Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Renata]

I can't do it, Nightbringer, can you? I think I have a couple minutes, but too many distractions to count. The most recent count is only a few posts back.

[Renata]

And what's wrong with the role PM specifically? I don't even have time to look at it.

[woad&fangs]

Mr. Stuka 6 (Atpg, TC, Renata, Believer, Tratorix, Woad)
Tratorix 5 (, Chaotix, Kagemusha, Warman, DIY, Nightbringer )
classical_hero 4 (autolycus,, Diamondeye, Khaan, B_Ray)
Renata 1 (Reenk)
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 1 (Khazaar)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)
B_Ray 1 (romanic,)

[TinCow]

Meh, don't stress about it. Tratorix or Stuka both seem like acceptable lynches under the circumstances, though I remain partial to Stuka.

[Nightbringer]

And what's wrong with the role PM specifically? I don't even have time to look at it.

I would rather not get too specific as it will give mafia info on how to forge them, but capitalization of role type is inconsistent, and the body of the role is very inconsistent. No introduction to the game, no detailing of what actions he takes, no statement of what his goal is, just a vague. "You are a War Veteran and in the service of the king of Rogaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats"

Also, the information about Holmgang is phrased inconsistently and there is a piece of information about Holmgang missing.

All of this COULD be due to Sigurd simply making roles at different times and not using one specific format, but I want to know if that is the case, and Tratorix is no worse of a random vote than Stuka.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Classical Hero bears watching. Sigurd's built a hosting career off of making something seem obvious and then going completely the other way with it.

-edit- Nightbringer, though I have no way of backing this up, I think Sigurd's purposely done stuff like that in the past to throw us off.

[woad&fangs]

I believe the day phase is now over so I am going to challenge: glyphz

He has only one post so far.

[Nightbringer]

Classical Hero bears watching. Sigurd's built a hosting career off of making something seem obvious and then going completely the other way with it.

-edit- Nightbringer, though I have no way of backing this up, I think Sigurd's purposely done stuff like that in the past to throw us off.

If that is the case, I am hurt that sigurd wished tratorix good luck and did not do the same for me. :disappointed:

[TheLastDays]

I am sorry I missed the deadline... I had a busy evening ( being on CET) and couldn't get online... I hope the above count is correct as I wouldn't like to see a tie.

[Nightbringer]

Also, tratorix may have simply copied this role from a previous Midgard game.

" Originally Posted by Sigurd
Human

Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson


You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats


Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3"

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?78686-The-Midgard-Saga-Concluded&p=1424742&highlight=You+are+a+War+Veteran#post1424742

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, Pizza, this:


Khaan's always a bit of a slithery slippery scummy character, and I've been lusting for his blood for a good long time now, resisting my ever-present urges.

...is a horrible, horrible reason for voting anyone. I don't think I've seen you use reasoning this bad, ever.

[TinCow]

Also, tratorix may have simply copied this role from a previous Midgard game.

Ok, THAT is interesting. It does not seem like Sigurd to recycle role PMs word-for-word.

[Diamondeye]

unvote; vote: Tratorix for the clearly faked (or at least, very heavily edited) role PM.

If that's too late, I'll go with Challenge: Tratorix instead.

[Nightbringer]

ahh! no, we don't want a tie!

I think the limit is up though so it doesn't matter.

[classical_hero]

I did not reveal anything to him. He sent me a typical early-game blackmail/feeler style PM. I responded with the traditional retort, beginning the long process of figuring out whether he was someone I could talk to. He never responded, and instead voted for me. Quite rude, and it begs the question why he bothered with the PM to me at all if he was so content to publicly name me.I had to to vote for someone at the time and not waste my vote. I went to be straight away after I posted so I could not have known your response. For that I do apologise, but things have been set in motion. unvote:Tincow vote:traitorix.

@ATPG. Subtlety is for those who are trying to beguile you. So considering who I am it would be wise to contact me about your character and basically any character not telling me are not helpful for the town and we can do things about that.

[Sigurd]

That is strange...

I posted about one and a half hour before the deadline explaining that I had to be somewhere when the deadline was due.
Anyway, voting closed at 22:00 GMT.
Iit is now 1 and a half hour past the deadline and I can't see any new posts past ATPG's at 20:25 GMT

edit: Woah... even stranger, now my old post is present and a whole new page with posts.
I will tally the votes...

[Tratorix]

Well, this is interesting. I knew my role pm probably wouldn't help my case, but I didn't think it would actually hurt it.

Goodbye cruel world, I'm coming Elizabeth, etc.

[Mr. Stuka]

Eh, why the bandwagon on me? I'm sorry I was gone, and that i didn't vote this round, but I was gone, doing you know- real-life stuff? I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not trying to fade into the background. No but seriously, why the bandwagon?

[Sigurd]

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Midgardsaga_yellow_red_logo.png






Day 2




The voting this day was long and there were many candidates shifting taking the lead.
It took the retinues every minute of the allotted time to finally agree on a candidate.
The Hovgod was slumbering when the tally was given him. He took a quick glance at it:

Tally:

Mr. Stuka : 6 (ATPG, Believer, Renata, TinCow, Tratorix, w&f)

Tratorix : 5 (Chaotix, DiY, ELITE, Kage, Nightbringer)
classical_hero : 4 (autolycus, B_Ray, Diamondeye, ‘khaan)
B_Ray : 1 (Romanic )
GeneralHankerchief : 1 (Khazaar)
Khazaar : 1 (GH)
Renata : 1 (Reenk)
TinCow : 1 (classical)

Not voting : 7 (Andres, glyphz, Mr. Stuka, Robbie, Thefluff, TheLastDays, WE:D)

So you barely managed to get a candidate in lead this time as well. And I see there are several not lodging a vote. This is barely acceptable considering we are dealing with someone’s life here.
He looked over the retinues. Could the man named Thorvald Toresson be brought forth?
The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?
I am sure some arrangements can be made. The Hovgod looked into the ice cold eyes, searching. I see a man who will serve Odinn and as such, I wish you adieu. The Hovgod brought his knife which he had hidden in his sleeve in a fluid but powerful stab, which pierced the warrior’s heart. Blood started flowing out of the wound and Thorvald buckled.
Soon life disappeared from those icy eyes.

The Hovgod twirled and stated: Well, should we continue where we left off yesterday?

Challenges can be given from this point. If you have already challenged after the deadline, I will count those as valid.
PMs from those who can – deadline 22:00 GMT Saturday the 16th of July


Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
classical_hero
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs


Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)

[Chaotix]

Oh, if you guys actually lynched Tratorix I would kill all of you. I voted for him, but I didn't want him to die! :clown:

Why is it that I can only start bandwagons when I don't want to?

Also, according to Tratorix's role PM, we are an even match. I am guessing that even though Veterans have "higher than average" Holmgang scores, we are still pretty much the lowest or second-lowest level of townie.

Challenge: Tratorix

Let's see what you've got. If you're really a Vet, it'll show.

[Tratorix]

Oh, if you guys actually lynched Tratorix I would kill all of you. I voted for him, but I didn't want him to die! :clown:

Why is it that I can only start bandwagons when I don't want to?

Also, according to Tratorix's role PM, we are an even match. I am guessing that even though Veterans have "higher than average" Holmgang scores, we are still pretty much the lowest or second-lowest level of townie.

Challenge: Tratorix

Let's see what you've got. If you're really a Vet, it'll show.

Challenge: Chaotix Now we've both got even odds of getting the defender bonus.

[Reenk Roink]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable... :rolleyes:

Challenge: Renata You talk too much

[Nightbringer]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable... :rolleyes:

Challenge: Renata You talk too much

that sounds like a horrible reason to try to get some1 killed.

[Renata]

No kidding.

Regards Tratorix and the PM, apparently Sigurd gives the mafia cover roles, including "vanilla" ones. There's no reason to suspect that Tratorix would have needed to gank one from a previous game to save his scummy hind end, even if mafia, when he would have been provided one direct from the source. This is a non-issue. I can't believe I've gotten caught up in the same stupid thing two days (and two games) in a row.

[White_eyes:D]

Challenge: Nightbringer

I have a theory. If right, you and Renata are scum buddies...if (most) likely not...you well die a Norsemens death:viking:

[Renata]

You challenged Nightbringer because he gave you cause to believe you can defeat him.

[thefluffyone93]

I missed another vote....my bad!
Went to Six Flags today!

And I certainly didn't want to post from my phone....

Will try to be active from now on.

[Nightbringer]

Challenge: Nightbringer

I have a theory. If right, you and Renata are scum buddies...if (most) likely not...you well die a Norsemens death:viking:

you should elaborate on this theory.

Renata, thank you for clarifying that, it seems Tratorix is probably innocent. I'm glad I didn't get him lynched then (of course, he still MIGHT be mafia, but my case is null and void)

[White_eyes:D]

You challenged Nightbringer because he gave you cause to believe you can defeat him.
How so?:dizzy:

I wanted to challenge you, but Reenk has first debs....:shrug:

[B-Wing]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

(3) Is the following statement true?


...as ties apparently result in no lynch.

(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

EDIT: Also, if a mafia is challenged to holmgang, does that prevent them from performing a night kill as well?

[Tratorix]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

(3) Is the following statement true?



(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

EDIT: Also, if a mafia is challenged to holmgang, does that prevent them from performing a night kill as well?

1) Good question. Everyone seems to be taking his word that he's powertown, I guess.

2) :shrug: It happens. ATPG says jump, this forum asks how high. Until the late game, when we usually lynch him to be on the safe side.

3) Yes.

4) My guess is there are some other roles capable of killing, possibly a serial killer and someone else. They may have specific triggers or targets though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, Pizza, this:

...is a horrible, horrible reason for voting anyone. I don't think I've seen you use reasoning this bad, ever.

So that means I'm scum right? Vote for me. :rolleyes: <-----I'm scummy

[Death is yonder]

The only argument against me was "He's not classical hero", so its pretty much a shot in the dark either way. Vote how you feel you have to, my votes locked in and I'm going out.

Alright, I've been out and this really stood out to me.

I think I'm accurate in saying that classical was not lynched on the basis of him possibly being a power role, some suggesting even that he is Thor, yet didn't Stuka claim explicitly that he was a champion? So someone was lynched who claimed he was a champion to protect someone who was probably a power role? I'm thinking that Tratorix knew this and that he didn't mind, and conveniently overlooked this.

Plus in light of Nightbringer bringing up the role pm thing it does indeed seem like Tratorix needs to go.



The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?

Seems like Stuka was telling the truth, that he was from Nordmore and a champion.

All in all, Tratorix should go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good grief, a lot has happened since last time I checked in. I've got four questions:

(1) What was so wrong with my vote on classical hero?

Cat's already out of the bag. He's either Thor, presumably a pro-town God, or he's a scumbag, and we'll have all the evidence that he's a scumbag that we need in short order.


(2) Why did 4 or 5 people immediately obey ATPG's whimsical bidding?

Oh bull droppings. I was simply the talkative one. Ask anyone involved in that whole deal, what went down in private was democratic and I asked for opinions and said I'd do whatever the consensus was. When there wasn't one I urged for my own candidate, but when they pushed for someone else I obliged.

Talking a lot does not make me dictator. I want people to understand this if we're going to work together as a team. I talk, that doesn't mean I'm always the leader and it doesn't mean when people agree with me that I'm controlling them. The result of this round was several people convinced me to lynch Stuka and I didn't really agree with the case. How does that translate to them doing my bidding? Let's get real. Part of this phenomenon is that people willingly feed into it even when its not actually happening. Free your minds, I'm just a dude.


(4) Why would there have only been two murders on Night 2 when there were four on Night 1?

Strictly speaking we do not know, however, there are several plausible theories.


1) Role with every-other-night killing power, or role with multiple powers, one of which is killing.
2) Murderer from N1 was also killed on N1, thus reducing the murders.
3) Vigilante who was inactive
4) Roleblocker or doctor prevented a kill and is keeping mum about it for now (good idea, just don't wait too long. Repeat previous action if roleblocker.)

Probably others.

[White_eyes:D]

Have you figured out number 5 yet, Pizzaguy?:bounce:

I think it is going to be proven false though. Either way, I should enjoy this.:party:

[Tratorix]

Alright, I've been out and this really stood out to me.

I think I'm accurate in saying that classical was not lynched on the basis of him possibly being a power role, some suggesting even that he is Thor, yet didn't Stuka claim explicitly that he was a champion? So someone was lynched who claimed he was a champion to protect someone who was probably a power role? I'm thinking that Tratorix knew this and that he didn't mind, and conveniently overlooked this.

Plus in light of Nightbringer bringing up the role pm thing it does indeed seem like Tratorix needs to go.



Seems like Stuka was telling the truth, that he was from Nordmore and a champion.

All in all, Tratorix should go.

Yes, I brought up that he claimed champion a few times. The fact that he immediately claimed as soon as someone voted for him made me suspicious. I was wrong about that Honestly, I'm kind of hoping Chaotix will kill me in Holmgang, as that will prove my innocence, get the town off this stupid roadblock and give us a bit more info on how holmgang works, as everyone already knows my score.

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow, bad lynch on Mr. Stuka, I should have been in the thread to defend him but my options are limited being dead. I don't see why claiming is scummy.

He was exactly who he said he was, and he claimed so he could bring the clan together. My vote on day 1 proves this, as does the write up. I strongly suggest you people consider one more time the timing of both my being challenged and Stuka being bandwagoned. There is a king with no bodyguards now, and it's not even the third day yet.

[Chaotix]

Pretty sure we're dealing with a couple of vigilantes. Wouldn't be surprised if classical_hero was one, if he's not mafia.

Keeping a close eye on B-Ray because ATPG's policy of "those who accuse me of mind control are mafia" tends to be uncannily correct. With myself included.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pretty sure we're dealing with a couple of vigilantes. Wouldn't be surprised if classical_hero was one, if he's not mafia.

Keeping a close eye on B-Ray because ATPG's policy of "those who accuse me of mind control are mafia" tends to be uncannily correct. With myself included.

If B_Ray is Jotun, he's not going to be alive much longer. I guarantee it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Have you figured out number 5 yet, Pizzaguy?:bounce:

My inbox is always open. Come, White_Eyes, we haven't had a nice cooperative chat in a good long time.

Echo the Capo, and toss me a trust bone. Don't tell me who it is, just what it is.

[White_eyes:D]

I can see why a lot of people are not dueling....but COME ON, your making it too easy for the Jotun.:stare:

They are just going to kill whoever doesn't duel, which appears to be a pretty good looking strategy....what are the odds of a champion or King being in the current duels?

If I was a King I would be dueling every round to be on the safe side. Jotun may hit them on the odd round but it would not be worth it for the end game.

[Major Robert Dump]

That argument makes no sense

[Askthepizzaguy]

That argument makes no sense

I have a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.

[Diamondeye]

Eh, why the bandwagon on me? I'm sorry I was gone, and that i didn't vote this round, but I was gone, doing you know- real-life stuff? I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not trying to fade into the background. No but seriously, why the bandwagon?

So, why the bandwagon? Oh I'm sorry that's your line. Well perhaps you shouldn't have blustered out who you were like that, especially since it turns out you were a Champion... Nordmøra's in a pretty poor state thanks to that reveal... Sigurd, the writeup hints to something the Nordmøra can do? Can someone else (if less skilled than a champion, probably) take on the role of Stuka?


I think it is going to be proven false though. Either way, I should enjoy this.:party:

What is it you enjoy? Not voting? :stare:

Either way I want my Challenge Tratorix counted. My vote wasn't counted so obivously I was post-deadline.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you ask questions you know the host won't answer?

Are you pretending to be townie and failing miserably with this horrible acting?

[classical_hero]

That is strange...

I posted about one and a half hour before the deadline explaining that I had to be somewhere when the deadline was due.
Anyway, voting closed at 22:00 GMT.
Iit is now 1 and a half hour past the deadline and I can't see any new posts past ATPG's at 20:25 GMT

edit: Woah... even stranger, now my old post is present and a whole new page with posts.
I will tally the votes...10pm GMT is 6am my time, since I am GMT+8, so that makes the time has ended an hour early. I am going to assume you are Norwegian meaning you are normally only 1 hour in front of GMT, but now you would be 2 hours in front due to DST.

[classical_hero]

I would challenge classical hero but apparently it's dishonorable... :rolleyes:

Challenge: Renata You talk too muchUnless you are mad, feel free to challenge me. Fo course I will not be challenging anyone unless i have a good reason to do so and then it would mean risking my life since I would be fighting someone with the odds I have, not a weak human.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's not mad. He's probably more powerful than all the Jotun put together. If not in sheer strength, then in Reenkosity.

[Major Robert Dump]

So you had a good reason to challenge me? I'd like to hear it, considering Stuka's identity and timing of your challenge.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So that means I'm scum right? Vote for me. :rolleyes: <-----I'm scummy

1) I never said that, you're the one that said that. I'm just pointing out something out of character so the greater town can notice it.
2) You have nothing to say about the reasoning itself?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, please don't tell me another pro-town group is forming.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah and humbug. Me lusting for Khaan's blood is practically a meme. I've mentioned how much I've wanted him to die in the past several games, including one you hosted, where he was ALREADY DEAD.

I have nothing to say about the reasoning for my obviously in-character vote for Khaan.


Bolded, underlined, and italicized.

:rolleyes: again for emphasis. I fart in your general direction.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You seem far more argumentative/dismissive than usual. :book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You seem far more argumentative/dismissive than usual. :book:

You have a silly hat. :stare:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, two bits that really have my attention:


Oh bull droppings. I was simply the talkative one. Ask anyone involved in that whole deal, what went down in private was democratic and I asked for opinions and said I'd do whatever the consensus was. When there wasn't one I urged for my own candidate, but when they pushed for someone else I obliged.


Echo the Capo, and toss me a trust bone. Don't tell me who it is, just what it is.

I can see these two taken separately as a one-off deal with the people online around the time that the counter-bandwagons happened and you doing your usual thing with White_eyes. However, taken together, plus the Capo reference, starts to get me to twitch. So I'll ask: Are you aware of/involved in any private pro-town network that may be forming?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I tried to avoid it, I really did.

It's the metagamers. Meta-gamers. Folks who won't leave me alone on round one and two. Those people. It happens every time.

I had a really simple role, really simple task, really straightforward mission, and, I was doing it nice and quietly, letting everyone have fun. Holmgangs, accusations, random lynchings, oh what fun. But no, I was roused from my sleep and UNDER THE LASH, made to serve the unholy network again.

I cannot self-terminate, GH. You must lower me into the steel.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Challenge: ATPG

You could always, I dunno, say no. It's quite refreshing. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Challenge: ATPG

You could always, I dunno, say no. It's quite refreshing. :yes:

Someday I will be a bad guy who is impervious to scans, and this whole thing WILL blow up in their faces at long last. And I will laugh madly. MADLY.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*sigh* I guess the lessons learned from A Bridge Zhou Far are fading. To be expected, I guess, but still disappointing. :no:

I guess I'll just settle for being the annoying guy sitting on the sidelines saying "I told you so" after the game by Sigurd's design properly accounted for a network and put in a mechanism or two to utterly subvert it. As I did in Midgard II.

So yeah, I guess this is my plea to the network guys, whoever they may be: end your collaboration. Now. Yes, when things are in the midgame and/or endgame, you can get together, as is only natural. But setting up a protective little shell in this kind of game this early on is only going to backfire spectacularly. Trust me on this one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're too late, GH. It's too late.

I am the lizard queen. I have become perfect. Shiny, like a diamond.

Join me, and together we can rule the world as a pair of mad hatters. You in your pope hat and me in my trashcan o doom.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd put your emotions right now as "reluctant glee". It's very odd.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd put your emotions right now as "reluctant glee". It's very odd.

Just being dramatic. There's nothing remotely that interesting going on.

[Visor]

There's nothing remotely that interesting going on.

Because I was lynched. :P

[Sigurd]

10pm GMT is 6am my time, since I am GMT+8, so that makes the time has ended an hour early. I am going to assume you are Norwegian meaning you are normally only 1 hour in front of GMT, but now you would be 2 hours in front due to DST.
I put my computer on GMT (Greenwich mean time) when I started the game. It is by that clock this game is run. It seems that my computer adjusts DLS for GMT as well, not being completely UTC. So in reality it is BST that is the official clock running this game.
I shall adjust the deadlines accordingly, with 1 European time, 1 American time and 1 Asian time. Whichever you prefer.

[Renata]

So, why the bandwagon? Oh I'm sorry that's your line. Well perhaps you shouldn't have blustered out who you were like that, especially since it turns out you were a Champion... Nordmøra's in a pretty poor state thanks to that reveal... Sigurd, the writeup hints to something the Nordmøra can do? Can someone else (if less skilled than a champion, probably) take on the role of Stuka?

That's the scummiest comment I've seen out of you in quite a while. You must be a townie.

[Renata]

Also, please don't tell me another pro-town group is forming.

OK I won't.

(CH is requesting that one form, though, centered around his magnificent figure. He said so in public and everything. You should probably have a chat with him.)

[Renata]

How so?:dizzy:

I wanted to challenge you, but Reenk has first debs....:shrug:

Couldn't you have even tried to make up something amusing?

[Kagemusha]

Challenge: White_Eyes

I hate this new bolding system.Can i get my brackets back?

[classical_hero]

I put my computer on GMT (Greenwich mean time) when I started the game. It is by that clock this game is run. It seems that my computer adjusts DLS for GMT as well, not being completely UTC. So in reality it is BST that is the official clock running this game.
I shall adjust the deadlines accordingly, with 1 European time, 1 American time and 1 Asian time. Whichever you prefer.Well if you want to be on GMT then just say one hour earlier and it will be clear, since that is the time you want to end the turn. So just say that it will end at 21:00 GMT, which it has the past few days. It is easier that way then everyone should then be able to calibrate from there.

[TinCow]

Can someone else (if less skilled than a champion, probably) take on the role of Stuka?

Maybe I am remembering this incorrectly, but I think that in Midgard 2 players could be promoted to the rank of Champion if the original Champion died. For some reason I want to say that this was possible if the lower ranked person won a Holmgang.

[Reenk Roink]

Unless you are mad, feel free to challenge me. Fo course I will not be challenging anyone unless i have a good reason to do so and then it would mean risking my life since I would be fighting someone with the odds I have, not a weak human.

Look MR I THINK IM SPECIAL THAT IM A GOD (Pro tip there are about 3-6 gods in the game including or not including Jotun), I cant challenge you because it's against the rules. :sad:

And what is this pansy self righteous not challenging people thing? You severely disappoint me by not availing yourself of your powers against humans. :stare:

By the way, Eir isn't protecting you tonight (she has a bad case of paranoia and it is generally very annoying), so have fun. :beam:

[Reenk Roink]

Also, TinCow is to blame for Stuka's death. Lynch him tomorrow.

[TinCow]

I've missed you, Reenk.

[thefluffyone93]

Bah and humbug. Me lusting for Khaan's blood is practically a meme. I've mentioned how much I've wanted him to die in the past several games, including one you hosted, where he was ALREADY DEAD.

I have nothing to say about the reasoning for my obviously in-character vote for Khaan.


Bolded, underlined, and italicized.

:rolleyes: again for emphasis. I fart in your general direction.

...........



Bah and humbug. Me lusting for Khaan's blood is practically a meme. I've mentioned how much I've wanted him to die in the past several games, including one you hosted, where he was ALREADY DEAD.

..........hmmmmmm.


practically a meme

Wait.....


meme

I approve.

[Nightbringer]

Challenge: White_Eyes

I hate this new bolding system.Can i get my brackets back?
why white_eyes?

[Reenk Roink]

Sigurd, the answer to this is probably no but since some roles are so dependent on it I might as well try. Can victors in the Holmgang waive their right to rest?

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, the answer to this is probably no but since some roles are so dependent on it I might as well try. Can victors in the Holmgang waive their right to rest?
sorry no,

It is written in stone. Norse do not make Holmgang against an injured warrior. It is cowardly.

[Sigurd]

6 Challenges has been made:

These are:

1. woad&fangs vs. glyphz
2. Diamondeye vs. Tratorix
3. Chaotix vs. Tratorix
4. Tratorix vs. Chaotix
5. Reenk Roink vs. Renata

One will be fought:
[roll0]

The die has chosen

1. woad&fangs vs. glyphz as today's Holmgang.

There is still time left if you have not submitted your orders.

[Reenk Roink]

Lucked out Renata... :mean:

Also Tratorix is apparently protected by Odin himself...

[Tratorix]

Lucked out Renata... :mean:

Also Tratorix is apparently protected by Odin himself...

Yeah, apparently I should do some gambling later.

[White_eyes:D]

6 Challenges has been made:

These are:

1. woad&fangs vs. glyphz
2. Diamondeye vs. Tratorix
3. Chaotix vs. Tratorix
4. Tratorix vs. Chaotix
5. Reenk Roink vs. Renata

One will be fought:
[roll0]

The die has chosen

1. woad&fangs vs. glyphz as today's Holmgang.

There is still time left if you have not submitted your orders.What the....??

Did I not bold that challenge to Nightbringer or something??~:mecry:

I knew that Kage's wouldn't count. I am guessing that he canceled it or Nightbringer can't be dueled.....UNFUN:wall:

[Reenk Roink]

What the....??

Did I not bold that challenge to Nightbringer or something??~:mecry:

I knew that Kage's wouldn't count. I am guessing that he canceled it or Nightbringer can't be dueled.....UNFUN:wall:

There will be another patsy to duel, ~:pat: there always is...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, my challenge to Pizza was missing from that list too.

[classical_hero]

So that means we need a re roll of the dice to get that challenge i and then we see what will happen.

[Sigurd]

What the....??

Did I not bold that challenge to Nightbringer or something??~:mecry:

I knew that Kage's wouldn't count. I am guessing that he canceled it or Nightbringer can't be dueled.....UNFUN:wall:
You were on that list, just a copy leif.
You can see I used a 6 sided die in the roll... General's challenge was number 7, so it was not considered.

This has been an intricate night... my birthday and all. The results should be up as soon as I do the Holmgang.

[Sigurd]

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Round 3

Night 3


(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053343987&viewfull=1#post2053343987)
Results Holmgang # 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053343987&viewfull=1#post2053343987)

The execution of a dear and respected member of the Nordmøre camp didn’t go well with the Nørdmøre retinue. They threw wild accusations around and some minor fights ensued.
Some members of the Romsdal retinue laughed at the feeble Nordmøre efforts to share blame of the killings. A Nordmøre man took a swing at a prominent member of the Romsdal retinue and landed a hook to his jaw. The Romsdal man stumbled, but got up again with speed and swung at the Nordmøre man. The swing was so powerful that he couldn’t stop when the Nordmøre ducked. The fist took a bystander in the nose and the man went down nose bloody and broken. The bystander leaped up in seconds and felt his broken nose with surprise. Then he eyed the one who caused it. You and me, Holmgang now.
The Hovgod came rushing to the place and was about to object when he saw the injured man’s cold eyes. Blood for blood then.

The bystander drew his polished sword and attacked at once. The Romsdal man who would fight this Holmgang didn’t have time to draw his, so he grabbed a fistful of sand and threw it into the eyes of the bystander coming towards him at full speed. The bystander roared when he was temporary blinded and the Romsdal man kneed him in the groin as he passed and kicked him in the small back. The bystander went down and the Romsdal man had time to draw his sword and get ready before the bystander was back up slashing wildly around him. One of those swings did find its way home and a crimson stain erupted from the shoulder of the Romsdal man.
The Romsdal man took the next swings on his blade and cut into the forearm of the attacker, but one did get through his guard and left a red angry wound across his ribs.
The next wound was dealt by the Romsdal man though, and a series of slashes left the bystander bleeding on the ground ready to yield. But this was not the end the Romsdal man had hoped for. The bystander all though tired looking leaped to his feet with new vigour and with immense force knocked the guard of the Romsdal man aside and dealt two wounds to his arms before running him through. The Romsdal man looked incredulously at the hilt hugging his rib cage. Blood started running fast from his torso and with it his life.


Night was settling on the camp and Arnvid Torarinsson felt especially rejuvenated but tired all the same. It was time for some shut eye. Arnvid went to his resting place and started honing his fine blade, something he did every night. It was important that the tools of a warrior were well tended. While honing his sword, Arnvid heard a commotion behind him. He looked over his shoulder and was barely able to duck his head under a slash of steel that would have taken his head off. A half naked man with crazed eyes and foam around his mouth was desperately trying to kill him. Arnvid got to his feet thinking this man was not right in the head. Arnvid was already holding his perfectly balanced blade honed with razor edges. The apparently crazed man turned with incredible speed and lunged for Arnvid. Arnvid had for some reason no problems avoiding the attacks from the crazed man. The crazed man hacked and slashed wildly but with enough force should any of them hit Arnvid, he would lose a limb or worse. The attacks grew to a crescendo and Arnvid avoided them all.
The man was finally getting tired and realizing he could not finish what he had started ran into the woods, leaving a panting Arnvid. He would need to hone that blade again.

The grizzled warrior from the last Holmgang tended his wounds. It was time to change the bandages. He removed the one over his left eye. As painful as it was he calmly stripped the wound for clinging bandage without so much as a wince.
He was about to reaply with fresh bandage when he heard breaking noises in the woods just behind him. He got up and looked around. He never saw the big pine that swung into the side of his head. There was a blinding flash and he felt his body flying through the air into the woods finally hitting another pine. His broken body slammed to the ground and his head swam. It would take some time to recover from this injury was his first though. He felt the ground shake in a set interval, as if something enormous was walking towards him. A inhumanly dark voice split the night; So, you have problems keeping your eyes in this world too? The grizzled warrior turned his head and saw a large darkness towering over him, yellow eyes beaming in the darkness. I told you this was our man, the voice continued. Another shadow appeared with nearly identical beaming eyes. The grizzled man, saw the first shadow move and felt and heard a ripple in the ground. He tried to move, but his body wasn’t up to it. He felt every bone crush in his body as a boulder the size of a long ship came crashing down atop him. He was still conscious when he felt the ground burn around him turning the boulder molten. This was more than he could handle and released his hold on this world. Fresh air blew in his face as he stood staring over the Bitterfrost Bridge. It would be a while before he would be able to go back over to Midgard.

The morning came and it was apparent that another man was missing and a story of a survivor after an attempted murder told them that there were still murderers among them.
The Hovgod asked them to again find a candidate and hopefully the very someone who had performed the deeds these last few nights.

Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)


Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
issaikhaan
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs


Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)

[Reenk Roink]

So this is what I've got from skimming the thread about some of the game structure. I probably missed a lot but these were the things that stood out to me.

Jotun, this is especially for you guys since I know how much trouble you have even reading. Of course, I don't expect you to avail yourselves with this information (you'll probably mess up in writing the orders to Sigurd or something :rolleyes:).

B_ray: claims it is important to be alive... perhaps a champion/king or a protown role or even a god (this is doubtful unless there are a lot of gods though).

classical_hero: god (Thor), focus on this guy first, kill off his (quite public) retinue if you're worried about protections.

TinCow: something tied to classical_hero, protown perhaps, but a weak lead from in thread information (still if you kill him you'd be avenging us Vikings for his Stuka hate :2thumbsup:).

I also thought Nightbringer had some interesting things to say about how he suspected Tratorix's PM for being too simple. Seems like he has a complex PM himself. Could be a powerful Viking, protown role, god, or even Jotun.

Oh, and if any Viking is mad at me for doing this, I'm trying to set the stage for some business partnerships with Jotun muscle (I'm obviously management, they are labor) so please bear with me...

1) It was all in thread anyway, I'm not exposing some trusted confidential information here...

2) To you, the most important thing is the KINGS and to the KINGS the most important thing is their CHAMPIONS. Now, as he was crying like a little baby after classical smoked him like a bad cigar, MRD made the good point behind all his tears, snot, and blood, that Stuka a CHAMPION was dead and so a KING was without a CHAMPION. Well, apparently he got beat so bad he forgot to note that a second CHAMPION, Captain Blackadder, was confirmed dead in the kills.

So two CHAMPIONS dead. :wall: To any other protector roles out there (and you listen especially carefully Eir), find and protect the KINGS!

[Reenk Roink]

Oh wow, classical is already killed. :laugh4:

Bad news is a KING seems to be exposed. :wall:

Vote: Renata

[Chaotix]

Well, glad we didn't have to kill classical.

Judging from the end of the write-up up, though:


It would be a while before he would be able to go back over to Midgard

Midgard is the land of the gods, right? Classical was a god, or so it seems.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

For being a lying liar.

[Chaotix]

Wait a minute....

-Sigurd, glyphz should be dead in the Holmgang section, no? Not Kagemusha?
EDIT: Apparently it's not a mistake. Looks like a random bystander got dragged in. Unlucky for Kage.

-woad&fangs apparently has 10 Holmgang score or more.

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

For being a lying liar.

What did he lie about?

[Chaotix]

ATPG lies about everything. It's standard fare for him. I'm not sure what he lied about just yet, but by calling him out on it I'm sure I've caught him somewhere.

[woad&fangs]

Is there a Nordic version of seppuku?

[Mr. Stuka]

TinCow: something tied to classical_hero, protown perhaps, but a weak lead from in thread information (still if you kill him you'd be avenging us Vikings for his Stuka hate :2thumbsup:).


:2thumbsup:Stuka-hate is baaad

[Reenk Roink]

On second read, it seems that Kagemusha wasn't a Champion at all, and rather he was just some guy who got drawn into a fight, meaning glyphz is not the exposed king. Anyone else reading it like this? Kage, were you a champion?

Oh and unvote, vote: Atpg

[Reenk Roink]

:2thumbsup:Stuka-hate is baaad

Unvote, vote: TinCow

[Reenk Roink]

K, I'm going to wait for some Per help.

Unvote

[White_eyes:D]

Wait a minute....

-Sigurd, glyphz should be dead in the Holmgang section, no? Not Kagemusha?
EDIT: Apparently it's not a mistake. Looks like a random bystander got dragged in. Unlucky for Kage.

-woad&fangs apparently has 10 Holmgang score or more.
It looks like if you go past the six Challenger limit, you have a good chance of dieing. Kagemusha was 8th and GH was 7th...lucky GH.

The highest I can tell that woad&fangs rolled was a 6. Unless, you know something I don't.:shrug:

I am going to vote at the start of the round this time, since DE is complaining about me not voting in just one day round.:stare:

Where is Khazaar? He is being too quiet lately. Vote:Khazaar

[Believer]

Vote: n0rg3 Roink

I can't see what you're getting at with that wall of text, we should help the Jotun? Get lynched.

[B-Wing]

I think it's clear from the write-up that classical_hero was Odin. The jotun taunted him by saying, "So, you have problems keeping your eyes in this world too?" which is a dead giveaway. I'm not extremely familiar with Norse mythology, but I know that Odin gave up one of his eyes in exchange for knowledge.

So there was only one murder last night? Interesting. And I'm not clear why Kagemusha died from the holmgang. I assumed the accidental blow to the bystander was just the intro to the duel, but did the bystander actually take the place of one the participants? That's quite odd.

[Reenk Roink]

w&f why are you so strong?


Vote: n0rg3 Roink

I can't see what you're getting at with that wall of text, we should help the Jotun? Get lynched.

Haters gon' hate.

[Renata]

I've missed you, Reenk.

I thought I did. At the moment though I'd rather drop-kick him off a cliff.

[Reenk Roink]

I thought I did. At the moment though I'd rather drop-kick him off a cliff.

:disappointed: I'm sorry, but the center of your protown network was not only exposed early in a most unnecessary fashion, you also proved unable to even protect him from what was surely coming.

[Chaotix]

The highest I can tell that woad&fangs rolled was a 6. Unless, you know something I don't.:shrug:


That's not how the Holmgang scores work.

Everybody can roll 1-6, it's a normal die.

Holmgang score tells you how many hits you can take before you die, as well as how many dice you throw every round (up to a max of 3).

If you get hit enough that you have less than 3 points left, you can only throw 1 or 2 dice per round, and by that point you're pretty much dead. Woad got hit 7 times and at that point was still rolling three dice at a time. That means his Holmgang score was at least 7 + 3 = 10.

[White_eyes:D]

So...he's either a god or a Jotun.:book:

But maybe Kage was taking all the hits like a meat shield.:laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

Waiting on woad to tell us which type of tough guy he is. By the way, don't worry about losing Aesir, they are replaceable. There is some light of Aesir in all of us (except those with Holmgang scores less than 5).

[Renata]

There is no pro-town network, Reenk, at least not that I'm aware of. If there had been, I doubt that CH would be dead. Whoever has the protection abilities around here dropped the ball.

On woad I only counted five hits but may have misread: regardless, a minimum of 8 vs a minimum of 10, it all says approximately the same thing.

If Kage's death wasn't his own doing, the next question is whether it was glyphz'.

[TinCow]

I thought I did. At the moment though I'd rather drop-kick him off a cliff.

He makes games interesting, and what is the point of all this if not entertainment?

w&f needs to role claim. He clearly has a Holmgang score of 10+. In Midgard 2, no human had a score over 8. I have not seen anything to make me thing Sigurd has inflated the scores this time around, so that means w&f is either a God or a Jotun. If he's a God, the Jotun will know he's not one of them so revealing will not harm him any further than his silly Holmganging already has. Better to reveal and tell us what he knows. If he's a Jotun, he'll have to fabricate a God role PM very quickly to get himself out of this mess.

[B-Wing]

I still don't get the holmgang system, but that's alright.

Vote: issaikhaan
You've been too quiet.

EDIT: I guess Kagemusha could have been glyphz's champion?

[Reenk Roink]

There is no pro-town network, Reenk, at least not that I'm aware of. If there had been, I doubt that CH would be dead. Whoever has the protection abilities around here dropped the ball.

Eir... Taking Gyda's place as most hated woman in Norway. But I don't share the same sorrow of classical's death as you do. It is about time that some NEW gods show up.

[Chaotix]

There is no pro-town network, Reenk, at least not that I'm aware of. If there had been, I doubt that CH would be dead. Whoever has the protection abilities around here dropped the ball.

On woad I only counted five hits but may have misread: regardless, a minimum of 8 vs a minimum of 10, it all says approximately the same thing.

If Kage's death wasn't his own doing, the next question is whether it was glyphz'.

You're correct, I miscounted.

[Reenk Roink]

EDIT: I guess Kagemusha could have been glyphz's champion?

I thought this at first too, but it also does look like Kage just got mixed up in the fight and didn't actively replace glyphz.

Either way a protector should get on glyphz this round.

[Tratorix]

I thought this at first too, but it also does look like Kage just got mixed up in the fight and didn't actively replace glyphz.

Either way a protector should get on glyphz this round.

Kagemusa being a champion is really the only way that him dying makes sense. Perhaps his challenge to White Eyes was just an attempt to avoid revealig glyphz?

[White_eyes:D]

W&F or glyphz has some brass ones, if they were dueling and are either/or a King....What? :shrug:

I was never serious about a King dueling, that's just suicidal. :laugh4:

Edit:But how was glyphz ever in danger of being revealed?

Edit2:Didn't W&F take most of the abuse though?

[autolycus]

Well, glad we didn't have to kill classical.

Judging from the end of the write-up up, though:



Midgard is the land of the gods, right? Classical was a god, or so it seems.

Midgard is the land of humans, this land. Asgard is the land of the gods, but your conclusion does seem to be right. Classical got smacked up too much last night to be able to stay in our world or come back any time soon.

Anyway, until I get a decent claim from him vote:woad & fangs, the last guy to take that kind of punishment and keep fighting was a god, what are you?

[woad&fangs]

I'm Heimdall. Night one I investigated Major Robert Dump and found him to be asleep. Night two I found a king. Night three I found a champion. Obviously I'm not going to be revealing those two. The king has a pm proving the innocence of both himself and the champion that he can use when he sees fit. Any chance the Jotun will leave me alive and let me hunt down Loki instead of them?

edit: My Holmgang score against humans is 8.....turned on its side.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm Heimdall. Night one I investigated Major Robert Dump and found him to be asleep. Night two I found a king. Night three I found a champion. Obviously I'm not going to be revealing those two. The king has a pm proving the innocence of both himself and the champion that he can use when he sees fit. Any chance the Jotun will leave me alive and let me hunt down Loki instead of them?

Oh man Seamus... Now where is my counterpart? I have to say that you have much more to be proud of woad than me of whoever is Loki. I mean three whole rounds and no appearance.

[Reenk Roink]

What made you just jump out and challenge glyphz though w&f? Not the stoic Heimdall who only used violence against Loki that I remember... :mean:

[woad&fangs]

I was using my challenges as an extra way of ruling out who was Loki since Loki has to accept a challenge from me. I just picked glyphz at random from the lurkers.

[Chaotix]

For the Midgard-ignorant...

Who is Heimdall and what did he do in previous games? Should we be worried about woad or not?

[Tratorix]

For the Midgard-ignorant...

Who is Heimdall and what did he do in previous games? Should we be worried about woad or not?

We really shouldn't take things like that into account, as Loki was evil in the first Midgard and town in the second. Also, woad could be lying, but thats pretty much a given in a mafia game. Seems like, from woads statements so far, that the gods in this game are not town aligned, but not against us either. Basically, neutral.

[White_eyes:D]

We really shouldn't take things like that into account, as Loki was evil in the first Midgard and town in the second. Also, woad could be lying, but thats pretty much a given in a mafia game. Seems like, from woads statements so far, that the gods in this game are not town aligned, but not against us either. Basically, neutral.
To lynch or not to lynch? W&F could keep dueling and it seems random people get killed if he is wrong....should we just hope the Jotun try to kill him? If Kage was a King or Champion that really hurt town.

[Tratorix]

To lynch or not to lynch? W&F could keep dueling and it seems random people get killed if he is wrong....should we just hope the Jotun try to kill him? If Kage was a King or Champion that really hurt town.

There are probably better lynch targets, for this round at least. I think we should ask him nicely not to Holmgang people though, as he's far more likely to hit an important townie than a Jotun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The word through the grapevine is that whoever is claiming that kings and champions know for sure each other are innocent is complete and utter lies.

There is no such clause, sayeth one champion.

[thefluffyone93]

Eir... Taking Gyda's place as most hated woman in Norway. But I don't share the same sorrow of classical's death as you do. It is about time that some NEW gods show up.

1559

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG lies about everything. It's standard fare for him. I'm not sure what he lied about just yet, but by calling him out on it I'm sure I've caught him somewhere.

Vote: Chaotix

As if lying was a bad thing. You're a goody-goody two shoes and that means you're better off dead.

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: Chaotix

As if lying was a bad thing. You're a goody-goody two shoes and that means you're better off dead.

Vote: Chaotix

LIKE A BOSS

[B-Wing]

Based a quick skim over Wikipedia, I think Heimdall would definitely be a good guy. I think he claimed it a bit too hastily, though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Based a quick skim over Wikipedia, I think Heimdall would definitely be a good guy. I think he claimed it a bit too hastily, though.

Didn't you strongly hint you needed to stay alive?

And weren't there others who did the same sort of thing? This is a phenomenon with this whole game. Glass houses, B_Ray.

[Chaotix]

Can I strongly hint that I need to stay alive?

That stuff works wonders for everyone else, I should try it.

[Nightbringer]

Can I strongly hint that I need to stay alive?

That stuff works wonders for everyone else, I should try it.

Well let me say that it is significantly more important to keep ME alive. I haven't done much yet but i could prove useful in the future. :wink:


In any case, I am inclined to believe woad for the time being, if he is not guilty he is likely to be targeted soon enough by the mafia. If not, we have reason to suspect him in the future.

As for today, vote: Andres, you were very active in round one, where are you now?
(not much to go after now, so lets try to get a few lurkers out of their shells)

[Askthepizzaguy]

why white_eyes?

Speaking of Nightbringer, I don't know why, but this post strikes me as off somehow.

I'm just getting a weird vibe about NB. Until I can put it into words, I'm not sure if I should act on it. But I'm putting you on notice, Nightbringer.... you make my stomach churn and it baffles me.

[Nightbringer]

Speaking of Nightbringer, I don't know why, but this post strikes me as off somehow.

I'm just getting a weird vibe about NB. Until I can put it into words, I'm not sure if I should act on it. But I'm putting you on notice, Nightbringer.... you make my stomach churn and it baffles me.

wow, I confused ATPG,
I feel special...

As to that quoted post, i just dislike it when people vote or challenge without reason.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As to that quoted post, i just dislike it when people vote or challenge without reason.

Well okay, let's try to put it into words;

It's a very townie thing you're doing. Except it feels like it's the exact sort of specifically "townie" thing that people do when pretending to be townie.

It's like GH lecturing folks about the dangers of networking. Oh, an award for this man for his convincing concerned acting. It just feels like precisely the sort of behavior people expect you to perform like as townie.

The Jotun are undoubtedly trying to act as townie as possible, and from my perspective, the people who are trying too hard are GH and Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

Well okay, let's try to put it into words;

It's a very townie thing you're doing. Except it feels like it's the exact sort of specifically "townie" thing that people do when pretending to be townie.

It's like GH lecturing folks about the dangers of networking. Oh, an award for this man for his convincing concerned acting. It just feels like precisely the sort of behavior people expect you to perform like as townie.

The Jotun are undoubtedly trying to act as townie as possible, and from my perspective, the people who are trying too hard are GH and Nightbringer.

http://bdadv.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/haters_gonna_hate_10.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think so. That's out of character for you, Nightbringer.

Now you're just stealing memes to copy others. Did I hit too close to home?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm going to continue to Vote: Khazaar.

Wait a minute, there's not a case on him? There wasn't a case on Kagemusha in Mafia X either.

[TheLastDays]

I'm going to continue to Vote: Khazaar.

Wait a minute, there's not a case on him? There wasn't a case on Kagemusha in Mafia X either.

Argh you're doing the surprise Mafia thing all over again, but not this time, Mr. Hypnotize!

vote: GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

Argh you're doing the surprise Mafia thing all over again, but not this time, Mr. Hypnotize!

vote: GeneralHankerchief

Hey now, these two are entirely different things. I did have a legitimate reason for voting Blackadder in Surprise Mafia (just chose not to share it with anybody :tongue:). Here, I'm making a connection between this game and a successful mafioso strategy that was utilized in a recent Large game in hopes that the town will see the obvious wisdom in my reasoning and vote alongside me. Hopefully since Mafia X was a week ago and not 2+ years ago like Midgard II was, I won't be ignored twice. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: GeneralHankerchief

I don't need a case.

[GeneralHankerchief]

^ THE ABOVE POST WAS A JOKE TO ANY POTENTIAL BANDWAGONERS

-edit- stupid 30 posts per page :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, I was quite serious. GH has gone from advocating against networking to advocating against reasons for votes. Why should I lay out a case on GH? He's doing an excellent job himself.

[GeneralHankerchief]

When exactly did I advocate against reasoning for votes?

[Askthepizzaguy]

In this


I'm going to continue to Vote: Khazaar.

Wait a minute, there's not a case on him? There wasn't a case on Kagemusha in Mafia X either.

general vicinity.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In this case, "there's not a case on him" was meant as in "he hasn't yet accumulated enough posts for anyone to do an incriminating analysis of his posts", which was then affirmed by the comparison to Kagemusha in Mafia X, who played by a similar strategy, as you very well know.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As in I think he's a lurking mafioso.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't make me do a horrendous imitation of Reenk Roink, I can't pull it off.

Suffice it to say, there's so much bad logic there that I find you physically incapable of saying all that with a straight face unless you were trying to harm the town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No no, I'm interested. I truly and utterly fail to see how this logic is bad.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No no, I'm interested. I truly and utterly fail to see how this logic is bad.

Okay.

I really can't do this, by the way. And it will be even worse when Reenk inevitably disagrees with me but:

Begin Askthepizzaguy-as-Reenk mode
[Insert lots of words I honestly don't understand.]

And that's why I'm correct.

[Nightbringer]

*sits back with his box of cheez-its to watch the fun.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, assuming nobody else can properly articulate ATPG's muddled visions, I'm going to head off to sleep. Per the rules of general courtesy, please at least start a decent counter-bandwagon that I can join when I wake up and find 9 votes on me. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Begin Askthepizzaguy-as-Askthepizzaguy mode:


You're comparing Kagemusha in Mafia X as Emilio to Khazaar in Midgardsaga III as Khazaar.


Here's what's wrong with that:

1.) Two very different players
2.) Two different games
3.) Wildly different setups and mechanics
4.) Anonymous accounts

That's just for starters. And specifically, Khazaar is always the same sort of way. You can pick on his voting pattern or his wording or who he's supporting or not, but voting him because he hasn't posted a lot is like voting for him because his name starts with a K. It's not going to change from game to game, and as such, it's entirely flawed reasoning for a vote.

Could it be a correct vote? Sure. You could have horrible reasoning and still be right. But let's not kid ourselves that the reason you'd be right, if you were right, was based on such reasoning. You might as well say random.org told you to do it. That would at least acknowledge that you're not putting thought into the vote.

I can't be bothered to link to Reenk's refutation of some of my own less-good cases in the past, but essentially he's right about a lot of things. One of my biggest mistakes with SkyNet was trying to profile only mafia, not town as well, and not differentiating between players, just actions.

If player A self-votes, it's unusual and weird. If player B does it, it's not. Trying to base a case on Khazaar for reasoning that may or may not work for Kagemusha is a shot in the dark at best, but when its a case that basically says "Khazaar is behaving suspiciously too much like Khazaar" it's utter hogwash.

I know you're a better thinker than this, as townie and as mafia. So I find the previous exchange legitimately scummy, not just odd or unhelpful like your challenge toward me, or fakey, like your lecture about networking.

Die, die, die.

[GeneralHankerchief]

None of those points you made have anything to do with anything.

1) Since this seems to be the point you elaborated on, I'll address this in greater detail below.
2) Your Points 2 and 3 are exactly the same, but with different wording.
3) The fact that they are two dissimilar games does not change the fact that a lurker strategy can work in both.
4) I tried to think of a rebuttal to this, but upon further examination I realized that it's just another variation on Points 2 and 3.

So really you only made an argument based off two points, one of which I refuted in a sentence.

As for Point 1, yes, Khazaar and Kage are two very different players, I'll give you that. Khazaar's playstyle *is* always to lurk and stay below the radar, I recognize this. This is my reason for voting him. His behavior has not changed, so were I to use a behavioral analysis program like our dearly departed Skynet or some of Kommodus's older systems, Khazaar would show up as townie, or at the very least would be well under a standard deviation from his normal style. Khazaar's behavior has not changed. The town's behavior regarding lurkers, however, has. Mafia X demonstrated this. We are no longer as diligent in weeding out the lurkers as we were in the past, and Kage's survival to the end confirms this.

Now, you can argue with me until the metaphorical cows return to their outdoor domiciles the reasons for this, and feel free, if you want to. I don't think it was the anonymous accounts. They were still the same players behind the accounts. The players that knew (or used to know) that the lurkers had to die before the end so they didn't completely slip by.

So yes, Khazaar is fine. The town sentiment, however, is not. Khazaar has the same chance of being a mafioso as he always does. However, the town, its sentiment regarding lurkers apparently having swung in a different direction while my superior wisdom and I were not involved in any games for that long stretch of time, has less of chance of lynching him than usual and doing itself a favor. Hence my vote. Think of it as a benevolent figure, say a deity, showing a sign to the lesser beings that he watches over to demonstrate the error of their ways as opposed to going all Old Testament on them. :stupido:

[Askthepizzaguy]

None of those points you made have anything to do with anything.

1) Since this seems to be the point you elaborated on, I'll address this in greater detail below.
2) Your Points 2 and 3 are exactly the same, but with different wording.
3) The fact that they are two dissimilar games does not change the fact that a lurker strategy can work in both.
4) I tried to think of a rebuttal to this, but upon further examination I realized that it's just another variation on Points 2 and 3.

So really you only made an argument based off two points, one of which I refuted in a sentence.

2) Points 2 and 3 are not exactly the same. I'll elaborate.

Play in different games [with similar setups] can be based on the role distribution and based on the exact scenario at the time, say, if people are bandwagoning without reasoning and people's reaction to that, or if there's a lot of votes spread out and reactions to that. Same game setup, different situational aspects. Not accounted for with your comparison.

Now, 3) talks about [dissimilar games]. That adds a whole different can of worms to the reasoning why the comparison is flawed. You might be able to get away with lurking in a game where there's no investigators who can scan for night activity (there are in this game), you might be able to do it in a game without the Holmgang which basically amounts to a type of vigilantism which also exposes strength rating, and if you can't beat em by holmgang, you can still lynch. You might be able to do it in a game where there are no night time vigilantes, and I have reason to suspect we have some of those. And that's if Khazaar is lurking as a strategy. What about Andres? He dropped off the face of the planet. Could he have a momentary lapse in his RL situation that demands his attention? Is a day or two away from the computer lurking? Khazaar's behavior thus far, given what day it is, can't even be described as a definite strategy, or unusual.

Now, you can "refute" in a sentence anything I say if you just plainly dismiss it without reasoning. Anonymous accounts allow for unusual behavior to not get patterned. Kagemusha could get away with lurking because he wasn't kagemusha, he was Emilio. He could have been any number of usual-lurkers that had remained alive until near the end.

So yes, every one of my points had a purpose. Your rhetoric is skillful but poorly hides the fact that you had no real refutation, just an assertion that we should lynch lurkers.

All right, go ahead and vote Khazaar for his usual play because it might be dangerous as mafia. I'll vote for you because I find your principles situational and convenient. Giving your reason for a vote as a principled stand against lurkers is a nice way of not having to make up some fake analysis or give reasons someone can refute.

I'm taking a principled stand against GH, because he is dangerous as mafia. :clown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll address the bells and whistles of your post once I wake up.

However, there's one part:

Giving your reason for a vote as a principled stand against lurkers is a nice way of not having to make up some fake analysis or give reasons someone can refute.

There was one other reason why Khazaar stood out against the many. He seemed like the type that didn't know about this being Seamus's first game in centuries and thus was less likely to realize that offing him N1 was a :daisy: move. :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

Why not just vote for a lurker who is behaving more uncharacteristically? ____ knows we have enough lurkers so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why not just vote for a lurker who is behaving more uncharacteristically? ____ knows we have enough lurkers so far.

Because it's a principled stand against Khazaar, not a principled stand against unusual lurking.

[Nightbringer]

Because it's a principled stand against Khazaar, not a principled stand against unusual lurking.

What I am getting from GH is that he is taking a stand against lurking, and is targeting Khazaar because he is someone who would likely be left alone for it because of the reasons you have stated.
Lurking as normal behavior would be an easy way for mafia to hide and as such they are a possible threat. In a situation with little info to go on (day 3) why not try to put him on the spot and see how he reacts.

Of course, the extent to which GH is debating this does seem somewhat scummy.

If I were in his position, I probably would have just dropped it unless I were mafia, in which case I would obsess about not letting you have a point against me. That is just me though and GH is a much more skilled player than I.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There was one other reason why Khazaar stood out against the many. He seemed like the type that didn't know about this being Seamus's first game in centuries and thus was less likely to realize that offing him N1 was....


I have to re-read Seamus' death and see if there's any clue the Jotun did it. I admit I didn't read it fully the first time.

4 kills, 2 kills, 1 kill and at least 1 attempt that failed, I am not entirely certain all the kills are done by the Jotun. I think perhaps some gods or other roles exist which can kill.

If so, there will be false reasoning that someone is not Jotun because they'd never kill Seamus. I tend to agree that more of our veteran players would be overjoyed to see Seamus in action again and would leave him alone for that reason. But there are some rather important exceptions.

Exception: Example of the previous game, two veterans decided the kills by random.org. They could just shrug and say it was the will of the Force. This has happened before, it was effective, it could happen again.

Exception: Some players would love to have the alibi of "I'd never kill Seamus". This is Mafia, we're not taking each other to the prom. There will be dishonorable tactics and backstabbing and players will perform such actions with glee and its all perfectly acceptable. And if they get one over on us because they convinced us they'd never do such a thing, that is the essence of mafia.

So it's bogus. Those same peeps decrying Seamus' death will be the first to say it was a legit tactic once you find out they're scum and they did it, because they've pulled the same :daisy: before with a big grin on their face.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And on re-read it seems I cannot discern who was who.

Which brings me to my next point: I would do this myself when I get a moment but some of you are particularly good at it. Romanic/Tincow anyone else fitting the description of a good writeup analyser or cataloguer should break the writeups thus far down into their pertinent facts.

I'm not sure if the dead can tell us which dead person they were or if that's allowed, but the writeups do contain certain things which may become important, like the Frankish blade kill, the psychotic madman who seemed to be controlled as if by magic kill, and so on.

I'd like to say the kills are in order, and the names on the dead list are in order, but that's a dangerous assumption to make without knowing for sure. And with that note, I'll step down and go to sleep and allow for some pages where it's not just me talking to myself.

[Renata]

I think there is (evidence Seamus was a Jotun kill). One night zero, he and Seon were both killed by weird stuff, not like direct action someone stabbing someone else with a sword. The other two were more direct. Both night one deaths were weird stuff. I haven't looked at last night in any detail yet.

[Renata]

I want to vote for Khaan for this:


Vote: Classical Hero

Its day 2. Essentially you're telling us to give you plenty of free time and judge later? Nah, I don't think so. I've got all kinds of spook vibes from you.

It's a bad enough vote in itself, but that's compounded by its timing, which came *after* Tratorix and Autolycus had already done the same thing (I think after DE, too, though I'm not sure). If Tratorix is townie as I think he is, and if Autolycus is merely his usual Renata-scumdar-bait and not actually scum (which given he has ALSO now voted for Heimdall could well be the case -- Jotuns shouldn't be quite that suicidal), then Khaan had plenty of townie cover for his action. On top of that he doesn't just blame it on CH's high Holmgang score as the other two did, he actually tries to give a reason, only it's not really a reason.

And he's only posted twice all game, the other being a throwaway vote on day one.

Couple of votes on him would be loverly.

vote: Khaan

[Diamondeye]

Not bothering with the huuuge wall of texts between ATPG and GH, it's simply confusing me too much. Instead, I'll help Renata out with a Vote:Khaan.

And yeah, it looked like CH was a God... Bifrost is the rainbow bridge from Asgard. Whoever mentioned the Jotun's comment about eyesight might right that he was Odin, but Heimdall is the "Watching God"... If W&F hadn't claimed the role, I would think that was what the Jotun referred to. And I didn't even see the Holmgang, was it edited into a former post?

[Andres]

Vote : abstain


Sorry for the lack of activity, RL is taking its' toll.

[TinCow]

I was using my challenges as an extra way of ruling out who was Loki since Loki has to accept a challenge from me.

What's your beef with Loki? Are you claiming he is scum?


No, I was quite serious. GH has gone from advocating against networking to advocating against reasons for votes. Why should I lay out a case on GH? He's doing an excellent job himself.

Point of order, what exactly is wrong about advocating against networking?

[TheLastDays]

Err... guys, what you seem to miss about the last Holmgang, is that the bystander didn't get killed. He won the duel, which means Kagemusha was the man from Romsdal who got killed in the Holmgang, the bystander must be woad&fangs or something very strange happened in that last duel.

[Reenk Roink]

In the footsteps of the two Per's (Pär's to be precise): vote: Khaazar (though I hate voting for lurkers, just let me holmgang them)


No, I was quite serious. GH has gone from advocating against networking to advocating against reasons for votes. Why should I lay out a case on GH? He's doing an excellent job himself.

GH has become enlightened you mean. He is WELL on his way to attaining godhood. :bow: :wink:

From The Campground:


You dare ask for explanations for votes!?!?!?! :stare:

It is surely an incontrovertible maxim of Mafia games and of life itself that seeking explanations for actions is the surest way to fall into manifest error. For it is clear that any introspection for reasons behind our motives are themselves laden with various biases, observational vantages, and theoretical paradigms which lead to significant distortion. Not only this, but surely it must be admitted that a complete and comprehensive account of explanation for anything at all is simply not cognoscible! The explanandum and explanans are both infinite whereas our minds are simply finite.

And, despite this, you demand from our inherently flawed selves these inherently flawed casuistries for votes with a brazen foolishness that knows no limit (or perhaps they are sought with a cognizant malevolence? :inquisitive:)!

Whatever the case may be, I am quite certain you need to be killed off. In fact, I will now make it my primary goal of this game to do so. :knight

But yes, I strongly advise ANY godhood applicants not to vote for GH (just yet). You know who you are :stare:.

[Reenk Roink]

What's your beef with Loki? Are you claiming he is scum?

Loki is Heimdall's nemesis, and Heimdall has a personal goal to duel Loki and kill him. In Midgard I, I was Loki (with ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS THANKS SIGURD :mean:) and my role PM specifically stated that someone was after me. And lo and behold, as soon as I reveal Seamus reveals himself and duels me. His duel takes priority over all other duels, and he barely beats me by the slimmest of margins because I was caught eying a princess who was 1 million times better looking than Gyda.

Things might have changed in this game, namely I believe Loki has real powers now, and that might be why he's been an extreme disappointment in the game, and chooses to hide.

There's no question that Heimdall is a good guy and valuable for the town with his investigations. Someone said Loki was "evil" before and I take issue with that because if you examine the other Norse gods behavior, they are all pretty bad guys from out moral standards, but Heimdall is the best of them.


Point of order, what exactly is wrong about advocating against networking?

Town networking can be hugely successful in some games (Like Buffyverse where it was basically super imbalanced to the town to begin with), but it can be a liability here where you undoubtedly have given cover PMs. I think GH is trying to make the case against the latter, though I'm not sure why he hates it so much. Bad experience?

[TinCow]

Loki is Heimdall's nemesis, and Heimdall has a personal goal to duel Loki and kill him. In Midgard I, I was Loki (with ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS THANKS SIGURD :mean:) and my role PM specifically stated that someone was after me. And lo and behold, as soon as I reveal Seamus reveals himself and duels me. His duel takes priority over all other duels, and he barely beats me by the slimmest of margins because I was caught eying a princess who was 1 million times better looking than Gyda.

Things might have changed in this game, namely I believe Loki has real powers now, and that might be why he's been an extreme disappointment in the game, and chooses to hide.

There's no question that Heimdall is a good guy and valuable for the town with his investigations. Someone said Loki was "evil" before and I take issue with that because if you examine the other Norse gods behavior, they are all pretty bad guys from out moral standards, but Heimdall is the best of them.

Thanks for the info, I knew there had been some issue with Loki in the first game, but in game two he was just a straight pro-town role. It looks like Loki has never been scum in he previous incarnations of this series, despite his canon reputation for mischief.


I think GH is trying to make the case against the latter, though I'm not sure why he hates it so much. Bad experience?

It was my impression that he's been generally anti-network for a long time, though I admit I haven't been in a game with him for a while. Anti-network GH is default GH as far as I am concerned.

[Diamondeye]

Err... guys, what you seem to miss about the last Holmgang, is that the bystander didn't get killed. He won the duel, which means Kagemusha was the man from Romsdal who got killed in the Holmgang, the bystander must be woad&fangs or something very strange happened in that last duel.

Reading over the writeup, this seems correct; There is some confusion at first, but it has no relation to the Kagemusha-Glyphz switch.

[Reenk Roink]

Thanks for the info, I knew there had been some issue with Loki in the first game, but in game two he was just a straight pro-town role. It looks like Loki has never been scum in he previous incarnations of this series, despite his canon reputation for mischief.

In Game 1, Loki was allowed to choose which side he wanted to be on, Town or Jotun (I choose Jotun).

I'm not sure that this choice existed in Game 2, I know glyphz played it protown. Whether that was a choice or a given role, you know better than me.

I think Sigurd is drawing more on Midgard 2 this "classic" style game, and I believe that mainly because the holmgang scores are game 2 style rather than game 1 where humans had a chance to defeat gods. But then again, the Heimdall looking for Loki hails from game 1, did this also exist in game 2?

[TheLastDays]

He could very well have made a "mix" of the two games for this anniversary. I think we're going down the wrong route by trying to figure out things by comparing them to the first two games in the series. There is no guarantee that it's not completely different this time around.

Another thing: I'm not an expert on norse mythology but aren't the Jotun supposed to be ice giants? What's with all the fire in N0 and N1 killings?

[TinCow]

In Game 1, Loki was allowed to choose which side he wanted to be on, Town or Jotun (I choose Jotun).

I'm not sure that this choice existed in Game 2, I know glyphz played it protown. Whether that was a choice or a given role, you know better than me.

I think Sigurd is drawing more on Midgard 2 this "classic" style game, and I believe that mainly because the holmgang scores are game 2 style rather than game 1 where humans had a chance to defeat gods. But then again, the Heimdall looking for Loki hails from game 1, did this also exist in game 2?

I have no idea if Loki had a choice in game 2. glyphz claimed he was pure pro-town, but that was in-game and I don't remember if there was any post-game confirmation of that claim.

Heimdall was not in game 2. There, the gods were Odin, Thor, and Loki. However, there was a Christian faction which I think was at odds with the Gods as well in some manner (while still being pro-town). That may have served the same 'town in-fighting' purposes that the Loki/Heimdall thing did in game 1.

[B-Wing]

Another thing: I'm not an expert on norse mythology but aren't the Jotun supposed to be ice giants? What's with all the fire in N0 and N1 killings?

I don't know if all Jotun necessarily correspond to any particular element, but there are at least two different kinds of elemental Jotun: Frost Giants (who reside in Niflheim) and Fire Giants (who reside in Muspelheim).


And I didn't even see the Holmgang, was it edited into a former post?

There's a separate thread for the holmgang write-ups now.


Didn't you strongly hint you needed to stay alive?

And weren't there others who did the same sort of thing? This is a phenomenon with this whole game. Glass houses, B_Ray.

I didn't actually reveal my role, though, which seemed a bit extreme. It's one thing to say "I'm important and should stay alive" and another to say "I'm an Aesir and here's my character info".

Anyone have a tally?

[Death is yonder]

Voting for Khazaar based on his lurking translating into possibly being someone who killed Seamus is just odd reasoning, and the discourse between GH and pizza isn't sufficient to form a decent conclusion yet IMO, so lets see what barking up this tree yields.

Vote: Khaan

[TheLastDays]

There ya go:

issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)

khazaar: 2 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)

Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)

Abstain: 2 (n0rg3 Roink, Andres)

[TinCow]

I've got to go run some errands. Should be back later to change my vote, but just in case...

Vote: ATPG

Something about his exchange with GH seemed off to me. It had a whiff of intentional exaggeration about it.

[Chaotix]

Hrm...

Keeping my vote atm to preserve this tie.

I think Reenk is Loki.

[TheLastDays]

Which tie are you talking about? khaan is in the lead with 4 votes

[Earthling]

I'd like to say the kills are in order, and the names on the dead list are in order, but that's a dangerous assumption to make without knowing for sure.

This seems very obvious and likely from basic reading and it's in the writeups, so yes, it should be true.

The lead from the last night is being a bit overlooked, I'd also agree on that. Holmgang was a big deal and all the possible cases and knowledge about yesterday and classical's death, I get that that's important, just don't forget to follow up on this too. Naked-serial-killerish guy failed to kill someone, which could easily be a god or scum as why he would fail to kill a townie is unknown, and we don't know who he is nor who he attacked.

[TheLastDays]

What if it's some kind of a random-ability role? A guy who can do good but might also kill someone?

The last Holmgang needs looking into. We had a challenge by W&F on glyphz. Somehow Kage replaced glyphz and died against an enemy who has a Holmgang score of at least 10, while Kage himself obviously had a 5.
In the writeup though it looks like W&F was like a bystander that stepped in and then killed Kage. So the writeup itself didn't point at any replacement done between glyphz and Kage.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally is off, Reenk voted for Khazaar.

khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.

[TheLastDays]

Right.


issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)

khazaar: 3 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief, n0rg3 Roink)

GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Chaotix, TinCow)

n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

[Believer]

There's no question that Heimdall is a good guy and valuable for the town with his investigations. Someone said Loki was "evil" before and I take issue with that because if you examine the other Norse gods behavior, they are all pretty bad guys from out moral standards, but Heimdall is the best of them.


Point of order, your honor!
Isn't Loki destined to lead the forces of evil against the Gods on Ragnarök? If not I apologize.

[Tratorix]

Tally is off, Reenk voted for Khazaar.

khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.

Khaan's activity is pretty much always limited. :wink:

I don't particularly care for any of these cases. I haven't played a game here in a while, but GH has always been staunchly anit-network, and since that very strategy blew up in the towns face in midgard 2, it's applicable here. Khaan and Khazaar lurking isn't really news either and I think it's a bit too early to start the "lynch the lurkers" campaign. So, I'm gonna Vote: ATPG. The fact that he's going after GH so strongly on this kinda bugs me.

[TinCow]

Naked-serial-killerish guy failed to kill someone, which could easily be a god or scum as why he would fail to kill a townie is unknown, and we don't know who he is nor who he attacked.

My impression was that the target (Arnvid Torarinsson) was protected. I believe this based on this bit "felt especially rejuvenated but tired all the same." Note that the Arnvid appears to survive due to having a lot of energy. IIRC, the protection in Midgard 2 involved giving a player an amulet for the night. The amulet was kind of a 'buff' which temporarily increased their Holmgang score and made them immune to being killed for the night. It worked the opposite way on the Jotun, decreasing their Holmgang score and preventing them from making any attacks.

[Kagemusha]

No better thing then death in battle. W&F if you are what you say you are, you better re adjust your tactics, before you make worse mistakes. About my death. Im not quite sure what even the rules concerning dead players are, but with all these very strange theories, maybe people are neglecting the obvious explanation for my death. I think that so far we the town have started this game awfully and the current trend of lynching ATPG is just continuoty of that bad trend.

Also maybe with all this fire.We are not facing Jotun this time but demons fromMuspellheim the fireworld? Maybe its Surtur and his cronies we are facing this time?

[glyphz]

What's d deal w pro town roles risking exposure w random holmgang . That just caused their demise, as wel as cost me my buddy.
vote: abstain
anyway, Im at wits end just typin this on a coworkers' phone. Don't plan on rereadimg d thread & voting on some1 til I get home. Besides,my coworker now has this impatient look, demanding her phone back.
Oh and mr. Roink... Don't drop the ball now.

[Khazaar]

Voting for me is OK, voting for me because I´m lurking is odd at the least. There are a few people who haven´t voted at all, if I would start to clean up the lurkers I would start with them because Sigurd clearly stated that Mafia will not be WOGged unlike Townies. Theres bound to be a Mafiosi under those sick/busyrl/other people. Also to presume that I would off Seamus because I don´t know that he hasn´t played in a while is really far out there as an explanation.

Vote: General Hankerchief

[Sigurd]

I guess we are well into overtime. I say we close this day.

[Romanic]

I say, vote: Khazaar

I'm late sorry.

[thefluffyone93]

I don't think so. That's out of character for you, Nightbringer.

Now you're just stealing memes to copy others. Did I hit too close to home?

Stealing is very rude......

[Sigurd]

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Day 3




The tally was finally produced and the Hovgod took a look at it:

Tally:

issaikhaan : 4 (B_Ray, DiY, Diamond, Renata)

Askthepizzaguy : 3 (Chaotix, TinCow, Tratorix)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (ATPG, Khazaar, TheLastDays)
Khazaar : 3 (GH, Reenk, WE:D)
Andres : 1 (Nightbringer)
Chaotix : 1 (Thefluff)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Beliver)
woad&fangs : 1 (autolycus)


Abstain: 2 (Andres, glyphz)
Not voting : 5 (ELITE, ‘khaan, Robbie, Romanic(late), w&f)


Interesting, it seems you are fond of choosing a particular brand of trade in your blames.
Could Gunnvald Jardarsson please step forward? A gasp could be heard from the retinue from Fjordane. A hulking man strode from their midst, steel cold eyes and a sure step. This was a renowned fighter who had served in Constantinople as a guard. Blood for blood I am afraid; The Hovgod walked slowly around Gunnvald. Any last words? Gunnvald looked at the Hovgod with steel blue eyes and then to the retinue of Fjordane. Take care of him for me will ya? The Retinue from Fjordane all accepted with a clap to their right shoulder and a vocal; Aye.
Gunnvald turned to the Hovgod, voice going rather raspy ice cold. Do your deed and give my salutations to “sorgvarsler”. The Hovgod snapped to, looking inquiringly into the ice cold eyes of Gunnvald before letting a little smirk appear. Maybe you are lucky and will find yourself at the table of our Allfather, you could bring your own salutations. And by that the Hovgod produced a sharp knife in his right hand and with a fluid motion cut deep into Gunnvald’s throat.
Gunnvald couldn’t utter another word and grabbed his throat trying to staunch the life flowing out between his fingers. Soon he lost conscience and thumped to the ground.

Was this the man responsible for the murders? The Hovgod looked out over the crowd; I think you chose badly this day. Now to business...

Challenges and PMs people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs


Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)

[Reenk Roink]

Good god... :no:

[Chaotix]

Looks like we lynched another champion. Brilliant.

Challenge: Renata

[TheLastDays]

Very well done...

I'd like to see if your role PM was true

Challenge: Tratorix

[White_eyes:D]

Challenge:Diamondeye I hold both Renata and Dimondeye responsible for this.:stare:

[Renata]

*sigh*

[Tratorix]

Really?

[Renata]

Really what, Tratorix. Don't hold back, tell me whwat you really think.

[Tratorix]

Really what, Tratorix. Don't hold back, tell me whwat you really think.

:stare: :dizzy2: :furious3: :wall: :shame:

[Renata]

Yeah, me too.

[classical_hero]

I can see that no one is talking to no one. Seriously guys you need to get your at together. People should have been contacting me while I waas alive, but that did not happen and the more time spet on not talking to each other, the more chance the Jotun will win.

[thefluffyone93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[B-Wing]

Well at least the king wasn't executed. :yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Well at least the king wasn't executed. :yes:
Just so you know. I blame Diamondeye and Renata most for jumping on the Khaan bandwagon to save Pizzaguy.

But you and Death is Yonder need to be dead over yonder for helping them.:veryangry:

I really wish I could send out more then one challenge.:mean:

[B-Wing]

Helping? I cast the first vote, and didn't really expect it to pick up any steam. He'd only made two posts in the game, so I didn't see any reason not to pressure him a little. In hindsight, of course, it's quite regrettable.

[Tratorix]

Just so you know. I blame Diamondeye and Renata most for jumping on the Khaan bandwagon to save Pizzaguy.

But you and Death is Yonder need to be dead over yonder for helping them.:veryangry:

I really wish I could send out more then one challenge.:mean:

I will help! Challenge: Death Is Yonder

[Tratorix]

nvm

[Reenk Roink]

:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Tratorix I love how you mock them with your unduelable self.

[White_eyes:D]

Helping? I cast the first vote, and didn't really expect it to pick up any steam.
You never cast a vote, without being sure your going to lynch someone....unless it's a joke vote.:grin2:

Your making me think your a Jotun trying to stay under the radar by being in plain sight...good job if so.~:cheers:

[B-Wing]

:inquisitive: I thought it was quite common to vote for people with low heat to see how they will respond.

I've had one too many adult beverages to make a better response at the moment, but you're second comment doesn't make any sense. Nice smiley, though! ~:cheers:

[White_eyes:D]

Not really, Khaan is on vacation. I doubt he would go to his lynch without voting for someone.:brood:

Your giving off a "trying too hard to look like a townie" vibe. Try doing something about it.:bow:

[B-Wing]

Well how was I supposed to know he's only vacation? Regardless, he could of been Jotun. And I'll look like a townie all I want.

[Chaotix]

I can see that no one is talking to no one. Seriously guys you need to get your at together. People should have been contacting me while I waas alive, but that did not happen and the more time spet on not talking to each other, the more chance the Jotun will win.

Vote: classical_hero

[White_eyes:D]

khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.
Guess you missed that, huh?:smartass:

[Sigurd]

Remember - this is night phase. No need to vote. Only challenges are accepted at this time. Yeah, and Night activity PMs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

These rounds are so short. I could have stopped that one if I hadn't been afk. I found out Khaan was a champion yesterday when he was put up as a possible lynch to save classical_hero, and that's why I didn't press for khaan after that.

It's possible one of those who wagoned khaan also knew about it, and did it deliberately.

[glyphz]

For the record, Loki was indeed specifically pro-town in Midgard II.
I thought at first Loki would return as pro-town again, but not anymore. Heimdall's return, plus his intention to challenge Loki gives me pause to believe Loki may not necessarily be pro-town this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan's activity is pretty much always limited. :wink:

I don't particularly care for any of these cases. I haven't played a game here in a while, but GH has always been staunchly anit-network, and since that very strategy blew up in the towns face in midgard 2, it's applicable here. Khaan and Khazaar lurking isn't really news either and I think it's a bit too early to start the "lynch the lurkers" campaign. So, I'm gonna Vote: ATPG. The fact that he's going after GH so strongly on this kinda bugs me.

Challenge: Tratorix

I stuck my neck out for you for no reason, after I said I wasn't going to bother, simply because I thought lynching you because you were not classical_hero was a terrible idea.

Now I find you trying to kill me. At least do it honorably, on the field of battle, you TRAITOR-IX!

[White_eyes:D]

Your aware he can't be dueled, right?:book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your aware he can't be dueled, right?:book:

No, I wasn't. Someone point me to where this was made public.

[Death is yonder]

Just so you know. I blame Diamondeye and Renata most for jumping on the Khaan bandwagon to save Pizzaguy.

But you and Death is Yonder need to be dead over yonder for helping them.:veryangry:

I really wish I could send out more then one challenge.:mean:

Well I plead guilty to being (perpetually) busy and semi-lazy but nothing else :embarassed:

Pizza does seem to be trying a bit too hard to be unpredictable but hey, its something that I thought he does whatever his alignment.

In any case, challenging me will only impede overall progress, and with the game's clearly demonstrated (N1) capacity for high amount of kills, I don't think that wantonly challenging is going to serve the town's end more than the Jotun's. Or at least while challenges are still flowing left right center on a whim.



I can see that no one is talking to no one. Seriously guys you need to get your at together.

It has been mentioned somewhere that the Gods are possibly neutral which might have gotten in the way of that (not too sure about the timing of that statement in relation to your death though), of course you can't confirm that, but perhaps Heimdall is a viable alternative?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm trying a bit too hard to do something, and I'm failing miserably at it.

Knowing who a lot of these power players are isn't doing a darned thing to keep them alive. Trying to save them just exposes them further.

The alternative, just allowing them to die, is no better as it doesn't lynch any Jotun.

Overall very frustrating in general. I blame the hankerchief.

[White_eyes:D]

Anyone we speaks against duels is just scummy as can be. Duels only kill one person and not everyone involved.:stare:

Loki was killed by a duel in the first Midgard after all. Death is Yonder is now on the top of my "Must duel" list.

[Death is yonder]

Well excuse me for not being around at the time and not having read through the threads :tongue:

I'm saying that with the already present capacity for high kill rates, wantonly dishing out challenges as opposed to lets say, agreement on which suspects should be duking it out is not very helpful.

I honestly don't see the problem with that statement :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Keep in mind that challenges against Jotun are probably not going to kill them unless youre a god yourself.

I'm not sure what the best strategy is for challenging, in the "trying to solve the game" sense. Cannon fodder roles might do challenges as a feeler, and then we just lynch whoever comes up as Jotun-level strength.

Come to think of it, why wouldn't the Jotun just claim a God? Are we going to lynch all the gods?

I'm tired and these questions are not going to make me sound any more innocent. Oh well.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Overall very frustrating in general. I blame the hankerchief.

You've seemed rather jumpy at me for the entire game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You've seemed rather jumpy at me for the entire game.

I hope you have some kind of power role which justifies how off you're behaving. If not scum, then at least be a god or something.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm sure the little network which you were so reluctant to join will be able to find out all about me soon enough. :laugh4:

But in all seriousness, I've settled into my roles for this game, one of which is quite familiar. The first one is the town's Cassandra, a thankless role I admit, but personally satisfying. The other is your convenient little bogeyman, an entirely nonthreatening figure but because I'm not marching in lockstep with everybody else means I'm Threat #1 To The Safety And Sanctity Of The Town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just be Loki, and it will all make sense. That's all I really want.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm sure the little network which you were so reluctant to join will be able to find out all about me soon enough. :laugh4:

But in all seriousness, I've settled into my roles for this game, one of which is quite familiar. The first one is the town's Cassandra, a thankless role I admit, but personally satisfying. The other is your convenient little bogeyman, an entirely nonthreatening figure but because I'm not marching in lockstep with everybody else means I'm Threat #1 To The Safety And Sanctity Of The Town.

We look after our own. :bow:

https://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9417/75621706.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/75621706.png/)

[Reenk Roink]

Per Djoos, Per Gessle:

https://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1816/35583571.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/35583571.png/)

https://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9417/75621706.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/75621706.png/)
:bow:

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA SIGURD YOU THOUGHT YOUR PM RESTRICTION WOULD HINDER US?

[Sigurd]

That's what I get for telling you which fonts I used.

Well... as I say to my kids, actions carries consequences. :sneaky:

[Sigurd]

Did I mention that I got 'A Dance with Dragons' for my birthday? :beam:

[TinCow]

Per Djoos, Per Gessle:
...


You are a bad man and you should feel bad.

[Believer]

Did I mention that I got 'A Dance with Dragons' for my birthday? :beam:

Congratulations! When was your birthday? =)
Mine was yesterday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On further review, I'd like to point my finger at Diamondeye, and erase all the other names off my board.

I get a cold chill whenever I read his posts. That says a lot, considering we're freaking Vikings.

[Sigurd]

Congratulations! When was your birthday? =)
Mine was yesterday.
16th

[Diamondeye]

Well how was I supposed to know he's only vacation?

Exactly my sentiments. Dragging lurkers with us to the lategame, especially with the "no WoG for Jotun" is not a particularly good idea. We could've lynched much worse despite Khaan's apparent championness.


Your aware he can't be dueled, right?:book:

Please explain whether this is just a joke or you're somehow privy to info that I can't find in public... Because I was about to repeat my challenge to him for his bad roleclaim.


Well I plead guilty to being (perpetually) busy and semi-lazy but nothing else :embarassed:

Me too, I'm afraid. Still haven't read the huge wall-of-text exchange between Pizza and GH(?). It's the Earthling syndrome, methinks.


Did I mention that I got 'A Dance with Dragons' for my birthday? :beam:

Congratulations and also no spoilers :stare:


On further review, I'd like to point my finger at Diamondeye, and erase all the other names off my board.

I get a cold chill whenever I read his posts. That says a lot, considering we're freaking Vikings.

Playing the odds? That doesn't look like you, Pizza, and it's just going to waste another lynch, I'm afraid. At least I'm active, even if I'm somewhat confuzzled.

I'd still like to see Tratorix hang. And I'm nerveous about W_E's reckless challenge. Someone, hide me! :curtain:

[woad&fangs]

Challenge: autolycus

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Challenge: Askthepizzaguy

:knight:

[Tratorix]

Please explain whether this is just a joke or you're somehow privy to info that I can't find in public... Because I was about to repeat my challenge to him for his bad roleclaim.

You'll find out soon enough. :grin:

[Diamondeye]

You'll find out soon enough. :grin:

Is it too late to Challenge: Tratorix then?

[seireikhaan]

Well. Could have been a worse Lynch. Could have been a lot better. Not gonna blame ppl for lynching super Lurker, wish pizza had been able to intervene. Global.

[GeneralHankerchief]

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/a121a121.gif

[Sigurd]

These are the challenges:

1. Chaotix vs. Renata
2. TheLastDays vs. Tratorix
3. White_eyes:D vs Diamondeye
4. Tratroix vs. Death is Yonder
5. Askthepizzaguy vs. Tratorix
6. ELITEOFKWARMAN88GINGERBREADMAN vs. Askthepizzaguy


The one who will be fought is:
[roll0]

I just realized that w&f had just fought in the last Holmgang and therefore are disqualified for today challenges.
Therefore the fight will be :

6. ELITEOFKWARMAN88GINGERBREADMAN vs. Askthepizzaguy

[Sigurd]

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Midgardsaga_black_logo.png


Round 4

Night 4





Holmgang 3 results (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053344875&viewfull=1#post2053344875)



The camps were not particularly happy about the fact that they had chosen poorly in the last execution. They wanted to find scapegoats and accusations flew across camps. Some took to pushing and shoving. One man from Rogaland got a bit exited and knocked down a Hålogaland man with a high hook. The man from Hålogaland bled from the nose. When the others around saw it, they all circled the two hooting for more blood. The man from Hålogaland looked over to where the Hovgod stood and saw that he was nodding. Blood for blood.
The Rogaland man saw it too and drew a battle axe from his belt and attacked at once. Coming at full speed, the man from Hålogaland was not able to even draw his own fine specimen of steel. The Rogaland man shouldered the man from Hålogoaland who went down in a heap. The axe followed suit and grazed the shoulder of the man from Hålogaland who tried to squirm out of this dangerous position. He kicked the legs under from the Rogaland man and got up blade ready. The Rogaland man got to his own feet, but he was a bit too late as the man from Hålogaland was ready with a tri-combination that left wounds and finally a pierced heart. The man from Rogaland slumped dead to the ground.


Evening was again upon the camps and people started to settle in, but not this particular man. He ate with his companions and when they were all slumbering he arose and went searching for a particular camp. When he finally found it, he settled down beside a large fir tree watching the sleeping men. He suddenly heard a dark and sinister laughter behind him. That was strange he should have normally heard them approaching from miles away. He turned to find two yellow eyes hanging in the darkness. He heard something to his left but before he could react a trident came flying through the air, catching his frail body and sending it impaled on the trident clear across the camp and pinned him to a large boulder. His body was broken from the rather rough treatment and he could barely move. He could hear them clearly now, walking towards him, deep ragged breaths, the stink of the underworld all around them.
He could do nothing but steeled himself all the same. A dark but gentle voice talked first. It was as if heard a small storm communicating with him. You were quite foolish to brandish your powers so in that fight. Did you think we wouldn’t notice? A darker brutal voice echoed; Yeah... quite amateurish of you.. ha ha. The bigger shadow moved closer and the stench of Jotun was gushing out of his breath. Tell Odin, Loki says Hi and deliver him this message: This time, Midgard is mine.
The big shadow stretched forth a huge hand and enveloped his upper torso. Now, die!! The big shadow squeezed and he could feel the shoulders giving in, being crushed into his body. Then his ribcage gave in and he could feel the inner organs being pierced by bone fragments. The broken ribs started poking holes in his body and organs and blood was squeezed out of them. This body was dying. The huge shadow moved his index finger up around his neck and with a flick snapped his neck. He was suddenly somewhere else looking over the Bitterfrost Bridge. That was just too bad; maybe he shouldn’t have intensified his search for the Jotun by challenging the weak humans.

Hundfjord Mørekonge was tired but he just had to empty his bladder before turning in. The forest around him was relatively quiet, only the sound of the night birds and a hooting owl could be heard. But there was another noise too. Someone was moving purposeful but hasty towards him. He eased his muscles, readying himself for the attacker who suddenly burst out of some bushes. Hundfjord was surprised; You? Wha... He wasn’t able to finish before he had to duck under what seemed like a well known Frankish blade. The hilt of ivory and gold spoke of a gift from the Emperor of Byzantine. The rest of the man was however not right. His eyes were wild and there was some foaming around his mouth. And he didn’t were a shirt on his naked upper body. Hunfjord had not taken off his own Frankish blade and it was soon out of its sheath, ready. He tried to block the next swing, but the strength behind it was amazing. It just knocked his own blade aside and slammed it broadside into his shoulder.
This was not good. Hundfjord tried to counter but the speed of this man was to great and the strength nearly inhuman. He couldn’t block the overhand slash that took his head clean off his shoulders.

Morning broke and the dead King of Nordmøre was found beheaded in the forest. This was not good. The Nordmøre camp was in tatters and they wanted to Holmgang everybody. The Hovgod had to use all his persuasive powers to calm them down. When he felt that they were calm enough, he admonished the rest of the camp to really but their small grey to good use and find these bastards responsible for these murders.

Vote, people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
Diamondeye
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D



Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
Death is Yonder (N4)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)

[Askthepizzaguy]

That was rather satisfying, actually. It's not like you didn't ask for it, Warman.

[Reenk Roink]

That's what I get for telling you which fonts I used.

Well... as I say to my kids, actions carries consequences. :sneaky:

Well certainly you didn't believe the request was simply mere flattery. I wanted it to forge role PMs. But that's child's play with this. :2thumbsup:


You are a bad man and you should feel bad.

You don't like Roxette? Stop being so buisnesslike and angsty TinCow and enjoy yourself. :balloon2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFNRh26TPmM :party2: