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Askthepizzaguy

10-19-2009, 22:07

If anything, I think this game needs moar dead people spam.

Confusing the living players is what we are allowed to do, after all. :2thumbsup:

TinCow

10-19-2009, 22:10

I know that I was one of the people investigated last night, PM mix up :laugh4::laugh4:

Who mixed up what PM?

White_eyes:D

10-19-2009, 22:10

Tratorix

10-19-2009, 22:11

But not with the voting in bold:stare:

Your suppose to convince the living crew to mutiny or lynch someone random....not try and pull a mutiny yourself's.....I admit it's funny but in this case it is killing out discussion:whip:

It's not killing out discussion. No one looked at the thread and said "Oh, the dead people are voting for mutiny, better not post anything". :rolleyes:

Askthepizzaguy

10-19-2009, 22:13

I admit it's funny but in this case it is killing out discussion:whip:

This discussion is bad. I'm doing you a favor. You should all just follow Reenk Roink anyway. Only he has the gigantic cojones required to run this ship.

White_eyes:D

10-19-2009, 22:16

It's not killing out discussion. No one looked at the thread and said "Oh, the dead people are voting for mutiny, better not post anything". :rolleyes:

No, I just thought it was a REAL mutiny when I did a quick look though..:stare:

ATPG understands why it's bad....and I also need to go back and check if any votes are in there...I think it's also hard on GH, because he will need to tally and think there real:no:

TinCow

10-19-2009, 22:19

Vote: Muttony

Yessir, I likes me that mutton.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-19-2009, 22:22

Who mixed up what PM?

captain sent me a PM saying to investigate Reenk and CDF. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Crazed Rabbit

10-19-2009, 22:23

Well, I'd like to see some discussion centering around Taka and...um, well just taka for now.

With what I know about people who successfully protected others and the like, he seems to be a prime choice.

Also, he was attacked by two killers and survived. At first a thought it was likely that it was a vigilante screw-up, but now it seems plausible that the mafiosos would have a higher chance of surviving a nighttime kill attempt.

EDIT: Yes, I sent a PM to CDF to let him know I was watching him.

CR

White_eyes:D

10-19-2009, 22:25

Vote:taka it does seem odd.....time for some pressure taka:beam:

GeneralHankerchief

10-19-2009, 22:27

I don't mind the dead posting, or even voting mutiny for that matter. This game is a hosting cakewalk as compared to when there were 51 of you all alive and posting. :hide:

Subotan

10-19-2009, 22:28

Vote:Taka

TinCow

10-19-2009, 22:30

EDIT: Yes, I sent a PM to CDF to let him know I was watching him.

Why would you alert the target of an investigation that they were about to be investigated?

Sigurd

10-19-2009, 22:30

Its all about the Gold seamen.

vote: Mutiny to be a part of the 100 Gold a mutiny gives you.

Its every man for himself now. vote off those with much gold and secure loot. The winner will be the last one standing. Don't let the Capt'n with his high salary take the price home alone. He has been leading you too long.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-19-2009, 22:31

Why would you alert the target of an investigation that they were about to be investigated?

*psst* It was a mistake.
But really I am fine with it. :juggle2:

Crazed Rabbit

10-19-2009, 22:44

Ok, we do not want a bandwagon on taka.

Its every man for himself now.

Wouldn't you like that, maven? Instead of being 20 or so against your one friend?

CR

Askthepizzaguy

10-19-2009, 22:48

He's got a point. If town is going to win, now is the time to make yourself the richest pirate.

The maven can wait! Time to start competing for the GOLD!!!!

A Very Super Market

10-19-2009, 22:49

Vote: Putiny

Russian ex-presidents are a demographic that have not held the position of pirate captain before. Give him a chance.

GeneralHankerchief

10-19-2009, 22:54

Vote: Putiny

Russian ex-presidents are a demographic that have not held the position of pirate captain before. Give him a chance.

Should I count this as a legitimate vote for Mutiny?

Tratorix

10-19-2009, 22:56

Should I count this as a legitimate vote for Mutiny?

Yes. :2thumbsup:

taka

10-19-2009, 23:00

Also, he was attacked by two killers and survived. At first a thought it was likely that it was a vigilante screw-up, but now it seems plausible that the mafiosos would have a higher chance of surviving a nighttime kill attempt.

CR

well reenk seemed to survived last nights kill since one of the killers where absent right?

tbh i dont really know who to vote, i've always just shamelessly bandwaggoned.

i've going to vote: miotas because i know nothing about him. if he's a proven innocent then remember to bash me :smash:

edit

i'm also free for night actions if needed. i've not much to do

A1_Unit

10-19-2009, 23:16

vote:Lord Winter I haven't seem him around.:shrug:

KukriKhan

10-19-2009, 23:45

The currently living (at least One of whom is a bad guy):

a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Double A
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
miotas
Reenk Roink
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Subotan
taka
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

Captain calls for discussion, but not bandwagon, on taka. All I can contribute on him is that he doesn't say much in-thread, until his name comes up - then he's johnny-on-the-spot with an excuse. We went through this exercise a couple of day phases ago with taka, and atPizzag "cleared" him, and Captain stopped a bandwagon on him (IIRC).

Seamus F does a fine job of staying in-character, but has only contributed 14 posts to the effort in this thread. Very unusual play for him.

I don't know Captain Blackadder very well, but he seems to be laying low as well, with a mere 11 posts here. Busy elsewhere, like a mafia forum?

For pressure (and because, if he's on our side, he could be very helpful with analysis):

vote: Seamus

Centurion1

10-19-2009, 23:50

Well I have heard from contacts that reenk is indeed innocent as is cdf so i think they may be good choices for first mate.

Also thank you to all of my protectors, once again :bow:

A1_Unit

10-19-2009, 23:53

What's wrong with me for first mate? :P

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-19-2009, 23:57

Argh, I would surely be honored. I have done me best to help the town while I was able. But I am fiune no matter which way we all be leaning.

Thank ye for the kind word Centurion :bow:

:laugh4::laugh4:

TinCow

10-19-2009, 23:59

Vote: Double A

Was waiting for the results Centurion1 just talked about. Since Reenk is not scum, Double A is the best choice.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 00:02

A correction from the detective;
reenk and CDF are both not susceptible at all. That is what was found out last night, not their actions. :wall:

CDF has had one successful protection, from night one. He and two others, now dead, protected centurion1 from a single attacker.

Makes me wonder if he's the last maven and a different maven attacked cent1 on night one to provide an alibi for CDF.
:inquisitive:

CR

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-20-2009, 00:08

ahh, ok then nevermind. when I heard results I assumed that that meant my alliegence. forget what I said. :bow:

taka

10-20-2009, 00:08

unovte: miotas

vote: seamus

i remember from a long while ago that when seamus went into lurk mode, he was the super mafia that fool everyone. so from my limited info from the game, i'm gonna go with past experience

[Language please - GH]

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-20-2009, 00:24

I didn't vote.....

um Vote: Double A. I am going with the officers. Trying to write a lynch writeup now, so don't feel like thinking. :laugh4:

Tratorix

10-20-2009, 00:32

Makes me wonder if he's the last maven and a different maven attacked cent1 on night one to provide an alibi for CDF.

:idea2:

Beefy187

10-20-2009, 00:36

Vote: Mutiny

Someone told me to

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 00:38

I didn't vote.....
I am going with the officers. Trying to write a lynch writeup now, so don't feel like thinking. :laugh4:

Double A is confirmed not to be either of the killers.

CR

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-20-2009, 00:40

Ok geez. Tin cow is still an officer ain't he? Thought he knew something about what was going on.

:sweatdrop: if you think I am maven then just kill me already No need to go passive aggressive.

TinCow

10-20-2009, 00:42

Double A is confirmed not to be either of the killers.

CR

Um... how? Last I heard he was your top suspect. Even Louis thought Double A was the best choice and that was after he was dead. You're now hiding info from both of us?

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 00:47

Captain Blackadder

10-20-2009, 00:51

Splitpersonality

10-20-2009, 00:53

I always had a weakness for the lookers....

EDIT: Why am I doing anything anymore in this game? I have no credibility and no gold anymore, so **** it, Imma just lurk and post troll comments for the rest of the game.

According to sources, you have about 180 gold, that is certainly not "no gold"

;)

I think you're quite credible ACIN <3

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 00:56

According to sources, you have about 180 gold, that is certainly not "no gold"

;)

I think you're quite credible ACIN <3

I used to have 200+ and was hoping to have the most at the end of the game.

And thanks, its good to know there are those that still listen. :)

Splitpersonality

10-20-2009, 01:01

I have no reason to mistrust you, from the little information I've been given at least.

:D

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 01:04

Um... how? Last I heard he was your top suspect. Even Louis thought Double A was the best choice and that was after he was dead. You're now hiding info from both of us?I was suspicious of Double A indeed. I am however going over today's information that has led me to now think Double A is not scum.

ACIN - you have not lost your credibility. You paying me off with ten gold each turn provided you with lots of credibility and little credit indeed but You are not on the (rapidly shrinking) shortlist of suspects.

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 01:10

I was suspicious of Double A indeed. I am however going over today's information that has led me to now think Double A is not scum.

ACIN - you have not lost your credibility. You paying me off with ten gold each turn provided you with lots of credibility and little credit indeed but You are not on the (rapidly shrinking) shortlist of suspects.

I never paid you anything, I don't know why you have that on there and crossed through.

But thanks about my credibility, it just seems like this last guy is really entrenched to be an average townie. I want someone to be straightforward though, was i role blocked?

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 01:17

This thread is perhaps not my audience for my humour.

* wipes rotten tomatoes off face, gets coat *

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 01:20

Oh there i go again, still in serious business mode.

Askthepizzaguy

10-20-2009, 01:22

Only the dead have a sense of humor. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-20-2009, 01:26

Vote:Mutiny

I don't find the current captain deserving...

I do agree with what was said earlier (I think by pizza?) about the dead not bolding their votes. It makes it tough for the game host and for the other living players as well.

I'll vote for lynch when I finish going back through the thread, have a lead on something.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 01:27

EDIT: A reminder, Sasaki, you are dead as well, so kindly unbold your vote ~;p

Hmm. My mind towards towards CDF more and more.

He had a successful protection on night one, but not since then.

Almost everyone else has had a successful protection on a night when the maven solo killer was operating, or a confirmed role or confirmed in some other action.

Perhaps he can suggest a better choice, though.

I want someone to be straightforward though, was i role blocked?

Yes.

CR

Death is yonder

10-20-2009, 01:30

Vote: Abstain

And an FoS on LordWinter for your sudden decline in activity as opposed to your early game, your last post may have been 4 days ago but you were last online 18 hours ago, stop lurking :whip:

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-20-2009, 01:31

EDIT: A reminder, Sasaki, you are dead as well, so kindly unbold your vote ~;p

Hmm. My mind towards towards CDF more and more.

He had a successful protection on night one, but not since then.

Almost everyone else has had a successful protection on a night when the maven solo killer was operating, or a confirmed role or confirmed in some other action.

Perhaps he can suggest a better choice, though.

Yes.

CR

I don't even care. I have had no successful protections because the targets you chose for me have not been attacked. Is that my fault?

for god sake just lynch me or Vig me, don't ask me who I think is the last maven, cause I have no idea.

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 01:32

Yes.

CR

Why?

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 01:38

I suspected you guys might be attacking someone who I didn't want attacked.

for god sake just lynch me or Vig me, don't ask me who I think is the last maven, cause I have no idea.
:inquisitive:
Well that is the whole point of the game - if you have no suspects why not read a bit of the thread and see if you come upon one?

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 01:38

I was suspicious of Double A indeed. I am however going over today's information that has led me to now think Double A is not scum.

Well, that was enlightening.:inquisitive:

I suppose I'll toe the line yet again though. I wouldn't want CR to get all paranoid or anything and think I'm scum because I don't agree with everything he says.

Unvote; Vote: CDF

Centurion1

10-20-2009, 01:40

i trust cdf. I think we should wait one more turn before making any judgments like that cr

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 01:44

I suspected you guys might be attacking someone who I didn't want attacked.

CR

I don't take kindly to authority shutting me down.

Vote: mutiny

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-20-2009, 01:48

I suspected you guys might be attacking someone who I didn't want attacked.

:inquisitive:
Well that is the whole point of the game - if you have no suspects why not read a bit of the thread and see if you come upon one?

CR

Dude I am trying to juggle a IH, one small mafia, one Small game I am hosting, a PBM, trying to figure out a way to get a NEW PBM going, Plus Battle Royale. And of course real life. :juggle2: I read the thread, bu I hardly have any time to analyze it.

I had a good enough run early on and helped you find a watchstander, so if I die I will die knowing I helped the town. :shrug: if you want to go ahead and put me out of my misery. I get to say I told you so however. as is my right :tongue:

No hard feelings though, I get how trying to organize the whole ship would be tough. :yes: You need suspects and frankly, I always look scummy. :yes:

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 01:56

I don't take kindly to authority shutting me down.

Vote: mutinyMate, we are trying to clear you, lest your horseman group suspect you of not having sending in orders. Only three of you showed up, so the others will want to know what happened. And before they start pointing fingers at you, we clear it up.

That is, we have been on your side this whole day.

:balloon2:

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 02:09

Mate, we are trying to clear you, lest your horseman group suspect you of not having sending in orders. Only three of you showed up, so the others will want to know what happened. And before they start pointing fingers at you, we clear it up.

That is, we have been on your side this whole day.

No need to get all cranky. (And would you please be so kind to give me a polite answer to my PM? It's just a game. )

I made a deal with the F.H. that since I have been supporting them they would help me kill Reenk. I supported him then he posts a secret message from me publicly meant to truly see if he was good or not. I will be honest, I wanted to get him as a matter of revenge not because I thought he was mafia. I should not have been role blocked though.

Centurion1

10-20-2009, 02:18

ACIN you really tried to base a kill off revenge in a game like this. Thats sort of scummy.......

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 02:18

I made a deal with the F.H. that since I have been supporting them they would help me kill Reenk.

Supporting them? Are you not one of them?

