Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

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Welcome to the third game in the Midgard saga.
It is not a sequel to the second game, but a standalone game that has a slightly different story line.

This game will still be similar and will have many of the features of the previous games;
Since this is an anniversary, I will not do too many changes from the previous game.
Consider this a Midgard retro game based heavily on the previous two games.

The setting is ancient Norway.
The Kings of the west and retinues are gathered at Hafrsfjord to discuss the possible invasion of a usurper King called Harald Hårfagre.
They blame King Eirik of Hordaland and his daughter for putting the idea of gathering Norway into one kingdom to Harald’s mind.
They all want peace as a war on this scale would tax the small kingdoms of the west coast greatly.

A few Jotun has infiltrated the entourage and will try to kill all the Kings at this gathering, hoping to make sure this war will happen and maybe escalate it to an all encompassing war
in the Viking world that would put an end to all there is.


The Roles:

Kings – this will be the Kings from the small kingdoms of the west coast of Norway
Jotun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jötunn) – the Mafiosi
Pro-town roles
Townies (various roles in the retinue of the Kings)

The Jotun's main object is to kill the Kings + the pro-town roles. If they are able to do so they will win.

The Rules:

Dead may post but not vote.
No screen shots of my PMs … You might try to claim a role by either quoting PMs or making one up.
All roles are within the Norse realm.
Remember to stay active; the roles depend on you being active and WoOs (Wrath of Odinn) will create advantages to the Jotun. Jotun will never be WoO’ed.

Roles that require sending PMs will do so at their discretion. However there will be a deadline. If they get sent in after that deadline they will not be used for that round.
The timer starts when I post my: “The game has started”. I will send my PMs and you will return PMs if you role requires it.
In short; you have 24 hours to pm me after I start the game. This will give you plenty of time to get to know your in-game buddies/allies and devise a strategy.
There will be a 24 hour session between every intermission. i.e. between the posting of the night kills and the posting of the lynching and then again until the next kill post.

Voting: use the standard. I.e.


Vote: Sigurd
Unvote: Sigurd Vote: Sasaki.
Do not edit posts containing votes. The original vote will be the vote.

Holmgang: (passage of arms, lit.transl: walk the islet)
After every lynching and in the intermission before the next night, you have the opportunity to challenge another player to a duel.
The first Holmgang will be conducted after the first killings and the first lynching.

There will be some sore feelings after the lynching since someone’s cook or serf man got executed. Others might gloat and smirk.
This will generate a little disturbance at the Hafrsfjord encampment and the normal way of settling this is by Holmgang. If you want to challenge another player, the procedure is:

Challenge: Sigurd.

The first 6 challenges will be considered and by the randomness of a die, one will be picked.
Players can not spam challenge. Only one challenge pr. player will be added to the list of possible Holmgangs (usually the first).
Challenges are binding and you can’t unchallenge.
This Holmgang will be narrated with the kills the following night.
One of the combatants will usually die.
Every role will get a Holmgang ability that will determine the outcome of such a duel.
There is still luck involved in the form of rolling dice and a player with low abilities might be able to get in a lucky shot against a player with higher abilities.
You will not be able to conduct two Holmgang in succession. You will lose some blood during such a duel and you will need to rest during the next Holmgang session.
Luckily you all suffer from Viking sickness and will recover quickly. No honourable Viking will challenge a player in his resting. If someone does – that challenge will not be considered.

I will use a new feature to determine the outcome of these fights. This time around they will be quite public.
In risk style the attacker is at disadvantage since matching dice will favour the defender.
In-game dice that can only be used once in a post and not edited after submitted, will be used in this game.

Holmgang as a tool will need to tested out and see how this can affect the town effort.

Go here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136605-Midgardsaga-III&p=2053338939#post2053338939) to sign up for this game

[Sigurd]

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Round 1






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News of the usurper king of Vestfold and lately Sogn had reached the kingdoms of the west coast. This eastlander had according to a serf woman wooed King Eirik of Hordaland’s daughter Gyda.
This serf woman had told the exact words of Gyda’s decline: “Why should I marry someone as petty as you. Come back when you have conquered the whole of Norway”.

Harald Hårfagre (Finehair) had not been insulted, but took the challenge. Words from other parts of the realm told of armies gathering under the leadership of Harald and his intentions were clear. He means to gather the whole of Norway under one King, namely himself.
The Kings of the West Coast don't want to give their kingdoms over to some usurper King of the East and now a small kingdom of the West.
But it will turn into bloody business unless they can gather a large enough host that will discourage Harald in his quest.

The Kings have agreed to meet in secret at Hafrsfjord in Rogaland with small retinues to discuss what best to do with Harald.
They have agreed to have this meeting under Ting rules and as such have sent for a Hovgod to preside over this meeting.




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The Kings and their retinues arrived one by one and were all met by the elderly man who would be the law speaker at this meeting.
He assigned an area of the place to each retinue with the order of pitching their tents in a semi circle around the area he had designated the meeting to take place.
When all the Kings and their retinues had arrived and gathered before the law speaker, he declared the meeting under Ting laws in session.
This meant that everyone was equal under the law. Kings and commoners would eat at the same table and have equal privileges and rights.
No disputes would be settled in private, but had to be heard publically. Petty disputes could be settled by Holmgang, but only under the law speaker’s approval.



The Game has begun…

When you get your PM’s and if your role needs to send me a PM
You have until tomorrow at 22:00 GMT to send it (deadline)

Good Luck People!

Players:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
classical_hero
Csargo
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Ironside
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Mr. Stuka
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Seon
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
Visorslash
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs

[Reenk Roink]

YE BOI :balloon2:

Vote: abstain courteously :bow:
Challenge: Seamus

[Reenk Roink]

By the way I want to show you how big of a holmgangsta I am so please challenge me. :duel:

[Sigurd]

All right.. in case any other wise guys attempt anything.
This game starts with a night. Nothing else to do in this thread than to get acquainted at this time. Get to know your roles and your allies and if you need to plan your strategies, do so before 22:00 GMT tomorrow.

[Reenk Roink]

God Gyda is such a *****... :no: If she had just put out, a thousand honorable Vikings could go back to bedding their better looking wives, but of course, that was the point of your war mongering wasn't it? :stare:

[TheLastDays]

I agree, let's just force her to marry the guy.

[Nightbringer]

But if she doesn't marry him...
we can all FIGHT about it!

and what viking doesn't love fighting!
*peers around accusingly at everyone*

[Mr. Stuka]

But if she doesn't marry him...
we can all FIGHT about it!

YARGGGG!

[Believer]

And what viking doesn't love fighting!


None of us love fighting, or are you saying you're a Jotun?

[Nightbringer]

None of us love fighting, or are you saying you're a Jotun?

Hah! The Jotun are a myth, and vikings most certainly do love fighting!

1515

[TheLastDays]

FoS: Nightbringer

You are aware that we are holding this meeting to avoid an all encompassing war, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You see those three giant blades?

Mine are bigger.

[Andres]

You see those three giant blades?

Mine are bigger.

Big blades to compensate for a tiny body part?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Big blades to compensate for a tiny body part?


Big blades to remove big mouth from big face of big wiseguy. :viking:

[Andres]

Big blades to remove big mouth from big face of big wiseguy. :viking:

Said the man who needs a looking glass to find his tiny friend...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Said the man who needs a looking glass to find his tiny friend...

You'll need a search party to find yours. :wiseguy:

[Nightbringer]

Now now now, I'm sure you all have very small friends and we can worry about finding them and matching them to the proper owners AFTER we are done with all the warring and killing and I have finished chopping you all into little pieces.

[Andres]

You'll need a search party to find yours. :wiseguy:

You would be surprised whose wive is part of the daily big search parties interested in finding it :smug:

[Andres]

FoS: Nightbringer

You are aware that we are holding this meeting to avoid an all encompassing war, right?

And in the process, we can beat up some womenly cowards calling for peace and calmth :stare:

[Nightbringer]

And in the process, we can beat up some womenly cowards calling for peace and calmth :stare:

Hear hear!

Peace and calpth be for the weak!

This place should only be for manly men like me!
http://images.costumes.net/viking-warrior-costume.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

You would be surprised whose wive is part of the daily big search parties interested in finding it :smug:

*bursts out laughing*

You are a very funny man. I will make sure guests at your funeral know this.

[Andres]

This place should only be for manly men like me!
http://images.costumes.net/viking-warrior-costume.jpg

:inquisitive:

~:confused:

Gyda?

[Major Robert Dump]

Please stop arguing
We are here for the Peace
Or should I say Piece?
Where go the pub?

[TinCow]

I like pacifists. They are easier to kill.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Who all wants Cashews and Milk?

[Captain Blackadder]

Hear hear!

Peace and calpth be for the weak!

This place should only be for manly men like me!
http://images.costumes.net/viking-warrior-costume.jpg

You will be crushed like 9 flabby grapes.

[TheLastDays]

Alright [/pacifist mode]

See you all in Valhalla!

[Mr. Stuka]

Nordmøre rulez! YARGGGG!

[Believer]

Alright [/pacifist mode]

See you all in Valhalla!

Obvious Jotun is obvious.

[Kagemusha]

Would you all already shut up! And where is my beer? And my whench! And yesterday, where in Jotunheim it went?

[Sigurd]

Deadline reached. No more orders accepted

[Sigurd]

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Night 1



The journey to Hafrsfjord had been long for most of the retinues and rest would be welcome.
Tents and other facilities had to be taken care of first and the men were even more tired when all had settled in properly. Food were prepared and Kings and common men took their share to their sleeping place expecting sudden collapse when bellies were filled.

One such man was Sander Magnusson, a War Veteran from Sunnmøre. He had a large tankard of delicious mead that he really looked forward to enjoying with his meal. The journey had been strenuous on his old frame and the alcoholic beverage would dull some of the pain he felt in his small back. He got to his sleeping place and sat down. The hot food smelled delicious and he took a large spoonful of the oat porridge stuffed with pieces of apple and honey. That was just what he needed, but more so the beverage standing next to him. He took the tankard and smelled the liquid in it. Strange, it didn’t have the smell of fermented honey and fruit. This close to the fjord it only smelled like the sea. Ah, well it surely would taste good. He took a long sip before the salty taste hit home. He never noticed the little fish called Fjesing who came into his mouth with the sea water. The little thing is very poisonous and as it slid down his throat its barbs left a smear of venom in the angry wounds they caused. Sander collapsed sensing his throat growing thick. He couldn’t utter a word as his windpipe got crushed by the swelling from the venom. The pain was excruciating as the venom cascaded through his blood stream. He could feel muscle and blood vessels disintegrate where the venom went. He tried to scream but no air could find its way down to his lunges. He just lay on his back unable to move and welcomed the darkness that finally enveloped him.


Gunnar Grove a serf and soldier from Rogaland had finished his meal when he heard a primeval roar nearby. He sat up and saw a shadow moving fast towards him. This was strange he thought as a man wearing nearly no clothes sprang into the camp fire light. The man's eyes red and mouth foaming, Gunnar was about to decide if this was a danger or not when the man took Gunnar by the head and smashed a stone into his temple. Gunnar was gone to distant pastures in an instant. The man suddenly calmed down and looked confused. He returned to where he came from, shaking his head, not knowing what had just happened.

Knud Bamse Jardarsson from Hålogaland needed the use of the privy and moved into the nearby woods when he heard a gargling sound behind him. He turned and saw a well known man in his small clothes charging him with a long Frankish blade. Knud was about to protest when the sword cut through his throat with such force that the beheading didn't cause the head to drop. Knud’s body not having its faculties, collapsed in a heap, head rolling into the privy.

Steinar Sturlasson a War Veteran from Fjordane had finished his meal and were oblivious to the ruckus happening in the nearby camps. He felt cold and inched towards the campfire under his blanket. He wished he could get a little warmer.
The campfire, only hot embers in the dark, suddenly blazed up and flames and sparks started dancing around him. The flames grew hotter and more intense and the air around Steinar stated to boil. The heat got so intense that Steinar tried to flee coughing in the unbreathable air. The sparks and flames jumped onto him without burning his clothes or skin. He started to scream but flames jumped into his open throad and singed his windpipe so badly that only gargling sounds could be heard. Steinar was burning from inside out and the pain was excruciating. Soon only the blackened remains of his once strong frame dropped into the mud. He never saw the smirking shadow leaving camp into the forest.

Some commotion came out of these events but for the most part, weary men rested through the night.
It was not until dawn that the retinues realised truly what had happened.
Four men perished during the night, some mysteriously and others obviously. The camps losing men started accusing others of murder and the Hovgod had to step in.
The men from Sunnmøre, Rogaland, Fjordane and Hålogaland all accused each other for the evil deeds committed. The elderly man heard each of their complaints; two of the killings caught his attention and he followed up with lengthy inquiries. The other two he just brushed off with a smirk.
The camps wanted justice and the Hovgod had to settle this by popular vote to stop a possible blood feud. He asked them to investigate because it was obvious that the killings had been done by someone in the camps. There were no settlements for several leagues.

Return later with a candidate that you think is the culprit and justice can be somewhat satisfied.

You have until 22:00 GMT to find us a candidate for this day’s lynching.

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
classical_hero
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Ironside
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Mr. Stuka
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
Visorslash
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)

[Tratorix]

Vote: Andres, Challenge: WhiteEyes:D.

Come at me, bro! :stare:

[Mr. Stuka]

I pay my respects to those so brutally killed.

Vote: Tratorix You seem too light-hearted on such a solemn occasion.

[Tratorix]

I pay my respects to those so brutally killed.

Vote: Tratorix You seem too light-hearted on such a solemn occasion.

Solemn? Ha! The words of a coward! We shall root out these vermin and flay them alive for what they have done! Or is that what you're afraid of, Mister Stuka? :laugh4:

[Mr. Stuka]

Solemn? Ha! The words of a coward! We shall root out these vermin and flay them alive for what they have done! Or is that what you're afraid of, Mister Stuka? :laugh4:

Me? Afraid? NEVER! I am Hundfjord Mørekonge, the Champion of Nordmøre, you dare question my allegiance?!?! :stare:

But seriously, I don't wanna fight ya.

[Visor]

Challenge: Mr Stuka

Why not?

Just read that this challenge is unable to go forth until the lynch is over. Yay for survival.

[Tratorix]

Me? Afraid? NEVER! I am Hundfjord Mørekonge, the Champion of Nordmøre, you dare question my allegiance?!?! :stare:

But seriously, I don't wanna fight ya.

A champion who doesn't want to fight is like a fish that doesn't want to swim, it rubs me the wrong way. Unvote: Andres, Vote: Mrs. Stuka

[Visor]

Can't fight anyway.

Who is this "Askthepizzaguy"? What in Odin's name is Pizza? Must be some sort of devil thing...

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[B-Wing]

Vote: ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88

Explanation not included.

[Mr. Stuka]

Vote: Mrs. Stuka
YARGGGG! Them's fightin words! And don't bring my wife into this!

But I was trying to save my fighting skills for anyone that tries to challenge my king. For I am his loyal servant.

[Chaotix]

Four down already? This game's gonna be rough.

Good to see Tratorix, white_eyes, and glyphz back for more, some of the crew I played my first games with.

Vote: B_Ray

There are many, many good reasons to vote for Warman at any point during any game. How could you not come up with even one?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Can't fight anyway.

Who is this "Askthepizzaguy"? What in Odin's name is Pizza? Must be some sort of devil thing...



Vote: Askthepizzaguy




Vote: ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88

Explanation not included.

Unvote:Askthepizzaguy
Vote: B_Ray


Meanie! :clown:

[Tratorix]

YARGGGG! Them's fightin words!

But I was trying to save my fighting skills for anyone that tries to challenge my king. For I am his loyal servant.

If you'd like, you can turn around and I'll painta big target on you're back. Since you're trying to draw attention to yourself and all.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Four down already? This game's gonna be rough.

Good to see Tratorix, white_eyes, and glyphz back for more, some of the crew I played my first games with.

Vote: B_Ray

There are many, many good reasons to vote for Warman at any point during any game. How could you not come up with even one?

:laugh4::laugh4:

[Mr. Stuka]

If you'd like, you can turn around and I'll painta big target on you're back. Since you're trying to draw attention to yourself and all.

Yes, do whatever makes you feel good about yourself. :2thumbsup:

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Nightbringer
Challenge:Tratorix

Real Vikings meet challenges head-on.:viking:

Wanted to fight Reenk through.....:sad:

[Reenk Roink]

How classless are the Jotun to go kill Seamus on the first night... :rolleyes: Possibly the worst mafia team to ever play the game.

Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:
Challenge: White eyes Welcome back sir, good to see you :bow: :2thumbsup:

[Believer]

These kills smells like ATPG to me.

Vote: ATPG

[woad&fangs]

vote:Believer
I can't smell anything over the stink of the Fjordane. How could you possibly smell this mythical "pizza"?

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Visorslash (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?66432-Visorslash) and challenge: Believer. Have you two stayed at home all your lives and not even sacked Italy. Pizza is a bread where those tiny dark ants they call Italians put all their carbage and eat it. There is nothing mythical about it for any Viking who has travelled further then the next fjord.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't understand
Why so many dead last night
This party is suck

[Visor]

Vote: Visorslash (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?66432-Visorslash) and challenge: Believer. Have you two stayed at home all your lives and not even sacked Italy. Pizza is a bread where those tiny dark ants they call Italians put all their carbage and eat it. There is nothing mythical about it for any Viking who has travelled further then the next fjord.

Novgorod is where the real vikings meet.

You incompetent fools have not read the front page!

Challenges don't apply on the first day! So you people are not actually doing anything with your challenge!


I don't understand
Why so many dead last night
This party is suck

Mafia and/or Town Vig/s and/or Serial Killer/s. That's what happened.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

All-in-all, Reenk, I rather wish I was able to take up your initial challenge.


Still, nothing starts off a norwegian peace gathering like a good bloodletting, no?

Possible reasons for offing me early:

1. My relatively low post rate of late -- hoping I would just drop it and no be active? If so, this suggests that someone doesn't like my usual methods of jotun hunting.

2. Random

3. Old hand doing a wifom on the don't kill a known name player early rule of thumb.


Curioser and curioser.....

[White_eyes:D]

We were just screwing around....I think.:grin2:

challenges do count on the first day....after the lynch, of course.:bow:

[Visor]

3. Old hand doing a wifom on the don't kill a known name player early rule of thumb.
I'll kill whoever I want to.

[Chaotix]

I don't understand
Why so many dead last night
This party is suck

What's with the Haikus?
Don't you know this is Norway?
We're not in Japan.

[TheLastDays]

Challenges don't apply on the first day! So you people are not actually doing anything with your challenge!


challenge: Visorslash

Oh, yeah, vote: B_Ray

Someone's gotta put some nails into some coffin.

[Kagemusha]

What's with the Haikus?
Don't you know this is Norway?
We're not in Japan.

What is Japan?

[Visor]

challenge: Visorslash

Oh, yeah, vote: B_Ray

Someone's gotta put some nails into some coffin.

FML.

So let's put them in yours! Saves me and my partner doing it by ourselves later.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote: TheLastDayofTheLastDays

[Tratorix]

I totally knew we couldn't challenge yet, I just thought if I did it, a bunch of other people would follow suit. It was all a clever ploy. :wiseguy:

[Visor]

From my personal opinion challenging is stupid at this stage in the game. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it just means I'm stupid.

Thoughts please, on the challenging issue. (Not on my stupidity, which is already world renowned.)

[Major Robert Dump]

I gots a big axe
I've seen Valhalla rising
I do what I want

[Tratorix]

From my personal opinion challenging is stupid at this stage in the game. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it just means I'm stupid.

Thoughts please, on the challenging issue. (Not on my stupidity, which is already world renowned.)

Oh, I am so gonna challenge you after the lynching. :viking:

[Visor]

I'm mafia, I get bonuses in relation to the holmgang.

[TheLastDays]

Bonus your :daisy:

[Sigurd]

Just a reminder that challenges should not be put forth on a day phase when voting is supposed to happen. Challenge during the night phase.
No challenges considered at this time.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Visorlash

Because because.

[Askthepizzaguy]

These kills smells like ATPG to me.

Vote: ATPG

Your sense of smell could use improving. Here, let me remove that nose from your face, so you can find one that works.

Vote: Believer

[Visor]

Tally:

1 Traitorix (Mr Stuka)
1 Mr Stuka (Traitorix)
1 Warman (B_Ray)
3 B_Ray (Chaotix, Warman, TheLastDays)
1 Nightbringer (WhiteEyes)
1 Askthepizzaguy (Believer)
2 Believer (WoadandFangs, Askthepizzaguy)
2 Visorslash (Kagemusha, issaikhaan)
1 TheLastDays (Visorslash)

1 Abstain (n0rg3 Roink)

The rest of you nonvoting....

Things of note: Ya challenges are useless. TLD was third on the bandwagon of B_Ray. That's about it...

[Sigurd]

Tally:

B_Ray : 3 (Chaotix, TheLastDays, ELITEKING )
Believer : 2 (ATPG, W&F)
Visorslash : 2 (‘khaan, Kage)

Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Believer)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 : 1 (B_Ray)
Mr. Stuka : 1 (Tratorix)
Nightbringer : 1 (We:D)
TheLastDays : 1 (Visorslash)
Tratorix : 1 (Mr. Stuka)

Abstains courteously : 1 (Roink)
Not voting : 17 (Captain B, GH, classic, Renata, Khazaar, Andres, DiY, glyphz, Thefluff, Romanic, auto, Diamond, TinCow, Nightbringer, Ironside, Robbie, MRD)

edit: thank you Visor. You felt inspired as well. :beam:

[Believer]

Your sense of smell could use improving. Here, let me remove that nose from your face, so you can find one that works.

Vote: Believer

So you deny having Earthling killed on N1?

[Visor]

edit: thank you Visor. You felt inspired as well.

Haha, same idea... I like tallies.

@ Believer

What's the use of that question? It's even more pointless then me joking around pretending to be mafia... because you will never get a useful answer from that.

[White_eyes:D]

From my personal opinion challenging is stupid at this stage in the game.

So...does this mean no night phase challenges from you?:inquisitive:

It should be every Norsemen's dream to die in glorious combat.:yes:

[Visor]

My dream is to live, not to die. Especially not on the first day...

[Andres]

Vote : Major Robert Dump

Real Vikings don't do poetry :stare:

[Andres]

What's with the Haikus?
Don't you know this is Norway?
We're not in Japan.

What are Haikus? Some sort of fish? And what is this Japan you're talking about? Does it taste good?

[White_eyes:D]

My dream is to live, not to die. Especially not on the first day...

I can easily say all 6 challenges are going to be for you....so, it's sink or swim:shrug:

[Visor]

That's if I don't get lynched first. But I do raise a valid point. Random challenges can harm the town more than it can help it.

[Andres]

That's if I don't get lynched first. But I do raise a valid point. Random challenges can harm the town more than it can help it.

But... but... but... duels have an irresistible fun factor :jumping:

[Visor]

True.....

[White_eyes:D]

We just need to lynch the lurkers and challenge the cowardly ones.:bounce:

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: Traitorix

Stay away from my bubba

[TheLastDays]

TLD was third on the bandwagon of B_Ray.^

YAH! Third place! :D

[Visor]

I'm first place on the bandwagon of TLD. :P

[Ironside]

Loki says Vote:Death is Yonder

[TheLastDays]

@ Believer

What's the use of that question? It's even more pointless then me joking around pretending to be mafia... because you will never get a useful answer from that.

Well the use would be to get answers. Whether they are useful or not is left to interpretation. What do you suggest? We use RNG every round and see where it leads us? I mean, honestly, it wouldn't really hurt our chances I guess but where's the fun in that? :D


I'm first place on the bandwagon of TLD. :P

Do not lynch him, please, must challenge Visor! :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you deny having Earthling killed on N1?

The strategy is to leave him alive because, and I paraphrase myself, Earthling eats lynches like a fat kid eats lunches.

Now, Earthling isn't the only one who died. Do you wish to accuse me of murdering one of the others? You'll be wrong, but I'm curious as to why it must be me killing Earthling; the logic seems backward to me. Seamus' death seems like a random.org sort of deal, something I'd be capable of doing, but you're more certain I'd kill Earthling?

Do you even know me at all, my love?

[Visor]

Well the use would be to get answers. Whether they are useful or not is left to interpretation. What do you suggest? We use RNG every round and see where it leads us? I mean, honestly, it wouldn't really hurt our chances I guess but where's the fun in that? :D

And guess what? The answer we got is useless. In every interpretation that question is more useless than a pencil in a gunfight. Asking question is what we should do, but a question that will give you nothing is not a question to be asked and this is exactly that kind of question.

@ Askthepizzaguy

I like the analogy, and it's true to boot. I don't think you would nightkill Seamus on night zero personally. The kill of Earthling was actually a bad move for the scum.


Do not lynch him, please, must challenge Visor!

Get to the back of the queue.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would probably re-roll it if it came up Seamus, seeing as he hasn't played in a while.

I'm a bit of a softy like that.

[Visor]

From my personal preference, I wouldn't kill a new player or someone who hasn't played in a while, or has killed very early in recent games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seon, on the other hand, was a lot of fun to kill. I'll totally claim credit on that one.

[Visor]

Way to steal my kill man.

[TheLastDays]

I'll just kill you all, that way we're rid of the Jotun and of everyone else... Sound like a good plan?
YARGH! You made me leave pacifist-mode now suit yourselves :viking:

[robbiecon]

Vote: woadandfangs, those be fightin' words.

[johnhughthom]

How classless are the Jotun to go kill Seamus on the first night... :rolleyes: Possibly the worst mafia team to ever play the game.

Absolute stinkers.

[autolycus]

vote: Nightbringer He wants to bring on night, and that's when the Jotun kill!

[Andres]

I'll just kill you all, that way we're rid of the Jotun and of everyone else... Sound like a good plan?
YARGH! You made me leave pacifist-mode now suit yourselves :viking:

Unvote ; Vote : TheLastDays

The voices told me the schizophrenic Viking needs to die.

[TinCow]

Nordmøre rulez! YARGGGG!


Me? Afraid? NEVER! I am Hundfjord Mørekonge, the Champion of Nordmøre, you dare question my allegiance?!?! :stare:



Why are you so eager to tell everyone who you are?

Vote: Mr. Stuka

[Renata]

vote: white_eyes

He'd kill Seamus for the lulz. I'd vote Seon for the crime, but he's dead.

[Khazaar]

Vote: ATPG ´cause Odin randomly told me to.

[B-Wing]

unvote: ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88; vote: Visorslash

Believe me, I'm of more use to you all alive. And far more useful than a bandwagoner.

[Diamondeye]

From my personal opinion challenging is stupid at this stage in the game. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it just means I'm stupid.

Thoughts please, on the challenging issue. (Not on my stupidity, which is already world renowned.)

Hmmm... I don't know what to think here. It's going to mean more deaths (most likely), which the scum would love. I'd assume that most townies would be at a disadvantage compared to scum in a holmgang, otherwise it'd be bah-roken, but how much? Will we be able to get lucky against a jotun? Would the duel reveal anything about the identity of the winner? We want to keep power-roles safe, but we want to find the mafia...

I'd say it's a two-edged sword (viking metaphors woohoo), it might be detrimental and it might be beneficial. There's sure to be someone who wants to duel so it's not like we can prevent it from happening... I just want to be kept out of it, personally.

Also, Vote: Believer, Jotun scum!

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Glypyz

For Odin told me thus and I shall obey.

[Death is yonder]

Vote: GH

Tankards will be raised and aplenty upon arrival into Valhalla! An irresistible offer.

[Renata]

unvote, vote: Visorslash due to being able to read between the lines. Plus, this stuff is getting old.


I'll kill whoever I want to.


FML.

So let's put them in yours! Saves me and my partner doing it by ourselves later.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote: TheLastDayofTheLastDays


I'm mafia, I get bonuses in relation to the holmgang.


Way to steal my kill man.

[classical_hero]

I will vote for vote:TLD for now.

[glyphz]

Vote: Thefluffyone93

Fluffy and silent?! Speak, unless you prefer to talk w/ blades.
I'd much like to see how you handle one.:viking:
GAHAHAHA!

[Sigurd]

voting closed.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

unvote: ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88; vote: Visorslash

Believe me, I'm of more use to you all alive. And far more useful than a bandwagoner.

Hey, I like to bandwagon.

[Sigurd]

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Day 1


There were a lot of arguments and nearly no agreement among the retinues of the Kingdoms. Vocal warriors put forth candidates but others didn’t agree and put forth their own candidates. There was finally a public vote and the retinues returned to the Hovgod to present their results.

Tally:


Visorslash : 4 (‘khaan, Kage, Renata, B_Ray)

B_Ray : 3 (Chaotix, TheLastDays, ELITEKING )
Believer : 3 (ATPG, W&F, Diamondeye)
TheLastDays : 3 (classical, Andres, Mr. Stuka, Visorslash)
Askthepizzaguy : 2 (Believer, Khazaar)
Mr. Stuka : 2 (Tratorix, TinCow)
Nightbringer : 2 (We:D, autolycus)
Tratorix : 2 (Mr. Stuka, Major Robert Dump)
Glyphz : 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Death is Yonder : 1 (Ironside)
Woad&fangs : 1 (robbiecon)
Thefluffyone93 : 1 (glyphz)
GeneralHankerchief : 1 (DiY)

Abstains courteously : 1 (Roink)
Not voting : 4 (GH, Thefluff, Romanic, Nightbringer)

The Hovgod looked at the tally and displeasure was radiating from his eyes.
The list of candidates were many and the votes were spread nearly equally between them. He counted and recounted again to make sure that there was in fact one candidate in lead. And there was. The Hovgod put down the tally and looked out over the eagerly awaiting retinues of the Kingdoms of the West.

There seems to be a candidate that has received the most votes. I was not sure, but careful recounting has put Styggbjørn Braute as our candidate to be executed and pay justice the blood of last night’s murders.

The man who was Styggbjørn couldn’t believe his own ears. This was absurd. He always got in trouble for no apparent reason. Now this. The gods surely didn’t show him any favours. Not dying on a battlefield would greatly decrease his chances of dining at the table of Odinn. Styggbjørn looked at the people around him and decided to bolt. Maybe fleeing to Harald Hårfagre would put him in favour with the gods. He turned slowly and walked to the edge of the eagerly awaiting crowd. They all looked at him wondering what would happen next. The Hovgod looked amused and asked Styggbjørn where he thought he was going. Styggbjørn simply said; I am leaving, and then bolted for one of the smaller boats that weren’t dragged up on the beach. The Hovgod turned to the crowd; Are there any archers among us? Several hands were raised. He picked one and came to his side. Draw an arrow on that bow. The man did as requested and the Hovgod whispered something in the man’s ear which caused the man to adjust his aim.

Styggbjørn had reached the boat and had it on the oars in a heartbeat. He couldn’t believe he was getting away. He was out of bow shot now and they would have to get into boats to catch him. Suddenly he felt a piercing pain in his left shoulder that traveled into his torso. He looked over to his shoulder and saw an arrow logged there in a steep angle. Oh no, that might have hit his heart. He could feel the strength leaving him and slumped into darkness.
Now that was an amazing shot, the Hovgod told the man who looked questioningly at his bow. I didn’t know that you were such a good shot.
The crowd cheered that justice had been met. But there were people belonging to the Sunnmøre camp who were not too happy about these events.

The Hovgod continued this day’s agenda and the discussion of what to do with Harald Hårfagre started.

Visorslash has been lynched

Round two is about to start. Challenges is now open. PMs from those with abilities can be sent.
Deadline 14th of July 22:00 GMT.

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
classical_hero
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Ironside
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Mr. Stuka
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs


Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)

[Mr. Stuka]

You marked me down as voting twice, I didn't vote for TheLastDays, only Tratorix. I'm not sure if that changes the tally outcome, but it'd be worth looking into.

Oh also: Challenge: Tratorix

[Tratorix]

Challenge: Chaotix. Doubling my chances :evil:

[TheLastDays]

You marked me down as voting twice, I didn't vote for TheLastDays, only Tratorix. I'm not sure if that changes the tally outcome, but it'd be worth looking into.

Oh also: Challenge: Tratorix

that would definitely change the outcome... at least from where I'm looking

[woad&fangs]

challenge:robbiecon
May the battle be fought with longswords so that I may be as far from your stink as possible.

[Mr. Stuka]

that would definitely change the outcome... at least from where I'm looking

Well i'm not sure if he just confused me with someone else, or just added me in as an extra vote

[Sigurd]

You are right.. I misplaced your vote with someone next to you in the tally tool. Which resulted in a recount of two votes. I need to update the tool that such mistakes doesn't happen again.

This means gents and ladies that Visorslash has been lynched by a whole 4 vote minority. (will update lynch story in the morning. Right now it is past midnight)

[Chaotix]

Challenge: Chaotix. Doubling my chances :evil:

More than double, buddy.

You just gave yourself a 100% chance of dying tonight.

[Tratorix]

More than double, buddy.

You just gave yourself a 100% chance of dying tonight.

Bold words from a (soon to be) dead man.

[Reenk Roink]

Crap, this having the challenge period after the lynch is tough Sigurd. ~:mecry:

Chaotix and Tratorix fighting is like watching the Oilers and Islanders. Seamus and I fighting would be like the the Oilers and Islanders... in the 1980s (I would have won this time Seamus, no more of your role having the automatic challenge acceptance).

[White_eyes:D]

vote: white_eyes

He'd kill Seamus for the lulz. I'd vote Seon for the crime, but he's dead.
Challenge:Renata

I would kill Pizzaguy for the lulz but not Seamus because he is not active enough for me to even consider to do so, maybe Earthling...would be a little ballsy, losing a "get out of a lynch free card" though. I am going to challenge you...don't want you sticking to the background after all.:wink:

[TinCow]

A lesson that should be learned from today's events: tied votes are bad and should be avoided at all costs.

[Reenk Roink]

A lesson that should be learned from today's events: tied votes are bad and should be avoided at all costs.

Excuse me? :annoyed: Who are YOU to teach us lessons? Credentials please. I require champion or higher, and most definitely no serfs. :stare:

EDIT: I think TinCow has another one of those philosopher/rationalist/scientist roles... Someone investigate him to make sure he's not deluding himself and others.

[Chaotix]

Doesn't TinCow always have the philosopher/rationalist role?

[TinCow]

Excuse me? :annoyed: Who are YOU to teach us lessons?

Clearly the lesson was intended for lesser men than yourself. Not all of us are blessed with innate roinkness.

[Tratorix]

Chaotix and Tratorix fighting is like watching the Oilers and Islanders.

Ow. Now I wish I hadn't issued a challenge so I could respond to this grievous insult. :furious3:

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: Thefluffyone93

Fluffy and silent?! Speak, unless you prefer to talk w/ blades.
I'd much like to see how you handle one.:viking:
GAHAHAHA!

ARGLARFRAGALRFLARD......

I attempt to actually have a life (plus summer school) and I get blasted for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nywHmo7Jl9I

[Major Robert Dump]

All these challenges being thrown around for no legitimate reason other than flexing of E-Peen is quite silly and will only assist the bad guys

This comment will probably result in myself being challenged.

[Diamondeye]

Excuse me? :annoyed: Who are YOU to teach us lessons? Credentials please. I require champion or higher, and most definitely no serfs. :stare:

EDIT: I think TinCow has another one of those philosopher/rationalist/scientist roles... Someone investigate him to make sure he's not deluding himself and others.

It would be classic if he is the Law Speaker...

[Visor]

:daisy:ing brilliant. Dead in the last large game night one, and now day one in this one.

@ Renata

I don't care if you're tired of it, its the way I play. No reason to vote for me.

Good luck to the town players... and goodbye.

[Diamondeye]

I don't care if you're tired of it, its the way I play. No reason to vote for me.

What? Yes it is. It's an excellent reason to vote you. If you're going to play like that always ("Oh hey I'm mafia"), you are going to face a lot of day 1 lynches/night 1 vigilantism.

[Visor]

It's called a joke. Which I would say is pretty obvious from the posts.

[TheLastDays]

Well, as I have stated, I believe in Music Mafia, it's just to risky. The town doesn't want to lose to someone who has announced he is Mafia so you're pretty much lynched just in case...
I'd advise making other jokes if you want to survive longer :yes:

Also I think we can pretty much assume we have not got a Jotun today so it's a move that costs the town a round. I'm happy I wasn't lynched though so you have my thanks :bow:

[Sigurd]

Day 1 post updated.

Also, 4 challenges noted.

edit: although I am an old fart when it comes to music, that video of yours fluffy really shook my house with awesome woofer blasts.

[classical_hero]

I shall challenge:MRD to a duel. :duel:

[Major Robert Dump]

Way to contribute to the problem.

I'm going to wear your intestines as a necklace, after I pull them out your anus.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Gah, sorry I missed the voting phase. As mentioned in the Mafia X thread, I've been ill/otherwise distracted. FWIW, I would have voted Khazaar.

[Kagemusha]

Challenge: Classical_Hero nonsensical challenging will only result to your death.

[Diamondeye]

It's called a joke. Which I would say is pretty obvious from the posts.

I'm just going to say it wasn't obvious to me. Full stop.

[Major Robert Dump]

The incriminating statement was the setup.

The lynch was the punchline.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am also guilty.

Guilty of being :daisy: sexy.

[Sigurd]

Deadline reached. closing thread for Holmgang and Night results.

[Sigurd]

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Round 2

Night 2





There were still some bad feelings among the retinue after the long meeting discussing what to do about the usurper king Harald.
There were especially bad feelings in the Sunnmøre camp that just lost one of their own to todays execution. They blamed their neighbours Nordmøre who apparently had not lost any of their own. There were a few fist fights and one Nordmøre man got angry and hurled a rock at a Sunnmøre warrior. The warrior from Sunnmøre ducked and the rock hit a grizzly looking elderly warrior who stood watching. The rock hit just below the eye and apparently caused some pain. Blood flowing down his face the grizzly looking warrior drew his warhammer from its strap on his back. You shall pay for such insolence young pup. The Hovgod standing nearby enquired about the commotion. Seeing the weapon drawn he reminded the grizzly looking warrior about the rules for such things at this meeting. The grizzly man turned to the Hovgod; I ask for official retribution for this insolence. Blood has been drawn and only blood can pay for it. I want Holmgang.
The Hovgod could only agree; So be it.

The grizzly looking man smiled as the young pup from Nørdmøre drew his steel and picked up a shield. It was a particular fine specimen of conquered steel from the south lands. Well tended and apparently in the hands of a skilled man. The grizzly looking warrior attacked first swinging his mighty battle hammer in for a quick end to this fight. The younger man ducked and sliced the thigh of the other man. It was not a serious wound but it infuriated the grizzly warrior. He brought the hammer up as a follow through from the last swing and smashed into the shield arm. The younger warrior buckled from the hard impact on the shield. He felt as if something had broken in his arm. As the grizzly warrior continued to swing the large hammer, the younger man ducked under the swing and slashed in a spin taking the grizzly warrior in the back. A red smear started to appear on the grizzly warriors back. As the man screamed in pain the younger warrior got in another nick of his sword point. This just made the grizzly warrior go berserk. The warhammer flew in wide slashed with incredible force. Each of them would end the younger warrior’s life should they hit home. Even with the bad shield arm the younger warrior evaded the swings and countered with two fine strikes leaving new wounds on the grizzly warriors flesh. The Grizzly warrior changed tactics and kicked the younger man down after a swing of the hammer to his head. The younger man tumbled down and just avoided a crushing blow to the place where he was a fraction of a second before; he swung his blade and caught the grizzly man in his face cutting into the eye socket. The grizzly warrior was beyond feeling pain and just continued swinging the hammer. The young warrior was seriously tired and got his shield up to block another blow. But the hammer came down with such force that it completely disintegrated the shield and hit him in the base of his throat crushing both windpipe and vertebrae. The younger man dropped dead to the ground.
The Nordmøre camp had got their first fallen.

The night was upon the camp and people found their rest in their respective camps.
One such man was Jarn Carsteinsson.
He could not sleep much a wink due to the happenings of the last day. The chill of the night air did not help. After spending half the night in a futile attempt to get some rest, he gave up & took a walk around the camp. He stopped by a campfire to stretch his tired muscles, his back to the fire. The warmth felt good he thought and so he lingered. There was a pot there with some delicious smelling stew and helped himself to it. The stew made him feel a little weird. He did not notice the flame grow and began to tower behind him. When he finally noticed, his shadow has stretched far in front of him and it was far too late to flee. A huge, massive hand covered his face and upper torso, grabbed him and swiftly dragged him into the raging flames...



Sveyn Gunnarsson of Hordaland was patrolling his king’s ships by the beach when he saw a shadow lurking over by his King’s beached longship. He walked slowly over to the area acting as normal as possible when the sky suddenly grew dark and the wind started to blow violently. The longship's sail caught in the wind and started rocking back and forth. By Odinn, he had to save the ship because it would break on the rocks in the sand should it continue to rock like that. He could already hear the planks groan. He ran for the ship to take down that sail. The wind suddenly focused on the sail and pulled the ship along. Sveyn could not believe his own eyes and turned to flee because the ship was gaining momentum and came right for him. Something caught his foot in the sand and he bellied into the beach. The 80 ton longship crushed Sveyn’s body with its keel as it slid over him, burying his body under it. The wind and the darkness cleared and the summer night was yet again silent. Some might wonder why the longship of Erik of Hordaland was dragged so far up the beach, but it would take days and the ship being dragged back down the beach to discover the crushed body that was under it.

The morning came and people began to stir. A burned body was found in the Romsdal camp and people started crying foul. Today’s meeting would start as the one yesterday with an investigation and a payment to justice. Blood for blood as was the tradition of this people.

Start voting. Voting ends at 22:00 GMT tomorrow

Alive:

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
classical_hero
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Mr. Stuka
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs


Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)

Homgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)

[Sigurd]

Holmgang mkIII

these are the accepted challenges:

1. Mr. Stuka vs. Tratorix
2. Tratorix vs. Chaotix
3. woad & fangs vs. robbiecon
4. White_eyes:D vs. Renata
5. Classical_hero vs. Major Robert Dump
6. Kagemusha vs. classical_hero

We have installed a dice tool on these boards which is basically a bbCode that will generate random numbers.
This will determine quite publicly the results. Once posted you can't change the results and you can't add other dice rolls to that post at a later time.

Firstly we need to determine who will fight this round.
Then the subsequent rounds will follow in their own posts.

[roll0]

edit: the Holmgang that will be fought:
5. Classical_hero vs. Major Robert Dump

[Sigurd]

Holmgang round 1:

classical_hero vs. Major Robert Dump

Risk style rules. Defender gets an advantage and will win on matching dice. 3 dice in each match

classical_hero:
[roll0]

Major Robert Dump:
[roll1]

matching up dice:

<tbody>
classical_hero
6
5
1


Major Robert Dump
6
3
1

</tbody>
Results round 1: classical_hero vs Major Robert Dump : 1 - 2

[Sigurd]

Holmgang round 2:

classical_hero:
[roll0]

Major Robert Dump:
[roll1]

matching up dice:

<tbody>
classical_hero
6
5
5


Major Robert Dump
6
5
1

</tbody>
Results round 2: classical_hero vs Major Robert Dump : 2 - 4

[Sigurd]

Holmgang round 3:

classical_hero:
[roll0]

Major Robert Dump:
[roll1]

matching up dice:

<tbody>
classical_hero
2
2
1


Major Robert Dump
2
1


</tbody>
Results round 3: classical_hero vs Major Robert Dump : 3 - 5

[Sigurd]

Holmgang round 4:

classical_hero:
[roll0]

Major Robert Dump:
[roll1]


matching up dice:

<tbody>
classical_hero
6
6
4


Major Robert Dump
1



</tbody>
Results round 4: classical_hero vs Major Robert Dump : 4 - 5
Final result : classical_hero wins

[Sigurd]

Results posted.
A summary thread has also been made for easy reference.

[thefluffyone93]

although I am an old fart when it comes to music, that video of yours fluffy really shook my house with awesome woofer blasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkW_Wk1XTs&feature=related

[TinCow]

Risk style rules. Defender gets an advantage and will win on matching dice. 3 dice in each match

How exactly do our Holmgang scores factor into this?

[Reenk Roink]

All these challenges being thrown around for no legitimate reason other than flexing of E-Peen is quite silly and will only assist the bad guys

This comment will probably result in myself being challenged.

:laugh4: get owned :2thumbsup:

Vote: Renata

[B-Wing]

I don't understand the duel system at all. Is any input required from the players involved, or is it entirely random? Also, is it Day 2 yet?

[autolycus]

How exactly do our Holmgang scores factor into this?
If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

[Tratorix]

Vote: Classical Hero for now. 7-8 is a pretty huge Holmgang score, what do you have to say for yourself tough guy?

[TinCow]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

Hmm... that does seem reasonable. It would mean that classical had a score of at least 8 (lost 5, but was still rolling 3 at the end), while MRD had a score of 4.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Khazaar

Classical did the challenging, yes? It would be kind of foolish for a Jotun to reveal himself in such a way.

[woad&fangs]

vote: General Hankerchief
That is exactly what a Jotun would say to help out his buddy. :stare:

[TinCow]

Vote: Mr. Stuka

I still want an explanation for why you were so eager to proclaim your role.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Were I not, you know, dead, I would have agreed with Tincow on the vote. Such actions, so early, seem a little too "eager." Pressure might be useful here.

Reenk:

Sad for me too. Our holmgang was a fun one -- especially as I didn't have to walk across my own bridge at the close of it. This time, though, I wouldn't have claimed to be quite as powerful....

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

Vote: autolycus

*sniff sniff*

You smell wrong. Like you've been bathing or something.

[Believer]

Vote: Classical Hero for now. 7-8 is a pretty huge Holmgang score, what do you have to say for yourself tough guy?

Vote: Tratorix

So a powerful character equals scum? I'd say you're attacking the easy target here.

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow. I won the dice rolls and still lost. Peachy.

Juvenile antics.

Rez please.

[Tratorix]

Vote: Tratorix

So a powerful character equals scum? I'd say you're attacking the easy target here.

I say I'm prodding someone to see what happens. We know the Jotun are going to have good Holmgang scores, so expect this to happen to everyone who wins a duel.

[Romanic]

Hey, this is my first post in the game. Shame on me for missing the first day. Not enough time on my hand. :no:

Oh well, this looks like another game with no death reveal. What's up with this plague rule, these days?

Anyway, I'll jump in the current discussion:


I say I'm prodding someone to see what happens. We know the Jotun are going to have good Holmgang scores, so expect this to happen to everyone who wins a duel.
I disagree with this - I am expecting some Jotun to have low Holmgang, otherwise the feature would be too advantageous to them, and since challenges are always popular, it would be unbalancing for Sigurd to give high scores to all the Jotun.

[Romanic]

Midgardsaga II had three Jotuns, three Aesirs (Thor, Odin, Loki) and three Christians. Other players were nords, from various countries. I think this setup will be similar since we've at least seen "War Veterans" in the writeups, and the previous games also had these roles.

Here's a link to the previous setup (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?105637-The-Midgard-Saga-II-Concluded&p=1999680&viewfull=1#post1999680).

Also, I'm not sure what the Aesirs were, though they are obviously Gods, maybe power roles. Odin and Thor are typically good, and Loki is evil. I'll have to read more on the previous game tomorrow, gotta hit the sack now, but go ahead and check it yourself. It can't be bad to have an idea what to expect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Sigurd mentioned somewhere that the setup was significantly different. Just a heads-up.

[Diamondeye]

Hey, this is my first post in the game. Shame on me for missing the first day. Not enough time on my hand. :no:

Oh well, this looks like another game with no death reveal. What's up with this plague rule, these days?

Yeah, it doesn't even look like we'll know is who in the writeup. That is hugely confusing.
Also, 4 kills the first night and only 2 now? How can this be?

As for the Holmgang result, it sounds to me from the writeup like Classical could be a War Veteran, which might explain his profeciency... Still, 8 is high, even then. MRD sounded like a youngster, he might have had an okay score (his weapons were of good quality)... Also, it seemed like it was really close, with all the wounds Classical took.

While I agree with Romanic that we should not automatically assume a high Holmgang score for all Jotun, I think I'm going to put the pressure on Vote:Classical_Hero for now.

[Romanic]

From the OP:


This game will still be similar and will have many of the features of the previous games;
Since this is an anniversary, I will not do too many changes from the previous game.
Consider this a Midgard retro game based heavily on the previous two games.

So it may be a good idea to refer to the previous games, for insights.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, perhaps I misread that. :wall:

[Romanic]

While I agree with Romanic that we should not automatically assume a high Holmgang score for all Jotun, I think I'm going to put the pressure on Vote:Classical_Hero for now.
I made that comment before reading the previous game, but now I am not so sure. The three Jotuns all had a 100/10 Holmgang value, whatever 100 means, but if they all had 10, then indeed a high Holmgang value could mean one is Jotun.

Then perhaps the Holmgang should be seen as a tool to find the Jotun, rather than one to kill them.

[Diamondeye]

I made that comment before reading the previous game, but now I am not so sure. The three Jotuns all had a 100/10 Holmgang value, whatever 100 means, but if they all had 10, then indeed a high Holmgang value could mean one is Jotun.

Then perhaps the Holmgang should be seen as a tool to find the Jotun, rather than one to kill them.

Yes, perhaps that's the best way. However, we can't count on just anyone to be able to keep the fight going long enough to be sure the opponent is actually a Jotun and not simply a champion or a war veteran or some other strong townie.

I didn't read the last game - what was the Homgang ability of the Aesir? If they're also powerful this might be a bad idea.

[Romanic]

Ah so I read this, from the previous game:



Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods.
Jotun had a guaranteed win against humans, so the challenges are indeed just a tool to find our enemies.

[Diamondeye]

Ah so I read this, from the previous game:

Jotun had a guaranteed win against humans, so the challenges are indeed just a tool to find our enemies.

What about the Gods, then? Might we risk bumping into those too? Will we be able to tell them apart? I can't imagine someone like Thor losing to a human...

[Romanic]

What about the Gods, then? Might we risk bumping into those too? Will we be able to tell them apart? I can't imagine someone like Thor losing to a human...

Apparently the Gods also have a guaranteed win against humans, as they have similar Holmgang values than Jotuns. Specifically:

Thor: 100/12
Odin: 100/10
Loki: 100/8

So indeed, we probably won't be able to differentiate a Jotun and a god. Meh.

Considering this, perhaps we shouldn't be challenging at all? We risk revealing the power roles (gods) as much as the Jotuns. I wonder if the Holmgang writeup will show an ability score of 100 if a Jotun/God is challenged by a human, or if it is disguised in some way.

[autolycus]

Well, if someone has a score of 100, then short of a "Miracle on dice", they'd just keep rolling three dice until the other guy died.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I rather think that Sigurd will not be posting 100 times in a row to do the dice results. Somehow I think he might have foreseen this (being a dark lord of the sith and all). I am willing to wager that, unlike my previous unread comment, things might in fact be different this time in some way.

That said, I eagerly await the dreaded centuple post.

[autolycus]

Well, unless the other guy got reaaally lucky, there wouldn't be anywhere near that many rolls. GH, in future Holmgangs, the question of whether a Jotun would reveal himself or herself like that may be valid, but I don't think anyone was expecting the Holmgang process to be quite so public.

[Sigurd]

I will use a new feature to determine the outcome of these fights. This time around they will be quite public.
In risk style the attacker is at disadvantage since matching dice will favour the defender.
In-game dice that can only be used once in a post and not edited after submitted, will be used in this game.

Holmgang as a tool will need to tested out and see how this can affect the town effort.



FYI...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nobody expects what the rules clearly state. That would be too obvious.

[classical_hero]

So it is rather clear that I am quite powerful from the result of the Holmgang. So that means I am not someone you would want to challenge. So does me being powerful mean that I am against you? Surely you should know how I play by now to get a feel for my style of play.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So it is rather clear that I am quite powerful from the result of the Holmgang. So that means I am not someone you would want to challenge. So does me being powerful mean that I am against you? Surely you should know how I play by now to get a feel for my style of play.

Nope, I've been a Gameroom hermit. Spell it out for us.

Btw, this is coming from one of your defenders.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Classical Hero

Its day 2. Essentially you're telling us to give you plenty of free time and judge later? Nah, I don't think so. I've got all kinds of spook vibes from you.

[classical_hero]

If I were a Jotun, I would rather not be out in the open this early. I am a power role so it would be good to listen to what I say, Right now I cannot be too open since it will give the Jotun too much info so early in the game, but since they know I am powerful it should be obvious who I am. So those of like qualities should get in contact with me. I have contacted a few people about the game and what they are doing. There is one person who I am wondering about her activities and if they are legitimate, which they might be, but Want to put some pressure on vote:Tincow.

I am wondering if anyone else agrees with me, but I am feeling that having 48 hours for the day would good, since am busy right now and it would be very useful, since this will be the only time I have available to be posting and voting. Also considering this is a large game things can happen quickly, it would be good to have time to work things out.

[classical_hero]

Vote: Classical Hero

Its day 2. Essentially you're telling us to give you plenty of free time and judge later? Nah, I don't think so. I've got all kinds of spook vibes from you.It's day two and I am out in the open as a powerful role. Not a clever strategy of mine if I were evil, considering I put up the challenge myself, knowing I could get outted. As someone said, using the challenge system is a good way to see who are the power roles in this game. There are some good roles also.

[TinCow]

There is one person who I am wondering about her activities and if they are legitimate, which they might be, but Want to put some pressure on vote:Tincow.

Why would you expose me like this before even replying to my PM? You have just killed me to save yourself, not a very townie action.

[Chaotix]

Meh. Not a clever strategy if you're good, either, unless you happen to be bulletproof. It's all WIFOM.

We'll see how long you survive, and that will determine when we lynch you. Make yourself useful in the meantime with your god-powers or something.

Also- if MRD was level 4, that means he was powerful for a townie. I'd say you killed a king or a prince or something.

Vote: Tratorix

I thought you were gonna fight me. Change your mind?

[Captain Blackadder]

What is going on do people suddenly not like me this is the forth game in a row where I died early.

[Kagemusha]

vote: Tratorix. Someone ought to check out Classical_hero. It is way too early to start blindly lynching possible power roles. On the other hand Tratorix reaction smells to me as: "Ahaa,cotcha!"

[Khazaar]

Vote: General Hankerchief It´s so easy to vote for me, I´m basically Mafia Catnip.

[Renata]

If I were a Jotun, I would rather not be out in the open this early. I am a power role so it would be good to listen to what I say, Right now I cannot be too open since it will give the Jotun too much info so early in the game, but since they know I am powerful it should be obvious who I am. So those of like qualities should get in contact with me. I have contacted a few people about the game and what they are doing. There is one person who I am wondering about her activities and if they are legitimate, which they might be, but Want to put some pressure on vote:Tincow.


It took me about five reads and TinCow's reply to get that, but WHY would you say such a thing? And with no information attached, just the implication that TinCow is a power role? I can't for the life of me figure out why a Jotun would do such a thing in quite that way, but that was a bad move for a townie.

[Renata]

It's day two and I am out in the open as a powerful role. Not a clever strategy of mine if I were evil, considering I put up the challenge myself, knowing I could get outted. As someone said, using the challenge system is a good way to see who are the power roles in this game. There are some good roles also.

Just a note on this. Don't assume the Jotun won't challenge. The odds of actually fighting are not huge as long as multiple challenges continue to be issued each day; it could easily be thought of as a relatively safe way of purchasing some cheap townie cred.

[Kagemusha]

I think that votes for TC and Classical_Hero should be cast at some other direction. I can only hope that by surfacing of possible power roles Jotun were dump enough to try and get them lynched.In my mind the top suspects right now are autolycus,Tratorix, Diamondeye and Khaan.


Tally:

Renata 1 (Reenk, )
classical_hero 4 (autolycus,Tratorix, Diamondeye,Khaan)
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 2 (W&f, Khazaar)
Mr. Stuka 1 (TC)
autolycus 1 (ATPG)
Tratorix 3 (Believer, Chaotix, Kagemusha)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)

[Renata]

I guess I'll join the Tratorix wagon. I actually find Auto's vote more suspicious, but I seem to find him suspicious and get him lynched as a townie every other game lately. Someone else do it for once, if it needs to be done.

vote: Tratorix

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

vote: Tratorix

NO GINGERBREADMEN FOR MOOOOO!!

[Tratorix]

Ah, see, this is why I usually lurk, I only get myself into trouble. :laugh4: I'm keeping my vote on classical_hero, as I don't like the fact that he panicked and started flailing around when pressured.


Also- if MRD was level 4, that means he was powerful for a townie. I'd say you killed a king or a prince or something.

The kings in the last Midgard all had champions who could take their place in a duel, so not necessarily.

[Death is yonder]

Hmm, considering Tincow's stance towards the easy release of information I am then curious about why you then revealed your actions or something along those lines to Classical so easily, it being only the second lynch phase.

Vote: Tincow

Do tell.

[Death is yonder]

Re-read through and thought better of it.

Unvote: Tincow

The explanation would still be nice though.

Vote: Tratorix

[TinCow]

Hmm, considering Tincow's stance towards the easy release of information I am then curious about why you then revealed your actions or something along those lines to Classical so easily, it being only the second lynch phase.

I did not reveal anything to him. He sent me a typical early-game blackmail/feeler style PM. I responded with the traditional retort, beginning the long process of figuring out whether he was someone I could talk to. He never responded, and instead voted for me. Quite rude, and it begs the question why he bothered with the PM to me at all if he was so content to publicly name me.

[B-Wing]

vote: classical hero

Not so much out of suspicion (though I do question your behavior), but more to put you at a tie with Tratorix, whom I do not find scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: B_Ray

That was a terrible reason for voting.

[Earthling]

Also, 4 kills the first night and only 2 now? How can this be?

Naked guy running around probably is not related to the Jotun. Lucky for you as it kinda lets you off the hook for suspicion killing me as a townie, since you could guess I'd be challenging you eventually. But all the kills must not be Jotun.

The lack of reveals is killer though. I'm assuming the color coding means nothing, though there is a possibility only townies and no power roles or kings at all died so far. The names/writeups of the people who died appear to be in order of the dead list too, don't know why that was missed but seems right.

[Renata]

unvote, vote: B_Ray

That was a terrible reason for voting.

Seconded, though I wonder what you think about CH vs tratorix yourself. It doesn't seem CH will be around to explain himself any further before the deadline, tratorix has apparently said all he is going to, and your vote doesn't do anything either way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seconded, though I wonder what you think about CH vs tratorix yourself. It doesn't seem CH will be around to explain himself any further before the deadline, tratorix has apparently said all he is going to, and your vote doesn't do anything either way.

I have a good feeling about classical_hero. I'd wager my head we should not lynch him.

No opinion on Tratorix. I don't find him scummy but I'm not going to lift a finger to save him. Though it is nice to see him again. Hi Tratorix! ~:wave:

I think we could do well with pressuring other people.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: GH, vote: tratorix

classical hero seems more like a flailing protown role than a flailing mafioso. Didn't he use a warhammer in his Holmgang? I'm betting he is Thor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How close is the deadline?

Are you just lynching Tratorix to save C_H? It's not a good reason in my opinion. If there's time I think we should maybe come up with something better.

[Sigurd]

I need to be somewhere around the deadline and might be a few hours late.
Consider any votes past the deadline for invalid.
You have aprox. 1 1/2 hours left. It is now 20:26 GMT

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's plenty of time if we have a few active people. The tally isn't outrageous.

I am leaning B_Ray or Khaan. Khaan's always a bit of a slithery slippery scummy character, and I've been lusting for his blood for a good long time now, resisting my ever-present urges. I'd be happy with either one.

Khaan for the C_H wagon and his silly "spook" reasoning, B_Ray for the Tratorix wagon/bad reasoning.

Also, I'll be gone just before 5 as I have guy-with-an-axe related job duties to attend to for the next 9 hours. But I'll be here if you need a swing vote.

[woad&fangs]

I'm pretty sure that CH is Thor. I'm also hoping to put some distance between the first and second place person as ties apparently result in no lynch.

[Renata]

I have a good feeling about classical_hero. I'd wager my head we should not lynch him.

No opinion on Tratorix. I don't find him scummy but I'm not going to lift a finger to save him. Though it is nice to see him again. Hi Tratorix! ~:wave:

I think we could do well with pressuring other people.

Well my point was that unless I've lost track of the deadline AGAIN (which is quite possible these days), there's only about a half hour to go, and you voting b-ray in that situation is kind of pointless as far as pressure goes. (Nor does it accomplish anything in terms of keeping CH's head out of the noose.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why don't we all just advertise that C_H is probably Thor. Gosh, if it wasn't clear from the writeup, he's all but admitted he's a god in-thread.

:wall:

Where is the subtlety anymore. Remember back in the day we could just be like "Nah, don't think we should lynch him" and people would give you the benefit of the doubt for like a round or two? Instead we have to have big glowing neon signs that say HEY MURDER THIS PERSON.

[Romanic]

Meh. Not a clever strategy if you're good, either, unless you happen to be bulletproof. It's all WIFOM.

We'll see how long you survive, and that will determine when we lynch you. Make yourself useful in the meantime with your god-powers or something.

Also- if MRD was level 4, that means he was powerful for a townie. I'd say you killed a king or a prince or something.

Vote: Tratorix

I thought you were gonna fight me. Change your mind?

How do you figure that MRD was a king for having Holmgang = 4?

Looking at the previous games, kings had Holmgang values of 7 and 8, and since Sigurd mentioned a similar setup, I'm tempted to believe that MRD was not a King.

Which is also why I don't like lynching classical_hero - He's got HG = 8, which is fit for a King, according to the previous game (Loki also had 8, against other gods or Jotun, which would imply MRD was one of these. Clearly he wasn't, with a score of 4).

So I can't push for a CH lynch yet, although I would like to hear a claim from here, at this point.

vote: Tratorix - to protect a possible king. The case against him doesn't really appeal to me, but what can you do.

[Romanic]

CH is Thor? Hmm... Wouldn't Thor appear to have more Holmgang if he was to fight against a weak human like MRD probably was? (given is low score of 4).

[Tratorix]

No opinion on Tratorix. I don't find him scummy but I'm not going to lift a finger to save him. Though it is nice to see him again. Hi Tratorix!

Hi PizzaGuy!

There's nothing else I can really say at this point. The only one close to me in votes is classical hero and he's claimed a powertown role, which I cannot. Here's my role pm, just for posterity.


Human – Tratorix

Truls Magnesson

You are a War Veteran and in the service of the king of Rogaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats


Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3

Good Luck!!!

I really don't like the fact that Renata's jumped on two bandwagons in two rounds. I also think classical hero might as well just reveal at this point, as it doesn't really hurt him since he's practically already done so. He can keep Holmgang score and abilitys secret if he wants, but I'd like to see the rest of his role pm.

[woad&fangs]

Hey, if there is already a big neon sign we may as well add some fireworks as well. Maybe we can get the oldspice guy as well.

Why don't we all just advertise that C_H is probably Thor. Gosh, if it wasn't clear from the writeup, he's all but admitted he's a god in-thread.

:wall:

Where is the subtlety anymore. Remember back in the day we could just be like "Nah, don't think we should lynch him" and people would give you the benefit of the doubt for like a round or two? Instead we have to have big glowing neon signs that say HEY MURDER THIS PERSON.

[Renata]

If I understand it right, CH had AT LEAST 8; he never dropped below three dice. So 8 is his minimum; max could be anything.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Renata 1 (Reenk, )
classical_hero 5 (autolycus,Tratorix, Diamondeye,Khaan, B_Ray
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 1 (Khazaar)
Mr. Stuka 1 (TC)
B_Ray 1 (ATPG)
Tratorix 7 (Believer, Chaotix, Kagemusha, Renata, Warman, DIY, Woad)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)

Based on Kage's previous tally.

I thought the tally was closer.

Between Renata, myself, Tratorix, anyone listening, and possibly Kage if I can wake him up, we could probably pile a bunch of votes on someone.

I'm not sure it is worth the risk to C_H. Are you ready to take one for the team, Tratorix?

[Romanic]

If I understand it right, CH had AT LEAST 8; he never dropped below three dice. So 8 is his minimum; max could be anything.

Ah, I thought it was said that he had exactly 8. It changes my perspective then, as he could be a King, power role or Jotun.

*scratches head*

unvote: Tratorix

[Tratorix]

Based on Kage's previous tally.

I thought the tally was closer.

Between Renata, myself, Tratorix, anyone listening, and possibly Kage if I can wake him up, we could probably pile a bunch of votes on someone.

I'm not sure it is worth the risk to C_H. Are you ready to take one for the team, Tratorix?

We could lynch Mr. Stuka. He seemed a bit scummy to me last round and hasn't shown up this time. I'll Unvote: Classical Hero for now and if anyone wants to help me save my skin, I'll go along with it. If not, well, it's not the first time I've been bandwagoned and it probably won't be the last.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nominations for third alternative:

B_Ray, Khaan (Askthepizzaguy)

You guys?

Edit:

Mr. Stuka (Tratorix)

[woad&fangs]

The suggested options seem fine. I'd be willing to bandwagon any of those three.

[Tratorix]

Vote: Mr. Stuka is my choice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Mr. Stuka is my choice.

I have no objection, but consensus is a tricky thing. We're working it out via PM and IM due to time constraints.

For the record I'll vote anyone but c_h. I just prefer to have reasons too.

[Tratorix]

I'll add a bit more reasoning here, cause I don't want to edit a vote post. When I challenged Mr. Stuka last day phase( when challenges weren't being accepted) he claimed to be a champion almost immediately and then did everything possible to try and fade into the background. He hasn't even lodged a vote in this day phase. Seems like exactly what I tried to do in my first couple games as mafia, try to draw as little attention as possible while still technically remaining active.

Edit: I'm not sold on Bray or khaan, but if it comes down to them or me, I believe you can count on my support. :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I fear that a lot of people have good reasons to avoid the spotlight in this game. It's tough to suggest that means scum. I want more than just that personally.

[Romanic]

vote: B_Ray

Based on his last vote. Can't do better than this, gotta run to work. :(

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry; Romanic is leaving like immediately and time pressure is killing me. The only one I could get consensus on was B_Ray.

Sorry B_Ray. I really hope you're scum.

[Romanic]

Er, vote: B_Ray

[Tratorix]

Well, you're not going to find it. It's round 2, any case against anyone is pretty much just gut feelings. The case against people so far, for anyone interested.

Classical Hero: High Holmgang stat.

Tratorix: Voted for Classical Hero.

Mr. Stuka: See above.

B Ray: ATPG Hunch.

Khaan: ATPG Hunch.

[Believer]

Unvote; Tratorix
Vote: B_Ray

[Tratorix]

I hate that my 1500 post has to go this way, but Unvote, Vote: B Ray. Sorry dude, don't know if you're scum but I trust you less than myself.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: tratorix, vote: B_Ray
Bandwagon!

By the way, I want to Homgang some lurkers. Anyone have any suggestions?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well if the B_Ray lynch is bad, that will be my fault since I pressed for it.

This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136627-Midgardsaga-III-In-Play&p=2053342264&viewfull=1#post2053342264) gives me pause as a potential reason not to vote B_Ray, but... he was under pressure at the time and even a scum could say that.

I think there may be enough support to go with Stuka if people are still active and discussing near the deadline. I can move off of B_Ray if you need me to.

[Tratorix]

You can if you want, but in 20 minutes my votes locked in as I'm going out to eat. If you decide to try it, it better be before then. And Romanic's vote is already locked.

[woad&fangs]

Trat, me, atpg, renata, tincow
If Renata is on board I would prefer stuka over B_Ray as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

B_Ray 5 (ATPG, romanic, Believer Tratorix, Woad
Tratorix 5 (, Chaotix, Kagemusha, Renata, Warman, DIY, )
classical_hero 4 (autolycus,, Diamondeye, Khaan, B_Ray
Renata 1 (Reenk)
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 1 (Khazaar)
Mr. Stuka 1 (TC)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)

Not checked, hasty tally.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, there are enough currently active people to move to Mr. Stuka, sparing c_h, B_Ray, and Trat_orix

I will do it if that's the call. B_Ray still needs to be pressured about his soft claim IMO.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: B_Ray; Vote: Mr. Stuka

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be a team player. Fingers crossed.

Unvote, vote: Mr. Stuka

I do have to run to work now though.

[Believer]

Unvote; B_Ray

Vote: Mr. Stuka

[Renata]

Likewise.

unvote, vote: Mr Stuka

One more if available would be safer for CH.

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Mr Stuka

Lets hope someone doesn't muck this up.

[Nightbringer]

I am going to have to vote: Tratorix

I haven't seen a good case on him but the role pm he posted appears forged to me, plus there is a group of people who have all too willingly decided to swing the vote away from him.
I say it looks forged because the format is completely different from what I have observed so far. Although I do not know if Sigurd generally has a strict format as far as role pm's are concerned.
The role pm also fits in almost too conveniently with what some people guessed about tratorix.

Finally, even if he is town, he is not important town and this should give us some idea of what to look for in future reveals.
(plus, why reveal "just for posterity," it only gives the mafia more information with which to forge pro town role pms)

Also, he is trying to force a full reveal on a possible powerful pro town role, which would be valuable information for the actual mafia in case CH is just making his power up to be bait for someone else.

In any case, he is not an important

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Mr Stuka

Lets hope someone doesn't muck this up.

Nightbringer, what did I just say? :sweatdrop:

[Renata]

Work this out to avoid a tie; lynching no one doesn't help the town despite that that sounds backwards.

[Nightbringer]

I would prefer to think I am wiping away the muck of mafia :)

and furthermore, what is there on stuka except a sudden "we can't lynch a power role (CH), so lynch anyone else... except tratorix"

[Nightbringer]

Work this out to avoid a tie; lynching no one doesn't help the town despite that that sounds backwards.

you're right, can someone please do a count.

[Tratorix]

I would prefer to think I am wiping away the muck of mafia :)

and furthermore, what is there on stuka except a sudden "we can't lynch a power role (CH), so lynch anyone else... except tratorix"

The only argument against me was "He's not classical hero", so its pretty much a shot in the dark either way. Vote how you feel you have to, my votes locked in and I'm going out.

[Renata]

That tratorix, other than that bad vote, hadn't done anything scummy, and there were probably better candidates.