Stainless Steel 6.2 Hotseat - Dogs of War (completed, winner Nightbringer)

[Quirl]

Do you have the current version of Kingdoms? Did you get the hotseat patch? Why did you copy over the contents of 6.2 manually? Why not just install it?

[The Lemongate]

I'd try to help by checking the save game file, but atm all my games are off my PC and I really don't have the time to reinstall until Monday I guess. So if anyone could try to load the Moorish save to see if there's anything strange going on? I can PM the game password for those who don't know it already.

[Zim]

File is Unavailable.


The file you are attempting to download is not currently available on our servers or is being processed. Please try your download in a few minutes.

I'll give it another try later tonight.

[_Tristan_]

Do you have the current version of Kingdoms? Did you get the hotseat patch? Why did you copy over the contents of 6.2 manually? Why not just install it?

Simply because the 6.2 patch that I was directed to didn't install itself but had to be copied/pasted...

Otherwise, my Kingdoms install is updated and I got the hotseat patch...

The problme may originate from the fact that I never installed the Patch 6.2 as it was not available for DL and Lemon pointed me to the Hotseat 6.2 patch which I thought killed two birds with one stone...

So if someone could point me to the patented 6.2 Patch, I'd feel much obliged :bow:

[Quirl]

Here you go:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=302184

[phonicsmonkey]

Can we skip this turn to keep the game moving? Nothing personal Tristan but we're getting really bogged down here - it's been almost two weeks since the save was posted.

[Quirl]

I know I just joined this game (by the way, I switched from England to Novgorod), but I think we should probably skip too. Two weeks is a little... eh.... long...

[SilverShield]

cant zim just sub as he did before?

why switching from England to Novgorod?? Novgorod has been computer ruled all the time they dont matter anyway contrary to England. thats like hiring a babysitter who is taking ur dog for a walk…
so who then is going to take over England now?

[Quirl]

I play mostly for RP. I couldn't think of anything interesting for England at this point. So, I switched to Novgorod.

And I can make Novgorod matter. :)

[Nightbringer]

novgorod!?!?! oh no, this is going to completely $#@% things up for me. well, i guess not neccesarily, but i will have to talk to you Quirl (im Kieven Rus btw)

[Quirl]

novgorod!?!?! oh no, this is going to completely $#@% things up for me. well, i guess not neccesarily, but i will have to talk to you Quirl (im Kieven Rus btw)

Certainly. I've been meaning to contact you. When I have time, I will send you a PM noble neighbor. :)

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I can't skip the turn because the save game file for the Moors is no longer on filefront

LEMON, are you around?

[Quirl]

He said he was having computer problems not too long ago...

... don't know if that still stands.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I just discovered that the turn before the moors (ere) was skipped too - so I've gone back to the previous save and skipped both turns

Sorry rouroux and Tristan, hopefully you'll be around next turn

Now, let's everyone get this game back on track with some momentum!

Seljuks! (http://www.mediafire.com/?mmiycwktka1)

[Quirl]

Sweet! Thanks Phonics!

One question though... what about the Novgorods? Can they be switched to human before their turn comes up (not sure of their position in the current turn order)?

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll do it when my turn comes up.

[Chaotix]

Well, I certainly hope barcamartin shows up to play his turn.... wouldn't it be funny if every single turn had to be skipped because we all went inactive at different times?

[barcamartin]

I'm here, just short on time. Should get to this latest tomorrow evening.

[SilverShield]

I play mostly for RP. I couldn't think of anything interesting for England at this point. So, I switched to Novgorod.


omg... ...


though i like these little imgages u got going on...



what is going to happen to good old mother england then... sigh...

[barcamartin]

Done. Zimzaalabim !! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zymmzlmmfln)

Btw Quirl, most awesome sig, EVER! :D

[Quirl]

Btw Quirl, most awesome sig, EVER! :D

lol. Thanks, man! Not as nationalistic as yours, though. Maybe I'll put an American flag behind it with lyrics from Team America (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI&feature=PlayList&p=3C869ABE1C6D4D56&index=0). :P

[Zim]

Denmark

http://www.mediafire.com/?znhmwiwzdgg

[nicuurs]

I will do my turn as soon as possible, in 24 hours from know at the latest.

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://rapidshare.com/files/351510206/DoW2-16-11.rar) turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

I will get to this in about 24 hours from now

[Quirl]

I'm guessing my turn will come after Nightbringer's?

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm guessing my turn will come after Nightbringer's?

Hope so!

[Quirl]

Sweet. No update on the thread's player list yet, so I wasn't sure.

First turn is always so exciting! :D

[The Lemongate]

Actually I have to grab the save to add players. Just PM me the save and don't post it and I'll do it.

[phonicsmonkey]

Actually I have to grab the save to add players. Just PM me the save and don't post it and I'll do it.

I was going to do that for you old chap, but I'll pm it to you when I'm finished instead.

[SilverShield]

any progress?

[phonicsmonkey]

I sent the save to lemon a couple of days ago - now I'm away for the weekend but if it's still not done when I get back I'll add novgorod myself and post the new save here

[The Lemongate]

Gah! Finally worked. (http://www.filefront.com/15635541/DoW2-16-12a.rar) Screw mediafire x_X

[The Lemongate]

I'd also like to say we've solved our England problem. Rouroux, who is about to be completely routed as the ERE will take on England.

In other news, he also solved his game issues that prevented him from playing!

[SilverShield]

I'd also like to say we've solved our England problem. Rouroux, who is about to be completely routed as the ERE will take on England.


not really sure whether this is good or bad news for england... ... nah just kidding


novgorod next
http://depositfiles.com/files/zlqy8f7mw

[The Lemongate]

Acutally, considering Cultured would've probably wanted to continue the war despite my ceasefire offer, and I know Rouroux will most certainly accept it, I think it's good news for England! Then again, I see it from my side of the Channel >_<

[Quirl]

C'tan Nightbringer!

http://www.mediafire.com/?w5lyxkmlmqm

[rouroux]

Hi everyone!

I am sorry for my long absence. The last few weeks have been a bit hard on me, and my head wasn't to the hotseat. Coupled with the fact that I had computer problems, I felt like I didn't want to bother. But now, wrongs have been righted and computer has been repaired.
Since the Roman empire is nearly gone (even thanks to one of my ex-few-allies :P ), Lemon invited me to play England, since Cultured is gone. I hope that you won't mind too much me replacing a good player and that I be a worthy replacement.

I hope to see you on the battlefield, in fewer numbers than I (of course :P)

[Nightbringer]

papal states up!
http://www.mediafire.com/?tw4nxdmyzmn

[SilverShield]

[...] Cultured would've probably wanted to continue the war despite my ceasefire offer, and I know Rouroux will most certainly accept it [...]

bad news... bad news indeed then...

[TheFlax]

Just got back from work and tried the save, I'm having a weird problem loading it. After inputting a password, I am faced with a game that seems to be in between turns and I don't even have the mouse cursor available. I'm going to try to reinstall everything on my end, but could someone try to load the save and see if its just me? (There isn't a password yet for the Pope, so just about anyone can try.)

Thank you in advance.

[phonicsmonkey]

Just got back from work and tried the save, I'm having a weird problem loading it. After inputting a password, I am faced with a game that seems to be in between turns and I don't even have the mouse cursor available. I'm going to try to reinstall everything on my end, but could someone try to load the save and see if its just me? (There isn't a password yet for the Pope, so just about anyone can try.)

Thank you in advance.

Don't reinstall.

This sounds like the bug you get when you try to save a hotseat game on the mongol turn in BC. Basically you can't play from a save game that was created when it was the mongols' turn, because the mongols are not 'playable' in the desc_strat file. That file is only read when the game is created, so it can't be modded during the game.

The only way we have been able to get around that is by passing the save on the prior turn - but you'd need to know that person's pw in order for that to work, as you'd have to hit end turn for him and play your turn without saving it until you hit end turn and get to the next load screen. It works for us because the faction before the mongols is AI - in this case I don't know if there is an AI turn between the Rus and the Pope that we could use for that..

[TheFlax]

Ok, I haven't reinstalled, but I'm not exactly sure what to do? Is there anything I can do. If its what you think it is Phonics, I don't see very well what I *can* do.

[The Lemongate]

There's Ireland! So we could do the same thing we are doing for WotK, but that means Ireland has to stay alive. I'm not sure if that's a very good long term solution.

[phonicsmonkey]

There's Ireland! So we could do the same thing we are doing for WotK, but that means Ireland has to stay alive. I'm not sure if that's a very good long term solution.

we could use ireland - if england is about to invade and destroy them we'll just make them a vassal of the english and disband all their armies from time to time in case they cause a bother. the english player can keep an eye on them.

if we decide to do this nightbringer needs to dig out his autosave file (which the game creates automatically at the end of his turn just as he hits the end turn button) and pass it to lemon, who can make ireland human-controlled, pass the save to flax who can skip the irish turn and play the papal turn. best get onto nightbringer before he overwrites that autosave file, in order to avoid him having to play his turn again.

ah the joys of running hotseats!

[The Lemongate]

If the English do plan on conquering Ireland, I could also move Ireland to some corner of the map and make sure they survive their (cheating it a little). I doubt either the Rus or the Fatimids are about to reach the furthest reaches of the huge stainless steel map anytime soon.

[Nightbringer]

heres the autosave from the end of my turn. if it ends up that he has to use my password and end my turn that is ok, as long as he doesn't cheat :) , but seeing as we are letting him do this whole pope thing i think we trust him pretty well
http://www.filefront.com/15659325/Autosave.zip

[Quirl]

... but seeing as we are letting him do this whole pope thing i think we trust him pretty well
http://www.filefront.com/15659325/Autosave.zip

I'm not trusting anyone whose pointy hat is bigger than mine. :tongueg:

[Asinus Asini]

What are the rules about the pope, is he going to accept the tribute trick so that catholics can raise their reputation with him? I rather not use that trick, and that we do with the mechanics of the game influenced a bit by Flax to make it more realistic.

[phonicsmonkey]

What are the rules about the pope, is he going to accept the tribute trick so that catholics can raise their reputation with him? I rather not use that trick, and that we do with the mechanics of the game influenced a bit by Flax to make it more realistic.

I suggested that if we use it it would just be to stop the reputation dropping to excommunication levels, if Flax didn't want to excommunicate us.

Be good to have a ruling on this from the GM.

[The Lemongate]

What are the rules about the pope, is he going to accept the tribute trick so that catholics can raise their reputation with him? I rather not use that trick, and that we do with the mechanics of the game influenced a bit by Flax to make it more realistic.

Maybe you're unaware, but giving a tiny tribute to the pope for a very long period of time is actually how papal reputation works at the present. Those are the mechanics of the game. I am currently giving some 100 or 200 florins a turn for the next 10 or 15 turns which is what has kept me from being excommed over the destruction of Aragon and Genoa. Something other Catholics obviously forgot. You can also repeatedly gift map informations. The AI pope will otherwise berzerk on you for the slightest war with another catholic faction.

The choice was:

A) ignoring papal reputation as shown in game in the little papal tab and role-playing it (less randomness, we would've actually known why the pope was acting one way or another, excommunicating someone, etc because it would've been human controlled - the downside being that the game itself might disagree and still excom us, so we would've had to try to skirt the game mechanics handling excommunication ~ something not too hard to manage)

or

B) accepting the in-game papal reputation which is arbitrary and very drastic, and having Flax role-play around it.

We have gone with B) so whatever the little pope-o-meter says in game is what stands.

Since we're already ignoring crusades, I'm not so sure what was the fuss with ignoring excommunications, but hey, the people have spoken.



heres the autosave from the end of my turn. if it ends up that he has to use my password and end my turn that is ok, as long as he doesn't cheat :) , but seeing as we are letting him do this whole pope thing i think we trust him pretty well
http://www.filefront.com/15659325/Autosave.zip

No, he won't load your save, he'll load Ireland. Keeping Ireland in the game somewhere shouldn't be too hard. Worse case scenario, I'll make an arbitrary decision that some out of the way region is off-limits to players and use the console to keep the irish AI alive. The way it'll work is that Nightbring, you'll send the save to Flax when it appears to be Ireland's turn. Flax will enter the admin password, give the AI control of Ireland, which will play its moves and then the Papal loading screen will appear and the turn will be playable. The papal turn is playable as long as no one saves during that turn. It's the same thing with the Mongols in the other hotseat, WotK (I'm playing them, so I know the drill - it just means that turn has to be played in one shot).

[phonicsmonkey]

Since we're already ignoring crusades, I'm not so sure what was the fuss with ignoring excommunications, but hey, the people have spoken.

Just that excoms have happiness penalties, meaning bigger garrisons and lower taxes. I tend to keep taxes as high as possible and garrisons as low as possible, so I'm walking a bit of a tightrope in that respect.

By the way I have nothing against completely RP'ing papal reputation and at the same time leaving just enough of a tribute in place to avoid the in-game excom - but you rule it like you want it, you're the GM.


Flax will enter the admin password, give the AI control of Ireland, which will play its moves and then the Papal loading screen will appear and the turn will be playable.

It could be simpler if you leave Ireland human-controlled and Flax just skips the turn each time. You could do this in WotK too if you like.

[The Lemongate]

Just that excoms have happiness penalties, meaning bigger garrisons and lower taxes. I tend to keep taxes as high as possible and garrisons as low as possible, so I'm walking a bit of a tightrope in that respect.

And not going on crusade may have AI pope excom you or take a heavy penalty to papal relations (as is hanging above my head at the moment).


By the way I have nothing against completely RP'ing papal reputation and at the same time leaving just enough of a tribute in place to avoid the in-game excom - but you rule it like you want it, you're the GM.

That was the initial proposition, and it was rejected by most, as far as I can tell. Actually, I'm not sure everyone understood it 100% and prefered to go with what they knew. Also, not everyone knows Flax.


It could be simpler if you leave Ireland human-controlled and Flax just skips the turn each time. You could do this in WotK too if you like.

Except that the Irish AI is at war with England and is no push-over.




In other news, I'll have the save up and ready by very late tonight or tomorrow morning. Depending on when I have access to the game!

[phonicsmonkey]

And not going on crusade may have AI pope excom you or take a heavy penalty to papal relations (as is hanging above my head at the moment)

Yeeurgh I didn't think of that. Better get my tribute deal back in place then. Could you avoid it by joining / leaving the crusade in the same turn? Is it possible to do that without getting other unfair benefits? (eg. traits / movement etc.)

[Asinus Asini]

I am sure there is a way for Flax to increase relations with people who do what "good catholics" would do. Like accepting the tribute deals and map information deal when a catholic has an army moving towards a crusade and not attacking other catholic factions.

But I am rather new to this game, so don't mind my idea if it does not make sense.

[The Lemongate]

Yeeurgh I didn't think of that. Better get my tribute deal back in place then. Could you avoid it by joining / leaving the crusade in the same turn? Is it possible to do that without getting other unfair benefits? (eg. traits / movement etc.)

Oh you certainly could. And your army would soon disband because you abandoned the crusade. I don't recommand it.


I am sure there is a way for Flax to increase relations with people who do what "good catholics" would do. Like accepting the tribute deals and map information deal when a catholic has an army moving towards a crusade and not attacking other catholic factions.

But I am rather new to this game, so don't mind my idea if it does not make sense.

The Papal AI acts drastically and randomly. Unless "controlled" he will excom a player. It simply is a matter of time. Play a single player campaign and don't tribute him. You will be excommed rather quickly. So wether or not in this specific game the pope is controlled by a player, if you are trying to avoid getting the in-game mechanic of excommunication, you have to either avoid all wars with catholics or pay a small tribute over a long period of time. That is not even in question.


But let's not worry too much over all this. We'll roll with the mechanics of the game, and we'll see how it goes. If major problems do arise, we'll fix them along the way. For now, the in-game Papal meter dictates our relations with the pope. If you are excommed on that meter, you are excommed as far as your relations with your neighbors go. TheFlax, as the papal player has the diplomatic option to reconcile you. What he does not have, is the ability to control who gets excommunicated, unless he starts a war with a player. Which means that, some players might get excommed for little reason (other then game mechanics) and some players who he would like to excom, he'll have to initiate a fight, such as blockading a port. For France, Venice, Sicily and the HRE, and even Spain, its no biggy. England, Hungary and the Danes however, it could take quite some time to run a boat up to you guys.


New Papal save. (http://www.filefront.com/15668575/DoW2-16-14a.rar)

[TheFlax]

England is up! (http://www.mediafire.com/?hmtwotwzzlt)

[Quirl]

I look forward to more activity in the courtroom with this pope thing. That's why I play these games. As it is, I just announced that two factions have merged into one, large faction and only the crickets replied. :P

[phonicsmonkey]

I look forward to more activity in the courtroom with this pope thing. That's why I play these games. As it is, I just announced that two factions have merged into one, large faction and only the crickets replied. :P

well, if other people are like me they might be a bit perplexed about that and not sure how to respond - after all, why would you join a game and immediately give up your faction to a neighbour? if novgorod had stayed AI at least nightbringer would have had to fight for it.

[Quirl]

lol. Why did the Crusaders trade lands with the Ayyubids in LotE? Better to stand together Orthodox, than fight each other in a bloody war and be easy pickings for you crusading Catholics in Europe. :P

Oh, and that wasn't really an encouragement for people to just comment on what I'm doing. I've just noticed the courtroom for DoW is a little slow right now... but that's going on all over the .Org. :\

[phonicsmonkey]

that wasn't meant as criticism by the way

[Quirl]

Sorry. I didn't take it as one. My bad, man. :gring:

[rouroux]

I'm trying to play m turn... but there is a password and I do not have it... someone's got to remove it so that I can play :(

[TheFlax]

I look forward to more activity in the courtroom with this pope thing.

I feel oddly targeted by this... :clown:

I'm working on something to post, but this week hasn't been very good for me. As soon as I get a good feel of what's going on in the game, I'll post. Probably right after the weekend, though don't expect a massive surge in activity just because little old me as Pope envoy has posted. :wink:

[Quirl]

...though don't expect a massive surge in activity just because little old me as Pope envoy has posted. :wink:

I don't know... you could be the Sauron of Popes! Light the courtroom ablaze! ^_^

[TheFlax]

I don't know... you could be the Sauron of Popes! Light the courtroom ablaze! ^_^

Ohhh! You want a crusade on Novgorod? Ok! Got it! :clown:

[The Lemongate]

Let's say I'm a bit perplexed as well by the latest announcements of the Orthodox. And let's just say I have quite a bit of distrust for everything East of the HRE.

[Quirl]

^_^

[The Lemongate]

England is a go! (http://www.filefront.com/15684125/DoW2-17-01a.rar)


In other news, I have written a small AAR to sum up the last few turns as the Franks... but I find it shitty and that's why I'm not posting it x_X

[Quirl]

In other news, I have written a small AAR to sum up the last few turns as the Franks... but I find it shitty and that's why I'm not posting it x_X

Ha! Oh... come on. We aren't writing dissertations here. :D

[rouroux]

Franks are up! (http://rapidshare.com/files/356002630/DoW2-17-02.sav.html)

I will post the new coming of my new diplomat tomorrow!!

[phonicsmonkey]

And let's just say I have quite a bit of distrust for everything East of the HRE.

Hey, there's Catholics over here too!

[Nightbringer]

i dont see what is so odd about the merger, historically they did start as one entity and its not like im taking all of his territories, or dictating his every move. im hoping it will actually make ruling a large faction more interesting as it will better reflect the lack of perfect coordination, chain of command difficulties, etc...

[The Lemongate]

Hey, there's Catholics over here too!

I know =P


i dont see what is so odd about the merger, historically they did start as one entity and its not like im taking all of his territories, or dictating his every move. im hoping it will actually make ruling a large faction more interesting as it will better reflect the lack of perfect coordination, chain of command difficulties, etc...

Oh, OOC it's not strange at all. But IC, it is a well known fact that the east is full of heathen, barbarians and schismatics =P

[Quirl]

Barbarians? Why, not in this game. I only deserve such a title as the slithering Qara-Suu in LotE, sir. :nice:

[phonicsmonkey]

Flax your pms are full

[The Lemongate]

HRE!!! (http://www.filefront.com/15690253/DoW2-17-03.rar)

[Asinus Asini]

Venice (http://www.filefront.com/15690759/DoW2-17-04.rar)!

[Chaotix]

Sicily's up. (http://www.filefront.com/15692755/DoW2-17-05.zip)

[TheFlax]

Flax your pms are full

Fixed. sorry.

[Balthor]

Greetings,

I just saw my turn is up. I can do it at night.

*salute*

[Balthor]

Hello,

I am not sure who is playing it but Moors (http://rapidshare.com/files/357656103/DoW2-17-06.rar.html) are next. Please forward this link to him.

*salute*

[The Lemongate]

How the f*$% do I manage to get everyone to gang up against me in every game I get into??? It is incredibly frustrating...

[phonicsmonkey]

How the f*$% do I manage to get everyone to gang up against me in every game I get into??? It is incredibly frustrating...

Just because we're not all with you doesn't mean we're all against you old chap!

[Quirl]

How the f*$% do I manage to get everyone to gang up against me...

Personally, when I see a gang bang I just can't resist...

... but perhaps I say too much. :tongueg:

Is this about the courtroom? You seem to be doing well there.

[SilverShield]

I am getting the feeling this slightly is not going as I intended it... so just to clarify things here… This is nothing against you as a person its about this match only.

Also no one here is ganging up against you. The opposite is true. Everyone is coming up rallying behind you.
I dont know about any other matches you are in but in this particular one no one is ganging up against you for sure.


Some further clarification:


As for Burgos... nothing happened which is fine with me I am just saying…


As for my war against the Moors... it wasnt that foolish as it appears to you.

My chances to actually be victorious were pretty good in the beginning:

I had the moment of surprise on my side.

I attacked the Moors when Ramses still was their ruler.
He surly is a great guy but he appeared to me as a weak leader. The fact that Spain still was in descent shape was kinda odd. This is nothing personal against Ramses. It was just my impression at this time though that I had a chance to beat him so I took it. As I said he surly is a great guy and he maybe even would have crushed me who knows.
What I certainly do know is that he would have lost the battle for Murcia no matter what. Only Merlox could achieve this victory…

My army was big enough to fight back any attempt to relieve the city. Any attempt… not cheating or lets say exploiting bugs… Without Merlox exploiting the thing I d like to call a siege bug he would have stood no chance. I know Ramses would have played fair and Murcia then would have been mine and this whole match would have developed 180° opposite. Yeah sure I should have seen it coming but I just didnt expect Merlox to take over. True, its just a computer game but I dont like to lose no matter whether its a real life match or just something like this game here.

After all, attacking the Moors surly wasnt a suicide mission at this time. Right now its about life or death I give you that but lets see how things will develop.


As for a possible French invasion of Spain…

After cheating Merlox left you are the power that should be worried about the most now and you are expanding!

You did not react to my last role playing letters which left me with the impression you are cutting off diplomatic relations. Whats always the last step to war? Right! So either you were just disrespecting me by not responding to my letter or you were doing it the Thai way which in this case means you are preparing for war.

Your offering of assistance 3 turns back did not result in any helpful action. Turned out for me to be nothing but appeasement policy.

Your priests aka spies were already patrolling my territories.

But the main point is that you did attack Cultured for no reason but to expand your power!

And dont bother with this role playing argumentation :daisy:. Lets forget about this role playing argumentation of godly missions and liberating Christendom for a while. Unless someone here is a truly deeply religious person no one here acts out of religious motives.
You attacked England to expand your power which is absolutely fine coz thats what its all about here. But exactly that fact leaves me with the impression that Spain is going to be next simply for the same reason. Power! Its all about power in the first place.


Phonics one day told me that some people play this for the fun of role playing only which is fine with me. But everyone should except that other people, which would be me, are spending their precious time on this for other reasons: Competition, Strategy, People or lets say psychology in general…

So just trust me when I say – and I am sure its the same here with most of you guys – that none of my/ your action is random. There is always reason behind it no matter how foolish it might appear. Even the time I invest in this peace of art of writing right now instead of hanging around at the beach catching some waves is in the pursuit of something…
Actually the result of my action might not always be as I expected or wanted it to turn out – in fact I didnt expect Lemon to somehow get the feeling that “hotseats suck” and that he shouldnt bother or get frustrated about it or what else (I am sure this was just an impulsive reaction to lots of shit that happened on this day in real life and the Spanish firestorm just added to this and somehow was the final straw) – as I said that clearly wasnt my intention but its always the unexpected things that teach us lessons and let us learn about this or that or him or her… looks like my analysis of him wasnt as good as I thought… or maybe he is just even better at playing mind games than me… who knows…

Lots of talking but I want to explain my action to a degree it wont reveal too much while at the same time making sure you dont take this personal.


We got a saying here in Cape Town:

Kragtig geboomte vang baie hys...

Tall trees catch a lot of wind…

Des arbres hautes attraper becaucoup de vent….


Easy as that, aint it?!?!

[Quirl]

Maybe matters such as these should be handled via private messaging...

[TheFlax]

Assuming Lemongate is serious, we need to step up is this hotseat is going to survive. Luckily, I know the password to logon into the console, so we just need someone to assume the GM role and things should go smoothly. Personally, I could do it (if you guys decide to trust me) but I don't know most of the necessary commands.

We also need to address the issue of who will play the Franks and I'm not even sure we have a player for the Moors? (Wasn't Tristan unable to play the last turn due to install problems?).

[Quirl]

I'm curious what the others think. Is there even a general consensus that this hotseat should continue?

If so, I would certainly trust you, Flax, to be the new GM. :)

[phonicsmonkey]

It sucks that Lemon is leaving. I'm sure it has more to do with something going on in RL than anything that has happened in this or any other game. i hope he comes back.

In the meantime if we can find another player for France we should try to push on here - we're a good few turns in and we have a core of reliable players.

Flax, I can act as backup to you if you want to be GM - I know all the console commands you'll need to know, and I have the admin pw too.

PS. Does anyone here want to take over as the Mongols or Rajputs in WotK? Lemon was playing both factions.

[Quirl]

I'd be willing to switch to France. It's not my first choice, however. I'd prefer the Moors were I to switch at all...

... time to change my sig again. :\

[Nightbringer]

well, i would be sad to lose my blue guard, but i want this game to go on whatever must be done. I would be fine with Flax taking over GMing, and hopefulyl some1 will be interested in taking the franks, otherwise, well, the show must go on!
i'm definitely sorry to see lemon leave though

[Balthor]

Ok, I had to search around to find the Lemon message.

I guess I could take France too if needed. I am not sure how the mediterran will be with another power vacum.

Al-Quds ---> I see your fleet near Cirenaica, come any closer and these peace talks are over.

[Quirl]

It's cool Balthor. You know what... I actually wouldn't mind playing the French. I could make it... eh... something new and interesting for myself. :)

Send me the Frenchy's save file next and wipe their password, please Flax. Sorry Nightbringer the whole united Rus thing won't work exactly how we planned. :\ I was looking forward to being your "Blue Guard," too. Oh well, you and the A.I. are still allies... maybe it's an alliance that can still prosper... maybe... :P

[TheFlax]

Sultanate of Konya (http://www.mediafire.com/?lmz0hmlwntn)

I've reverted the Moors to AI control until we can find someone to play them.

[phonicsmonkey]

I've reverted the Moors to AI control until we can find someone to play them.

Now watch SilverShield crush them in about 3 turns! :laugh4:

[TheFlax]

Now watch SilverShield crush them in about 3 turns! :laugh4:

Waiting for a player or skipping the turn didn't seem like much better choices. What living factions are missing players? Moors and the Rus, right?

[phonicsmonkey]

Waiting for a player or skipping the turn didn't seem like much better choices. What living factions are missing players? Moors and the Rus, right?

Fair enough mate - but if we think we can get a player then Zim might sub for them for a few turns...

It's Moors and Novgorod actually (Nightbringer is the Rus). But Novgorod has only been human for one turn so there's not much lost there (no offence Quirl!).

I did pm Tristan yesterday to see if he's still in the game but with no response - I assume he is not.

[TheFlax]

Fair enough mate - but if we think we can get a player then Zim might sub for them for a few turns...

Good idea, I'll post in the recruitement thread and PM Zim. Thanks.

[Quirl]

It's Moors and Novgorod actually (Nightbringer is the Rus). But Novgorod has only been human for one turn so there's not much lost there (no offence Quirl!).

Whateva'. I was gonna bring it as Novgorod. :tongueg:

By the way, are France and Spain at war or something? Anyone know France's position?

[Nightbringer]

sigh, it seems the princes of novgorod are rebelling yet again. this time i think a more permenant solution will have to be found

[phonicsmonkey]

sigh, it seems the princes of novgorod are rebelling yet again. this time i think a more permenant solution will have to be found

LOL

Quirl I don't think anybody knew the real position of the inscrutable King of France - except to say he was apparently planning to march a bunch of his armies all the way to Jerusalem.

[Quirl]

Jerusalem? F that. I have a feeling I'm going to have to kill Phillipe off or something to end that crusader fever...

And Novgorod will still be "Kieven Rus (Sinii Druzhina)" in name. Maybe, if there is war between them and Kiev, it will just be the rough transition of the Sinii Druzhina back into the fold of the Kieven Rus--not that it matters tons, I guess... I just drew up a history for those guys and everything, and am sad to see it come to such a silly end as "jk, nevermind. We're rebelling again." were it not RPed properly. :P

[phonicsmonkey]

I just drew up a history for those guys and everything....

That's what I like about you Quirl - you don't do things by halves.

[Quirl]

Ha! Yeahhhhh... *blush*

I think all the AARs and images I make give the impression that I have more free time than I really do. :gring:

I think I just have an obsessive personality, honestly. :blush:

[SilverShield]

ah man what can i say... havent felt this bad for a while… sucks ass… but show must go on… as always… doesnt it…

im fine with our new host and anything u guys decide on whos going to take over france.

i d take over as mongols if u want to. they are evil by nature too… perfect match then i guess… i promise to not post anything but the save…

[Quirl]

Nah, Silver, don't blame yourself. I was talking with Lemon a good amount before he left and he just sounded real busy. I think he was just in a stressful situation with school and friends, and these hotseats were just one more thing for him. Hope he gets his stuff worked out, but certainly don't blame yourself, man. :)

Anywho, we're neighbors now, so got any idea what I'll be taking over as the Franks?

Oh, and Phonics, I can see your awards again! :D

[Nightbringer]

I think what I'm going to try doing is having my forces be the sinii druzhina. the princes of novgorod have reneged on their promises of fealty and are having to be brought into line forcefully by the rus blue guard or something like that. feel free to throw in some role-playing or advice or anything if you want to.

[SilverShield]

Nah, Silver, don't blame yourself. I was talking with Lemon a good amount before he left and he just sounded real busy. I think he was just in a stressful situation with school and friends, and these hotseats were just one more thing for him. Hope he gets his stuff worked out, but certainly don't blame yourself, man. :)

Anywho, we're neighbors now, so got any idea what I'll be taking over as the Franks?

Oh, and Phonics, I can see your awards again! :D


thanks man... so yea true... he surly had some serious stuff going in real life he had to take care of but still this post must have somehow triggered this decision and this simply sucks.
i mean when you read this post in the court room and the one in this thread and see that he even changed his signature u really can feel the frustration speaking out of him about this whole thing and about people/ me and how they dont really appreciate him and what he was doing and then even mess around with him as if he was :daisy: this whole thing up… ...just feels bad… so im actually glad he posted this message where he declared he is leaving coz if u read this u can almost feel that he now released himself like ah alright its over…whatever…had fun but thats it…take care u guys im outta here… but still…since it wasnt my intention that things develop like that this leaves a bitter feeling down there in me… its like when u mess around with a girls feeling coz u think she is :daisy: anyway so screw her and then find out that she actually wasnt that kind of a :daisy: at all and u realise u just ruined a good girl again… that just sucks… and the fact that exactly that just happened lately makes it even worse… so now somehow being responsible for him leaving feels a bit like that and adds to this feeling… but thats life… gotta move on… though this thing surly will get another special place in my trophy room of peoples lifes i :daisy: up or in this case at least somehow made worse…putting even more weight on the left side of the scale which says Tristan you are :daisy: going down… see u in hell :daisy:…

…whatever… its over… gotta move on…


as for the the franks… all things considered i guess u ll take over the strongest faction. and we aint at war with each other.



ah so what about the mongols Phonics?

[Quirl]

Since Lemon left, I'm also looking for a Sindh player in my BC 2.02 hotseat. Their smaller in terms of territory, but they have a good amount of armies and money since, while they were on A.I., the game funneled both to them. Anyone here interested in them? You'd be helping us out. :D

Here's our game thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?122368-Broken-Crescent-2.02-Hotseat-Lords-of-the-East).

[Zim]

I can sub the Moors for a few turns, although it'd be nice to have a permanant player for them eventually. Oy maybe I'm just saying that because I don't neccessarily want a European faction as my neighbor. :clown:

[rouroux]

Wow... I can already smell the holy frangrance of englishmen soup :P

As a side note, Quirl, if you ever need ideas as to how a few french words are written, let me know (french is my first language)
As a preview: it should not have been written "bonjour un amies" but "bonjour mes amis" (also, adding the "e" at the end of the word "ami" makes it look like you are speaking to a bunch of girls... or maybe that is what you intended :P)

[Quirl]

He he. Great. This won't be like my Caliphate Mamluks... now I have to be accountable to the language. :P

Oh well. I think Jean Bon (you get the name?) is eccentric enough that he doesn't have to say everything quite right. ^_^

Thanks though.

[Zim]

I'll get both turns tomorrow.

[barcamartin]

I take that as you'll be subbing me? In that case, thanks alot mate, was just going to ask you to.

[Zim]

Actually, I was thinking it was still the Moors' turn and that I was after them. :dizzy2: I can sub the Seljuks if needed. Just pm me any special instructions. :yes:


I take that as you'll be subbing me? In that case, thanks alot mate, was just going to ask you to.

[TheFlax]

I'm giving an extra 24h for the Seljuk turn, at Zim's request. Hopefully after that we can move at a timely pace. :yes:

[barcamartin]

Zim's request, my fault. Apologies!

[Zim]

One turn down, one to go.

[Zim]

Denmark.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/nvqibyzwj1i/DoW2-17-09.zip

Still willing to sign that ceasefire any time Sicily. You'll need to send a diplomat, though, the one I sent died somehow. :beam:

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://rapidshare.com/files/362482973/DoW2-17-10.rar) turn.

Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

Castille (http://www.mediafire.com/?m1dkycu1jjn)

[SilverShield]

not quite sure who is next. i think its u Quirl still as novgorod though. dont know whether they ll be turned to the computer or whether u are going to do this turn

http://depositfiles.com/files/6lufzyxyg

[Quirl]

Ooh. That's right. GM, as much as I'll miss my short-lived Sinii Druzhina, please switch Novgorod back to A.I. :(

While you're at it, might as well clear the password for the Franks, too... so I can begin playing them next turn. :)

[TheFlax]

Kievan Rus (http://www.mediafire.com/?kyjtfilzryt).

Russia is in AI control now and the password of France has been cleared.

[Nightbringer]

umm, my password got changed. i have no idea how, but it isnt working. i know i am trying the right one. i dont think anyone cheated or anything, im just asking if it can be reset so i can play my turn :)
thanks!

[Nightbringer]

umm, my password got changed. i have no idea how, but it isnt working. i know i am trying the right one. i dont think anyone cheated or anything, im just asking if it can be reset so i can play my turn :)
thanks!

[TheFlax]

Kievan Rus (http://www.mediafire.com/?zdrm11om2jz) with password cleared.

[Nightbringer]

alright, thanks man
papal states up
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5D1267JK

does anyone know how to delete attachments on twcenter

[TheFlax]

England (http://www.mediafire.com/?ktiyyznnm0z)

I've switched the Papal States back to AI for two reasons. One is the fact that I have to thinker with a few commands every time to play them, the second is that as it is, the Papal States don't have much relevance, seeing as there are more important factions to be played.

I'm thinking of filling up the void by taking control of the Moors, if that's okay with everyone. Or maybe another less important faction would be better? I'd also be okay with simply being GM and not playing a faction.

Edit: See below.

[phonicsmonkey]

England (http://www.mediafire.com/?ktiyyznnm0z)

I've switched the Papal States back to AI for two reasons. One is the fact that I have to thinker with a few commands every time to play them, the second is that as it is, the Papal States don't have much relevance, seeing as there are more important factions to be played.

I'm thinking of filling up the void by taking control of the Moors, if that's okay with everyone. Or maybe another less important faction would be better? I'd also be okay with simply being GM and not playing a faction.

I think it's a great idea for you to play the Moors. As you say we are not blessed with an abundance of committed players and the Moors are an important faction that needs to be filled.

I think it's fine for the GM to play a faction as long as that person knows how to manage conflicts of interest - and Flax I have the utmost respect for your objectivity and sense of fairness.

[TheFlax]

England (http://www.mediafire.com/?tywnlvqwhdo).

Ok, I've switched the Moors to human control. Don't go too hard on me SilverShield, I'm a pretty weak player. :wink:

[rouroux]

Franks! (http://rapidshare.com/files/365197930/Dow2-18-Franks.sav.html)

It seems Cultured left me an England at war with both Irish and Scotts... bad new indeed!

[SilverShield]

England (http://www.mediafire.com/?tywnlvqwhdo).

Ok, I've switched the Moors to human control. Don't go too hard on me SilverShield, I'm a pretty weak player. :wink:

ah man not again. the last time someone took over the moors when i was about to make my move it ended up in a disaster for me. taking me all the time to recover and now that i get started again… just wait another turn before u switch. nah just kidding. its cool u are taking over. fighting a computer is not the same.

[Quirl]

Sorry it took a bit. Had to slaughter some rebels and have been busy today. Also, please remember to PM me. :)

HRE!
http://www.mediafire.com/?nytxoyvl2oz

[Asinus Asini]

Venice is up! (http://www.mediafire.com/?d4rnhndycyz)

[TheFlax]

Since things were taking too much time (Asinus Asini's save is still on the HRE turn) I cleared the HRE's password and ended the turn.

Venice (http://www.mediafire.com/?grjwmmhdwir)

Apologies to everyone for the delay.

[Chaotix]

Thanks for that, TheFlax.

Sicily (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5191) is up, finally.

[Quirl]

Flax... this is a little embarrassing, but... can I have your Avatar's phone number? ^_^

[TheFlax]

Flax... this is a little embarrassing, but... can I have your Avatar's phone number? ^_^

:laugh4:

I'm sorry, I have to decline. Your Avatar will just scare her off. :wink:

Edit: Just noticed the banner. Very awesome! :yes:

[Quirl]

Aw. :sadg:

Well, thanks for the compliment on the signature. I joined the dedicated BC team not too long ago and am finally putting those Graphics Design skills to use outside of random hotseat AARS. :tongue:

[Beefy187]

Flax... this is a little embarrassing, but... can I have your Avatar's phone number? ^_^

Careful buddy, I'm watching you :curtain:

:clown:

[Quirl]

:clown:

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Moors (http://rapidshare.com/files/368582147/DoW2-18-Moors.rar.html) next. Who is handling that?

*salute*

((We are using that fleets can be attacked at port?))

[TheFlax]

Greetings,

Moors (http://rapidshare.com/files/368582147/DoW2-18-Moors.rar.html) next. Who is handling that?

*salute*

((We are using that fleets can be attacked at port?))

That would be me, I'll get the turn done tomorrow.

As for your question, IIRC, no we don't, unless the fleet comes out to reinforce another fleet, but that's a whole other thing anyways.

[TheFlax]

Sultanate of Konya (http://www.mediafire.com/?qndgovwtnej)

Message of peace sent to Spain, I'm pretty busy this weekend but I'll get around to posting a message in the Council thread ASAP.

[phonicsmonkey]

barca is away skiing for a week - someone Islamic should sub for him...

[TheFlax]

barca is away skiing for a week - someone Islamic should sub for him...

Right, I'll PM Zim. Had forgotten about that.

[Zim]

One turn (Seljuk's) done, one to go.

[Zim]

Denmark's up. Ceasefire offered to Sicily again, one of their ships sunk (they did blockade a port of mine, however).

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5194

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://rapidshare.com/files/370885181/DoW2-18-hungary.rar) turn. Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

awesome, I think I can do this before we leave...I'll post back here if not

[phonicsmonkey]

Castille (http://www.mediafire.com/?dixx23dzzrz)

[SilverShield]

kiev next!
http://depositfiles.com/files/s2hlh4k0o

as hopefully no one of u is looking for eggs but bunnies only - happy easter!

[rouroux]

Hey! I'll be out this weekend, be back monday. Only Kiev and Pope left before my next turn. Don't sub me plz :P

[Nightbringer]

england up!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TOWOWCFD

[rouroux]

Franks are up! (http://rapidshare.com/files/372330473/Dow2-19-Franks.sav.html)

[Quirl]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I've asked Asani to sub ('cos we're allies, right?--I don't remember). If he can't maybe Phonics can?

Anyways, I'm trying to find someone to eventually replace me in this hotseat. I'm already involved in two other rather exciting ones and the this one is a bit too slow for me (though I know I'm just as guilty of that this turn. :P).

Anywho, should be up shortly. Will be up before the day is over...

[Asinus Asini]

I can sub your turn if you want. I'll do both turns one after the other.

[Asinus Asini]

Venice! (http://rapidshare.com/files/374352524/Dow2-19-Venice.sav.html)

[Chaotix]

Sicily's turn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5196) is up.

[TheFlax]

Sorry for not being very present, I'm a bit busy at the moment and things seemed to go along nicely here.

[SilverShield]

yea i guess so but u still have to decide upon whether there should be peace or an ongoing of this terrible war in spain. see court room

[TheFlax]

yea i guess so but u still have to decide upon whether there should be peace or an ongoing of this terrible war in spain. see court room

I will, I don't want to agree to anything until I see the save again. That's just common sense.

[Quirl]

War... HUH... HAH... What is it good for?

[SilverShield]

I will, I don't want to agree to anything until I see the save again. That's just common sense.

fair enough i just wanted to make sure u acutally realising the proposal

ah and war... what is it good for? im going to quote my father: "war makes men" ...thats the family i grow up in. any questions? lol actually he took me to a lot of field days when i was younger. and always told me how great this brotherhood of soldiers is. im just glad the war in angola was over otherwise he surly would have loved to show his son the "greatness of war"...

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Sorry the delay. Computer problems.
Moors (http://rapidshare.com/files/376169954/DoW2-19-Moors.rar.html) are up.

*salute*

[TheFlax]

Hello everyone,

First off, I'm sorry about the time I took without saying anything, I've been pretty busy and unable to do my turn.

Which brings me to my real problem. I've been struggling lately to play SS since a myriad of problems are cropping up. Now, I've tried reinstalling my steam version of the game, but it doesn't change anything. I don't have access to my CDs because they are already packed in a box. You see, I'm moving soonish to my own place so this comes at a very bad time to happen.

Long story short, you'll need someone else to step up to the plate for this hotseat for the next few weeks at least, though I'd be more than happy to completely relinquish my position. This also means, I won't be able to play the Moors for that time.

Again, apologies.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, when I get home later I'll skip this turn and we'll see if someone can sub the next few until Flax lets us know whether he is staying or not.

Flax, can you do me a favour and make sure Silvershield has a response to his diplomatic question so he and your sub know how to play the next few turns? Maybe you could send me a pm if you don't want to make a public announcement.

I'll also take over as GM and make sure the game keeps moving. I'm going to be stricter with the turn deadlines! Let's get this one rolling people!

[TheFlax]

I don't want to hold this game up phonics, but if you want the moors to be viable for a player someone has to sub them. The one turn I placed them undo AI control pretty much wrecked all their positions and with Spain attacking, I think this turn is pretty important.

[Quirl]

Subbed.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zm4jqmm1nvm

[SilverShield]

so u did the moors turn obviously. so... peace/ war? someone put me in the picture? or is this supposed to be a surprise surprise sort of thing?

[Quirl]

I was instructed to war with you, Silver. Sorry. Looks like no peace today. :(

[barcamartin]

So, this one was mine. Thanks for being clear on that,. Quirl, you miserable ******* *** ** * *****! ;D

Thanks for the note, Asinus. :)

Will give this prio 1, since it's waited longer. ;P

[Quirl]

MWAHAHAHAHAAA!!

[barcamartin]

Quds! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ligjzw3yyvv)

And btw, am I the only completely having lost interest in this hotseat? Can't even remember what I was doing, nor any good reasons to do anything. ;P

[Quirl]

Meh. Same here. I've been trying to find someone FOREVER who will replace me. Any takers?!!

[phonicsmonkey]

I think that this mod, while wonderful for long, immersive SP campaigns, doesn't work that well for hotseats.

Everything seems to happen so slowly! Movement rates are slow, build rates are slow, there are limits on the number of spies you can have (what's with that?!)..plus we have elected to fight battles, which makes each turn takes ages if you are at war.

This, combined with the slow turn rate (just compare with LotE which has been going for six less months and has surpassed this game in the number of turns played) has made this a bit of a grind at times.

But stick with it! I'm going to speed this game up (by strictly enforcing turn deadlines) and if we all take a few moments to think about our next move and get on with whatever long-term plans we have it'll start getting interesting really soon.

[Zim]

Bah, didn't get a pm. I'll get it done right away.

I have to admit feeling that way about more than one of the hotseats I'm in, although I'm sure it's in large part because things are busy and stressful at home and work right now. The slow movement rates (aside from ships) and penalties for armies in the field do slow things down a lot, especially as turns aren't super fast in hotseats. I guess that's one likely unintended advantage of the high move rates in BC.

As far as battles, I don't think they can compare in this game to WOTK right now for needed investment of time. :clown:

Denmark's up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5210

[barcamartin]

Agree with all above. Sorry about the PM Zim, knew I'd forgotten something. ;P

[Quirl]

All of KK's mods are slow. Have you tried his LoTR mod? I don't even play that in single player unless I've modified the movement points. :\

[Zim]

Don't worry about it. I just did the same thing. :laugh4:

Pming Denmark right now.


Agree with all above. Sorry about the PM Zim, knew I'd forgotten something. ;P

[SilverShield]

well im fine with the version of the game we got going on. the special stuff like the supply thing and the agent limit bear more of a challenge keeping u thinking about ur next move harder and making it more exciting.
true its not that fast as the lords of the east match but compared to some at the total war center where the probably due to exams hence quite understandably absence of Triforce caused a total non activity of more than five days again we are still doing pretty good with this one here considering that there are also more people on this one than lords of the east. and since those matches are just a nice little thing adding to life in general im fine with some time passing by before its my turn again. i still get fun out of this match.

i mean its like in real life. its on everyone himself to make it matter. if one doesnt get a kick out of it it s time to make some changes and turn up the heat. so speaking of this match there are two powerful muslim empires in the east! form a coalition! pack some heat! make it matter! im sure hungary and kiev wont mind some challenge and action. once again its like in real life. unless there are some rouges around life is boring. so someone has to step up and take over the role of the rouge. we need some aggressiveness, some fighting spirit, some mad joy of war, will to conquer… whatever just step it up. u guys can full file this role even if it is out of ur character personally. i mean u are experienced players so why not come up with a new caliphate aiming at liberating europe and expanding islam once again and once and for all.

[phonicsmonkey]

why not come up with a new caliphate aiming at liberating europe and expanding islam once again and once and for all.

Shhh!

[Quirl]

why not come up with a new caliphate aiming at liberating europe and expanding islam once again and once and for all.

'Cos a Mongol horde will come along and crush it all. -_-

[Asinus Asini]

Well one thing that could maybe help speed up things, is to not forget to pm the player who is after you.

Also, just an idea like that, we could also have someone volunteer to send a pm just in case a player did not and there was a lag in the turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

Well one thing that could maybe help speed up things, is to not forget to pm the player who is after you.

Also, just an idea like that, we could also have someone volunteer to send a pm just in case a player did not and there was a lag in the turn.

Yes everyone please remember to send a PM to the next guy in line.

However, everyone also remember that as a player in this game it is your responsibility to ensure that your turn is played within 48 hours of the save being posted in this thread, PM or no PM.

So please keep an eye on this thread and make sure you are aware of when your turn is coming up so that you don't miss the deadline.

There will be no more lags in the turns because I am going to strictly apply the 48 hour deadline and skip turns where the deadline is missed. This game needs to pick up momentum or it will die.

EDIT: I will still consider extensions if people contact me before the deadline is up and tell me when they will have the save posted.

[Nightbringer]

well im fine with the version of the game we got going on. the special stuff like the supply thing and the agent limit bear more of a challenge keeping u thinking about ur next move harder and making it more exciting.
true its not that fast as the lords of the east match but compared to some at the total war center where the probably due to exams hence quite understandably absence of Triforce caused a total non activity of more than five days again we are still doing pretty good with this one here considering that there are also more people on this one than lords of the east. and since those matches are just a nice little thing adding to life in general im fine with some time passing by before its my turn again. i still get fun out of this match.

i mean its like in real life. its on everyone himself to make it matter. if one doesnt get a kick out of it it s time to make some changes and turn up the heat. so speaking of this match there are two powerful muslim empires in the east! form a coalition! pack some heat! make it matter! im sure hungary and kiev wont mind some challenge and action. once again its like in real life. unless there are some rouges around life is boring. so someone has to step up and take over the role of the rouge. we need some aggressiveness, some fighting spirit, some mad joy of war, will to conquer… whatever just step it up. u guys can full file this role even if it is out of ur character personally. i mean u are experienced players so why not come up with a new caliphate aiming at liberating europe and expanding islam once again and once and for all.

kiev doesnt want a fight with anyone, we are busy uniting the rus empire! XD

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://rapidshare.com/files/378935494/DoW2-19-Hungary.rar) turn.

Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

Castille (http://www.mediafire.com/?ttnmxymjzt2)

[SilverShield]

nice work there on the catapult shop, the port and the garrision quarter...

kiev next
http://depositfiles.com/files/xafutxz4z

[Nightbringer]

england up!
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EFW23A0O

[Chaotix]

Has rouroux been PM'ed? His time is about up...

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry I should have skipped this turn yesterday but we had people over and I forgot. If rouroux hasn't posted by the time I get home later I'll move it along.

[rouroux]

sorry for the wait.
I'll have it posted by tomorrow evening.
If you can't wait, can't be helped.

[Nightbringer]

ya, i pmed him right when i posted it

[phonicsmonkey]

France (http://www.mediafire.com/?j14miczwi2d)

Sorry roux, but I did say I was going to be stricter and I'm not sure what timezone you're in so I don't know how far away 'tomorrow evening' actually is.

[Balthor]

Hmmm, I turned on the option to mail me when there´s a private message here. So even if the turn gets me at weekend I will know.

*salute*

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's been suggested that I take over as France.

I am installing SS 6.2 with the hotseat patch now. Fair warning, I've had virus issues because some of these patches were apparently bundled with viruses or something. Major bummer there. I've also had prior difficulties opening up other people's save files and then crashing to desktop immediately, so don't get your hopes up.



1. Kingdom of England (rouroux)
2. Kingdom of France (The Lemongate)
3. The Holy Roman Empire (Asinus Asini)
4. Republic of Venice (Chaotix)
5. Kingdom of Sicily (Balthor)
6. Moorish Caliphate (Tristan de Castelreng)
7. Seljuk Sultanate (barcamartin)
8. Fatimid Caliphate (Zim)
9. Kingdom of Denmark (nicuurs)
10. Kingdom of Hungary (phonicsmonkey)
11. Crown of Castile (SilverShield)
12. Republic of Novgorod (Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak)
13. Kievan Rus (Nightbringer)
14. Papal States (TheFlax)

Can someone update this list for me so I know who is who?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Success.

I was able to install the game properly... somehow... and open a save file.

I understand France needs a player. I would prefer to play as France.

[Quirl]

Yay! Finally found a replacement player for me! Welcome to the game, man! :beam:

Let me know if you want the password or not... or is there a way we can switch off France's password right now. I'm at work and can't get to it now... plus, I'd rather keep my passwords secret if I could. ;D

[phonicsmonkey]

Welcome to the game Askthepizzaguy! I am planning to move the game along in about 8 hours so you have that long to play your first turn or request an extension (please let me know the precise ETA in that case).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Welcome to the game Askthepizzaguy! I am planning to move the game along in about 8 hours so you have that long to play your first turn or request an extension (please let me know the precise ETA in that case).

I would request both the password to the French and a 24 hour extension.

I would also request that no nation attacks the French for 1 turn, so I can get acclimated to the game.

[Chaotix]

Oh, no. ATPG in this game means I have maybe 5 more turns to live at best. :laugh4:

Who will Quirl be playing now? Back to Novgorod, or someone different?

[Quirl]

No. I'm dropping the game. I'm busy and if I can afford to drop just one more hotseat, it will provide some nice peace of mind. :)

Although it's been short, it's also been fun. May we truly hotseat in the future...

Go ATPG!
http://www.mediafire.com/?2ywyltlq4vd

[phonicsmonkey]

I would request both the password to the French and a 24 hour extension.

Extension granted. I believe Quirl has posted a new link for you so you can go ahead and set your own password.


I would also request that no nation attacks the French for 1 turn, so I can get acclimated to the game.

Given that no-one has attacked the French for 20 turns so far, this should be fine! Everyone please respect this amnesty for the French.

I can't update the player list in the first post, but here is the current list of players:

1. Kingdom of England (rouroux)
2. Kingdom of France (Askthepizzaguy)
3. The Holy Roman Empire (Asinus Asini)
4. Republic of Venice (Chaotix)
5. Kingdom of Sicily (Balthor)
6. Moorish Caliphate (TheFlax)
7. Seljuk Sultanate (barcamartin)
8. Fatimid Caliphate (Zim)
9. Kingdom of Denmark (nicuurs)
10. Kingdom of Hungary (phonicsmonkey)
11. Crown of Castile (SilverShield)
12. Kievan Rus (Nightbringer)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, no. ATPG in this game means I have maybe 5 more turns to live at best. :laugh4:

I wouldn't worry too much about me. I haven't played in forever and I intend to ease back into it.

[rouroux]

I'm going to drop the game too... I getting pretty busy and haven't been the most punctual and active player. At least won't be making you guys wait anymore :P

Thank you for this good game, it's been fun. I hope you'll forgive me for leaving like that.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm going to drop the game too... I getting pretty busy and haven't been the most punctual and active player. At least won't be making you guys wait anymore :P

Thank you for this good game, it's been fun. I hope you'll forgive me for leaving like that.

I'm sorry to hear that, will you reconsider? And I hope it's not just because I skipped your turn. If your mind is made up it'd be great if, like Quirl, you could help us find a replacement...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have made a "hello (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117451-French-King-s-Court-SS6.2-Hotseat-Council-Thread&p=2479917#post2479917)" post in the diplomacy thread. Enjoy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay let's try this.

Asinus Asini, your Holy Roman Empire is ready!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8mkmbj

[phonicsmonkey]

Hey ATPG, in the course of making 14k-odd posts did you discover anybody else you might be able to rope into this hotseat? We now probably need a new player for England, and I think Flax is trying to get out too - he's playing the Moors..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey ATPG, in the course of making 14k-odd posts did you discover anybody else you might be able to rope into this hotseat? We now probably need a new player for England, and I think Flax is trying to get out too - he's playing the Moors..

Mostly I have run into mafia players... though they must have a passing familiarity with Medieval 2 if they are playing mafia on here.

Hmm.... Double A might be one. He's usually around and he probably enjoys Medieval since he's been on TWC and .org.

You might invite Generalhankerchief, he used to play these games, if you haven't already.

Ironside, perhaps? Thermal Mercury?

Galain Ironhide?

YLC perhaps? Gobbledygook?

I can't say if any of them would agree to the invitation, but of the people on my friends list, I'd think one might.

[phonicsmonkey]

great - will you invite them or do you want me to?

[Askthepizzaguy]

great - will you invite them or do you want me to?

We might be more persuasive with both our names on it.

What I'd recommend is contacting all those members privately, and include your name and mine in a "hello" message. Then explain that we are looking for a replacement player for England in a Medieval 2 Total War hotseat game, and that we were interested in them in particular for joining the game, either because they have played in the throne room before or because Pizza thinks they might be interested.

If you are willing to write the invitation and send it to me, I'll look over it and send it out to them. It probably should be me who sends it, since many of them are familiar with me from mafia games.


edit: I am now the third talkingest member of the .org. What the heck?

[phonicsmonkey]

We might be more persuasive with both our names on it.

What I'd recommend is contacting all those members privately, and include your name and mine in a "hello" message. Then explain that we are looking for a replacement player for England in a Medieval 2 Total War hotseat game, and that we were interested in them in particular for joining the game, either because they have played in the throne room before or because Pizza thinks they might be interested.

If you are willing to write the invitation and send it to me, I'll look over it and send it out to them. It probably should be me who sends it, since many of them are familiar with me from mafia games.


edit: I am now the third talkingest member of the .org. What the heck?

Ok, I'll get around to that in the next day or so and send you a pm. I know - and you joined the same day as me! (My posts:awards ratio is significantly higher, which I think speaks volumes about the quality of my discourse) :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, I'll get around to that in the next day or so and send you a pm. I know - and you joined the same day as me! (My posts:awards ratio is significantly higher, which I think speaks volumes about the quality of my discourse) :laugh4:

Heh, we both won awards based on that game. Twas a very good game.

[phonicsmonkey]

Heh, we both won awards based on that game. Twas a very good game.

The Caliphate lives on! Check the WotK game, and the 'Legends of the Khan' stories thread for the latest developments from the world of the poor deceased Kaikosru.

By the way, did you pm Asinus to let him know it's his turn?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Caliphate lives on! Check the WotK game, and the 'Legends of the Khan' stories thread for the latest developments from the world of the poor deceased Kaikosru.

I'm so glad so many others got to play for so much longer than me. :tongue2: Lousy computer frying itself.


By the way, did you pm Asinus to let him know it's his turn?

You know it, I'm no rookie. :beam:

[phonicsmonkey]

You know it, I'm no rookie. :beam:

Just checking...(I'm no rookie either!)

[phonicsmonkey]

subbed as requested - Venice (http://www.mediafire.com/?myyx3ettxyz)

[Chaotix]

Sicily's turn. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5219)

[Balthor]

Greetings,

It´s the Moors (http://rapidshare.com/files/382504152/DoW2-20-Moors.rar.html) turn.

*salute*

[phonicsmonkey]

hi everyone

we really need new players for England and the Moors, assuming Flax isn't coming back which I'm not sure about yet.

If we don't get new players I'll have to switch these factions to AI, which will of course present Spain and France with an advantage in the form of a handy opportunity to get large and powerful.

Obviously for reasons of balance it would be better if we had human players in charge of those factions, so could everyone please think about whether they know anybody who might be interested in joining the game?

[Askthepizzaguy]

France will likely get excommunicated if they cancel the alliance and go on an england-busting rampage. That presents public order problems as well as ample opportunity for large neighbors such as the HRE and Spain to "deal with the heretics" while the majority of the French army is off killing silly English Kn-n-n-n-n-nig'hts.

[Asinus Asini]

As I have heard from RouxRoux, England had not much of a future. It was losing its war against the Irish and the Scots and their castle were without much improvements.

[phonicsmonkey]

As I have heard from RouxRoux, England had not much of a future. It was losing its war against the Irish and the Scots and their castle were without much improvements.

No offence to Roux, but given the Irish and Scots are AI-controlled I'm sure this situation can be turned around with a couple of successful battles.

I'll sub for them next turn if we haven't found a new player by then and see what I can do to help them out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll sub for them next turn if we haven't found a new player by then and see what I can do to help them out.

Sounds fine to me. I'd rather a human was there anyway.

That being said, I suppose you should know I am planning an invasion of England anyway with the blessing of nearby nations. So... yeah. Try to keep me out and no hard feelings if you do or don't.

[phonicsmonkey]

Sounds fine to me. I'd rather a human was there anyway.

That being said, I suppose you should know I am planning an invasion of England anyway with the blessing of nearby nations. So... yeah. Try to keep me out and no hard feelings if you do or don't.

No big surprises there. If you are successful, which I suspect you will be, we may not need a human player after all..

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hope that this will not have an impact on French-Hungarian relations. :wink:

To my knowledge the Hungarians aren't concerned with the ancient squabble between the French and the British.

Why they are allied, presently, is beyond me.

[Zim]

Turks are up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5221

[SilverShield]

Ramses, Merlox, Zim, Tristan de C, Flax, Quirl, Zim… those moors… what a fickle b ch that is. changing their quarterback more often than every ncaa team. every two turns there is a new surprise for me in strore. its like the san jose of this total war thing. kinda impossible to adapt to a player mentality. whatever… what i just wanna make sure is that england is going to have a human doing their turns as well until there is a new played showing up. but maybe i just over read this and u are about to do this anyway Phonics. in this case im content

[Askthepizzaguy]

yeah phonics will take care of it. He's an awesome player, and I doubt any conquest of England will be swift.

He can do with half of my forces what others could do to me with twice my forces.

[phonicsmonkey]

Ramses, Merlox, Zim, Tristan de C, Flax, Quirl, Zim… those moors… what a fickle b ch that is. changing their quarterback more often than every ncaa team. every two turns there is a new surprise for me in strore. its like the san jose of this total war thing. kinda impossible to adapt to a player mentality. whatever… what i just wanna make sure is that england is going to have a human doing their turns as well until there is a new played showing up. but maybe i just over read this and u are about to do this anyway Phonics. in this case im content

England and the Moors will both have a human sub until either we get a new player, or I decide we're just not going to find someone, or until their situation is so desperate that a human player wouldn't want to take over, in which case that faction will be switched to AI.

But do let me know if you have any concerns about this - there is certainly no intention to favour one player over another or create an unfair outcome.

[Zim]

I wouldn't worry. As far as I can see, the Moors were thoroughly screwed by switching between so many players.

[SilverShield]

well yea could be that the moors were lacking an overall strategy due to the frequent changes in players. though its non of the guys to blame but the computer since there was one computer ruled turn in between. looks like the computer isnt that capable at all.
thats why i wanted to make sure england will have a human doing its turns.

therefore...

England and the Moors will both have a human sub until either we get a new player, or I decide we're just not going to find someone, or until their situation is so desperate that a human player wouldn't want to take over, in which case that faction will be switched to AI.

But do let me know if you have any concerns about this - there is certainly no intention to favour one player over another or create an unfair outcome.

...im fine with this. if u are going to do englands turns its all good.

[phonicsmonkey]

Skipped, sorry barca

Al-Quds (http://www.mediafire.com/?z2ngmwiyz13)

[barcamartin]

Ah, that's too bad. Forgot about it, and the recent days have been so full-up. But I don't really mind to be honest. ;P

[Asinus Asini]

I have bad news, I won't be able to continue playing the hotseat. I hope you can find a replacement for the HRE.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Until you find a replacement, since the HRE and France are allied, I am willing to keep a watchful eye over the HRE until you do.

[SilverShield]

are u serious?? come on u cant rule ur neighbouring country. maybe Nightbringer could do this? or Balthor?

[Chaotix]

I have bad news, I won't be able to continue playing the hotseat. I hope you can find a replacement for the HRE.


Until you find a replacement, since the HRE and France are allied, I am willing to keep a watchful eye over the HRE until you do.

Erm... somebody's going to have to find a replacement, but I highly doubt it will be Asinus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Erm... somebody's going to have to find a replacement, but I highly doubt it will be Asinus.

That would be "you" as in "you guys" which I maybe should have said.

[Askthepizzaguy]

are u serious?? come on u cant rule ur neighbouring country. maybe Nightbringer could do this? or Balthor?

If I were away I would want an allied nation to watch my country.

Whichever other country is HRE's ally should do it. Or I trust the host to do it, but isn't phonics running like 3 or 4 nations now? This is getting excessive.

If Hungary/England is controlled by one player and France and the HRE border both of those, balance of powers might suggest the allied France and HRE get controlled by one player until a replacement can be found.

However I see the objection and as such I withdraw my request.

[phonicsmonkey]

Good news everyone! Thanatos Eclipse is going to take over the HRE.

He was originally considering either the Moors or England but I think we have greater need of a Kaiser.

I'm still hoping Flax will resume as the Moors which would leave us just one player short.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh goody. I hope Thanatos is the talkative type. I've not gotten much response to diplomacy so far.

[phonicsmonkey]

Zim is sick so I have skipped the turn at his request

Denmark (http://www.mediafire.com/?rn3nlldwdhd)

[nicuurs]

Well, Hungary's (http://rapidshare.com/files/384882019/DoW2-20-Hungary.rar) turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

Castille (http://www.mediafire.com/?ymnvzwyno2t)

[Chaotix]

Oh goody. I hope Thanatos is the talkative type. I've not gotten much response to diplomacy so far.

With all due respect, "Asinus Asini" and "Diplomacy" tended to be mutually exclusive to each other. :laugh4:

There's a reason TheFlax dropped this in the beginning when he was playing Venice.

Seriously, go look up his name in a Latin translator. Rather self-explanatory.