I should not have been role blocked though.

You go to kill a likely watchstander based on a personal vendetta and you say you should not have been role blocked? :inquisitive:

CR

Seamus Fermanagh

10-20-2009, 02:22

Why would you alert the target of an investigation that they were about to be investigated?

The answer to that is ALWAYS "politics."

Seamus Fermanagh

10-20-2009, 02:28

I have been shamelessly lurking all game, laddies, aye, I have. It's burnt toast I've been from writing and working to catch up on RL after living in NJ for a stretch. Think a bit on those games where I have lurked and you'll see its NOT me as mafia that my lurking signifies.....

Unvote: Lord Winter (though he's lurked as shamelessly as me).

Vote:Taka

Reenk Roink

10-20-2009, 02:55

Vote: ACIN FoS: Cent1, TinCow, CR

Centurion1

10-20-2009, 03:00

Unvote; vote: ACIN

no room for petty squabbles on this ship lads, resolve yer issues now

FOS: Reenk Roink

you aint 100% clear yet laddie

atheotes

10-20-2009, 03:20

Splitpersonality

10-20-2009, 03:24

Vote:CDF

I am not sure what is going on, but I think he is the most likely suspect right now.

A1_Unit

10-20-2009, 03:28

unvote vote:ACIN Sorry but I have to bandwagon so the Mutiny won't win.
:bow:

scotchedpommes

10-20-2009, 03:35

Vote: Mutiny

*continues hopeless rowing / paddle / splash / movement*

Tratorix

10-20-2009, 03:36

Where in blazes did this sudden surge of votes for ACIN come from? :dizzy2:

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 03:38

Sigh, fine i won't go after Reenk anymore. geeze. the fact you are all bandwagoning on a confirmed townie because he wanted revenge on a confirmed townie has a sort of sad irony.

Splitpersonality

10-20-2009, 03:38

It's a pointless badnwaggon on an innocent member.

I don't really see how someone who was apparntly roleblocked, yet kills still occoured, is guilty.

FoS: Any ACIN votes, if you want to bandwaggon at least go for someone who's being suspected...

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 03:38

Where in blazes did this sudden surge of votes for ACIN come from? :dizzy2:

I am being used as a scapegoat.

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 03:42

ACIN you really tried to base a kill off revenge in a game like this. Thats sort of scummy.......

Of course. I am a scummy guy in mafia in general. That's how I play. I am confirmed townie however by the officers so....

Supporting them? Are you not one of them?

You go to kill a likely watchstander based on a personal vendetta and you say you should not have been role blocked? :inquisitive:

CR

No I am not one of them, I just support them for their efforts and defend them so no one attempts to pin the last mafia on them and try to kill them all off.

Yes. Obviously, I may be in the wrong here but that is my stance.

A Very Super Market

10-20-2009, 03:46

Vote: taka

I can confirm acin's statements.

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 03:47

Unvote; vote: ACIN

no room for petty squabbles on this ship lads, resolve yer issues now

FOS: Reenk Roink

you aint 100% clear yet laddie

And here.....we go.

Hey Centurion I see that you are eager to jump on the bandwagon to kill me. And I see that you admit your reasoning behind the bandwagon is because I am having a squabble with another townie and not because of any actual connection or evidence that I am the last mafia (which it has been proved I am not repeatedly).

I also like how apparently right after voting for the guy attempting to kill an innocent townie for revenge you immediately call out the finger of suspicion on the townie that everyone is hassling me for attempting to kill.

unvote; vote: Centurion1

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 05:13

Is everyone going to ignore my rebuttal?

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 05:13

ACIN seems like a good choice. We can have the final results on Reenk and CDF in the next day phase.

CR

White_eyes:D

10-20-2009, 05:19

eerrrr....He is a townie right?:inquisitive:

Why lynch a townie? I think we need to cross others off the list....:shrug:

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 05:21

ACIN seems like a good choice. We can have the final results on Reenk and CDF in the next day phase.

CR

lol yay. I guess CR has decided to abandon his offering of calling everyone off if I were to give him the F.H. names.

See, if I were to be killed, I actually think this is the best way it could turn out. I wanted as much lulz as possible out of this game, and now I get to be a scapegoat even though I am confirmed townie by Louis, and the last mafia guy gets to kill for another night which is lol for me because this proves my point about why I don't think the officers should be trusted in the first place. way to follow your leaders everyone! lets go kill the innocent guy for making waves! Bandwagoners unite!

To the last remaining mafia guy out there, please contact me if I am lynched. I would really like to talk to you if I am knocked out of this game.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 05:30

lol yay. I guess CR has decided to abandon his offering of calling everyone off if I were to give him the F.H. names.

Well since you didn't give me any names...

It's simple; the rapier killer only appeared these last two nights. ACIN isn't a member of the 'four horsemen'; as I understand it he only joined them in the attack on Reenk last night.

Now, since the 'four horsemen' weren't operating two nights ago - likely some of them went for the treasure - and if ACIN replaced one of them in the hit on Reenk, then it seems possible that the rapier killer might be the member ACIN replaced, but who's still alive.

CR

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 05:34

Well since you didn't give me any names...

It's simple; the rapier killer only appeared these last two nights. ACIN isn't a member of the 'four horsemen'; as I understand it he only joined them in the attack on Reenk last night.

Now, since the 'four horsemen' weren't operating two nights ago - likely some of them went for the treasure - and if ACIN replaced one of them in the hit on Reenk, then it seems possible that the rapier killer might be the member ACIN replaced, but who's still alive.

CR

Like i said in my message to you. They didn't want to accidentally kill an innocent and get a lynch going on them.

Reenk Roink

10-20-2009, 05:48

And here.....we go.

Hey Centurion I see that you are eager to jump on the bandwagon to kill me. And I see that you admit your reasoning behind the bandwagon is because I am having a squabble with another townie and not because of any actual connection or evidence that I am the last mafia (which it has been proved I am not repeatedly).

I also like how apparently right after voting for the guy attempting to kill an innocent townie for revenge you immediately call out the finger of suspicion on the townie that everyone is hassling me for attempting to kill.

unvote; vote: Centurion1

This makes so much sense to me for some reason. :dizzy2: I feel like I am being used in a game between all these different people with power. I feel that ACIN and the 4 horseman are also using me but the fact is they might also be being used and might want to break that. Had CR not saved me I'd have voted mutiny by now but he said to "give him some time" and it seems like people are opening their eyes which is all I want, not to go and kill the captain if he's legit.

unvote, vote Centurion1 Caught investigating by me, OK, but also saved... seems like a ploy... :inquisitive:

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 05:55

:rolleyes:

I organized the protection on Centurion1, because he's a watchstander, which is why he was, you know, investigating.

You know that, and you also know that he can't be either of the killers left.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

10-20-2009, 06:04

miotas

10-20-2009, 06:10

I am very confused at this point.

vote: Centurion1

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 06:11

So when I pm'd 4 people at the start of the game, trying to form a group, they turned out to be:

A watchstander (cent)
A mafioso (scottish)
2 accidental masons (LG and woad)

No wonder I had trouble getting something started :dizzy2:

Combine that with your abbreviated Pentangeli reclamation effort from Capo III and you may just be the unluckiest organizer ever. :laugh4:

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 06:17

I am very confused at this point.

Let me unconfuse you:
Do not vote for centurion1.
:stare:

CR

miotas

10-20-2009, 06:21

Once people stop voting for my mate, who I know is a townie, then I will remove my vote from the person with the second highest number of votes.

CountArach

10-20-2009, 06:24

Vote: Mutiny

Clearly this current administration has been a disaster for the crew of this fine vessel.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 06:24

miotas

10-20-2009, 06:26

Just sticking by me mates.

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 06:28

So you're voting for a known watchstander? Are you trying to hold the town hostage or something?

EDIT: Sheesh, why don't all you dead british and maven just go and try to take over the Flying Dutchman?

CR

So we vote for for a known watchstander or we vote for a known townie. You can't blame the dead people for calling for a mutiny with the choices the officers have presented the town.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 06:30

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 06:38

You weren't even presented as a choice, ACIN. People started voting for you because you admitted to going after a different watchstander because of a personal vendetta.

Now, you try to get a different watchstander killed to save your skin.

CR

When did I say anything about saving my skin? I said my peace in regards to the votes on me and then I played my townie role like a good player by casting suspicion on a suspicious post made by centurion1.

One person voted for me before I even turned on my computer today. I believe it was...shlin28? He didn't put a reason so I can't tell you why he did that.

miotas

10-20-2009, 06:53

If there's a choice between someone I know is not mafia, and someone probably isn't then I'll stick with the one who is my mate my mate. I'm not going after the watchman or trying to hold the town ransom, it's just that he happened to be the one with the second most votes.

And ACIN hasn't asked me to save his skin, but maybe I shouldn't be trying since his agressive posting and serious buisness attitude is what's got him into this mess in the first place :tongue:

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 07:03

And ACIN hasn't asked me to save his skin, but maybe I shouldn't be trying since his agressive posting and serious buisness attitude is what's got him into this mess in the first place :tongue:

What can I say? Work hard, play hard.

LittleGrizzly

10-20-2009, 07:27

Vote Mutiny!

Diana Abnoba

10-20-2009, 07:45

OMG guys, you are shooting yourselves in the foot with your own gun. CUT THE CRAP! Stop this bickering among yourselves, and focus on the only mafia left. He must be laughing at all of you, and loving that you all can't get it together enough to find just one more mafia, him. Town we are this close, don't mess it up now. Take your vote off known watchstanders and townies! :smash: :wall:

a completely inoffensive name

10-20-2009, 07:51

I need to go to bed, so i won't be able to defend myself until after the round ends.

I just want to say a few things after looking over the past discussion:

We need to take the list of people left and begin crossing off those that are confirmed to be good people.
We shouldn't be voting for Centurion1, because he is known to be a townie.
We shouldn't be voting for Reenk because he is known to be a townie.
We shouldn't be voting for me because I am known to be townie.
And we shouldn't be voting for a mutiny because its obvious that its only support has been from dead people.

Lets stop all the accusations and regroup and mobilize for another chance at deducing who our suspects are. We have 20+ people I think that we can abstain for one round, take a hit and then move from there, calmer and more organized and catch this guy before we even get down to 18 people.

All in all, I think in the past few days everyone has been wasting their time and energy on stupid things (including me) instead of working together.

So my final decision.
unvote Centurion1; vote: abstain

Subotan

10-20-2009, 09:04

Good advice ACIN :yes:

Double A

10-20-2009, 12:02

No need to up our body count guys.

vote: Abstain

Yaropolk

10-20-2009, 12:38

Yaropolk

10-20-2009, 13:04

Also would like to point out that CR warned CDF that he would be investigated tonight, and a mafia hit still occured. Either CDF has to transport his cojones in a wheelbarrow or he's not mafia.

Subotan

10-20-2009, 13:44

Maybe we should compiule a list of potential mafia :juggle:

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 14:19

Maybe we should compiule a list of potential mafia :juggle:My lists of Maven and of Rapier are narrowed down to exactly one person each. This game is over.

I don't do dead reveals (to busy anyway bossing around the mutinous dead scum Sasaki, Sigurd, Pizza, Pevergreen in Davy Jones' locker. Keep scrubbing them barnacles, you treacherous scum!:whip:).

But the scum are not ACIN and Centurion.

TinCow

10-20-2009, 14:42

My lists of Maven and of Rapier are narrowed down to exactly one person each. This game is over.

If you know who they are, could you kindly tell us so that we can lynch one of them?

Sigurd

10-20-2009, 14:59

My lists of Maven and of Rapier are narrowed down to exactly one person each. This game is over.

I don't do dead reveals

In public maybe...
I'll tell ya a secret, the maven saboteurs are no longer onboard, ya are dealing with more sinister scum than the Maven and the English. Take heed, for the enemy is leading you all by the nose.

to busy anyway bossing around the mutinous dead scum Sasaki, Sigurd, Pizza, Pevergreen in Davy Jones' locker. Keep scrubbing them barnacles, you treacherous scum!:whip:.

I am the capt'n on the flying Dutchman and since ya are the new guy we need the head cleaned.

Bytheway, remember to vote: Mutiny. There is 20 Gold to each vote waiting for ya in the hold.
Look aft seamen - Do you see the black sails of the flying Dutchman?

Andres

10-20-2009, 15:05

I am the capt'n on the flying Dutchman and since ya are the new guy we need the head cleaned.

I don't recall your election :inquisitive:

Vote : Mutiny on the Flying Dutchman

Sigurd

10-20-2009, 15:11

I don't recall your election :inquisitive:

Vote : Mutiny on the Flying Dutchman
I was elected before ya died. Now get back to yellin at the men Quartermaster!!!!

Andres

10-20-2009, 15:27

I was elected before ya died. Now get back to yellin at the men Quartermaster!!!!

You are not, by any chance, a dead Maven, trying to cause as much confusion as possible to allow your surviving scumbuddy to walk by unnoticed?

I am the one and only "dead mafioso - master obfuscator" and I will not allow a dead, rotten maven maggot to even try to think that he believes that he thinks to be able to claim something that resembles to that title.

A1_Unit

10-20-2009, 15:36

unvote vote:Abstain ACIN was roleblocked so he can't have done the killing last night... we need a better target.

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 15:42

I am the one and only "dead mafioso - master obfuscator"

...that is currently not hosting. :grin:

Yaropolk

10-20-2009, 16:08

Someone want to do a tally?

Centurion1

10-20-2009, 16:09

Unvote; Vote: abstain

unless i see something good. ACIN is a confirmed townie and i did not know that. Reenk is also a bad choice we are about to get full investigation results on him and he may be a rgue watchstander either way we should wait one more turn until we decide about him. as well as with CDF.

FOS: SSNEOWhat are you been up to? besides randomly voting mutiny whicch all the mafia want and is obviously counter productive

oh and yeah im a watchstander, since everyone in this game knows why even hide it.....

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 16:56

I may not be around to close voting at the 14:00 deadline (about 2 hours from now). If this isn't the case, voting will be extended until I log on and close it.

Reenk Roink

10-20-2009, 17:10

Vote: RR

Either he's scum or a watchstander who hasn't shared his results with the town at all. Either way he's of no use to us. ACIN etc please shift your votes to RR from Centurion. At least the latter is a confirmed watchstander who's been helping us.

CR - I asked you yesterday if last night's investigation will clear RR. You replied yes, but clearly it did not. Let's lynch him. I'm not interested in waiting beyond the promised time.

Unvote, vote: Yaropolk

Why is this guy still alive? I remember my hard work nearly got him lynched one round but Sasaki was acting too British I guess (should have doubled lynched).

CR, for once in your life tell your crew that I have been cooperating with you fully... :whip: Also CR, tell me why he shouldn't be considered a suspect, going after a Watchstander more confirmed than even Cent?

P.S: CR lies about a lot of things in my experience, especially those who have been "fully investigated" :wink:

Sigurd

10-20-2009, 17:42

Subotan

10-20-2009, 17:48

Dead men should tell no tales.

Also, Unvote:Taka, Vote:Yaropolk. He has been noticeably scummy the whole voyage, and I've been keeping an eye on him in the event that it's just a blip.

It's not.

A1_Unit

10-20-2009, 17:52

unvote vote:Yaropolk He's a good suspect right now.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-20-2009, 18:07

Tally:

Mutiny : 18 (Sigurd, Khazaar, A1 Unit, Sasaki, ATPG, Chaotix, ACIN, ex-Quartermaster, WE:D, Andres, Tratorix, Diana Abnoba, Capt'n of the FD, Beefy, Louis, SSNeo, CA, LG)

It seems we are way past the 50% mutiny vote. I guess this is it: Bye Bye CR :beam:

I voted for it twice but you only have me on here once :bow:

A1_Unit

10-20-2009, 18:12

I didn't vote for Mutiny. :tongue:

Sigurd

10-20-2009, 18:16

I didn't vote for Mutiny. :tongue:
You quoted one that did... This is sufficient according to the rules.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 18:21

Yaropolk has been cleared as an uncorruptible townie!
:wall:

It seems we are way past the 50% mutiny vote. I guess this is it: Bye Bye CR
Well have fun...throwing a mutiny on The Flying Dutchman. :rolleyes:

CR

Subotan

10-20-2009, 18:50

Yaropolk has been cleared as an uncorruptible townie!
:wall:

Oh. You do realise that the Mafia are incorruptible, right?

Yaropolk

10-20-2009, 18:51

I'm a steward... who has followed officer orders from day 1. Way to lynch me. My fos is still on rr but unvote vote: acin to save my hide

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 18:56

Oh. You do realise that the Mafia are incorruptible, right?

Well, as he said, he's a steward, with actions proven in the write up.

CR

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 19:00

Voting closed.

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 19:14

We have a tie vote between taka and Yaropolk, currently waiting on the officers to decide.

For the record, the new officers are Double A as First Mate and White_eyes:D as Quartermaster.

Diana Abnoba

10-20-2009, 19:41

Subotan

10-20-2009, 19:47

Haha, looks like I really screwed things up :smug:

Diana Abnoba

10-20-2009, 19:50

Tally:

Mutiny : 19 (Sigurd, Khazaar, A1 Unit, Sasaki, ATPG, Chaotix, ACIN, ex-Quartermaster, WE:D, Andres, Tratorix, Diana Abnoba, Capt'n of the FD, Beefy, Sasaki, Louis, SSNeo, CA, LG)

It seems we are way past the 50% mutiny vote. I guess this is it: Bye Bye CR :beam:

I didn't vote for mutiny, but it has been fun to watch all the other dead, trick the living, into voting for mutiny. You guys (living townies) need to at least keep a list of living players.

Subotan

10-20-2009, 19:56

I didn't vote for mutiny, but it has been fun to watch all the other dead, trick the living, into voting for mutiny. You guys (living townies) need to at least keep a list of living players.

We do, but someone keeps killing them :shrug:

TinCow

10-20-2009, 19:57

For the record, the new officers are Double A as First Mate and White_eyes:D as Quartermaster.

After all my hard work, this is the thanks I get? Have you no shame, CR? :no:

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 19:57

White_eyes:D

10-20-2009, 20:09

After all my hard work, this is the thanks I get? Have you no shame, CR? :no:

I figured you demoted to Protect yourself??:inquisitive:

Officers are most likely to die at this point....but I don't care...I am taking that scum with me:whip:

TinCow

10-20-2009, 20:14

I figured you demoted to Protect yourself??:inquisitive:

Officers are most likely to die at this point....but I don't care...I am taking that scum with me:whip:

Not at all. CR and several other people know very well that my victory conditions require me to be in the QM spot at the end of the game. That's why I investigated Sigurd at the start of the game, thus disemboweling the Mavens before they even had a chance to get off the ground. It's also why I went after ATPG so hard; I needed his job. Despite faithfully investigating exactly who CR asked me to investigate before I was QM, and protecting who he asked me to protect after I got into the QM spot, he has now tossed me out on my butt to sit here and lose the game. Fortunately, I can still roleblock even when I'm not QM, so I'll just annoy him with that until he kills me or the game is over.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-20-2009, 20:17

Not at all. CR and several other people know very well that my victory conditions require me to be in the QM spot at the end of the game. That's why I investigated Sigurd at the start of the game, thus disemboweling the Mavens before they even had a chance to get off the ground. It's also why I went after ATPG so hard; I needed his job. Despite faithfully investigating exactly who CR asked me to investigate before I was QM, and protecting who he asked me to protect after I got into the QM spot, he has now tossed me out on my butt to sit here and lose the game. Fortunately, I can still roleblock even when I'm not QM, so I'll just annoy him with that until he kills me or the game is over.

See, and no one agreed with me when I voted mutiny back on page 5 :whip:

TinCow

10-20-2009, 20:23

See, and no one agreed with me when I voted mutiny back on page 5 :whip:

I would have done it today if it hadn't been for the fact that I still held out hope that CR wasn't going to backstab me. He didn't even give me the courtesy to inform me about it before GH announced it.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 20:37

That's because I suspect you of being the rapier killer, Tincow.

You're completely immune to investigation during the night, so we can't confirm you're doing what you say. Further, the rapier killings only started after you became QM.

And finally, centurion1 was attacked by the rapier killer after I had posted in the officers-only Quicktopic that he wouldn't receive protection that night (though he obviously did).

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 20:45

Since I'm sure CR is PMing everyone with his paranoia about how scumtastic I am, I'll put the evidence out for everyone to see. You see, CR thinks I'm the rapier killer. Let's take a look here. First, this is me:

Your role is:

The Italian

Fortunes made in no time are like shirts made in no time; it's ten to one if they hang long together.
~ Douglas William Jerrold

Back home, you lived the high life expected of the son of a wealthy Genoese merchant. You were educated in the finest schools and knew nothing but the best of everything. Art, literature, mathematics, etiquette, nothing has escaped your knowledge. Some of your competitors may think otherwise, but you know the end of Genoa’s mercantile power is looming. The Mediterranean is no longer the hub of trade, wealth now flows from the Americas, India, and beyond. Hoping to found a trade house of your own, you set off to explore the opportunities of the New World. But everywhere you went you found the British, French, or Spanish in unassailable control of the markets.

You were drowning your sorrows in one of the finer taverns in Charleston when the attack came. While all others around you were running for their lives, your financial mind came to an epiphany. The only part of the New World not controlled by Genoa’s rivals was right before your eyes: the Pirates. In the confusion of the sack, you slipped aboard the Presence, disguised as one of her crew. You were trying to determine how best to propose a mutually profitable trade agreement with the captain when those perfidious British removed the only man with the power to negotiate with you. Ever the innovator, you adjusted your goals accordingly. If you can gain control of the ship's stores and survive until the ship reaches Nassau, perhaps other pirate captains would be willing to entertain your proposals.

Your goal: To survive, and to be the Quartermaster at game’s end. You may tell the other sailors whatever you wish to accomplish this mission, for this is the only way you can personally obtain a victory.

Powers: As a highly educated man, you have skills that will serve you well during your time aboard:
- You may investigate one person a night. Results may vary.
- You may roleblock one person per night. In addition to this, you will also find out how much gold they currently have.

You may do one of these two activities on a single night, but neither of them will earn you any treasure. In addition, you cannot perform the same individual action more than three consecutive nights. In lieu of this, you may also take part in the usual townie group activities (kill with at least 3 others, protect with at least 2 others) and obtain treasure. However, as you are concerned with wealth on a massive scale, the pittance available on board this particular ship means very little to you. Striking a trade agreement with the pirates of Nassau will bring you more wealth than a simple pirate could ever dream of.

Base gold: 100

(1) I can't kill. Not sure if you noticed, but the rapier killer can kill.

Next, the rapier killer has attacked on N6 and N7... both nights in which I was Quartermaster. Here is the Quartermaster role PM:

You have been appointed to:

Quartermaster

You, you, you, step forward! You three are a disgrace to salt water! Ten days’ half rations!
~ Capt. William Bligh

While in reality, pirate Quartermasters were usually elected along with the Captain, in this game they are appointed. Lucky you. The fact that they were appointed speaks to the importance and power of their role in Pirate society. As Quartermaster, you are primarily in charge of discipline on the ship, which is fast becoming unraveled thanks to the numerous threats on board the Presence. You are well-versed in the Pirate Articles and issuing punishments for those who transgress the Articles falls entirely in your jurisdiction. This is reflected in your powers.

Your goal: Using your new powers, your mission is to ensure a Presence victory while at the same time making sure you are at or near the lead in gold count. You will not be able to be converted while you are in office, even if you are susceptible. However, in the case that you are already on a different side, congratulations on your deception and continue furthering your goals.

Powers: Your nighttime abilities as Quartermaster override those you had previously. Upon your removal from office, you will get your original powers back.

- You stand a flat 50% chance of dying at night, regardless of numbers or powers.
- At night, you may submit orders to either protect one person or throw one person into the brig (prevent them from doing anything at night). As a by-product of throwing them into the brig, you will also gain an accurate report of that person’s treasure count.
- Your salary as Quartermaster is 12 pieces of treasure per night (plus 2 for submitting a night order).
- Unlike the Captain, you have a vote in the daily proceedings. If there is a tie vote, you, the Captain, and the First Mate will vote to break the tie. If the three of you cannot break that tie (say, each of you votes to execute a different person), then the Captain has the final say.
- So long as you hold this office, you cannot Abandon Ship.

Finally, in addition to your orders, you have the option to leave the Captain vulnerable at night. This is not the default option – i.e. you must specifically let me know that you are doing this. If both you and the First Mate choose to leave the Captain vulnerable for a night, then the protection his office provides is removed and he is liable to be murdered at night. The Captain does not know about this ability. Good luck!

(2) Note that the Quartermaster does not have the power to kill.
(3) Note that even if I did have the power to kill, the Quartermaster role overrides all abilities anyone had before they gained that position. We've had 4 Quartermasters now, so I'm sure that some of them can confirm that is true.

Finally..

(4) On N6, the rapier killer killed with the Maven. Thus, the rapier killer is allied with the Maven. Shall I mention again that I am the person who IDed Sigurd and got him lynched? Really? I'm a Maven ally?

So, folks... it may be game over for me, but I urge you all to take good long look at your Captain. He kicks me out of office despite pretty much everything in the game indicating that I cannot be the rapier killer, thus removing any prospect I have of victory despite how much I've helped the town.

Honestly, I hope he's the rapier killer, because otherwise this is absurd. I would like to note for the record that I never investigated CR, I didn't have enough time. I know for a fact that Louis only did a Level 1 investigation of CR, so he never got CR's role either. I also asked Beskar many times whether he investigated CR to level 3, and he never confirmed that either. Reenk obviously doesn't trust CR, so he clearly hasn't investigated him to Level 3 or if he has he hasn't found him to be innocent. Finally, there's Centurion1, who didn't even investigate at all for 4 of his first 7 nights in the game, and we all know he wasn't investigating CR last night.

So... who exactly has checked out CR? As far as I can tell... no one. :thumbsdown:

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 20:52

There could easily be a part of your PM that you aren't revealing (you didn't the part about you needing the QM position at first), that allows you to override the QM role and kill by yourself.

Also, I cannot be the rapier killer:

On the first night the rapier killer struck, I was killing ATPG.
On the second night, I was protecting Louis.

Both of these events, with my name, can be seen in GH's write ups. EDIT: Also, I have been investigated by known watchstanders and found to be a loyal seaman. The fact is, no one has investigated Tincow because he can't be investigated at night.

As for working with the Maven - crazier alliances have been known to happen. The town of the first Capo game worked with the serial killer, after all.

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 20:54

Also, I have been investigated by known watchstanders and found to be a loyal seaman.

You mind getting that person on here to confirm?

There could easily be a part of your PM that you aren't revealing (you didn't the part about you needing the QM position at first), that allows you to override the QM role and kill by yourself.

Also, I cannot be the rapier killer:

On the first night the rapier killer struck, I was killing ATPG.
On the second night, I was protecting Louis.

Both of these events, with my name, can be seen in GH's write ups.

Interesting that the entire gist of your argument is that I've got a magical role PM that can override all other game rules. I wonder what would could possibly put such an idea into your head? Knowledge of your own, perhaps? We've got several people who can verify that the QM role PM I just posted is real. No one's seen the Captain role PM but you...

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 21:17

No, that's only one part of my argument. The other part is that the rapier killer only appeared after you became QM and attacked someone only you thought would be undefended. And then the maven targeted Louis, not you.

And yes, multiple people can confirm I was investigated fully, and was inactive on nights there were killings.

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 21:26

multiple people can confirm I was investigated fully

You've been saying this all game. Like I said, this is the list of investigators:

Me - I never investigated you
Louis - I've seen all his results, he only did a level 1 investigation on you
Centurion - Didn't investigate you to Level 3. He's done only 4 investigations the entire game. The last one we all know was CDF and Reenk. On Night 5 he didn't do you, which leaves 2 investigations left. Obviously he never got to Level 3 on you either.
Reenk - You were claiming you'd been investigated as innocent long before we ever came in contact with Reenk, so he's obviously not the one who did it.
Beskar - I've talked with Beskar regularly since about the second night of the game. I asked him repeatedly whether you'd been investigated fully, and never got a confirmation about it.

So, at most, the only person who can confirm it is Beskar, which clearly doesn't count as "multiple people." Even then, I've yet to hear him say it, which is strange. Why won't you ID the people who can vouch for you? ATPG gave everyone's info to the mafia anyway, so what are you trying to hide?

Seamus Fermanagh

10-20-2009, 21:27

Curioser and curioser said Alice. :inquisitive:

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 21:31

It was Beskar who told me he had investigated me, and Louis who did an investigation that showed I was inactive on a night when people were killed.

I see you continue to dodge the main points of my reasons for suspecting you.
:inquisitive:
CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 21:36

It was Beskar who told me he had investigated me, and Louis who did an investigation that showed I was inactive on a night when people were killed.

Well, let's hear Beskar say it then. As for being inactive, you were inactive on Night 4... what does that prove? Everyone know that night I was making a kill attempt on ATPG, so I guess that makes me innocent too?

I see you continue to dodge the main points of my reasons for suspecting you.
:inquisitive:
CR

Your reasoning being that the rapier person appeared after I got into the QM spot and that he attacked Centurion? First of all, I have no idea why the rapier person started killing on N6, so how am I supposed to rebut that? As for attacking Centurion, the mafioso are clearly trying to kill the investigators. I'm not sure if you notice, but all 3 people they've attacked in the last 2 nights were capable of investigating. Their reason for their choice of targets seems to be pretty obvious. As you said, I'm immune to investigation... so why would I care about killing detectives even if I was scum?

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 21:45

TinCow

10-20-2009, 21:49

Ah, but both the maven and rapier killer attacked Beskar together, only a couple nights after the maven attacked beskar alone. It makes me think they thought they could punch through any protection if they attacked together.

And then, they attacked two different targets the night after that. Now, if they could combine to have a better chance of killing a protected person, why wouldn't they combine to attack centurion1? Why would they think centurion would go without protection after the first watchstander had been protected?

Unless, of course, the rapier killer is you. :stare: And you thought centurion1 wouldn't be protected.

CR

I agree that's your strongest argument. However, since I know I didn't do it, the obvious response is that you did it yourself to frame me while your partner dispatched Louis... allowing you to completely change out the officers with people who were more compliant and less likely to disagree with you. I'm just surprised you didn't reveal all this during the lynch vote today. If I was so clearly scum, why not lynch me instead of the dross you threw at us to vote for? No, you didn't bother presenting a case... you waited to kick me out of office until it was too late for me to mutiny to try and stop you. Tonight, with my 50 percent protection gone, you'll kill me and be done with it without having to worry about the mutiny.

Andres

10-20-2009, 21:55

When TinCow claims to have a silly, weird and shady role, it's usually in the towns' interest to get rid of him.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 21:58

I'm not planning on killing you tonight, Tincow.

And your argument is nonsensical; there's absolutely no way I could have framed you. On the first night the rapier killer struck, I was killing ATPG. On the second night, last night, I was protecting Louis. You can see both in the write up.

According to you, that means I am in league with not only the last maven, but the rapier killer, and that I am not either. There's just no evidence for such a wild theory. :shrug:

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 22:02

And your argument is nonsensical; there's absolutely no way I could have framed you. On the first night the rapier killer struck, I was killing ATPG.

We have no idea what your powers are: you've never showed your role PM to anyone. You could be capable of two kills per night, one with your Captain role, one with your normal role. That makes as much sense as me having a role PM that can kill even while QM.

On the second night, last night, I was protecting Louis. You can see both in the write up.

On the second night, you were defending Louis solo AND FAILED even though there was only 1 attacker. Why would you protect Louis solo if that wouldn't actually accomplish anything?

According to you, that means I am in league with not only the last maven, but the rapier killer, and that I am not either. There's just no evidence for such a wild theory. :shrug:

Wrong, you probably are the rapier killer.

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 22:07

We have no idea what your powers are: you've never showed your role PM to anyone. You could be capable of two kills per night, one with your Captain role, one with your normal role. That makes as much sense as me having a role PM that can kill even while QM.

Well then you need the sensing part of your brain check out ~;p

On the second night, you were defending Louis solo AND FAILED even though there was only 1 attacker. Why would you protect Louis solo if that wouldn't actually accomplish anything?

I get treasure for sending in orders.

Wrong, you probably are the rapier killer.

Ah, so I can kill two people at once, and also kill a person while defending another person? That's your argument?:inquisitive:

CR

TinCow

10-20-2009, 22:13

I get treasure for sending in orders.

Ah, right... so why were you inactive on Night 4, if you care so much about treasure to do a useless protection last night?

Ah, so I can kill two people at once, and also kill a person while defending another person? That's your argument?:inquisitive:

CR

Technically, you failed to to defend another person. The way I read that, GH was just putting you in the story for color, like he has in plenty of other scenes. It makes sense since the QM role PM says we all hang out together to protect you at night. It looks to me more like you embraced that bit of storytelling as proof of an action that didn't really occur.

A1_Unit

10-20-2009, 22:34

I don't know TinCow... wouldn't an Italian gentleman know how to use a rapier...?:inquisitive:

Double A

10-20-2009, 22:50

I wouldn't truly rule out incorruptibles as the guilty party. I think that all origonal Mavens and Brits can't convert each other, because of their specific goals. And all of these serial killers that are popping up like poppies wouldn't give up their personal goals, ie kill everyone else, would join the Maven or England. They might pretend to join them, and in all regards would be treated as a regular member, but if the Maven died off they wouldn't go down with them. If the Serial Killers were corruptible then the game would be a bit unbalanced too.

And I have no friggin idea how I got promoted to First Mate, but looks like it's time to kick some Maven booty :bandana:

[Language please - GH]

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 22:54

Technically, you failed to to defend another person. The way I read that, GH was just putting you in the story for color, like he has in plenty of other scenes. It makes sense since the QM role PM says we all hang out together to protect you at night. It looks to me more like you embraced that bit of storytelling as proof of an action that didn't really occur.

And you'd be wrong:

"Really?" said the sailor, mildly off put. "That be too bad, matey, fer all that my story does is delay yer own death." In a flash, the newcomer had his cutlass out, slashing directly for Louis's neck. The First Mate was barely able to duck out of the way when Rabbit drew his own Captain's blade out and started to duel Louis's attacker.

"This be an interestin' prospect," said the attacker. "Protectin' yer mate solo? Now, unless ye be a Steward, methinks that really not be workin' out."

"Be silent," Rabbit growled. "Surrender now and I'll kill ye now instead of in front of the crew."

CR

Tratorix

10-20-2009, 23:15

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 23:16

Dead man tell no tales. I'm also otherwise fully occupied with taking over the Flying Dutchman to rule the underworld with an iron fist together with my co-officer, Andres.

But everybody can tell I've stood by my captain, Crazed Rabbit, whether dead or alive. And I say Rabbit will lead this ship, and this crew, into safety. :pirate:

Louis VI the Fat

10-20-2009, 23:19

CR, I believe you're dodging the most important question here. Why would you even try a solo protection if you aren't capable of it? You could get treasure just for sending in an order to do nothing, yet you chose to protect solo, which could have endangered your life. You risked far more than you had to gain from it. :inquisitive:You know how Churchill described the Royal Navy: 'The naval tradition? It is nothing more than rum, sodomy and the lash'.

This explains why Rabbit and I hang out together at night. We share a mutual...erm, 'interest' in sodo tasting all the exquisite rum aboard this ship.

Subotan

10-20-2009, 23:20

I don't know TinCow... wouldn't an Italian gentleman know how to use a rapier...?:inquisitive:

Depends. There were plenty of uncouth Italian merchants as well.

GeneralHankerchief

10-20-2009, 23:26

Day 9

*Bang* *Bang* *Bang*

There was a rhythmic pounding on the Captain's Cabin's door all day as most of the remaining sailors on the Presence demanded direction from their leader. Captain Crazed Rabbit, meanwhile, no longer having anyone's confidence and still distraught over the death of Louis, had retreated deep into the cabin, not even acknowledging all of the calls for leadership until late in the day.

"All right," he said when he finally emerged at sunset. "What have ye got fer me today?"

The crew screamed several names at him. "ACIN!" "Seamus!" "Drizzt!" "Abstain!" But none were as frequently mentioned as taka and Yaropolk. Upon realizing that those were the two candidates with the most votes, Rabbit furrowed his brow and scowled.

"These be horrible choices," he said to the crew.

A couple of sailors, finally fed up with Rabbit's isolationism, fired back. "Well, Cap'n," they said, "maybe if ye deemed to spend some o'yer oh-so-precious time with the common folk, input during the discussions, give us an obvious lead, maybe ye'd be more satisfied with our choices!"

"Enough of this," Rabbit replied, now in an even fouler mood than before. "So the vote's tied, aye?" When there were no correcting statements, he continued on. "All right, mateys, guess this tie be needin' resolvin'. And to do so, I be needin' some officers to help me out. So as of now, Double A and White_eyes:D be yer new First Mate and Quartermaster, respectively." He waited as the two new officers took their positions beside their Captain, ignoring TinCow's howls of protest over being sacked as Quartermaster.

"Right," Rabbit continued over TinCow's swearing, "the officers and I will now resolve this tie. Shouldn't take too long." At this, he and the two new officers retired into the cabin to make their decision. As Rabbit promised, it was quick, this debate lasting less than ten minutes. After emerging from the cabin for the second time, the Captain did not mince words.

"It be taka," he said. "Grab him."

Now taka's loud protestations joined TinCow's, creating a small but manageable cacophony aboard the ship. There was one time when the crew would have simply been encouraged by this, and egged on by taka's not taking his fate gracefully, would have subjected him to even worse treatment. However, this was a different group. Harrowing circumstances had changed them, forever haunted them. Now, they simply tuned taka out. Now, they would drink, but do so in lonely silences, each man retreating to his own special corner of the ship.

Now, this terrible process was little more than routine. And so, they disposed of taka in a routine manner. Afterwards, each of them went their own separate ways, the ship now roomy enough to keep everybody occupied with their own thoughts.

And in the Captain's Cabin, despite it being newly repopulated with officers, one could find the loneliest man on board, possibly even in the New World. Crazed Rabbit commanded a block of wood with a barely-hanging mast, a pesky persistent killer that just couldn't seem to be smoked out, and trusted no one. It would be another long night.

Day 9 tally:

taka: 3 (White_eyes, Seamus, AVSM) :skull:
Yaropolk: 3 (Reenk, Subotan, A1)

ACIN: 2 (shlin, Yaro)
CDF: 2 (TinCow, Split)
Seamus: 2 (Kukri, taka)
Single votes: Centurion1 (miotas), Double A (CDF)

Mutiny: 1-3 (ACIN, AVSM(?), TinCow(?))

Abstained: 5 (CR, ACIN, DiY, Double A, Centurion)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is now Night 9. The round will conclude Wednesday, October 21st, at 22:00 US Eastern.

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Attacked: Centurion1 (n1, n8), LittleGrizzly (n1), taka (n2), Andres (n3), Askthepizzaguy (n4), Beskar (n5), SSNeoperestroika (n5), Reenk Roink (n8)

Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1), atheotes (n2), gibsonsg91921 (n2), Tratorix (n3), Iskander 3.1 (n3), Beefy187 (n3), scottishranger (n4), DisgruntledGoat (n4), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n5), pevergreen (n5), CountArach (n6), Psychonaut (n7), Beskar (n7), Chaotix (n7), Askthepizzaguy (n7), Louis VI the Fat (n8)

Lynched: woad&fangs (d2), Sigurd (d3), Jolt (d4), ricera10 (d5), Sasaki Kojiro (d6), Khazaar (d7), Joooray (d8), taka (d9)

Abandoned Ship: SSNeoperestroika (n7)

Committed suicide: Yaseikhaan (n6)

Removed from play: Xehh II, johnhughthom, YLC

Souls aboard (21):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Double A
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
miotas
Reenk Roink
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

Crazed Rabbit

10-20-2009, 23:26

Double A

10-20-2009, 23:33

You know how Churchill described the Royal Navy: 'The naval tradition? It is nothing more than rum, sodomy and the lash'.

This explains why Rabbit and I hang out together at night. We share a mutual...erm, 'interest' in sodo tasting all the exquisite rum aboard this ship.

What about cannibalism and necrophilia?

taka

10-20-2009, 23:58

poo, got lynched >:(

Double A

10-21-2009, 00:03

Ayup.

Louis VI the Fat

10-21-2009, 00:53

Your goal: To survive, and to be the Quartermaster
Vote TinCow fer Captain! Tincow made quite some work of trying to get himself elected captain, in several posts over a prolonged campaign.
Day 1 tally: [election of captain, that is]

Crazed Rabbit : 28 (Rabbit, Drizzt, taka, Louis, A1, Seamus, khaan, Goat, Centurion, Sigurd, atheotes, woad, slash, Joooray, Double A, Sasaki, AVSM, ATPG, Yaro, Kukri, White_eyes, Iskander, Diana, CA, pever, Reenk, DiY, ricera)
TinCow: 7 (TinCow, Winter, john, Beskar, SSNeo, gibson, Grizzly)
[other candidates]
Why would one want to be captain, if one's role desperately requires a QM position? Why not PM Rabbit and agree to withdraw your candidacy and support Rabbit, in exchange for the QM spot one so desperately needs?

Centurion1

10-21-2009, 00:55

actually beskar and i did a tier three investigation together on night two. Because he had investigated him once before we were able to do a tier three. One of our special abilities.

So poo on you tincow.

Louis VI the Fat

10-21-2009, 00:55

So when I pm'd 4 people at the start of the game, trying to form a group, they turned out to be:

A watchstander (cent)
A mafioso (scottish)
2 accidental masons (LG and woad)

No wonder I had trouble getting something started :dizzy2:This reminds me of Capo II. The first three people I PM'ed with, turned out to be:

An FBI detective (Proletariat)
A rogue detective (KukriKhan)
A mafia made (Andres)

(Poor Andres. He was late by such a narrow margin. :beam:)

I want this game to finish tonight. Lest somebody surpass my 626 gold at the last minute. (Tip: those four girlymen of the apocalypse pay out handsomely when put under pressure! :tongue:)

Louis VI the Fat

10-21-2009, 00:57

And I have no friggin idea how I got promoted to First Mate, but looks like it's time to kick some Maven booty :bandana:Arr! But will ye be a girlie officer, like that wuss Pizza, and always, always, organise protections on yourself? :girl:

Or will ye be a manly officer, like Louis, who foresaked protection to have his crew members protected? :pirate:

TinCow

10-21-2009, 01:11

Tincow made quite some work of trying to get himself elected captain, in several posts over a prolonged campaign.
Why would one want to be captain, if one's role desperately requires a QM position? Why not PM Rabbit and agree to withdraw your candidacy and support Rabbit, in exchange for the QM spot one so desperately needs?

Because I also have to be alive. Immunity from death is attractive for that reason.

Double A

10-21-2009, 01:13

I pick... the third option!

White_eyes:D

10-21-2009, 01:53

Don't worry....TinCow will be in the brig tonight:whip:

Death is yonder

10-21-2009, 02:21

:dizzy2::dizzy2:

miotas

10-21-2009, 03:27

CR, I believe you're dodging the most important question here. Why would you even try a solo protection if you aren't capable of it? You could get treasure just for sending in an order to do nothing, yet you chose to protect solo, which could have endangered your life. You risked far more than you had to gain from it. :inquisitive:

This is actually something that I considered doing at one point, since even if none of your "partners" were to send in their orders then you would still get the ten gold for a successful protection, as long as your protectee was still alive at the end of the night.

EDIT
Of course this would fail if your protectee was attacked, but if you were good at picking those who weren't going to be attacked then it would be a good way to earn gold on your own.

a completely inoffensive name

10-21-2009, 03:34

I still miss Billy Mays.

KukriKhan

10-21-2009, 04:07

You've been saying this all game. Like I said, this is the list of investigators:

Me - I never investigated you
Louis - I've seen all his results, he only did a level 1 investigation on you
Centurion - Didn't investigate you to Level 3. He's done only 4 investigations the entire game. The last one we all know was CDF and Reenk. On Night 5 he didn't do you, which leaves 2 investigations left. Obviously he never got to Level 3 on you either.
Reenk - You were claiming you'd been investigated as innocent long before we ever came in contact with Reenk, so he's obviously not the one who did it.
Beskar - I've talked with Beskar regularly since about the second night of the game. I asked him repeatedly whether you'd been investigated fully, and never got a confirmation about it.

So, at most, the only person who can confirm it is Beskar, which clearly doesn't count as "multiple people." Even then, I've yet to hear him say it, which is strange. Why won't you ID the people who can vouch for you? ATPG gave everyone's info to the mafia anyway, so what are you trying to hide?

The game continues, so we missed with taka. Sorry shipmate. :bow:

Since the crewmen claiming, to ship's officers, investigative powers, have been revealed by name (and not denied by our esteemed Captain nor the named players), the ones still alive should NOW fully reveal who they investigated, when (from n1 thru now), and the results, so that all the remaining crew can scrutinize and decide for themselves.

Failing to comply should make any or all of them suspect as anti-ship, and therefore immediately lynch-able.

GeneralHankerchief

10-21-2009, 07:48

The Day 9 writeup is up (check the summary thread or Post #2412). The deadline remains the same. :yes:

Sigurd

10-21-2009, 08:24

Twentyone men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
One or more will be dead for sure
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum...

Beskar

10-21-2009, 12:18

When I see Sigurd, I think of Yoghurt.

miotas

10-21-2009, 13:01

When I see yoghurt I think of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EF98T_hgrU).

A1_Unit

10-21-2009, 21:01

We need a new list of suspects.:yes:

Double A

10-22-2009, 00:09

When I see "yoghurt" I think of British people.

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 03:00

Night 9 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

Zain

10-22-2009, 04:24

Night 9 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

How long does it usually take to make a write-up? I have been following this story just for fun. :2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 04:27

Night 9

Day breaks aboard the Presence. All is quiet.

Lord Winter had been chased for several minutes. Now, he was cornered. Now, he was begging. And the Four Horsemen were hearing none of it.

"P-please..." Lord Winter pleaded. "I-I'll give you... all of it. Everything. Just keep me alive. Spare me, please!"

The Horsemen looked at each other, chuckling. "141 gold?" one of them said. "Only 141? Jeez, Winter, that's a shame. What have you been doing all of this time?" Winter looked on, shocked. "We be greedy, aye, but fer 141 gold. split betwixt the four of us? Well, mateys, that just ain't worth the trouble. Maybe if ye join some crew in the next life, ye'll be more pro-active at acquiring some treasure so ye can be doin' some proper barterin'. Consider this a lesson, laddie."

Lord Winter opened his mouth to complain some more, but nothing came out. His head had already been separated from his body.

The time had come for Centurion1. He had survived two determined attacks, separated by a week. He had undergone significant criticism from his Captain for his lack of effectiveness Watchstanding as opposed to his partner, Beskar. But look where that had gotten Beskar. He was still alive, and still investigating. Finally, he would get some answers. His two assignments for the night had been investigated twice before. He no longer had to sort through the superficialities. Instead, he would get real, useful results. He would find the true affiliations of his targets.

His first assignment for the night was Cultured Drizzt fan. Drizzt was sleeping tonight, but Centurion was still quiet, sneaking below decks and sorting through his personal belongings. Taking them out into the moonlight to read, he skimmed through. Nothing out of the ordinary. A letter from his beloved, back in Nassau, waiting for him. No mention of the Maven. Drizzt was clean.

spL1tp3r50naL1ty was ordered by her Captain to block a different target for tonight. She had alerted the Captain of her presence very early on, explaining to him her "talents". Captain Rabbit quickly took advantage of this asset and set her to work, which she was only too happy to do. After all, satisfied men were less likely to notice that their treasure was being stolen. This is the part she didn't tell the Captain.

Her target for tonight was TinCow. Despite the former Quartermaster's extreme vocalness aboard the ship, she had never really seen him up close. She was eager to do so tonight. New conquests were always exciting, and she figured that TinCow's being an officer for so many days would give her a significant amount of plunder to pilfer.

Seeking out TinCow at night, she was prepared to execute her usual M.O. of smiling sweetly and feigning weakness. Upon spotting her target, however, something happened that she did not expect.

Her heart fluttered.

Seeing her stare open-mouthed at his dashing figure, TinCow grinned. He did not expect to be paying a visit to a woman at night, especially not one so... beautiful? He tried to brush it from his mind, but there was no denying it: She looked great.

"Take me, my love!" she breathed, and TinCow swept her up in his arms and took her to his hammock where the two of them spent the best night of their lives. Split would take no treasure from this one. Meanwhile, all thoughts of helping out his buddy one last time escaped TinCow's head. There were more important priorities right now. Like absentmindedly stroking Split's hair.

The Four Horsemen were above deck, watching the sunrise together as they celebrated another successful purge. The Captain could take all the credit he wanted to; the four of them knew they were most responsible for the well-being of the ship. Who else had killed gibson, to start the downfall of the Maven? Who else continued their run by taking out the British agent scottishranger? Who had singlehandedly destroyed the British by killing their Special Officer, CountArach, even if the mast had taken a bit of damage? The entire ship owed them a serious debt of gratitude.

One by one, they all left, retiring back below decks. A Very Super Market, miotas, and Subotan.

a completely inoffensive name was the last to go downstairs, enjoying the sunrise longer than anyone else, lost in his own thoughts. Just as he turned to join his comrades, he felt a hand grip his shoulder. He barely had time to turn around when he felt the hot, foul breath on his face.

"But... but... WHY?!?!" ACIN sputtered, his gaze transfixed on the man's sparse yellow teeth and his unearthly, glowing eyes.

"You voted to mutiny," KukriKhan said emotionlessly, raising his blunderbuss. "Mutineers must die."

Bess thundered one last time, and the Four Horsemen were no more.

Centurion1 was ready to move onto his next target, Reenk Roink. Reenk was not in his hammock, which made the job that much easier. Centurion rifled through his heavy, heavy bag, the time taking much longer this time.

"Wow," he muttered, "Reenk has a *lot* of treasure. Didn't know a fellow Watchstander was so concerned about making money. We have the Officers' Club waiting for us back home, after all." He continued searching for several minutes, before he finally found a piece of parchment, read over it, and gasped.

Standing orders from the Captain of the Maven, issued to Sailor Reenk Roink, to steal as much treasure from Charleston as possible and, if prudent, eliminate everyone aboard. CC'd to gibsonsg91921 and Sigurd.

Nobody else was around. Centurion had to do this himself. Drawing his cutlass, he rushed out above deck, making a beeline for the dinghies.

"Ye be too late, matey!" Reenk yelled, grinning madly from atop a dinghy that hadn't been lowered into the water yet. "I'd tell ye a story, but I'm afraid I have a date with me *true* Captain! Enjoy tellin Captain Rabbit that ye failed again, matey!" Centurion, gritting his teeth, rushed up to the dinghy in an attempt to duel Reenk, but Reenk, drawing his own cutlass, instead made a looping cutting motion, severing the dinghy's two ropes. He dropped in the water, but the boat stayed afloat despite supporting the weight of both Reenk and his hefty bag of treasure.

"Well, at least he won't be botherin' us anymore," Centurion said to himself, and made his way to the Captain's Cabin to report his findings.

The Frenchman and the Woman lay together in the hammock.

"They'll be coming after me in the morning, mon amour," TinCow said, caressing Split softly. "I'm the rapier killer, and Rabbit knows it. We'll need to abandon ship."

"Aye, my love," Split said, "I'll follow ye anywhere." The two of them arose from their hammock, making their way above deck. They had the entire ship to themselves, save for the corpses of Lord Winter and ACIN. Centurion at the moment was in the Captain's Cabin, explaining everything to Crazed Rabbit. Quickly but silently, they lowered another dinghy into the water and stepped in, Split guarding the gold and TinCow paddling.

After about an hour of paddling, they caught up with Reenk. He turned around, alarmed, but TinCow indicated that it was him, and Reenk then relaxed. The two of them exchanged a few words, shook hands, and then paddled off in separate directions.

"What did ye say to each other?" Split asked.

"We thanked each other for the help," TinCow replied. "Reenk needed more gold, and I gave it to him."

"What did you need?"

"My ship back," TinCow said. "And I will get it. Make no mistake about it, I will get my ship back."

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That morning, Captain Crazed Rabbit, already having been briefed at dawn by his final remaining Watchstander, assembled his crew for the final time. Once again, he was flanked by White_eyes and Double A, as well as his two Stewards, slashandburn and Yaropolk.

"Well boys," he said, "We're over it. Reenk was the final Maven, and he up and left. TinCow was the rapier killer, and he up and left too. I have no idea why he took Split with him, but nothing we can do about it now. Enjoy yer daily work, lads. There be no votin' today!"

Everybody cheered. Finally, they were headed home.

TinCow

10-22-2009, 04:33

Well played; I never came close to figuring out how to unseat CR without making myself scumtastic in the process. I played very much pro-town, but unfortunately the game ended for me the moment the last mafio died. When the Brits suddenly went from 5 members to 0 in the course of one night, I had no choice but to Ally with Reenk. I was counting on the Brits doing a lot more damage to the officers, and I simply could not engineer a mutiny by myself when they suddenly disappeared.

Your role is:

The Frenchman

The best thing I know between France and England is the sea.
~ Douglas William Jerrold

Back home, you lived the high life. You were educated in the finest schools and knew nothing but the best of everything. Visits to the great new palace of Versailles were not uncommon. You were the epitome of the flourishing high culture under the reign of Louis XIV. But then the Sun King died, two years ago, and frankly, life under his great-grandson (plus his regent) just hasn’t been the same. Still craving adventure, you acquired yourself a nice ship, the Presence, and set off to the New World. There was just one problem: In a bout of trickery, you lost your ship to an enterprising pirate captain. Stranded, but still with a considerable amount of resources, you have been working to get it back ever since.

Right around the time of the sack of Charleston, you finally made your move, joining the ship’s crew and hoping to work your way from the inside. The presence of those perfidious British aboard have complicated matters somewhat, but, ever the innovator, you adjust your goals accordingly.

Your goal: To survive, and to be in command of the Presence at game’s end. You may tell the other sailors whatever you wish to accomplish this mission, for this is the only way you can personally obtain a victory.

Powers: A dashing swashbuckler in the prime of your life, you have several skill sets that will serve your well during your time aboard:
- You may kill one person a night without the help of a partner or group. As always, your trusty rapier, a gift from the Count of Toulouse himself, is with you.
- You may investigate one person a night. Results may vary.
- You may roleblock one person per night. In addition to this, you will also find out how much gold they currently have.

You may do any one of these three activities on a single night, but none of them will earn you any treasure. In addition, you cannot perform the same individual action more than three consecutive nights. In lieu of this, you may also take part in the usual townie group activities (kill with at least 3 others, protect with at least 2 others) and obtain treasure. However, as you are already a wealthy man, treasure means very little to you. You just want your ship back and to have a good time in the process.

Finally, as a result of your skill with a rapier and overall flamboyance, you will survive the first kill attempt somebody makes on you without protection. Good luck!

Base gold: 100

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 04:40

.............wow, really Kukri?

A Very Super Market

10-22-2009, 04:55

Vote: Kukri

We all be psychopaths, but he be a sociopath

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 04:55

Thats why I got you to vote mutiny. To get KK to kill you.

My apologies to everyone I passed, my objective since day 1 was a maven victory.

ATPG - You were very useful. :yes:

I was a completely loyal townie to the end in role only. I only knew Reenk as maven until sigurd died.

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/MiEvX5fHWqPk - Myself and Reenk's cover quicktopic for when I accidently replied to all early on about checking the quicktopic (Sasaki, Andres etc)
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/bEViXS3Gw52pm Maven Quicktopic
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/yyWUDLpjHPHqd/p-1.-1.1 Officers quicktopic (When ATPG was in)
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/7eshGueB33fF5 Quicktopic to facilitate ATPG and Reenk getting in contact
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/wFYRQD4qfgnYx Maven and Brit co-operation quicktopic.
The location for the british quicktopic is at home, but I had that as well.

When I found out that one night, who was being targeted by the pro-town actions, I let Sasaki know, he carried them on to the rest. I believe they completely changed actions, for the worse.

:laugh4:

I believe I accomplished what I set out to do, confusion, misinformation and helping reenk out.

I was rather peeved that I died before i could be recruited though.

Good game to everyone, and CR: I really did think you may have been british. I didn't find out who they were until the night they died.

:bow:

Peg Leg Fred.

Reenk Roink

10-22-2009, 04:56

Maybe the roughest game for the Mafia I've ever played, definitely the roughest large/huge one.

Thanks for hosting GH! :balloon3: :balloon2: :balloon: :bow: :bow: :bow: :balloon: :balloon2: :balloon3: You are indeed very bureaucratically efficient and insane enough to succeed at hosting this kind of game.

Thanks to pevergreen for dealing with me putting him in a conflicted position. When this game started and I got my Maven role, I assumed it was like Capo where I would go and recruit willing people. So I revealed to pever and told him to jump on board. Only later did I realize that GH already determined people's susceptibility and choice had no say. pever wasn't just playing against his role just for his enjoyment, I wanna make that clear. He got stuck in a position where revealing me would make a lopsisded turn of events even worse. Thanks for all your hard work in the game pever. :bow:

Also thanks to TinCow who I was so reluctant to work with at first just because he exposed Sigurd. Playing with TinCow for the short amount of time was probably the most enjoyable for me personally, because it gave hope and interesting choices. Had we won, I would definitely have sacrificed the major Maven victory and save TinCow to get his Captain position. :yes:

:stupido:

A list of the times the Mafia (Maven-centric) got kicked in the balls this game:

1) We can't give one of us all the treasure from the start. It will actually take hard work to become rich just like the real world. :wall:

2) "Reply-to-all gate" where CR and some townies got word about pever and I and some quicktopic and getting gold. (amazingly this passed over without incident :laugh4:)

3) gibsons getting vig killed. He was our most inconspicuous member at the time. At least he set his will to Sigurd BUT...

4) Sigurd getting investigated and flagged down shortly after. This sucked so bad, his rise to Quartermaster was the high risk high reward move that only got the shaft end of the risk. No will from Sigurd either. Gamebreaker here. :sad:

5) The entire British implosion that started after Sigurd dying. Still have no idea what happened to them. Bizzare. :huh:

6) Yaropolk being so close to being lynched after me trying for many turns, but then SSNeo coming in at the last minute and killing our new friend Sasaki instead... Double whammy. :shame:

7) The British-Maven alliance's brilliant plan to double kill Beskar failing because the British did not show up... :no:

8) pever dying... ~:mecry:

9) pever pretending to be Maven. This was probably a decent idea at the time, done to get the town away from lynching the Maven as at that time Brits were still going on, but I think people saw the pevereenk connection here along with a pever-Maven connection. :shrug:

10) British completely gone... :flybye:

11) The newly crowned Maven-Frenchman alliance double killing Beskar... only to find out that it was overkill as his protectors had gone off for gold... :angry:

12) My being dismissive and uncooperative with CR (which would be something I would do as legit pro town - see Capo) coming to bite me in the back. :rolleyes:

13) Oops, watchstanders cannot protect because it doesn't say so in their role. I should probably read rules and roles more carefully, seeing how many times this has happened. :laugh4:

14) Getting it together and going forth with a bold plan to eliminate the last two investigators, only to see Centurion1 surviving the hit against him due to CR's cunning. This was the second and deeper gamebreaker for us, we knew we were boned...

15) A nice plan to exploit a growing rift between CR and the four horseman began culminating in a plan to get Centurion1 lynched! :beam: Unfortunately it broke apart at the end... :disappointed:

Also, the four horseman are by far the best protown vig group I have ever seen. I cannot believe how they just destroyed everything for the Mafia singlehandedly with probably no information from the top until later on when the damage was done. :bow: This is how you do a pro town group. Get a small group of buddies together. Come up with a cool theme (unless this was GH?). Make the right choices. :2thumbsup:

Nice job CR with running things. You had a really easy job with how it turned out, but you were actually a decent enough fellow in the captain spot, you were kind of pushy but not TOO pushy, and you did let people explain themselves. Sorry for being such a spaz to you, but it got you to let me go long enough to make my escape. :beam:

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:03

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 05:07

Just a teaser as to what's coming up, I'm working on the epilogue as we speak, whic will show everyone's final fate. I'm aiming to finish that by tonight, but it may not appear until tomorrow morning.

After that, I'm going do show the list of roles and all of their wrinkles, plus some commentary, and then finally the dramatis personae of Pirate Ship Mafia where I do a little commentary for every player's actions over the course of the game.

This was a very interesting experience for me, and I'm overall happy with how it turned out. This is, of course, thanks to all of you and your efforts. Thank you for playing, and most of all, thank you for your interest and effort. :bow: I did my best to balance this game, and you'll see exactly how I worked at this later, but for now it's clear that I still had a bit more work to do. Once the dust is cleared, I'll sit down, take a long look at everything, and eventually retool and come back with Pirate Ship Mafia II, which promises to be even crazier and more fun than this version.

Once again, thanks for playing!!! :yes:

Reenk Roink

10-22-2009, 05:09

I CREATED THE FOUR HORSEMEN **** IT! This is how I am treated! I better be mafia next game so I can take you all out.

EDIT: Here is the entire story of the Four Horsemen. I was pissed that at the very end of Capo I got killed by a random person and I disliked working for ATPG and town leaders in gneeral (I will never follow them ever, for future reference) so I decided to get my Tavern friends to make a vig group that would create choas for the town just for the sake of messing with everyone. We assigned everyone a random number and every night used a random number generator to choose who we would kill for the lulz. That's everything about the F.H. somehow probability ****** me over and we killed the bad guys and I end up being killed in the exact same way as Capo.

i swear, next mafia game someone better make me a serial killer or a mafia don because I have a lot of revenge to deal out.

:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

I wanted to join you guys so badly. Hey, I have EB connections too! I beta tested for version 0.8 and did incredible historical research like the positioning of Pyrrhos's sons. ~;p

When you PMd me ACIN, I seriously considered telling you flat out I was Maven in the hopes we could work together. However, the safer plan was definitely to rat you out and use you guys as scapegoats, since I couldn't be sure about you.

Would you actually have worked with me had I told you straight up I was Maven? Be honest.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-22-2009, 05:11

When I found out that one night, who was being targeted by the pro-town actions, I let Sasaki know, he carried them on to the rest. I believe they completely changed actions, for the worse.

:laugh4:

That was the night CA got killed right? There was nothing to change, except have khaan not offer the letter of marque to lord winter.

It was a rough game to the mafia. My support of vigilante groups is completely vindicated however :beam:

Kukri had some anti-mutineer role?

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:11

:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

I wanted to join you guys so badly. Hey, I have EB connections too! I beta tested for version 0.8 and did incredible historical research like the positioning of Pyrrhos's sons. ~;p

When you PMd me ACIN, I seriously considered telling you flat out I was Maven in the hopes we could work together. However, the safer plan was definitely to rat you out and use you guys as scapegoats, since I couldn't be sure about you.

Would you actually have worked with me had I told you straight up I was Maven? Be honest.

Yes! The plan was to guard and protect the last maven so the town would kill each other!

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 05:12

Kukri was essentially an SK with a trigger, this one being to kill anyone who mutinied. Even if you unvoted, you still weren't safe.

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:13

The next time a mafia guy/group wants to know if he can trust me.....you can trust me! I go my own path, which is usually not to the liking of town leaders.

Reenk Roink

10-22-2009, 05:14

Yes! The plan was to guard and protect the last maven so the town would kill each other!

om*g :furious3::furious3::furious3: :wall::wall::wall:

Honestly were it not for the fact that you killed a Maven and like 3 British, I would have probably been inclined to reveal. You guys were by far the best thing to watch in this game. Anyone can lynch someone based on detective results or even behavior/voting/night action analysis, but for people to randomly kill and be the major reason for town victory... :bow:

KukriKhan

10-22-2009, 05:19

.............wow, really Kukri?

Sorry, mate. It was mandatory. I had little choice since our shipmates were shy about formally voting mutiny in a legal day-phase (much to my and our Host's surprise).

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:22

Sorry, mate. It was mandatory. I had little choice since our shipmates were shy about formally voting mutiny in a legal day-phase (much to my and our Host's surprise).

yeah it all good, i don't blame you. Just as I don't blame YLC for having to kill me because I said the trigger in capo. oh well, next time I will need to plan out my strategy for maximum chaos better so I don't need to post/talk so much.

pevergreen on the other hand....:evil:

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:25

om*g :furious3::furious3::furious3: :wall::wall::wall:

Honestly were it not for the fact that you killed a Maven and like 3 British, I would have probably been inclined to reveal. You guys were by far the best thing to watch in this game. Anyone can lynch someone based on detective results or even behavior/voting/night action analysis, but for people to randomly kill and be the major reason for town victory... :bow:

I would just like to say this is why I got offended that people were praising CR for his handling of ship captain when if it wasn't for us, this would have turned out much, much worse.

I would like it somewhere in the final write up that the F.H. a vig group randomly killing people were more effective then the captains specializing in killing mafia...in killing mafia.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-22-2009, 05:31

This was a very interesting experience for me, and I'm overall happy with how it turned out. This is, of course, thanks to all of you and your efforts. Thank you for playing, and most of all, thank you for your interest and effort. :bow: I did my best to balance this game, and you'll see exactly how I worked at this later, but for now it's clear that I still had a bit more work to do. Once the dust is cleared, I'll sit down, take a long look at everything, and eventually retool and come back with Pirate Ship Mafia II, which promises to be even crazier and more fun than this version.

Once again, thanks for playing!!! :yes:

Well, I think it is almost impossible to balance a game with detectives and doctors + doctor groups and vigilante groups. The recruitment and having 2 kills bypass a protection evens it out a bit, but it makes the game susceptible to random swings. The brits could have easily ended up with 6 members by night 4, or the special officer could have voted mutiny and been killed by the SK day one.

And the F.H. are definitely the town MVP's :yes:

A Very Super Market

10-22-2009, 05:35

Wasn't really the plan. Our loyalties were basically to chaos. If at any point the pressure got too big, we would all jump ship. This is was the plan if we had killed five watchstanders or something.

(Un?)Fortunately, we ended up vigging mostly mafia, and jumping ship became a sillier prospect. In the end, we all would have survived, the ultimate nihilists, had a totally insane sailor been on board.

Oh, and GH came up with the name. In effect, we did nothing to deserve any praise.

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 05:42

pevergreen on the other hand....:evil:

You wouldn't give me info and you may have been against RR, you needed to go. Plus having no info on the FH annoyed me.

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:47

You wouldn't give me info and you may have been against RR, you needed to go. Plus having no info on the FH annoyed me.

The message he posted was obvious I was trying to help the mafia. I don't give info to anyone. Period. And I specifically planned and tried to operate the F.H. to make sure no one knew anything about the F.H. It was some good lulz.

Not a bad game actually now that I am remembering all the fun times I had coming home and seeing everyone freak out about the F.H. and then congratulating AVSM, miotas and Subotan on another awesome night of causing havoc.

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 05:49

Before I forget:

:balloon3: :balloon3: :balloon3: :balloon3:

One for each of the Four Horsemen, for being the single-most exciting thing in the game, the biggest game-changers by far, and for sending me the most-looked-forward-to PMs every single night. Congrats guys, you earned it. :yes:

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 05:52

Thank you GH. This is one balloon I can display proudly.

A Very Super Market

10-22-2009, 05:54

miotas

10-22-2009, 05:55

I CREATED THE FOUR HORSEMEN **** IT! This is how I am treated! I better be mafia next game so I can take you all out.

EDIT: Here is the entire story of the Four Horsemen. I was pissed that at the very end of Capo I got killed by a random person and I disliked working for ATPG and town leaders in gneeral (I will never follow them ever, for future reference) so I decided to get my Tavern friends to make a vig group that would create choas for the town just for the sake of messing with everyone. We assigned everyone a random number and every night used a random number generator to choose who we would kill for the lulz. That's everything about the F.H. somehow probability ****** me over and we killed the bad guys and I end up being killed in the exact same way as Capo.

i swear, next mafia game someone better make me a serial killer or a mafia don because I have a lot of revenge to deal out.

Hey, we all played our role in making the horsemen what we were, you got us to join the game, I made the first contact between all the members after the game started, you wanted to kill specific people but AVSM didn't like that idea, so you came up with the idea of random kills, and Subotan implemented the random choices with such deadly effect. It was a complete shock when so many of our random kills kept coming up as maverns or brits.

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 06:05

Hey, we all played our role in making the horsemen what we were, you got us to join the game, I made the first contact between all the members after the game started, you wanted to kill specific people but AVSM didn't like that idea, so you came up with the idea of random kills, and Subotan implemented the random choices with such deadly effect. It was a complete shock when so many of our random kills kept coming up as maverns or brits.

Yes, miotas is right, sorry if it seemed like I am taking all the credit. AVSM, Subotan and miotas contributed more to the F.H. then I did IMO.

If it wasn't for my Tavern buddies (I can't even imagine doing something like the F.H. without them) then my chaos spree probably would have been easily tied to me and I would have been dead by day 3-4. They all kept me in check for the most part from going overboard which I almost did a couple of times. And kudos to Subotan for rolling the random people we killed each night.

miotas

10-22-2009, 06:28

Yes, miotas is right, sorry if it seemed like I am taking all the credit. AVSM, Subotan and miotas contributed more to the F.H. then I did IMO.

If it wasn't for my Tavern buddies (I can't even imagine doing something like the F.H. without them) then my chaos spree probably would have been easily tied to me and I would have been dead by day 3-4. They all kept me in check for the most part from going overboard which I almost did a couple of times. And kudos to Subotan for rolling the random people we killed each night.

He he. It was most likely your homicidal rage that kept us going so strong, but things would have gone far worse if we hadn't reigned you in. Remember all those time you tried to convince us to mutiny? :laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

10-22-2009, 06:53

He he. It was most likely your homicidal rage that kept us going so strong, but things would have gone far worse if we hadn't reigned you in. Remember all those time you tried to convince us to mutiny? :laugh4:

lol then we all would have been dead! :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

10-22-2009, 06:58

FourHorsemen get the Townie MVP award....:laugh4:

If CR had not blocked you guys from killing Reenk on night 8....Only TinCow and Split would have made it:wall:

CR still did a good job of holding us together though....he picked guys who he knew, would send in there Protect orders on Night 8, to help Centurion1......CR also manage to become Captain and thwart; TinCows ambition to be Captain...:smash:

CR and FH might have bucked heads.....but they really cleared house this time:2thumbsup:

Crazed Rabbit

10-22-2009, 06:59

Gah, the maven got away. I suppose the claim of watchstander by Reenk should have been more suspicious.

And I guess that means I also stopped Reenk from getting killed by the horsemen that night...:juggle2:

Sorry guys, you really were the game changers. It's amazing how random kills got so many of the mafia(s).

I'm sore Tincow escaped the roleblock. :shame:

And sorry you had to die ACIN.

At least I kept the mutinies low, kicked Tincow out quick like, and protected centurion1 that night. And voted for ricera over white eyes.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I kept the rabid Frenchman Tincow out of the captain's spot.

14) Getting it together and going forth with a bold plan to eliminate the last two investigators, only to see Centurion1 surviving the hit against him due to CR's cunning. This was the second and deeper gamebreaker for us, we knew we were boned...
:bandana:

CR

GeneralHankerchief

10-22-2009, 07:07

Looks like the epilogue will have to wait until tomorrow. Until then, eat, drink, and be merry. :medievalcheers:

GH

CountArach

10-22-2009, 07:16

Here is the British quicktopic:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/ERiHPyMsv3d

Very interesting game GH! The Brits would've stood a chance if we hadn't completely collapsed over the course of 72 hours.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-22-2009, 07:20

btw Andres, the only reason I turned against you was that I became mafia and didn't think it was fair to my teamates to go full mutiny mode :stwshame:

Crazed Rabbit

10-22-2009, 07:45

Here's the officer's QT after ATPG was killed: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/ngdDhvaSQSHK/p37.22

And the collapse of the British has to be some sort of record.

Here's to hoping I have the most treasure! Besides that lousy maven...

CR

seireikhaan

10-22-2009, 07:58

Argh...

Rotten luck, and well played. I was a bit happy to get recruited, then bummed when the whole thing went kaplooey beneath my feet. :sweatdrop:

And, of course, congrats to GH on a massive, well coordinated game. :yes: Definitely want to see the bio on this thing.

Askthepizzaguy

10-22-2009, 08:37

Endgame thoughts:

Good team effort. Coordinating things through Crazed Rabbit was a good idea. There were some bad lynches avoided and there were many successful protection efforts. Congrats to random.org for nailing so many mafia. :laugh4: And the people who placed their trust in it, the four horsemen. I'm happy to have stalked Ricera10 to death. :bow:

Rule of thumb- you have to at least lie to me or I'll vote for you. Silence isn't golden. A lot of the fun of these games is lying and lying and lying some more. If I'm going to lose, I generally prefer to lose to a very good lie than anything else.

Here's some more personal thoughts about this game and the general direction of large games, and town organization strategies... (long post)

I was pro-town all the way up until the night before all the British died. At that point I was considering dropping from the game because I realize that I want mafia games to be more than a simple spreadsheet and organization effort, and I don't really like sending orders to everyone every night, being basically invulnerable to nightkills and lynches, and otherwise putting too much influence on the game. CR was still the lead organizer but I found myself ending up putting the groups together for his approval, and updating the spreadsheet, etc... and I thought to myself... I wanted to role play a pirate. How did I get there? This is nothing like role playing a jolly drunken pirate.

I think it's the competitiveness within me that got me there. I like these games but when I play, I want to play to win. Now if I don't know jack about anything, I'm harmless mostly. But when half or more of the pro-town roles reveal to me privately, all of a sudden I see a chance to win, and I also see myself in a position to help people avoid making bad choices. If you knew someone was a doctor and you knew someone was a detective, would you not put the doctor on the detective? It's just a basic reflex. Same thing with Capo... mostly what I was doing was making sure important roles didn't die, and just waiting for the mafia to be caught in the ever-shrinking web.

But it's a pattern of behavior that's gotten reflexive lately; from Council of Villains to Rubicon to Capo to here. That reflex gets us all into trouble, or it will get us into trouble. It's a bad idea to always trust the same guy with private information. Especially when multiple people do it. And originally, I didn't want to be caught by the mafia (as you can see by the british quicktopic, I'm an early conversion target) and then I'll be obliged to betray the whole town, and then have no one ever trust the pro-town network system again, even though it can work. I was pretty confident, the way things were going with the captain being unassailable and having all the right connections, that town was going to win. I didn't want to end up on the losing team, due to that competitiveness. Well it means missing out on some fun opportunities to do that.

The whole idea is not as fun for people. How many games have I personally been in, for example, where I was indestructible or nearly indestructible, having access to doctors and investigators and vigilantes and roleblockers? I've taken note, and it's been several games. It's a tired refrain for us all; myself and especially the others playing. When it really hit me was when pevergreen noted that it isn't fun to play with me anymore. And I understood why. Even when I specifically ask for people to leave me be and let me roleplay, I often get pushed into a position of being in the know, and then the reflex is to protect that knowledge. There was a point in the game a couple rounds back where you could check off most of the people as being known pro-town roles, having firm alibis, etc... not a lot of mystery left. The mystery is part of the game.

Well there's a lot of backlash against this... the general strategy of having a sole leader with knowledge about everybody (generally contrary to the idea of the uninformed majority, for obvious reasons) the almost unfair coordination of protection roles and investigators, and the idea that if you don't go along with it, you'll die a swift and brutal death. I spoke to many people privately this game about this, and the general consensus is that it is a very effective strategy, but perhaps not so much fun for everyone. When you're town, and you're part of it, you're very enthusiastic about it. When you're town and you've been left out, it sucks and it is boring. Choice between having to follow or die is not in the spirit of fun. And then there's being mafia... the challenge is fine, but it's just not as fun to have your options limited. I know that if I were converted to the other side I'd begin to really hate the strategy myself and so I avoided it very intently. There's also a slight backlash against me in particular; simply I think because I seem to be in the center of it way too often. And I wasn't enjoying it and others weren't, and it was just time to let it go.

It works; maybe not as fast as a random lucky vig kill, but it does work. Good. Great. Put it to rest now. I don't want to be at the center of a pro-town effort for a good long while, at least not the kind of effort which involves several investigators and protectors and vigilantes. It's too easy to fall back into gear for me. If it keeps happening, I'll disregard my role PM and just blab everything I know immediately. That will make it stop.

We just came off of Capo and we were already weary of it. This game in particular just sunk it for me; it is fun to some extent but it's not as challenging and it's not fun for everyone.

So anyways. I realized that I was personally missing out on something, too. I love being mafia. Why on earth was I avoiding it for the sake of being on the winning side? Work hard enough and the mafia can win too. So I decided to solve two of my most pressing problems with one move: I betrayed all the information I had to the mafia. Now I would not be one of the go-to guys for organizing and revealing sensitive information, and it would reveal the huge weakness I warned about when I started ranting about you guys having to either lynch me or make me an officer. Be careful about the concentration of power in the wrong hands. One night's conversion earlier on and the mafia would have had all that information very early on, and it would have been a different game.

After I revealed all that stuff, I would just sit back and hope to see some sparks fly. Maybe it would even things up a bit. That is why I did what I did.... a return to normalcy for me and perhaps a final nail in the town network strategy, while evening up what appeared to be a lopsided game. It didn't quite work out that way... waited too long to decide on that. Next time I won't wait so long. Fair warning.Anyhoo. Long text, apologies for that, but here's the quick summary:

1. The protown network is very dangerous in a game of recruitment. Especially when you reveal to a recruitable.
2. I am now "in retirement". I will not hide your secrets anymore or organize a group. Don't ask me to.
3. I'll be attempting to play for ships and giggles more often, not always solely for the win.
4. As the vigilante groups taught us, add more random kills for the lulz. Maybe even for the win by blind luck instead of by spreadsheet.

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 08:49

Its up to the host to now accomodate for this, either make it so its balanced with that, or take out the option to do so.

My upcoming large will not allow this, both in rule and role layouts etc.

Askthepizzaguy

10-22-2009, 08:55

Already spoke to Seamus regarding Capo IV and avoiding such a thing, minor tweaks I suggested which I know would personally trip me up.

I spoke to GH and basically since it takes so long to host a game and since Capo was so awesome, hosts feel like they have to make complex games to compete with that, giving basic townies abilities and so forth but with the handicap of having to work together. Capo/Rubicon/Pirate ship style games where townies can do that lend themselves to victory by spreadsheet because presumably, you can't do a group action and then go off and kill someone. That is where it all begins. Frankly you don't even need detectives and so on, there's ways to root out the mafia just by doing that.

It looks like large game hosts will simply have to let go of townie-group style games or at least space them out. Many have already chosen to do so. I was considering something like that, but actually I am thinking of going the total opposite direction and removing detectives too, or at least limiting them.

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 08:59

Thats why the Mafia (x) games worked so well.

Everyone wants to host themed and special games. This is great, but there is precious little vanilla mafia these days.

Death is yonder

10-22-2009, 09:00

Good game to all, and a round of applause for GH for hosting this very fun game that sucked me in.

:bow: :applause: :applause:

Askthepizzaguy

10-22-2009, 09:05

:inquisitive: :thinking: :idea:

Perhaps there could be a separate queue for vanilla games versus themed games, so there's always at least one vanilla game playing?

Subotan

10-22-2009, 09:10

We honestly assigned everyone a random number. If you were killed by us, it was down to chance. Our original plan was to kill as many townies as possible, then flee the ship laden with gold once we had been rumbled, with a mafia victory allowing us to be the perfect victors. By killing random sailors, we figured that our actions would be untraceable But by about the fourth night, we realised our plans had gone horribly wrong, as we seemed to be killing exclusively mafia. We didn't account for the fact that by rolling for random crew members, we might not only hit one or two mafia, but snuff out a mafia on the first night and singlehandedly destory our own plan. We were so successful, we were unsuccessful. We eventually decided after the British were wiped out to take a more pro-town role, since it was A. Obvious who we were, and B. We had failed in our original plan, since a Mafia victory was now impossible. We tried to run rings around you some more in a desperate, last ditch plan to confuse you (E.g. Like ACIN saying he wasn't a member of the four horsemen, and misleading CR in Pm's), but it didn't really work.

@ACIN You twit, why did you vote for mutiny? It was mentioned previously in the thread that everyone who had voted for mutiny (Andres, Chatoix etc.) had been killed by "Bess".

Before I forget:

:balloon3: :balloon3: :balloon3: :balloon3:

One for each of the Four Horsemen, for being the single-most exciting thing in the game, the biggest game-changers by far, and for sending me the most-looked-forward-to PMs every single night. Congrats guys, you earned it. :yes:

Thanks GH, not only for the balloons, but for hosting a great game whilst you're so busy, complete with excellent writing. If we hadn't been around, who do you think would have won?

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 09:12

@ACIN You twit, why did you vote for mutiny? It was mentioned previously in the thread that everyone who had voted for mutiny (Andres, Chatoix etc.) had been killed by "Bess".

I must ask this question myself. I told him what the trigger to activate the serial killer was (vote mutiny) then about 8 PM's later i told him to vote for a mutiny, and the PM where I told him the trigger was quoted as well. All this in like 40 minutes.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-22-2009, 11:15

I am still alive! :laugh4::laugh4: YES!

man this was fun. :juggle2:

Subotan

10-22-2009, 12:00

Yes, miotas is right, sorry if it seemed like I am taking all the credit. AVSM, Subotan and miotas contributed more to the F.H. then I did IMO.

If it wasn't for my Tavern buddies (I can't even imagine doing something like the F.H. without them) then my chaos spree probably would have been easily tied to me and I would have been dead by day 3-4. They all kept me in check for the most part from going overboard which I almost did a couple of times. And kudos to Subotan for rolling the random people we killed each night.
I think we all complemented each other really well. ACIN came up with the idea, and his thirst for unspecified vengeance kept us going, AVSM was excellent at holding ACIN back when he went a bit crazy, miotas was excellent at coming up with other plans, and I was just very, very lucky/unlucky. :laugh4:

TinCow

10-22-2009, 12:04

I'm sore Tincow escaped the roleblock. :shame:

Heh, I was roleblocking split to make sure no one stopped Reenk from abandoning ship. Who gets their orders in when everyone's roleblocking each other? In any case, like I said, the game ended for me the instant that all Brits and Mavens were dead or off the ship. My escape is for sequel storyline purposes only; I lost, straight up. The question remaining is whether Reenk brought back enough gold for a minor victory.

Louis VI the Fat

10-22-2009, 12:07

Lovely game! I loved the piratey atmosphere! Thanks for hosting, GH. And thanks to all those many players who turned this into such a fun game.

Special thanks to:

- Beskar, Andres, SSNeoperestroika, Yaropolk. Who each in his own right made this game more fun for me.

- The Four Horsemen. Their kills of Gibson and Scottishranger were great bonusses for the town.

- KukriKhan. Why is he always the man with the big gun in mafia? It was great to have him in our protection groups, and to see him sneak off occasionally to do his thing.

- Pizza. Yes. Despite his later betrayal, he was pro-town until he was relieved of his officer position.

- Crazed Rabbit. The Presence's great captain. I remember his opening post. Perfect pirate talk, his own little gif, reminding people he starts the annual Talk Like a Pirate thread in the frontroom. I knew I was beat for captain's position. So instead I PM'ed him and applied for First Mate. Which proved to be a very succesful partnership.

https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/332/crazedrabbitgifhq0.gif

Louis VI the Fat

10-22-2009, 12:08

Not to be mean, but the 4H as MVP? Gibson and Scottish were great lucky shots, but many innocents died needlessly too.
All the other mafia were pinned down by the town. Sigurd was presented on a silver platter by Tincow. Even if Sigurd hadn't been receiving sensitive information from us ever since the first night anymore. Ricera was Pizza's work. Sasaki was a matter of time and a clear suspect to both Pizza and me. CountArach was roleblocked already on the night of his death and ready for the lynch. Tincow was the work of Rabbit and me. (What is it with scum seeking the QM position? It never took CR and me more than two days to clean house). Reenk was identified as scum two days ago, but was given some respite because we couldn't risk losing a possible detective in case the maven had pulled a clever trick at some point.

TinCow

10-22-2009, 12:13

What is it with scum seeking the QM position?

GH told me at the start of the the game that I would find it beneficial to my goal to get myself into an officer spot. I didn't know what that meant, but since a mutiny seemed impossible, that's what I worked towards. I expected to be able to kill CR when I got to QM and replace him without an election. When I got there I realized that (1) I couldn't kill him without the FO being in on the plan and (2) even if I did kill him, I still had to be elected. At that point, I felt my game was over. Everything had worked perfectly according to plan up until that point... it just turned out that the plan itself was flawed.

Andres

10-22-2009, 12:22

I CREATED THE FOUR HORSEMEN **** IT! This is how I am treated! I better be mafia next game so I can take you all out.

EDIT: Here is the entire story of the Four Horsemen. I was pissed that at the very end of Capo I got killed by a random person and I disliked working for ATPG and town leaders in gneeral (I will never follow them ever, for future reference) so I decided to get my Tavern friends to make a vig group that would create choas for the town just for the sake of messing with everyone. We assigned everyone a random number and every night used a random number generator to choose who we would kill for the lulz. That's everything about the F.H. somehow probability ****** me over and we killed the bad guys and I end up being killed in the exact same way as Capo.

i swear, next mafia game someone better make me a serial killer or a mafia don because I have a lot of revenge to deal out.

:laugh4:

This game is evidence that random vig kills by townies, even if they are done to sabotage the town, are not necessarily bad.

btw Andres, the only reason I turned against you was that I became mafia and didn't think it was fair to my teamates to go full mutiny mode :stwshame:

No need to apologise. I'm just a bit disappointed that we never got a succesful mutiny.

I found Louis' total lack of comprehension for my quest for mutiny highly amusing :grin:

Cher ami, there was no logic, no good reason, nor special motivation in my role pm. I'm Belgian ~;)

Subotan

10-22-2009, 12:39

Not to be mean, but the 4H as MVP? Gibson and Scottish were great lucky shots, but many innocents died needlessly too.
That was our original intention. :skull:

:laugh4:

This game is evidence that random vig kills by townies, even if they are done to sabotage the town, are not necessarily bad.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. I was pressuring you so much early in the game so that people wouldn't connect me with my night actions :crowngrin:. So sorry about that

Yaropolk

10-22-2009, 12:44

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it get together with 3 of its buddies for bloody murder.

If the 4 horsemen still need a target, consider this conversation. TC's reaction completely changed my thoughts on him. Please don't post in public.

I'm writing both of you to propose an amiable resolution to your conflict. Captain Rabbit sent me a spreadsheet with everyone's actions. I'm pleased to see that we're down to about 5 suspects. On the nights when the rapier killer appeared there were several people with unconfirmable actions (protects that didnt get attacked), one of those being TC.

Given the amount of help that TC has contributed to the town effort, I find it unlikely that he'd turn to the mafia once his goal is accomplished, but weirder things have happened, so I can understand CR taking a precaution by demoting TC.

However I think all this is doing is shooting ourselves in the foot by turning an ally into an enemy. I believe I've thought of a more or less foolproof way in which TC's powers can be confirmed tonight.

The list of possible suspects is down to about 5 people, and will be down to 2 after CDF/RR and one other results come back. I suggest that CR ask the 4 horsemen to target one of the remaining suspects. If the horsemen are sour after the roleblock last night, then I can throw them a hint "off the record".

Tincow will roleblock one of the 4 horsemen. This should be reflected in the writeup as only 3 killers showing up to attack. If a rapier kill happens on the same night, this will confirm TC innocense and CR will reinstate him as QM tomorrow. If TC fails to block we get rid of a suspect but he's not cleared.

How does that sound?

Do what you want. CR demoted me so that he could kill me without worrying about the 50% failure rate. Anything else he says is a lie.

He messaged me that he will not try to kill you tonight. If he does then I will stop protecting on his orders and vote for a mutiny tomorrow. Clearly for my plan to work you must be allowed to work unobstructed tonight. I suggest you both calm down and consider it. The alternative is wasted resources on the town's part to subdue TC and a guaranteed loss for TC.

Well, you realize that I have a more immediate problem: If you guys kill the mafia tonight, I lose. Since you kicked me out of office, the only way I can now win is to make sure you DON'T kill the mafia tonight. This is the situation CR has put me in; what am I supposed to do? There is no way I CAN'T oppose you tonight. If I go along with you, I'm probably aiding in my own defeat.

There are no pro town power roles which can kill other than regular townie vig groups the foremost of which is the 4h and First Mate. From the plans CR revealed to me FM will be busy investigating someone, and you will block the 4h.

CR can kill solo, we've seen it.

Based on the fact that he only made use of the ability once, and the writeup explicitly mentioned CR by name I'd guess its a one shot silver bullet ability. If I am wrong and CR kills you then he's not long for this world anyway. As i said, i am holding him to his promise that you will not be killed tonight. If you guys don't come to an agreement and he can kill, then CR has the powers to order an RB + kill you (a waste of 2 town actions i might point out)

Then just roleblock and kill me. I believe that's been CR's intention all along, so it changes nothing. He's scum, and he's been manipulating all of us the entire game. I didn't really think so before today, but this move of kicking me out without even launching a lynch case against me has convinced me. Follow CR to your peril.

Well played, CR. You'll get a HoF nomination from me for this one. :bow:

You left a few people out.

Are you saying we should kill TC? We have our own method of choosing targets and it's worked pretty well so far. So thanks for the info, but no thanks.

Kudos to TC on excellent fake role PM. You had me fooled till this conversation.

Louis VI the Fat

10-22-2009, 12:54

Cher ami, there was no logic, no good reason, nor special motivation in my role pm. I'm Belgian ~;)Surrealism. I should've known.

For fun, I had you in my will throughout the entire game :beam:

Of course, I was happy to discuss your pending death with Kukri. Mutiny would've been bad for the town. And disastrous for my position. I wouldn't have served under another captain again.

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I must say, I didn't expect that there wouldn't be a change of officers. I expected to be First Mate for three rounds or so. Then have another election.

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GH told me at the start of the the game that I would find it beneficial to my goal to get myself into an officer spot. I didn't know what that meant, but since a mutiny seemed impossible, that's what I worked towards. I expected to be able to kill CR when I got to QM and replace him without an election. When I got there I realized that (1) I couldn't kill him without the FO being in on the plan and (2) even if I did kill him, I still had to be elected. At that point, I felt my game was over. Everything had worked perfectly according to plan up until that point... it just turned out that the plan itself was flawed. You had a very difficult role. Powerful and fun, but very difficult to pull off.

If anything, you played too aggressively, perhaps. Do you know how close I was to killing you after you tried to kill Pizza, demanding an officer role for yourself? The other two officers were not endeared to you like this. We took our money, and kept our suspicions. Then when you yesterday would not stick up for Rabbit after the crew became restless, we knew for certain you were the rapier. Rabbit left it until the end of the day to remove you so as to avoid your supporting a mutiny.

Sigurd

10-22-2009, 13:08

A great game GH... and all the rest. You just can't balance for freaky randomness.

I was unfortunate enough to get stuck in some RL issues involving a trip to Stockholm at the exact point I should have pulled some weight around in the game. Too late I discovered I had been investigated as Maven. If time and energy would have permitted, I would have tried to take the captain and the first officer with me.

Sadly I was at the end of my RL strength and had to prioritize .org out for a few days.
Having this in mind it was perfect timing. I am now back at equilibrium, with inner peace. :beam:

Captain Blackadder

10-22-2009, 13:11

Good game everyone

Subotan

10-22-2009, 13:26

That reminds me, who was the leader in terms of treasure? :O

TinCow

10-22-2009, 13:40

You had me fooled till this conversation.

Even before the end of that day phase, Reenk and I had already agreed to abandon ship. My public and private statements from there on out had only two objective: (1) some final fun for me since the game was about to end and (2) to make sure your attention was focused on me and not Reenk. I definitely was not trying to hide my scumtasticness at that point.

If anything, you played too aggressively, perhaps. Do you know how close I was to killing you after you tried to kill Pizza, demanding an officer role for yourself? The other two officers were not endeared to you like this. We took our money, and kept our suspicions. Then when you yesterday would not stick up for Rabbit after the crew became restless, we knew for certain you were the rapier. Rabbit left it until the end of the day to remove you so as to avoid your supporting a mutiny.

I had to play aggressively by that point. By Night 4, it was obvious that CR had hugely solidified his hold on the Captain spot. That was a massive problem for me, and I was willing to take big risks to undermine the officers. I also was not concerned with being lynched or killed at that point. Since I was responsible for Sigurd's death, I was very confident in my ability to survive any lynch move against me. I also was immune to a single night attack (an ability which was never used) so I wasn't concerned about you or anyone else killing me.

Like I said, by the time Rabbit removed me from office the game was already over. Even if I had remained QM, we would still have abandoned ship. The only goal I had at that point was keeping Reenk alive during the day and free from roleblocking at night. Some of my threats were intentionally designed to make sure you roleblocked me and not him.

miotas

10-22-2009, 13:53

What's an MVP?

Andres

10-22-2009, 13:55

What's an MVP?

Most Valuable Player :bow:

Subotan

10-22-2009, 13:55

Most Valuable Player, I think.
Edit: Shiver me timbers, Andres beat me to it.

zero... - Sigurd

miotas

10-22-2009, 14:00

Ah. Well I guess F.H. for MVP would depend on whether you would award it for intentions or actions. Our intent was to throw the town into chaos and escape when it looked like we were going to be taken out, but our actions were to remove 4 mafia, and we would have gotten a 5th if cap hadn't blocked us. We just wanted to kill everyone and nick all your gold. Hardly MVP material ~D

pevergreen

10-22-2009, 14:13

For results, yes, you did well.

However, IMO MVP goes to person who tried and did the best effort. You guys would have got my version (which exists only in my head, so no balloons for you) if you were aiming for town victory. Since you werent, no MVP for anyone, since I was not really anything. :grin2:

KukriKhan

10-22-2009, 14:23

LOL. Way back Oct 3rd, I had the option of killing Sasaki, and even wrote up a proposed death scene:

The dramatic day behind them, the watch was posted, newly-appointed ship's officers retired to the Captain's Quarters, and the crew rushed below-decks to consume as much rum as their bellies would hold, hoping against hope that they had got it right in their leadership selection. Tomorrow's events were disregarded as a mere nusiance thought, a silly idea; as the fine Caribbean liquor gained hold of the crew's mental processes and lulled them into a false sense of security and wellness. All the crew felt this fuzziness, save one able seaman.

That one able seaman, distraught over the loss of his Captain this morning, eschewed his daily ration and instead loaded up Bess. Yesterday's Captain had been killed and desecrated, and today's Captain had already been officially challenged. The seaman carefully poured the nails and glass and lead shot into the muzzle of Bess the Blunderbuss - the 11-inch barrelled, flared end, boarder-repeller the seaman kept as his close companion these crazy days. Setting the flintlock to safely half-cocked,he tucked the weapon into his blouse and joined the crowd of seamen gathered 'round the rum cask.

"To t' Cap'n!" he shouted, raising his lead cup.

"T' Cap'n!", the crew shouted.

Sasaki brushed past the seaman, muttering an apology about needing to "piddle".

"Ya need t' wut, sir?"

"Piddle"

"Piddle? Gent-el-men piddle sir. Men piss over the side an be makin' no excuse."

"Haha! You're right o'course matey! Pardon while I piss over t'side."

"Stand by Sir. Are ye not t'one who voted for mut'ny t'same day we picked our new Cap'n?"

"Well, yes, but I didn't mean it."

"And the earlier in t'day reference to Anglishhhhh poets and writers?"

"Sure. I just hoped to raise the level of discourse...."

"Sir. You are Brit. You are enemy. Make your prayers to your god, for you shan't breathe on t'morrow."

The able seaman, yanking his weapon from his blouse, pulled the hammer back on Bess the Blunderbuss to the full-lock position, giving the prescribed 30 seconds to Sasaki for consultation with his deity.

Sasaki demurred: "Whatever". And the flint struck the steel, the sparks of which passed through the peep-hole and fired up the powder, smoked, and propelled the nails and glass and lead shot toward Sasaki's chest. Which collapsed: lungs, heart and all. Sasaki's hand going to his chest after the fact did naught but attract stray glass and nails twisting belatedly toward his soon to be corpse.

"To your Ang-lish Lord I commit thee, Sir Brit-er. Long live the Presence an' our esteemed Cap'n!".

I say "optional" because his mutiny vote was lodged 'illegally' during a night phase. After consulting with GH (who left the decision to me), I let him live, in the interest of keeping the game interesting. I pat myself on the back for predicting (to myself) that Sasaki would be some kind of turncoat factor in the game, if not an outright bad guy.

shlin28

10-22-2009, 16:27

I LIVE!!! :yes: Good game everyone! I was kept mostly out of the loop, but its still nice to see the town win.

atheotes

10-22-2009, 16:49

good game to everyone and thanks for hosting a fun game GH...:2thumbsup:

too bad i got killed on Night2...after being part of a succesful protection on N1. and one my partners in that protection, Tratorix got killed N3 :inquisitive: