View Full Version : Large Mafia Game Netherworld II [Concluded]
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 07:44
The round is over in 2 hours and fifteen minutes. I'll be asleep, but the round will be over when the clock ticks. Again, in event of any tiebreakers, standard rules apply.
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 09:20
Screw it, I'll be up for at least another hour... so ya, if y'all feel like talking or voting or whatever....
Strike that, sleep is calling me... I'll have it checked again when I wake up in five or so. Round still ends same time.
I had to vote in a hurry like that yesterday evening, because the misses would have gotten really angry otherwise and I wasn't sure if I'll be up before the round ends.
Anyway I'm am awake in time and as such will change my vote. Unvote; Vote: Sigurd.
Can't say I'm sure about that vote and hope Double A will show up to vote so it's not only my vote that will make the difference. I hope this is not perceived as a OMGUS- vote, it's just that Sigurd's behavior the last two rounds got me really suspicious of him. If I'm wrong and thus seal the fate of the town, I'm very sorry for that in advance, but I'll have to go with my gut here.
I had to vote in a hurry like that yesterday evening, because the misses would have gotten really angry otherwise and I wasn't sure if I'll be up before the round ends.
Anyway I'm am awake in time and as such will change my vote. Unvote; Vote: Sigurd.
Can't say I'm sure about that vote and hope Double A will show up to vote so it's not only my vote that will make the difference. I hope this is not perceived as a OMGUS- vote, it's just that Sigurd's behavior the last two rounds got me really suspicious of him. If I'm wrong and thus seal the fate of the town, I'm very sorry for that in advance, but I'll have to go with my gut here.
Again you vote with the momentum... If you are not the last killer, I am not sure what to think. The Mafia has alluded to the fact that you are TinCow's doctor. I doubt that, all though TinCow has entered the scene trying his Jedi mind trick which doesn't work on Norwegians BTW. :beam:
Well? I am currently the one to be lynched, but I am not the last killer. The last killer should be either you or Psychonaut should we trust the YLC investigations. Which I am inclined to do as the Mafia has tried to discredit it since it was posted. But you do realize why you are under suspicion right?
Voting me as a small retaliation and possibly getting me out of the way for the next round, because right now I am your strongest opponent, is really, really suspicious.
I wish the other would see this as I am.
[edit]: You should convince me of your innocence...
I have a bad feeling about that last minute vote switch...
I am not going to make this easy for you. I will buy us some time by unvote:Joooray, vote: Psychonaut.This will create a tie and time for us to discuss more. Let this day last.
Yeah I know that looks bad, but as I said, I go with my gut feeling here. It has been suggested that you two are a team, though I find it hard to see where there could be still two bad guys, I really have a hard time trusting you two.
I don't know what to do, honestly, if I was mafia, I'd at least know that. I'm really confused and very sorry if I should screw the game for everybody, I just got a very bad feeling about Sigurd.
Edit: Alright, since there is more time: I don't know how to prove my innocence to you, Sigurd, I may as well reveal, as the mafia will most probably target me next night:
I am the pro-town doctor that assisted TinCow, the cause for not appearing the last few rounds was that I've been very unlucky (or am very unskilled) with my choice of protection targets. Much too often I protected myself, because I did not know who was worthy my protection and this way could be sure I'd might be able to protect someone worthy in the future. That's the only thing I can say in my defense.
Edit: Alright, since there is more time: I don't know how to prove my innocence to you, Sigurd, I may as well reveal, as the mafia will most probably target me next night:
I am the pro-town doctor that assisted TinCow, the cause for not appearing the last few rounds was that I've been very unlucky (or am very unskilled) with my choice of protection targets. Much too often I protected myself, because I did not know who was worthy my protection and this way could be sure I'd might be able to protect someone worthy in the future. That's the only thing I can say in my defense.
Joooray, if you are Garuda, then this should be easy. YLC cleared Double A and Andres as having no role. That leaves myself and Sigurd unaccounted for. I know I am not, because I'm not red, and I can't talk.
I guess we are in a predicament then... Apparently Joooray is the last pro-town. Psychonaut is claiming innocence and I am not the last killer.
Indeed we are. Joooray may not be the last pro-town. But, how sure are we of YLC's claims that Double A and Andres have no roles. Surely they may simply have not done anything that night, and thus YLC's block would be rendered useless? Plus the recruiter only appeared later on. Perhaps they could not use their ability until a set point in the game? That would put Andres and Double A back into suspicion.
But, how sure are we of YLC's claims that Double A and Andres have no roles. Surely they may simply have not done anything that night, and thus YLC's block would be rendered useless? Plus the recruiter only appeared later on. Perhaps they could not use their ability until a set point in the game? That would put Andres and Double A back into suspicion.
That's what I've been saying all along, but nobody listened to me. Now it will be decided amongst you two and I'm frankly not sure who to trust and who not at this point. One of you could be guilty, but if we are unlucky, you are indeed both innocent.
Gah. I shall reveal if this makes it any easier. I am Pegasus. CCRunner's steed. I was tasked to protect our vigilante, but now he is gone I am essentially a named townie. YLC must have stopped me protecting CCRunner one night, thus seeing I had a role. If I was anything more he would surely have come after me to be voted, as he did with those he blocked and found to be killers.
If Joooray can indeed protect himself, then there may be another day phase, if we do not get the Mafia today and he kills tonight, there will be 3 people left. Joooray, a townie and the Mafia. So my understanding he would not be able to win yet.
Regardless of role, Joooray is innocent for the same reason I am: he didn't do a last minute vote switch last round.
That leaves Double A, Psychonaut and Sigurd.
We have YLC's list. As TinCow pointed out, the recruitment of YLC was in the write-up. There have been no other write-ups of recruitments, so it's pretty safe to assume that YLC was the only recruit in this game. Idem dito goes for me, btw.
That leaves Sigurd and Psychonaut. Out of those two, Pscychonaut seems the most scummy one, for the reasons I stated above (post #1243).
Except I am pro-town. I'm a harmless winged pony, who likes nothing more than sugar cubes and apples. :shrug:
Andres, why are you going after me so relentlessly? Is it because you have now realised that if both Joooray and myself are still alive you will no longer out-number the town next round. I'm sure it has occurred to you that tonight you will now have to use your kill on one of us to stand a chance against the town.
Except I am pro-town. I'm a harmless winged pony, who likes nothing more than sugar cubes and apples. :shrug:
You claim to be a protector who can exclusively protect one player. And that one player got night killed...
It's not exactly convincing.
Andres, why are you going after me so relentlessly? Is it because you have now realised that if both Joooray and myself are still alive you will no longer out-number the town next round. I'm sure it has occurred to you that tonight you will now have to use your kill on one of us to stand a chance against the town.
No, it's because I think you're scum, for reasons stated before.
Your nonsensical role claim makes my suspicions even stronger.
Gah. The town has lost, there is no way I'm going to get you to realise I am pro-town. In fact you probably are trying to lynch me for that exact reason. I tried my hardest. Good luck Joooray. Well played Andres/Sigurd/both of you.
I have a feeling Choatix was correct to assume that both are Mafia.
Well, it will most probably either come down to a toss, or Double A shows up and make his choice. :shrug:
Gah. The town has lost, there is no way I'm going to get you to realise I am pro-town. In fact you probably are trying to lynch me for that exact reason. I tried my hardest. Good luck Joooray. Well played Andres/Sigurd/both of you.
I have a feeling Choatix was correct to assume that both are Mafia.
Scummy, scummier, scummiest.
The role you claim seals it for me, Pscychonaut. You won't fool me.
Chaotix, the man who claims he could have revived two players? The last one who claimed such a role was TinCow in Netherworld I. It didn't do town much good to believe that.
I urge all townies to vote Psychonaut.
Well, it will most probably either come down to a toss, or Double A shows up and make his choice. :shrug:
Or you could just change your vote to Psychonaut. Or do you have reasons to believe his role claim?
Gah. The town has lost, there is no way I'm going to get you to realise I am pro-town. In fact you probably are trying to lynch me for that exact reason. I tried my hardest. Good luck Joooray. Well played Andres/Sigurd/both of you.
I have a feeling Choatix was correct to assume that both are Mafia.
Well... you are wrong, at least on my part.
Personally, I think it is Joooray. And since there have been no new recruitment since YLC I doubt we are facing more than one killer.
But I am assuming here... The Mafia knows they have to mix lies with truth to play the psychology game with us as they have been doing the last rounds. The question is which are truths and which are lies.
I deduce that since the Mafia has been cracking hard on the YLC list of innocents, it could be the list is in fact genuine.
We have to make some assumptions to be able to filter out players.
Now we have two claims of pro-town roles in the very end game. Normally this should indicate that at least one is a fake.
We have the claimed innocents and the pro-town roles, which leaves only me ... a normal townie. The only thing I was sent by the host in this game was the information that the game had started.
We have a horse and a doctor who has been unlucky with his choice of protections.
Nice stalemate there guys... and yes Joooray is off the hook this round, as any of us as soon as we unvote, will break the tie.
Joooray is most definitely innocent...
Joooray is most definitely innocent...
How do you know for sure? Yes... Psychonaut is in trouble with his steed of CCRunner claim, who was a serial killer?.
I am just impressed with the voting deflection of Joooray, but that again can be attributed to his role and wanting to live another day to make a difference.
OR
He is the recruiter and have been doing other things these last nights.
How do you know for sure? Yes... Psychonaut is in trouble with his steed of CCRunner claim, who was a serial killer?.
He was a vigilante, with an obligation to kill or at least that's what he claimed. If he hadn't killed, he would have turned in some kind of tragedy when being lynched.
Or you could just change your vote to Psychonaut. Or do you have reasons to believe his role claim?
Locking at the above, I have little not to believe him, there are a few weird roles in this game. Why not a role that has to be killed first in order to kill the one he is protecting. :shrug:
The only weird thing is, that CCRunner was killed anyway, but that might be some kind of retaliation ability Beskar had because all of his children were killed.
He was a vigilante, with an obligation to kill or at least that's what he claimed. If he hadn't killed, he would have turned in some kind of tragedy when being lynched.
What's the difference between a "vigilante with the obligation to kill" and "a serial killer"?
Locking at the above, I have little not to believe him, there are a few weird roles in this game. Why not a role that has to be killed first in order to kill the one he is protecting. :shrug:
The only weird thing is, that CCRunner was killed anyway, but that might be some kind of retaliation ability Beskar had because all of his children were killed.
Exactly. Why adding a protector to a serial killer if that protector is unable to protect?
I'm not buying his role claim.
How do you know for sure?
Just look at the previous round. No mafioso would have taken that risk. Joooray could have easily switched his vote to me to avoid the lynch. Regardless of role claims and speculations or what not, that is a strong argument in favour of Joooray's innocence.
It has to be Psychonaut.
Joooray is innocent, but psychonaut's claim was just pure scum.
I am willing to accept the list's claim on Double A's innocence, as he hasn't really paid any attention to it.
I suspect Andres a lot, for his aggressive pressing of the list, even though it was given by a mafia, which just suggests his name was added on it, to make him look innocent.
Sigurd has been acting scummy for unknown reasons. Maybe he just felt like being scummy because he feels left out?
What's the difference between a "vigilante with the obligation to kill" and "a serial killer"?
I thought of a serial killer as a killer who could not choose the target freely, like in pirate ship mafia. But you are right, both are serial killers.
Exactly. Why adding a protector to a serial killer if that protector is unable to protect?
I'm not buying his role claim.
As I said, he might have been able to protect, but in this concrete situation this was overwritten by a revenge mechanism, the leader of the first mafia group, Lamia, had. I don't entirely believe his claim, I just don't want it to be brushed over without thinking about it.
Just look at the previous round. No mafioso would have taken that risk. Joooray could have easily switched his vote to me to avoid the lynch. Regardless of role claims and speculations or what not, that is a strong argument in favour of Joooray's innocence.
It has to be Psychonaut.
I just had a look at the messages TC send me during the night CCRunner was killed. YLC told TC back then that he will be using his ability (redirecting an order or something) on Psychonaut that night. Thus his claim he was unable to protect CCRunner might be true after all.
I just had a look at the messages TC send me during the night CCRunner was killed. YLC told TC back then that he will be using his ability (redirecting an order or something) on Psychonaut that night. Thus his claim he was unable to protect CCRunner might be true after all.
Assuming Psychonaut was able to protect CCRunner, how likely is it that a serial killer is pro-town?
In the Capo games, you have Lucas able to protect their Don. They also have the ability to kill.
I just had a look at the messages TC send me during the night CCRunner was killed. YLC told TC back then that he will be using his ability (redirecting an order or something) on Psychonaut that night. Thus his claim he was unable to protect CCRunner might be true after all.
Right... so this was a coordinated pro-town attack on the serial killer/Vigilante CCRunner?
You are either making the case look worse for yourself or undermining Psychonaut. Wanting to stay alive in the next round also it seems.
Wanting to stay alive in the next round also it seems.
That's not necessarily scummy behaviour. Certainly not when there are only 5 players left.
That's not necessarily scummy behaviour. Certainly not when there are only 5 players left.
What I meant was - He is trying to establish trust with the remainder players, so they won't lynch him in the next round.
His best chance is to lynch me this round and then blame all on Psychonaut in the next round. If he had stuck to his Psychonaut vote - he would have been in a tie.
Knowing that Double A might not be around to put the deciding vote - He opted for a different solution - a tie between myself and Psychonaut. Had I not created the tie, I would have been lynched already. But he needs a culprit in the next round as well... and Psychonaut is the perfect choice.
Assuming Psychonaut was able to protect CCRunner, how likely is it that a serial killer is pro-town?
In the Capo games, you have Lucas able to protect their Don. They also have the ability to kill.
He was neutral as far as I know and opted to work for TC. Of course there is always the possibility the protector turning evil after the death of his protégé, but that would imply a humanoid form of Pegasus that I'm not aware of. :shrug:
BTW: What is your basis for protecting Sigurd that vigorously? Is it really only based on passed gaming experiences with him? Because that is not much of case in his favor.
Knowing that Double A might not be around to put the deciding vote - He opted for a different solution - a tie between myself and Psychonaut. Had I not created the tie, I would have been lynched already. But he needs a culprit in the next round as well... and Psychonaut is the perfect choice.
Unfortunately I'm not that good a mafia player. :laugh4:
Right... so this was a coordinated pro-town attack on the serial killer/Vigilante CCRunner?
You are either making the case look worse for yourself or undermining Psychonaut. Wanting to stay alive in the next round also it seems.
At that point Atheotes, YLC and CCRunner had revealed to TC. Atheotes claimed to be a vigilante with task to kill Hades and being the only one able to kill him. TC suspected YLC to be Hades. CCRunner claimed to be the vigilante riding the horse that attacked him before, he assumed TC would be protect and thus choose him as a target. TC arranged the following: Atheotes would target YLC, CCRunner would target Atheotes and YLC would target Psychonaut, as there was some question about his, because there was no kill by the guy with the shield and the sword night one when TC blocked Psychonaut. But this was due to CCRunner being on holiday during the first few turn.
Looking at this setup, Psycho might indeed been unable to protect CCRunner that night.
Just a quick question to Psychonaut: What's the name of the person riding you? Surely you have been told his name in your role PM.
CCRunner was Bellerophon.
Unfortunately I'm not that good a mafia player. :laugh4:
You could have fooled me...
At that point Atheotes, YLC and CCRunner had revealed to TC. Atheotes claimed to be a vigilante with task to kill Hades and being the only one able to kill him. TC suspected YLC to be Hades. CCRunner claimed to be the vigilante riding the horse that attacked him before, he assumed TC would be protect and thus choose him as a target. TC arranged the following: Atheotes would target YLC, CCRunner would target Atheotes and YLC would target Psychonaut, as there was some question about his, because there was no kill by the guy with the shield and the sword night one when TC blocked Psychonaut. But this was due to CCRunner being on holiday during the first few turn.
I thought WE:D was killed by a man with a sword and shield in round 1? ...
checking... Yes a player with a lance and a shield. Discarding the lance and opted for a sword to do the actual kill.
I don't know... You seem to have been in the loop (informed minority).
At that point Atheotes, YLC and CCRunner had revealed to TC. Atheotes claimed to be a vigilante with task to kill Hades and being the only one able to kill him. TC suspected YLC to be Hades. CCRunner claimed to be the vigilante riding the horse that attacked him before, he assumed TC would be protect and thus choose him as a target. TC arranged the following: Atheotes would target YLC, CCRunner would target Atheotes and YLC would target Psychonaut, as there was some question about his, because there was no kill by the guy with the shield and the sword night one when TC blocked Psychonaut. But this was due to CCRunner being on holiday during the first few turn.
Looking at this setup, Psycho might indeed been unable to protect CCRunner that night.
:yes:
BTW: What is your basis for protecting Sigurd that vigorously? Is it really only based on passed gaming experiences with him? Because that is not much of case in his favor.
Because Psychonaut seems a better lynch.
Then again, it bothers me that he doesn't seem willing to let you go while it's pretty obvious you're innocent.
If it weren't for Psychonaut ridiculous role claim, I would switch my vote to Sigurd.
Was CCRunner pro-town or a serial killer (other mafia family?)
Am I right in thinking that this round is over and we're just waiting on a 'khaan write-up?
Not being able to talk freely is killing me... this has been a good end game. :bow:
I thought WE:D was killed by a man with a sword and shield in round 1? ...
checking... Yes a player with a lance and a shield. Discarding the lance and opted for a sword to do the actual kill.
I don't know... You seem to have been in the loop (informed minority).
That is true, but I can only repeat what CCRunner told TC via PM. I think it was suspected, that the W_E was killed by the person that later continued killing with the help of dead players.
Am I right in thinking that this round is over and we're just waiting on a 'khaan write-up?
Not being able to talk freely is killing me... this has been a good end game. :bow:
I'm not so sure, 'khaan has waited for a decisive vote being cast before. :shrug:
Was CCRunner pro-town or a serial killer (other mafia family?)
As I said, as far as I know he was a sk/neutral and opted to work with TC because he didn't want to kill innocent people. Before revealing to TC he was, as I said, gone for a few rounds and then targeted Diamondeye, as he was the second highest in the lynch vote, but the order was redirected. Then he targeted TC because he assumed he would be protected as TC revealed his role and then killed Diamondeye, again because he had the second most vote during the lynch.
Am I right in thinking that this round is over and we're just waiting on a 'khaan write-up?
Not being able to talk freely is killing me... this has been a good end game. :bow:
I think it is a tie, so whoever breaks the tie ends the round.
That's why I'm very interested in CCRunners' allignment.
From what I understand, Pscyhonaut was the partner of a serial killer (or part of another mafia family).
Sigurd is starting to sound scummy, but Psychonaut behaved scummy AND he has the "partner of a killer" thingy pleading against him.
That is true, but I can only repeat what CCRunner told TC via PM. I think it was suspected, that the W_E was killed by the person that later continued killing with the help of dead players.
I'm pretty sure it's entirely legal for you to post any PM I sent you.
I'm pretty sure it's entirely legal for you to post any PM I sent you.
Alright then:
Here are a couple confessions for you to store for emergencies. I don't anticipate any, but just to be sure.
I am the vigilante riding the white horse. I'm Bellerephron actually, not perseus but the idea is the same. I'm actually a vigilante with a twist however-- there are a limited number of nights which I can elect to not kill before going insane and murdering quite a few people along with myself. Plus each night I don't kill adds a 20% chance of me being a bomb if I'm lynched so yeah, that's why I'm active at night.
So yeah, basically here's my kill explanations:
First couple of nights I was skiing so no kills.
I targeted DE for being the second highest vote getter but it was somehow redirected.
I targeted you-- It was right after you revealed so I figured you'd be protected for the night thus eliminating the insane thing while still not killing anyone.
I obviously just killed DE-- He was the second place vote getter.
I think that's all of them? For the record, failed attempts don't count as me not killing so there is no danger of me going insane if that's the route you wish to take. I just have to send in a kill order. Not sure about roleblocking but I'd assume it works the same
CCRunner has confirmed he is killing atheotes, atheotes has confirmed he is attacking (and hopefully killing) YLC, and YLC is using his thing on Psychonaut for this reason:
I just realized something... Lamia did not appear on N1. On N1, I blocked Psychonaut. Psychonaut abandoned the bandwagon on Chaotix when it looked like Sasaki was getting some traction, but then switched back to Chaotix when it became obvious he would be lynched. He also did not vote for Sasaki until very late in the game. That behavior would make sense if he was their partner.
I'd like to suggest that he be your target tonight. If we see Lamia in your illusion, we'll have ID our last mafioso.
How interesting - after you revealed your targets, the following night I was tempted to go and check back on them. If Psychonaut is Lamia, then we will have won the game - I'll do it.
For my part, I'm blocking Sigurd. I need CCRunner, atheotes, YLC, and Psychonaut all free to do their actions, so I can't pick someone who's a known suspect. Sigurd was a random choice. Let's hope this thing works right, because after tonight I'm going to have a lot of explaining to do, regardless of how it turns out. :sweatdrop:
I only follow the combination of gut and logic.
Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame :beam: ).
Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.
I don't know if I should cry or laugh... :mean:
I only follow the combination of gut and logic.
Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame :beam: ).
Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.
I don't know if I should cry or laugh... :mean:
There just seriously NO way you can seriously assume THAT from the way the game went. :no:
It rather seems to me, someone is out of arguments. :shrug:
There just seriously NO way you can seriously assume THAT from the way the game went. :no:
It rather seems to me, someone is out of arguments. :shrug:
Well... CCRunner obviously lied about not killing in the first round - and the PM came from TinCow. This does enforce this suspicion.
Were you and TinCow on the same team from the onset? Like CCRunner and Psychonaut?
And which round did TinCow block me?
Why wasn't Psychonaut in your "pro-town" group?
I only follow the combination of gut and logic.
Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame :beam: ).
Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.
I don't know if I should cry or laugh... :mean:
Or maybe Psychonaut is YOUR partner, hm?
I don't see how you could possibly maintain that Joooray has to be guilty.
I just realized that my policy of posting everything important I had in the thread was actually useful... I posted most of my conversation with CCRunner here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124738-Netherworld-II-%28IN-PLAY%29&p=2416555&viewfull=1#post2416555) at the very bottom. That discusses the issue about him not being the N1 spear killer. Compare the N1 kill with the other descriptions of Bellerophon... there seem to be differences which would stand up with his story. Since the search feature is disabled, I'll also say that before the forums were upgraded I checked CCRunner's posts, and he was indeed silent across the forum for a few days including the beginning rounds of this game. That fits with him being away skiing.
Or maybe Psychonaut is YOUR partner, hm?
I don't see how you could possibly maintain that Joooray has to be guilty.
That would make me ... what?
The pink pony with fluffy rainbow mane and tail and stars painted on my :daisy: and would put me smack in the middle of the CCRunner - Psychonaut group?
I think not...
Well... CCRunner obviously lied about not killing in the first round
Actually. CCRunner was out of town. You'll notice that he didn't participate in the first round.
Tally:
Seon 6 (Yaro, Captain C, Sasaki, Chaotix, ATPG, GH)
GH 5 (YLC, Diamondeye, Winston Hughes, Scienter, Thermal)
Winston Hughes 3 (Johnhughthom, CDF, Beefy)
Tincow 3 (splitpersonality, pevergreen, A1Unit)
Diamondeye 2 (Beskar, Jooray)
Sasaki 2 (Andres, Kralizec)
Beskar 1 (Winston Hughes)
Csargo 1 (Sprig)
ATPG 1 (Seon)
Jooray 1 (Scottishranger)
YLC 1 (Tincow)
Double A 1 (Peasant Phill)
Yaro 1 (Sigurd)
Scienter 1 (CB)
Captain C 1 (Atheotes)
Split 1 (acin)
No CCRunner.
Actually. CCRunner was out of town. You'll notice that he didn't participate in the first round.
No CCRunner.
That is not evidence ... He chose not to vote that round.
Do you deny the fact that White_eyes:D was killed by someone who appeared to be CCRunner on night 1? (The sword and shield should be a clue)
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 15:34
I'm going to give another five hours from now to have the tie broken. I'm not going to wait forever on Double A. If the tie still stands, well, it'll be a surprise.
I bet everyone will have a chuckle at my voting pattern. :laugh4:
Do you deny the fact that White_eyes:D was killed by someone who appeared to be CCRunner on night 1? (The sword and shield should be a clue)
The lack of a horse is also a clue. The N1 spear guy isn't CCRunner.
I just realized that my policy of posting everything important I had in the thread was actually useful... I posted most of my conversation with CCRunner here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124738-Netherworld-II-%28IN-PLAY%29&p=2416555&viewfull=1#post2416555) at the very bottom. That discusses the issue about him not being the N1 spear killer. Compare the N1 kill with the other descriptions of Bellerophon... there seem to be differences which would stand up with his story. Since the search feature is disabled, I'll also say that before the forums were upgraded I checked CCRunner's posts, and he was indeed silent across the forum for a few days including the beginning rounds of this game. That fits with him being away skiing.
I didn't see that post... hmmm.
You know, I have a very hard time trusting you as you are capable of forging anything.
Last time we played Netherworld, you were the new player - and tricked both Kommodus and I in the very last round. I don't think any of us has quite recovered from that.
So it could be anyone actually...
Were you and TinCow on the same team from the onset? Like CCRunner and Psychonaut?
And which round did TinCow block me?
Why wasn't Psychonaut in your "pro-town" group?
1. No, I revealed my role to him after he revealed his inside the thread.
2. The night Atheotes and CCRunner died, N6 that is.
3. I was not aware of any role Psycho had before he revealed recently, neither was TC, as far as I know. He couldn't have helped anyway, since his ability was limited to CCRunner apparently.
3. I was not aware of any role Psycho had before he revealed recently, neither was TC, as far as I know. He couldn't have helped anyway, since his ability was limited to CCRunner apparently.
Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?
Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?
True, but if I were him I'd also keep that a secret as it could be my last resort after all. Also, as far as I know, TC was not in contact that long, so he might have been unsure about TC. Finally he might have suspected TC of sending someone after him as he was kind of a dangerous character and kept it secret as a precaution.
As I said, I'm still not entirely sure about Psychos claim, but it all adds up for me at the moment, you on the other hand get more scummy from post to post and I'd like Andres to reconsider his vote.
True, but if I were him I'd also keep that a secret as it could be my last resort after all. Also, as far as I know, TC was not in contact that long, so he might have been unsure about TC. Finally he might have suspected TC of sending someone after him as he was kind of a dangerous character and kept it secret as a precaution.
As I said, I'm still not entirely sure about Psychos claim, but it all adds up for me at the moment, you on the other hand get more scummy from post to post and I'd like Andres to reconsider his vote.
Yeah sure.. I am getting scummier for gathering intel. Intel you have sat on for a long time but not shared.
TinCow's post references the name Bellerephron.
If I were to create a role and did a little research, I too could have answered your question about the name of whom I served.
The persecution rests.
Double A should end this,
OR better - let's see which surprise 'khaan has in store for us.
If both Psycho and I are lynched - that means the killer wins, right? if he is not Psycho that is.
Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?
Two reason's:
- We felt that as TinCow was a female mythological figure, there was the off-chance that he was actually Lamia.
- My role is limited to protecting him. I have no ulterior motives.
If both Psycho and I are lynched - that means the killer wins, right? if he is not Psycho that is.
Not necessarily. If we are both who we say we are. So there will be Andres, Joooray and Double A left. I think as Joooray is pro-town the Mafia will not have a winning ratio. And there could yet be one more day phase, depending on if the Mafia successfully kills one of them during the night. As Joooray can protect himself or the townie, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But, that's just speculation.
Yeah sure.. I am getting scummier for gathering intel. Intel you have sat on for a long time but not shared.
Yeah sure, I go around trumping all those things to make myself a target, also the topic didn't come up so far and thus it was now the right time to reveal these informations, not before.
And it's not that you do, but the way you do it.
TinCow's post references the name Bellerephron.
If I were to create a role and did a little research, I too could have answered your question about the name of whom I served.
Well, in the thread it was speculated that the rider was Perseus. The actual name was, to my knowledge, only stated in this PM. Thus, I figure him knowing the actual role is at least some evidence to support his claim.
atheotes
02-08-2010, 17:03
At that point Atheotes, YLC and CCRunner had revealed to TC. Atheotes claimed to be a vigilante with task to kill Hades and being the only one able to kill him. TC suspected YLC to be Hades. CCRunner claimed to be the vigilante riding the horse that attacked him before, he assumed TC would be protect and thus choose him as a target. TC arranged the following: Atheotes would target YLC, CCRunner would target Atheotes and YLC would target Psychonaut, as there was some question about his, because there was no kill by the guy with the shield and the sword night one when TC blocked Psychonaut. But this was due to CCRunner being on holiday during the first few turn.
Looking at this setup, Psycho might indeed been unable to protect CCRunner that night.
:yes:
In that case you will have to think about why YLC targeted Scienter instead of Psychonaut
i too would like to see the town since i dont like emergent mafia. :furious3:
Edit: nevermind...YLC's passive abilit of being immune to nightkill was the reason Scienter was killed. the fact that YLC redirected psychonaut's protection onto himself meant CCRunner was not protected... I am surprise why CCRunner did reveal Psychonaut to TC :book: :sweatdrop: hope i got it right this time.
Not necessarily. If we are both who we say we are. So there will be Andres, Joooray and Double A left. I think as Joooray is pro-town the Mafia will not have a winning ratio. And there could yet be one more day phase, depending on if the Mafia successfully kills one of them during the night. As Joooray can protect himself or the townie, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But, that's just speculation.
Well...
If Joooray is who he say he is - then the killer will kill him, which leaves only two players left... Traditionally this gives the victory to the remaining mafia.
I'm willing to risk this surprise. You suspect me, and I suspect you. There's a 2/4 chance it's either one of us. 50/50 are odds I'm willing to gamble on.
If it's neither of us, Andres can reflect on a game well played.
In that case you will have to think about why YLC targeted Scienter instead of Psychonaut :book:
You need to re-read that phase's discussion. Scienter died as a result of your attack on YLC. YLC did not pick who the attacks got deflected on, he only picked the person whose action would be deflected. As was clearly discussed after that phase, you attacked YLC which resulted in a deflection killing Scienter.
I never seen Scienter around since then. TinCow as well :cry: Curse you YLC!!!!
All 3 of them never signed up to my game. :P
atheotes
02-08-2010, 18:55
You need to re-read that phase's discussion. Scienter died as a result of your attack on YLC. YLC did not pick who the attacks got deflected on, he only picked the person whose action would be deflected. As was clearly discussed after that phase, you attacked YLC which resulted in a deflection killing Scienter.
yes... looks like you responded when i was editing my post.
I'm willing to risk this surprise. You suspect me, and I suspect you. There's a 2/4 chance it's either one of us. 50/50 are odds I'm willing to gamble on.
If it's neither of us, Andres can reflect on a game well played.
Yes this should be interesting... All though lynching both of us wouldn't be much of a surprise, or letting random org decide for that matter. We expect something spectacular 'khaan.
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2010, 20:01
There are too many moderators playing this game. You all look alike. :wall: :laugh4:
There are too many moderators playing this game. You all look alike. :wall: :laugh4:
Yeah, those stupid mods. :no:
But for me worst than getting confused because of the avatars is, I automatically assume you are all in cahoots with each other. :embarassed: It's at least often the first thought that comes to my mind. :idea2:
There are too many moderators playing this game. You all look alike. :wall: :laugh4:
Look who's talking ~;p
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 21:05
Ok, give me a second, just got off work. Vote is officially tied and I won't be accepting any changes from here on. I'll be announcing the tie-break here shortly. Hopefully.
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 21:41
Governor-General Yasei returned to his hall to find his entourage had shrunk even further. Discussion started at a murmur, but quickly turned into a raging fire. Four of the remaining five quickly turned the debate into a siege, with the deciding vote being left to Double A. Both sides desperately clamored to him that the other were the last vestiges of the great evil besetting the camp, but he seemed much more preoccupied with sleep for the time being. Even when rocks were thrown, his body merely rolled to the other side. Exasperated after an extended period, Yasei called the debate to a halt, and requested that both Sigurd and Psychonaut, the two being accused, to come before him.
"It seems we are at a stand still. None will budge, be it their opinion, or their sleep schedule." Yasei took a moment to glare daggers at Double A before continuing. "Therefore, I have devised a test for the two of you. One shall live, and the other perish." Yasei put two fingers to his mouth and let out a loud whistle. A door far to Yasei's left opened, and a soft patting could be heard. Out came, leashed by one of Yasei's personal guards, a medium sized cat. It was short haired, tan like a lion, with a long tail. However, instead of a feline jaw, a human head sat, scanning its new environment. On its back, a small pair of brilliant, multicolored wings protruded, though they looked too small to carry the creature for flight. It slunk its way next to Yasei, standing only a foot or so shorter than him.
"Gentleman, this is my pet, and companion. It is she who shall determine which of you shall be condemned. She rather likes riddles. Answer well, and all will be well. Answer unwell, and... you get the idea. The first of you to answer a riddle incorrectly will be executed. And if you both fail, on the same question, I'll simply have both your heads. Of course, I must insist that you be asked in seperate rooms to prevent cheating. Understand?" Both nodded. "Now, my dear," Yasei queried. "Which question do you wish to ask them first?
"I know no borders or boundaries. The weak despise me, while the powerful embrace me. I have felled the strongest empires without swinging a blade. What am I?"
SIGURD AND PSYCHONAUT, PLEASE SEND ME YOUR RESPECTIVE ANSWERS VIA PM
Also, NO HELPING THE PARTICIPANTS
Lastly, I'm giving 12 hours to answer
Great tie breaker idea! :yes:
Still think the mafia is Andres though.
Great tie breaker idea! :yes:
Oh yeah, wouldn't want to be in their shoes now though. I suck at riddles. :laugh4:
atheotes
02-08-2010, 22:43
interesting... what will happen if they both send in correct or wrong answer?
interesting... what will happen if they both send in correct or wrong answer?
The write up says they will both be killed if they are both wrong, I assume in case both are right, the both get to live. :shrug:
Ah.. but this is not fair. Giving a 12 hour limit at my night time. I might as well forfeit.
seireikhaan
02-08-2010, 23:28
Ah.. but this is not fair. Giving a 12 hour limit at my night time. I might as well forfeit.
Very well, I'll extend it another 12 hours, if you would like.
edit: also, as a hint to both, don't bother trying to look up the riddle- I made this one myself.
Very well, I'll extend it another 12 hours, if you would like.
edit: also, as a hint to both, don't bother trying to look up the riddle- I made this one myself.
No you never, I remember it from a film.. or was it a book? Either way, I am interested to know if it is the answer I am thinking of.
Or were you just bluffing? Doh.
Double A
02-09-2010, 00:39
I think I figured out the riddle.
Sorry for not being on, I was playing Mass Effect 2. I probably would have voted Psycho though.
Alright... I have sent in my answer.
Sorry for not being on, I was playing Mass Effect 2. I probably would have voted Psycho though.
You know - this could have cost us the game.:whip: BAD BOY!!! :clown:
seireikhaan
02-09-2010, 15:43
Alrighty, I've got the answers.
You'll know the results after class/work/class, which will take around 7 hours. :book:
Alrighty, I've got the answers.
You'll know the results after class/work/class, which will take around 7 hours. :book:
Where's the :strangle 'khaan: smiley :mean:
seireikhaan
02-09-2010, 15:50
Where's the :strangle 'khaan: smiley :mean:
Hey, good news, my ethics prof canceled class for weather/health/laziness related reasons, so y'all will get the results in around 5 instead. :book:
Hey, good news, my ethics prof canceled class for weather/health/laziness related reasons, so y'all will get the results in around 5 instead. :book:
Real men skip all classes and still obtain that master degree :snobby:
Diamondeye
02-09-2010, 17:06
Hey, good news, my ethics prof canceled class for weather/health/laziness related reasons, so y'all will get the results in around 5 instead. :book:
This post is 1337.
Apologies. I am as excited as you others :yes:
seireikhaan
02-09-2010, 20:51
Real men skip all classes and still obtain that master degree :snobby:
Aww, you knew I was going for a masters degree? :blush:
Ok, done with earning my meager paycheck, starting the writeup.
seireikhaan
02-09-2010, 21:53
Yasei returned roughly an hour later to the main hall, with Psychonaut, Sigurd, and his pet in tow. Both were very quiet as they were led. Yasei climbed atop the stone dais in the hall, with his sphinx soon following. The two stood for a few seconds, staring down on the other two, before Yasei addressed them. "Sigurd, Psychonaut... you both gave an answer to my pet's riddle. You gave different responses..."
"Psychonaut, in response to her riddle, you answered Decadence. My dear, is that the answer you sought?" The sphinx, laying at Yasei's feet now, slowly shook her head. Psychonaut's face drained in color- he knew what would soon follow. Two guards were immediately at his side. One kicked him in the back of his knee, forcing him to the ground in a kneeling position. The two held him down for the time being.
"Sigurd, in response to her riddle, you answered Fear. My dear, is that the answer you sought?" Once again, the sphinx shook her head. Two guards rushed to Sigurd's side, who, predicting a similar event as Psychonaut's, immediately knelt to the ground. "My dear, would you care to divulge the answer to your riddle?" The sphinx clambered to its feet, tilting its head for a moment.
"I suppose no harm could come at this time. '
'I know no borders or boundaries. The weak despise me, while the powerful embrace me. I have felled the strongest empires without swinging a blade. What am I?'
I am corruption. No being is immune to me. The interests of the self always end up outweighing the interests of all else. All men, all gods, all demons, are subject to me. The weak despise me, because they lack the power to protect against the corruption of the powerful. None can truly withstand power's corrupting influence, only resist it to varying degrees. Thus, the powerful inevitably accept my embrace, and the weak suffer what they must. Until the time comes when I have sapped the very life from the powerful, and their influence collapses amidst a ruin of chaos. It was the corruption of kamikhaan that brought him to attack the world of humans. And thus I brought an end to his empire, to be replaced by another.
Psychonaut and Sigurd remained silent after the sphinx finished. "It seems you were both just a bit off," Yasei remarked. "Nonetheless, she has rejected both your answers. And so the both of you shall meet your fate." He nodded to the guards pinning Psychonaut to the ground, then leaped from the dais. Sword in both hands, his feet firmly planted, he brought a swift, overhand blow to sever Psychonaut's head in one, clean blow. He turned around to face Sigurd, who still was knelt before him. He arced the sword for one more blow. It carved down through Sigurd's skull, splitting it down to the neck before halting. With a sigh, Yasei turned to the remaining camp.
"Is that all? Is that the extent of what you can do to me? Do you really think you can vanquish me with a single strike?" Yasei spun around on the spot. Sigurd's head, still halved, was beginning to sew itself together. "Even if you destroy this form, you cannot destroy me!" Sigurd's bloody face grinned maniacally, sharp teeth glinting under the coat of red. Yasei immediately brought the sword down once more, slicing Sigurd from left shoulder to right thigh. The body began sliding apart, but gripped together once more. "YOU'RE PATHETIC. YOU FOOLS WILL DESTROY ALL THAT EXISTS IN THIS PETTY GAME!" Sigurd boomed. "YOU AND THE NETHERWORLD, YOU THREATEN EVERYTHING WITH PETTY SQUABBLES. KNEEL BEFORE ME, AND THE PLANES OF EXISTENCE WILL FINALLY HAVE PEACE. THERE SHALL BE ONE TO RULE ALL, AND IT SHALL BE ME!"
A pair of wings sprouted from Sigurd's back, his skin turned blacker than a starless night, his eyes shimmering ruby red. Yasei thrust the blade into Sigurd's chest, just left of center. Yasei's hand glowed blue once more, and the flames from his palms traveled the blade into Sigurd's chest. They snaked into wounds and spread across his body like it was grass. Sigurd howled in pain. A light began to emit from his body, a crimson red. It shattered through skin in a brilliant show. The body crackled and collapsed. Sigurd had enough awareness left to examine his left hand as it vaporized into the crimson light.
Sigurd looked back to Yasei. "Not as weak as we look, are we?" he scowled. "But.... if you think you are finished with me for good, you are sadly mistaken. The scowl vanished under a grin once more. "Because... MY POWER GOES ON!" With his last proclamation, Sigurd's physical from completely withered into pure light. A brilliant, blinding flash stunned the room. When it had passed, the light was gone....
Alive: 3
Andres
Double A
Joooray
Slain: 22
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)
pevergreen (N10)
Lynched: 12
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)
johnhughthom (D10)
Psychonaut (D11)
Sigurd (D11)
Wrath of Khaan: 3
Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)
I told you Sigurd was acting scummy. :no: I saw right through it.
I told you Sigurd was acting scummy. :no: I saw right through it.
Well... I knew you were scum since night 2.
Well... I knew you were scum since night 2.
Thanks for validating my "That is the Mafia's investigation list". :thumbsup:
Joooray was right and I was wrong.
Shouldn't the game end now, btw?
Thanks for validating my "That is the Mafia's investigation list". :thumbsup:
Oh yes.. it was genuine though. YLC was not supposed to put it out there.
I was destroyed by a kid opting to play Mass Effect 2 instead of spending a few minutes putting in a vote. He even admitted he would have voted Psychonaut. :wall:
Good game all - it is always fun to manipulate... I hope I could have gotten Joooray lynched next round.
Oh yes.. it was genuine though. YLC was not supposed to put it out there.
I wish he didn't either, as you would have gotten lynched and I would be alive instead.
The reason the game hasn't ended, is because not even who needs to be dead, is dead. As it is 3 people, it will a toss-up between the doctor Joooray, the townie Double A, and the Mafia Andres.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2010, 22:59
I've been saying it for 8 rounds now...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2010, 23:00
I wish he didn't either, as you would have gotten lynched and I would be alive instead.
The reason the game hasn't ended, is because not even who needs to be dead, is dead. As it is 3 people, it will a toss-up between the doctor Joooray, the townie Double A, and the Mafia Andres.
If andres is mafia, then jooray needs to flip a coin. Heads he protects double A, tails he protects himself. That gives him a 50% chance to block andres's kill. No way double a is mafia, missing the vote.
Or the game could be over and we just don't know it.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2010, 23:06
I've been saying it for 8 rounds now...
It's been very tough for me not to say anything. Very frustrating to watch you try and try and get ignored.
PS- Sigurd, you played an excellent game. I was watching with great interest.
Sigurd looked back to Yasei. "Not as weak as we look, are we?" he scowled. "But.... if you think you are finished with me for good, you are sadly mistaken. The scowl vanished under a grin once more. "Because... MY POWER GOES ON!" With his last proclamation, Sigurd's physical from completely withered into pure light. A brilliant, blinding flash stunned the room. When it had passed, the light was gone....
One down, one to go? I'm very confused if that was it or are we actually really looking for another alive mafia? The last paragraph could after all also hint at another instalment of the setting. :shrug:
Anyway, I'm happy I was right about Sigurd. :grin:
Gah! So close on the riddle. I was thinking along those lines, but I couldn't think what exactly 'khaan was looking for.
Well played Sigurd, like I said, agreeable, yet with enough initiative to not tweak too much of the spotlight.
Double A
02-10-2010, 05:04
I knew Andres was mafia...
Uh anyway... this is my second last post tonight. Hope I don't die, this would mark the first game where I won and didn't actually do anything.
I knew Andres was mafia...
I didn't.
I didn't.
Why were you bulldogging the results from a mafia to protect Sigurd (a mafia) who also kept defending you.
Why were you bulldogging the results from a mafia to protect Sigurd (a mafia) who also kept defending you.
Why does it matter? The game is over one way or another. If the last mafioso died in the lynching, the game is over. If there is still a mafioso alive, he will kill tonight, which will result in 1 townie and 1 mafioso alive tomorrow, which is a mafia victory.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2010, 19:10
Why does it matter? The game is over one way or another. If the last mafioso died in the lynching, the game is over. If there is still a mafioso alive, he will kill tonight, which will result in 1 townie and 1 mafioso alive tomorrow, which is a mafia victory.
Nono!
I already said this. Joooray can self protect, so he should flip a coin. Heads he protects himself, tails he protects double A. This gives us a 50% chance if andres is mafia.
Why does it matter? The game is over one way or another. If the last mafioso died in the lynching, the game is over. If there is still a mafioso alive, he will kill tonight, which will result in 1 townie and 1 mafioso alive tomorrow, which is a mafia victory.
Apparently, some still think I'm scum.
Maybe evil 'khaan is teasing us and wants to see how two townies lynch another townie in an unneeded day phase, just for giggles.
pevergreen
02-10-2010, 23:38
I think that will happen, but khaan will stop it in his character, to make him look more impressive.
I think that will happen, but khaan will stop it in his character, to make him look more impressive.
Either that or Andres is indeed scum OR Sigurd's evilness has taken over another random body, but that would be just mean at this point. :embarassed:
Just to be sure I of course submitted my orders for the night. :wink:
Nono!
I already said this. Joooray can self protect, so he should flip a coin. Heads he protects himself, tails he protects double A. This gives us a 50% chance if andres is mafia.
Why do you think Joooray can self protect? That's not a typical option for doctors.
Why do you think Joooray can self protect? That's not a typical option for doctors.
Let's just say that's a little something special Yasei granted me to balance the game.
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 05:27
The Governor-General had a surprisingly busy off session. He spent much of it writing a letter, to be carried back to the World of Gods, as a safeguard. The previous lynching had shaken him a bit, and he realized more than ever that other gods needed to be aware of everything important that had occurred, and to express a desire for more reinforcements. He sent the messenger and guard off just a few minutes before he usually settled himself into the main hall. He readied for the worst, his sword at his belt, muscles tense for action.
T'was an odd and eery moment. Yasei standing alert on the dais, saw Andres, Joooray, and Double A enter the hall at the same time, from different directions. All three seemed rigid in their walk, but kept a fairly brisk pace. They gathered around the dais, Yasei before them. They each looked at the other for nearly a minute.... They all returned. The realization was sinking in... none had vanished, no new surge of power had emerged, nothing.... They had done it. After a minute, Yasei breathed a sigh of relief. He held his head skyward. “Thanks be, Elder. It is finished.”
Alive: 3
Andres
Double A
Joooray
Slain: 22
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)
pevergreen (N10)
Lynched: 12
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)
johnhughthom (D10)
Psychonaut (D11)
Sigurd (D11)
Wrath of Khaan: 3
Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)
NOOooOOOoooOOOooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
Retcon and give Andres a Mafia-role. He had me absolutely convinced.
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 05:58
Yasei's gaze remained aimless at the ceiling. The blood returned to his head finally, and the tension he felt for days had ceased. Double A sat himself down, back against the dais. Joooray's face remained blank. And on the face of Andres, a grin could not help but escape.
“I told you... my power cannot DIE!'
Joooray fell limp to the ground. A staff materialized in Andres' right hand, and he motioned to it forward. Joooray's body flew across the room, colliding with Yasei's chest before he knew what was happening. Andres sprinted around the dais, pointing the staff from a three foot range from Double A. Frayed, crimson red light burst from the tip. Each individual beam singed him. Andres swung like a sword, the light flaying Double A in seconds. Yasei had recovered atop the dais from ambushed by a flying corpse. The two glared at each other for a few seconds. Andres' eyes continued to shine a brighter, more piercing red. His skin blackened 'till it voided of color and large wings burst from his back, propelling him a few feet into the air to stare his adversary face to face. Yasei drew his brilliant white sword and readied.
“I HAVE ALREADY INFORMED YOU! MY POWER CANNOT DIE! I SHALL RULE, IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER! I CANNOT PERISH! THE WORLDS SHALL ALL KNEEL BEFORE ME. THERE WILL BE PEACE AND COOPERATION! YASEI, YOU NEEDN'T CONTINUE THIS FARCE. IF YOU FIGHT ME, YOU SHALL BE OBLITERATED. JOIN ME.... I REWARD MY LOYAL FOLLOWERS WELL, AND YOU SHALL HAVE HIGH RANK IN THE GREAT EMPIRE! I WILL MAKE YOU CHAMPION OF THE GODLY REALM!"
Andres gestured to the gutted encampment.
“IS THIS WHAT YOU DESIRE? DEATH, DESTRUCTION, RISKING ALL THAT EXISTS IN THIS POINTLESS SQUABBLE? IF THE PLANES OF EXISTANCE ARE WROUGHT INTO ONE, THERE SHALL BE NONE! THERE WILL BE PROSPERITY FOR ALL! THERE SHALL BE NO DEMON, OR GOD, OR MAN. ALL WILL BE MY.... CHILDREN. I WILL TREASURE THE STRONG AND LOYAL AS THOUGH THEY WERE A FIRST BORN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY BE. THE WEAK AND DISLOYAL SHALL BE ERADICATED, AND THERE WILL BE A PERFECT, SINGLE WORLD. JOIN ME, HELP ME MAKE THIS A REALITY. ONLY I, ANGRA MAINYU, POSSESS THE WILL AND STRENGTH TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN! YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE!”
Yasei stood still for a moment. Gone.... they were all gone. The entire camp, destroyed. Under his watch. Even if he succeeded in slaying... whatever it was that Andres had become, he would be stripped of his title and rank, and be openly shamed. That assumed he wasn't destroyed in the fight, of course... And what of after this debacle? Open war was declared! For the first time, Yasei truly pondered the consequences of open war between gods and demon. None could truly emerge from that victorious. And what of the world of humans?
Yasei sheathed his sword. “Very well... My Lord,” Yasei stepped from the dais, and knelt before Andres. “I accept you as my liege. I will do whatever you request of me, and I will help you in unifying the three worlds.”
Andres rested a clawed hand on Yasei's shoulder. “Most excellent... I am glad you have seen to reason....”
ANGRA MAINYU VICTORY! CONGRATULATIONS TO ANDRES AND SIGURD!
Alive: 1
Andres
Slain: 22
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)
pevergreen (N10)
Joooray (N11)
Double A (D12)
Lynched: 12
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)
johnhughthom (D10)
Psychonaut (D11)
Sigurd (D11)
Wrath of Khaan: 3
Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)
Gah. The town has lost, there is no way I'm going to get you to realise I am pro-town. In fact you probably are trying to lynch me for that exact reason. I tried my hardest. Good luck Joooray. Well played Andres/Sigurd/both of you.
I have a feeling Choatix was correct to assume that both are Mafia.
Gah! I knew it.
Ah well. We got close CCRunner. So very close. I don't think there has ever been a SK victory. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Well played Andres and Sigurd. It finally clicked for me, but a few rounds too late.
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 06:03
Starting Roles:
Mafia
Yama- Diamondeye
Echidna- Beskar
Nergal- White Eyes
Set- Atheotes
Pro-town roles
Hortulanes the Lost Alchemist- Chaotix
Ankou- Captain Blackadder
Ares, God of War- Yaropolk
Garuda- Jooray
Nyx, Goddess of Sleep- TinCow
Independent/3rd party roles
Illusion Demon- YLC
Bellerophon- CCRunner
Pegasus- Psychonaut
Angra Mainyu- Sigurd
More explanation on the way... maybe tonight, most likely tomorrow. Got a LOT to explain...
I told you Andres was the Mafia!!! You should have listened to me, or allowed me to kill him. :no:
Also, you latest post confirmed what I thought. You really underpowered the mafia.
There were 4 of us, however, only 2 of us could kill at anytime. Then you stuck in a town of pro-town roles, vigs, etc.
It got worse when White_Eyes:D was killed Night Zero, Diamondeyes was later killed, then atheotes exposed by YLC.
Also, here was our quicktopic.
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/xtqzAqra7RuN
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2010, 06:08
Ah, so close. Would joooray have survived if he self protected?
Double A
02-11-2010, 06:10
I can at least take some pride in the fact that I was the last to die... right?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2010, 06:14
Also, here was our quicktopic.
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/xtqzAqra7RuN
Hahaha, what the heck? Did khaan tell you your quicktopic might be leaked to someone?
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 06:17
Ah, so close. Would joooray have survived if he self protected?
Joooray could not self protect. I believe that is what we call a bluff.
Beskar- You are probably correct that the mafia should have gotten an extra kill per round. I was unsure of how exactly the dynamic of extra vigilantes would work- it could further the town by killing mafia, or hurt it by killing each other. Some bad luck, no doubt, played a role in the early demise, but it seems in retrospect that three was a more optimum number.
BTW, Mafia, your respective abilities were:
Diamondeye/Yama- Unrecruitable by Sigurd.
Beskar/Echidna- if blocked by Doctor, poisoned doctor, resulting in death two nights later.
White_eyes :D/Nergal- Immune to Ankou/Captain Blackadder(aka the corpse killer- however also had the ability to use corpse as doctor)
Atheotes/Set- People killed could not be resurrected.
Hahaha, what the heck? Did khaan tell you your quicktopic might be leaked to someone?
We all had a sense of humour. :laugh4:
Also, I nailed Captain Blackadder as well. :beam:
"Captain Blackadder should probably go, he is probably a pro-town role trying to hide in the bushes, as it were."
Also Yaropolk, etc too. Damn, I was on a utter-roll this game. Shame about that cursed Mafia-list.
We were nice mafia too, we were only targetting lurkers/abstainers (and pro-town). :cry: But we were the ones who were night-shafted.
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 07:10
Ok, I'm going to give the roles themselves a more thorough go over before heading to bed.
Mafia
Set- opponent of Horus in Egyptian Mythology. Ability was to make it impossible for those he killed to be resurrected, to reflect his method of killing Osiris.
Yama- Hindu death god. According to some, the original lord of Death, by virtue of being the first to die- aka first dibs/seniority. Thus, I thought it appropriate he have a level of devotion to the Netherworld as a concept beyond that of the others.
Echidna- Mother of many beasts in Greek mythology. I thought it an excellent tie in from the previous game, where Cerberus and Hydra both bit the dust. As a mother of all variety of terrifying beasts, I thought a deadly poison that would take down doctors if blocked was a proper hidden ability.
Nergal- Another god of death, this time from Babylon. In Babylonian mythology, he is a fearsome deity, associated with the desert and destruction. Immunity from Ankou, who used the dead to help the town, was the ability I chose for him.
Town
Hortulanes, the Lost Alchemist- Yes, this was in fact a true role. Yes, its also mostly inspired from Full Metal Alchemist. I was trying to find a new way of integrating a role to bring back players, and this seemed like a good way. Bringing back characters are hard to balance due to being so potentially powerful. The last time I had such a role, I made it one shot use(Kukri in Spirit Mafia), and the other time I made the player wait three rounds in between raisings(Kommodus in Netherworld I). I thought a fair trade off was to allow the role to raise every other night, but only by sacrificing another player, and with their permission. Of course, there were other limitations as well. Ankou permanently destroyed a body by dredging it for vigilante or doctor use, and Set permanently destroyed anyone he killed. However, I thought it might still get one or two useful raisings in to get a possible power role back as a sort of "ace in the hole" for the town if things went poorly.
Ankou- A spirit from Breton/possibly Gailic mythology. A servant of death. I realize this role may seem oddly placed on the town side. However, part of the Netherworld series is accepting that both the Heavens and the Netherworld are masters of death- they are merely at opposite ends of the same pendulum. Each night, the Ankou could dredge the body of a deceased player for one night, to act as either a doctor or vigilante. I thought versatility was a way of helping compensate for the downsides of the role- permanently destroying the body, as well as seeming a somewhat "ungodly" role. On the plus side, since Ankou himself was not the doctor, if the block was made against Echidna, the Ankou would not perish from poison.
Ares, God of War- Another dual vigilante/doctor. Each night, could vigilante kill. However, Ares was more than just a soldier- he was the very essence of war and bloodlust. Thus, he could lend power to one player, to enable them to fend off any attacks. Again, Ares himself was not at risk from Echidna, though the player who was endowed would still perish two nights later.
Garuda- A spirit from Hinduism/Buddhism. Considered a vehicle of Vishnu by some, and thought to bring peace and end chaos. Its also the national symbol of Thailand and Indonesia. It seemed a natural fit as a pure doctor.
Nyx, Goddess of Sleep. Greek goddess of sleep and the night. I liked the concept of Nyx as a roleblocker- capable of stopping people with peaceful subjugation. A role blocking role, through and through.
Third Party Roles
Illusion Demon- I honestly was not coming up with a good, proper mythical figure for what I had planned for this role. I knew a few different trickster demons and such, but nothing was really sticking out for me as something I would use for this role. I prefer named roles, however, I am not opposed to them- see Kommodus as the High Necromander in Netherworld I. The exact mechanics of the role were thus: The Illusion Demon could not be killed at night, nor could he be protected or blocked. Any action targeting the demon would be sent via random.org to another player, sans the one taking the action. There was a single exception to the immunity rule- Sigurd as Angra Mainyu. More on his role later. The Illusion Demon's one ability was to make any single player, each night phase, change their intended target to him/herself. Thus, the passive, redirecting ability would fire, and the action would be randomly reassigned. The Illusion Demon was utterly alone in this game. Its victory condition was to be alive at the end of the game- in other words, avoid lynch. I think roles that are alone and require the player to be the last one standing are brutally difficult, and thus I thought this was a more "winnable" condition. It would not interfere with anyone else's win conditions- the main point of the role was to stay around and wreak havoc, basically.
Bellerophon- rider of Pegasus, and serial killer. Cast out by the gods when he challenged for authority after he slew the Chimera. In my version of the story, he spends that time wandering the void between the world of humans and the Netherworld, the only place safe from the Gods and Netherworld. With the Gods his enemies, and the Netherworld not exactly friend to the former god either, the role is stuck as a third party assassin. Victory conditions were to outlast all others- easier to do with his partner, of course.
Pegasus- partner of Bellerophon. Acted as permanent doctor for Bellerophon each night. I designed the role that Pegasus would also vote for whomever Bellerophon did during the day phase- pegasus doesn't speak too well. As I'll explain later, I came very close to ditching the idea during the course of the game, but things worked out in the end. Shared and counted towards Bellerophon's victory conditions.
Angra Mainyu/Ahriman- the "Hades" role, I guess, of N2. Long ago defeated by Ahura Mazda, the ods imposed a treaty that he be banned from the Netherworld as well. He hid himself away in the void, hiding his presence, growing more forgotten as time passed by. Now, the chance presented itself to grasp at power once more.
Each night, he got three investigations. Each investigation was vague, however. It only gave a power rating, from 1-5, which I assigned to every player. It did not yield alignment, role name, or anything else. At any point in the game, could recruit one player to be his Prophet, to aid him. From that time on, the prophet was to be tied to Mainyu. Together, the two could kill at night, or do their respective night actions, as the recruited player kept all previous abilities, as Mainyu lent the prophet his power. If Mainyu was lynched or "killed"(attacked at night), he seized the body of his prophet, endowing it with his power permanently, and the player could still kill or use another night action if they had the ability. As a note, if Mainyu recruited a mafioso/killing role, the Prophet could kill while Mainyu investigated, and the writeup would have been somewhat different.
Also, the only player immune to the Illusion Demon's effects- mostly to represent the ancient, raw power of Ahriman. Investigations and recruitment worked as intended against the Illusion Demon.
Second time. :laugh:
First-time was worse. Pretty hard to stay alive when you cross-paths with the most reknown OMGUS voter on the forum.
I call it the curse of Khaan. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54)
Muahahahaha :devil:
You're getting a lot of mafia roles lately Andres.
What was hilarious where Andres used to same defense in this game and in Noblesse. Especially a page or so ago where he goes "what is the point in killing another townie". :laugh4:
You're getting a lot of mafia roles lately Andres.
Yeah, it's always all or nothing, so it seems.
Sometimes it takes months before I ever get a role other than townie, and then suddenly you find yourself in a position of "A mafia role? Oh no, not again."
*victory sign*
Our plan became quite close to reality. Had Double A voted as he was meant to after me buttering his back for several rounds it would have been hole in one.
I initially chose YLC for his amazing powers, but unfortunate and yet fortunate events let to TinCow and YLC being expelled from the game. I was granted a new choice of recruitment for the troubles. I chose Andres because he was to me the most difficult adversary of the remaining players. From that time on - we got to work and planned the game as a chess match.
It amazingly got very close to what we had planned with the only exception of the candidates in the last lynch not being Psychonaut and Joooray and Double A not putting the deciding vote that would have doomed the town.
Joooray could not self protect. I believe that is what we call a bluff.
Ha! I knew it!
My kill order for Joooray:
To clarify the writeup, Sigurd passed his power into you, his prophet. You may still kill tonight.
Hmmm...
Joooray is able to protect right?
He claims he can protect himself.
If he does protect himself, he won't know who attacked him. If he protects Double A and I would attack Double A, then he knows for sure it's me.
So, if I attack Double A, I run the risk of revealing myself. That and the fact that it is very uncommon for a doctor role to be able to protect himself, so he could as well be bluffing.
Kill : Joooray.
I'll kill him by using my voice and eloquent talents. He will listen to me and be hypnotised by my voice. I will convince him that he has to stab himself to dead in order to save us all. He will happily oblige, convinced that he's doing the right thing. Only at the very last moment, he'll understand and will see the reality.
:bow:
Great game, 'khaan. Thanks for hosting :bow:
And thank you Sigurd, for picking me as your recruit. It was a great experience working with you. Your calculation, planning, plotting, discussing how to manipulate the town, etc. It was all great fun :2thumbsup:
And of course, a nod to our worthy adversaries :bow:
For a moment I thought we would fail miserably, since so many players named Sigurd and me as mafia partners, but somehow, we managed to get through, resulting in a difficult, close and therefore very satisfying victory.
So what do you we learn from this experience? :daisy: killing lurkers! Kill the mods! They are always out to get us. :no:
:clown:
No hard feelings, it was a fun game, especially the end. Always a pleasure to play the game against such experienced players. :bow:
And I knew my bluff was not that likely to succeed. :laugh4:
I'm just very embarrassed about my choice of protection. :embarassed: Than again, maybe I wouldn't have survived that long if it would have been obvious the protector was still alive. :shrug:
CCRunner
02-11-2010, 15:10
Oh well then, I was sort of hoping that Psychonaut could pull it off in the end, despite my rather poor play at the begining. Good game guys.
Also, that 'compelled to kill' thing isn't true, don't know if you guys eventually figured that out.
Hmmm... 'khaan, why was the recruitment not announced in the write-ups? I was sitting around wondering why Sigurd hadn't recruited again after YLC was lost...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2010, 18:46
I'm going to toot my own horn here, on the hope that people will blindly follow my lead next time I'm mafia:
Sigurd is my recommendation.
Especially when mafia.
Not addressing any of the votes on him is typical cagey Sigurd response. Little good would come of it and it just lends a bit of credence. As townie he is more likely to defend himself.
I second that motion. So Unvote : johnhughtom ; Vote: Beskar.
I strongly urge everybody who is town to change there vote from Sigurd, he is has been cleared of being Lamia by TC in a previous night. I can not assure you that Beskar is indeed mafia, but Sigurd most likely is not.
Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.
Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.
Do we still have to lynch hades?
This is just from one round of play of course :book:
Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!
For me, this will probably be the game that I look back on with the thoughts, "I hate the way the town works." :laugh4:
I'm still interested in whatever it was that got TinCow and YLC WoK'd, if you're willing to share.
-EDIT:
To Sasaki: Unfortunately, you weren't the one who suggested that Sigurd and Andres were probably mafia partners. Towards the end of the game, it was becoming really obvious to the objective onlooker.
:laugh4:
atheotes
02-11-2010, 19:31
Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!
Excellent game Khaan :2thumbsup: though i am not a big fan of emergent mafia. it is just too easy for them on most occasions and the starting mafia are always up against it.
we did feel handicapped with just the 2 kills between us... more so because we had 5 pro-town roles and YLC who went pro-town. too stacked against us :sad:
well played to Beskar and Diamondeye as well. Unfortunate that White_eyes got killed N1. Most of our communication was through PMs and we did predict very early that the emergent mafia will win this game.
on the Hades role - it might have been me who threw that into the town's thoughts after being cornered by YLC and TinCow. I tried my best to create a role and it did get me one extra night kill. so it was not a total failure.
Diamondeye
02-11-2010, 20:46
I concur. Atheotes, Beskar, well played team. White_Eyes, we were sad to lose you that early, it was definitely detrimental to our team.
And what did we say about Andres!
GeneralHankerchief
02-11-2010, 21:07
Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone. :laugh4:
Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone. :laugh4:
What apology? I killed you to save my scum-buddy. :tongue:
johnhughthom
02-11-2010, 21:20
Well played Sigurd/Andres.:applause:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2010, 21:53
Excellent game khaan, and I'll take that apology any time now, everyone. :laugh4:
Yes, whatever happened to the GH-Sasaki-Chaotix-Winston scum group, I don't see any mention of them in the writeup :beam:
seireikhaan
02-11-2010, 22:28
Hmmm... 'khaan, why was the recruitment not announced in the write-ups? I was sitting around wondering why Sigurd hadn't recruited again after YLC was lost...
I did that because I never revealed YLC to be the original prophet. After his unfortunate stunt, I deemed that he would not be recognized as the prophet when he was lynched. Since I did not recognize him as prophet, I assumed it would create undue confusion to narrate a second conversion. I felt that townspeople would think there were actually two prophets + recruiter, which would have been incorrect.
Good game, and congrats to Sigurd and Andres!
For me, this will probably be the game that I look back on with the thoughts, "I hate the way the town works." :laugh4:
I'm still interested in whatever it was that got TinCow and YLC WoK'd, if you're willing to share.
-EDIT:
To Sasaki: Unfortunately, you weren't the one who suggested that Sigurd and Andres were probably mafia partners. Towards the end of the game, it was becoming really obvious to the objective onlooker.
:laugh4:
I think since I am the cause of it, I should answer it. Sigurd converted me, and in response, I revealed him to TC and gave TC all of Sigurds investigation results. Part of it was waking up in the morning and finding out that I would suddenly have to go against and betray the town I had worked hard for, and the other half was some dim hope that with Sigurd dying I'd revert back to my normal alignment.
The conversion had quickly put a bitterness in mouth, not because I'd lose if Sigurd did, or that I had to be lynched, as I accepted that a while ago when I started working with TC, but that I had chosen, without need, to be protown, and that I wanted to stick to my guns, because I believe in the apathy of the town for the most part, and that my goals and my chosen ally were subverted.
That doesn't condone my actions, but it was how I felt in the moment. I know now I should have simply asked to have been replaced.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2010, 22:35
It's true, that's always a risk with recruitment roles. The capo system is better I think, or at least giving the person the option of refusing, even if it comes with a penalty.
Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.
Captain Blackadder
02-12-2010, 05:58
Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.
Dang you Beskar I was so hoping to get through the game longer with a pro town role that looked evil I was planning to be like the four horseman from the pirates game and use random org to kill someone every night. How on earth did you pick me as a pro town role hiding?
Dang you Beskar I was so hoping to get through the game longer with a pro town role that looked evil I was planning to be like the four horseman from the pirates game and use random org to kill someone every night. How on earth did you pick me as a pro town role hiding?
Gut feeling, I will have to relook at it to tell you what things triggered my scumdar.
Unfortunately, not only providing a hit against Sigurd and TinCow (+ town), is how the actions also hit the mafia, as I wasn't even a suspect.
As I said... you were investigated round 2. I was just sitting on the info. My team would have known your true colours whoever was picked as prophet.
Too bad YLC felt the way he did. He would have continued in a double role, working for the town until the end game and I would have let him and maybe joined them as an investigator.
I could have recruited TinCow... The whole event did put me in a better position for the endgame, but I had no idea of how many players YLC had contacted.
I suspected those who named me as Mafia - to have received some behind the lines info.
But it makes for a funner game to be the prime suspect and manage to haul in the victory anyway.
It doesn't matter how many "I told you so" are presented afterwards. You had no power to influence the town and I could just salute you while coasting to the finish line.
It no longer satisfies to be unknown until the very last writeup. You need to live on the edge, being exposed and then win. Very satisfactory.
My best performance (most satisfactory) was as the Chinese Godfather in Sasaki's "Wanna have more mafia" [sic] Crazed Rabbit knew who I was and tried again and again to get the town to lynch me, but I managed to talk them out of it and I can't remember if I even voted in the last round. I got the town to vote according to my interests and it was Reenk Roink who put the deciding vote.
It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty". This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.
Beefy187
02-12-2010, 10:29
What? Andres? Again?:inquisitive:
Good game Khaan :bow:
Yaropolk
02-12-2010, 13:26
Fyi I killed white eyes, then protected TC for the rest of my living rounds. Mafia - what triggered you to kill me?
It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty".
That's exactly how I felt during Family Guy Mafia. I don't make a good Mafia member, I feel guilty trying to win. :embarassed:
This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.
Oh, you should feel tainted alright, after what you did those last rounds. Fooling me like that, not nice at all. :embarassed: :laugh4:
Fyi I killed white eyes, then protected TC for the rest of my living rounds. Mafia - what triggered you to kill me?
Where you in contact with TC then? Because I was protecting him most of the time as well and if I'd known about you, I could have protected you instead. :dizzy2:
--
Anyway, very good game, Yasei. Thank you for hosting it. I had a lot of fun and hope there will be another installment as the setting is very original and intriguing to follow.
And thanks to all the players for making this worthwhile.
:bow:
Yaropolk
02-12-2010, 19:17
I was in touch with him but didnt tell him my role. I planned to reveal to him once I saw him in the writeup, unfortunately i also died the same night as he was confirmed.
Too bad YLC felt the way he did. He would have continued in a double role, working for the town until the end game and I would have let him and maybe joined them as an investigator.
It was a strange emotion that came to me - like a victory intoxication but at the same time being tainted with a feeling of being a criminal. The lies and manipulations was not something I had done before in RL or in games and I felt a little "dirty". This has now waned and although I still get the victory boost, the taint is not there.
These two sets of sentences paraphrase how I feel as a mafioso. Even when mafia, have have a large nuetral/serial killer streak, because I can be true to myself then. Take any game where I have been, for the most part mafia - which is about 3 games. Each time I insistently worked alone, and when I did I tried to be really helpful to the town, such as ATPG Treehouse of Horror game.
May be I haven't been mafia enough to NOT be a thorough townie, but I don't think so. I think I am just not cut out to be a mafioso. In any case, I think this is a bit of karma for Capo III :laugh4:
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