Stainless Steel 6.2 Hotseat - Dogs of War (completed, winner Nightbringer)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I think everybody will be ok with that :) it's only a days extinsion

[phonicsmonkey]

Fine by me.

[RexLegend]

Will finish turn in this day. Yes, im back and tired, but ill give my best.

[phonicsmonkey]

Will finish turn in this day. Yes, im back and tired, but ill give my best.

did you have a good trip?

[RexLegend]

did you have a good trip?

Twas fine, thanks :)
Northern Roman Empire's turn (http://www.sendspace.com/file/w8ofd9)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ot7c99jdbcarwc3/DoW-42-Sicily.sav

Turks destroyed

[Balthor]

Greetings,

It´s the Al-Quds (http://www.sendspace.com/file/79ji8e) turn then.

*salute*

[Cecil XIX]

Denmark's up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8785)

[phonicsmonkey]

Guys, Tosa has just pointed out to me that we have the ability to upload files directly to the post in this thread using the 'manage attachments' button. So no need to use either the org uploader or any external file hosting sites.

I can't believe I never noticed this before!

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/bq1kt6) turn.

Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

Iberooooomans

By the way, I was wondering what happened to Istvan...

[slysnake]

Iberooooomans

By the way, I was wondering what happened to Istvan...

lol, surely you saw whose assassin it was? XD Then again, you could also think, who are not not exactly friends with at the moment?

[Zim]

What? I spent the bulk of my stint in the game trying to assassinate the Hungarian prince with a 50%+ chance and failed every time, and someone else just casually bumps off one of your nobles? Bah. :furious3:


Iberooooomans

By the way, I was wondering what happened to Istvan...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

That's why I go after Egyptian Princes, 90% chance :2thumbsup:

[phonicsmonkey]

What? I spent the bulk of my stint in the game trying to assassinate the Hungarian prince with a 50%+ chance and failed every time, and someone else just casually bumps off one of your nobles? Bah. :furious3:

I thought it was you! It must have been Cecil then...unless I have enemies I don't know about.

[Nightbringer]

I only even have one assassin, in asia minor, and that from a captured territory. I don't have anywhere I can even train them, so I can assure you it wasnt me.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

If your noble was running around cross-dressed as an Egyptians, then it might have been me :P

[Ignoramus]

Very sorry about the delay:

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8792

[Nightbringer]

England!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8795

[slysnake]

Frog's Up
(http://www.sendspace.com/file/x5cpir)

[RexLegend]

Thanatos turn. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ia1eh7)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily up

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4xvjbjdl7a21juy/DoW-43-Sicily.sav

[Nightbringer]

so... ?

[slysnake]

Sicily up

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4xvjbjdl7a21juy/DoW-43-Sicily.sav

C'mon, gimme gimme gimmie my turn sooon! ^^

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry guys I meant to skip this last night. Maybe if Zim is around he can help out? Otherwise it'll have to wait until later when I get home.

Thanatos, you did send Balthor a pm right?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

yes

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8812)

[Cecil XIX]

Denmark. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8816)

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/0xi175) turn.

Good luck.

[Ignoramus]

How did such a massive alliance come about anyway?

[phonicsmonkey]

How did such a massive alliance come about anyway?

That would be me desperately trying to stay alive. I started the game bordering five human factions and allied with all of them!

[Ignoramus]

That would be me desperately trying to stay alive. I started the game bordering five human factions and allied with all of them!

Shame! Shame!

Can you answer one question for me? Who actually started the French-Spanish war?(I still have no idea who was the aggressor).

[Nightbringer]

The french did, back when ATPG was playing them.

And the huge alliance, me and phonics was best buds, then the two muslim factions started attacking italy and brought the HRE, whcih was allied with france and england, into a war with them, they then invaded phonics as well which brought us 2 into the war, or something like that.
Basically the muslims attacked everyone so we all got nice and comfy in our alliance and fought back.

[Ignoramus]

The french did, back when ATPG was playing them.

And the huge alliance, me and phonics was best buds, then the two muslim factions started attacking italy and brought the HRE, whcih was allied with france and england, into a war with them, they then invaded phonics as well which brought us 2 into the war, or something like that.
Basically the muslims attacked everyone so we all got nice and comfy in our alliance and fought back.

I thought we were in the right.

[phonicsmonkey]

To be fair Turkey only invaded Hungary in defence of Venice which I was pounding on totally unprovoked at the time.

[Nightbringer]

Thats right, I forgot all about venice. Why were you guys attacking them again, it had something to do with the romans didn't it?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Hey! I didn't start that one. Phonics invited me to the party, not that I objected any :P

The official story for attacking Venice was they were aligned with the Egyptians, although it probably had more to do with the fact that they were a rich, soft target ;)

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Back online. Carnival distracted me :O

[]s

[Thanatos Eclipse]

sounds like a pretty good excuse to me

[phonicsmonkey]

Ibero-mans (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8821)

Here's a potted history of the game, from my perspective:

- Hungary allies with HRE, Venice, Byzantines and Rus
- Egypt gets really big really quickly (Merlox) and scares the bejesus out of everyone
- France (Lemon) tries to get an anti-Egyptian alliance going, is frustrated by politics and turns isolationist
- Venice allies with Turkey and Egypt, putting itself in opposition to Christian Europe
- Turkey attacks Byzantines and hands Constantinople to Venice, angering Christian Europe further
- Spain starts a war with the Moors, who are allied with Turkey and Egypt
- Hungary takes out the remaning Byzantine settlements and Venice opportunistically joins in, angering the Magyar
- France and England go to war
- Hungary attacks Venice along with Sicily and HRE, wipes them out and takes Greece
- England becomes a French vassal
- Spain defeats the Moors
- Turkey attacks Hungary in defence of Venice
- Peace is negotiated between Turkey and Hungary
- Turkey attacks Sicily and starts a war with HRE, Hungary, Rus and Sicily
- Egypt joins in that war in support of Turkey
- France and England attack Spain, get beaten back
- HRE joins Iberian war in support of France/England
- HRE, Rus and Hungary defeat Turkey

and that's about it I reckon so far

[Ignoramus]

Guys, I have a problem.

In my current save, I assaulted Zaragoza and quit the battle when it was almost over(I lost), but then when the campaign map loads it counted it as a victory and I have taken Zaragoza. Should I replay the save or what?(It's not so simple as gifting the settlement to Rex; he had a large army there that's now gone).

[phonicsmonkey]

That's weird - mind if I take a look?

[Ignoramus]

I don't, as long as you don't pass any info to Rex and Thanatos - I'm in enough trouble as it is. :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

ya, I've had that. It is actually pretty abusable if you are a trying to be abusive. Basically the game seems to think you win a siege assault no matter what if you have troops inside the city when you quit. I don't know the details and it might not work every time.
I know about it but don't use it because it is just no fun that way.

[Ignoramus]

ya, I've had that. It is actually pretty abusable if you are a trying to be abusive. Basically the game seems to think you win a siege assault no matter what if you have troops inside the city when you quit. I don't know the details and it might not work every time.
I know about it but don't use it because it is just no fun that way.

I'm very sorry, I did not know. I won't quit battles I'm losing again in the future. Sorry guys.

[phonicsmonkey]

ya, I've had that. It is actually pretty abusable if you are a trying to be abusive. Basically the game seems to think you win a siege assault no matter what if you have troops inside the city when you quit. I don't know the details and it might not work every time.
I know about it but don't use it because it is just no fun that way.

I didn't know about that. I'll make a rules amendment in the first post to rule it out.

Igno, are you able to replay your turn and get a similar result by autoresolving? Or will you need to play the battle again and try withdrawing your troops from the city before retreating, or waiting for them all to be killed? What do you think we should do?

[Nightbringer]

I'm sure you didn't do it intentionally. Why would you bring it up if you had? But ya, ti is best to just not quit battles. The game seems to get confused by it. (WHY AREN'T YOU ENJOYING THIS, WAHHHH I BREAK NOW)

[phonicsmonkey]

The game seems to get confused by it.

Is this just in this mod? I can't understand why this hasn't come up before.

[Nightbringer]

I don't know, I've never really investigated it. I'm not even sure how the mechanics of it work, I've just found that if I quit siege battles half way through the game generally considers me as having won.

[Ignoramus]

I didn't know about that. I'll make a rules amendment in the first post to rule it out.

Igno, are you able to replay your turn and get a similar result by autoresolving? Or will you need to play the battle again and try withdrawing your troops from the city before retreating, or waiting for them all to be killed? What do you think we should do?

I doubt it - I had killed 80% of the garrison - if I autoresolved I'd probably only kill 10%. That was the only thing I've done on my turn so far, so everything else is fine.

