Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

I don't see why it would be suspicious for someone to abandon a protection group that's privy to information that needs to be edited out. Mafia would generally stick with that group...

Your right....If I was Mafia, I would have stayed with the group and not been :daisy:ing myself over wither ATPG is mafia or not..If I was SK, I also would have to avoid suspicion....and I also wouldn't have cared...I just would have kill him...:shrug:

Why didn't you PM me first ATPG??:stare: You could have made a case depending on my response rather then trying to force me to come out with sensitive information(Or rather private stuff if you will but the only way to prove I am innocent) like that:juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your right....If I was Mafia, I would have stayed with the group and not been :daisy:ing myself over wither ATPG is mafia or not..If I was SK, I also would have to avoid suspicion....and I also wouldn't have cared...I just would have kill him...:shrug:

Why didn't you PM me first ATPG??:stare: You could have made a case depending on my response rather then trying to force me to come out with sensitive information(Or rather private stuff if you will but the only way to prove I am innocent) like that:juggle2:

Yes, yes, revealing who we were protecting and that I knew very sensitive information was necessary to defend yourself, and all my fault.

[White_eyes:D]

No I'm not too sure what to do with this situation at this point. I'm just trying to figure things out. To me it looks like two townies that are suspicious of each other. I wanted to know who ATPG would suggest for his co-lynchee.

:daisy: are you acting scummy for talking like that....If you think they are two townies.....why lynch any of them?:inquisitive: Unvote:CDF Vote:DisgruntledGoat

[Andres]

Good point. better lynch me to make sure.

Too early.

I think Joooray and Pevergreen are better candidates.

And we need to hear more from Tratorix who accused CDF.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perhaps I am not making myself clear.

I'll reveal two watchstanders, a roleblocker, and a doctor if you don't lynch me this round. Also who has been organizing and who they've been protecting. You want to risk me being recruited tonight, be my guest.

[pevergreen]

I will seriously leave this game if the Pevergreen thing keeps going.


Yes, if you must know, it really does :daisy: me off a lot. No, I don't know why.

TinCow, sending a PM to GH to ask why, CC'ing you.

[TinCow]

I'll reveal two watchstanders, a roleblocker, and a doctor if you don't lynch me this round. Also who has been organizing and who they've been protecting. You want to risk me being recruited tonight, be my guest.

Who gave you this information, and why? It seems odd to me that you always end up at the center of every town group.

[DisgruntledGoat]

:daisy: are you acting scummy for talking like that....If you think they are two townies.....why lynch any of them?:inquisitive: Unvote:CDF Vote:DisgruntledGoat

You are twisting my words. ATPG has suggested HIMSELF to be lynched. I said I want to know who he wants to go with him. I.E. to see if there were any motives that might surface, not that ATPG would do anything that silly and reveal himself through that but I thought it worth the try. Obviously he was smart enough to suggest Sasaki for his co-lynchee and basically revealed nothing. No where did I say I would go along with the double lynch, in fact in that post you quoted I clearly show my opposition for a double lynch and in fact lynching ATPG at all. This sort of thing doesn't seem above board at all. ATPG schemes, it's what he does best and I'm trying to understand this scheme he's got going now.

[Yaropolk]

Ok this is not normal. Either ATPG is bluffing and is mafia, in which case we should lynch him, or he is truly a conerned townie, and I will trust his instinct (and we should lynch him).

unvote: Andres vote: ATPG

I would suggest the doubly lynch to be put on CDF to pressure him into revealing why Tratorix is accusing him. Tratorix is dead so I doubt he can tell us much.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Who gave you this information, and why? It seems odd to me that you always end up at the center of every town group.

I don't see why multiple power roles would be revealed to someone recruitable...especially an obvious recruiting target.

[pevergreen]

I buggered up.

My apologies TinCow. :shame:

I retract my earlier notice.

edit: above post (sasaki)

People automatically trust ATPG. A lot of the newer players.

[White_eyes:D]

Ok...but I am keeping my eye on you:inquisitive:

But everyone knows Pizzaguy is at the center of every townie group....why he thinks this time would be any different is beyond me...(It might have something to do with that PM I posted earlier..)

But why didn't you send me a PM of your suspicions ATPG? you knew I knew ALOT about you....(Or at least some statements...) instead you just went off and accused me in-thread without even hearing me out....and now everyone knows, whatever it is that's bothering you:shame:

I don't know if we well be hearing from Tratviox, on why CDF is scummy....It was a protect group, right? where is the third guy?:inquisitive:

[TinCow]

I don't see why multiple power roles would be revealed to someone recruitable...especially an obvious recruiting target.

The only way this could be known is if ATPG has been investigated. Since he's already putting himself out in the limelight, I think these results should be posted or conveyed to us in some manner. ATPG's statements are pretty blatantly asking for recruitment. Since he's not in a position that prevents him from being recruited, this is of concern to me. If he's been investigated and found to be non-scum and non-recruitable, great... but we need to know that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who gave you this information, and why? It seems odd to me that you always end up at the center of every town group.

two blabbed to me immediately. One did last night. The other was spread by the person's own protection group to me. I must have a really trustworthy face.

That's a really, really bad move if you didn't make me an officer. Just plain not thinking ahead. It's not secure in the slightest. I noted my concerns about this to the Captain, who if anyone was going to blindly trust, should have been that guy. Or deeply investigate one of the officers and trust that person. Don't blab to Askthepizzaguy. I can't just forget that information if I get recruited.

You know I just wanted to roleplay this time too.:shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only way this could be known is if ATPG has been investigated. Since he's already putting himself out in the limelight, I think these results should be posted or conveyed to us in some manner. ATPG's statements are pretty blatantly asking for recruitment. Since he's not in a position that prevents him from being recruited, this is of concern to me. If he's been investigated and found to be non-scum and non-recruitable, great... but we need to know that.

I have been already fully investigated as recruitable and non-scum.

Predictable.

[TinCow]

I have been already fully investigated as recruitable and non-scum.

Predictable.

You do realize you're making a very strong argument for your own lynching. Why are you doing this?

[White_eyes:D]

Isn't there an obvious write-up when someone gets recruited??:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You do realize you're making a very strong argument for your own lynching. Why are you doing this?

So the town doesn't LOSE!

look, I want to win the game, right? I'm a townie. I win if the town wins. I want the town to win.

White Eyes blabs that I know sensitive information, enough such that I'm thinking of abandoning ship so you don't have to waste a lynch on me, since I can't become an officer (all slots are filled)

Now, I have to die. Or else the mafia recruits me. And then what?

I want to win the game, right? I blab all my info and pray they can win. You have to kill me.

[Andres]

You do realize you're making a very strong argument for your own lynching. Why are you doing this?

How about who ever pulls the strings behind the scenes stops sending information on recruitable townies? And those with pro-town roles, please do not reveal yourselves to recruitable townies!

I understand that ATPG is recruitable and knows the names of people with a pro-town role.

Not much of a choice left :shrug:


Unvote ; Vote : ATPG

Unvote : Mutiny

[Askthepizzaguy]

At least don't waste the round though. Double lynch me with another suspect.

I'll put the finishing vote on myself to make sure it's a double.

[TinCow]

So the town doesn't LOSE!

look, I want to win the game, right? I'm a townie. I win if the town wins. I want the town to win.

White Eyes blabs that I know sensitive information, enough such that I'm thinking of abandoning ship so you don't have to waste a lynch on me, since I can't become an officer (all slots are filled)

Now, I have to die. Or else the mafia recruits me. And then what?

I want to win the game, right? I blab all my info and pray they can win.

You never once considered winning by aiding the mafia if you were recruited? Presumably you would greatly aid any mafia family that recruited you, even if you died shortly after that. That would put that mafia family (and thus you as well) in a good position to win the game.

You're honestly saying that you've never considered any method of winning other than being pure pro-town, even after learning that you were recruitable? :inquisitive:

[White_eyes:D]

White Eyes blabs that I know sensitive information, enough such that I'm thinking of abandoning ship so you don't have to waste a lynch on me, since I can't become an officer (all slots are filled).
It was your fault as well:stare:

Why is it totally my fault?? I had my back to the corner, you know that:furious3:

If I hadn't said anything I would have been lynched, because I choose a bad night to leave your groups...:wall:

[naut]

Well that has blown the wind out of my sails. Well, not really I just always wanted to say that. ATPG why would you have to join the mafia? Wouldn't a recruit-able thingy be optional? Or are you being shanghaied by top hat wielding Englishmen?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You never once considered winning by aiding the mafia if you were recruited? Presumably you would greatly aid any mafia family that recruited you, even if you died shortly after that. That would put that mafia family (and thus you as well) in a good position to win the game. You're honestly saying that you've never considered any method of winning other than being pure pro-town, even after learning that you were recruitable? :inquisitive:

Sorry, that would require me to do a number of things I don't want to do in this game, such as hard work and backstabbing. I just wanted to roleplay Smilin' Sam and sing shanties.

That's all. I didn't ask for people to reveal their power roles to me. And if I ever want to organize a pro-town group again, I'm not going to betray all the people who confided in me. What was that Sasaki said in capo.... forget the exact quote but basically the idea is your trustworthiness affects how you can play the game. If you want to be at the center of pro-town groups or be recruited by mafia, etc, you can't be backstabbing your own teammates every game.

And maybe, just maybe, it isn't in my personality to be a townie and play for the mafia, trying to cut down the town's chances while I am on their team. I leave that up to other, more notorious players.

And yes, I did consider my options for helping a mafia family win. But when I got all those power roles handed to me on a silver platter, I realized that the town stood a better chance of winning. And I also knew I'd be investigated and proven loyal, and perhaps, just perhaps, made an officer and really kicked some mafia tail. That's always fun for me, regardless of role.

I was mafia recently at CFC and my team went down in flames right away. But before I died, I figured out who one of the rival mafia were and got the town to kill him off. That's what I do... because I like killing mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well that has blown the wind out of my sails. Well, not really I just always wanted to say that. ATPG why would you have to join the mafia? Wouldn't a recruit-able thingy be optional? Or are you being shanghaied by top hat wielding Englishmen?

I believe it is mandatory in this game. You get recruited, you join. No options.

[Yaropolk]

One other option would be to make ATPG an officer assuming that one of the other officers is either uncorruptable or doesnt know the power roles yet. CR, can you please confirm that ATPG has been investigated and confirmed innocent for now.

[TinCow]

Sorry, that would require me to do a number of things I don't want to do in this game, such as hard work and backstabbing. I just wanted to roleplay Smilin' Sam and sing shanties.

Well, I won't pretend that I understand this line of thought, but then again I'd betray my own mother to win a mafia game. You don't seem to be leaving us much of a choice though. Congratulations, you've lynched yourself.

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

[naut]

I believe it is mandatory in this game. You get recruited, you join. No options.
Well that's the tits on the olde wooden mermaid for sure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I won't pretend that I understand this line of thought, but then again I'd betray my own mother to win a mafia game.

Maybe because I spent the last two months at my computer 8 hours a day or more. :laugh4:

I really just wanted to relax. I can do that sometimes, right? I'm allowed to chill out, yes?

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: ATPG

He must go, I am sorry pizzaguy :/

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: Askthepizzaguy

Good, that's plenty methinks. Now let's discuss other suspects.

[White_eyes:D]

I am a possible SK....I think that's good enough:laugh4:

I want to hear more on the CDF thing though....:juggle2:

[A1_Unit]

vote:Abstain Arghh..... there be too many murders going on - the kill groups need to calm down argghh!

[Crazed Rabbit]

ATPG is a townie.

CR

[DisgruntledGoat]

Is there anyway to prevent a player from being recruited other than role blocking the recruiters? If there is then I think it would make sense to do that instead of losing a townie vote.

[Splitpersonality]

ATPG is a townie.

CR

He is, but he is quite a high risk townie. Methinks the villains of this game seek to prevent what happened in capo by recruiting ATPG early on...

[Yaropolk]

Is there anyway to prevent a player from being recruited other than role blocking the recruiters? If there is then I think it would make sense to do that instead of losing a townie vote.

Officers are unrecruitable.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Then what are we wasting time voting ATPG off the ship for! Make him first mate already.

[Iskander 3.1]

Was I vig killed because they didn't like my song? :inquisitive:

[White_eyes:D]

Was I vig killed because they didn't like my song? :inquisitive:
I am getting the feeling, one of the Mafia groups is killing in a pack to make it seem like a Vig or Protect group...:inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not a single one of these posts is incriminating:


Pizza, if White_Eyes was with you on N2 we already have 2 attacks of 2 on night 2 which means he couldn't have participated. So He couldn't have been part of that. That would leave him being another role.... possibly a lone killer. Interestingly enough, a lone killer shows up on N3 the very night White_Eyes doesn't join your group and doesn't abandon ship.

Vote: White_Eyes:D


Thats a good point. Although, the circumstances of White_Eyes not wanting to be apart of your group N3 seems AWFULLY
suspicious.


Why not just abandon ship like you said you would do? Hmmm, could it be because you want to ensure your gold gets left to someone?


So pizza guy who would you suggest be the double lynch victim along with you?


No I'm not too sure what to do with this situation at this point. I'm just trying to figure things out. To me it looks like two townies that are suspicious of each other. I wanted to know who ATPG would suggest for his co-lynchee.


o_O that last statement seems awfully atypical for ATPG.


You are twisting my words. ATPG has suggested HIMSELF to be lynched. I said I want to know who he wants to go with him. I.E. to see if there were any motives that might surface, not that ATPG would do anything that silly and reveal himself through that but I thought it worth the try. Obviously he was smart enough to suggest Sasaki for his co-lynchee and basically revealed nothing. No where did I say I would go along with the double lynch, in fact in that post you quoted I clearly show my opposition for a double lynch and in fact lynching ATPG at all. This sort of thing doesn't seem above board at all. ATPG schemes, it's what he does best and I'm trying to understand this scheme he's got going now.


Is there anyway to prevent a player from being recruited other than role blocking the recruiters? If there is then I think it would make sense to do that instead of losing a townie vote.


Then what are we wasting time voting ATPG off the ship for! Make him first mate already.

But taken TOGETHER...

I didn't quote the ones from page 32. But if you read over DG's posts this day it looks like he considers a variety of suspects (andres, white eyes, pizza) but abandons them when it appears they won't be lynched. I also don't by that his first post about the double lynch was intended to get information from pizza, it seems more like a mafioso who was happy enough with a double lynch to not stop and consider whether it was a good idea. Now he seems to be making a show of "we can't lynch a townie! Make him first mate!" even though louis has presumable been investigated as well...

I don't find this to be typical of DG.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Andres...Andres, I don't get any of this.

Does your role oblige you to kill officers? Must you call for mutiny?

I refused to vote you in round one. And in round two. I tried to establish your innocence today. Yet again. I've offered you protection roles on two nights.


Sasaki had you kill an innocent. Sasaki, what's more, got four lads together and tried to kill you last night.

And now, again, you call for mutiny and want to have Sasaki as captain?
I don't get it. I just don't get it.

[Subotan]

I am way too confused to vote for anyone at the minute.

Vote:Abstain

[DisgruntledGoat]

Then by all means Sasaki, lynch me. I'm bouncing all over the place because there isn't really anything to go on at all. Things are very fluid right now and new information is coming forward with each post. The only way you get answers is by asking questions. I do wonder what you would consider typical of me. I don't think I have played enough games here to establish my usual play. In fact, my usual play is quite different from anything I've done on the ORG. Ask Pizza. I'm usually FAR FAR FAR more aggressive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DisgruntledGoat is terrifying when he's in full-on townie mode.

[shlin28]

Blah, this is too big and complicated for a sober pirate's brain...

*downs some rum*

Now, we have several suspects:

DG - "suspicious" behavior in posts according to Sasaki - I don't see it myself...
ATPG - He is gonna get lynched, and 3 votes should be enough?
WE:D - I really don't see why he is getting accused, he backed out of a group, so what? I do it all the time :yes:
Andres - I do not get the case against him. X number of people killed on Night Y, therefore he must be guilty?

Am I correct in thinking that those 4 are the only suspects?

For now, Vote: Abstain

[DisgruntledGoat]

DisgruntledGoat is terrifying when he's in full-on townie mode.
:devilish:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm going to install ATPG as Quartermaster. No offense Seamus, but with that both officers will be cleared as townies.

So kindly do not lynch him today.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Then by all means Sasaki, lynch me. I'm bouncing all over the place because there isn't really anything to go on at all. Things are very fluid right now and new information is coming forward with each post. The only way you get answers is by asking questions. I do wonder what you would consider typical of me. I don't think I have played enough games here to establish my usual play. In fact, my usual play is quite different from anything I've done on the ORG. Ask Pizza. I'm usually FAR FAR FAR more aggressive.


DisgruntledGoat is terrifying when he's in full-on townie mode.

I've never seen you go full on townie mode. Usually when I'm in townie mode I bounce around looking for the most suspicious person :juggle2:

unvote:DG, vote:shlin

Try and find a suspect...

[DisgruntledGoat]

unvote: White_Eyes:D

Shlin, you forgot CDF. But he is a suspect only because Tratorix said to lynch him.

[Yaropolk]

Blah, this is too big and complicated for a sober pirate's brain...

*downs some rum*

Now, we have several suspects:

DG - "suspicious" behavior in posts according to Sasaki - I don't see it myself...
ATPG - He is gonna get lynched, and 3 votes should be enough?
WE:D - I really don't see why he is getting accused, he backed out of a group, so what? I do it all the time :yes:
Andres - I do not get the case against him. X number of people killed on Night Y, therefore he must be guilty?

Am I correct in thinking that those 4 are the only suspects?

For now, Vote: Abstain

CDF was fingered by Tratorix from beyond the grave.

Unvote ATPG Vote CDF

[Askthepizzaguy]

YARRR!!! Now that's more like it. It be a pleasure t' be servin' you Captain Rabbit. And to this fine crew; if'n ye all do yer duties, we will all share many a pint of the finest brew. Look sharp!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CDF was fingered by Tratorix from beyond the grave.

Unvote ATPG Vote CDF

How likely do you think it is that CDF is guilty? What do you imagine Tratorix had on him?

[TinCow]

I'm going to install ATPG as Quartermaster. No offense Seamus, but with that both officers will be cleared as townies.

So kindly do not lynch him today.

CR

Very well. I take it this is confirmation that Louis has been investigated fully?

Unvote; Vote: CDF

Returning my vote to where it was before ATPG tried to get himself killed.

[Andres]

Andres...Andres, I don't get any of this.

Does your role oblige you to kill officers? Must you call for mutiny?

I refused to vote you in round one. And in round two. I tried to establish your innocence today. Yet again. I've offered you protection roles on two nights.


Sasaki had you kill an innocent. Sasaki, what's more, got four lads together and tried to kill you last night.

And now, again, you call for mutiny and want to have Sasaki as captain?
I don't get it. I just don't get it.

You rely too much on logic.

:logic:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Uh, just a clarification, "the second man" in Tratorix's kill refers to his attacker. "The first man" in this case is Tratorix himself. :yes:

[TinCow]

It has been pointed out to me that I cannot add properly. pevergreen did properly pay me for my vote, I simply failed to notice the addition. I retract my previous statements about pevergreen; he is indeed a trustworthy briber. You can sell your vote to him without worry of being ripped off.

:bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, there were kills by a solo killer, a vig group, a two person group, and an attempt by another vig group. Which leads us back to Andres not being confirmed innocent. Pizza, do you intend to block him until sigurd's role is revealed?

[Andres]

So, there were kills by a solo killer, a vig group, a two person group, and an attempt by another vig group. Which leads us back to Andres not being confirmed innocent. Pizza, do you intend to block him until sigurd's role is revealed?

How about the other 39 not confirmed innocents? Shouldn't they be blocked too? Or are you happy to keep the focus on an innocent townie?

I told you why you know I'm not guilty in my pm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, do you intend to block him until sigurd's role is revealed?

I intend not to telegraph my movements to the traitors among us. I will ponder my moves and consult with the captain. Yarrr.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How about the other 39 not confirmed innocents? Shouldn't they be blocked too? Or are you happy to keep the focus on an innocent townie?

I told you why you know I'm not guilty in my pm.

I don't think you're guilty now. Given an unbiased reading it does seem like you're just trying to have fun in this game, similar to how pizza looks innocent because he genuinely wants to relax. If sigurd turns up guilty I'll have to reconsider, but that's a question of risk vs reward not of how suspicious you look. CR didn't make a strong case but you found it frustrating, that's where the suspicion came from.

[Andres]

I don't think you're guilty now. Given an unbiased reading it does seem like you're just trying to have fun in this game, similar to how pizza looks innocent because he genuinely wants to relax. If sigurd turns up guilty I'll have to reconsider, but that's a question of risk vs reward not of how suspicious you look. CR didn't make a strong case but you found it frustrating, that's where the suspicion came from.

Of course Sigurd will turn out guilty. CR told that there were detective results telling as much, after I said his initial case was rubbish (which it was).

My frustration was that I feared this game would turn into a "follow orders without asking questions" game; as in town organising itself, putting data in an excel sheet and lynching the factors that seem off.

[taka]

vote: abstain

just incase i don't get time to come back and read up the thread later

[Andres]

I'm going to install ATPG as Quartermaster. No offense Seamus, but with that both officers will be cleared as townies.

So kindly do not lynch him today.

CR

When are you going to install him as Quartermaster? I assume you already sent the pm and ATPG will be Quatermaster at the end of this day phase?

[Askthepizzaguy]

When are you going to install him as Quartermaster? I assume you already sent the pm and ATPG will be Quatermaster at the end of this day phase?

Rabbit may not be online at the moment so I'll field that. It's already a done deal, I have the PM and everything. I'll be QM as soon as the day phase is over, which means zero chance of me being converted.

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:DG Vote: CDF And ATPG comes out more powerful then ever because of this....ever get the feeling this was all planned?:inquisitive:

I still need to think on, why Tratovix thinks CDF is scum....but with no person showing up to claim he was the third member of the group....he warrants some pressure..(I am afraid it well be a runaway bandwagon.....but I have nothing other then DG acting weird, which is not weird apparently:shrug:)

[Subotan]

I bet most of the scum are staying toally silent.

Also, @CR, where's my pirate sketch?

[White_eyes:D]

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

He seems to have a penchant for revealing himself to be scum when under overwhelming pressure.. I will give 10 gold to whoever can guess what game it's from...:2cents:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will give 10 gold to whoever can guess what game it's from...:2cents:

I wanna say Fillet Royale II...

[White_eyes:D]

That was fast....:dizzy2: ok, I will send a PM to GH....I did say after all:shrug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4:

I remember it because it was one of the few things I was there for that game...think I got killed night one and then replaced back in the round he cracked.

[White_eyes:D]

I felt bad for CDF but it was so funny....:laugh4:

He was saying he was not part of that family...but part of this one....which made almost no difference:laugh4:(because that still made him mafia)

We still lost though....hoping he will let something slip....errrr..I mean "I hope he is Mafia or I well feel REALLY bad:embarassed:"

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Avast there Sasaki!

Answer me this -- and remember I'm serving as the quartermaster for a mite longer you dog -- are you after thinkin' DG is posting far too much compared to other recent efforts he's made?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: slashandburn

For 5 gold, I'll switch my vote off'n you...:yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Avast there Sasaki!

Answer me this -- and remember I'm serving as the quartermaster for a mite longer you dog -- are you after thinkin' DG is posting far too much compared to other recent efforts he's made?

I was, but pizza says he goes into that mode sometimes on another site.

[slashandburn]

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh I refuse to be extorted.

[Tratorix]

Any suspicions I have against CDF can really not be properly explained without revealing material I am not permitted to reveal. Of course, I can always point out how he only shows up to vote abstain once per round and claims to be too busy. You know, the typical behaviour of someone trying to avoid attention.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Honestly it is probably best if you just lynch me now. :juggle2: Close up some loose ends and probably help the town overall. :yes: Not to be a deafest and all, but my use has pretty much dried up with Tratorix's death. Would be best for someone else to take over my job. :sweatdrop:


Plus I really do not have enough time to do as many posts as some people would like me to make. :sweatdrop:

Vote: CDF :shrug: I guess it is a bit defeatist, but it is still probably for the best. Tratorix and Atheotes I am sorry if you think I led to your death, But I am innocent for now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Scottishranger

So far, I haven't found anyone who can tell me where you've been. And you seem deadly quiet... making subtle comments here and there, but not voting.

[shlin28]

So Tratorix does know something specific regarding his accusation against CDF, I thought it was just a random revenge thing :sweatdrop:


my use has pretty much dried up with Tratorix's death.

This, and the other comments you made, make you sound terribly suspicious... Of course, it also appealed to the part of the mind that likes conspiracy theories - perhaps Tratorix is pro-town role and you "failed" to protect him? :inquisitive:

Either way...

Vote: Abstain, Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CDF has more posts than a lot of people. CDF, why do you think they think you led to their deaths?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Its only natural. We have been working together all game and they both end up killed in 2 night phases, in a row.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Its only natural. We have been working together all game and they both end up killed in 2 night phases, in a row.

Don't give in so easy, remember org mini mafia :yes:

If you were just three townies working together, then there is no case against you. Atheotes was killed by two men, and tratorix was killed by a solo killer. In addition, there is no real motivation for a mafioso to murder their group.

Maybe tratorix's case is more than that, but without knowing what it is I'm not inclined to trust it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd prefer simply blocking CDF and moving on to other suspects. There wasn't a whole heck of a lot of pressure on him and he seems to be ready to die. Let's get some people talking with pressure votes or something.

[Yaropolk]

Fine unvote: CDF vote: Scottishranger. I'm adding ATPG's vote to put pressure on the guy. Please make sure CDF is blocked as right now he is still my #1 suspicion. Those who have voted for ATPG and not unvoted yet, please do so.

[Beskar]

Oh, I fully support ATPG being a Quartermaster, as he has decided to go with a lot of record keeping, and people seem to just throwing him random information, and in hands of the mafia, he would be very vunerable, thus, I suggest him being QM which makes him immune, incase he is suspectible in some way.

Edit: How many pages is this beast? I just returned, I can't even find out if Reenk Roink responded to me yet, what is all this ATPG drama.

[Tratorix]

Its only natural. We have been working together all game and they both end up killed in 2 night phases, in a row.

Then perhaps you could offer up a theory as to who is responsible? I really don't believe this was just a coincidence.

[Beskar]

Why do you keep getting the name wrong?

Personal defect with myself, I am really really bad with names and it just one of those names.. Marvin, Marques, Maran, I think I called it everything.


Edit: Identity of an Investigator
Louis VI the Fat

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

If you want I could post everyone who knew the protection group was you me and atheotes. :shrug:

but that might not be the best Idea. Suffice to say I doubt any of them are guilty.



Sometimes when bad luck rains it pours. Like I said if lynching me will prove my innocence then go ahead, I am fine with it.

[TinCow]

Then perhaps you could offer up a theory as to who is responsible? I really don't believe this was just a coincidence.

Is your only reason for suspecting CDF because of these two consecutive deaths from your group?

[Louis VI the Fat]

My frustration was that I feared this game would turn into a "follow orders without asking questions" game; as in town organising itself, putting data in an excel sheet and lynching the factors that seem off.Excel? What on earth are you on about? Don't be silly. We be pirates. We get drunk and then shout names in this thread.

Also, being a piraty pirate does not mean running your own ship into the ground. It means sailing your loot home, that you may get to enjoy some booty on a rum and wench infested tropical paradise.

You don't need to act erratic as a pirate. Eccentricity is for limeys. We 'honest' pirate crew know just how to have ourselves a jolly good time. Here you go:



Iskander is the latest victim of a private buccaneering group. This group is on a killing spree, possibly because they are in it for booty and some pirating fun.

So here's my offer:

I promise ten gold for every name of this group. That's a whopping thirty for all three of your partners's names. Plus I promise full secrecy and immunity to the person who PM's me with these names. (Yes, pirate's code of honour, to which I am bound)
Of the three names, I shall randomly kill one. The other two walk, so neither they nor anybody else will ever know who took up the offer to help himself to a little extra booty on the side.

Odds are, that you killed for the loot, for the pirating fun of it, and for personal enrichment. Well thirty gold is but one PM away...:pirate2:

It is just business. You know it is the pirating thing to do to help yourself to all of this:



https://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5061/gold1200124022009.jpg

[Louis VI the Fat]

GH confirmed there was a single killer. It wasn't me.

A serial killer then? Hmm...



I need to vote, but I am still going through some PM's and stuff.

I will vote: Jolt

He's a pirate with a four letter name, yet it isn't an obscenity. Very unpiraty. What pirate knows four letter words that don't make all the priests from here to Recife fall on their knees and pray God for forgiveness for mankind's many sins?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ten gold max for a single transaction, Louis.

[White_eyes:D]

I just figured I would point out that Travoix was sleeping in the write-up....which contradicts what CDF said earlier...:inquisitive:
"Psst... wake up." Tratorix didn't move.

"Wake up," the voice said a bit louder, jostling Tratorix a bit harder.

"Mmm... mmph!" he muttered as the voice's owner jostled him harder still. "Okay, okay, I'm awake! What is it?"

Can you explain why? I am kind of pressed for time right now soooo.......

What I want to know is how I am scum when we have both been in the same protection group the entire game. :inquisitive: Especially considering we got the protection money for last night, so it was successful.


edit: OhhHHH :furious3: Tratorix is dead?

ugghhhh. not a good day.
He is scum people....Lynch away:smoking:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Let me just respond with my common sentiment, I get to say I told you so. :yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Let me just respond with my common sentiment, I get to say I told you so. :yes:

So you LIED to town??:inquisitive:

Or is my interpretation of GH's write-up off....:juggle2:

[Tratorix]

I just figured I would point out that Travoix was sleeping in the write-up....which contradicts what CDF said earlier...

1. You misspelled my name.
2. While I like the attempt to get CDF lynched, you're wrong.

[White_eyes:D]

Well that sucks....thought the write-ups would indict actions that they were doing....(should not have said anything if you wanted him lynched...:laugh4:) Unvote:CDF Vote:abstain till I cleanse my shame:shame:

[GeneralHankerchief]

The writeups can and should be scrutinized for clairty, but don't take too much out of what a person was doing at the start of their "scene" at night. Otherwise it severely limits the possibilities of what I as a writer can do, and seeing as how there are going to be several dozen "scenes" over the course of the game... I need all the possibilities I can get. :laugh4:

[Jolt]

GH confirmed there was a single killer. It wasn't me.

A serial killer then? Hmm...



I need to vote, but I am still going through some PM's and stuff.

I will vote: Jolt

He's a pirate with a four letter name, yet it isn't an obscenity. Very unpiraty. What pirate knows four letter words that don't make all the priests from here to Recife fall on their knees and pray God for forgiveness for mankind's many sins?

I dislike pirates from Tortuga.

Unvote, Vote: Louis IV

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Jolt


Yarrrr.... I have Jolt telling me privately that he wishes to become a british or a Maven, that he refuses to do protection groups, and that he would rather kill anyone I point my finger at. This smells of a traitorous townie, serial killer, or mafia, to me. I request that we make him walk the plank.

[Tratorix]

unvote, vote: Jolt


Yarrrr.... I have Jolt telling me privately that he wishes to become a british or a Maven, that he refuses to do protection groups, and that he would rather kill anyone I point my finger at. This smells of a traitorous townie, serial killer, or mafia, to me. I request that we make him walk the plank.

Why in the heck would Jolt tell you this? I've never understood why everyone thinks revealing things to you is a good idea. :no:

[shlin28]

unvote, vote: Jolt


Yarrrr.... I have Jolt telling me privately that he wishes to become a british or a Maven, that he refuses to do protection groups, and that he would rather kill anyone I point my finger at. This smells of a traitorous townie, serial killer, or mafia, to me. I request that we make him walk the plank.

What? When did this occur? Why would he tell you this when you stated in the threat that you are town would rather die than turn scum...?

[DisgruntledGoat]

Why in the heck would Jolt tell you this? I've never understood why everyone thinks revealing things to you is a good idea. :no:

Neither do I it was mind blowing to learn that people revealed whole families to others in Capo right off the bat.

I trust ATPG's motivations so Vote: Jolt

[Askthepizzaguy]

I haven't the foggiest idea what Jolt is up to. Admitting you'd rather become maven or British to the investigated about-to-be quartermaster is the same as requesting to be lynched. In the absence of better suspects, we might as well get rid of an uncooperative and admittedly traitorous player.

I'm working through my mind what Jolt could be. It's possible he's a joker/bomb role but I believe we've all agreed on how lame those roles are, and I think GeneralHankerchief spent a lot of time on this game, too much to risk everyone dying within a round or two. And if he's not a suicide role, then he's either disinterested in the game or he has a death wish.

Granted.

[Subotan]

Unvote, Abstain;Vote:Jolt

If we're going to bandwagon on someone, it may as well be on someone who at least smells guilty.

[Joooray]

Sorry guys, I don't have any time to read the thread, from what I could see, there has been long back and forth and I don't just want to abstain, so I will join the last few votes and Vote: Jolt.

[Centurion1]

Sasaki, I hope you admit you were wrong about little grizzly. Dead wrong, but my gut says your innocent, so i trust you.

ATPG is now a guaranteed safety spot, which i apologize in advance makes you an excellent conduit for organization. Louis is also clear so he is good for organization. I request that all organization goes through our officers as their are confirmed incorruptible townies now that they are officers.

CDF is denfinetly innocent, while i understand tratorixs anger, it is misplaced. ATPG how about you ask these two watchstanders you know to investigate cdf and then we will know about him for sure.

Andres, i didn't think that normal townies can jump ship, thought it was only maven.............. and why leave so early if maven, your cap'n would be angry....

for now Vote: Abstain

Can i see a tally?

[Tratorix]

CDF is denfinetly innocent, while i understand tratorixs anger, it is misplaced. ATPG how about you ask these two watchstanders you know to investigate cdf and then we will know about him for sure.

I'm not angry. I'm cool. :smoking:

So, CDF is definitely innocent, but should be investigated? Not sure I follow that.

[Centurion1]

Tratorix i mean i suspect innocence but a formal result would be ice. no offense i think your reasoning is weak. How is the fact he plans your protections dirty, even if you die it is not likely he has anything to do with it

[Tratorix]

Tratorix i mean i suspect innocence but a formal result would be ice. no offense i think your reasoning is weak. How is the fact he plans your protections dirty, even if you die it is not likely he has anything to do with it

:skull:

[Yaropolk]

unvote vote: jolt

[Centurion1]

well i vote: jolt, why would atpg lie, he is now confirmed pro town

[TinCow]

I am satisfied with the situation regarding CDF. However, after today's ridiculous antics, I refuse to have anything to do with an ATPG hearsay bandwagon. Instead I will

Unvote; Vote: Reenk, courteously

I will explain my vote in the same manner he does:

:lipsrsealed::no:
:lipsrsealed2::thumbsdown:
:sneaky::skull:

:elephant::elephant::Mr-T::elephant::elephant:

[Tratorix]

well i vote: jolt, why would atpg lie, he is now confirmed pro town

:rolleyes: :laugh4:

[scottishranger]

I havent been able to keep up lately, as Im preparing for a major baseball scout showcase in Florida. Ill be gone till next monday, with fairly scanty contact on the web. Ill still trying to read, but in all events, i havent even seen any evidence against anybody until this round.

[scottishranger]

Vote: Jolt btw. I trust ATPG

[CountArach]

unvote, vote: Jolt


Yarrrr.... I have Jolt telling me privately that he wishes to become a british or a Maven, that he refuses to do protection groups, and that he would rather kill anyone I point my finger at. This smells of a traitorous townie, serial killer, or mafia, to me. I request that we make him walk the plank.
Given that I still don't think any of the other ideas in this thread are particularly worth following (At least not without some more work on my part), then I believe we should at least get rid of a bad townie who has expressed interest in going over to the other side.

Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Jolt

I still would like a response from Reenk as to why he hasn't be spammy.

Sasaki, I hope you admit you were wrong about little grizzly. Dead wrong, but my gut says your innocent, so i trust you.
Avoiding making a powerful enemy... Seems a little scummy to me.

[Chaotix]

Vote: ACIN

Not a single troll post from him in the last few rounds. Something's up, he's trying to stay low-key instead of drawing attention to himself as usual.

I honestly don't care about the other candidates right now because I have no time to read everything and they all look like terrible candidates. Unless ATPG has some hard proof that Jolt really sent him PMs (i.e., post the PMs in-thread), I'm not buying it.

We can force ATPG and Andres to leave the boat tonight. Then they won't be recruited, and they will still be townie, irrevocably. Win-win situation. If they don't leave within two phases, then we assume they are converted and lynch them. Easy as pie.

[Jolt]

What the??? I never said that..? Said privately? Ugh?

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

Clearly something's fishy with him to make such blatant lies when I haven't even spoken to him about becoming British, Maven or otherwise. This trumped up accusation came completely out of blue for no apparent reason.

And isn't a little bit strange that everyone seems to be blindly following ATPG when his misconstrued theory that I, who am neither Maven nor British, and even if I spoke about wishing to become either Mafia group, I would still have to deal with the secret "tendency" value, I would be the greatest threat to all? Isn't it VERY OBVIOUS ATPG is playing us all for some obscure purpose?

FOS: Centurion1, Yaropolk, Subotan, Jooray, scottishranger, CountArach

Subotan, SMELLS GUILTY? You mean I smell guilty by having said nothing of the sort to ATPG, I'm not sure I follow your line of thought? This is nothing short of ridiculous.

Yaropolk, nice reasoning for the vote, no doubt.
Centurion1, can you give me a slight hint why would it occur to me telling ATPG that I want to join the Maven or the British?
VERY VERY CLEARLY we got a bucketload of people joining on my bandwagon which are Mafia. This is completely ridiculous.

[Tratorix]

words

Doesn't matter, dude. ATPG said you said you're guilty and that's good enough for everyone here, apparently.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Jolt

[Jolt]

Vote: Jolt

Ah, but of course. Somehow I can sense what ATPG's arguments might be.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, it's possible that Jolt told pizza that so that he could claim in the thread that pizza was lying. I don't think he would confess that if he was really going all out anti-town (it's moot anyway). And that's not really any more lynch worthy than claiming you should be lynched to get yourself promoted to officer...

There isn't any point in lynching townies who want to become mafia. It's not something you can choose. You're basically just lynching a townie...

[Diana Abnoba]

Good point Sasaki, but trusting a proven (by investigation) townie, over one whom has stated that he wants to become mafia, and refuses to do protections, is better in my book. Unless anyone has a better lynch suspect in mind, with more proof, my vote stands. Although I will admit, none of the lynch possibilities have been without some question. We have no REAL proof of a mafia this round.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good point Sasaki, but trusting a proven (by investigation) townie, over one whom has stated that he wants to become mafia, and refuses to do protections, is better in my book. Unless anyone has a better lynch suspect in mind, with more proof, my vote stands. Although I will admit, none of the lynch possibilities have been without some question. We have no REAL proof of a mafia this round.

It's not logical though. A proven townie you can perhaps trust not to lie, but that in no way means that who he says should be lynched should actually be lynched. In this case, he's saying "lynch this guy, he's a townie. The only evidence against jolt also includes him being a townie.

So shlin is more likely to be mafia than jolt :yes:

[Diana Abnoba]

What is the evidence on Shlin, why do you think he is mafia?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What is the evidence on Shlin, why do you think he is mafia?

My gut instinct, based on his response to being called out for having a low post count. His posts show a desire to not be suspected based on being a lurker. That's good townie play, but something mafia do a higher percentage of the time than townies do.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ahoy!

I'm sorry that due to events that were very briefly in my control and are now far beyond it, I had to skim read today. But discussion is good, so keep that up. I'll be able to read and communicate more soon, though. First thing will be communications with my officers and various roles who've contacted me.

Also, to those who requested avatars, I must contritely say I can't fulfill the orders until Monday.

Thanks,
CR

[ricera10]

I trust pizzaguy! As for the people who just lurk, they're probably going to end up as targets for night actions sooner or later. :skull:

Vote: Jolt

[Diana Abnoba]

My gut instinct, based on his response to being called out for having a low post count. His posts show a desire to not be suspected based on being a lurker. That's good townie play, but something mafia do a higher percentage of the time than townies do.

Well based on that, we have several suspects (see my post from last lynch phase).

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies. :shrug:

Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.

I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.


10/7/2009 5:14:00 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Thank you but I'm not really in the mood for protections.
10/7/2009 5:14:25 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'd rather help the British Maven take over the ship :P
10/7/2009 5:14:47 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt *adds Jolt to the kill list*
10/7/2009 5:15:01 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'm just glad I'm saying this to you
10/7/2009 5:15:20 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Last time I joked about in a game this way, I was vig killed and never knew who killed me
10/7/2009 5:15:51 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) To be honest, I'm playing one of those useless townie guys.
10/7/2009 5:16:12 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'm simply having hope someone recruits me so I become more involved
10/7/2009 5:16:31 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) someone means either Maven or British
10/7/2009 5:17:06 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) So, it means you can kill me, but you won't exactly being doing a good things
10/7/2009 5:17:06 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) *thing
10/7/2009 5:17:07 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) but then if you don't kill me, I won't do anything useful
10/7/2009 5:17:32 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Besides willingly participate in vig groups someone wishes for volunteers
10/7/2009 5:18:26 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Then if you investigate me, you'll be wasting the investigation as I'm a townie (After my RPing as a British in the first day, I'm pretty sure I got a good number of investigations)
10/7/2009 5:18:47 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I feel like playing a bad townie for once
10/7/2009 5:18:52 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) *bleh*
10/7/2009 5:19:10 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) And obviously, I wouldn't say this out of the blue if I was Mafia
10/7/2009 5:19:24 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt *adds Jolt to the top of the kill list*
10/7/2009 5:19:36 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Can't blame you
10/7/2009 5:19:42 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But it won't do you any good
10/7/2009 5:19:47 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) if you're from town
10/7/2009 5:20:00 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt gets rid of potential traitor/uncooperative.
10/7/2009 5:20:05 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you're Mafia, I'll try to push for your lynch as you should be recruiting me instead
10/7/2009 5:20:37 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) That is, unless some Pro-Town power role recruits me into Pro-Town
10/7/2009 5:20:44 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Obviously, I will be cooperative by then.
10/7/2009 5:21:02 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Until then, if you are in need of people being killed
10/7/2009 5:21:09 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Gimme a heads-up and I'll participate.
10/7/2009 5:21:26 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt Nope, I needed protection volunteers.
10/7/2009 5:21:43 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) When you need vig volunteers, call me
10/7/2009 5:21:49 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt DIE!
10/7/2009 5:22:20 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Heck, if you need protection volunteers, chances are you would need vig kill volunteers as well to vig kill me >__>
10/7/2009 5:22:43 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt you're forgetting the officers can kill
10/7/2009 5:22:55 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Obviously, you won't find my help to vig kill myself
10/7/2009 5:23:17 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If the officers can kill me, then let them do it
10/7/2009 5:23:22 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) It'll be a waste of a kill
10/7/2009 5:23:27 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But still.
10/7/2009 5:23:40 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt As good as done my friend
10/7/2009 5:23:48 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) No problem
10/7/2009 5:24:17 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Just try to think if I would do this play if I was Mafia
10/7/2009 5:24:23 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you decide that I would
10/7/2009 5:24:27 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Kill me
10/7/2009 5:24:35 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you don't, leave me alone or investigate me
10/7/2009 5:24:49 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Or talk to me when you want other people dead
10/7/2009 5:25:51 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt I don't really have to... I have you telling me you wont do protections, wish to become british or maven, and only wish to do vigilante kills. It's good enough for me. One less potential recruit for the mafia.
10/7/2009 5:26:13 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) true
10/7/2009 5:26:32 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) It would also be good if you want other people dead
10/7/2009 5:26:45 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But since you don't, kill me then

I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You seriously started a bandwagon based on that? :no:

"I'm a townie, but I'm bored and hope I get recruited by the mafia. I won't participate in prot groups but I will in vig groups"

I would say Jolt is much less likely to be mafia on the basis of that.

Lynch mafia, not townies :whip:

[Centurion1]

lol, i do not think i am scum. don't trust me sure.


Oh and i am not trying to suck up to sasaki, i am not really worried about him to be honest.

jolt why would a townie try to lynch a townie?

Please explain. WE KNOW ATPG is pro town

[Centurion1]

yes but sasaki why would atpg lie?

sorry for double post by the way

[Tratorix]

Despite his best efforts, the Cult of PizzaGuy seems to be around in this game as well. You guys do realize that Jolt is a townie and has no control over whether or not he is recruited, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You seriously started a bandwagon based on that?

Sorry, I could just say "sasaki is guilty, my gut told me". I dunno, I'd rather lynch someone who wants the town to lose. Call me crazy.

He does state he's presently a townie. He also states that he wants to be recruited, and he's voting for someone we know to be innocent. Sorry, I just don't see a helpful "townie" here, I see a person who wants to betray us like someone in Capo. He is townie in name only.

[Centurion1]

aye he may not have any control but now he painted a big target on his head saying, PICK ME, PICK ME

[Tratorix]

aye he may not have any control but now he painted a big target on his head saying, PICK ME, PICK ME

And why would they recruit someone who's already painted a target on himself? Justify it however you want, lynching someone you know is a townie is just a waste.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So do we have someone we know is mafia? Or do we want to chance it and possibly randomly hit someone important to the town, as opposed to a townie who wants town to lose.

By all means, point at a known mafioso and make him walk the plank. I'm open to suggestion. What's really pointless is sudden random bandwagons based on "my gut" and nothing else.

[Tratorix]

So do we have someone we know is mafia? Or do we want to chance it and possibly randomly hit someone important to the town, as opposed to a townie who wants town to lose.

By all means, point at a known mafioso and make him walk the plank. I'm open to suggestion. What's really pointless is sudden random bandwagons based on "my gut" and nothing else.

At least with a random lynch, you have a chance of hitting mafia. You're basically lynching Jolt because you think he might possibly be a threat at some random point in the future. You've stated yourself that you believe he's a townie, he's not going to purposely sabotage his own side in the hopes of getting recruited.

[Askthepizzaguy]

he's not going to purposely sabotage his own side in the hopes of getting recruited.

Sure no one has ever done that before in games *ahem*Sasaki

[Tratorix]

Sure no one has ever done that before in games *ahem*Sasaki

:rolleyes: :thumbsdown:

[Splitpersonality]

I also have to disagree with that, in Capo I sabotaged most of the pro-town network to the communists just to get an invite.

I don't necessarially think he should be lynched, but we certainly shouldn't give him any information at this point.

[A1_Unit]

ARGH! I go away for a few hours and when I come back there are 5 new pages! :dizzy2: :no:

[Tratorix]

ARGH! I go away for a few hours and when I come back there are 5 new pages! :dizzy2: :no:

We're currently bandwagoning Jolt for no real reason, if that helps. :thumbsup:

[TinCow]

ATPG is essentially trying to get us to waste a lynch on Jolt. This is bad play. Jolt has no say over whether he is recruited, just like the rest of us. He might even be unrecruitable, for all we know. If we lynch Jolt, it's a guaranteed waste of a round. Lynching ANYONE else who doesn't have evidence that strong about their role would be a far better move. A slim chance of lynching a mafioso is better than no chance of lynching a mafioso.

This is a stupid move that results from people blindly bandwagoning. I agree there are likely mafioso hiding in ATPG's fanclub, simply because it's absurdly easy. I recommend we turn our attention to them. Let's see here...

Unvote; Vote: Diana Abnoba

One of these days, you're bound to get a role that isn't friendly to his. Perhaps today is the day...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

So, taking notes...

In the future, when I come across someone who is working to ensure the town loses, I'll just sit on that info and not mention it. Good to know. I apologize for disrupting normal townie activity. Carry on.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sorry, I could just say "sasaki is guilty, my gut told me". I dunno, I'd rather lynch someone who wants the town to lose. Call me crazy.

He does state he's presently a townie. He also states that he wants to be recruited, and he's voting for someone we know to be innocent. Sorry, I just don't see a helpful "townie" here, I see a person who wants to betray us like someone in Capo. He is townie in name only.

No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.

So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.

I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?

Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo :sweatdrop:

[Language please - GH]

[TinCow]

:laugh4:

So, taking notes...

In the future, when I come across someone who is working to ensure the town loses, I'll just sit on that info and not mention it. Good to know. I apologize for disrupting normal townie activity. Carry on.

Not all games have the same setup, ATPG. Jolt's statements would make him a good lynch in Capo, but this game has different rules. Here, his desires to join the mafia are irrelevant. By himself, he can't kill anyone and he can't lynch anyone. Just like twilightblade in Capo, he's no threat, even though he's not helping us.

[LittleGrizzly]

Jolt is a silly lynch... I completely agree with sasaki's reasoning we may as well go for a possible mafia rather than a 'bad' townie... although I think he's wrong on the whole Andres thing...

I did like the lynching ATPG idea though... what happened to that... can we reconsider ?

Jolt at least seems up for it...

Edit: It would also be nice if the people that killed me could stop seeming so innocent and making good comments... its makes it harder to call for your death

Ohh, just to note I died the very first night of this game because I wanted some fun! (that was part of the reason at least)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very well, I think it's a bad idea to randomly lynch someone who might be helpful, versus someone who is definitely not helpful. Others disagree. And the world keeps on spinning.

[LittleGrizzly]

Are you saying the choice is between lynching Jolt or lynching someone who has been actively helping out in the groups every night ?

[scottishranger]

Well, iv been thoroughly confused for the night...

Basically its this, we either lynch a person who wants the town to lose, or we lynch a random person who doesnt deserve to die yet.

We lynch Jolt

[Tratorix]

Where did Jolt say he wants the town to lose? I didn't notice that in the chatlog. Some people, myself included, find playing as mafia more fun. It doesn't mean they're going to purposely sabotage their own side. :no:

[KukriKhan]

vote: Jolt

[Splitpersonality]

but then if you don't kill me, I won't do anything useful

Besides willingly participate in vig groups someone wishes for volunteers

That's not willingly sabotaging a side, it's just a apathy at being a townie :/

[Tratorix]

That's not willingly sabotaging a side, it's just a apathy at being a townie :/

Apathy is death. :skull:

[Splitpersonality]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, a second ago you were arguing against ATPG's bandwagon, no?

[KukriKhan]

Interesting group of folks anti Jolt lynch. Nice flush, ATPG.

[Tratorix]

When have I not been against this bandwagon? I've been arguing against it for a few hours because I disagree with it and I'm bored.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting group of folks anti Jolt lynch. Nice flush, ATPG.

Puts kukrikhan at top of "vig kill" list.

:beam:

[Splitpersonality]

Sorry, I took this:


Apathy = Death

To mean you agreed Jolt should be killed, or were you merely stating that he will die on his own because of the apathy?


EDIT

OH I see what you did there, you're quite a tricky man.

KOTOR 2 is it?

[Tratorix]

It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.

[miotas]

So... Many... Pages...

I already done me votin didn't I? Good.

Who's I be voting for? Ahhhhhh?...

Where'd I put that rum?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[pevergreen]

I go out and do work for a customer for four hours, and I miss voting by 15 minutes.

Gah.

[White_eyes:D]

I go out and do work for a customer for four hours, and I miss voting by 15 minutes.

Gah.

It was a forgone conclusion:shrug:

Edit:...oh the 3 gold....that bites:sad:

[Double A]

Voting closed.



Noooooooo! I was still reading!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 4

As the Presence sailed on, cutting its way through the calm waters of the North Atlantic, clouds started to form overhead. Soon, the waters would no longer be calm. Every sailor aboard the ship saw what was coming, and knew it wouldn't be pretty. The anticipation of the coming storm probably added to the overall testiness that defined the day's vote. Three days now of attacks, both physical and personal, did not make for a happy crew. Captain Crazed Rabbit's absence for most of the day did not do the crew any favors, either.

Finally, though, he emerged from his cabin, pronouncing the vote over, and telling the crew that he had another announcement to make.

"Lads," he said, "I be replacin' yer Quartermaster again. Thank you for yer service, Seamus Fermanagh, but right now I deem it best to be havin' Askthepizzaguy in this here position at this particular time."

Seamus eyed Rabbit incredulously as he stepped away, rejoining the crew. "I hope the next step isn't to pronounce me a Maven and have me thrown overboard?" he asked, half-joking.

"That remains to be seen," Rabbit replied in the same manner. "But seriously though Seamus, thank you for yer service. Should another vacancy open up, I'll be keepin' ye in mind. Now lads," he said, addressing the entire crew. "Who be the target o' our disapproval tonight?" A score of fingers immediately pointed at Jolt, who started loudly protesting at this.

"Quiet, boy," Rabbit hissed. "Yer fate has already been sealed, traitor. If ye don't want any further humiliation by the crew, then I suggest you die like a man, even if ye not be livin' like one."

"But-" Jolt said, and then finally closed his mouth, looking murderously at everyone who had pointed at him.

"That's a good lad," Rabbit said in a neutral tone of voice, leading Jolt and the rest of the crew to the plank. "Here be yer effects," he said, handing them to Jolt. "My ye find solace, be it in this life or the next."

"May I find solace through the night, never mind for eternity," Jolt muttered, eying the clouds up ahead.

"Aye, that ye may," said the Captain. And without further warning, he booted a surprised Jolt into the water, much to the chuckles of the crew. Several pistols were pointed at him, but Rabbit waved them off.

"Nay, lads, save yer bullets. And yer time, as well! There's a storm coming! Batten down the hatches! Secure the loose articles! I want this ship to be pissin' in Mother Nature's face tonight, and that also means nothin' rattlin' around! Well? What're ye waitin' for? GET TO WORK, YE SORRY SACKS OF SEAGULL DROPPINGS!" He continued amiably cursing at the crew, which sped off to work, leaving new discipline officer Askthepizzaguy to awkwardly yell shouts of agreement at Rabbit's orders.

Day 4 tally:

Jolt: 12 (Louis, ATPG, Goat, Subotan, Joooray, Yaro, Centurion, scottish, CA, Diana, ricera, Kukri) :skull:

Drizzt: 3 (pever, Drizzt, shlin)
ATPG: 3 (Andres, Split, Jolt)
Reenk: 2 (Beskar, Psychonaut)

Single votes: Andres (miotas), Yaro (Reenk), Diana (TinCow), shlin (Sasaki), ACIN (Chaotix), slash (Seamus), Seamus (slash)

Abstained: 5 (CR, A1, DiY, White_eyes, taka)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is now Night 4. The round will end at 00:01, Friday, October 9th US Eastern. That is precisely 24 hours from now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attacked: Centurion1 (n1), LittleGrizzly (n1), taka (n2), Andres (n3)

Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1), atheotes (n2), gibsonsg91921 (n2), Tratorix (n3), Iskander 3.1 (n3), Beefy187 (n3)

Lynched: woad&fangs (d2), Sigurd (d3), Jolt (d4)

Removed from play: Xehh II, johnhughthom, YLC

Souls aboard (39):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Chaotix
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Diana Abnoba
DisgruntledGoat
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
miotas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
ricera10
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
SSNeoperestroika
Subotan
taka
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan

[Tratorix]

Well, now that the villainous, uncooperative Jolt has been dealt with perhaps we can focus on people who are, y'know, actually guilty.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: ACIN

Not a single troll post from him in the last few rounds. Something's up, he's trying to stay low-key instead of drawing attention to himself as usual.


My Physics class has been taking much of my time this school year. Also on Wednesdays I have two clubs I am in taking up much of my time after school, which is why I am posting so late.

This leads into my:
Warning to GH, since i am busy on Wednesdays so much with my physics and various clubs I will probably miss more then a few votes on this day of the week and not post until late in the night for me, too late to meet the deadline most of the time. Just telling you now, I don't have the time I did with Capo.

And I just want the org to know, if anybody wants me to troll more all you have to do is ask.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Lack of time seems to be a common problem, so no worries. :yes:

I'm only keeping this phase short because any longer and I'd probably have to really drag it out because of my sleep schedule. If I do that, I prefer to do it when there's a voting phase.

[Andres]

I am satisfied with the situation regarding CDF. However, after today's ridiculous antics, I refuse to have anything to do with an ATPG hearsay bandwagon. Instead I will

Unvote; Vote: Reenk, courteously

I will explain my vote in the same manner he does:

:lipsrsealed::no:
:lipsrsealed2::thumbsdown:
:sneaky::skull:

:elephant::elephant::Mr-T::elephant::elephant:

Touché :laugh4:


Anyway,

So, basically Jolt was lynched, because he would like to be recruited by the mafia?

That sounds like a silly reason to me. It's not like townies can chose to go mafia in this game. They get recruited or they don't. For all we (and that includes Jolt) know, he may even be one of those townies who are not recruitable.

Why didn't we make him an officer, like we did with the previous townie who "might get recruited by the mafia"?

Hey, you know what: I'm a townie and it's possible that I could be recruited. Maybe make me an officer? Or lynch me?

Why was ATPG made officer and did Jolt get lynched?

I'm confused.

[Jolt]

So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies. :shrug:

Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.

I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.


10/7/2009 5:14:00 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Thank you but I'm not really in the mood for protections.
10/7/2009 5:14:25 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'd rather help the British Maven take over the ship :P
10/7/2009 5:14:47 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt *adds Jolt to the kill list*
10/7/2009 5:15:01 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'm just glad I'm saying this to you
10/7/2009 5:15:20 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Last time I joked about in a game this way, I was vig killed and never knew who killed me
10/7/2009 5:15:51 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) To be honest, I'm playing one of those useless townie guys.
10/7/2009 5:16:12 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I'm simply having hope someone recruits me so I become more involved
10/7/2009 5:16:31 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) someone means either Maven or British
10/7/2009 5:17:06 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) So, it means you can kill me, but you won't exactly being doing a good things
10/7/2009 5:17:06 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) *thing
10/7/2009 5:17:07 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) but then if you don't kill me, I won't do anything useful
10/7/2009 5:17:32 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Besides willingly participate in vig groups someone wishes for volunteers
10/7/2009 5:18:26 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Then if you investigate me, you'll be wasting the investigation as I'm a townie (After my RPing as a British in the first day, I'm pretty sure I got a good number of investigations)
10/7/2009 5:18:47 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) I feel like playing a bad townie for once
10/7/2009 5:18:52 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) *bleh*
10/7/2009 5:19:10 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) And obviously, I wouldn't say this out of the blue if I was Mafia
10/7/2009 5:19:24 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt *adds Jolt to the top of the kill list*
10/7/2009 5:19:36 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Can't blame you
10/7/2009 5:19:42 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But it won't do you any good
10/7/2009 5:19:47 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) if you're from town
10/7/2009 5:20:00 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt gets rid of potential traitor/uncooperative.
10/7/2009 5:20:05 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you're Mafia, I'll try to push for your lynch as you should be recruiting me instead
10/7/2009 5:20:37 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) That is, unless some Pro-Town power role recruits me into Pro-Town
10/7/2009 5:20:44 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Obviously, I will be cooperative by then.
10/7/2009 5:21:02 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Until then, if you are in need of people being killed
10/7/2009 5:21:09 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Gimme a heads-up and I'll participate.
10/7/2009 5:21:26 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt Nope, I needed protection volunteers.
10/7/2009 5:21:43 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) When you need vig volunteers, call me
10/7/2009 5:21:49 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt DIE!
10/7/2009 5:22:20 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Heck, if you need protection volunteers, chances are you would need vig kill volunteers as well to vig kill me >__>
10/7/2009 5:22:43 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt you're forgetting the officers can kill
10/7/2009 5:22:55 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Obviously, you won't find my help to vig kill myself
10/7/2009 5:23:17 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If the officers can kill me, then let them do it
10/7/2009 5:23:22 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) It'll be a waste of a kill
10/7/2009 5:23:27 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But still.
10/7/2009 5:23:40 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt As good as done my friend
10/7/2009 5:23:48 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) No problem
10/7/2009 5:24:17 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Just try to think if I would do this play if I was Mafia
10/7/2009 5:24:23 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you decide that I would
10/7/2009 5:24:27 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Kill me
10/7/2009 5:24:35 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) If you don't, leave me alone or investigate me
10/7/2009 5:24:49 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Or talk to me when you want other people dead
10/7/2009 5:25:51 PM askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) Jolt I don't really have to... I have you telling me you wont do protections, wish to become british or maven, and only wish to do vigilante kills. It's good enough for me. One less potential recruit for the mafia.
10/7/2009 5:26:13 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) true
10/7/2009 5:26:32 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) It would also be good if you want other people dead
10/7/2009 5:26:45 PM Jolt askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) But since you don't, kill me then

I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.

...What??? Why? Or better yet, really? I seriously have no idea why you took the work to do that, but I can assure to everyone that I did NOT write ANY of that. This was just all too weird.
EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairro_Alto), how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.

[Subotan]

I'll be up all night on deck. Anyone want to play knucklebones?

[DisgruntledGoat]

Pizza has been declared fully investigated and cleared. Why on Earth would he lie Jolt. I think you need to come up with a better defense than "Pizza is lying for some reason."

EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?

[Louis VI the Fat]

It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords.

You can send the gold to my offshore bank account on the Cayman Islands.

[Death is yonder]

I will give 10 gold to whoever can guess what game it's from...:2cents:

Aww.. too bad I was asleep, and away following that, if not I could have easily told you the answer :laugh4:


Well, now that the villainous, uncooperative Jolt has been dealt with perhaps we can focus on people who are, y'know, actually guilty.

This seems to sum up my opinion of the current day phase...

Back to hitting the books :book:

:wall:


EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?

Edit: We'll know in 3 days :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dislike pirates from Tortuga.

Unvote, Vote: Louis IV


unvote, vote: Jolt


EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto, how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.

And you're in Portugal, yes... so when you were voting in the top quoted post, it was 5:27PM my time, as reflected in the quoted conversation. Not to mention the fact that you were here to, you know, vote, precisely 3 minutes before I voted for you. So everything you're saying is a lie. Which, if you're a townie, means you want to confuse and spread misinformation even in death.

Have a balloon. :balloon2:

[CountArach]

Why was ATPG made officer?
He has been fully investigated and found innocent according to both CR and Louis, yet has been found susceptible to conversion. Hence, by making him an officer he can't be converted and we have one more confirmed townie in a power position.

[Beskar]

It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.

Asterix.

[Andres]

He has been fully investigated and found innocent according to both CR and Louis, yet has been found susceptible to conversion. Hence, by making him an officer he can't be converted and we have one more confirmed townie in a power position.

Why ATPG? Why not me? Or you? Or Sasaki?

This is favouritism! It's unfair! How about equal rights? Equal treatment!

We should not tolerate this arbitrary rule of that corrupt dictatorial Rabbit! To the sharks with him! Off with his head! Mutiny!

[Beskar]

Why ATPG? Why not me? Or you? Or Sasaki?

This is favouritism! It's unfair! How about equal rights? Equal treatment!

We should not tolerate this arbitrary rule of that corrupt dictatorial Rabbit! To the sharks with him! Off with his head! Mutiny!

Who would investigate a deadman? :clown:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why was ATPG made officer and did Jolt get lynched?Because:
Pizza has been protecting crew, and Jolt has been killing them.
Pizza spoke the truth, Jolt lied about the MSN chat.


Jolt has been on a killing expedition at least twice. Against players he knew to be town. He also lied about chat logs / PM's. (Which, incidentally, our silly hypocrites Sasaki, Andres and Jolt seem to have forgot was the very reason they themselves vig killed innocent Grizzly)

How is that not a good lynch? Players need to protect themselves against their killers. Of any kind. Be they English, maven, or townies who publicly announce they will kill townies just for the fun of it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.

So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.

I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?

Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo :sweatdrop:

[Language please - GH]> Jolt has at least twice been involved in vig killing innocents. There is a silly hypocrisy in Jolt's mates protesting his lynch as 'unnecessary killing of a town player'.
Half the people who protested, have been involved in killing innocents together with Jolt.

> Sasaki, you are mistaken about this game's mechanics. This game is exceedingly difficult for the town:

Investigations take a whopping three days. This game will be over before a detective has even managed to investigate a mere handful of players.

Players turn mafia without prior warning. Without any visible sign of it in the thread. In Capo, a player needs to kill to turn to the Dark Side. We get to see players turn mafia. They can also be caught doing so by detectives.
Not so here.

Lastly, all of the town players are in competition with one another too.

So again, even if the names of all the mafia players were announced by GH right now, the town could still lose. There is absolutely no reason to assume this will be a town walkover.

> For some reason, many players think that wantonly killing players is a fun thing to do. I disagree. There are roles. And there are people behind the roles. What is so cool about ending the game for some guy/gal just for the kicks of it? Just because you are disappointed that you are town?

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

[pevergreen]

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

Coming soon to the gameroom

Somali Teenage Militia - Drugged up edition!

[TinCow]

Pizza spoke the truth, Jolt lied about the MSN chat.

This is a ridiculous argument, because Jolt didn't even comment on the chat log until after the lynch was over. This was never a basis for the lynch.

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

[Tratorix]

This is a ridiculous argument, because Jolt didn't even comment on the chat log until after the lynch was over. This was never a basis for the lynch.

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

You take your big city logic elsewhere, it ain't wanted here. :smash:

The best part about this is Jolt participating in various vig groups wasn't brought up until after he was lynched. Also, he's lying about the chatlogs for no apparent reason.

[TinCow]

Also, he's lying about the chatlogs for no apparent reason.

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong. Odd that everyone seems to forget that if LG hadn't been killed, he would've been lynched immediately afterwards. That vig kill saved us a lynch... which was then used on LG's most prominent defender.

[Tratorix]

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point. :dizzy2:

[KukriKhan]

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point. :dizzy2:

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick! :laugh4:

[Tratorix]

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick! :laugh4:

I would have, but as far as I can tell all our esteemed Cap'n has done so far is sit around and draw pretty pictures. :drummer:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso.
I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong. Wrong, not wrong...I didn't care. There were reasons to kill Grizz, there were reasons not to. I, for one, never voted for any of his killers over it.

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.


The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.
And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

[TinCow]

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.

You're remembering incorrectly. LG was killed because he admitted to having lied. Jolt was lynched because he said he was a bored townie. There's a huge difference there.


The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.

If you'd like to keep the town alive, I suggest you try to lynch people that appear like they might be mafioso, as opposed to people that appear to almost certainly be townies. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but the entire argument for lynching Jolt was based on the assumption that he was a townie. No one even suggested that he was a mafioso. Color me skeptical if you say that was the best method of keeping townies alive.


And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

And some of the protesters, like me, have been doing nothing but cooperating fully with CR-organized protection groups. Am I scum because I think what they say makes sense?


Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

And what do you think of the bandwagon that appeared afterwards? Does it not concern you that so many people were able to vote without giving any reason or being questioned over it?

[Andres]

Louis, have you ever been scum in a mafia game before?

Scum as opposed to townie.

[Captain Blackadder]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

[Andres]

There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?

EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?

[TinCow]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

That's it, I officially declare that lynch the laziest, most poorly thought out vote I have ever seen in any mafia game.

[Death is yonder]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

Uh, firstly, the round is over :sweatdrop:

Secondly ATPG can't lie as the argument was centered around lying about chatlogs and uh... wanting to be a mafia, emphasis on the "wanting to be"...


There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?


Apparently it looks as if Tratorix is attacking CDF due to the fact that all those who participated with him in a group died off simultaneously and pretty fast... that and "stuff the dead can't reveal".

No idea.

:book:

[DisgruntledGoat]

That's it, I officially declare that lynch the laziest, most poorly thought out vote I have ever seen in any mafia game.

Well you certainly helped by placing a somewhat random vote Diana.... Glass houses tincow. Glass houses.

FoS: Tincow

Why? You seem to care just a little too much about the way the lynch was handled. Trying to exude innocence? Have a reason to be mad that Jolt is now gone? I don't know yet. But you have my vote come the next day phase.

[Tratorix]

Well you certainly helped by placing a somewhat random vote Diana.... Glass houses tincow. Glass houses.

FoS: Tincow

Why? You seem to care just a little too much about the way the lynch was handled. Trying to exude innocence? Have a reason to be mad that Jolt is now gone? I don't know yet. But you have my vote come the next day phase.

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Darn townies always trying to make us find and lynch actual suspects. :furious3:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Bad logic is really hard to argue with...how do you convince someone of something that should be obvious?

LG--strong evidence of him starting the game with a group of affiliated players, and of him having something to hide. And in fact as has now been revealed, he started the game with a group of affiliated players, and had something to hide. Lynch on that basis everytime, no question.
Jolt--all evidence pointed towards him being a townie.
ANYONE else--approximately 10% chance of being mafia. Louis, I showed before that mathematically it is to the towns advantage to randomly vig kill people. That's kind of mean though. But nothing wrong with vigging or lynching suspects, you aren't going to vote no lynch are you?

[DisgruntledGoat]

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Darn townies always trying to make us find and lynch actual suspects. :furious3:

My point is, why is he criticizing the lynch when he offered nothing of an alternative. Except for a half hearted vote on Diana after she voted for Jolt. It reeks of someone that is trying to show how much of a townie he is. "HEY! I highly disapprove of this lynch. It was lazy and bad for the town but I didn't offer any alternative and in fact participated in the laziness by voting randomly for Diana. But I DISAPPROVE! And that means I'm nothing but an able seamen." Doesn't fly with me. Sorry.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My point is, why is he criticizing the lynch when he offered nothing of an alternative. Except for a half hearted vote on Diana after she voted for Jolt. It reeks of someone that is trying to show how much of a townie he is. "HEY! I highly disapprove of this lynch. It was lazy and bad for the town but I didn't offer any alternative and in fact participated in the laziness by voting randomly for Diana. But I DISAPPROVE! And that means I'm nothing but an able seamen." Doesn't fly with me. Sorry.

No it's basic math. 10 % > 1%. A bad lynch is worse than a random lynch.

[TinCow]

My point is, why is he criticizing the lynch when he offered nothing of an alternative. Except for a half hearted vote on Diana after she voted for Jolt. It reeks of someone that is trying to show how much of a townie he is. "HEY! I highly disapprove of this lynch. It was lazy and bad for the town but I didn't offer any alternative and in fact participated in the laziness by voting randomly for Diana. But I DISAPPROVE! And that means I'm nothing but an able seamen." Doesn't fly with me. Sorry.

Did you bother reading any of the other 13 posts I made that day before that point, when I was trying to get information out of CDF, ATPG, and Reenk? Sorry for putting effort into getting information out of people. I'll try harder to just vote as ATPG says without comment from now on.

[Beskar]

EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?

He has, from what I heard down the grapevine.

Only has been 3 people fully investigated. One by the "non-watchstander" and Pizza+Louis by Watchstanders.


Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

While I be honest, agree with this, there is also another point to consider. In a situation where we don't know who the mafiaso is, or have any good leads, killing some one like Jolt who might be a townie but really wants to work for the mafia and hindering the town, might be a good choice, opposed to some one who is completely innocent/pro-town/working for the town.

[Reenk Roink]

:egypt: :smash: <- judge banging gavel

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsup: :sleep: :thumbsdown: <- jury


:laugh4: at the people who think that I at all am going to cooperate with these dumb "pressure votes" or change my chosen playstyle this game. :rolleyes: You can go ahead and work in these groups and try and intimidate others to follow your ideas, but I definitely put a lot more stock in my own gut and my own analysis than that of any of the vocal people in this game so far. And why should I tell you my reasons for voting whoever? Figure it out yourselves, don't be lazy, the smilies are clues enough. After all, a string of smilies is much less embarrassing (and more convincing) than the absolutely awful cases against LG, w&f, Andres, CDF, CR, and Jolt (at least CR had a detective result reason on Sigurd which we can gather info from no matter if it is right or wrong).

[DisgruntledGoat]

Did you bother reading any of the other 13 posts I made that day before that point, when I was trying to get information out of CDF, ATPG, and Reenk? Sorry for putting effort into getting information out of people. I'll try harder to just vote as ATPG says without comment from now on.

What a wonderful side step to the right. How 'bout instead of complaining about the lynch offers and claiming you've been doing your part and making token posts you offer up something substantial. You disliked the way the lynch was headed and yet instead of offering someone else, or even abstaining you vote for Diana. Which you will claim was a "pressure vote" to get her talking. Do you know what scum do? They put pressure votes on people to look like they are participating especially when they want to avoid being associated with a bandwagon.

[White_eyes:D]

They put pressure votes on people to look like they are participating especially when they want to avoid being associated with a bandwagon.

To be fair....that was an easy bandwagon to slip into.....:laugh4::laugh4:

Most Mafia have no qualms about slipping into a monster bandwagon like that....perhaps there are other signs?:yes: Because I doubt TinCow is Mafia because of that...:juggle2: And if he is....He is nothing like the Mafia player I seen in Netherworld...:no:

[TinCow]

What a wonderful side step to the right. How 'bout instead of complaining about the lynch offers and claiming you've been doing your part and making token posts you offer up something substantial. You disliked the way the lynch was headed and yet instead of offering someone else, or even abstaining you vote for Diana. Which you will claim was a "pressure vote" to get her talking. Do you know what scum do? They put pressure votes on people to look like they are participating especially when they want to avoid being associated with a bandwagon.

I fully admit that by the time I made my vote on Diana, I was too frustrated with the situation to try and create a solid case against someone else. By that point I believed that no matter what I said, the Jolt vote was going to succeed. I felt (and still feel) that there were almost certainly mafioso hiding in that bandwagon. I picked Diana because I wanted to vote for a bandwagoner to express my frustration and because I felt voting for her specifically would be the most likely way to get a reaction out of ATPG.

[Crazed Rabbit]

This ship will be run as the captain says it will be.

And I be the captain!

We will not be followin' any man and votin' based on his whims. That be no way to run a ship.

We will investigate and lynch those we find to be guilty. But I don't think lynching a man who wanted to betray us, and was helping our enemies even before that, is a very bad choice.

So I be askin ye all; who should we investigate?

CR

[Andres]

This ship will be run as the captain says it will be.

And I be the captain!

We will not be followin' any man and votin' based on his whims. That be no way to run a ship.

We will investigate and lynch those we find to be guilty. But I don't think lynching a man who wanted to betray us, and was helping our enemies even before that, is a very bad choice.

So I be askin ye all; who should we investigate?

CR

Joooray, pevergreen and CDF.

And in case it hasn't been done yet: Louis.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

joooray is basically confirmed innocent, and CDF was accused because he was suspected of having killed his partners, however one was killed by a 2 person group and the other was killed by a solo killer.

I think shlin should be investigated, and pevergreen is a reasonable choice as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Probably the last I'll say on the matter, as I'd like to move on-

Now that the man is dead and almost everything he said was either a joke or an outright lie, or both, and we won't know for sure if he's town, mafia, or "crazy person" role (It's entirely possible he had a role where everything he had to say was a lie or unhelpful :shrug:) for another few days, perhaps we can put this to rest. As for whether people should blindly follow what some players say, I say no... come up with suspects and judge for yourselves whether existing bandwagons are worth following. Which, I rather thought people had been doing. However, I find it slightly odd that some suggest it's bad that there's "blind" bandwagoning/following going on when attempts to get others to follow their accusations such as "my gut" and "we need a bunch of votes of this player because I said so" etc, are examples of the exact same thing. The difference is that those aren't as popular or likely to succeed, probably because the neutral observers don't see a reason why. That reason makes all the difference. I think the main complaint here is that some people's suspects aren't being treated with the same weight.

I honestly do wish we had a better suspect here and there, someone else knowing something better and more profound, leading to a better lynch than simply a townie with a penchant for lying for no reason, or perhaps the "village drunk" kind of role, who knows. But last round was filled with dead-end suspects, in my mind, and I didn't want to make a move against any of them, at least not yet. Given the lack of serious bandwagons on those suspects, there were a lot of people who would agree with me on that. When presented with at least a guy who seems to have a tongue more forked than Poseidon's trident, who admits to wanting to do whatever it takes to destroy random players, and then eventually side with the mafia, many people just happened to agree that in the absence of other better suspects, :shrug: hey why not at least eliminate a pest? I note that in other games... way back in the murky history of before two weeks ago, people would suggest that random vigilante kills were a bad idea, especially if we don't know who we're hitting, in a game filled with pro-town roles. This was common sense sort of stuff and most people agreed. Some even went so far as to say a rogue vigilante is just as dangerous as the mafia we're after. And these were some good players saying this. And this rogue vigilante might even have his heart in the right place. What about one who was technically on your side, but had his heart set on killing you on purpose, for the very reason of eliminating as many as possible, so if you do eventually become mafia, you have fewer innocents to kill? It would not exactly be controversial to have this person killed.

As an example, after a few kills that looked bad in the Council of Villains, particularly one against Reenk Roink I think it was, there were calls to see our vigilante die. He was on our side at that point. In most games, the town does not allow bad kills to continue, our "side" or not. Especially if the case may be the person couldn't tell the truth to, quite literally, save his own life. Here, we might have lynched a mafioso instead. True... yes, we might have. Or just as easily killed a townie, or perhaps not even a known townie, but one who had performed a successful protection, perhaps... or one that was actively organizing protections that had worked, or perhaps one that faithfully sent in orders, leaving them vulnerable to being scanned for lies, making our work easier. Perhaps we could have lynched a watchstander or a doctor. Or maybe we could have followed Jolt and lynched our fully-investigated-as-loyal First Mate. All kinds of lovely options. And, with no firm leads on who the mafia were, that's precisely what we probably would have done. Yeah, in the first round or so we take a shot in the dark with our lynches, and hope our roles make the connections necessary to avoid being picked off early. As the game progresses, we try our best to avoid the totally random and work more on getting the mafia through deduction, reason, and evidence. In the absence of that, if you wanted to avoid hitting a good townie, you can always take out a bad one. Quite literally, one that even stated that he wanted to be bad, and was going to continue to be killing off random people until he was turned into a scumbag. Now there's some differences on whether or not it's wise to resort to lynching such a person in the absence of real leads. And we settle those differences the way we settle all our differences; by the vote. The arguments have been made, and no one has really budged on the issue. Since it's been settled by the vote and the game must go on, we should move on.

Edit: Louis said it so much more succinctly here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2349473&postcount=1185). :shame:


And because Diana is a fellow player, if you vote for her, it will not trigger a reaction out of me such that killing pevergreen would trigger a reaction from Reenk, let's say. We express our love outside of the game, not in it. Someday I fully expect to find a knife in my back covered in lipstick kisses. I think that if either of us were mafia, we'd make sure the other was too dead to find out.

[Yaropolk]

What, couldn't put that into a shanty?

[Subotan]

So relevant, it is impossible not to post this

http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-291.png

[Askthepizzaguy]

I admit, this pirate ship needs more dinosaurs.

[TinCow]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7PbGEP1owXc/SXVXpR9770I/AAAAAAAANpI/Qy6z6ay38kA/s400/pirate.jpg

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Nice one TinCow!

Louis:

Why the "duel" with Kojiro? Doesn't seem quite in keeping with your usual game style.

[White_eyes:D]

@ATPG: You don't think she would try and recruit you??:eyebrows: I recall "inishmore" Good times..:laugh4:

[Subotan]

That, is one scurvy T-Rex.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG: You don't think she would try and recruit you??:eyebrows: I recall "inishmore" Good times..:laugh4:

To be fair it was her very first game and her choice was designed such that someone she knew very well could walk her through the game. Everyone assumes that if one of us is mafia, the other one is. Probably the entire reason why if there's a mafia game with recruitment, we'd avoid one another like the plague if one of us is mafia.

Or maybe that's WIFOM and you should kill us both. :eyebrows:

[White_eyes:D]

maybe that's WIFOM and you should kill us both. :eyebrows:
Yeah sure....I will get right on it...:clown:

If I was SK...I would just leave you alive (you seem to be doing ALOT of damage to town, no offense:juggle2:)....if I was townie, same thing (you have been confirmed innocent by the Captain, can't see how that works):shrug: if I was Mafia, not sure what I would do....take orders I guess:book:

"I am :daisy:ed if I do, :daisy:ed if I don't".....it had to happened sometime, I had too much of "good luck steak" as townie in large games lately:laugh4:

[pevergreen]

:eyebrows: <- i can do that and it scares the :daisy: out of people.

Investigate me? Preposterous.

I have infomation no other has....:laugh4: MWHAHA HA HA HA *hack* *cough* *splutter*

mmm good luck steak. Is it beefy by any chance? :clown:

[White_eyes:D]

mmm good luck steak. Is it beefy by any chance? :clown:

Poor Beefy....never gets a break:no:

Dedicated to Beefy:bow:
https://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m165/reconartist/banzai.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I was SK...I would just leave you alive (you seem to be doing ALOT of damage to town, no offense:juggle2:)

:laugh4:

Sure I have. Perhaps you'd care to give a damage report.

[White_eyes:D]

You lynched Jolt(bad townie) over a possible SK(me:rolleyes:)

I can't tell you have bad that is.....If I was SK, I would be able to kill one more person...:idea2:
Or you would need to waste a group in order to kill me....Personally, I don't know why you didn't push your case...:shrug:(Bear in mind....I am not saying I am a SK....but it looks real bad:sweatdrop:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

You lynched Jolt(bad townie) over a possible SK(me:rolleyes:)

I can't tell you have bad that is.....

Probably because it's completely silly. Jolt was killing townies left and right and was going to continue to do so. Your statements make no sense whatsoever.

[White_eyes:D]

Sooo...a bad townie is worse then an SK???:inquisitive:

THAT MAKES no sense....:whip:

Jolt can't kill alone....:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your assertion only makes sense if you admit to being mafia or a serial killer.

So you're talking about either a hypothetical, or you're admitting you're a scumbag. Either way, you still haven't demonstrated all the massive damage I've done to the town.

:wink:

[White_eyes:D]

You haven't seen it yet....:no:

And we well see if I am scum or not:bow:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Louis, have you ever been scum in a mafia game before?

Scum as opposed to townie.No. I am your perfect boy scout. :saint:

Even in CAPO, as a wiseguy I tried everything I could to get promoted to townie. Including ratting out an entire fami


Townie is simply the coolest role there is in mafia. :sweetheart:
It's the most challenging. The most demanding. The most creative. The free-est. All I want is to be Capo di Tutti Townie. (Seamus ought to install that title. Have careers move two ways)





Louis:

Why the "duel" with Kojiro? Doesn't seem quite in keeping with your usual game style. What duel? I debate for the sake of debate. It's not like I'm picking on a newbie with scarcely any idea of what's going on. Besides, I have not once voted Sasaki. I don't even vote Andres.

I am simply resisting their evil plot to confuse the town and take over this ship for themselves.


Thinking about it all, I think there were two different debates earlier that got hopelessly entangled. One, the merits of voting Jolt in the absense of any clear mafia candidates.* And two, lingering...'emotions' carried over from CAPO. In particular, aversion to massive voting blocks, the use of pressure, and lynching people for refusing to co-operate.

I was not really part of Capo. I think I may have overlooked this lingering dissatisfaction. All I can say is that I see nothing of the sort here.

There is no voting block. The bandwagon happened, I think, because after 22 hours of deliberation still no clear candidate had emerged. Then Jolt became the subject of discussion. There were several votes on him from several of the few confirmed townies. And Jolt looked scummy too. What's a player to do, eh? Get a vote from random.org? Or vote alongside people you trust and work with?

There is no pressure either. There is not even a close town organisation. Were are all these protect/kill groups? They are not here. Despite the impossibility of getting meaningful results in any reasonable timespan. The town is fighting with its eyes closed and one hand behind its back. (Although I disagree with this. Because it does not show respect for the quality of the mafia players)

There are no threats issued to force people into co-operation. Although I think that perhaps at fleeting glance the case against Jolt may appear that way. Quod non. Jolt was questioned over his kills. In the same fashion that Andres and Sasaki were - neither of which were lynched over it. Why? I can only speak for myself, but: because Andres and Sasaki showed a spine and simply said we killed, for this reason, and we'll do it just the same the next time. Fine. My pirate heart has some sort of grudging respect for that.
Jolt, by contrast, never voluntarily confirmed partaking in vig groups. He says he's doing it for fun. And that he'll do it again and hopes to become mafia. And then lied about it all too. How's that not a good reason to lynch somebody?


*If I were mafia, I'd hide in a vig group to do my killing. You make some friends, you are invisible to investigation ('oh, I was killing because the kill was announced in the thread! I simply volunteered for the job. Yes, it's a rough job, but somebody's got to do it, eh'), maybe work a bit towards throwing the crew into dissarray by working towards mutiny, and get to kill a townie on top of it too. Great strategy.

[A Very Super Market]

Vote: Jolt

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am looking for volunteers for a vig group on Jolt tonight!

PM me!

[Splitpersonality]

Isn't the phase over, and jolt dead? :confused:

[Centurion1]

jolt is dead it is now night

[a completely inoffensive name]

Night period ends in roughly 4 and half hours. Then we can vote again.

EDIT: Yes, Jolt is dead.

[pevergreen]

I think he knows that.

LOOKING FOR A VIG GROUP ON PEVER TONIGHT.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will you be participating in it, pever?

You see, pevergreen is so bad:daisy: that it takes not only three other men, but his own strength, to bring himself down.

[pevergreen]

Even then, I'd have enough strength to deliver a monologue, involving a cat, and a mouse to scratch a man to death. Most likely featuring a man who fights by the book of arithmatic.

[Diana Abnoba]

While we are waiting for the night phase to end, to help pass the time, another installment of:

Adventures on the high seas with "Itchy Lou". Starring "Itchy Lou" and the crew.

"Itchy Lou" stumbles down the stairs from the officers quarters, holding his pet parrot Pete in one hand, and a bottle of rum in the other hand, crying.

I found ye finally, he was in the 1st mates room, and here's his other leg. That Louis, he killed me pet parrot Pete. Why ye have to go and do that, I'm not a bad pirate, just drunk most of the time.

Takes his shirt and blows his nose in to it. Cries some more, and takes another drink of his rum.

I gots him when I was in port, naw I can't remember now, but it was the port wheres I met Tina. Yarrr it was a magical night. They calls her toothless Tina, she had no teeth of her own, but that came in handy at times, if you know what I mean. She was quite a women, well after 2 bottles of rum and 2 eye patches that is. That's where Pete learned to say, "no me dear, turn back over."

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a strange and delightful girlfriend.

Don't ever change sweetie. :kiss:

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks baby! :kiss:

[Askthepizzaguy]

*shoves Itchy Lou in the chest*

Get off of me ya scurvy dog! Not in front of me crew! And quit hoggin' the rum or it will be the lash for you tonight!

if ye know what I mean :wink:

[CountArach]

*shoves Itchy Lou in the chest*
You can go to prison for that sort of stuff ATPG...

[pevergreen]

This is disgusting.

Room for a third? :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can go to prison for that sort of stuff ATPG...

Not to worry, we can go to prison in 37 states for the other stuff we do! :eyebrows:

[Diana Abnoba]

I thought you were the kind of guy that didn't kiss and tell. You dog you...

[Askthepizzaguy]

*ahem*

Back to yer cabins, men! Nothing to see. I'll handle Itchy Lou from here. To the brig with ye! :eyebrows:


10 gold pieces to the first man who can convince her to change "Goddess of the hunt" to "saucy wench"... :2cents: