Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Askthepizzaguy

10-01-2009, 16:51

:laugh4:

Yarrr... I would not speak of guarantees, my lad.
There's plenty of evil to be doing and treasure to be had.
After the last voyage's success I would say
That some are not looking forward to an encore today
Some say being honest is "boring", remember...
Some players would rather pillage and loot and dismember
than follow the orders of a Cap'n on high
This is quite reminiscent of old Captain Bligh
I hear the shouts of loyalty now
But every silver-tongued traitor will politely bow
And then turn in for the night and plot the destruction
Of everyone here with an honorable function
And would you expect anything less? Pirates are we
murderous blaggards wanting to be paid handsomely
And if we don't get what we want, we might just take it
Overconfidence is a weakness, no guarantee we'll make it
I hold out hopes that the traitors have met their match
But matey, don't count chickens before they hatch.

TinCow

10-01-2009, 17:21

Actually, you are incorrect TinCow, it would only take 1 night, under certain conditions, to get two tier3 investigations.

I don't see how you can reach that conclusion based on the info we have on the investigatory roles.

Louis VI the Fat

10-01-2009, 17:42

Four thoughts:

- Sasaki may have been on to something. The Grizz is not a noob. He wouldn't make the elementary mistake of lying if he wasn't sweating and panicking. He acted as if he was found out. As if he was caught in the act. Also, why didn't, and hasn't, any of Grizz' four player group come forward? And why a group of four, if not to kill somebody?
Methinks Grizzly and his henchmen read that there's forty gold for a kill. And have turned rogue from the start, planning on killing and raking in the cash.

- There is no such thing as an easy town win. Because the townies are all enemies to one another. There is a double victory condition for the townies: win, and amass the most amount of gold.

See, for example, the comment on the Gizzly Four above.

Even if all six mafia names were to be announced right from the start, that would still leave a good chance of the town losing. Simply because of the mechanism of this game. This is not Capo.

- Which means there must be a balance between playing for the team, and playing for your own stash of gold. We need to keep an eye out for townies who are taking a free ride.

- This game is 'game theory' heaven. That is, the economic discipline of the connection of and interplay between common and individual gain.

Tratorix

10-01-2009, 17:53

GeneralHankerchief

10-01-2009, 18:00

The night round will end in 6 hours.

Askthepizzaguy

10-01-2009, 18:12

Jeez, a townie network actually succeeds for once and suddenly they're overpowered? For each game where a large townie group actually did something useful, there's two more where they failed and took the rest of the town down with them.

Yarrr... they just be more successful lately than in the past.
Council of Villains, Settlement, Capo, and they won't be the last.
I recall when I first came on the scene
groups were bad, as if they necessarily mean
that as soon as a network is formed, it loses
But this year it's the tactic everyone chooses
After each successful demonstration
The victorious town is filled with elation
And returns to the well for another cold drink
And the baddies all say that it's starting to stink
And now, the networks are called overpowered
And the outlook of every game has soured
Another town win, based on tactics called boring
and for some, the psychological aspect's been ignoring
Even for some who advocate it's employment
They might try to find ways to boost their enjoyment
I suspect that treachery is afoot, the scums are all maddened
And if it is not laddies, frankly, I'd be quite saddened.

OOC: If the scums become disheartened and they don't even put up their fiercest fight, we all lose because then there's no challenge. I can kind of see Sasaki's point. But I think this game is the perfect level playing field to challenge the pro-town network strategy, considering employment in the mafia is mandatory if you're recruited. I trust GH has balanced things quite nicely somehow, and so there's no reason for either side to go easy.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-01-2009, 18:24

Townie groups have always been effective when run with a minimum of competence...they used to be mistrusted so I'd argue against them on that basis, but it was really because I just don't like them. Too formal. Too boring, too easy. I blame myself for coming up with the idea of attack/defense groups in rubicon to confirm participation, didn't see where it would lead to. But in this game if you get everyone involved in a group that confirms what they did at night, and one person knows who everyone is they can direct the detectives to check on the other people. This is also a game where all the towns power roles are near invunerable because everyone is 1/3 doctor.

Let's just keep it casual and go after our suspects, the vig and protect abilities are a powerful enough feature to counteract the mafia recruiting ability. And they can kill eachother remember, in inishmore I don't think the townies caught a single mafioso and they still won.

Louis VI the Fat

10-01-2009, 19:32

Now I get it, I think. Sorry, I don't really play all that much mafia.
Indeed, it is possible to 'solve' mafia with a disciplined town effort. Protection/hit groups, forced participation at pain of death, a discplined and centralized organisation, and an excell sheet. It turns the game into a boring mathematical excersize. Lame indeed, as exciting as putting together the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

Mafia to me is all about paranoia, psychology, gut feeling, and being blisteringly wrong most of the time.

But games must be played by players employing anything at their disposal. There's no turning back. When gameplay has progressed to a point where games turn into mathematics, the rules need to be changed, new challenges need to be found. In this game, I am counting on the competition for loot to perform that function. The town shouldn't hold back, shouldn't fight with one hand behind its back. If only, because...then where is the respect for the quality of the mafia players in this game in that?

GeneralHankerchief

10-01-2009, 19:36

I am watching this debate with great interest and Louis's last post really hit home in a number of ways.

I do request that everybody give this meta-talk a rest for a few rounds. Give this game a ride and see where it takes you first. :yes:

atheotes

10-01-2009, 19:40

well, i guess we will start talking about the game once we get the night writeup :yes:
right now there is not much to talk about the game :shrug:

Sigurd

10-01-2009, 20:02

Idle hands, aye?

The deck needs cleanin, Sails need mendin and if yer really sitting on yer hands there is always the barnacles needed scrapin. Now get to it scoundrels!!!.

Diana Abnoba

10-01-2009, 20:23

Yarrr matey, this be "itchy Lou" again, I could tells ye another one of me stories.

*takes another drink from his rum bottle, then scratches his butt*

I was in the port of, ahh dang it, can't remember, well, anyway, when me met a wench named Patty.
Ahh, that was a magical night. They called her Pegleg Patty. Yarrr she be a dream, well, after me bottle of rum, that is. Now don't ye go knock'n her wooden leg, once we replaced it with the fancy kind that could bend, yarrrr, then we were in business. You can't imagine all the different poses we tried! Yarr, what fun we had then.

*parrot poops on his shoulder, he stumbles away*

TinCow

10-01-2009, 20:43

well, i guess we will start talking about the game once we get the night writeup :yes:
right not there is not much to talk about the game :shrug:

LG would be wise to use the time remaining to explain himself better. The odds of us getting better information to go off of after the first night are low. DG's last post is spot on: the simple fact that LG appears to have lied about those PMs being faked does not look good for him. While the PMs themselves didn't really say a whole lot that concerned me, claiming they were faked (and then later admitting that they weren't) is a step that few people would take unless they had something to hide.

Askthepizzaguy

10-01-2009, 20:50

*sighs*

Itchy Lou be a fine sailin' man; there's none sweller.
Sometimes I wish he were a lady, he's such a handsome feller...

Louis VI the Fat

10-01-2009, 21:14

Sigurd's right! Time to put some stick about! Get these girls to start scraping that deck.

Me and me lash will join the quartermaster. Get this ship cleaned and scraped, ye knaves! :whip:

I also discovered the officer's deck supply of rum. I'm going to drink ALL OF IT before the very eyes of you philosophising and limey literature reading ladies. First one to object gets keelhauled.

*passes Sigurd a bottle of rum*

:pirate:

Louis VI the Fat

10-01-2009, 21:15

And yes, all I'll be scraping on this ship is me two barnacles right here...

*burps*

pevergreen

10-01-2009, 23:01

Its up to the hosts to make it balanced...:grin2:

GeneralHankerchief

10-01-2009, 23:03

One hour-ish remaining.

I might not be on during the exact deadline, so I'll accept all orders until I say otherwise here.

Diana Abnoba

10-01-2009, 23:11

*Itchy Lou stumbles up behind Louis VI, and grabs a couple of bottles of rum, from the officers deck supply, puts them down his pants, and stumbles away.*

Louis VI the Fat

10-01-2009, 23:35

*wakes up*

'...huh...?'

*dozes off again*

*suddenly wakes up with a fright from his own massive burp*

'Oi! Was I dreaming or did one of the crew crawl around my quarters?'

'Nah...probably not'

*downs a bottle o' rum, wipes off his face with Itchy Lou's parrot, rips out a leg to use as a toothpick and falls asleep to the comforting cries of an ailing parrot*

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 00:01

Night 1 has ended, processing orders now.

Let's see how this goes. :sweatdrop:

pevergreen

10-02-2009, 00:40

One time limited offer!

Pay me (pever the green) the sum of 25 gold and have my vote for the rest of the game!

Shamelessly stolen off YLC.

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 00:51

I will be making an announcement about transferring gold for services rendered shortly.

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 00:53

Night 1

Down in the cabins of the Presence, all eyes drew shut two by two. As dozens of sets of ears waited for there to be silence, the crew one by one arose from their bunks and went out on deck to perform their nights' business. For some of them, it was noble. For others, it was nefarious. But even in the wee hours of the morning, the ship bustled with activity.

Centurion1 was staring out at the sea, watching silently as the moon's reflection glistened. All was quiet aboard, at least for now. These were times for reflection, after all, and the mind worked best in solitude. Unfortunately for him, the solitude was broken by the sound of a single sword being unsheathed. Centurion jumped up in shock, nearly falling off the ship. Completely unprepared, he started running away from his attacker, making as much noise as he possibly could in order to raise alarm.

He was confident that he was making enough noise to be noticed, but was unsure if aid would come in time, for his attacker was catching up and waving his sword menacingly. Finally, almost out of breath, he scrambled up the mast, climbing as fast as he could. In the time it took for his attacker to put away his sword, three men sprinted to their location. Upon seeing this, the assailant took one final look at Centurion, and then disappeared below deck.

A similar attack was taking place on the other side of the ship, where LittleGrizzly was fending off a single man with a cutlass. After the initial reaction, it appeared that Grizzly had righted himself and was almost enjoying the bit of swordplay. Then, he heard the sound of multiple footsteps coming his way. Stealing a glance in the direction of the noise, his eyes widened.

"Oh... *#%!"

Disarming his solo attacker and sending him scampering back below deck, Grizz turned to face the five men advancing his way. Scrambling backwards, trying to buy himself some room, he tripped over yet another man with a cutlass, rushing forward in his defense. A frenetic duel quickly took place, with Grizz joining the action once he saw his savior was skilled with a blade and holding his own. The sound of steel on steel surely aroused most of the ship, but there were no more reinforcements to come for either side.

It was a duel to the end, but eventually numbers in the attackers' favor took their toll, and after several minutes Grizzly gasped in shock. He looked down and saw a cutlass poking through his chest, his heart region to be more specific. In another second, he was on the ground, the life already exiting his body. By the time the fight dispersed, LittleGrizzly was no more.

As the sun rose and the dawn bell tolled, the Captain's officers took a count and found they were one short. Once it was determined to be LittleGrizzly, Captain Crazed Rabbit sighed, and gravely looked out across the gathered sailors.

"All right, lads," he said, "it be clear that there still be scum on this ship. Courageous scum nonetheless, for they dare t'be doin' their dirty work in such an enclosed environment, but scum nonetheless. And it be in all of our best interests t'be gettin' rid of this scum. Therefore, we be doin' this democratically, mates."

He took a breath as Louis and Sigurd looked on. A quick nod to Louis sent him back inside the cabin's quarters, emerging a second later with a pot.

"Ye be votin' fer the lad who you think murdered poor LittleGrizzly," he continued. "And at the end of the votin', whoever be havin' the most will face my wrath. And that be the plank!"

There was a very loud cheer at this. The plank was always good for morale.

"Okay lads," Rabbit finished. "Be we ready? Good. GET VOTIN', YE BLOOMIN' COCKROACHES!"

OOC: Day 2 has begun. It will last until 00:01 US Eastern time on Saturday, October 3rd.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attacked: Centurion1 (n1), LittleGrizzly (n1)

Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1)

Souls aboard (49/50):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Beefy187
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Chaotix
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Diana Abnoba
DisgruntledGoat
Double A
gibsonsg91921
Iskander 3.1
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Khazaar
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
miotas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
ricera10
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
Sigurd
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
SSNeoperestroika
Subotan
taka
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs
<vacant>
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 01:04

Apologies for the triple post, but I made a slight change to the N1 writeup.

Feedback PMs will be coming out in a bit.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 01:09

Looks like the mafia aren't submitting kill orders...

Vote:woad&fangs

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 01:09

So far we have;
Mafia Kills: 0
Vigilante Kills: 1

Ye heard me - be votin' for the man ye think killed LittleGrizzly. I be not votin' as the captain, but I think ye all know who killed him.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 01:13

Yeah, I killed him. Don't tell me your turning soft captain rabbit.

pevergreen

10-02-2009, 01:17

Well then.

I'll wait for a few more replies before I post me vote.

DisgruntledGoat

10-02-2009, 01:23

Looks like the mafia aren't submitting kill orders...

Vote:woad&fangs

Or the mafia covered up their kill orders with a vig group... :shrug:

scottishranger

10-02-2009, 01:29

In which case... well we be doomed (I dont think so)

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 01:31

Well, well, those who looked down on LG for trying to start somethin' take to violence to prevent it. Poor form, boys, poor form. :no:

Lord Winter

10-02-2009, 01:32

Vote: A1 Unit

Welcome to mafia :smash:

pevergreen

10-02-2009, 01:32

Vote: Jolt

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 01:35

Why do you vote Woad and Fangs, Sasaki?

Centurion: 1 attacker. Failed owing to 3 defenders.

Grizzly: 1 solo attacker. Failed? - Grizz could fend him off. Then five attackers. One defender.

A Very Super Market

10-02-2009, 01:36

I did it. Well, if I did it.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 01:37

Or the mafia covered up their kill orders with a vig group... :shrug:

If they didn't do a mafia kill, then they either did nothing, investigated, or were in a townie group (which presumably they can do), either vig or protect. It looks like just one person showed up to attack cent.

Well, well, those who looked down on LG for trying to start somethin' take to violence to prevent it. Poor form, boys, poor form. :no:

What? :dizzy2:

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 01:38

Why do you vote Woad and Fangs, Sasaki?

Centurion: 1 attacker. Failed owing to 3 defenders.

Grizzly: 1 solo attacker. Failed? - Grizz could fend him off. Then five attackers. One defender.

Seems to me like Grizz was attacked by the Brits or the Maven crew as well as a vig group. The solo protector could block one, but not both, so Grizz was killed. Doesn't seem to me that Grizz had any ability to protect himself.

Centurion1

10-02-2009, 01:52

Aye me lads it appears i am being targeted. I assure you i am pro-endeavor. Thank you to my saviors

FOS: Sasaki Kojiro

Man is acting unbelievably scummy and went ahead and killed lg. He ain't even denying it me lads. Unless i be hearing a most robust defense, i think i know whom i be wanting sent to the locker.

Chaotix

10-02-2009, 01:58

Looks like the mafia aren't submitting kill orders...

Vote:woad&fangs

I wouldn't bother with woads just yet. I can account for his actions last night, so I know he hasn't targeted anyone yet, at least.

Vote: Tratorix for being a traitor. :clown:

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 01:59

All feedback PMs have been sent. I don't think there were any errors but please let me know. Hopefully in the future, this will go quicker as I will be more familiar with everything.

I'll also be making my announcement shortly regarding transactions for services rendered, but right now I need to rest.

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 02:01

I wouldn't bother with woads just yet. I can account for his actions last night, so I know he hasn't targeted anyone yet, at least.Pray tell, what was woad up to last night?

Centurion1

10-02-2009, 02:03

aye what were you and woad doing together then?

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 02:04

Why do you vote Woad and Fangs, Sasaki?

My gut says LG was guilty (and w&f's as well). Literally everything about it is suspicious.

I'd pm'd w&f and he replied:

I'm willing to, as long as I get to do my kills as a parrot.
...
...
...
Squawk!

Then I had the pm exchange with LG, and accused him of hiding something. Shortly after I got this pm from woad, titled "LG":

Don't worry about him. I know what he is doing tonight and I know who he is doing it with. He doesn't want you to join because that would mean that any gold from a succesfull protection would have to be split up among 4 people instead of 3.

So woad never mentioned that he was working with LG, and made it seem like he was available. The reason he gives for how LG reacted doesn't match with what LG said:

Im not revealing thier names... over time if i start to trust you i will...

When I pm'd woad saying the story didn't match up a day or so ago he read but didn't reply...then he never posted in the thread claiming to be part of LG's group, no one else, LG claimed the pm's were fake when I posted them but later said they were real...

Now, maybe LG's other partners will step forward now, after being silent for some mysterious reason yesterday. In which case the death of one townie is a great shame of course. It probably would have been nice and civilized to sit and wait for them to show up. But the chance to cripple the mafia early is too good. If we knock out the british special officer, they'll have a real hard time recruiting. If we knock out two of either camp, they have to choose between killing and investigating--aka killing and recruiting. And I see vigging LG and lynching woad as a chance at offing two mafia and getting off to a strong start.

Chaotix

10-02-2009, 02:09

Pray tell, what was woad up to last night?

Him and I were protecting Captain Blackadder. I have a CC'ed PM from him, which is the best proof possible at this stage in the game.

I haven't heard anything from woad about what Sasaki claims- although I am not doubting him.

Obviously, he was probably distrustful of Sasaki because of Rule #1.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 02:11

I wouldn't bother with woads just yet. I can account for his actions last night, so I know he hasn't targeted anyone yet, at least.

Vote: Tratorix for being a traitor. :clown:

That's interesting...I'll be very interested what woad has to say for himself. The mafia didn't kill last night so I'm not sure what use your vouching for him is...not sure how you know he didn't do anything either. If you're in a prot group does GH confirm that you all showed up?

If you start (as I do) from the hypothesis that LG was mafia, then you have to ask yourself why LG shared my suspicions of him with woad and why woad went out of his way to defend him. And why he didn't do so in the thread, and why he didn't reply to the pm etc...

CountArach

10-02-2009, 02:17

Chaotix

10-02-2009, 02:20

The mafia didn't kill, true, but there were 2 of what seem to be mafia attempts: solo attacks. Doubtless there are more than 2 mafia in this game, but I'm fairly certain woad wasn't attacking anyone.

To be fair, my result PM doesn't mention anything about the members of the protection group, only that CB survived and I got 100 gold.

Whether or not he is guilty is a different story... and your PMs certainly throw suspicion onto him.

I do think we need more evidence or for him to show up personally and defend himself, before I decide to lynch my protection partner off the bat.

scotchedpommes

10-02-2009, 02:24

Seems to me like Grizz was attacked by the Brits or the Maven crew as well as a vig group. The solo protector could block one, but not both, so Grizz was killed. Doesn't seem to me that Grizz had any ability to protect himself.
Could easily have been another body from the same group, I'd have thought. Grizz and his mate wouldn't have had much of a chance against those numbers, would they? Course, Sasaki could let us know how many he took with him to get the job done, for the sake of clarity.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 02:29

Could easily have been another body from the same group, I'd have thought. Grizz and his mate wouldn't have had much of a chance against those numbers, would they? Course, Sasaki could let us know how many he took with him to get the job done, for the sake of clarity.

There were 5 of us.

It's possible the doctor tried to protect grizz on CR's orders and failed. That might explain CR's odd request that we pursue the vigilantes rather than the mafia.

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 02:30

I would like to know what Yaropolk and Diana were up to last night.

woad&fangs

10-02-2009, 02:46

Just remembering rule #1 Sasaki. :wink:
Sqwuak!

Reenk Roink

10-02-2009, 02:50

Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:

:crowngrin:

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 02:51

Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:

:crowngrin:That be a limey if ever I seen one!

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 03:01

There were 5 of us.

It's possible the doctor tried to protect grizz on CR's orders and failed. That might explain CR's odd request that we pursue the vigilantes rather than the mafia.

The vigilantes are the only ones who have killed anyone so far, Sasaki. A mafioso could be in your group. Killing LG and getting gold for themselves would have furthered their goals.

Vote: abstain, courteously

New Yoooooooorrrk!

(if this doesn't make sense, watch the movie 1776 (made in 1972))

CR

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:03

I would like to know what Yaropolk and Diana were up to last night.

Yarrrrr, I'd be askin' the Captain, our Captain
If ye be curious as to what be happenin'
Regarding old Itchy Lou and Smilin' Sam
We had ourselves a group and went with the plan.
The Cap'n was informed and knows of our group.
And if'n ye be needing me, I'll be swabbin' the poop...
Deck that is. Back of the ship. High as can be.
Well the first thing you know Lou's got gold to spare
Kinfolk said to Lou "scrub your derriere"
Said the Presence is the place you ought to be
So they loaded up the ship and pirated the sea...

Yo ho ho! I be votin' fer the next man what don't talk like a Pirate!

:pirate2:

pevergreen

10-02-2009, 03:06

woad&fangs

10-02-2009, 03:06

vote: Yaropolk
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Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 03:07

The pizzaman be talkin' true. Both of those be sworn for by others that they be involved in groups.

CR

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:08

Yarrr... put [IMG] tags around that and it should work.http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Animaux/perruche.gif

A1_Unit

10-02-2009, 03:11

Vote: abstain I don't know who is who and I don't want to lynch any innocents yet. :P

woad&fangs

10-02-2009, 03:12

Yarr, I wish I could edit posts with votes in them.
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GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 03:14

Yarr, I wish I could edit posts with votes in them.
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You're good, woad. I know what it is.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:14

Vote: A1_Unit

You don't sound like a pirate, mate. And I'm not even referrin' to yer woeful lack of sailor talk. I can't account fer what ye be up to last night, and the way ye be playin' the game smells of havin' a yeller streak runnin' down yer back. What are you hidin', you landlubber? Afear'd to lynch the innocent, yes, that's what all good turncoats say. I don't buy the nice guy routine. We're CUTTHROAT, BLOODTHIRSTY PIRATES, LADDIE!!! Were it up to me, yarrr would already be walkin' the plank.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:15

The vigilantes are the only ones who have killed anyone so far, Sasaki. A mafioso could be in your group. Killing LG and getting gold for themselves would have furthered their goals.

Yah, this is like what disgruntled goat says but your conclusion still doesn't make sense. The mafia could be in the vig group, but there is no reason to assume they were. Not vigging LG so that he'd get lynched this round instead of them and killing someone else at night would have suited the mafia's goals just fine.

************

I suggest you be voting for w&f, cap'n.

and if ya'll think that tone is overly mutinous, ye should watch more pirate movies :beam:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:17

The pizzaman be talkin' true. Both of those be sworn for by others that they be involved in groups.

CR

Inconsequential. No way to confirm their participation. Participation in a prot group should not be used as evidence in anyone's favor.

Vote: A1_Unit

You don't sound like a pirate, mate. And I'm not even referrin' to yer woeful lack of sailor talk. I can't account fer what ye be up to last night, and the way ye be playin' the game smells of havin' a yeller streak runnin' down yer back. What are you hidin', you landlubber? Afear'd to lynch the innocent, yes, that's what all good turncoats say. I don't buy the nice guy routine. We're CUTTHROAT, BLOODTHIRSTY PIRATES, LADDIE!!! Were it up to me, yarrr would already be walkin' the plank.

Why act like your just roleplaying a pirate in the thread, when at night you're organizing groups? That's disingenuous.

A Very Super Market

10-02-2009, 03:22

Arrr, pirates arrrrren't allowed to get drunk and make decisions they be regrettin' in the morning?

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:22

Inconsequential. No way to confirm their participation. Participation in a prot group should not be used as evidence in anyone's favor.

Why act like your just roleplaying a pirate in the thread, when at night you're organizing groups? That's disingenuous.

Are you callin' me a liar, you yellow-bellied, mutinous sea dog? Ye be lucky the Cap'n finds you amusing enough to keep around, mate. Yarrr... I might be a black-hearted, murderous pirate, a thief and a killer, but thar be one thing I don't do, and that's lie to me cap'n.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:29

Are you callin' me a liar, you yellow-bellied, mutinous sea dog? Ye be lucky the Cap'n finds you amusing enough to keep around, mate. Yarrr... I might be a black-hearted, murderous pirate, a thief and a killer, but thar be one thing I don't do, and that's lie to me cap'n.

If you were a real pirate you'd know that pirate captains aren't put on a pedestal. They're like an nfl quarterback. One of the guys, nominal leader, they play well then great, but if they throw 5 interceptions then you toss him out unless you're the panthers.

And yes, there's a mismatch between taking serious night actions and just playing in the thread. Disingenuous.

Lord Winter

10-02-2009, 03:33

Why would Woad make such an obvious connection to a suspicious person if he was scum?

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:34

If you were a real pirate you'd know that pirate captains aren't put on a pedestal. They're like an nfl quarterback. One of the guys, nominal leader, they play well then great, but if they throw 5 interceptions then you toss him out unless you're the panthers.

And yes, there's a mismatch between taking serious night actions and just playing in the thread. Disingenuous.

Yarrr will be forgivin' me if I don't sit around on a barrel of ale with a thumb in me buttocks while good men I be workin' with fer years die at the hands of traitors, laddie. But there's no law that says I can't have fun while I'm doing it. Not that I'd listen to such a law anyway. Being a pirate is more than just plunder, it's also enjoying the act of plunderin'.

miotas

10-02-2009, 03:37

Arrr. This sasaki be talkin to much, an afer all that rum las' night I be gettin a 'eadache.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
To shut the blighter up.

Now... a bit of the hair o' dog to clear up this 'ere 'eadache...

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:39

Why would Woad make such an obvious connection to a suspicious person if he was scum?

He sent that before LG came under big suspicion. And I'm hoping LG was the british special officer, but then again I'm an optimist :beam:

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 03:39

Yah, this is like what disgruntled goat says but your conclusion still doesn't make sense. The mafia could be in the vig group, but there is no reason to assume they were. Not vigging LG so that he'd get lynched this round instead of them and killing someone else at night would have suited the mafia's goals just fine.

And how did those who be in ye group contact ye? Did they come forward after ye asked for men to help ye kill LG? Or did ye go to them?

Inconsequential. No way to confirm their participation. Participation in a prot group should not be used as evidence in anyone's favor.

A wise captain I be, and takin' into account all factors when deciding whom to trust and whom not to trust.

CR

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 03:40

TinCow

10-02-2009, 03:41

Given the lack of any kill that is identifiable as mafia (even the solos could have been vigilantes), participation in any group last night is proof of absolutely nothing. Since they weren't killing, some of the mafioso could easily have been legitimately joining in groups.

However, I am not overly concerned about the vig kill on LG. LG was a likely candidate for the lynch today, so his loss is acceptable under the circumstances. In addition, vigilante kills don't change a townie into a scumbag like they do in Capo, so simply participating in a vig kill isn't something worth lynching someone over IMO.

To be fair, my result PM doesn't mention anything about the members of the protection group, only that CB survived and I got 100 gold.

Vote: Chaotix

How did you get 100 gold, when a successful protection only awards a total of 30, which is then divided up amongst all the protectors?

30: Amount awarded for successfully protecting an individual, divided up evenly among protectors (if treasure is left over, the remainder goes to those who sent in orders earlier)

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:41

A successful protection in a group nets you 15 gold. Chaotix is lying. Vote: Chaotix

No, it gets 30 divided among the participants. I take chaotix's post to be a typo (should be 10). If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?

And how did those who be in ye group contact ye? Did they come forward after ye asked for men to help ye kill LG? Or did ye go to them?

Both. Also, I was going to be part a group started by someone else attacking a protected target, but we went for LG instead.

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 03:42

No, it gets 30 divided among the participants. I take chaotix's post to be a typo (should be 10). If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?

Or he could have just read how much gold he had. Oops. :sweatdrop:

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:44

Yarrr, I be pointin' out that a group that didn't end up saving a life also nets you gold. But I'm mightily interested in what Chaotix meant by "100" gold. Perhaps he meant to say "10", but I can't speak fer him.

If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?

Now yer talkin'. :pirate2:

TinCow

10-02-2009, 03:46

No, it gets 30 divided among the participants. I take chaotix's post to be a typo (should be 10). If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?

Next time, let the suspect answer instead of giving him a spoon-fed excuse. :stare:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 03:51

Next time, let the suspect answer instead of giving him a spoon-fed excuse. :stare:

I'm not concerned about chaotix. He would have claimed typo in any case, and it doesn't follow as a mafia slipup. Why would he think he supposed to get 100 gold?

But yes, I'm focused on someone else right now...this is distracting us from woad&fangs...since you like letting suspects answer, how did you like his answer to my accusation (with the picture of the bird).

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 03:55

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 03:58

I be thinkin' that Tratorix should let us know who else was supposed to be workin' with 'im last night, so we can find out who is lying down on the job... or perhaps, just plain lying. Everyone should know, but if it were a problem, he should at least tell the Cap'n.

In good time, me rhymin' friend. I be, hmmm, pursuin' the matter as we speak.

Update: Turns out I only got 10 for the protection, 3 for voting and 2 for sending in an order. Dead end.

atheotes

10-02-2009, 04:14

I guess that some orders weren't submitted, so I FoS: All Lurkers...

Vote: Psychonaut

The night phase ended at 9am in Sydney so it seems plausible that someone inactive would miss out night orders if the phase ended at an awkward time... I think that made sense - I know what I mean.

Arent you from Sydney as well? :laugh4:

No, it gets 30 divided among the participants. I take chaotix's post to be a typo (should be 10). If you got 15 then someone skipped out of your group?

It is good if the money is not split three ways if one of the protectors pull out!

there were 2 solo attacks with a difference between them... Lg was able to fight off himself but Centurion needed the protectors. Was it simply because Centurion had protectors, GH decided to put them in the write up even though the attack would have failed anyway?

The 2 solo attackers could be
1. Serial Killer or secret role (Quite possible for LG's attacker if LG was British Special officer and had a % chance of survival)
2. Mafia members with a partner who failed to submit orders (Most likely)
3. vigilantes (least likely because there should be a high chance of them getting killed)

I think no. 2 is most possible and we possibly have 2 inactives each from the maven crew and British.

I also think we can clear 3 people. It would make no sense for the mafia to be committed to a protection group when the chances of that person getting hit is less than 1/40.

please correct me if ("where" is probably more apt :laugh4:) i am wrong :bow:

Lord Winter

10-02-2009, 04:29

He sent that before LG came under big suspicion. And I'm hoping LG was the british special officer, but then again I'm an optimist :beam:

Still doesn't matter. Hmm maybe your right, he deserves the lynch but that doesn't mean you can make a quick buck off it.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 04:32

In good time, me rhymin' friend. I be, hmmm, pursuin' the matter as we speak.

Update: Turns out I only got 10 for the protection, 3 for voting and 2 for sending in an order. Dead end.

YARRR!!! That led me to an interesting discovery, as I rechecked my own gold totals.

Know this, crew and Cap'n, I got the full 10 last night, when there were to be a group of four. I can account for the rest of me gold, the starting gold, and I can account for the extra three being my votin' gold.

Someone in me team didn't send in thar orders.

EDIT: NEVER YE MIND, forgot about the 2 for sending in the orders....

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 04:32

Still doesn't matter. Hmm maybe your right, he deserves the lynch but that doesn't mean you can make a quick buck off it.

The way to make money in this game is protection groups. You get the money even if the person isn't attacked. A 5 man kill group (8 gold) that might fail isn't really "making a quick buck".

YARRR!!! That led me to an interesting discovery, as I rechecked my own gold totals.

Know this, crew and Cap'n, I got the full 10 last night, when there were to be a group of four. I can account for the rest of me gold, the starting gold, and I can account for the extra three being my votin' gold.

Someone in me team didn't send in thar orders.

Are you sure you didn't forget the 2 gold for sending in an order? With a 4 person group it should be 8,8,7,7 gold for the 4 with the 8 going to those who submitted orders first.

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 04:33

Pizza, you also got two gold for simply submitting a night order, regardless of success.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 04:36

Yarrr... it makes sense now.

Come to think of it, could we catch a traitor that way? In order to disguise their movements, the Mavens and the Brits would likely need to follow orders and merely recruit, if they could get caught by a careful count of the gold each night. Somethin' isn't adding up, and I don't just mean my own bad math skills.

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 04:38

Pizza, you also got two gold for simply submitting a night order, regardless of success.

This is a really great way of encouraging participation, BTW. I approve. :beam:

Lord Winter

10-02-2009, 04:49

@Sasski, true I'm just uncomfortable with townies killing townies at this part of the game.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 04:50

The 2 solo attackers could be
1. Serial Killer or secret role (Quite possible for LG's attacker if LG was British Special officer and had a % chance of survival)
2. Mafia members with a partner who failed to submit orders (Most likely)
3. vigilantes (least likely because there should be a high chance of them getting killed)

Can the captain's first Mate not also perform a solo kill? Yarrr....

Diana Abnoba

10-02-2009, 04:56

The 2 single attackers to me seem like mafia hits. First one had protection so the attack failed. The second one, mafia hit 1st, if some players have luck like in capo, then the second hit, was VA kill and only 1 of 3 protectors showed.

@ Louis VI

I was in a protection group last night, to answer your question some posts back, confirmed by Pizza.

IC:

* Itchy Lou wakes up hungover*

Me mouth is as dry as the desert, wher's me rum.

*takes a drink from his rum bottle*

Yarrr, wher's me parrot too, here pete, where the +=$# are ye.

* Itchy Lou only finds one long tail feather*

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 04:56

@Sasski, true I'm just uncomfortable with townies killing townies at this part of the game.

Well, I'm not sure, but I think even random kills by townies lead to a higher chance of victory. At least in a game without two factions that's true. In those games, the mafia get to kill two townies, and the town has a chance at lynching a mafia. 3 people die a round. So, if the town vigs for three nights straight, they get one less lynch. But that's 3 shots at mafia compared to one, good for town. And LG was a very good suspect.

Can the captain's first Mate not also perform a solo kill? Yarrr....

It's possible Louis tried to kill grizz, yes. Although the solo attacker got defeated rather easily in the writeup.

a completely inoffensive name

10-02-2009, 04:57

Just got on my computer. Can someone tell me who we are all bandwagoning on today so I don't have to read 5 pages?

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 05:00

Just got on my computer. Can someone tell me who we are all bandwagoning on today so I don't have to read 5 pages?

Woad&Fangs

And Diana, we don't know if it's possible yet for anyone to be confirmed to have been in a protection group.

pevergreen

10-02-2009, 05:02

Plus, being confirmed by one other person doesnt mean a whole lot.

Not until proven innocent. :beam:

Diana Abnoba

10-02-2009, 05:08

Fine, do you like the word, vouch for, better. Was just answering the question, Louis posted, myself, as well.

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 05:11

Woad&Fangs

And Diana, we don't know if it's possible yet for anyone to be confirmed to have been in a protection group.

Sasaki, would you stop shooting down anything anyone says? Your not exactly stimulating discussion. And what is your case against W&F's exactly?

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 05:17

Sasaki, would you stop shooting down anything anyone says? Your not exactly stimulating discussion. And what is your case against W&F's exactly?

I didn't mean to shoot her down, but we can't go off the assumption that someone is "confirmed" or "accounted for" because they were in a townie group.

And my case against W&F's was posted earlier, if LG was mafia woad is likely his partner. It's been some time since I accused LG in the thread and his partners haven't shown up, even with his threatened vig killing and woads threatened lynch. It's worth taking a shot at crippling one of the mafia factions.

-edit-

I really feel that we are not in a "random vote, it's just round 1" phase.

CountArach

10-02-2009, 05:20

Arent you from Sydney as well? :laugh4:
Yes but I, on the other hand, was also notably active during that time. I also have no life...

Yaropolk

10-02-2009, 05:21

Yarr, you scurvie dogs calling my name, you're going to end up with a peg leg down ye gullt! I'm looking at you Princess. I looked at me paycheck and I see that it lists all the dubloons I have so far, not how much I earned that day. If Chaotix lists 100, then he's still where he started. Methinks his partner was off polishing his peg leg if you get me drift HAR HAR HAR! vote Woad&Fangs

atheotes

10-02-2009, 05:51

Are we sure we will get money even if we dont have the required number of people for protection?

from the rules:

30: Amount awarded for successfully protecting an individual, divided up evenly among protectors (if treasure is left over, the remainder goes to those who sent in orders earlier)

It looks like none of the 3 receive any money rather than 2 of them splitting it...

Yaro, even if one of the Chaotix's partners failed to protect, Chaotix should have more than 100 gold because he voted to select the captain...:juggle2:

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 05:56

Are we sure we will get money even if we dont have the required number of people for protection?

Let's say a protection group has three people, and somebody skimps out on their order, but the target is not attacked. The two people that still submitted the protection order will still only get 10.

atheotes

10-02-2009, 06:00

thanks for the clarification :bow:

what happens if the target is killed and the 2 protectors survive? they will not get anything because the protection effort was unsuccessful?

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 06:04

Correct, they won't get anything (save for the 2 gold from submitting a night order).

a completely inoffensive name

10-02-2009, 07:03

Woad&Fangs

K, no one else replied to my post with a different name so I will just follow you blindly.

vote Woad&Fangs

LittleGrizzly

10-02-2009, 07:40

Please people, a little faith in my ability... I wouldn't have jumped into centre stage so quickly in the game If i really didn't want to be there...

Im not allowed to discuss my role ect. now im dead...

W&F is a wasted lynch, lynching the person killing and organising murders is probably a better idea...

Im now in Pirate land (hevaen/hell) where im scrubbing the rafters to try and boost my meagre funds...

Thanks for the Game GH, I enjoyed it, ill keep watching...

Beefy187

10-02-2009, 07:56

I missed my orders by 20 min. Luckily who I failed to protect didn't get attacked.

Sigurd

10-02-2009, 08:41

Me tinks that dog Sasaki have his fevered head right on tis mornin'. That Bilge drinker, LittleGrizzly has more or less confessed in his last statement. I say; let the cat o' nine tails dance on that woad&fangs' back before we serve him up for Davy Jones' locker.

vote: woad&fangs

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 08:54

I guess he well be the first to walk the plank:whip:
Vote: woad&fangs

I remind everyone to not totally trust shipmate, Sasaki "The Plotter" Kojiro. He has that name for a reason....:brood:

Andres

10-02-2009, 09:02

Yarrrr! Argh!!!

Could you just shut up for a minuate, all ye drunkards?

I say Sasaki is the man we should follow! Thnx to him, I earned gold last night! And I took it from that Britisch scumbag, LittleGrizzly!

What has Crazed ever done for us? And his lackey officers?

Ha, that wimp Louis came begging to me last night: boohoohoo, protect me, oh please protect me, boohoohoo. A real pirate doesn't need protection! And Captain Crazed? What did he do? "Oh, protect poor little Louis! He can't protect himself! Boohoohoo!"

I want real men, like Sasaki to lead us. The only real officer we have right now, is Sigurd. Louis and Crazed are wimps!

Ye both grow some hair on your chests or mutiny it will be, says I!

Vote : woad&fangs

Because the REAL captain says so!

Death is yonder

10-02-2009, 09:18

Yarr!

Even if I don't trust Sasaki very much, I trust what the cap'n or his mates say. And that be some mighty condemning evidence on the accused there, ye scum have anything to say about it?

Vote: Woad&Fangs

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 09:26

Yarrr... I'm keeping my peepers on A1_Unit, but in the absence of better suspects, I agree that LittleGrizzly's group should have shown up to defend him by now. And LittleGrizzly knowing somehow that woad&fangs is a wasted lynch doesn't make sense to me. Even an investigator wouldn't know for certain that woad is innocent.

unvote, vote: woad&fangs

Thar be no other leadership in sight, and no better case being made.

Captain Blackadder

10-02-2009, 10:47

Vote : woad&fangs

He seem to not be scummy to me he must be a navy man

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-02-2009, 11:00

I fer one be not followin' the leadership of Sasaki.

Vote: Abstain

Takin' such faulty evidence and runnin' with it.... God help us all.

He may be right.... But I do not approve.

taka

10-02-2009, 11:17

why we voting for woads&fangs?

bah, whatever, Badnwaggonin's the Pirate's way! YAR!

vote: woads&fangs

TinCow

10-02-2009, 12:05

I'm not concerned about chaotix. He would have claimed typo in any case, and it doesn't follow as a mafia slipup. Why would he think he supposed to get 100 gold?

You're an incredible mind reader. I guess you also knew that after you posted LG's PMs that he would first claim they were fake, and then admit that they were real? Sometimes mafioso hang themselves. Do us all a favor and don't take the rope away before they do.

But yes, I'm focused on someone else right now...this is distracting us from woad&fangs...since you like letting suspects answer, how did you like his answer to my accusation (with the picture of the bird).

I didn't like it at all, and he is indeed the best candidate right now.

Unvote: Vote:woad&fangs

Well, I'm not sure, but I think even random kills by townies lead to a higher chance of victory. At least in a game without two factions that's true. In those games, the mafia get to kill two townies, and the town has a chance at lynching a mafia. 3 people die a round. So, if the town vigs for three nights straight, they get one less lynch. But that's 3 shots at mafia compared to one, good for town. And LG was a very good suspect.

Are you proposing that we should be randomly vig killing people every night?

DisgruntledGoat

10-02-2009, 12:47

So taking a chance on weak evidence and fluking out deserves respect! Ha! Seems to me that Sasaki and his bunk mates be wishing to mutiny and kill our good captain. I don't think fighting for control of the ship is what we should be doing at this point in time.

FoS: Sasaki
Vote: Andres

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 12:53

I say Sasaki is the man we should follow! Thnx to him, I earned gold last night! And I took it from that Britisch scumbag, LittleGrizzly!
I thought you don't get the money of those you kill?:inquisitive:

Andres

10-02-2009, 12:58

I thought you don't get the money of those you kill?:inquisitive:

Your group gets 40 gold if you kill, that's 10 more than ye get for protecting!

Thanks to Sasaki, I earned more!

(inner voice: but you have to share with more people - shut up!)

Andres

10-02-2009, 13:00

I thought you don't get the money of those you kill?:inquisitive:

Ye avatar looks suspiciously similar to that of DisgruntledGoat :inquisitive:

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 13:08

Ha, that wimp Louis came begging to me last night: boohoohoo, protect me, oh please protect me, boohoohoo.The crew is busy investigating, organising, protecting, and torturing parrots.
More importantly, I believe you came to me last night, looking for a job? After which I provided you with several options for protection groups looking for idle hands?

Fit like?

You have any groups that be needing bodies?

Hey there,

****2 was going to get back to me, but I still haven't heard of him.

It seems like ****1 and me are still jobless for the night.

Anyone of you still available for a protection tonight? I'm open for vig killing to, but can't think of a good suspect (the case agains LittleGrizzly doesn't seem to warrant killing him).

A.

As first mate, I am not available for townie work tonight.

***** was looking for hands. ***** was busy organising as well. I think ***** may be organising groups too.
Any of them might know of available hands for tonight, or of jobs with vacancies.

Mind, at this stage of the game, I do not know who anybody is, or who can be trusted.

Good luck!

(The innocent First Mate of this ship is maybe not protected yet. Able bodied men could perhaps protect him, hint hint) So, Andres comes fishing for a vigilante kill group to me. I provide him with a whopping three options for protection groups. Andres doesn't take up any of them. Instead, he kept looking until he did find a vig group.
Oh - and I 'carelessly' let know that I wasn't protected indeed. Wimpyness? Or me using the rogue town/vig group/maven grapevine to lure the more bloodthirsty members of the crew/maven into the open?

So you're a bit bloodthirsty? Killing people. Calling for more killing. Bragging about the amount of money kills make for the town. Enticing people to start killing too. Calling for mutiny.
Are you sure you are pro-town, Andres? Or is your/Sasaki's kill group simply intent on playing their own agenda, at the expense of the other townies?

Why don't you provide us with the names of the kill squad instead? That our investigators can compare it with who has been killing last night?

Centurion1

10-02-2009, 13:14

who did the kill thats what i like to be knowing. I don't like any killing this early on the voyage, to be sure

Andres

10-02-2009, 13:20

The crew is busy investigating, organising, protecting, and torturing parrots.
More importantly, I believe you came to me last night, looking for a job? After which I provided you with several options for protection groups looking for idle hands?

So, Andres comes fishing for a vigilante kill group to me. I provide him with a whopping three options for protection groups. Andres doesn't take up any of them. Instead, he kept looking until he did find a vig group.
Oh - and I 'carelessly' let know that I wasn't protected indeed. Wimpyness? Or me using the grapevine to lure the more bloodthirsty members of the crew/maven into the open?

So you're a bit bloodthirsty? Killing people. Calling for more killing. Bragging about the amount of money kills make for the town. Enticing people to start killing too. Calling for mutiny.
Are you sure you are pro-town, Andres? Or is your/Sasaki's kill group simply intent on playing their own agenda, at the expense of the other townies?

Why don't you provide us with the names of the kill squad instead? That our investigators can compare it with who has been killing last night?

I believe most of them already confessed.

YLC took too long to give me instructions. CR pm'ed me instructions after I already sent in orders to work with Sasaki's group.

Grizzly was a suspect; he died. Why? He said the pm's Sasaki posted were fake, while they weren't. He was a liar. I don't think we would have had a better lynch option than Grizzly this round. Instead of wasting a round to do an inevitable lynch, we already did what was necessary at night.

Calling you and CR wimps was more roleplaying. In case there comes a mutiny, it will serve as a build up to it and make the game more fun.

"Our investigators" read this thread too. They already know who was in the vig squad on Grizzly.

Andres

10-02-2009, 13:22

who did the kill thats what i like to be knowing. I don't like any killing this early on the voyage, to be sure

Yeah, the British and mavens probably don't like it that the pirates are willing to make their hands dirty when they smell something fishy.

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 13:32

Calling you and CR wimps was more roleplaying. In case there comes a mutiny, it will serve as a build up to it and make the game more fun.I know you are roleplaying, and imma let you finish, but the officers here are engaged in some of the most active and aggressive pursuits of our enemies of all time.

I had to answer the allegations of wimpyness and inactivity. Lest rogue crew members (and the rejoicing mafia) think a mutiny would stand a whiff of a chance.

ULC

10-02-2009, 13:32

Aye be lodging me vote.

Vote: Jolt

KukriKhan

10-02-2009, 13:36

vote: Andres

who rudely never answered my PM (because he was obviously actively looking for a kill-group vs my "wimpy" proposed protection group).

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 13:44

vote: Andres

who rudely never answered my PM (because he was obviously actively looking for a kill-group vs my "wimpy" proposed protection group).At what exact time was this? I wouldn't mind comparing it with his PM to me, asking for hands.

Andres

10-02-2009, 13:50

vote: Andres

who rudely never answered my PM (because he was obviously actively looking for a kill-group vs my "wimpy" proposed protection group).

By the time you answered me, I already sent in my orders and logged off.

You were too slow, greybeard ~;p

KukriKhan

10-02-2009, 13:52

At what exact time was this? I wouldn't mind comparing it with his PM to me, asking for hands.

T'was t' exact same PM, sent to recipients:

KukriKhan, Louis VI the Fat, SSNeoperestroika, Yaseikhaan

at 04:59, my time (GMT -7).

atheotes

10-02-2009, 13:53

Andres said this to Louis

I'm open for vig killing to, but can't think of a good suspect (the case agains LittleGrizzly doesn't seem to warrant killing him).

and still went on to kill LG because there were no other vigilante groups? :inquisitive:

Vote: Andres

KukriKhan

10-02-2009, 13:55

By the time you answered me, I already sent in my orders and logged off.

You were too slow, greybeard ~;p

Heh. Story of my life, matey!

So what was/is your motivation for killing on night 1, when any evidence of guilt would, by definition, be flimsy, my lawyerly pal?

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 14:03

Ye avatar looks suspiciously similar to that of DisgruntledGoat :inquisitive:
Ye have been drinking too much, "Anxious" Andres....I have me full-grown facial hair.:Mr-T:

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 14:04

T'was t' exact same PM, sent to recipients:

at 04:59, my time (GMT -7).01/10/09 Andres asked me for a job at:

12:59 Andres

Both Andres and my time would be GMT +1. So that's 12:59 - 8 = 04:59. Which strikes me as very odd, since it is the exact same time as Kukri's PM. (My .org is one hour behind my RL time. Probably set on GMT)
I am not sure I worked out the times properly.

Andres, your PM to me and Kukri's PM to you seem to have been simultaneous. You say you had already decided on Sasaki's kill group before Kukri reached you. Had you already decided on Sasaki's kill group before you contacted me?

Andres

10-02-2009, 14:04

Andres said this to Louis

and still went on to kill LG because there were no other vigilante groups? :inquisitive:

Vote: Andres

That is indeed what I said.

Heh. Story of my life, matey!

So what was/is your motivation for killing on night 1, when any evidence of guilt would, by definition, be flimsy, my lawyerly pal?

My motivation is in my kill order:

Not very satisfied with the case against him, but doing nothing is boring.

Kill : LittleGrizzly

Group: Andres, Mister White, Mister Pink, Mister Blue, Mister Orange

:bow:

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 14:06

Regarding transferring gold:

I've had several requests do so. This was something I didn't really anticipate when concocting the game, thus I'm going to put the following caveats on it:

- It must be done for services rendered. You're bloodthirsty pirates. You don't give other people money out of the goodness of your heart.
- The services must be publicly available.
- It must be for a small fee. 10 gold or less.

KukriKhan

10-02-2009, 14:07

That is indeed what I said.

My motivation is in my kill order:

So you and Sasaki and three others were bored, so killed someone - knowing you also had the power to protect someone.

Andres

10-02-2009, 14:09

01/10/09 Andres asked me for a job at:

12:59 Andres

Both Andres and my time would be GMT +1. So that's 12:59 - 8 = 04:59. Which strikes me as very odd, since it is the exact same time as Kukri's PM. (My .org is one hour behind my RL time. Probably set on GMT)
I am not sure I worked out the times properly.

Andres, your PM to me and Kukri's PM to you seem to have been simultaneous. You say you had already decided on Sasaki's kill group before Kukri reached you. Had you already decided on Sasaki's kill group before you contacted me?

I sent in my kill order at 15h40 (GMT+2)

Kukri replied to my pm at 18h32 (GMT+2) and CR sent me his orders at 19h35 (GMT+2). By that time I was already gone (haven't been on the Org yesterday evening). Too late.

Andres

10-02-2009, 14:10

So you and Sasaki and three others were bored, so killed someone - knowing you also had the power to protect someone.

I thought doing nothing would be boring, I can't speak for my colleagues.

And Grizzly was a liar, not just "someone". I believe that the chance that Grizzly was scum was higher than the chance that my random protection target would be attacked.

atheotes

10-02-2009, 14:13

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

Andres

10-02-2009, 14:14

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

~:confused:

Can you please rephrase that question?

seireikhaan

10-02-2009, 14:18

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill somebody night one.... how suspicious.

Andres

10-02-2009, 14:18

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill Killing somebody night one.... how suspicious.

Fixed.

EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.

When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.

seireikhaan

10-02-2009, 14:27

Fixed.
End result is rather irrelevent for the purposes of figuring intent.

EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.
WIFOM

Besides, I do out of the box stuff plenty of times. Just not on night one. When townie.

When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.
You mean like my night one kill of Quintus, who was nothing but townsperson?

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 14:33

There were good reasons to kill Grizzly. There were good reasons not to kill him. I can live with his death. I am not going to lynch a town player over it.

No, what worries me, is a rogue town group forming. We all know this game is a contest between townies as well as between mafia and town. So I consider it my duty to suppress any rogue town group from forming. Sasaki and Andres both openly call for mutiny. Which, however one may feel about it, is waaay too early. They have a vig group. They stubbornly refuse to give names. There are things about Andres PMs that are not cleared up entirely. :whip:
And are we sure they are not infiltrated or about to be recruited by maven/english?

I won't vote the vig group. I do not kill town. But I will be keeping a close watch on them. :pirate:

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 14:35

You mean like my night one kill of Quintus, who was nothing but a Incorruptible townsperson?

It wasn't your fault Khaan....I helped and I was "Incorruptible":embarassed:

I am not a fan of a Vig group on day one. We should wait for three days at least before we start killing unless you have some pretty strong "Evidence".:juggle2:

woad&fangs

10-02-2009, 14:53

unvote: abstain; Vote: Andres

Squawk! Mutiny will not be tolerated. Mutiny will not be tolerated. 2 gold pieces to anyone who votes for Andres. Squawk!

Andres

10-02-2009, 15:00

unvote: abstain; Vote: Andres

Squawk! Mutiny will not be tolerated. Mutiny will not be tolerated. 2 gold pieces to anyone who votes for Andres. Squawk!Hi, I want to save my own skin. If I would be just a pirate, I would just say so, but as a mafioso, I am concerned about appearing innocent, so I give a "reason" to vote Andres. Alas, by doing so, I give myself away, because the "reason" I use is nonsensical. In fact, I confessed that I'm mafia.

Fixed.

TinCow

10-02-2009, 15:08

*sigh*

Why does Sasaki always have to be right about these things?

ricera10

10-02-2009, 15:25

Vote: woad&fangs

It's getting close to the end of day 2; it feels strange lynching people so quickly but it's in our best interest for it to be done.

atheotes

10-02-2009, 15:29

I I believe that the chance that Grizzly was scum was higher than the chance that my random protection target would be attacked.

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

~:confused:

Can you please rephrase that question?

Would like to hear your reasoning...thats all :shrug:

atheotes

10-02-2009, 15:31

unvote: abstain; Vote: Andres

Squawk! Mutiny will not be tolerated. Mutiny will not be tolerated. 2 gold pieces to anyone who votes for Andres. Squawk!

:laugh4:
Does it apply to anyone who has already voted Andres?

Andres

10-02-2009, 15:54

Would like to hear your reasoning...thats all :shrug:

I already gave my reasoning : Grizzly lied about the pm's; instead of wasting a round on the inevitable lynch of a liar (it's not like catching somebody in a clear lie would not have been the best case we would have had round 1), we took matters in our own hand.

Pirates need to kill suspects. I did just that, but I used the vig kill instead of the lynch. I think I've said it earlier in this game: why should we not use all means at our disposal? Vig kill is a powerful tool and Grizzly was a good target.

scotchedpommes

10-02-2009, 15:58

Vote: Andres

Sleekit AndrestheCunning. I shall pattern my life after the random loopings of your entrails.

Death is yonder

10-02-2009, 16:04

Another point of consideration is that Vig Kills are not necessarily a step towards evil, as in Capo III.

The only way the Vig Kills will be detrimental, is that:

No.1: They are headed towards a treasure "personal victory"
No.2: They are scum who are trying to reduce the number of the town even more

Although Point 1 is rendered somewhat ineffective as protections are more efficient in the dollar returns.

Still... there are two sides of the coin as to whether the vig kills are beneficial now, but the point is still moot.

scotchedpommes

10-02-2009, 16:09

No.1: They are headed towards a treasure "personal victory"
No.2: They are scum who are trying to reduce the number of the town even more
Or scum from the Maven seeking to amass as much coin as possible afore they crawl back to their master.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 16:12

YARRRR thar be no significant difference between protection and killin', gold-wise.

You need 4 fer killin, result is 40/4 people. 10 each. Minus any fer a fifth member.
You need 3 fer protectin', result is 30/3 people. 10 each. Minus any fer a fourth.

Why does Sasaki always have to be right about these things?

I don't really care why he's right. I'll take what me can get. So long as the end result is good fer this ship, I've suddenly stopped carrrrrrin' about his methods.

:pirate:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 16:21

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill somebody night one.... how suspicious.

Fos:Yaseikhaan

Trying to lynch somebody day one...how suspicious.

There were good reasons to kill Grizzly. There were good reasons not to kill him. I can live with his death. I am not going to lynch a town player over it.

No, what worries me, is a rogue town group forming. We all know this game is a contest between townies as well as between mafia and town. So I consider it my duty to suppress any rogue town group from forming. Sasaki and Andres both openly call for mutiny. Which, however one may feel about it, is waaay too early. They have a vig group. They stubbornly refuse to give names. There are things about Andres PMs that are not cleared up entirely. :whip:
And are we sure they are not infiltrated or about to be recruited by maven/english?

I won't vote the vig group. I do not kill town. But I will be keeping a close watch on them. :pirate:

Sasaki, Andres, AVSM, pevergreen, Jolt. They showed courage last night, I don't think they be afraid to have it known.

No one is voting mutiny, we just be talking, tis the pirate way.

The things about andres's pm's/kukri etc should be cleared up.

I am not a fan of a Vig group on day one. We should wait for three days at least before we start killing unless you have some pretty strong "Evidence".

Nein. I posted ze math already. Random vig killing is beneficial to the town--though I don't really support it because it seems lame. Vig killing for good reason is fine night one. Worked well in rubicon too.

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 16:26

Random vig killing by everyone in the game would almost certainly cripple both mafia families and end this voyage rather quickly. I myself haven't suggested it because it seem to be game-breaking. The sheer amount of kills done by the town would have rather excellent odds of hitting a traitor, and they would happen too fast fer the traitors to do serious recruiting. There's also seemingly no incentive to not do kills, as doing them doesn't bring you closer to being mafia, as in Capo. Yarrrr.

LittleGrizzly

10-02-2009, 16:29

*sigh*

My own death is acceptable, I didn't aim for it but I had some entertainment with it and got to be the centre of attention so it wasn't all that bad...

Now Woad&Fangs is on the chopping block I feel a little guilty... its all well and good getting myself killed, but getting someone else killed trough my messing around would make me feel bad...

So I can't give away my role but Im assuming I can explain the rational behind my posts....

Firstly my original post about sasaki lying was more of a joke than anything else, I included the laughing smiley in there for a reason (i never once laugh at my own jokes) of course sasaki then came along and said i would claim it was a joke which was a smart move as it gave me no explanation to my actions... I though about extending the joke to include a comment about the terrible spelling and grammar in the post but didn't think i could pull off good enough spelling and grammar in the post to make the joke work....

Look at how that post is constructed, by my standards thats top class written English (i deleted the spelling and grammar joke off the end)

Then onto this post

I be a downright dirty decieving pirate....

Did anyone else notice that post was filled with my attmept at roleplaying... im pretty sure pirates are decietful liars... unfortunately I don't think anyone took this meaning from this...

But roleplaying aside... why the heck would call it a fake and then admit it was not if i wasn't messing around...

Its hardly if at that point people were piling the pressure on calling it out as a real PM i wrote, sasaki's pretty skilled im sure he could have faked such a pm convo from me if he needed to (he probably wouldn't this early though)

As best I can remember thats about it... you could always wait to see my post mortem results to check out what I am. Unfortunately the sharks smell blood and thier not letting up... be careful its not your gold thier after next time...

Lastly, apologies woad&fangs.. looks like I may have got you killed... (i probably owe the rest of the town an apology for making this some of the most useless opening rounds from the towns point of view in recent times)

Unless anyone has any questions about what I said I'll leave it there as it looks like im not helping at all anyway... good luck and happy plundering!

[Language please - GH]

atheotes

10-02-2009, 16:34

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 16:47

unvote, vote: Andres

@ Woad - Since you are going to walk the plank, you should write a will and distribute your gold to the poor souls who tried to save you :wink: and we will drink to your memory :bow:

(pulls out his blade, points it at atheotes)

You opportunistic, schemin', honorless buzzard! ....YARRR!!!! :laugh4: I like the way you think. Cheers matey. :medievalcheers:

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 17:25

LittleGrizzly, why be ye carin' about woad&fangs? Why would ye be speakin' with him if he not be one of the crew of 'protectors' ye said ye was workin' with? Why should he defend you?

CR

TinCow

10-02-2009, 17:42

woad&fangs: 11 (Sasaki, Yaropolk, ACIN, Sigurd, W_E, Andres, DiY, ATPG, Captain Blackadder, taka, TinCow)
Andres: 7 (DisgruntledGoat, KukriKhan, atheotes, 'khaan, woad&fangs, ricera10, SSN)

Jolt: 2 (pevergreen, YLC)
A1 Unit: 1 (Lord Winter)
Tratorix: 1 (Chaotix)
Psychonaut: 1 (CountArach)
Sasaki: 1( miotas)

Abstain: 3 (Reenk, A1 Unit, Cultured Drizzt fan)

naut

10-02-2009, 17:43

Vote: Abstain

Long weekend round here, can't really keep up as I'm not really not at home much.

Jolt

10-02-2009, 17:57

FoS: pevergreen & YLC

Why the heck are you both voting for me with no reason?

Trying to create a bandwagon, are we?

Vote: pevergreen

[Language please - GH]

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 18:07

Vote: Andres Well, his opponent be promisin' gold and Andres is apparently very fond of the pursuit of treasure. I'm sure he'd approve.

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 18:10

Vote: Andres Well, his opponent be promisin' gold and Andres is apparently very fond of the pursuit of treasure. I'm sure he'd approve.

hmmm......I am thinking of changing my vote for GOLD.....:juggle2 (I am a Pirate after all....) can we get Gold for changing our vote??:book:

Andres is now on thin ice, if I do that though...:yes:

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 18:13

Sorry Andres....but that 2 gold is too tempting...:clown:

Unvote:Woad&Fangs Vote: Andres

Perhaps you will match his offer?:deal:

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 18:13

The max gold that Woadsy can give out for people voting for Andres is 10, total. He can split that up however he wants.

-edit- White_eyes, bold your vote.

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:15

Ouch! Conspiracy! But he can still distibute it through his will right?

Subotan

10-02-2009, 18:21

Vote: Andres

For bypassing the democratic process on this here vessel.

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 18:21

Will he still be able to if he gets lynched??:juggle2:

10 gold is kinda bad.....I was assuming we would be able to give ANY sum of gold to not get lynched...would have been more of a greed thing if that was the case:stare:

But I guess Pirates did this out of the kindness of their hearts....."There is no justice":laugh4:

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:27

yeah... the 10 gold cap should apply only for services rendered...in this case i am rendering Woad a service at a price of 2 gold :pleased:

by my reckoning the votes are now tied between Andres and Woad...

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:29

unvote, Andres, Vote: Woad

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 18:30

All right, drop me a PM if you're voting for Andres only because of woad's gold offer.

YOU WILL ONLY GET THE GOLD IF YOU PM ME. Otherwise I will not distinguish and assume that you're doing so out of the goodness of your heart. :yes:

Beskar

10-02-2009, 18:34

The gold is better in my hands than the enemies, so I will vote: Andres so the gold doesn't go to the evil British or evil Marques.

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 18:34

Unvote:Andres Vote: Woad&Fangs

1 gold is not worth it....:juggle2:

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 18:36

Bribing people fer votes... and no one has bribed me yet. I'm insulted!!! Did you not hear me when I was singin' fer coin?? Yarrrr....

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:38

So you are going to allow 2 gold per vote...
hmm...
get 2 gold or vote for the suspect... :juggle2:
to Roleplay or not... :juggle2:

:thinking:

shlin28

10-02-2009, 18:39

Unvote:Andres Vote: Woad&Fangs

1 gold is not worth it....:juggle2:

I am ashamed to call you a pirate - any honest pirate knows that all treasure, whether it is the smallest parrot droppin', or the greatest hoard of lost Incan treasure, must be looted!

Vote: White Eyes:D

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:42

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 18:43

I need to cast a vote still.
Andres I am not sure I want to lynch. Even if he was a bit 'creative' with the truth about PM's. (Just like Grizzly was. :tongue: )

You crew may divide all the lynch gold amongst yourselves. Me, I only want to make sure our crew gets to actually enjoy its well-deserved gold on some sunny island, with lots of beach, lots of Brazilian girls, and lots of wax.

I am going to make myself some delicious parrot stew, then use its legs as a toothpick afterwards:

Vote: Woad&Fangs

I can't work out what his role is. (Serial killer? Jester?)
But in the absence of woad putting up a defense of why our parrot is pro-town, I'll vote him.

I feel very bad about possibly killing a pro-town role. But neither Grizzly nor Woad can (is allowed to?) make the case why Woad is pro-town.

Subotan

10-02-2009, 18:46

Do I still get my gold if I vote for Andres receiving justice, but the majority of the crew's minds are fuzzy from too much grog, and they end up voting for Woad by mistake?

White_eyes:D

10-02-2009, 18:46

And risk having a Vig group visit you?:laugh4:

Ye can't have any use for gold, if your dead...:skull:

Funny how you voted just now, yet your getting mad at me for not being greedy enough?......:inquisitive:

Edit: "Suicide" shlin28 is your new name...:clown:

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 18:48

Do I still get my gold if I vote for Andres receiving justice, but the majority of the crew's minds are fuzzy from too much grog, and they end up voting for Woad by mistake?

Well, right now, all of the gold isn't used up yet.

I'll leave little bit of information to you. Make what you want out of it. :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 18:52

I am ashamed to call you a pirate - any honest pirate knows that all treasure, whether it is the smallest parrot droppin', or the greatest hoard of lost Incan treasure, must be looted!

Vote: White Eyes:D
Aye laddie, if you'd be willin' to vote fer parrot droppin's, I'd like to introduce ye to my friend Itchy Lou. His beard be full of the stuff. You can have all ye want if you vote the way I tells ye....

:pirate2:

atheotes

10-02-2009, 18:59

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 19:02

Are you sure he is a parrot? I dunno.

I am just getting paranoid about all these parrot droppings...

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:04

The gold is better in my hands than the enemies, so I will vote: Andres so the gold doesn't go to the evil British or evil Marques.

Y'mean the Maven crew? (spits) I believe the Brits would probably have Letters of Marque, though. Got Britain on the brain, Beskar?

Beskar

10-02-2009, 19:08

Y'mean the Maven crew? (spits) I believe the Brits would probably have Letters of Marque, though. Got Britain on the brain, Beskar?

Arrgh, they are no different to me. Feeling defensive of your Maven firends, Tratorix?

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:12

Arrgh, they are no different to me. Feeling defensive of your Maven firends, Tratorix?

Just thought it was an interestin' slip O' the tongue on yer part. Perhaps you ought to lay off the grog and switch ta somethin' lighter. Tea, perhaps? :wiseguy:

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 19:13

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 19:14

Just thought it was an interestin' slip O' the tongue on yer part. Perhaps you ought to lay off the grog and switch ta somethin' lighter. Tea, perhaps? :wiseguy:

Perhaps the grog is not to his taste. "Pink Gin" was the traditional drink of British officers I believe...

actually it's very tasty, way better than rum mixed with water :sweatdrop:

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:15

Perhaps the grog is not to his taste. "Pink Gin" was the traditional drink of British officers I believe...

actually it's very tasty, way better than rum mixed with water :sweatdrop:

No true pirate is drinkin' rum for the taste. :laugh4:

ULC

10-02-2009, 19:18

Arrgh, they are no different to me. Feeling defensive of your Maven firends, Tratorix?

Remember tat folks - settin fire to yer friends is how Beskar goes about it.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 19:23

No true pirate is drinkin' rum for the taste. :laugh4:

Arrg, ye sayin ye don't like the taste of grog? Why, me mother fed it to me by the spoonful as a lad.

***************

If the vote is tied within 15 minutes of the deadline, I have 5 gold for whoever breaks it so that woad gets lynched.

TinCow

10-02-2009, 19:24

ARR! This truly be th' most piratical lynch ever seen on th' high seas! Our captain surely be lookin' up at us from Davey Jones' Locker with pride! ARR!

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:25

Arrg, ye sayin ye don't like the taste of grog? Why, me mother fed it to me by the spoonful as a lad.

***************

If the vote is tied within 15 minutes of the deadline, I have 5 gold for whoever breaks it so that woad gets lynched.

I like it just fine. :pirate: I'm jus sayin' there's other things about it I like more. And now you put up an offer that makes me regret sellin' me vote early. :wall:

scottishranger

10-02-2009, 19:27

Me wonders why the White Eyes be offering money for votes? Perhaps he has no value for gold yarr?

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 19:27

Ahoy from me, ye scallywags!

I be here to let ye know of a special chance to get your own dirty pictures of the loosest whenches from all over the Caribbean!!

For the small price of 10 gold, ye can get your own special image!

The be the most scandalous, smuttiest pictures ye 'av ever seen! I dread to show them to even you hardened (pun) pirates!

'Ere's one to whet yer appetite:
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2915/barwench.jpg (https://img134.imageshack.us/i/barwench.jpg/)

Subotan

10-02-2009, 19:27

GeneralHankerchief

10-02-2009, 19:28

Okay, just to preserve my sanity, all transactions need to be verified by PM. :dizzy2:

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:29

Yo ho, yo ho a pirate's life fer me. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 19:32

If there's a tie, 10 gold will go to the sailor who votes for Andres to meet his deserved fate.

Very well, I up my offer to 10 as well. But I'm curious, why are you so eager to see andres dead that you'd give up that amount of gold?

Woad is probably mafia, and eliminating him before nightfall could be a great help to us.

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 19:32

Very well, I up my offer to 10 as well. But I'm curious, why are you so eager to see andres dead that you'd give up that amount of gold?

Woad is probably mafia, and eliminating him before nightfall could be a great help to us.

I'm guessin' he just did it ta screw up yer offer. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 19:42

YARRR!!! My vote be fer sale, but I won't do anything for less than a hundred.... err... thousand... a million doubloons! Any takers? I tells ya what, I'll even throw in Itchy Lou, for... double the price. If ye act now ye get a ten percent discount... err... rebate. Mail-in rebate... that takes eight to ten years fer delivery. Satisfaction guaranteed*!

*not a guarantee.

Subotan

10-02-2009, 19:43

Like I said:

Vote: Andres

For bypassing the democratic process on this here vessel.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 19:45

Like I said:

Offering gold for votes isn't very democratic, now is it ~;)

Do you intend to vote for all the other vigilantes? Do you think LG was innocent?

ULC

10-02-2009, 19:50

Okay, just to preserve my sanity, all transactions need to be verified by PM. :dizzy2:

Ah, setting a trend now am I :laugh4:

Maybe I should go back into my merchant role from Khaans game.

Subotan

10-02-2009, 20:01

Offering gold for votes isn't very democratic, now is it ~;)

The line between "persuasion" and mob rule is quite thick. Besides, I'm only helping sustain the democratic process. :yes:

Do you intend to vote for all the other vigilantes? Do you think LG was innocent?

Maybe. But seeing as how I can't read the future, I have no idea what the circumstances surrounding their actions will be like.

Besides, that's not even the real reason.

arrrr! Argh!!!

Could you just shut up for a minuate, all ye drunkards?

I say Sasaki is the man we should follow! Thnx to him, I earned gold last night! And I took it from that Britisch scumbag, LittleGrizzly!

What has Crazed ever done for us? And his lackey officers?

Ha, that wimp Louis came begging to me last night: boohoohoo, protect me, oh please protect me, boohoohoo. A real pirate doesn't need protection! And Captain Crazed? What did he do? "Oh, protect poor little Louis! He can't protect himself! Boohoohoo!"

I want real men, like Sasaki to lead us. The only real officer we have right now, is Sigurd. Louis and Crazed are wimps!

Ye both grow some hair on your chests or mutiny it will be, says I!

Inciting mutiny amongst the crew has serious repercussions. Captain Rabbit is the Captain for a reason; he was elected by this here crew, and leader of this here crew he shall remain. By threatening mutiny, Andres is leading a coup against the very principles of piracy; the individual pursuit of treasure for the benefit of the whole crew, rather than the autocratic demands of a Admiralissimo out only for himself.

Also, why aren't we asking why are you so determined not to see Andres dead? Is it because of this sentence?

I say Sasaki is the man we should follow!
Hmm. Suspicious much?

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 20:13

Besides, that's not even the real reason.

So to single out this for a moment, you said it was the reason, I asked what the reason was and you said it was the reason again, I question the reason and you say "that's not even the real reason"?

:stare:

Andres has something odd about pm'ing louis saying something that contradicts kukri sending him a pm at the same time or something...he needs to answer what louis was asking him about. Right now, I think LG was mafia and woad is his partner--that makes him a priority.

the very principles of piracy;

So you dropped one explanation when it wasn't working for you, and delved into roleplaying about "true pirates" as an excuse.

:juggle2:

Subotan

10-02-2009, 20:22

So to single out this for a moment, you said it was the reason, I asked what the reason was and you said it was the reason again, I question the reason and you say "that's not even the real reason"?

I didn't say it was the reason.

Andres has something odd about pm'ing louis saying something that contradicts kukri sending him a pm at the same time or something...he needs to answer what louis was asking him about. Right now, I think LG was mafia and woad is his partner--that makes him a priority.

OK, that seems to be a reasonable train of thought. I'll concede, if we agree to bring Andres to trial before his peers after wiping out Woad.

So you dropped one explanation when it wasn't working for you, and delved into roleplaying about "true pirates" as an excuse.

Regardless of the silly RPing I did, my argument still holds that Andres was inciting mutiny, and that you in particular seemed to benefit from his continued survival :pirate:

Andres

10-02-2009, 20:44

Vote: Andres

For bypassing the democratic process on this here vessel.

I killed a suspect. That's what pirates do on this boat: taking out suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. Thinking that would be narrow minded.

gibsonsg91921

10-02-2009, 20:53

Vote: Present

College is leaving me BAMBOOZLED.

Er, ARR MATEYS PILLAGING BABIES IS LEAVING ME POOPED ON THE POOPDECK

LittleGrizzly

10-02-2009, 21:03

I killed a suspect. That's what pirates do on this boat: taking out suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. Thinking that would be narrow minded.

I think thats why thier voting you.... to kill a suspect, rather than just someone messing around (me) we have a confirmed killer, so the reasoning is fairly obvious...

Sasaki how confident are you about my guilt (and woads by association) you willing to hand over say the fee of 30 gold (or 15 per player) when you discover your wrong to the captain ?

I bet woad would be willing to give up all of his money should I be proven guilty, are you so confident woad ?

Askthepizzaguy

10-02-2009, 21:07

Yarrr... why are you so keen to make bets about yer supposed innocence, LittleGhostly? We will know what you are in a couple days' time. Focusing on yourself does nary a thing for catching the traitors here.

taka

10-02-2009, 21:11

unvote: W&F

Vote: Andres

Yar! killin' be bad! Especially so soon!

TinCow

10-02-2009, 21:16

Double A

10-02-2009, 21:19

Fixed.

EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.

When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.

I was a doctor in Capo and almost died from a random vig kill :brood:

vote: Andres

atheotes

10-02-2009, 21:22

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 21:23

I don't quite get all the votes for andres either...wonder what the vote count is.

LG, if you were town you would have no way of knowing that woad was innocent, yet you claim that :book:

And the last time I made one of those "if you turn out to be innocent" promises I was mafia...CR will remember ~D

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 21:24

Seeing as how this quote is a point of discussion above:

Andres has something odd about pm'ing louis saying something that contradicts kukri sending him a pm at the same time or something...Andres PM'ed me and Kukri looking for a job. I replied with possibilities for protection jobs. Then Andres and Sasaki got in contact about vigging Grizzly. Then Kukri's reply came back to Andres. Andres by then was already engaged in killing Grizzly. It is mostly cleared up, I think.

At any rate, we know who the vig group members are. And Andres gave a defense of his actions. We may agree or disagree with it, with killing Grizzly, I for one do not intent to kill five people over it.

scotchedpommes

10-02-2009, 21:29

I find it strange that Andres is the choice of the lynch for participating in a vigilante kill, when Sasaki not only participated, but organized it and encouraged it as well. Why are all of you Andres bandwagoners not voting for Sasaki?
He committed to actions on behalf of the ship and then blatantly failed to see them through, publicly lying to all an' sundry about the affair in the aftermath, putting personal [or other] gain first. As for Sasaki, you're already aware of my views, can't speak for others.

slashandburn

10-02-2009, 21:35

Vote:Sasaki Kojiro Remeber rule #1.

Unvote:Vote:Woad and fangs

Subotan

10-02-2009, 21:37

Besides, as I recall, we're supposed to be voting for this:

As the sun rose and the dawn bell tolled, the Captain's officers took a count and found they were one short. Once it was determined to be LittleGrizzly, Captain Crazed Rabbit sighed, and gravely looked out across the gathered sailors.

"All right, lads," he said, "it be clear that there still be scum on this ship. Courageous scum nonetheless, for they dare t'be doin' their dirty work in such an enclosed environment, but scum nonetheless. And it be in all of our best interests t'be gettin' rid of this scum. Therefore, we be doin' this democratically, mates."

He took a breath as Louis and Sigurd looked on. A quick nod to Louis sent him back inside the cabin's quarters, emerging a second later with a pot.

"Ye be votin' fer the lad who you think murdered poor LittleGrizzly," he continued. "And at the end of the votin', whoever be havin' the most will face my wrath. And that be the plank!"

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 21:38

LG seems to be claiming that he was just messing around with the whole thing. I assume he's going to say that claiming to have partners was part of this messing around. No one else has shown up to vouch for him--even privately to CR who was not approving of the vigilante kills. So how come woad approached me privately to vouch for LG? How come LG tries to protect woad, and acts like he somehow knows he's innocent?

Even if you think Andres is suspicious, you have to admit that there is a definite link between LG and woad. And the benefits to knocking out 2 linked suspects are significant--you can essentially cripple a family before they get the chance to recruit, and force them to choose between investigation and killing.

If woad is lynched, there isn't anyone vig worthy so andres, myself, and the others will be in a protection group.

TinCow

10-02-2009, 21:48

woad&fangs: 12 (Sasaki, Yaropolk, ACIN, Sigurd, Andres, DiY, ATPG, Captain Blackadder, TinCow, W_E, Louis VI, slashandburn)
Andres: 12 (DisgruntledGoat, KukriKhan, 'khaan, woad&fangs, ricera10, SSN, Tratorix, Subotan, Beskar, atheotes, taka, Double A)

Jolt: 2 (pevergreen, YLC)
A1 Unit: 1 (Lord Winter)
Tratorix: 1 (Chaotix)
Psychonaut: 1 (CountArach)
Sasaki: 1 (miotas)
pevergreen: 1 (Jolt)
White_eyes: 1 (shlin28)

Abstain: 4 (Reenk, A1 Unit, Cultured Drizzt fan, Psychonaut)[/QUOTE]
Present: 1 (gibson) (Does this even count?)

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-02-2009, 21:49

Arrrggghhhh Pirate Drizzt here with a special announcement. Due to the new rules on Gold transactions I would like to say,

I will be paying 2 gold to get a mans night action each. That is, to set men up in a protection group.
I be accepting the first 5 applicants, and don't ye buggers be trying to up the price!

of course, ye can always choose to help out without the gold, I promise ye a good haul due to the protections it is worth it indeed. Before this point I have contacted many people about night actions, and if ye have a good heart I know ye won't be stiffing me and demanding pay as well.

Lads, any man without a night action has no reason not to do one! step on up and help a salty dog out! :whip: and as I said, dont be stiffing me on the price.

Arrggghhhh PM me and talk with me more in depth if you wish.

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 21:51

If woad is lynched, there isn't anyone vig worthy so andres, myself, and the others will be in a protection group.The others are: AVSM, pevergreen, Jolt.

We are keeping a close watch.

Andres was an outsider to the group. I note that the others layed low while Andres has been taking all the flack in the thread.

I do not want all of you lynched for a single vig kill. I will support the lynching of all of this group if there are further signs of going for your own fortune against the interests of the other crew. :smash:

Edit: why is Pevergreen voting Jolt, and is Jolt voting Pevergreen? In jest? To remain hidden from vote pattern analysis?

They go killing last night, and then vote each other?

Instead of helping Andres?

Most peculiar.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 22:01

The others are: AVSM, pevergreen, Jolt.

We are keeping a close watch.

Andres was an outsider to the group. I note that the others layed low while Andres has been taking all the flack in the thread.

I do not want all of you lynched for a single vig kill. I will support the lynching of all of this group if there are further signs of going for your own fortune against the interests of the other crew. :smash:

Edit: why is Pevergreen voting Jolt, and is Jolt voting Pevergreen? In jest? To remain hidden from vote pattern analysis?

They go killing last night, and then vote each other?

Instead of helping Andres?

Most peculiar.

Or maybe we aren't a tight knit rogue group :laugh4:

Vigging suspicious people is in the interest of the town. It is really not any different than lynching suspicious people. It's very common in mafia games for 5 votes to be the deciding factor in a lynch. And we actually got only 8 gold compared to someone in a 3 person protection group who would get 10.

All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good pirates do nothing :yes:

Yaropolk

10-02-2009, 22:15

Arrg, ye sayin ye don't like the taste of grog? Why, me mother fed it to me by the spoonful as a lad.

***************

If the vote is tied within 15 minutes of the deadline, I have 5 gold for whoever breaks it so that woad gets lynched.

Do you have 5 gold for those staying with the w&f vote? Flint's running out of grog!

Yaropolk

10-02-2009, 22:17

Ahoy there, me hearties!

I be here to let ye know of a special chance to get your own pirate avatar!

For the small price of 7 gold, ye can get your own special, personalized image depictin' yerself as a pirate. For examples o' me previous works, be lookin' here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=117686)

A full color image it be, as well, for you to hold on to as long as ye wish! This be a first come, first serve offer.

CR

Ahoy from me, ye scallywags!

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For the small price of 10 gold, ye can get your own special image!

The be the most scandalous, smuttiest pictures ye 'av ever seen! I dread to show them to even you hardened (pun) pirates!

'Ere's one to whet yer appetite:
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Put yer skills together and draw a paintin' of me with a bar wench! And don't forget the hat! Worth every doubloon!

Iskander 3.1

10-02-2009, 22:24

Wholly crap, I have a lot to sift through. I'll be back to vote later (at work right now). But just in case, so the General doesn't punish me, Vote: abstain.

Sigurd

10-02-2009, 22:35

Me tinks LG is not an Able seaman. He allures to havin' a different role as does w&f.
Out of the candidates and considerin' there bein' 6 roles that we need to drop into Davy Jones' locker, me tinks we are doin' right by votin' woad&fangs.

If ye have information that be in the interest of keepin' any of those candidates alive - Me is all ears. Me be standin' on the quarter deck if ye have sometin' to say. (PM)

Louis VI the Fat

10-02-2009, 22:42

Or maybe we aren't a tight knit rogue group :laugh4:So it would appear indeed. Maybe this rogue townie group then, is you. :tongue:

Tratorix

10-02-2009, 22:45

Our first mate says one thing then our quartermaster says another. A power struggle on board already? Perhaps our Cap`n should have been more careful when appointing his advisers. :laugh4:

Sigurd

10-02-2009, 22:52

Our first mate says one thing then our quartermaster says another. A power struggle on board already? Perhaps our Cap`n should have been more careful when appointing his advisers. :laugh4:
Shiver me timbers!!! Another mutinous heart. If ye look carefully me an the first mate do vote on the same dog.
If ye have notin' to do there is always the tops needin' a wash - seein' all ye bilge drinkin' hands can't hold it in when havin' the tops watch.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-02-2009, 22:55

So it would appear indeed. Maybe this rogue townie group then, is you. :tongue:

le groupe est moi?

me tinks we are doin' right by votin' woad&fangs.

Pay attention to your officer, those of you who are voting andres for "mutinous thoughts"...remember the captain my be in charge, but the quartermaster is the one who will hit you with the ropes end and cut off your grog ration.

Crazed Rabbit

10-02-2009, 22:59

Yarr, ye scurvy seadog! I be happy with me fine choices. A captain has need for men who think. And what us be two men if they be thinkin the same thing?

CR

Jolt

10-02-2009, 23:00

The others are: AVSM, pevergreen, Jolt.

We are keeping a close watch.

Andres was an outsider to the group. I note that the others layed low while Andres has been taking all the flack in the thread.

I do not want all of you lynched for a single vig kill. I will support the lynching of all of this group if there are further signs of going for your own fortune against the interests of the other crew. :smash:

Edit: why is Pevergreen voting Jolt, and is Jolt voting Pevergreen? In jest? To remain hidden from vote pattern analysis?

They go killing last night, and then vote each other?

Instead of helping Andres?

Most peculiar.

I vote for whoever votes for me without reason, even if I did a vig kill with that person the previous night. The fact was that he and YLC voted for me with no reason, and that always makes me suspicious.

A Very Super Market

10-02-2009, 23:29

I performed a vig kill last night because I believed it would help. Would be glad to do whatever menial tasks now that there is no suspect on my mind.

Joooray

10-02-2009, 23:40

a completely inoffensive name

10-02-2009, 23:48

Wait, so there's a tie? So who are we really bandwagoning on guys? Geeze, can't a guy play the game as a mindless pawn anymore?

Sasaki Kojiro

10-03-2009, 00:01

Let me just say to everybody that killed LG last night and who is voting for w&f. You are making a big mistake. :stare:

So, I am pretty sure about w&f allegiance, but I'm not to sure about Andres. But since I don't want to make the same mistake that the people made who bandwaggoned on w&f, I will Vote: Sasaki, for just really hurting the town like that early on!! (Time will tell!!) :stare:

:furious3:

"really hurt the town" and "big mistake" imply that you somehow knew he was a pro town role. But before even posting the pm's in the thread, I said to him "you act the way you did as mafia in capo and as a consul in rubicon, but I'll have to post the pm's and form a vig group unless you can prove yourself". He claimed basic townie, now in a game where you can get very easy protection from townie groups there is no reason to not claim a role if you have one. Also note, if he actually had a 4 person group, he could have had the three of them protect him at night.

Something about this makes me wonder about the secret roles and neutral parties...

Joooray

10-03-2009, 00:19

"really hurt the town" and "big mistake" imply that you somehow knew he was a pro town role. But before even posting the pm's in the thread, I said to him "you act the way you did as mafia in capo and as a consul in rubicon, but I'll have to post the pm's and form a vig group unless you can prove yourself". He claimed basic townie, now in a game where you can get very easy protection from townie groups there is no reason to not claim a role if you have one. Also note, if he actually had a 4 person group, he could have had the three of them protect him at night.

Something about this makes me wonder about the secret roles and neutral parties...
I'm not saying pro-town, I'm not saying special, I'm just saying not anti-town.
Your effort might have been well intended, but it will prove to be a mistake. Granted it might not kill the town, but it took away important time we could have used otherwise. :stare: