Large Mafia Game Midgardsaga III [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 5

Sigurd

07-21-2011, 23:37

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Day 5

The voting this day was permeated by indecision. People didn’t know who to vote for and many changed their vote several times. The Hovgod paced back and forth. The allotted time was long past. May I have the tally please, he asked.
The one carrying the tally had to make some last adjustments. The tally was finally presented:

Diamondeye : 5 (Chaotix, Khazaar, TheFluff, WE:D, Tratorix)

Romanic : 3 (ATPG, Roink, TheLastDays)
Diamondeye : 2 (Believer, Renata)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (TinCow)

Not voting : 6 (Andres, autolycus, Diamondeye, glyphz, robbiecon, Romanic)

Are these the legal votes? They were. Some had wanted to change their votes in the last minutes before the deadline and some later. These are the votes that were lodged within time.
Ok... Let’s have a look.
Well it is decisive. One candidate is clearly in the lead, all though you tried to change this candidate in the very last minutes.
I guess that means you Dagfinn Jølster Smedvig of Nordmøre. There were not many from Nordmøre left. They had lost both champion and king. This was their last Veteran.
The Hovgod gave a quick nod to the bowman from the last execution. Yes Dagfinn, would you be so kind as to assist me up here? The large veteran looked around suspiciously but went up to the Hovgod all the same. His eyes was hard and had an inner light. The Hovgod knew well who this was. Yes... I mean to ask you.. The Hovgod made the sign that the bowman was waiting for. The bowman strung an arrow and released in one fluid motion and the arrow found its mark. Right through the heart of Dagfinn.
Dagfinn growled but could not act. He tried to speak, but blood fountained up his throat and choked him. The Hovgod grabbed the jaw of the dying man; Say hello to my daughter will ya?
Dagfinn found himself looking back at Midgard. A sweet woman’s voice came from behind him. Well, well, well, if it isn’t a large and handsome lad, come to visit me. Tell me your story. Dagfinn turned and looked into the eyes of a voluptuous black haired woman. Maybe this wasn’t too bad at all...

Challenge & PMs people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
Chaotix
glyphz
Khazaar
Reenk Roink
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
B_Ray (N5)
Believer (N5)
Renata (N5)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Nightbringer (D4)
Diamondeye (D5)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)
GeneralHankerchief (H4)

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 23:41

Challenge:TinCow:bow:

thefluffyone93

07-21-2011, 23:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 23:53

Challenge: Andres

TinCow

07-22-2011, 00:00

Challenge:TinCow:bow:

Daddy! The creepy man is trying to touch me!

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 00:01

I demand that several gods challenge me.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 00:02

Daddy! The creepy man is trying to touch me!
Hard to take that seriously, when you killed a battle-hardened King.:sweatdrop:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 00:04

Somehow, this is all Lord Winter's fault.

thefluffyone93

07-22-2011, 00:05

I demand that several gods challenge me.

I demand you challenge me to a trolling contest!

Reenk Roink

07-22-2011, 00:05

Why haven't I done this yet?

Challenge: n0rg3 Roink

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 00:06

Why haven't I done this yet?

Challenge: n0rg3 Roink

:applause:

This has worked before, btw. It was awesome then, it shall be awesome now.

TinCow

07-22-2011, 00:07

Hard to take that seriously, when you killed a battle-hardened King.:sweatdrop:

Take what seriously? That you're creepy or that you're trying to touch me?

Tratorix

07-22-2011, 00:08

Challenge: Chaotix :shrug:

Renata

07-22-2011, 00:14

Shoulda joined my cult when I offered. You know the reason I didn't ask you in the first place Renata? Because of the Council of Villains snub. Yeah, I still hold the grudge. :mean:

*tries to even remember Council of Villains, fails*

I guess I'm just not that into you. :curtain:

Earthling

07-22-2011, 00:25

Somehow, this is all Takhisis's fault.

fixed

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 00:30

Take what seriously? That you're creepy or that you're trying to touch me? That you would even think I would try to do so. I mean, you are our "Helen of Troy".:clown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kQhG_uVu6U
Enough wars have started for this :Insert degrading comment here:

TinCow

07-22-2011, 00:43

Typical man. Insulting a woman he has no possible chance of wooing, simply because he's too :daisy: ugly, he smells, he's got no job, he lives with his mother, and he's got a small... axe.

autolycus

07-22-2011, 00:45

Well Roink, if you want to be challenged that badly I suppose I can oblige you.
Challenge n0rg3 roink

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 01:18

Typical man. Who I admire greatly and would run away with him if giving the chance. I don't think daddy would like that though, he hates it when I do that. :smoking:

Romanic

07-22-2011, 05:45

Challenge ATPG

At least I got the 6th challenge. Let me die like a King, not being lynched by my friends.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 06:09

Here's my case against Romanic. And I admit, it's not great, and it's mostly circumstantial.

1) He claimed King or Champion to me very early on in the game. He's also been known to myself and Believer since Khaan's death as Khaan's claimed king.
2) He was interested to know who was a god, asked me about B_Ray, he wanted to know who Renata was, asked me about her role. He continually tried to get me to claim who the other folks were. Said I could trust him since he's a King.
3) He has known for a long time that I'm not a King. That's one reason I think why I'm not dead, but I think it was fairly obvious to anyone paying attention that I'm not a King. Still you have to hope for an error.
4) He pressed hard for roles last night in particular, right before this all went down.

My King's identity should be very safe. I won't reveal if I've avoided talking about him, accused him, or whatever. It just could be anyone here and I don't believe I've revealed it to anyone, that I can recall. if any, I think maybe Classical.... not sure.

Since claiming King I asked TLD to assume the role of "my champion".

Basically, Romanic is at the center of the network, and it was obvious to anyone watching that no one in my network wanted him dead. He should have been killed off by now. But he wasn't supposed to be the center of the network. He was supposed to shut his mouth and keep his head down so I could protect him better.

Instead he connects himself obviously to me on numerous occasions and even today, basically admitted he was the one I was talking about. He does not seem to care if he's revealed or not.

Finally, the attitude he displayed in our chat. It had a mocking tone, an aggressive, careless tone. It felt like it was from someone who had already won the game.

This case is full of lies. I never asked about B_Ray, I wasn't at the "center" of the network (in fact I was having an ongoing discussion with ATPG only). I wasn't mocking or aggressive at all with him. The only time I've been aggresive was when I made that case against Renata, because I thought she was Scum, and I wanted her to prove me wrong.

Since Renata, B_Ray and Believer are not forbidden to speak about private information, they can at least confirm that I never really had important chats with them (save Renata, when I made that case on her). I never fished to know who Believer and B_Ray were, not when I talked with them.

With Believer - He was mostly talking and I was mostly not talking, busy catching up with the thread. He asked me to reveal my role, and I never did, and again, I never asked who he was.

With Renata - We barely spoke, until I made that case on her. She's just pissed at me because I forced a claim out of her, but she had the choice to face my case, or reveal. Too bad Renata, you can't make a difference between being pissed and someone being actually scummy. Look at your case, how aggressive you can be when you believe someone is Scum - this is just what I did to you, and you even acknowledged this in our chat when you said something along the lines that my suspicions on you proved that I was at least trying. You're stuck on the fact that you died after claiming to me, but ATPG knew about that. It figures why you are dead.

With B_Ray - I never even talked with him.

With anyone else - I never talked with them.

At the center of the netwrork - lol at you ATPG. If this is a genuine case, we're going have to talk about how you became a bad mafia player over time :laugh4: but strangely I doubt you are genuine here. This case looks a lot like what you did to me in A Bridge Zhou Far.

Here's my role PM:

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Romanic

Fridtjof Kongsbane Thorsteinsson.

You are the ruler of Fjordane and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the Kings of the West Coast to agree to a course of action against Harald Hårfagre and his plans to conquer the whole of Norway.

You know from previous meeting such as these, that the Jotun will try to use such gatherings to hasten their purpose in bringing chaos to Midgard, and as such, you should be very careful of revealing who you really are. It would be advisable to let everyone think you are someone else.

Your survival is important. The Jotun, if there are any, are out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Kings.

You have a champion in your retinue. He is the only one who knows your true role.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Remember, the Jotun will be looking for you and will discover that someone took your place.

Your champion is: issaikhaan

Holmgang ability: = 7

ATPG also fails to mention why I claimed to him - to save my champion because he and Renata were about to move their vote on khaan, to save classical and Tratorix on Day 2. I claimed around that post:

vote: B_Ray

Based on his last vote. Can't do better than this, gotta run to work. :(
And I did so because I was leaving for work within 15 minutes and khaan was about to be bandwagoned. Picked ATPG over Renata to claim, for the overall feeling I had, although now I realized it could have been a mistake to reveal to ATPG, or reveal at all, since my compromising myself isn't worth the life of my champion.

On Day 3, I came back from work, to find that khaan was tally leader, and I tried to save him, but my vote was late, 2 minutes after Sigurd closed the Day.

I say, vote: Khazaar

I'm late sorry.

Anyway, I probably could make a better case on ATPG, than barely defending myself, as it is, but I don't see much point, this Town being utterly destroyed. My only hope is that my challenge goes through, in which case I have 27.6% chance to prove that ATPG is a Jotun, by removing 6 lifes from him.

Thanks Reenk, for sending my a PM about how I'm gonna get killed soon. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 07:00

Didn't I already claim Jotun?

Oh wait, I was joking, so I suppose I should respond to this.

Your role fishing last night was extremely scummy and I should have called you on it then. That was bad play. You saw how uncomfortable I was with what you were doing, I figured you'd pull what Reenk just pulled and laugh all the way to the afterlife.

The reason you have suspicion on you is your own fault. You should not have done the things you did.

If I have you confused with Renata on the B_Ray thing then I apologize for that, but you were definitely fishing for the others and knew enough to deduce all the information above. You are full of it when you say you weren't at the center of the network, because you were. And not because I made you such a person.

And you were careless with your role. Your own posts revealed you were the one I was talking about. So honestly, you deserve a roll eyes here. :rolleyes:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 07:15

I would also like to say, in my defense, that of all the mistakes made in this game, all the security breaches, the king that lasted the longest in secrecy was the one I was protecting, and was only revealed on threat of death by the gods themselves as a calculated gamble between two bad decisions: Say nothing and watch him die in a holmgang instead of at least eating one murder, or gamble that Reenk would shut up. I don't even regret my choice.

So for all you network nay-sayers, let me put it to you like this:

Khaan would have been lynched sooner. Kings would have been lynched. B_Ray would have been lynched. I guarded my information and used it only when death was the only alternative.

It's not the network that's at fault, it's just bad townie play. The network won't get any credit for any positives, and the faults weren't even the network itself, if it had been played properly.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 07:35

Feel free to paste our chatlogs where I was rolefishing for any role except for Renata's, after I was considering to make a case on her for PIS.

I never fished for anyone else. Any chatlog you can provide will be fake, or you're gonna come up with another explanation such as "If I have you confused with Renata on the B_Ray thing then I apologize for that".

As for

The reason you have suspicion on you is your own fault. You should not have done the things you did.

Your interpretation. I explained why I did it, and you're not alien to pressuring actions such as these, you've done plenty yourself in different mafia games, you should understand. Also I don't care much about the blame game. Blame me as much as you want, but you're the one who revealed me, and you're the one with a case on me.

In this game, I've done mu share of mistakes, but pressuring Renata, wasn't one in my opinion. I pushed hard until she claimed, and proved her identity with the Heimdall PM. If I was Jotun, I'd probably be satisfied with your answer:

'She's in the God/King/Champion category"

Which would have been enough for a Jotun to stop. I didn't stop because I'm Town, and this answer was not satisfying against someone I was accusing of PIS.

And you were careless with your role. Your own posts revealed you were the one I was talking about. So honestly, you deserve a roll eyes here.
I don't think so. The post that revealed me was this one:

No, actually.

My suspect is the guy who was role fishing for Renata's role last night, and the one who spoke with Believer for most of the game, and laughed at me when I told him why I felt out of all the kings and champions, he was the right suspect.
Because my interaction with Renata on the previous night was discussed plenty before you made that post. This post revealed me to anyone following the discussion. Posts I've made after that, replying to you, were joke-ish, since I was burned anyway.

If you are Town, you probably skimmed the thread and weren't aware how precise your description was, but it was very clear that I was the King you were referring to. Some players went "Oh it's Diamondeye", but really, they were either faking, or not following the game themselves.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 07:47

7/19/2011 5:06:14 PM Romanichine Did you make sure the information would not be lost if you die?
7/19/2011 5:06:55 PM Ask thepizzaguy Do I trust anyone enough to have it?
7/19/2011 5:06:58 PM Ask thepizzaguy No.
7/19/2011 5:07:06 PM Romanichine Heh
7/19/2011 5:07:08 PM Ask thepizzaguy Remember, knowledge of who the kings are is game-losing
7/19/2011 5:07:13 PM Romanichine you can trust me
7/19/2011 5:07:14 PM Ask thepizzaguy it's really stupid that I even have it
7/19/2011 5:07:26 PM Ask thepizzaguy What if Loki could turn my alignment or something?
7/19/2011 5:07:29 PM Ask thepizzaguy Game over
7/19/2011 5:07:35 PM Romanichine Right

I'm not going to massively quote our conversations. You asked me to reveal all roles to you a few days ago. That means you were role-fishing for EVERY role in the game.

I said no. You went fishing for those roles yourself anyway.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 07:51

Romanic

07-22-2011, 07:54

I'm not going to massively quote our conversations. You asked me to reveal all roles to you a few days ago. That means you were role-fishing for EVERY role in the game.

I said no. You went fishing for those roles yourself anyway.
I did say that, but you knew I was telling the truth about being a King, after khaan died. "You can trust me" was an offer to keep your knowledge alive, should you die. Technically I didn't ask you to tell me, I told you that you could tell me if you wanted to. My worry was about the knowledge being lost, that's all. I would have been satisfied if you said that someone else had that knowledge.

I'm not sure this can be called rolefishing. Surely you can tell the difference.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 07:55

Romanic

07-22-2011, 07:58

I said no. You went fishing for those roles yourself anyway.
Bah, anyway this is another lie. I never went fishing for any role, except Renata, after having a PIS case on her.

Any further talk with you is unnecessary, sir Pizza. You can't be genuine to accuse me of "fishing for these roles myself", as you have no proof of this, plus Believer, B_Ray and anyone else (but Renata) can confirm that I never approached them to know their role.

Goodbye.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:00

I did say that, but you knew I was telling the truth about being a King, after khaan died.

You agreed with me (near the end) that a Jotun was hiding as a champion or King. Why would I buy that you couldn't possibly be a Jotun just because your assigned partner got lynched?

"You can trust me" was an offer to keep your knowledge alive, should you die. Technically I didn't ask you to tell me, I told you that you could tell me if you wanted to.

There's not a real massive difference between asking for all role information and saying that I can tell it to you. It reveals your desire to know what I know, and it is prompting me to infodump.

You cannot hand wave that away. If you're innocent, you should be thankful that I did wave it off. That combined with your Renata fishing is what made alarms go off.

My worry was about the knowledge being lost, that's all. I would have been satisfied if you said that someone else had that knowledge.

You agreed with me that such knowledge was absolutely idiotic for anyone to have because it was game-losing. I explained that even if I knew for sure you were a townie and couldn't be converted, that giving you such info invites mistakes and reveals through PIS.

It was bad enough that I had it at all. I trusted myself with it to an extent because I kept refusing to share info even with claimed gods and people who had been scanned.

I considered telling Kage some of it, but he died along with the guy who scanned him.

I'm not sure this can be called rolefishing. Surely you can tell the difference.

If it's not fishing, it's showing up with a rod, bait, boat, and getting on the water, and leaving the fishing pole near the water and then acting surprised when you catch a fish.

And I agree this is pointless. Other than the ascension of mortals to godhood, this game is over.

Sigurd

07-22-2011, 08:19

Registered challenges:

White_eyes:D vs. TinCow
Askthepizzaguy vs. Andres
Tratorix vs. Chaotix
Autolycus vs. Reenk Roink
Romanic vs. ATPG

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:20

Reenk also challenged himself.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:22

ATPG, I said goodbye, it means, goodbye, our discussion is done. :smug2:

To everyone else, here's why ATPG is Scum:

Challenge: Andres

Why would he challenge Andres aka Loki?

First, you'll agree that ATPG must consider that Andres is either full of it when claiming Loki, or that he's truthful. Also, ATPG is either Jotun, or a Chamopion as he claims. This gives us four possibilities to understand ATPG's motivation.

1) ATPG is a Champion and believes Andres is telling the truth about being Loki.

Why would he challenge a God and be sure to lose? This will only result in a townie dying, and for what? Nothing. Andres beating ATPG will prove that he's a god, but not if he's evil or good. This option is nonsense.

2) ATPG is Town and believes that Andres is full of it.

If Andres is lying, then he's either human or Jotun. If he's Jotun, the Holmgang result will look similar to him being a Goid so challenging him, and dying won't help the Town.

If Andres is human, ATPG will prove it, or not, depending on the result, but since humans are Town, I fail to see how this will help the Town.

3) ATPG is Jotun, and believe Andres is Loki.

He challenged him, hoping to kill him. Since Jotuns have similar Holmgang values than gods, it makes plenty of sense for one to challenge Loki.

4) ATPG is Jotun, and believes Andres is lying.

He will kill Andres, good riddance, one less, however it may, or may not reveal him, depending on the result.

So there it is: The only motivation ATPG can have to challenge Andres is a Jotun motivation.

He's Jotun. Maybe I can prove it moire, if my challenge goes through.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:24

I'll tell you why I challenged Andres.

Because it's FUN. No strategy required.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:29

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:32

Given ATPG acts like he's found a gold mine, a Jotun masquerading as a King, and a chance to turn this game around , I will not believe he would suicide by attacking Andres, a claimed god, "because it's fun".

Would attacking a Jotun really go any better? I can't beat those either.

Going down and proving Andres really is who he says he is accomplishes removing suspect ATPG and verifies the claim of someone who has had zero pressure all game.

But yeah, my primary motivation for this GAME is fun.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:33

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:34

And if it was so much "fun", why did he wait until Day 4 to challenge someone?

Yup. Jotuns were afraid to challenge early.

Why is he picking Andres and not someone else?

Yup. He's Jotun, and there's hardly a better target than a claimed god.

You're right, I'm totally a Jotun. And once I hold Loki's head in my hands, I'm going to throw it at you. :laugh4:

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:35

At least you finally admit it. :laugh4:

Yay for me, I won the exchange!

Off to bed now, goodnight Jotun.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:38

I think we need a counter for how many times I admitted or alluded to being a Jotun already this game, publicly and privately.

I even told you that you all were boned several times.

You know why it's a joke? Because if I did that as a Jotun, I'd never be allowed to tell jokes in games ever again. It's the same reason I was innocent in Campground; I'd never be able to survive another game if my antics were mafia-related.

You think I'm guilty because it would be juicy if I were. That's really the only reason.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:40

Jotun.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:40

Jotun.

Pizza = Tempting target. That's why you keep responding to me!

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:42

You're a Jotun!! :mickey:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:42

I rest my case.

I think 50% of everything that happens in mafia games can be explained as Pizza envy.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 08:47

*Pulls out popcorn and beer* continue...:party2:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:47

You're all just jealous of how my large stuffed sausage barely fits in this cardboard box.

Diamondeye

07-22-2011, 08:49

I've had no internet since I came back from work yesterday, so I have ten pages to read. I'll post a "real" reply by then and hope I haven't missed too much.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:50

I've had no internet since I came back from work yesterday, so I have ten pages to read. I'll post a "real" reply by then and hope I haven't missed too much.

Here's a recap:

I've personally vanquished half of the Jotun using only my godlike holmgang abilities, and Reenk changed his name because he lost a bet with me.

Romanic

07-22-2011, 08:51

A better recap would be: We found a Jotun, it's ATPG.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 08:54

A better recap would be: We found a Jotun, it's ATPG.

I love it. You're physically incapable of resisting my charms. :eyebrows:

You're losing sleep because all you can think about is my spicy pepperoni with extra sauce. You long for a slice of tasty goodness while it's steaming hot, and you can't tear yourself away from looking at it, even when your body is crying out from exhaustion.

I've got you whipped.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 09:00

I guess Diamondeye is going to be upset we lynched him for nothing really.:shrug:

I wonder how big his "Town shot itself in the head" freak out well be?:book:

Romanic

07-22-2011, 09:00

I love it. You're physically incapable of resisting my charms. :eyebrows:

You're losing sleep because all you can think about is my spicy pepperoni with extra sauce. You long for a slice of tasty goodness while it's steaming Johnhughthom, and you can't tear yourself away from looking at it, even when your body is crying out from exhaustion.

I've got you whipped.

Yes, yes you are.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 09:02

ATPG, I said goodbye, it means, goodbye, our discussion is done. :smug2:

40 minutes later, and you're still Pizza-whipped.

Sigurd

07-22-2011, 09:04

Reenk also challenged himself.
not valid

Diamondeye

07-22-2011, 09:07

I guess Diamondeye is going to be upset we lynched him for nothing really.:shrug:

I wonder how big his "Town shot itself in the head" freak out well be?:book:

YOU DID WHAT!?

Seriously, this is a disaster. I know I've not been very active, but this last streak was through no fault of my own and out of all the excellent suspects, you pick me?!

It seems from my skim that I might be able to help from beyond the grave, but even then you've dug a pretty deep grave for yourselves to crawl into.

Now, I have a bazillion other things I need to check up on since I just got my internet back, and while it was down, A Dance with Dragons landed on my doorstep. I'll get around to helping you, eventually.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 09:10

Thank goodness. I thought we were boned.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 09:13

Thank goodness. I thought we were boned.
Diamondeye was not active enough to help and not a big loss....still was a sharp kick to the :daisy: that we didn't really hit a Jotun though.:shame:

Visor

07-22-2011, 09:15

Then why do people keep lynching me over jokes? :P

Okay, Music mafia, I took it to far. But this game? :(

Not going to stop me though. I'm going to post "I'm mafia" in every first day post from now on. :D And if you first day lynch me and I'm a town vigilante/doctor/scanner, etc. then good job folks.

I have no idea what has happened in this game, so I'm of little help. Go whatever is left of the town.

I think we need a counter for how many times I admitted or alluded to being a Jotun already this game, publicly and privately.

I even told you that you all were boned several times.

You know why it's a joke? Because if I did that as a Jotun, I'd never be allowed to tell jokes in games ever again. It's the same reason I was innocent in Campground; I'd never be able to survive another game if my antics were mafia-related.

You think I'm guilty because it would be juicy if I were. That's really the only reason.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 09:18

Then why do people keep lynching me over jokes? :P

Jokes are unhelpful, I suppose. You gotta mix it with serious attempts to find the scums, or you will die. Also people have to get used to you.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 09:31

First round lynches suck....you never hit scum.:no:

Only game I recall it ever happening with a first round lynch of the mafia was with Yoyoma and I. After that, Pizzaguy unreasonably slapped down hard on townies nailing the mafia in first round lynches...had to make it loads easier for the mafia, huh?:mean:

Edit:It was a totally random lynch, no reason for it. Quite funny since I beat Lord Winter to the tie vote in that game.:bounce:

Edit2: Oh yeah it was in "Psycho mafia 2", he had an emergent mafia(Which I randomly nailed:smug:). And one mafia that could keep recruiting if one was killed...it meant that two lynches in a row were needed to kill the mafia and if you missed one or were wrong, they would merely recruit another one. Meant town had to get it right almost every round. Compared to that game this is too easy yet, we still are going to lose.:yes:

Visor

07-22-2011, 09:49

Jokes are unhelpful, I suppose. You gotta mix it with serious attempts to find the scums, or you will die. Also people have to get used to you.

But this is the first day, so practically no real chance to catch scum. I can't really be serious on the first day. The lynch was better than a champion or a king, me being a basic townie of the weakest kind. But I will post more serious posts more often though, or at least try to. Like I did this game, or tried to.

@ WhiteEyes

The Commie game was a day one lynch win on Lord Winter. Funny read that.

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 09:52

@ White_Eyes.

You just had to lynch the Psycho, who was the recruiter, then his buddy.

He was nice and mute, too, so he wouldn't put up much of a fight. I think Beskar is still peeved that I made him mute.

@ Visor

More funny was Pick your power where I made a day one, first-post "case" on Khaan by citing all the other games he was mafia in, thereby proving he was mafia in that game as well.

And he was.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 09:59

@ White_Eyes.

You just had to lynch the Psycho, who was the recruiter, then his buddy.

He was nice and mute, too, so he wouldn't put up much of a fight. I think Beskar is still peeved that I made him mute. I still dislike recruitment in all it's unholy glory thanks to that game. And it was overkill having a emergent mafia with one recruiter and a partner in a small game.:no:

Edit:Pizzguy, you need to look at it this way. Me and Beefy had to limp on, after tevash left in "Godfather 3", we missed two kills because of that...and 4 more, if we could have recruited whenever Beefy wanted or even just to replace tevash. We even asked GH if we could send in the kill for him to but no. I look at all the mafia "Super powers" that they seem to have now and I wonder if it's more about skill or just luck getting a good role and side?
The best role I have ever had was a "Joker" role. But even I agree that it's just overpowered.
I was lynched twice in one game with it...must be some kind of record there.:grin2:

I need to get some sleep.:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 10:08

You guys had detectives. Plural. Doctor. Blocker. And a dude who could kill from beyond the grave.

2 years later, that's still not enough for White_Eyes... :laugh4:

Visor

07-22-2011, 10:11

@ Pizza

I read through that last week, it was funny how he actually was mafia, and andres was the suicide bomber who then killed you. I think the CDF venegul lynchee move at the end was pretty brilliant though.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 10:12

You guys had detectives. Plural. Doctor. Blocker. And a dude who could kill from beyond the grave.

2 years later, that's still not enough for White_Eyes... :laugh4:
The Vig was on his own side....Doctor and Blocker were killed right away. The Detective that survived WAS THE ONE RECRUITED. We lost because he outted the mafia buddy and was recruitable.

Edit: The only game(Warhammer) where I received a recruit ability, it was heavily restricted for balance to only one townie and I faced all what you have there and more. There was even a doctor/reviver role.:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 10:16

Yeah, you were stuffed with power roles so that you could protect other power roles from dying, and those power roles could deduce who was the Psycho and kill him off before he could recruit those power roles. You also could have lynched him randomly. You also could have wondered why the mute guy wasn't dying after the first game where the mute guy was the best detective you had.

In other words, balanced but things didn't go well for you.

Kind of like this game. Sigurd was kind enough to give us gods with protective and detective powers, champions, and cannon fodder to holmgang and possibly find Jotun with. And we could have lynched them randomly. But instead, we blew ourselves up, one power role at a time, and the Jotun carved us to tiny bits, laughing the entire time.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 10:23

So, being able to recruit any power role is balanced?:inquisitive:

Honestly, I well never be able to see that....but your games are some of the best here at the Org.

I have lost in so many of your games, but it was such a blast just getting there, that I enjoyed it.:2thumbsup:

Edit: I must be a masochist....:shame:

Askthepizzaguy

07-22-2011, 10:28

So, being able to recruit any power role is balanced?:inquisitive:

Yeah, when I give you three detectives, a doctor, a vigilante, and a neutral guy who turns into a post-death vigilante known as the God of Fire, and the guy you have to lynch first is too mute to argue his way out of it. I just disagree with you that it wasn't balanced. For a tiny game, half of the players were hulking power roles for the town side, and the evil characters were a cult with a maximum of 2 members; you just had to lynch the recruiter first was all.

This is also a sorta strange place to be discussing that game. :tongue2:

Anyway... I do appreciate the compliment though. Maybe the townies will win the next Gameroom Anniversary game so it won't be quite as humiliating.

White_eyes:D

07-22-2011, 10:40

I am going to put this in spoilers because it's more off-topic but I have some on-topic stuff to say to.

I point to that Warhammer game we played...you recall how fast the power-roles were dropping?:2thumbsup: It wasn't the pro-town roles that toke me down though...it was the fact that I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out who I could recruit. In Psycho 2, the recruiter didn't need to worry about that...he just needed his buddy the "lynch bait" to die and boom, new buddy ready for "lynch bait". If he would have had to watch out for who he recruited, it would have been much harder....and I have no idea, why your saying we should have known beskar was his mafia buddy because, he is mute. I was totally bull:daisy:ing about the "emergent" mafia thing.:clown: I keep thinking thefluffyone is Jotun...not sure why yet.:book:

Renata

07-22-2011, 11:12

Then why do people keep lynching me over jokes? :P

It wasn't. Check out who you were up against for the lynch once more.

Visor

07-22-2011, 12:08

I logged off, not in the lead of the tally, and I come back and B_Ray switches to me, not Believer, and then you say me.

unvote, vote: Visorslash due to being able to read between the lines. Plus, this stuff is getting old.

I'll
kill whoever I want to.

If you don't see this as a joke... *Facepalm*

So let's put them in yours! Saves me and my partner doing it by ourselves later.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote: TheLastDayofTheLastDays

FML, cause my holmgang score is 3, I.E. I die instantly regardless. ;)

I'm mafia, I get bonuses in relation to the holmgang.

That was an assumption on my part, which may be correct.

Way to steal my kill man.

Part of the conversation with Pizza.

It doesn't matter, I'm goona keep saying I'm mafia for every game first day now. :D

TheLastDays

07-22-2011, 13:27

It doesn't matter, I'm goona keep saying I'm mafia for every game first day now. :D

Then you might keep getting lynched and, whatever you may think, you can't blame others for that :yes:

Damn, I forgot to challenge Andres...

Reenk Roink

07-22-2011, 13:32

Man, I just realized that I had forgotten ALL about Earthling and how he would react. I was mulling over whether my actions were for my best interests, but now I'm absolutely certain they are. :2thumbsup:

I'll tell you why I challenged Andres.

Because it's FUN. No strategy required.

Except Andres looks to be busy with work or other life issues because he hasn't responded to PMs in two days. Thus we can't even get the night kills going, his goals have stagnated, my goals are basically failures, only beaten by the fact that any hope the town pulls this off is lower than mine.

TRULY EXCELLENT GAME SIGURD JUST AS GOOD AS MIDGARD I! :2thumbsup: :bow:

I've had no internet since I came back from work yesterday, so I have ten pages to read. I'll post a "real" reply by then and hope I haven't missed too much.

They killed you even though Romanic was investigated as Jotun and you were cleared of being active when 2 Jotun were. Then the last 2 kings got exposed in some bizarre manner we are still seeking explanation for... :creep:

not valid

:whip: Why did you give me a role with such potential but with extremely few means of realizing that potential? This is meaner than giving me a Loki who had to cause chaos without any powers. :disappointed:

TinCow

07-22-2011, 13:36

Except Andres looks to be busy with work or other life issues because he hasn't responded to PMs in two days.

Andres posted in the staff forums that he would be away from Thursday to Sunday, with little or no internet access.

Reenk Roink

07-22-2011, 13:48

Thanks for the info :bow:

And by the way, all you debbie downers on the town's performance remember this:

In Midgard I Jotun won a total mafia victory. Not only that but I think only one of them was actually suspected. Oh, and they had no cover roles (pretty sure but Sigurd can confirm). Oh, and they had to kill everyone. And the Aesir roles lived much longer than in this game.

The town had a ton of infighting and bickering, role reveals due to pressure, etc, just like here. Midgard is a tough game to win as town. That's why it's so fun to be a townie here. :beam:

Death is yonder

07-22-2011, 14:05

I knew who every king was but Renata for a long time, and they survived; I knew who every champion was, every god.

It wasn't until Romanic knew these answers that they all mysteriously died.

I must be framing him! :2thumbsup:

Versus

DIY was murdered, I never knew about him.

*Shrug* pizza knows he's out in the open. There's no sense arguing with him Romanic.

Since information attained prior to death is allowable to be discussed, in case there are still doubts, which I do not think to be the case:

ATPG is obviously lying, the lie of omission which he applied to Romanic's private claim to him, the lie that he knew who I was. The only reason he wasn't lynched was because some people actually believed him, and also because others had different agendas.]

In fact in private he claimed champion, initially the question was whether he was revealing as king to soak up fire, but by the following night, there was no doubt whatsoever. He had made his move and he did it brazenly.

In any event he needs to go, unless the Loki faction is well content with the Jotun's presence which means more "fun chaos".

Renata

07-22-2011, 14:36

Romanic's telling the truth about his interactions with me, and as far as I can confirm, also about ATPG's lie of omission regarding Khaan.

AtPG's statement that the kings he knew about were all alive before last night is meaningless; the Jotun spent the last three nights killing Gods with pro-town powers.

Rolefishing is only borderline scummy: as a reason to suspect someone it's not much above the PIS thing Romanic used on me. Both are things that townies will happily do, out of curiosity (with no reason to disguise it)/unwittingly accurate assumption.

ATPG has shown signs of scum-BS during the last day. I'm not going to bother listing them.

I'm not going to pretend to certainty, especially given my track record this game so far, but of the two I would still lynch ATPG over Romanic.

Oh well.

Chaotix

07-22-2011, 17:00

Romanic is scum. I feel it and smell it.

ATPG has put himself in far too much personal danger, early in the game, to be scum.

Renata

07-22-2011, 17:06

Where?

thefluffyone93

07-22-2011, 19:06

Jokes are unhelpful, I suppose. You gotta mix it with serious attempts to find the scums, or you will die. Also people have to get used to you.

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POKEMANS

Earthling

07-22-2011, 20:51

Roink you want to admit you're the Usurper King or what?

As for tonight's Holmgang, I just have some words of encouragement to share. Make it a good one. Don't have an attack of the vapors the first time you see a decent ruck with teeth, skin, blood, and hair flying from sprigs

Diamondeye

07-22-2011, 21:09

POKEMANS

I love you.

Reenk Roink

07-22-2011, 22:45

Sigurd I know your location says Bergen but just hope you and all friends, family and loved ones are well.

Sigurd

07-22-2011, 23:36

Challenges:

White_eyes:D vs. TinCow
Askthepizzaguy vs. Andres
Tratorix vs. Chaotix
Autolycus vs. Reenk Roink
Romanic vs. ATPG

one will be fought:
[roll0]
Autolycus vs. Reenk Roink

Sigurd

07-23-2011, 01:01

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Round 6

Night 6

Holmgang results #5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053347241&viewfull=1#post2053347241)

Feelings were still raw after the execution, people just couldn’t let it go. They still argued who should have been executed. Two men was especially in disagreement and despite what the Hovgod would rule, they drew their blades.
They threw taunts at each other while assessing their opponent’s strengths. They each had a fine specimen of Frankish steel, forged by the very masters of swords. Swords bought with much gold or gifted by Emperors.
One came from Hordaland and the other from Hålogaland. The Hålogaland man threw the first slash which came back red. The man from Hordaland, a large man of nearly 7 feet roared in pain. But his training with the Varangian guard proved to those watching why a former captain of such a guard should not be trifled with.
The Hordaland man wielded his blade as a master and he avoided every attack and counter that came his way. The Hålogaland got severely injured and could no longer defend himself. The Hordaland man slashed powerfully downward, opening the rib cage of the Hålogaland man who slumped backwards obviously dead.

A dark shadow lurked into the Hålogaland camp looking for a certain man. The man was however nowhere to be found. The shadow stood up and sniffed the air and grinned. He searched the area and finally found what he was looking for. He crouched and picked up a King’s cloak pin. He whispered; Two remain.

A cloaked man approaches the place where Eirik of Hordaland rests, holding an amulet in his hand. Greetings, Eirik King of Hordaland. The Gods are pleased with your actions, and it is time for your ascension.
Eirik looked eager now. The cloaked figure continued; there must be an official ceremony to give you our blessing.
The cloaked figure led Eirik out to the fjord. He waved his hands and the surface of the sea froze solid. Eirik could hear beautiful laughter and from both ends of the fjord, beautiful women came flowing over the ice. They had something attached to their feet that made it easier to travel on ice. They surrounded Eirik and asked if he would join them in a game played on ice. Yes sure. They gave him a stick that ended with a bend. The goal of this game is to push this stone with your stick and put it into that box over there. She pointed at a frame with a fish net attached to it. The beautiful women divided into two groups and Eirik joined one of the groups playing as something they called Captain. They had a laugh and Eirik greatly enjoyed the game and was able to score the final goal. The winning team surrounded him again and showered him with kisses and promises of an eventful night. The cloaked figure came over and handed Eirik an engraved cup and told him that he has won the right to become a God.

Another cloaked figure hurries onto the ice and comes right up to the cloaked figure with Eirik. They whispered. The cloaked figure holding the cup suddenly turns to Eirik and apologizes. I am sorry but I have been informed that you have already been traded to another set of Gods two days ago. I am sorry; we have to take your price back. I will however arrange transportation for you to your new Gods.
The cloaked figure waves his hands and the ice is gone. Eirik sinks into the dark ocean. He can’t swim and drowns. The cloaked figure smiles wickedly and transforms into a hideous creature 10 feet tall. These puny humans are so easily distracted. The beautiful women transform into seals and swims out to open sea.

The camps awake and finds another King missing. He is found drowned on the beach.
The Hovgod cries vengeance upon the perpetrators. Find them, find them NOW!!!

Vote, people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
glyphz
Khazaar
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
B_Ray (N5)
Believer (N5)
Renata (N5)
Reenk Roink (N6)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Nightbringer (D4)
Diamondeye (D5)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)
GeneralHankerchief (H4)
autolycus (H5)

Sigurd

07-23-2011, 01:04

Sigurd I know your location says Bergen but just hope you and all friends, family and loved ones are well.
We are all well.
It is kind of surreal. I hope tomorrow will bring some answers.

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 01:19

Wait, so Reenk was a king? Then why would he... but he... I don't.... :dizzy:

:laugh4: This game is hilarious. Really top notch stuff.

B-Wing

07-23-2011, 01:21

So that leaves... how many town roles alive? One?

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 01:30

So that leaves... how many town roles alive? One?

That's right. Just me.

Vote: Romanic

Poor Reenk. They probably killed him not even knowing he was a king.

However: there was only one night-kill, and in it only one Jotun is mentioned, so it wasn't a double-kill. This leads me to believe we got a Jotun somehow.

EDIT: Wait, never mind. The first kill was on autolycus, who was already dead. And then Reenk was also a king. So we have only one king left.

IF ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES ROMANIC IS A KING, THEY SHOULD LET SOMEBODY THEY TRUST KNOW. THEN WE CAN PROVE ROMANIC IS LYING AND LYNCH HIM.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 01:37

No..."a dark shadow" was looking to kill Reenk as well, but he went missing. We hit no Jotun yet. I can only think TinCow or Tratorix did this due to the hockey kill write-up. But we have too many trolling lurkers that would do this for the lulz.

I am at a loss on who to vote for...now that Reenk is dead there is not much point.:shrug:

Renata

07-23-2011, 01:38

No, the other one tried to kill Autolycus and found him dead.

You should have told me, Reenk. That was one of the options for you, but I read it wrong. Sad.

If there's only one left, it's either white_eyes or Romanic that is a King, not both.

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 01:42

IF ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES ROMANIC IS A KING, THEY SHOULD LET SOMEBODY THEY TRUST KNOW. THEN WE CAN PROVE ROMANIC IS LYING AND LYNCH HIM.

Chaotix, this is the kind of thinking that pretty much lost us the game in the first place. :wall:

Vote: Romanic If he's a King, we're screwed, if he's a Jotun we can at least salvage our dignity.

Renata

07-23-2011, 01:43

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 01:44

"He was missing" how could his body have just disappeared in the duel write-up? I don't think he was trying to kill Autolycus...

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 01:46

"He was missing" how could his body have just disappeared in the duel write-up? I don't think he was trying to kill Autolycus...

The jotun knew autolycus was a king, it makes sense that they would try to kill him. Unless you think Diamondeye was actually a Jotun, which I doubt at this point.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 01:52

But at the end of the night write-up it says "The camp awakes and finds another King missing" but no mention of the one that was killed in the duel?:shrug:

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 01:58

But at the end of the night write-up it says "The camp awakes and finds another King missing" but no mention of the one that was killed in the duel?:shrug:

The camps awake and finds another King missing. He is found drowned on the beach.
The Hovgod cries vengeance upon the perpetrators. Find them, find them NOW!!!

The drowned king was Reenk.

TinCow

07-23-2011, 02:03

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 02:04

It all is talking about Reenk, nowhere does it talk about autolycus. Regardless, Reenk is dead and is a King.

Earthling

07-23-2011, 02:05

Well Andres/Loki being absent pretty much confirms he is behind the crazy naked kills. That still devastated the town.

I would guess White_eyes was obviously not anyone important, got roped by Roink and/or Loki to bluff on their behalf. Tincow I'm assuming had mason status or something with her father too, else third party victory of some sort for just those two but still not Jotun.

So that leaves far too many lurkers who could be Jotun, but what several people said about ATPG still sounds good, he's been lying and certainly had the opportunity to betray the town network. Between him and Roman I'd say it's time to lynch ATPG today, best shot for the town, though I would also agree to Andres out of spite just to cause Loki defeat too if the town realizes it's doomed.

Roman's role PM doesn't look fake and he sounds like he's telling the truth. If he was the last King but also a Jotun they'd have won right now, so that's not it to start though curious what is up with glyphz. However if Autolycus was the King of Halagoland, which we didn't expect to have a King except maybe the Usurper from there, that could mean there were seven Kingdoms with a nominal King (could still have Jotun cover role) which is unexpected but otherwise one of the other kingdoms comes up short. Writeup notwithstanding we need to list the Kingdoms out again and preferably see glphyz's claim.

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 02:07

It all is talking about Reenk, nowhere does it talk about autolycus. Regardless, Reenk is dead and is a King.

Here:
The Hålogaland got severely injured and could no longer defend himself. The Hordaland man slashed powerfully downward, opening the rib cage of the Hålogaland man who slumped backwards obviously dead.

A dark shadow lurked into the Hålogaland camp looking for a certain man. The man was however nowhere to be found. The shadow stood up and sniffed the air and grinned. He searched the area and finally found what he was looking for. He crouched and picked up a King’s cloak pin. He whispered; Two remain.

Is the autolycus part.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 02:12

So, autolycus was the Usurper? Reenk picked well if that is so...come to think of it, he was trying hard for him to be killed if all else failed and he succeeded. :laugh4:

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 02:16

I seems pretty clear that either ATPG or Romanic is the mole, the question is which one. I have a feeling we're already toast, but we can at least redeem ourselves a little bit by ending with a solid lynch.

ATPG was auotlycus' champion, if the Jotun were trying to kill him, why would they need to wait for Reenk to reveal who he was? I'm thinking it's Romanic or nothing.

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 02:21

Oh my god. That was the best kill write up I have ever seen in a Mafia game. :2thumbsup: I like it more than the Rise of the Mob sniper one. And having it done after whooping auto's *** makes it all the better. I mean the fight wasn't even close auto. 7-1. :laugh4:

The only claimed king we have is Romanic. glyphz hasn't claimed king but he did have the Kage substitution which suggested it. Atpg claims Champion (of autolycus who was a king).

That in itself makes Romanic look the worst, but then again, Atpg could very well be a Jotun who had a cover role as auto's champion which auto himself didn't know about. And why the heck is glyphz not dead yet? Given the nature of Midgard where the Jotun are extremely well entrenched and have huge benefits in terms of cover roles, glyphz possibly could be Jotun. :shame:

I'd still vote for Romanic because we really can't be expected to figure the other ones out at all.

There is one more matter. I didn't follow my own advice and I revealed to someone just last round. :undecided: I revealed to TinCow after it became clear he was Gyda. It was a hasty move on my part (half joking too), but he was the first one to know my role (unless I had been investigated or something). I wanted to know what exactly Gyda was doing and her goal (she was mentioned in my role PM). It seems really odd that Gyda herself would be aligned Jotun too, so I just went ahead.

I can't help but speculate that TinCow now is working for the Jotun. It's not sure if he is of course, but... my daughter... how could you? :shame:

Oh and bets on the other Jotun? I have been thinking fluffy and robbiecon since last round (with Romanic).

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 02:23

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 02:25

Oh, I forgot to mention, I also revealed to White eyes (and fully, with role PM), but that is different because White eyes and me had been through too much together this game to have anything but 100% trust. :bow: ~:grouphug:

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 02:27

It had tons of spelling errors in it....how could any self-respecting mafia player think it was real, is beyond me.:no:

TinCow

07-23-2011, 02:31

There is one more matter. I didn't follow my own advice and I revealed to someone just last round. :undecided: I revealed to TinCow after it became clear he was Gyda. It was a hasty move on my part (half joking too), but he was the first one to know my role (unless I had been investigated or something). I wanted to know what exactly Gyda was doing and her goal (she was mentioned in my role PM). It seems really odd that Gyda herself would be aligned Jotun too, so I just went ahead.

Last night I investigated you. I did not fully trust you because your role PM mentioned me, which made me think you were the one who was trying to kill me. I did not think that it was likely that I would be mentioned in any role PM other than my hunter's. My investigation works as an activity investigation, but if it's used on my hunter I will kill him... so, I guess in that sense I did kind of attempt a kill on you last night. However, you died from Jotun first and I didn't even get a result.

thefluffyone93

07-23-2011, 02:31

I can see that this game will end in victory for the town.
Probably.
Maybe....
....................
Who am I kiddin'?
The town is doomed, and its HI-LARIOUS.

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 02:32

I believe you princess. :bow: Remember our favorite movie Say Anything? Now come here and give me butterfly kisses (don't tell mommy about the other girls by the way).

do you guys even know that movie?

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 02:42

Here is the etiology of Norway's terrible performance in hockey. By killing their only good player his genes would never be able to spread (you think anyone would bone Gyda? :rolleyes:). Thus the Finns and Swedes can put medal contending teams out and the Norwegians lose by double digits each game.

A cloaked man approaches the place where Eirik of Hordaland rests, holding an amulet in his hand. Greetings, Eirik King of Hordaland. The Gods are pleased with your actions, and it is time for your ascension.
Eirik looked eager now. The cloaked figure continued; there must be an official ceremony to give you our blessing.
The cloaked figure led Eirik out to the fjord. He waved his hands and the surface of the sea froze solid. Eirik could hear beautiful laughter and from both ends of the fjord, beautiful women came flowing over the ice. They had something attached to their feet that made it easier to travel on ice. They surrounded Eirik and asked if he would join them in a game played on ice. Yes sure. They gave him a stick that ended with a bend. The goal of this game is to push this stone with your stick and put it into that box over there. She pointed at a frame with a fish net attached to it. The beautiful women divided into two groups and Eirik joined one of the groups playing as something they called Captain. They had a laugh and Eirik greatly enjoyed the game and was able to score the final goal. The winning team surrounded him again and showered him with kisses and promises of an eventful night. The cloaked figure came over and handed Eirik an engraved cup and told him that he has won the right to become a God.

Another cloaked figure hurries onto the ice and comes right up to the cloaked figure with Eirik. They whispered. The cloaked figure holding the cup suddenly turns to Eirik and apologizes. I am sorry but I have been informed that you have already been traded to another set of Gods two days ago. I am sorry; we have to take your price back. I will however arrange transportation for you to your new Gods.
The cloaked figure waves his hands and the ice is gone. Eirik sinks into the dark ocean. He can’t swim and drowns. The cloaked figure smiles wickedly and transforms into a hideous creature 10 feet tall. These puny humans are so easily distracted. The beautiful women transform into seals and swims out to open sea.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:17

Vote: Romanic

If you guys really think I am a Jotun, you should be voting for me. And you know what? I'm not even going to blame anyone for getting it wrong. You know what I'd do if I were anyone else but me? I'd be voting for me. Like I said, this isn't a time to get upset. It's a time to congratulate the Jotun on a game well played, and laugh it off. Lynch me if you want, that will be the icing on the cake. Romanic being townie would also be icing on the cake.

Romanic

07-23-2011, 07:21

vote: ATPG

Not gonna bother with a strong defense here.

DIY confirmed that ATPG lied about not knowing he wasa King, this alone should be enough for you to lynch him.

Pretty much all you have against me is ATPG's word that I acted scummy, meh.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:23

DIY confirmed that ATPG lied about not knowing he wasa King, this alone should be enough for you to lynch him.

No, that was a simple, simple mis-speak on my part. When I say I knew all the kings, that included the dead DIY.... AFTER he was dead.

It's such a stupid point. Lynch me for it, though, go ahead. I don't mind, don't care. I will have my popcorn ready. This is right up there with Reenk challenging Autolycus. No matter what happens, the outcome is going to be stupid, probably.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:25

Here, I'll even give you some ammunition:

Classical scanned me as being inactive on N1, while there were 4 kills. You know what? I was probably inactive on purpose to thwart that kind of N1 metagaming that always happens.

There, now the detective scan is meaningless. Lynch me.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 07:39

If your a townie Pizzaguy, this is your last chance to try and swing the votes towards anyone who has been out of the spotlight. I am tempted to vote for Romanic, but we still have too many non-active lurkers.:shrug:

Hmmm...anyone notice Thelastdays has vanished since my challenging him?
Vote:Thelastdays

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 07:42

Oh wait, and glyphz, too.

Kagemusha died in glyphz place -- that's champion or something like it.
Romanic tried to prevent 'khaan's lynching due to his being his champion, and 'khaan did turn up as a champion.
White_eyes under the circumstances will surely say he was just joking --- what's going on?

^^THIS IS IMPORTANT. LOOK AT THIS.

-glyphz is a confirmed King- no doubt about it. Kagemusha took the hit for him in the Holmgang, since he was his champion.
-The write-up mentions there are two Kings left, before Reenk was killed by the Jotun.
-Since Reenk was a King and was killed, that means there is now only one King left.
-Romanic has claimed to be a King. glyphz and Romanic cannot both be Kings. We have evidence that glyphz is a King.
-Therefore, Romanic must be lying. No getting around it.

Time to lynch Romanic, boys. Should've done this yesterday.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:45

I suppose technically, we should kill off the champions before wiping out the kings. If the theory about a king being a Jotun is wrong, a champion probably is.

Champion? Like me? Like the guy who had that theory since the beginning? Was it PIS? Musta been.

TheLastDays, so far as I know, didn't know nearly as much as myself or Romanic. Is Khazaar still alive? He was a champion. He wasn't involved in the network at all.

Khazaar also hasn't gotten any pressure ever, I don't think.

Really, I'll vote for whoever. If it is Romanic he's been laughing his head off at us the whole time and earned this win. I only want to point the finger at him because that's who I think I'm supposed to point my finger at right now.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:47

^^THIS IS IMPORTANT. LOOK AT THIS.

-glyphz is a confirmed King- no doubt about it. Kagemusha took the hit for him in the Holmgang, since he was his champion.
-The write-up mentions there are two Kings left, before Reenk was killed by the Jotun.
-Since Reenk was a King and was killed, that means there is now only one King left.
-Romanic has claimed to be a King. glyphz and Romanic cannot both be Kings. We have evidence that glyphz is a King.
-Therefore, Romanic must be lying. No getting around it.

Time to lynch Romanic, boys. Should've done this yesterday.

What if glyphz is a king with a cover role and had a champion too.

Are you sure that's proof?

Look, I want to kill Romanic as much, or more, than the next guy. But if you're going to use brain-related reasoning, be sure you're not overlooking something.

I'd use my brain but I'm too busy going like this: :wall:

Romanic

07-23-2011, 07:54

There's six Kings, assuming the same setup than M2.

4 dead : DIY, Renata, Believer, Reenk.

Then 2 alive, glyphz and me.

Chaotix, how do you figure there's only one King left?

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 07:58

None of that matters to me. I'm getting massive scum vibes from Romanic, and it has nothing to do with you accusing him. I wanted to vote for him last round, but I changed my vote to Diamondeye because I thought you had something on him.

Besides the giant arrows in the game setup pointing at his head, he's also been slightly off behaviorally. He's not radically different, but he was not as forthcoming with his analysis and accusations in the early game. Now that he needs to make cases to survive, he's doing it- and he's calling for your head because you're the easiest target, ATPG. Beforehand, he was content to make his vote and watch as we did something completely different. He also went rolefishing, as you've brought to light- something that, as a King, he shouldn't have to do personally, and shouldn't be doing so as not to draw attention to himself. But he can draw all the attention he wants, because he's in no danger of being hit.

I remember vividly playing against Romanic as mafia in ATPG Mafia 2. From the early rounds, he always - always - had a case on someone and he would push it, develop it, and do whatever he needed to in order to make sure he was listened to. He hunted us down, and he did a pretty good job of it. Right now, it looks like Romanic is grasping at straws. He is not putting the puzzle pieces together like he usually does- he's taking random pieces and trying to make a picture with them.

I'm gonna push this case till the scum dies already.

EDIT: I know there are more than 4 dead, but I'mma check again just for you, Romanic...

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:58

Autolycus was my king. I can confirm that is true, and the writeup should as well.

Autolycus died by Reenk's hands in a fairly even matchup, I think it's obvious that Auto was a king.

In my holmgang, the name of my group is mentioned, it's the same as Autolycus'. I am not sure if our Veteran died yet though.

Is the veteran still alive? Hålogaland

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Human-1.png
Askthepizzaguy

Ragnar “the Anvil” Karsteinsson

You are a Champion to the king of Hålogaland, Grjotgard Herlaugsson.
You come from a great linage of warriors and you have received the same training as that of your ancestors. This makes you a great warrior and you have particularly a skill with the blade.

If your King is challenged to a fight you can take his place. This is however risky as the Jotun will see that another took the king’s place.

Your King is: autolycus

Holmgang ability: 6

My holmgang is better than that now due to the win.

Also, I feel sort of like an anvil. It's quite fitting. Heavy, blunt, stupid, immobile, worthless except for striking things against.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 07:59

By the way, the kings all should say "Human king" in the text, and the humans should say "Human" in the text.

I assume the cover roles are going to be the same way.

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 08:02

There. Caught you in another lie, Romanic.

Or is that just a simple mistake? :clown:

I imagine Tratorix is the Halogaland vet. I am the Hordaland vet.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 08:03

What if glyphz is a king with a cover role and had a champion too.

Are you sure that's proof?

Look, I want to kill Romanic as much, or more, than the next guy. But if you're going to use brain-related reasoning, be sure you're not overlooking something.

I'd use my brain but I'm too busy going like this: :wall: Well...glphz seemed more afraid to reveal that he was a king. Not the I am "afraid it well be used against me", but the I am "afraid it well be used to kill me" feel. I noticed the most loudest players with power roles were killed off...almost surgically in the middle going(When the network was going strong). Not like in the beginning or where we are at now...this really feels like TinCow's work. Kinda like "Netherworld":inquisitive:

Edit: But TinCow wins anyway since lynching Romanic won't hurt him in anyway, he just needs to get rid of glphz. And Reenk only revealed to me and TinCow....I thought it was a joke, my role pm was very simple and I never thought that Reenk was telling the truth.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 08:04

At this point, Romanic should be voting for glyphz and glyphz should be voting for Romanic.

I think it is a LITTLE odd that glyphz never got murdered after the Kagemusha holmgang where glyphz was supposed to be involved.

It is either Romanic or glyphz. Period.

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 08:06

But TinCow is Gyda.

Unlikely he's a Jotun, and he's not the guy who makes berserkers since he was attacked by one. (Also, I think we are pretty sure that's Andres/Loki now)

If he's allied with the Jotun for some reason, we were screwed right from the beginning. But I like to believe we fell into this hole of our own volition.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 08:11

I am thinking Tratorix, Chaotix and TinCow are all the Jotun...it explains why I am still alive and why the kills seemed so dead-on in the middle to late game. good show guys.~:cheers:

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 08:16

I am thinking Tratorix, Chaotix and TinCow are all the Jotun...it explains why I am still alive and why the kills seemed so dead-on in the middle to late game. good show guys.~:cheers:

Starting to think you're a Jotun, dude.

I want a straight answer. Romanic, or glyphz, White_Eyes.

If I don't get it, and glyphz or Romanic turns up Jotun, you are next, regardless of how much Reenk wuvs you.

Chaotix

07-23-2011, 08:27

Upon a recheck of the write-ups:

There are 7 kingdoms: Hordaland, Halogaland, Fjordane, Sunnmore, Nordmore, Romsdal, and Rogaland.

The Kings of Nordmore (DiY), Sunnmore (Believer), Rogaland (Renata), Halogaland (autolycus), and Hordaland (Reenk) are dead.

This means the Kings of Fjordane and Romsdal are still living. Since the Jotun mention there are only "2 left" before Reenk dies, this means there's only one true King left now. The other is a Jotun posing as a King.

Indeed, our choice is between glyphz and Romanic, as they are the two Kings, and both will have valid role PMs and such. Neither is lying about being a King. One of them is a Jotun.

I'm inclined to believe it's Romanic, but nobody should be voting for anyone besides these two. The only debate left is between Romanic and glyphz.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 08:50

Starting to think you're a Jotun, dude.

I want a straight answer. Romanic, or glyphz, White_Eyes.
So, I am thinking outside the suspect list and I am Jotun? This is why we are losing so badly....but I already said Romanic is looking good for it.

If you don't want me to think outside the box, fine. Don't come crying to me when you are asking why I didn't see why so and so was mafia.:brood:

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 08:54

So, I am thinking outside the suspect list and I am Jotun? This is why we are losing so badly....but I already said Romanic is looking good for it.

No, I wanted to make it very clear that you're aware that one of Romanic and glyphz are proven Jotun because Sigurd said only one king remained. I need to know you know that, that it has registered, and that you've formed a final opinion on either one being scummier than the other.

After that, we can discuss other suspects. But the more relevant matter is who dies today.

If you don't want me to think outside the box, fine. Don't come crying to me when you are asking why I didn't see why so and so was mafia.:brood:

Think outside the box, just keep your eyes on the ball.

White_eyes:D

07-23-2011, 08:59

We are boned either way....one king left and I doubt Romanic is the only Jotun left. IF we make it another day, do you have any suspects other then me?:stare:

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 09:14

We are boned either way....one king left and I doubt Romanic is the only Jotun left. IF we make it another day, do you have any suspects other then me?:stare:

Yeah we are probably boned, I'm in "let's make it interesting" mode. I'd like to see us push it down to 2 or 1 Jotun remaining.

Maybe Reenk and the others were telling the truth about some ascended to godhood mortals and the Jotun have to kill off more mortals because they became gods. As such, the game isn't lost. It's not lost until Sigurd blows the whistle.

Yeah, there will be suspects other than you. I'd be willing to take a fresh look at anyone remaining, except for the other king if one king turns up Jotun.

glyphz

07-23-2011, 09:15

The idea of lynching a king is counterproductive, but if the write-up is indeed strongly implying that a Jotun is hiding as a king, then there's no other choice but to believe so.
Vote: Romanic

Earthling

07-23-2011, 09:18

We're really kinda doomed, but thinking about it neither Romanic nor glyphz should be lynched. If we're giving up on the game lynch Andres cause we can or if not quite at that point but we just want someone to die it would be pizza. He just went accusing other people and ignoring the need for explanations of his own behavior. Three points on that:

-you don't really have an explanation for lying about whether you knew all of the other kings. Say it's a slip of a tongue, but considering your whole argument about a spy in the network is who said what it's still scummy.

Also, it strongly appears like you knew about Roink despite his claim you shouldn't. ATPG, you had a much, much better motive than anyone to kill Roink, get it done at night so you're not contradicting your statements during the day, but if it wasn't you, it's more likely a lurker Jotun.

It's really hard to believe Romanic went for a hit on Roink as a Jotun, maybe Romanic's partner did on his own initiative, but Roman wasn't believing Roink was more than a basic townie or Loki ally at best and if he was Jotun and figured Roink was a King why not take up the lynch yesterday? Roman's votes don't support him being Jotun. Roink's actions don't support him being a town King for that matter, selling out other Kings and helping Loki kill a few, but there certainly doesn't seem to have been anything going on at all between Roink and Roman.

-Romanic is spot on with your challenging problem pizza and it doesn't make sense. Why would you let your king go to his death on a challenge if you were the champion? Why would you challenge Loki when you are a human guaranteed to die, and all it would prove was Loki was Loki anyway? Far simpler to explain that you are a Jotun simply hoping for the chance to kill Loki.

-you're wrong and hypocritical about Role PMs, specifically what text you believe should be in them. If you truly believe this theory of yours, as a townie, and you and autolycus knew your own PMs since the start, why were you not calling out tratorix for a fake Role PM this whole time?

Taking into account the above and that all parties mentioned could be town -at any rate we won't have more than 1/3 Jotun among pizza/Roman/glyphz and we have just as good of odds for like 2 Jotun out of 6 other players... I would lynch robbiecon at this point, he seems a good fit for Jotun avoiding the WoG, because he certainly did not place enough lynch votes to avoid a WoG as a townie.

Romanic does not look like scum at all through the posting history. Between him and glyphz, it's glyphz if we have to make a call, he lurked too much and made some poor votes, and it's still more likely they are both town than that Roman is Jotun. That would be a decent enough possibility that they are both town Kings and Roink was either not one of the town-aligned Kings the Jotun needed to kill or somehow some non-Jotun was looking for Autolycus to make that "two Kings" statement; until we see glyphz's and Roink's PMs and possibly Tincow's to confirm entirely for sure that one King must be Jotun we shouldn't assume that.

The Jotun could even have lied in the writeup, if they are given influence over how the writeups are written, an elementary mistake we should think of first.

So ultimately I don't think it's worth the risk of killing a Town king and losing right away or making it too easy. Take someone like robbiecon whose posting history is summarized as lurkerscum and hope we get a lurker Jotun would actually be my call at this point, if we could get everyone on board.

TheLastDays

07-23-2011, 09:18

We're all stupid. And it's glyphz, W_E and fluffy. Thanks for listening :yes:

Also vote: glyphz

Also, W_E, I vanished?! I had a :daisy: standoff with the god of chaos! I am not lurking at all this game, yet you vote me after saying we should lynch a lurker. Not so well played, now go ahead and throw your partner glyphz under the bus.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 09:19

The idea of lynching a king is counterproductive, but if the write-up is indeed strongly implying that a Jotun is hiding as a king, then there's no other choice but to believe so.
Vote: Romanic

I agree. But for the record, you do realize why anyone would point a finger at you, right?

Being exposed as a king for basically all game long due to the Holmgang, and no one ever tried to murder you?

I wouldn't blame anyone for lynching you. It's ONLY due to Romanic's behavior in private with the laughing at me when I suggested his fishing was scummy, plus the timing of Renata's death, does he barely edge you out.

This may also be a case of townie acting like scum, what a shame, and scum getting a pass for it. I'm like 45/55 for lynching you over Romanic.

TheLastDays

07-23-2011, 09:24

ATPG vs. Romanic this game = ATPG vs. Andres in the campground

glyphz

07-23-2011, 09:28

Indeed, I can hardly blame anyone if they chose to vote me. The write-up strongly implies that either me or Romanic is a Jotun. We both have king roles, no doubt. It comes down on town scrutinizing our actions/behavior/voting pattern and such.
If one of us goes, and the game somehow continues to the next day phase, w/o the remaining king being night-killed, then lynch the remaining king as well.

glyphz

07-23-2011, 09:33

Being exposed as a king for basically all game long due to the Holmgang, and no one ever tried to murder you?

The only thing that went my way was that the write-up was vague about the switch, and you'll notice that many did not get it at first try. I did not reveal my role and Kagemusha didn't reveal either of his. I assume the Jotun went after publicly exposed Aesir/kings first. Or saved me later (target or lynchbait) while they fish for the rest of the roles, which town did for them :wall:

Earthling

07-23-2011, 09:33

The thing is this choice because Roman and glyphz is not the only option. The ones who are pushing it could be Jotun sealing their victories; if we're going to lose anyway anything worth's a try, and we are trying to salvage something, this is a terrible setup with very little real effort and thought to just decide we choose between these two. It's not even close to a sure thing unless we see several more full Role PMs and believe they are not fake.

It's also completely shameful for glyphz to claim he's the only remaining King and want to lynch Roman without providing his own Role PM.

There are lots of problem with last night of which the supposed Jotun claiming they are close to victory is the smallest concern. Autolycus was a King who shouldn't have been here. The Usurper King is either missing, which makes little sense if Gyda is around and her father now dead, or still out there too. Or TinCow's claim to be Gyda could be a fabrication and classical was right all along that her role is fake (didn't she claim White_eyes was her father, that part of course could be a bluff, but the claim that she knew her father from the start would be a lie, then Roink claims he didn't know TinCow until recently?)

Also, how did Roink get access to an extra activity scan unless all kings had some ability like that which no others said they had? He clearly had third party stuff going on with his daughter if not Loki too. I'm not sure if Roink could provide his Role PM now but someone else should, like White_eyes, if they can.

So...we believe that a Jotun in the writeup implied there's only one real town King left now. Even if true we have a 50/50 shot of lynching the town King today anyway. I don't think we have enough confirmation to accept that in the first place. Lynch Roman because pizza says he's scummy when pizza himself is acting scummy, and lynch glyphz because he was lurking and not Roman and those must be the only choices.

I'd say let those two go and force it into another night if they have to kill at least one King. One more set of challenges with Loki and whatever anyone else has up their sleeves if we lynch another Jotun today.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 09:36

Earthling, I don't want to be rude or even ignore your posts; please summarize your points within a sentence or two for some of us who are in several games and don't have loads of time to read every post in detail; especially if you're repeating previous points.

Basically, if you want to be heard, speak less, not more. I can read a paragraph or two, but not page after page.

This is coming from the guy who used to do what you're doing. That tells you something.

Earthling

07-23-2011, 09:40

It's a bad move to lynch Roman or glyphz - don't lynch either of them unless we see the full Role PMs of glyphz, TinCow, and Roink (from White_eyes) and that confirms for sure a King must be Jotun. There are multiple problems with the writeup and the assertion we have to choose between them otherwise. Plus for the sake of interest in the game it ensures we have another night phase, rather than accidentally ending it right here.

Second point robbiecon looks like a Jotun among the lurkers, anyone can read his posts real fast and he should have been WoG'd if town, so I'd go for him. Gives you/Roman a graceful exit too even if we still lose to the Jotun after catching one.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 09:40

Indeed, I can hardly blame anyone if they chose to vote me. The write-up strongly implies that either me or Romanic is a Jotun. We both have king roles, no doubt. It comes down on town scrutinizing our actions/behavior/voting pattern and such.

Unvote, vote: glyphz

Romanic IS acting like a giant ball of scum. You're being far too passive and impartial-sounding. You should be screaming from the heavens that Romanic is guilty as sin. Your suggested course of action is to scrutinize behavior and voting patterns. You know full well you've never come under any pressure and don't have a giant scum sticker on your forehead like Romanic does.

I just caught a whiff of stinky, smelly, scummy, nasty Jotun.

If one of us goes, and the game somehow continues to the next day phase, w/o the remaining king being night-killed, then lynch the remaining king as well.

Let's start with you, then?

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 09:44

It's a bad move to lynch Roman or glyphz - don't lynch either of them unless we see the full Role PMs of glyphz, TinCow, and Roink (from White_eyes) and that confirms for sure a King must be Jotun. There are multiple problems with the writeup and the assertion we have to choose between them otherwise. Plus for the sake of interest in the game it ensures we have another night phase, rather than accidentally ending it right here.

I do want Romanic and glyphz to post their roles.

Second point robbiecon looks like a Jotun among the lurkers, anyone can read his posts real fast and he should have been WoG'd if town, so I'd go for him. Gives you/Roman a graceful exit too even if we still lose to the Jotun after catching one.

Okay, how about Andres holmgangs robbiecon tonight? Robbiecon has been dropping his activity everywhere, but I refuse to lose to another lurker. He's a really excellent player when he tries, and he knows better.

Earthling

07-23-2011, 09:48

xpost edit - Roman already did post his role pizza. It looks really legitimate to me, and khaan was his champion. If glyphz has an equally convincing role, we have both very solidly proven in that they are supposed to be the Kings of the countries they seem to be and they both had champions, now dead, and it would have to be a pure cover role. No guarantee of catching a Jotun on that. glyphz should still post his role of course.

If you have to lynch one of them as an addendum I'd agree that glyphz being scum is most likely, them both being town second most, and Roman being scum is least likely, so glyphz is the right call just between the two.

I'd still really rather sort out a host of other loose ends than force this two-person showdown followed by a town loss. TinCow's numerous and confusing claims, about her father, someone trying to kill her, surviving that attack, and her actions, make little sense unless we find the Usurper Harald out there, but that means someone else has a role as Harald doing who knows what. Or lynch an unWoG'd lurker just on principle if we're going to lose, or lynch Loki cause we can for all those townies and Kings he killed.

That's my piece though, like ATPG said more extensive observations in the prior posts so I probably won't respond to a question just about what's here that doesn't follow up on something that needs answering.

glyphz

07-23-2011, 09:52

The last few pages have been filled w/ doom and gloom and it finally got to me. I've read townies not even wanting to vote for Loki who I said must be the serial killer and not helping the town cause, or Reenk who's been exposing kings on purpose. I've been going over my head about the town's chances, and the chances fit the atmosphere. Two kings are left, they're publicly exposed, and we're not even positive that we got one Jotun.
I got nothing to contribute to Romanic's case, and am hesitant to vote for him. The cases made against him occured in private chat, and at least a couple of people think he's telling the truth. The only thing I have on him is from reading the last write-up, and since some have come to the same conclusion as me, I placed my vote on Romanic.

glyphz

07-23-2011, 10:00

No point in hiding it. May as well...

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/HumanKing.png
glyphz

Rodulv.

You are the ruler of Romsdal, and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the Kings of the West Coast to agree to a course of action against Harald Hårfagre and his plans to conquer the whole of Norway.

You know from previous meeting such as these, that the Jotun will try to use such gatherings to hasten their purpose in bringing chaos to Midgard, and as such, you should be very careful of revealing who you really are. It would be advisable to let everyone think you are someone else.

Your survival is important. The Jotun, if there are any, are out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Kings.

You have a champion in your retinue. He is the only one who knows your true role.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Remember, the Jotun will be looking for you and will discover that someone took your place.

Your champion is Kagemusha

Holmgang ability: = 7

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 10:12

My mind is jelly and I just closed and I have an early open long shift tomorrow.

I can't tell if there's anything obvious about that role which is wrong. Didn't we already know which kingdoms there were in the game? Shouldn't we know which one is false by default then?

Kagemusha's death should reveal if he was from the same nation. Who was the War Vet for that kingdom?

Unvote, vote: abstain

I am leaning glyphz but I am not thinking clearly and I don't have time for this. PLEASE, read everything you can and decide this one correctly. I don't want my vote to be on the wrong person when you make your choice, the Jotun will just wagon with me.

I think romanic has acted like a bag of scumballs, but I also think there's no way glyphz should still be alive.

TheLastDays

07-23-2011, 10:22

If it's one of the two, i believe it is glyphz.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 10:28

If anyone has time, and this is definitely a Renata/Romanic/similar job, I'd like to see the vote totals for the end of each round, and I'd like to see quotes linking back to all of Romanic and glyphz' votes during the game.

I'll read that before work tomorrow and place my vote based on that. Or, if you've made a decision and are mostly bent one way, I'm not going to try to override.

Renata

07-23-2011, 11:19

I can't do it, this being a Saturday, but I sort of hope that Romanic does.

Of course both roles look legit; why would Sigurd give an obviously-fake PM as a cover?

Autolycus' death-by-Jotun would clear you, Pizza, if this were the last game's rules. Not sure what more to say about it than that.

Between white_eyes' behavior and that one post by glyphz I'd probably vote glyphz. On, you know, zero real information.

TheLastDays

07-23-2011, 12:02

Well, again: The whole fight between ATPG and Romanic reminds me too much of the Andres - ATPG fight in the campground.
From Romanic's posts so far he doesn't strike me as guilty.

Glyphz should be dead by now. His survival alone is a good argument to lynch him. Also, obviously, one of the remaining kings is Jotun and I don't think it's Romanic.

White_Eyes behaved strange today and before. He avoids saying anything in particular today, not wanting to be decisive, rather talking about the lynches for tomorrow when we don't even know if there will be a tomorrow.
He also makes a nonsensical case against me, trying to diverse the town's votes more.

TinCow

07-23-2011, 12:46

I think the whole 'Jotun must be either Glyphz/Romanic' is scum whitewash. Reenk's death clearly had some input from the scum. Sigurd, on his own, wouldn't just randomly insert a joke death in what have otherwise been relatively straight-laced write-ups. If the scum can influence the write-ups, the scum could have planted that line to force us into lynching a King.

ATPG, I'd like to go back to this one:

-Romanic is spot on with your challenging problem pizza and it doesn't make sense. Why would you let your king go to his death on a challenge if you were the champion? Why would you challenge Loki when you are a human guaranteed to die, and all it would prove was Loki was Loki anyway? Far simpler to explain that you are a Jotun simply hoping for the chance to kill Loki.

This is a very good point. I'd like some more discussion about why you didn't fight in autolycus' place. The odd challenge to a claimed God also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yes, I've seen your 'fun' explanation, and you are definitely someone who plays for entertainment. However, your style of fun tends to be verbal WIFOM, it seems out of character for you to make an actual game-mechanics suicidal move just for the lulz. It looks more like an attempt to off a God without a night action.

TheLastDays

07-23-2011, 14:03

Well, tbh, there is a strong possibility that STPG is actually scum, but if he is... we're screwed anyway. We all handed him the game willingly.

But as for the Holmgang, as far as I understood the mechanics, it's up to the king to make his champion fight in his stead, not the champion who makes that call.

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 14:35

This is right up there with Reenk challenging Autolycus.

auto challenged me. So even if the Jotun didn't decide to kill me before, they would have clearly seen in the holmgang writeup that we were kings.

By the way, some patsy you were auto. You didn't get the Jotun off my back and you also got yourself killed. :laugh4: WHO IS YOU KING NOW ATPG? :smug:

Autolycus died by Reenk's hands in a fairly even matchup

Not even close

selling out other Kings

I sold out one, autolycus. At the end. Because I thought that the Jotun were going to kill me.

helping Loki kill a few

You have no idea what you're talking about here. Wish Andres was here to set this one straight.

Roink was either not one of the town-aligned Kings

:laugh4:

I'm not sure if Roink could provide his Role PM now but someone else should, like White_eyes, if they can.

Please don't do it White eyes. For the sake of ALL we have built. For the sake of GHs untimely death. It will ruin any last hope.

don't lynch either of them unless we see the full Role PMs of glyphz, TinCow, and Roink (from White_eyes) and that confirms for sure a King must be Jotun.

ROLE PM CLAIMS MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE OF COVER ROLES. JUST LYNCH THE GUY YOU THINK IS WORST. ALL OF THEM LOOK BAD BUT WHATEVER.

or Reenk who's been exposing kings on purpose.

See above. Only one king was exposed. You were exposed due to a challenge, I merely pointed it out again and again so that the Jotun would have another person on their list before me. So imagine my surprise and disappointment when you're still alive and I'm dead. :mean:

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 15:05

Look: there are 7 kingdoms but 6 kings (both writeup given - we need to start with a set of axioms now otherwise we'll get no where - if we get a good model of where we are, even if it's wrong, we gave it our best shot - stop worrying about picking wrong at this point anyway :stare: THIS IS MDIGARD :laugh4:)

1 false king, but to hide him better, the kingdom has actually been flushed out fully (instead of say giving a cover role with an existing king and his kingdom). Mean as **** Sigurd. :laugh4:

Not only that, but looking at auto's, Kage's, and khaan's deaths, it seems like you can have a false king and real champion (how mean), or even, a false champion and real king (insanely mean).

By the way, I'm ignoring evil Gyda theories here, as well as Loki and go knows whatever mechanics his role has. Just for reference, in M1, I had the choice, and once I chose, I got a contact of a Jotun, in this case Atpg (Alex, not Pizza). I COULD NOT REVEAL THIS OR QUOTE THE PM OR CHANGE MY ALLEGIANCE. I hope to god that 1) the same is true for Loki here, 2) he chose town and me and Chaotix were his contacts.

So go from here.

auto challenged me. So even if the Jotun didn't decide to kill me before, they would have clearly seen in the holmgang writeup that we were kings.

By the way, some patsy you were auto. You didn't get the Jotun off my back and you also got yourself killed. :laugh4: WHO IS YOU KING NOW ATPG? :smug:

Not even close

I sold out one, autolycus. At the end. Because I thought that the Jotun were going to kill me.

You have no idea what you're talking about here. Wish Andres was here to set this one straight.

:laugh4:

Please don't do it White eyes. For the sake of ALL we have built. For the sake of GHs untimely death. It will ruin any last hope.

ROLE PM CLAIMS MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE OF COVER ROLES. JUST LYNCH THE GUY YOU THINK IS WORST. ALL OF THEM LOOK BAD BUT WHATEVER.

See above. Only one king was exposed. You were exposed due to a challenge, I merely pointed it out again and again so that the Jotun would have another person on their list before me. So imagine my surprise and disappointment when you're still alive and I'm dead. :mean:

Believer

07-23-2011, 15:09

Lynch Glyphz.

Reenk Roink

07-23-2011, 15:48

TL;DR
If you are to lynch defensively lynch Atpg
If you are to lynch based on the case lynch glyphz
If you are to lynch based the the "scummy" lynch Romanic

So we have our 3 candidates: Romanic, Atpg, glyphz

Romanic - Jotun posing as King

Romanic is actually the one I feel has the weakest case on at this point but it is counterbalanced by the fact that I think he just seems the most guilty. From what I have so far, Romanic might be guilty because of his role fishing, people dying when he knows about them (Renata specifically). I thought he reacted poorly when I called him a Jotun too. So not too much from what I see here.

glyphz - Jotun posing as King

glyphz has come up only recently because it seems unfathomable that such an exposed king would be left alone for so long. For example, as soon as classical and woad were exposed, they were killed. Perhaps, you say, glyphz was a bit more quiet than the other two? Yes, I agree, but I made it a point of reminding everyone who glyphz was every round or so so that the Jotun would have another kill bait wasted. They never bit... I think the case on glyphz is above average.

Atpg - Jotun posing as Champion

Atpg is the most odd case of them all. It doesn't seem to jive with the whole 7 kingdoms and 6 real kings thing. Having a legit king with a Jotun champion is also a really favorably embedded role for the Jotun. But then again, he was again at the center of a network (though I agree that the network wasn't the big issue here, the big issue was the public claims or hints to claims - the Jotun have had a steady stream of kills since the start of the game). Almost everyone in the network seems to hate him. And the one odd thing is not coming to auto's aid in the duel. My champion was the very first pro town role to die this game, so I have no idea how the replacement thing is supposed to work. glyphz does, but then again, he's a suspect. :dizzy2: Also, if we are lynching based on risks, lynching a champion wrongly is much less worse than lynching the last king wrongly. I also don't I think Atpg has a case as strong as glyphz against him, but I feel he is less scummy, if I have to use that word, than Romanic.

B-Wing

07-23-2011, 17:36

Fascinating game. I don't have anything new to offer, but I'll mention this.

Renata was the only player I had extensive communication with in this game, and both her and I died on the same night shortly after TLD and ATPG attained my role PM. TinCow was the only other player who I explicitly revealed my role to. All three are still alive.

Obviously, I didn't do myself any favors by sugggesting that I was a pro-town role early in the game, but the fact that my primary confidant died on the same night as me after giving my specific role away to three other players really makes me suspect that at least one of them is a Jotun.

EDIT: Also, I never actually gave my role PM to ATPG; TheLastDays did, without my permission, after lying about his role to me.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 18:41

Vote: Glyphz

Because if Romanic is scum, we deserve this.

Basically everyone I see agrees that glyphz needs the axe, or I do. Well, I certainly understand the ATPG needs the axe sentiment. But only I know for sure who I am. As for why didn't I step in for Autolycus?

You're asking the wrong guy, dudes. ASK AUTOLYCUS. He's the king, that's HIS decision!!! He was a real king too, so your whole line of reasoning there is bull poo.

:rolleyes: :laugh4: for emphasis.

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2011, 18:45

I'm off to work, so that's the last you'll hear from me while the game still can flip either way.

Have Andres challenge me dead tonight if you need me dead for satisfaction purposes. That just leaves Romanic in the equation.

Otherwise, perhaps I was really on to something when I pointed out that my spicy pepperoni is on your minds far too much. :2thumbsup:

Kill a Jotun or you deserve to lose. :stare:

thefluffyone93

07-23-2011, 19:37

Kill a Jotun or you deserve to lose. :stare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--5NkNPz7uE&feature=related

Romanic

07-23-2011, 19:54

The current votes are forcing me to protect myself in a way that I don't like.

3 Romanic (Chaotix, Tratorix, glyphz)
2 glyphz (TheLastDays, ATPG)
1 ATPG (Romanic)
1 TheLastDays (White_Eyes)

Thus my survival is linked to vote glyphz, someone my main suspect ATPG is voting for. I've pointed out why I think ATPG is Jotun :

1) His lie about not knowing DIY.
2) His case on me, which is the biggest load of BS I've seen him pull since he was Scum in Bridge Zhou Far. Of course you all cannot see that, as you were not part of the discussions we've had, but really he's Scum, or he's turning into an exaggeration machine mixed with lies chocolate bits to make his case look stronger (such as Earthling often does).

Now he's voting glyphz instead of me, when he's been after me a lot recently, and I'm not sure why he's pulling back. His posts aren't really explaining this imo.

I'm also not liking the fact that some of you are deducing from this,

A dark shadow lurked into the Hålogaland camp looking for a certain man. The man was however nowhere to be found. The shadow stood up and sniffed the air and grinned. He searched the area and finally found what he was looking for. He crouched and picked up a King’s cloak pin. He whispered; Two remain.

That only ONE king remains at this point. People are assuming that this "dark shadow" has no knowledge of Reenk's death because it's written below in the writeup. I simply not agree with this for two reasons:

1) It's unclear whether we should interpret this as "Two Kings remained before Reenk was killed".
2) Why would Sigurd provide a King cover role if he was to reveal its existence like this, at such a critical point? If you believe this possible, you must think Sigurd is growing soft and trying to help the Town because we're failing so miserably. Personally, I don't think so.

So if you're not ready to switch your votes away from one of the claimed Kings, I will have to vote glyphz, but I don't like it. The alternative for me would be to play stubborn, keeping my vote on ATPG, but it's even worse as I'd be throwing the towel on the game.

I'm leaving for work in about one hour, so at that point, I'll re-evaluate if I should switch my vote or not.

Romanic

07-23-2011, 20:17

I'm alone here, what am I waiting for?

unvote; vote: glyphz

Earthling

07-23-2011, 20:39

I almost never lie about anything. Roman and TinCow make a lot of sense pointing out the same flawed reasoning from the writeup, though I suppose either could say that too if they were non-town, especially TinCow.

Here's the tl;dr of the cases again:

if you want to lynch defensively lynch robbiecon
if you want to lynch based on scummy behavior lynch pizza
if you want to finish off someone who is likely non-town and roll with the loss to the Jotun lynch Andres or TinCow
if you want to lynch based on the unproven guess a King must be Jotun, lynch glyphz
if you're a scum trying to kill a townie lynch Romanic

TinCow

07-23-2011, 20:49

The only way to win is to lynch ATPG. There were at least two jotun alive last night. If one of the kings is jotun then the game is already over because the other jotun will kill the remaining king and end it. Thus, it doesn't matter whether we lynch Romanic or glyphz, we lose either way. The only way we can win is if both kings are legit and we lynch a non-king. Thus, ATPG is the only lynch option.

Vote: ATPG

thefluffyone93

07-23-2011, 20:54

FOR TEH LULZ!!!

Vote: ATPG

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 20:56

FOR TEH LULZ!!!

Vote: ATPG

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

For the lulz indeed.

thefluffyone93

07-23-2011, 20:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM

Earthling

07-23-2011, 21:11

The only way we can win is if both kings are legit and we lynch a Jotun.

That's a good way to put it and it does pretty much sum it up.

TinCow

07-23-2011, 21:31

We need some more votes on ATPG. Remember that tie-vote is a no-lynch, which is certain doom, just like lynching glyphz or Romanic. Ironic that Romanic's vote is now on glyphz, even though he says he wants to vote for ATPG.

3 glyphz (TheLastDays, ATPG, Romanic)
3 ATPG (TinCow, fluffy, Tratorix)
2 Romanic (Chaotix, glyphz)
1 TheLastDays (White_Eyes)

Renata

07-23-2011, 21:36

Fabulous. No lynch.

Sigurd

07-23-2011, 22:05

voting closed

TinCow

07-23-2011, 22:07

voting closed

I think this deserves the ultimate facepalm.

http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/308920-kspiess/920/28/facepalm.jpg

Diamondeye

07-23-2011, 22:11

That is so Meta, Douglas Hofstadter would've groaned.

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 22:13

I personally think this is the perfect note to end the game on. :laugh4:

thefluffyone93

07-23-2011, 22:13

1606

Sigurd

07-23-2011, 22:20

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Midgardsaga_yellow_red_logo.png

Day 6

The remaining retinues were not at all sure who the perpetrators were. They discussed the possibility that there was the usurper king among them. And that he might be the cause of all this. Another theory was that Jotun was among them, laughable as that was.
The Hovgod only smiled when these theories were presented to him.
Let's have the tally shall we?

Askthepizzaguy: 3 (Thefluff, TinCow, Tratorix)
glyphz : 3 (ATPG, Romanic, TheLastDays)

Romanic: 2 (Chaotix, glyphz)
TheLastDays: 1 (WE:D)

not voting: 3 (Andres, Khazaar, robbiecon)

Oh this is unfortunate; said the Hovgod. You know I can't allow an execution when it is not clear who we should execute. You have two candidates with 3 votes each. I am sorry but we will have to end this day with no blood.
PMs and challenges people

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
glyphz
Khazaar
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
B_Ray (N5)
Believer (N5)
Renata (N5)
Reenk Roink (N6)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Nightbringer (D4)
Diamondeye (D5)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)
GeneralHankerchief (H4)
autolycus (H5)

Tratorix

07-23-2011, 22:27

Challenge: thefluffyone93

For teh lulz.

seireikhaan

07-23-2011, 23:59

Back.

What an absolute failure of a round. I don't even know where to go to express how infuriating that was to read.

GeneralHankerchief

07-23-2011, 23:59

This game is going to have a special place in Mafia history by the time it's all over. :laugh4:

TheLastDays

07-24-2011, 00:00

challenge: Andres

I wanna die in battle...

Reenk Roink

07-24-2011, 00:04

Excellent. :laugh4: Why let the town do more damage to itself? Make the Jotun do some work.

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 00:07

Challenge: thefluffyone93

For teh lulz.

YES!

Challenge: Tratorix

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 00:49

Back.
What an absolute failure of a round. I don't even know where to go to express how infuriating that was to read. Indeed. *sighs* Challenge:Tratorix

You can just tell that the Jotun bandwagoned to do this....why is TinCow still alive?:laugh4:

TinCow

07-24-2011, 01:37

You can just tell that the Jotun bandwagoned to do this....why is TinCow still alive?:laugh4:

Damn, you noticed. I thought we would get away with that move. fluffy, Tratorix, and I knew it would be a big gamble to bandwagon to save Romanic and glyphz, but we figured it was a worthwhile risk to spare the people we have to kill. Yeah, it makes our job tougher, but we're from West Norway. That's how we roll in the Big W. WEST SIIIIDE 4 LIF!

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 01:53

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 02:07

HURR DURR

TinCow

07-24-2011, 02:21

TinCow, you did a number on town this game. If your Jotun, I am forever in awe of your ability's. Pizzaguy, Reenk and GH never suspected you once. I still think you killed believer on purpose but you know how town is.:shrug:

I wish I could claim credit for this magnificent fiasco, but unfortunately I will be ruing it as much as the rest of the town. I think there's a Midgard Curse or something. Not only does the town always lose these games, the town always loses them badly. At least it's been an entertaining fiasco.

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 02:28

If your not Jotun, you disappoint me TinCow.:brood:

I could do very little...I didn't even get a duel which I have been seeking since round one. I can only hope I set a record for "Weakest townie that sent out the most challenges".:bounce:

Edit:Not trying to be too hard on TinCow. I am just sad that nothing went right.:wall:

B-Wing

07-24-2011, 03:01

TinCow

07-24-2011, 03:18

Perhaps it's late to be asking, but what exactly is the purpose of duels in these games? I assume the Jotun have godlike Holmgang abilities, so who does it help? This is my first Midgardsaga game, BTW.

Theoretically, they can be used to detect Jotun. We saw their ability to expose Gods twice this game, and it would be possible to do the same with Jotun. However, as far as I am aware they have never been used effectively (though I did not play Midgard I). IMHO, the only way for Holmgang to be used effectively as a mafia-detection device is for the town to restrain itself and to only do one challenge per night, and have that challenge include at least one town suspect. It's impossible to get townies to do that though, so it remains only a theoretical mafia detection device, not a practical one.

There is also a secondary purpose, which is fun. It gives townies something to do at night, even if it gets half of them killed.

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 03:28

B_Ray, you have 666 posts!

LE GASP

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 03:38

Challenge: Townies to have one round where they don't totally fail in epic fashion

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 03:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 03:54

Tratorix

07-24-2011, 03:58

THEY ALSO HAVE TO KILL THE PROTOWN ROLES OMG OMG OMG OMG :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Oh Tincow, why? Why? WHY????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 03:59

I've solved the game, gentlemen. Albeit one round too late.

Traitor-ix
TheJotunOne
Jo-glyphtun

And we deserve this so much. So. Much.

Tratorix

07-24-2011, 04:02

I've solved the game, gentlemen. Albeit one round too late.

Traitor-ix
TheJotunOne
Jo-glyphtun

And we deserve this so much. So. Much.

That last ones a bit of a stretch. Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:03

Well, at least I'm correct about YOU, Jo-Traitor-ix-tun.

Tratorix

07-24-2011, 04:05

Well, at least I'm correct about YOU, Jo-Traitor-ix-tun.

:rolleyes::laugh4:

I'm not sure i've ever seen you be so consistently wrong in a game. It's kind of refreshing.

TinCow

07-24-2011, 04:07

THEY ALSO HAVE TO KILL THE PROTOWN ROLES OMG OMG OMG OMG :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Oh Tincow, why? Why? WHY????

:sick: Oh... ah... yeah. I suppose this game wouldn't be complete without me completely screwing up at least one case. I keep telling you people I'm not good at hunting scum, I'm only good at making people think I'm good at hunting scum. The problem is, I keep convincing myself of that as well. I blame my parents.

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:09

:sick: Oh... ah... yeah. I suppose this game wouldn't be complete without me completely screwing up at least one case. I keep telling you people I'm not good at hunting scum, I'm only good at making people think I'm good at hunting scum. The problem is, I keep convincing myself of that as well. I blame my parents.

For the record, if you screwed up because you blamed me for this, that's okay, because I did a hell of a job mucking up this game myself.

Basically, every townie here can point the finger at every other townie here, and we can all take turns tattooing a capital "L" on each other's foreheads.

I don't think there's one person here who isn't a Jotun who can honestly say they did a good job.

This game is failgasmic.

TinCow

07-24-2011, 04:15

For the record, if you screwed up because you blamed me for this, that's okay, because I did a hell of a job mucking up this game myself.

Well, I wasn't actually arguing that you were scum... just that if anyone other than you was scum the game was already over, so might as well try and pull it out by lynching you. I still think Romanic is the most likely Jotun, but I thought the game was over if that was true so there wasn't much point in pursuing it.

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 04:19

I've solved the game, gentlemen. Albeit one round too late.

Traitor-ix
TheJotunOne
Jo-glyphtun

And we deserve this so much. So. Much.Pizzaguy has lost his groove....I never thought I would see this day.:shocked:

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:21

Well, I wasn't actually arguing that you were scum... just that if anyone other than you was scum the game was already over, so might as well try and pull it out by lynching you.

*wince*

I still think Romanic is the most likely Jotun, but I thought the game was over if that was true so there wasn't much point in pursuing it.

It's gonna be okay. It's going to be okay. This is like a disaster that we all went through together. And, basically, there's no way we could possibly screw up a game any harder. It can ONLY get better once this game is over.

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Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:22

Pizzaguy has lost his groove....I never thought I would see this day.:shocked:

I'll have you know I've been busy with stuff. :stare:

And things!

Insert plausible excuses here.

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 04:23

For the record, if you screwed up because you blamed me for this, that's okay, because I did a hell of a job mucking up this game myself.

Basically, every townie here can point the finger at every other townie here, and we can all take turns tattooing a capital "L" on each other's foreheads.

I don't think there's one person here who isn't a Jotun who can honestly say they did a good job.

This game is failgasmic.

HA!
I think I did a wonderful job......

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:25

HA!
I think I did a wonderful job......

I think the less a townie contributed to this game, the better they did.

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 04:27

Exactly mah point!
That, and it was fun watching the town catastrophically crash and burn.

CRASH AND BURN!!!

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 04:28

I really hope you're a Jotun Fluffy. It would be absolutely fitting.

This game was an epic troll on the town.

Romanic

07-24-2011, 04:53

What's wrong with you all? Waiting for me to move my vote away from ATPG before deciding that yes, he's a good lynch.

And doing so, like 5 minutes after I left for work. :no:

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 05:41

I think the less a townie contributed to this game, the better they did.
You must be joking...the fact that lurkers have likely gained two runaway victory's is facedesk worthy.(If TinCow is really not a Jotun)

But rules have been put into place to protect them and we must abide by them...there like an endangered animal now.:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 05:56

What's wrong with you all? Waiting for me to move my vote away from ATPG before deciding that yes, he's a good lynch.

And doing so, like 5 minutes after I left for work. :no:

Look at me, Romanic.

Look, at, me.

This is all Lord Winter's fault.

Does everyone understand me? :stare: That's what happened. That's what I'm going to say happened.

Chaotix

07-24-2011, 06:08

...................................

Sorry, but did we really just do that?

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 06:15

~:handball:Yes, yes we did.:smoking:

glyphz

07-24-2011, 06:21

as anti-climatic as it gets...
:stwshame:

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 06:35

This is like putting your hand in hot fryer grease, screaming, and then reaching in with your other hand to pull your first hand out.

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 06:40

Nothing like fighting over who owns the house, while it burns to the ground.:smartass:

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 07:18

This is like putting your hand in hot fryer grease, screaming, and then reaching in with your other hand to pull your first hand out.

Mmmmmmmm.....
fried hands.............

CAAAAAAARRRRL......THAT KILLS PEOPLE!

Visor

07-24-2011, 10:31

ATPG, by your logic, I was the best townie (well besides the Night Zero kills, buth they didn't even really do anything at all to get town victory. :P) cause I was lynched day one.

Lol, you saved me some suffering it seems. :P

Askthepizzaguy

07-24-2011, 10:44

Meh, it was still fun.

I had fun, I don't care. Mafia X was loads of fun and we didn't budge the scums at all.

I can't wait for the postgame so we can to an autopsy and see exactly where things went off the rails while the game was still sane. It's clearly obvious what went wrong in the last couple rounds, though.

Diamondeye

07-24-2011, 11:11

Yeah, you lynched me. Good going :tongue:

Andres

07-24-2011, 20:57

Did we win?

Or did we lose?

Mmmmm....

Andres

07-24-2011, 21:07

challenge: Andres

I wanna die in battle...

Challenge : TheLastDays

thefluffyone93

07-24-2011, 21:07

Did we win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNjQecyjE8

Sigurd

07-24-2011, 22:26

Ok.. this night has ended.
I am having my 12th anniversary with my wife today. So, apologies if things take a little time.

Sigurd

07-24-2011, 22:29

Challenges made:

1. Tratorix vs. Thefluffyone93
2. TheLastDays vs. Andres
3. Thefluffyone93 vs. Tratorix
4. White_eyes:D vs. Tratorix
5 Andres vs. TheLastDays

The Holmgang for this round will be:

[roll0]

3. Thefluffyone93 vs. Tratorix

Sigurd

07-24-2011, 23:46

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Midgardsaga_black_logo.png

Round 7

Night 7

Holmgang # 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053348305&viewfull=1#post2053348305)

The camps were in an uproar after the fiasco, not being able to agree on a candidate for the execution. Words were hard and insulting and one particular man from Fjordane was greatly insulted. He pulled his axe from his belt and yelled challenges to the man who had insulted him. The man from Rogaland answered and drew his fine sharp steel. The Rogaland man drew first blood, but the man from Fjordane was skilled with his axe and it was a heavier weapon in close quarters. He missed his first swing, or apparently missed. He brought the butt of the head back up into the shoulder of the Rogaland man who went down. The Fjordane man was over him in a heartbeat and made mince out of the torso of the Rogaland man who died quite loudly.

Vegard Bjarnesson was weary skulking around the camp. These last days had seen multiple murders. Murders on more capable men than himself. He really should get out of here.
As he neared the resting place he heard someone yelling close by. He looked around and out of the shadows came a half naked man running, sword over his head ready to strike. Vegard unsheathed his own trusted and well used sword and prepared for the strike. The apparently crazed man swung at Vegard who ducked under the razor sharp steel. Vegard was back up in two flashes ready for the next swing. He took it on his blade and felt the tremendous power behind it. It was as if this crazed man was under the influence of something that made him this powerful. As he was battling the crazed man, he heard another yell behind him. He half turned and barely saw the glimmer of a fine specimen of a Frankish blade coming towards his head. Vegard slumped to the ground with his head split open. The two bare chested men looked at each other and departed the scene on separate ways.

After the Holmgang, a lusterous and beautiful woman approaches Jan Pan liker Tran. Follow me, you sexy man. I've got a surprise for you!
She laughs and runs off into the woods. He follows, but she is very fast and he soon falls behind. Eventually he comes to the edge of the fjord, and there in the water is the beautiful woman. Her clothes are in a pile on the shore. She laughs at him again and beckons him to come into the water. Jan Pan quickly strips off his cloths and dives into the water and swims to her. She moves close, and he embraces her. He closes his eyes and puts his arms around her naked body. Something feels odd though. Her back is hairy. Very hairy. And she has really big muscles. He opens his eyes and finds himself kissing a dark and scary creature. He screams, pulls back, and tried not to vomit. The creature looks at him with yellow sad eyes. What's wrong, dear? Don't you think I'm pretty?
The creature puckers his lips and moves to kiss Jan Pan again. He screams and starts swimming for the shore. The creature grabs him by the leg and drags him back into the deep water. "But I love you, you big, brave man! KISS ME!" The creature grabs Jan Pan by the head and kisses him deeply. Very deeply. Jan could not even breathe. He flails against the creature and tries to break free, but he cannot, the creature is too strong. The world goes dark around him and he dies. After his body goes limp in the water, the creature scowls at Jan’s corpse and tosses it aside. Typical man, can't last more than a minute.

vote people...

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
glyphz
Khazaar
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TinCow

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
B_Ray (N5)
Believer (N5)
Renata (N5)
Reenk Roink (N6)
TheLastDays (N7)
White_eyes:D (N7)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Nightbringer (D4)
Diamondeye (D5)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)
GeneralHankerchief (H4)
autolycus (H5)
Tratorix (H6)