally with Sasaki. I repeat, I think it would be a waste to get rid of Sasaki this early, especially because of a few joke votes.
First round lynches are rarely useful. As soon as we get Sasaki, who is extremely useful as a townie and easily lynchable as mafia, away from the top of the tally, I'll probably abstain.
:sweatdrop: I've really gotta start reading other peoples posts instead of assuming what they say based on the first sentence.
Unvote; Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-14-2009, 00:23
you know what, I am a cruel vindictive person, I said I wasn't going to vote without any evidence, but I lied.
Unvote abstain; Vote Chaotix
just so it wont be a tie!
(no hard feelings though)
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-14-2009, 00:30
ok, that was false I guess, it is going to be a tie....
Beefy187
05-14-2009, 01:16
you know what, I am a cruel vindictive person, I said I wasn't going to vote without any evidence, but I lied.
Unvote abstain; Vote Chaotix
just so it wont be a tie!
(no hard feelings though)
I like honorable romans. Not cruel ones :smash:
Vote: Cultured Drizzt fan
Captain Blackadder
05-14-2009, 01:17
Vote:Cronos Impera
That kind of slip of the tounge is very suspicious to me.
The fact that he made his money by burning down property and then buying the land for next to nothing gives us a fairly good as to his character...
How dare you insult Crassus like that he was a wonderfull man infact one of my favourites along with Cicero. They are such good men. They have more importance in their fingers then you have in your entire body. By the way how is your wife?
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-14-2009, 01:20
mehh, I think voting for me just to tie it up just so Sasaki wont get voted out is a bit cruel. then again I am biased. :sweatdrop:,
plus honorable romans are few and far between by now, or we wouldnt be in this mess (seriously BTSH was in my mind a very accurate portrayal of roman politics.)
Iskander 3.1
05-14-2009, 01:41
plus if I was going to kill someone I would obviously kill Iskander! he is the one I hate beyond all others!!!!!!!! (this is a joke, all hatred between myself and Iskander is totally fabricated, just dont tell him that)
Wait, I'm not really supposed to hate you? Well that changes who I was going to vote for.:beam: I should hurry up and figure out which character you are so I can start sleeping with your wife.
In Drizzt's defense, his reasoning for voting to abstain might just be because this is his first game. (I did that my first time and it got me whacked on the second night for it.) Then again, maybe he expected us to think that. Ah, the old Princess Bride reasoning.
I think that right now I'm going to vote: Cronos Impera. From what I've been reading, Sasaki is always right, but never trustworthy.
GeneralHankerchief
05-14-2009, 01:47
In Drizzt's defense, his reasoning for voting to abstain might just be because this is his first game. (I did that my first time and it got me whacked on the second night for it.) Then again, maybe he expected us to think that. Ah, the old Princess Bride reasoning.
Welcome, you'll do well here. You've just stumbled upon WIFOM reasoning (Wine In Front of Me) without realizing it. :laugh4:
Iskander 3.1
05-14-2009, 01:53
Welcome, you'll do well here. You've just stumbled upon WIFOM reasoning (Wine In Front of Me) without realizing it. :laugh4:
Oh great, I bet I'll get killed for that :laugh4:
Cultured Drizzt fan
05-14-2009, 02:00
I just thought it might be a good Idea to wait before throwing out votes, I mean I didn't know anything so why bother voting and lynching someone who could probably end up helping us later. so I abstained. no big secret. this is my first game and all, so I decided to start off slow and listen to everyone else. but like I said I am vindictive, Chaotix is voting for me simply to tie it up with Sasaki. if he did so because he honestly believed I was the mob then I would have no problem, but that's not it, hence the vote.
in my own weird way I am defending my honor.... :clown:
(and its gonna get me lynched...)
"From all vindication and revenge proscripts and inflamed accusations, I humbly ask all fellow Senators never go to excess, but let moderation be your guide. For we are yet far from having any evidence which can be used to legitimatly proscript someone from this world. Remember, most of us are noble and respectful Senators, and since that is so we should not throw around and murder some illustrious person over trivial clues or hints. That is my opinion."
Proscript: No Proscription
As to the "Rome" series, I highly endorse it. The first episode is rather tedious, but beyond that it gets quite interesting. In any case, this is the best scene of the entire Rome series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvbiC634Pb0): Mark Antony and young Octavian fighting like girlie men.
Rome itself is based on the historical path, but has many changes in events to fit the main characters in (Which are Lucius Vorenus, a centurion and Titus Pullo, a RL Centurion, but in the series is a simple legionary.)
Beefy187
05-14-2009, 03:13
"From all vindication and revenge proscripts and inflamed accusations, I humbly ask all fellow Senators never go to excess, but let moderation be your guide. For we are yet far from having any evidence which can be used to legitimatly proscript someone from this world. Remember, most of us are noble and respectful Senators, and since that is so we should not throw around and murder some illustrious person over trivial clues or hints. That is my opinion."
Proscript: No Proscription
Forgive me, friend. For my manners.
After hearing you, I leaned towards No proscription until we can gather more evidence on their guilt.
However rumours says that both Caesarian extreminists and Pomepeiian extremist are killing. And it may become extremely hard to decide who is truly guilty and who is not.
So I suggest voting for anyone who seems slightly suspecious despite the low odds of getting it right.
As Cicero is not speaking up, we have to take initiative our selves. So fellow senators. Please do not feel dishonored if you were chosen. Until your innocence is proven, I offer you my vila in Pompey along with my slaves to guard you :bow:
navarro951
05-14-2009, 03:17
BTW, when you are changing your vote you have to unvote: player before you can vote for someone else.
edit: I don't get the reference, GH...
neither do i.
seireikhaan
05-14-2009, 03:19
Dear Caesarians and/or Pompeians: Please kill me tonight, I would be most grateful. Thank you in advance. :bow:
Sasaki: 3 (Tiberius of drake,Ichigo,pevergreen)
Cultural Drizzt: 2 (W&F,navarro)
Cronos Impera: 2 (Sasaki, Split)
no lynch: 1 (the flax)
Andres: 1(Yaropolk)
Ichigo: 1(Andres)
Glenn: 1(GeneralH)
GeneralHankerchief: 1(Beskar)
Tiberius of drake: 1(khaan)
Split: 1 (Tratorix)
No proscription: 2 (Jolt, w&f)
Damn, its incomplete. I can't make it, I am tired. Can someone post a right Tally?
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:07
Vote: No lynch
I haven't seen anything which leads me to believe anybody in particular is mafia and don't want to pick somebody at random.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:08
Vote: No lynch
I haven't seen anything which leads me to believe anybody in particular is mafia and don't want to pick somebody at random.
fos:johnhughthom
Vote:Abstain
I do not know who to vote you.
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:12
fos:johnhughthom
OK, is fos finger of suspicion?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:15
OK, is fos finger of suspicion?
Yes. Why do you think I pointed it at you? I know you know why, I'm just curious if you'll say it.
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:16
it.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:21
it.
Avoiding responding makes it look like you're afraid of what you might reveal.
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:22
I thought everybody was afraid of what they might reveal.
atheotes
05-14-2009, 04:23
Forgive me, friend. For my manners.
After hearing you, I leaned towards No proscription until we can gather more evidence on their guilt.
However rumours says that both Caesarian extreminists and Pomepeiian extremist are killing. And it may become extremely hard to decide who is truly guilty and who is not.
So I suggest voting for anyone who seems slightly suspecious despite the low odds of getting it right.
As Cicero is not speaking up, we have to take initiative our selves. So fellow senators. Please do not feel dishonored if you were chosen. Until your innocence is proven, I offer you my vila in Pompey along with my slaves to guard you :bow:
you say the extremists are killing...and we have low odds of getting the scum.... and still you say we should lynch someone..to me it seems like there is no case against anyone rightnow... so there is a great chance that we might actually help the scum by lynching people (potentially one investigation lesser and one less for the scum to kill).... In this game i think we have a better chance to win if more senators are alive... i understand we can still win after death... but more alive senators = more power to us
Vote: No lynch
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:24
I thought everybody was afraid of what they might reveal.
You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent? No, it's mafia that are afraid of being revealed as guilty.
I know you know why I FoS'd you, so why are you so reluctant to say it? Don't sidestep again...
Sasaki looks reasonably safe as it is now, so Unvote, and Vote:Abstain. First round lynches have little use in the first place.
Just watch, give it a few rounds and I'll be calling for Sasaki's head. :laugh4:
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:27
You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent?
Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?
You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent? No, it's mafia that are afraid of being revealed as guilty.
I know you know why I FoS'd you, so why are you so reluctant to say it? Don't sidestep again...
:shrug:
Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:31
Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?
This is dishonest. First of all, at this stage no one is worried about how we are going to win. Just looking for mafia, you can't tell which faction the person you suspect belongs to. Second, nowhere in the post I fos'd you for do you say anything about factions--and how would you accidentally reveal which faction you are in? I can't even remember mine. So once again, same question as before.
johnhughthom
05-14-2009, 04:34
:shrug:
Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.
It's actually my second. I dropped out of Capo II due to being completely overwhelmed and not having a clue what was happening. And I have no idea why I am under suspicion.
Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?
It doesn't really matters. Even if you belonged to Optimates or the other, does it matter? It doesn't.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-14-2009, 04:44
:shrug:
Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.
FoS:Chaotix
Now, I know you know that I know you know why I FoS'd you...
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