THe thing is, if I fight the battle again, I might win it - if I don't fight it, then I will leave a very large army unmolested on my doorstep(not to mention that I'd been planning this for a couple of turns).

[Nightbringer]

I think it would be okay for you to play the battle again. I'm pretty far removed from the situation though so I'm probably not the best one to make the call.

[phonicsmonkey]

hmm - I think you should fight it again and try to create the same result without winning it. Does that sound ok?

Alternatively we could just replay the turn without fighting the battle, you withdraw and disband the right amount of troops and on the other players' turn (Rex?) I go in and disband 80% of the garrison.

[Ignoramus]

It's possible - I also killed his prince, and one of my generals died.

[phonicsmonkey]

Well I can kill both of those guys off if necessary, I just need their names for the console so I can teleport them somewhere nasty.

Your call - obviously if we take the second option we'll need to halt the game to get Rex's agreement before proceeding.

[RexLegend]

Hm... I know how hard is to copy entire scene and play it again. Takes hours or more. If Ignoramus can't succeed playing over with similar losses continuously, then i'd prefer scrapping units in both sides manually. Acceptable loss.

[slysnake]

Hm... I know how hard is to copy entire scene and play it again. Takes hours or more. If Ignoramus can't succeed playing over with similar losses continuously, then i'd prefer scrapping units in both sides manually. Acceptable loss.

Will Rex get any choice in what units get disbanded? XD

[phonicsmonkey]

Will Rex get any choice in what units get disbanded? XD

If we have to go the disbanding route it's going to be very approximate so it's really going to have to be something both players are happy with.

[slysnake]

If we have to go the disbanding route it's going to be very approximate so it's really going to have to be something both players are happy with.

Fair enough. I live in a GMT time zone and Rex lives in a GMT+2 time zone, so if you want a final 'o.k.' from Rex, you will probably have to wait another 8 hours or so, if you don't mind that ^^

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm still waiting to hear if Igno managed to reproduce the battle results by replaying it. No rush from my end.

[Ignoramus]

Rex had 556 men left over, and they were basically made up of spear militia and peasant archers. So I guess around 4-5 units should remain.

On my side, only the general should survive.

[Ignoramus]

I'll try to reproduce it - but it's not going to be easy. I have to go well enough to cut down the garrison, but still make sure the French Prince dies and one of my generals dies as well.

[phonicsmonkey]

EDIT: wait, it seems silly for you to waste your time replaying if I'm going to have to intervene anyway

Rex are you happy to take Igno's word for it that there were 4-5 units left as Igno said? If so Igno can disband his own troops, continue, and on your turn I'll go in and disband some and kill off your FM.

[Visor]

I had this issue once against the AI. I was taking Halych, and I was going to get smashed so I quit before I lost anymore men and I won...

Was quite happy with that. :D

[RexLegend]

I think its fair enough. Ill keep 5 units. Can Ignoramus exactly tell precentage of militia-peasant bowmen balance so i know which ones to be kept. I know source to kill my prince/general (whoever was in Zaragoza) off :)
Basically, yes, i'm happy with these terms. You have my word.

[Ignoramus]

I think it would be 4 units of spear militia - 1 unit of peasant archers. I'm happy with that.

[phonicsmonkey]

Thanks to both of you for being so sportsmanlike about it. Igno, please disband the army and when Rex' next turn comes up I'll log in before he plays and disband / kill off the FM in Zaragoza.

[Ignoramus]

The family member of mine that needs to be killed is in the fleet off Pamplona.

[phonicsmonkey]

You'd better upload your autosave for me instead of the next turn, so I can kill him off at the end of your turn this turn.

[RexLegend]

If phonics already logs into my savegame, could phonics reset pw for me and send save via PM? :)

[phonicsmonkey]

If phonics already logs into my savegame, could phonics reset pw for me and send save via PM? :)

Sure thing. I'll have to clear it anyway to get access.

[Ignoramus]

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8824

Phonics, the general of mine you need to kill is Ramiro de Ahumada. The garrison in Zaragoza should have the closest approximation to 556 men, so maybe 3 units of spear militia and the 116 man unit of archers? France's Prince Michel also needs to be killed.

[phonicsmonkey]

Igno is this the autosave from before you hit end turn? If not, can you please upload that instead so I can kill your general before passing the save to the Rus?

[Nightbringer]

its my turn not the auto save, I'll wait to play it till you upload the save after fixing things up phonics

[phonicsmonkey]

Actually NB go ahead and play, I'll get him at the start of the next turn instead

[Ignoramus]

Actually NB go ahead and play, I'll get him at the start of the next turn instead

Thanks for that. I just realised I should have saved the game just before I pressed end turn(I hadn't, so I would have had to do it all over again.)

[Nightbringer]

england up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8827

[Nightbringer]

oh whew, when I saw your post here i was afraid I was going to have to do my turn all over again.
oops, sorry bout the double post

[slysnake]

Frogs up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/1ap2v1)

Is it my turn where you were going to make those amendments?

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll do it now. Rex, wait for me to send you the new save by pm

[phonicsmonkey]

ok I have disbanded the french troops and sent the new save to Rex.

One issue though - I couldn't kill Prince Michel this turn. You need a land bridge to do it and there's only one in this game. Unfortunately it's blocked by a Spanish ship and I can't seem to move it with the console.

So, on the Spanish turn I'll move it out of the way and kill Igno's general. Then on the French turn the French prince can be killed. In the meantime no-one but Spanish troops are able to use the land bridge and if a ship wants to pass through the straits of Gibraltar it must defeat Admiral Bartolome's fleet.

Rex, do you think you can handle killing your own prince so I don't have to intervene? All you have to do is order him to march across the land bridge and when he's in the middle of it (ie. on the water) hit backspace repeatedly until he drowns. Try it a few times if it doesn't work at first.

[RexLegend]

HRE's turn. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/0hzao0)

PM-ed phonics about killing general before. Well no harm mentioning here.
Couldn't manage to kill general. Seems that this will remain til' next turn. I'll try sinking general by myself. Didn't knew that this option is possible.

[phonicsmonkey]

HRE's turn. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/0hzao0)

PM-ed phonics about killing general before. Well no harm mentioning here.
Couldn't manage to kill general. Seems that this will remain til' next turn. I'll try sinking general by myself. Didn't knew that this option is possible.

yeah, you'll need to wait until next turn so that the spanish ship is out of the way

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rn9maoxi3hvb7mk/DoW-44-Sicily.sav

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Al-Quds (http://www.sendspace.com/file/1nqtnn)

[]s

[Cecil XIX]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8838 (Denmark's up.)

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5e9b1h) turn.

Good luck.

[Zim]

Phonics asked me to take his turn.

Spain is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8842

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I had to kill Igno's FM but he has the updated save now and should be able to play.

Rex, on your turn please march Prince Michel across the land bridge and hit backspace until he drowns.

Everyone I had to move Igno's fleet in order to facilitate this but for the purposes of the game please consider the straits still blocked and beat his fleet before sailing through. Only one fleet can access his from each side, as if it were in the bottleneck.

[RexLegend]

I hope I'll get save before end of weekend. I'm not able to play in next week.

[Ignoramus]

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8852

Edit: Sorry about the delay, everyone. Phonics and I were working out how to resolve the generals issue. For the record, the straits of Gibraltar are only unblocked so that Rex can kill off his Prince. You still need to beat my fleet right next to the straits in order to cross.

[Nightbringer]

england!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8853

[slysnake]

Frogs Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/l4bac8)

[RexLegend]

HRE's turn (http://www.sendspace.com/file/9rvgm4)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/s9k4pcx94k6u1q0/DoW-45-Sicily.sav

[Balthor]

oops,

I shall do it tonight.

[]s

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Al-Quds (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5o8zsc) turn.

[]s

Cant send PM: Cecil XIX has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

[Cecil XIX]

Denmark's up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8879)

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/68o25i) turn.

Good luck.

[Zim]

Spain is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8888

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks Zim - I'm all over the place at the moment

[slysnake]

thanks Zim - I'm all over the place at the moment

What's happening now? Did we skip Ignoramous' turn or something?

[Ignoramus]

No, I'm about to do it. Sorry about the delay guys.

[Ignoramus]

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8896

[Nightbringer]

england!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8898

[slysnake]

england!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8898

Erm, why is this the save for Wales' turn in the Britania hotseat? XD

[Thanatos Eclipse]

He probably just grabbed the wrong link. In the PBM thread there is this turn that was just uploaded today

DoW-47-England (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?linkid=8899&catid=205)

I'd assume it's the right turn although I think we're only on turn 45 :clown:

[slysnake]

Frogs Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x2km8t)

[Nightbringer]

whoops, sorry, I planned 4 different turns last night and must have gotten mixed up with where I was sticking all the different saves.

[RexLegend]

HRE's turn (http://www.sendspace.com/file/c3lxpc)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9laqtf9j56wvdbm/DoW-46-Sicily.sav

[Balthor]

Ok,

AlQuds (http://www.sendspace.com/file/d18v0c) next.

*salute*

[Cecil XIX]

Denmark (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8912)

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/bdsnqi) turn.

Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

Ibero-Romani (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8917)

[Ignoramus]

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8918

[Nightbringer]

we've got a problem
I finished my turn, and was skipping the Kwaz turn as usual when the game ctd'ed on the rebel turn. I tried a couple more times with the same result. The kwaz turn has no password so anyone who wants to give it a shot can see if they can get it to go past the rebels to england.

here is the save
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8920

[Ignoramus]

Phonics should do it, or someone uninvolved. Otherwise people involved in wars could get valuable information.

[Nightbringer]

it is just kwarezmians, they can't really see anything of value to anyone.

[phonicsmonkey]

yeah - no-one can attack them anyway. I can't look tonight so if someone else can have a try I'd be most obliged.

[Ignoramus]

Oh ok, I thought you meant having a look with fow off.

[slysnake]

So, are we any closer to getting a solution? England is the furthest away from the Khwarez, so maybe it would be best for me to give it a go if no one else has done so already? :)

[Nightbringer]

I really think it would be fine for anyone to do it, I do it every turn and I can tell you they arn't able to see anything of interest.

[phonicsmonkey]

go for it sly

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I tried it, didn't work for me either

[phonicsmonkey]

bummer - when I get a chance over the weekend I'll look into it with the god's eye view and see if it's a settlement rebelling or something that's causing it. I'm glad I played EB so much...

[Nightbringer]

Oh god yes, the ridiculous things must one do to keep a settlement on the other side of the map from rebelling in order to play that mod past turn 50. It truly does teach you things...

[RexLegend]

Always kwarezmians, for older versions of Stainless Steel...

[phonicsmonkey]

Bad news - I looked at it and I can't get it working.

Usually (in EB at any rate) when you get CTDs on the rebel turn it's to do with a settlement somewhere rebelling and the game can't handle the switch to the rebel faction for some reason.

Does anyone know of any settlements in their purview which may have rebelled this turn?

Also I notice there are still some AI-controlled Cumans but their turn appears to have passed - does anyone know which turns they come between so I can take a look and see if it's them?

[Nightbringer]

It isn't after mine. After me is papal states then kwarez.
As to rebeling asettlements, I have 2 at 70% happiness with more troops being trained in them, I would be very surprised if they rebelled.

I could try replaying my turn to see if that helps, but I think the odds are low.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I have one settlement at 70%, but the troop recruitment should've taken care of that. I also have a few in the blue, but they shouldn't rebel.

[phonicsmonkey]

hi NB, do you mind just checking that out?

If it doesn't work I'll try fiddling with Thanatos' save and rolling it forward from there. Stupid CTDs. SS seems a bit unstable actually, I was just testing out something in 6.3 and got a persistent CTD at the Khwarezm turn.

[Nightbringer]

I tried just loading the original save for my turn and ending it without doing anything. I got the same result of a ctd on the rebel's turn. This would be a tragic way fro this game to end after all this time.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

SS 6.3 just seems to have more then it's fair share of bugs anyway.

I believe if you just load my turn from the beginning all my settlements where happy enough as I wasn't ecommunicted then ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

Success! I got it to roll over the turn by reloading Igno's turn and lowering taxes at Leon.

Ignoramus, hate to ask you to do this but otherwise the game will end - could you please replay your turn and make sure that Leon isn't going to rebel? Or just tinker with it? It might not even be that but I did test rolling forward through your turn from a prior turn without lowering taxes at Leon and it crashed...so without being Sherlock Holmes about it I think that's it.

[Ignoramus]

Ok, I'll give it a go. Am I required to get it as close as possible to the original?

[phonicsmonkey]

please, that'd be great

[Ignoramus]

I'm so sorry guys, but I won't be able to access the save until Monday. I thought I'd be able to do it today, but it turned out that I was unable to. Really sorry guys for delaying things.

[RexLegend]

No problem, perfect timing for me :)

[slysnake]

Bump. :)

[Ignoramus]

Kiev!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8940

[Nightbringer]

England!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8944

[slysnake]

Frogs Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/63kznt)

[RexLegend]

HRE's turn (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lbpyih)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8948

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Al Quds (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7yn1y9) turn.

*salute*

[phonicsmonkey]

If Cecil doesn't show up soon I'll skip this turn and move the game along.

[Cecil XIX]

My apolgies for the delay. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8970) :shame:

[nicuurs]

Can't download the file. Can you put it on a file-hosting page somewhere?

Thank you.

[phonicsmonkey]

Cecil, for some reason we're having repeated problems with the files you are putting on the org uploader. I'm wondering if maybe they are getting corrupted in the upload because you aren't zipping them first and they are large. Maybe try zipping them instead? Please re-post this save for us so we can continue.

thanks!

[phonicsmonkey]

Here (http://download41.mediafire.com/n3w3xq2tb12g/qb28hj1d3d9h3vv/DoW-47-Denmark.sav) is the save for Denmark

[nicuurs]

Hungary's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x3cis8) turn.

Good luck.

[phonicsmonkey]

Iberomans (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8979)

[slysnake]

Bump...

[Ignoramus]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8987

Kiev!

[Nightbringer]

England!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8988

[slysnake]

Can I please have an extension of 48 hours? I shouldn't need that long if I can play it tonight, but, just in case :)

[slysnake]

Bad news, I am now getting a CTD upon ending the turn, also, Ignoramous, please clear your inbox!!

[RexLegend]

That's just perfect... -.-

[phonicsmonkey]

Not again...I'll see if Zim can take a look for us

[slysnake]

Not again...I'll see if Zim can take a look for us

I saved my game just before I ended the turn, so if either you are Zim would like it to play around with and see if you can get the turn to end. Strange thing is that there are no AI factions between me and Rex, so I don't think regions turning rebel is the cause of the problem this time...

[phonicsmonkey]

Can you please do me a favour in the meantime and just check whether there's anything that might be causing it? I can't really think of anything but maybe you have some troops moving around or agent activity in the end turn process that is causing it to crash? Something automated is usually the culprit.

[slysnake]

This turn was rather boring for me actually, not much happening at all, no settlements of mine that I could think of turning rebel, although there is one which may possibly have riots next turn. Could that be the possible cause of it?

[Nightbringer]

I think just try to do everything possible to prevent any automated events.

[phonicsmonkey]

This turn was rather boring for me actually, not much happening at all, no settlements of mine that I could think of turning rebel, although there is one which may possibly have riots next turn. Could that be the possible cause of it?

Can you test lowering taxes or putting a garrison in there and running the end of the turn again to see if it stops it?

[Ignoramus]

I had a city in Morocco that I raised taxes to high because it was under siege. But it wouldn't have revolted until the next turn anyway.

[Zim]

When I get ctds in EB one thing that often works is just moving a unit around (any at all), saving, and then reloading from there and trying end turn again. Supposedly it resets all the "random" events (like rebellions).

[slysnake]

Tried both phonic's and zim's suggestions, still no luck... Although I do admit that sort of thing would usually resolve a CTD :/

[RexLegend]

What happens when CTD can't be fixed? Just curious...

[Zim]

First step would be to try going back a few more turns and see if it helps. I'll take a look tonight.

[Zim]

Anyone happen to know the internal faction names for the mod? I found the one for "Kiev" but apparently that isn't the one matched to the Kiev faction ingame...at least, I was unable to clear the pw for it to start going back turn by turn to try to fix the ctd problem.

[slysnake]

bump

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Anyone happen to know the internal faction names for the mod? I found the one for "Kiev" but apparently that isn't the one matched to the Kiev faction ingame...at least, I was unable to clear the pw for it to start going back turn by turn to try to fix the ctd problem.

I think it might be called the Russian Orthodox Empire. If that doesn't work I'll come up with a list of faction names later tonight

[slysnake]

I think it might be called the Russian Orthodox Empire. If that doesn't work I'll come up with a list of faction names later tonight

Surely phonics knows?!?

[phonicsmonkey]

Surely phonics knows?!?

not off the top of my head I don't....but....isn't it just called russia? If I were in front of my gaming comp I could probably remember, or look it up in the SS forums which is where I got it in the first place I think

there's another file you can use, descr_strat I think has the list of names in it...

[slysnake]

Found this in the SS, data, world, campaigns, imperial campaign folder?

campaign imperial_campaign
playable
england
france
hre
spain
venice
sicily
milan
scotland
cumans
byzantium
russia
moors
turks
egypt
denmark
portugal
poland
hungary
knights_templar
lithuania
kievan_rus
aragon
ireland
norway
kwarezm
end
unlockable
end
nonplayable
papal_states
mongols
teutonic_order
jerusalem
slave
end

[phonicsmonkey]

NB's faction is russia, I'm pretty sure of that now

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Human factions:

Kingdom of England
Dragon States of France
Northern Roman Empire
Kingdom of Sicily
Caliphate of Al Quds
Kingdom of Denmark
Magyar Kingdom
Ibero-Roman Empire
The Russian Orthodox Empire

AI left:

The Papal States
Khwarezmian Empire
Cuman Khanate

[Nightbringer]

yes, I think the games name for kieven rus is russia.

[RexLegend]

I remember that there were 2 russian factions. Under banner of russia was dark-blue colored faction Novgorod. Bright blue (Nightbringer's faction) is kievan_rus then.
So... The Russian Orthodox Empire equals to kievan_rus :P

[Nightbringer]

ya but I think kieven rus goes back to the vanilla faction russia.

[RexLegend]

Kievan rus is completely separated from russia (new faction slot, that was made). Russia is vanilla, kievan rus is additional. Or i misunderstood something?

[Visor]

Novgorod = russia
Kiev = kievan_rus

Trust me.

[Nightbringer]

ok :)

[Zim]

Ok, I've gone back quite a few turns and am still getting a ctd at the end of England's turn. Fiddling around with England's moves doesn't seem to stop it, either...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Well maybe we'll just have to call it a game, unless anybody else has any ideas. The Spanish and Egyptians fought well, but they're both outnumbered and seemingly on their final leg, and I for one wasn't looking forward to a final world war that probably would have happened if we continued the game much longer. Mostly cause I'm allied to every strong nation left and I'd be stuck in the middle :)

[RexLegend]

I agree with Thanatos... If we can't continue playing, then we have to call it to an end :(

[slysnake]

Are there less CTD's in the new stainless steel releases?

[RexLegend]

At least i've experienced less ctd-s with new releases.

[Nightbringer]

Well maybe we'll just have to call it a game, unless anybody else has any ideas. The Spanish and Egyptians fought well, but they're both outnumbered and seemingly on their final leg, and I for one wasn't looking forward to a final world war that probably would have happened if we continued the game much longer. Mostly cause I'm allied to every strong nation left and I'd be stuck in the middle :)

I'm okay with quiting. I was going to eliminate the fatimids in the next few turns for sure, and would probably reach the 70 for my win condition within the next 10 turns at most.

[phonicsmonkey]

What a shame it had to end so suddenly and anti-climactically. Still we got a good long game out of it right?

I'm inclined to declare Nightbringer the winner as he has the most territories and least powerful enemies at this point. Also for his consummate professionalism in corner camping ftw :laugh4:

But if there is dissent I'll start a poll to decide it.

[Nightbringer]

hey sjut because yous noobz cant play doenst mean i shoouldnt campz.

Seriously though, having the corner probably was my single biggest advantage in this game. I never fought anything but a one front war.
As for the game, it has been a great game for me and I had a fantastic time playing with/against all of you!

[Cecil XIX]

Surely it's possible to go back however many turns it takes to find a save that's uncorrupted? I'm fine with the break this has given me, but given that we're quite clearly in the end game it seems a shame to stop now.

[phonicsmonkey]

Surely it's possible to go back however many turns it takes to find a save that's uncorrupted? I'm fine with the break this has given me, but given that we're quite clearly in the end game it seems a shame to stop now.

Depends how far back Zim has already gone. This CTD might have been embedded for quite some time. No sense replaying 20 or so turns if it goes back that far, for example.

I'll see if I can take a closer look this weekend while I'm home for a couple of days.

[Cecil XIX]

20 turns? That would be quite the delayed time-bomb!

[phonicsmonkey]

20 turns? That would be quite the delayed time-bomb!

I exaggerate but you never know with this stuff. I know from bitter experience with EB for example that sometimes these CTDs are pretty difficult to track down.

[Ignoramus]

20 turns. Sound's fine to me....

:tongue2:

[slysnake]

20 turns. Sound's fine to me....

:tongue2:

Yeah, only because you still HAD a country back then, AND enough forces to invade France XD

Also, play your turn in Frozen North, it's overdue T_T

[Ignoramus]

I made a big mistake not taking France's offer of Pamplona. I should have realised what I was up against and taken it gratefully.

[slysnake]

Did Rex offer Pamplona to you for peace??? You know, if you had of accepted that, Spain would have actually been better off than when France had invaded in the first place ^^

[Visor]

It's dead? :(

I had fun while I played. Thanks phonics for a great campaign.

[RexLegend]

It was challenging and fun to play my first hotseat :)
Too bad, i couldn't wipe Igno's faction out. This would have been perfect ending with this. :P "Spain destroyed" tab, *uber-evil laugh* >:]

[Nightbringer]

Thanks everyone for a great hotseat campaign!

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry guys I didn't get a chance to look at this over the weekend and now I'm not going to be back at my gaming comp until the first week of June. I will look at it then and if I can salvage the game I'll get in touch with everyone to see if we want to continue.

If I can't I will be back with another grand campaign hotseat from the ideas bank. Anyone interested in Wrath of the Khan 2: The Struggle for Europe?

In the meantime let's consider this one finished (and hope it can come back later).

Congratulations NB and well played everyone!

[Ignoramus]

Did Rex offer Pamplona to you for peace??? You know, if you had of accepted that, Spain would have actually been better off than when France had invaded in the first place ^^

My Achilles heel has always been to bite off more than I could chew. I was planning on waging economic warfare on France - burning France to ashes, and force them into peace. It might have worked if I didn't have to fight the HRE as well.

[Ignoramus]

It was challenging and fun to play my first hotseat :)
Too bad, i couldn't wipe Igno's faction out. This would have been perfect ending with this. :P "Spain destroyed" tab, *uber-evil laugh* >:]

I was in the process of fleeing to Hungary via Ireland and Northern Scotland.

[phonicsmonkey]

I was in the process of fleeing to Hungary via Ireland and Northern Scotland.

Lol, we had a nice warm fire waiting for you there.

[slysnake]

Not really on-topic, but Ignoramous, are you ever going to play your turn in Frozen North?? I swear the next turn is like 3 days overdue now ^^

[Balthor]

Greetings,

Thanks all for the campaign. Insular Kingdoms are challenging.

Grats for the winner!

I would propose a SS3 campaign, seems the Wrath of Khan 2 uses the Grand Campaign that does not llikes my portuguese Windows 7 :O

*salute*

[slysnake]

Is there not a SS4 now? We do need to remember though, that heretics have alot more power, and from what I have heard, can really screw up things in your campaign if you're not careful enough, but that's the only downside I'v heard of so far; hopefully there should be less CTD's! :)

[phonicsmonkey]

Greetings,

Thanks all for the campaign. Insular Kingdoms are challenging.

Grats for the winner!

I would propose a SS3 campaign, seems the Wrath of Khan 2 uses the Grand Campaign that does not llikes my portuguese Windows 7 :O

*salute*

I was planning to use SS6.4 but I'm not set on it yet.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

This was a great game! Congrats to NB, if only I'd invaded Egypt sooner, maybe that'd be me ;) Oh well, an ally won and that's good enough for me.

[Visor]

What's this Wrath of the Khan 2?

[phonicsmonkey]

It's going to be a Mongols vs the world game, probably in SS6.4, probably starting in June when I'm back on deck. I'll set up a brainstorming thread when I'm ready to discuss rules, mod etc but for now just start to get really excited.

[Visor]

Oh. Tried that before. Mongols run out of steam cause of lack of money though. A determined coalition can hold them back long enough, probably.

[phonicsmonkey]

The key will be to set up the rules so that there's an incentive for non-Mongol factions to fight each other as well as the Mongols or even to ally with the Khan. In the first WotK game which was in broken crescent the Rajputs ended up siding with the Mongols which was key to the ultimate Mongol victory. We could also mod the game for balance and make sure the mongol VCs are realistic and achievable.
We can discuss all this later.

Also I'm going to play the Mongols

[Visor]

So it'll be different? Nice.

[RexLegend]

I was in the process of fleeing to Hungary via Ireland and Northern Scotland.

Do not underestimate same enemy, when you had done same mistake before ;)

EDIT: About SS6.4 heretic massacre, perharps there is some sub-mod that removes heretical ultimate power... I haven't checked forum for months now.

[phonicsmonkey]

This one is over. I can't get it to work. Well played all and congratulations NB!