Large Mafia Game Midgardsaga III [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Sigurd

07-20-2011, 23:55

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Round 5

Night 5

(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053345874&viewfull=1#post2053345874)
Holmgang 4 results (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136790-Midgardsaga-III-Holmgang-thread.&p=2053345874&viewfull=1#post2053345874)

The crowd was rather silent after the execution. They started on their way to their respective camps when suddenly the silence was pierced by someone; If it hadn’t been for that “female dog” Gyda, this would have been avoided. The men from Hordaland were bristling as it was their princess this dog was slagging. Take that back you filthy son of a worthless thrall. A particular big fella stood forth from the Hordaland camp pointing at the Rogaland sod who had uttered the hateful words against Gyda. The Rogaland man just shrugged; I spoke the words that are on everyone’s tongue, but dare not spit.
The Hordaland man was looming over the Rogaland man in moments, Take it back, NOW!!!
Or what? Answered the Rogaland man. The Hordaland man puffed up his chest; I will break you...
The Rogaland man smiled: With what? That limp hard-on you have for Erik’s daughter? The Hordaland man took the Rogaland man by the throat and lifted him into the air. The Rogaland man kicked the Hordaland man in the roe sack which caused him to be dropped. The Hordaland man needed a few seconds, but then he came at the Rogaland man with his battle axe drawn. The Rogaland man drew his own fine and sharp steel blade and with a quick Varangian tri-combo wounded the Hordaland man so that he dropped his axe... and his head.

A large man was sitting alone contemplating while polishing his was hammer. The Jotun... He could sometime smell them, the filthy sods they were. But then the vapour would disappear.
They must be here, hiding.
A stranger appears, carrying two horns of mead. He sits himself opposite the large man and offers one to him. The large man accepts, always thirsty. The stranger holds his horn high; To Gyda and her usurper lover. The large man holds his high too, but doesn’t reply. It was a strange skål, but hey... mead is mead. Skål!!
The large man drinks deeply... the liquid spilling from his chin. He wants to drain the horn in one go, but there seems to be no end. He gulps and gulps but there is no end to it.
This is ridiculous, He could draw a whole pitcher in one go, this mead horn was but a fraction of that. He finally couldn’t sink another drop and throws the horn away. It lands and sea-water is gushing out of it.
The stranger laughs; I can’t believe you fell for that twice.
The large man spits and then it dawns on him as he can smell it. But it was too late. A pair of huge hands grabs him from behind with such force that his shoulders feel as they are being pulverized. The stranger gets to his feet and where a normal human was before, a huge creature with yellow eyes stand. I guess you wish you were in your true form, but you can’t change as fast as we can... the horn he is holding in his huge hand changes too and becomes a large trident which he places at the large man’s throat. The large man struggles; You!!
The creature laughs with a chill voice and talks to the one who is holding the large man in some guttural language. The large man gets angry and starts to pull away from the creature holding him. He summons all his strength and by sheer will power taps into his true core. He feels his arms fracturing and shoulders dislocating. Then the Creature lets him go. The momentum that had been building up catapults him into the trident which runs him through.
The creature holding the trident pins the large man to the ground with a powerful stab. The large man struggles to get loose, but the other creature is there holding something over his head. He smiles and then drops the 20 ton boulder on top of the large man, utterly crushing his body. The large man suddenly finds himself standing by the Bitterfrost Bridge, red hair and beard flowing in the wind. He yells toward Midgard; I will have your heads for this Jotun.
He slams the ground with his mighty fist and Midgard trembles, waking people up in the middle of the night.

Gyda Eiriksdottir sneaks out of the forest, looking for a place to rest when she hears someone yelling from the right. She stops and hunkers down. A half naked man comes running towards her. She first thinks he can’t see her, but he looks pretty determined to reach the place where she is. She gets up and starts running but her skirts doesn’t allow for speed. The man soon catches up to her and swings his Frankish sword at her. She barely gets away, but a crimson stain appears on her back. She explodes; You insolent maggot!!!. She turns and meets the crazed man head on with her own blade. The man seems under the influence of something. His eyes are blood red and white foam is running from his mouth. She suddenly remembers; Berserkrgangr!! This man is poisoned. With cat like movements she dances around the wild swings of his expensive blade. It is not easy as the state he is in, greatly enhances speed and strength. This won’t do – she can’t die, here, not like this. She draws on her inner strength and suddenly lashes out, lopping off the crazed man’s arm. The crazed man doesn’t seem to lose momentum. He tries to grab her by the throat with his free hand. She is angry now. With a twirl and a strong slash she takes his head. She walks slowly up to the now still body and its silent head. I will not let you jeopardise my mission, fool man. Gyda dries her sword on the grass while scanning the area. I hope no-one noticed.

Tormod Safte Olavsson was tired after a long day of discussions. He wanted nothing but sleep.
He would not get any... As he walked alone near the camp, he was attacked by a crazed man whom seemed intent on killing him. This man was yelling and screaming with spit and saliva foaming around his mouth. Tormod took to his side, but didn’t find his sword. That’s right, it was being oiled by a serf man. This was not good. The crazed man wielded an axe and small trees were chopped down by the swings that missed Tormod.
The crazed man continued his advance and Tormod’s leg got caught on a rock. He fell to the ground and didn’t feel the axe cleaving his head.
The crazed man continued into the forest howling like a rabid dog and suddenly dropped to the ground exhausted.

The morning came and dire news with it. Two kings were slain this night. The King of Sunnmøre and Rogaland lay at the feet of the Hovgod who looked genuinely sad. This is dire news indeed. Let’s hope we can contain any anger that their retinues might have. And let’s keep this under wraps for now. We do not want their home kingdoms mustering.

Let’s really do our jobs this round and find the perpetrators.

Vote, people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
Chaotix
Diamondeye
glyphz
Khazaar
Reenk Roink
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)
woad&fangs (N4)
B_Ray (N5)
Believer (N5)
Renata (N5)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)
Nightbringer (D4)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88 (H3)
GeneralHankerchief (H4)

Reenk Roink

07-20-2011, 23:59

NOOOOOO GH ~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:

vote: Khaazar

Also, anyone else have ideas on how to kill Gyda, considering the most powerful assassin failed?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:17

I'm questioning the fact that TinCow is still alive at this point. CH called him on possibly being a power role:

If I were a Jotun, I would rather not be out in the open this early. I am a power role so it would be good to listen to what I say, Right now I cannot be too open since it will give the Jotun too much info so early in the game, but since they know I am powerful it should be obvious who I am. So those of like qualities should get in contact with me. I have contacted a few people about the game and what they are doing. There is one person who I am wondering about her activitiesand if they are legitimate , which they might be, but Want to put some pressure on vote:Tincow.
[...]

To which TinCow replied:

Why would you expose me like this before even replying to my PM? You have just killed me to save yourself, not a very townie action.
Pretty much confirming what classical was saying, that he had indeed a night action (or something).

Then why is he still alive after 4 nights have passed?

Personally I can't find a reason. If TinCow is dangerous, they would have killed him by now.

vote: TinCow

Chaotix

07-21-2011, 00:19

Why are we out to kill Gyda?

Also, one of those deaths was not only a king, but I'm pretty sure it was Thor. He had a hammer and red hair, and he died like the other two gods. Must've been B_Ray. And we didn't even know... could've been either a lucky guess or a network infiltration. If B_Ray was involved in that network, you guys better do a real careful look at the other members.

And now there are two berserkers. Apparantly even before the first one died.

...this game got much more complicated. There are a lot of things to take into account with this write-up.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:21

I'm pretty sure though not 100% certain (I'm not part of the network thing) that Believer and B_ray were kings. Therefore, Renata, who is Gyda? We will finish that hussy off now! :knight:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:22

@Sigurd: Can you answer this please?

Are the death written in the same order than the kill list?

(if this is something we should be aware of)

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:25

I'm pretty sure though not 100% certain (I'm not part of the network thing) that Believer and B_ray were kings. Therefore, Renata, who is Gyda? We will finish that hussy off now! :knight:

You're right not to be certain, Renata was 100% King, from where I sit. She told me, and after seeing 2 kings and an Aesir dying, I have no reason to doubt her word. As to why she claimed to me, I was about to make a case on her, for PIS knowledge, but gave her a chance to explain herself privately. She claimed to me instead of facing my case publicly.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 00:25

Then why is he still alive after 4 nights have passed?

Personally I can't find a reason. If TinCow is dangerous, they would have killed him by now.

vote: TinCow

Probably because they've been too busy slaughtering Gods.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:26

Just read Romanic's post, and interestingly, something I missed last time was that classical referred to TinCow as "her" strongly suggesting Gyda.

Vote: TinCow

Also, FoS: Romanic I'm voting for you next round Jotun scum. :stare:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:28

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:29

Why do you think I am Jotun?

I investigated you and you were guilty.

Now, then if Renata was one king, I think B_ray was the naked killer. Is TinCow Gyda B_ray?

TinCow

07-21-2011, 00:29

Just read Romanic's post, and interestingly, something I missed last time was that classical referred to TinCow as "her" strongly suggesting Gyda.

HAH! I wondered how long that would take. Yes, I am Gyda Eiriksdottir, bane of men. ph33r my luscious curves. It's somewhat ironic that the reason I flipped out on classical was that I thought his use of "her" made it totally obvious what my role was. Turns out that concern was vastly misplaced.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 00:30

Gyda didn't die. It seems like it was Believer who attacked Gyda under the influence of the poison, and he died, so he was one of the Kings who died.

Romanic the answer to your question should be yes even if the host doesn't answer, it's just common sense and matches what people have said here about prior dead. So B_Ray was Thor, and the last victim (Renata) of whomever that was, was also a King.

Absolute shame Thor died like that though. I'm thinking the town needs to lynch a Jotun today, but so much time wasted and nightkillitis means it won't be easy. The case on TinCow and his alibi both kinda make sense. tratorix never seemed to explain anything and should have been lynched a couple days ago.

As a default, I think Andres/Reenk are worth a lynch to take out the Loki cult without a sure lead on a Jotun, and they could easily be behind this poisoning/berserkerness after all too.

Chaotix

07-21-2011, 00:30

You're right not to be certain, Renata was 100% King, from where I sit. She told me, and after seeing 2 kings and an Aesir dying, I have no reason to doubt her word. As to why she claimed to me, I was about to make a case on her, for PIS knowledge, but gave her a chance to explain herself privately. She claimed to me instead of facing my case publicly.

Good to know.

Vote: Romanic

If TinCow is Gyda, why would you vote for him? She's the princess. You don't lynch the princess. Even if she's the reason that dude from the east is trying to conquer us. Killing her would just make him more pissed off.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 00:31

Reenk, ATPG is Gyda or a Jotun...either way he is lying BIG-TIME and now it's time to get rid of him.:yes:

Vote:ATPG

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:32

Unvote, vote: ATPG

TinCow is Gyda WE.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:33

I investigated you and you were guilty.

Now, then if Renata was one king, I think B_ray was the naked killer. Is TinCow Gyda B_ray?

You lie. You never investigated me, there's no way you could get a guilty result on me this late in the game, even if you were any kind of flawed scanner, and you're obviously not a good scanner or you wouldn't have gotten a guilty result on me.

If I am clearly Jotun to you, why don't you vote me first? Surely the Jotun are more important than Gyda, at this point, whoever she is.

If you're trying to pull a Town move, to judge my reaction or something, I suggest you stop right here Reenk, you're not helping.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:34

You lie. You never investigated me, there's no way you could get a guilty result on me this late in the game, even if you were any kind of flawed scanner, and you're obviously not a good scanner or you wouldn't have gotten a guilty result on me.

If I am clearly Jotun to you, why don't you vote me first? Surely the Jotun are more important than Gyda, at this point, whoever she is.

If you're trying to pull a Town move, to judge my reaction or something, I suggest you stop right here Reenk, you're not helping.

We don't have to lynch you Romanic. The hit is already set up. :wink:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 00:35

Such terrible cultists. Glad one of the cowards died in Holmgang. Also, whoever was talking about Eir before is pretty much guaranteed anti-town, but I think that's Roink anyway, someone can check, didn't show up on a search so would take some manual looking.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:35

Good to know.

Vote: Romanic

If TinCow is Gyda, why would you vote for him? She's the princess. You don't lynch the princess. Even if she's the reason that dude from the east is trying to conquer us. Killing her would just make him more pissed off.
I never acknowledged TinCow as Gyda or a princess, and I don't even know who she is. I probably missed a writeup or some post. My vote is sorely on the basis that he should be dead, from being a role with an ability, as per CH's comment.

Feel free to inform me who Gyda is. I must have missed something, catching up with this thread.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 00:37

If you're trying to pull a Town move, to judge my reaction or something, I suggest you stop right here Reenk, you're not helping.Your acting far to defensive for me to ignore this....one would chalk it up to "Reenk being Reenk" but your going too overboard here.:bow:
Unvote:ATPG Vote:Romanic

Earthling

07-21-2011, 00:40

Everyone voting against Roman and ATPG here is clearly a cultist or wannabe, just to interject that again to people who are missing it.

They do need to be taken out through Holmgang or whatever can be done (as humans can't successfully Holmgang Jotun or anything, that's about all Holmgang is good for now) as the town is running low on voting power at this point. If we could lynch the actual Loki today that would be great, otherwise it's kinda a null lynch and we want to get a Jotun.

If you're trying to pull a Town move, to judge my reaction or something, I suggest you stop right here Reenk, you're not helping.

Well he's not town, he's a cultist or Loki himself. Jotun are probably among the semi-lurkers and scummy looking, like Diamondeye and tratorix (you know, the people who would have been good lynches for days but townies had to get lynched to appease Loki and so on)

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:41

Ah, Gyda is one who was attacked, and apparently she survived, and killed, her attacked, who could only be Believer. Hrm.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:42

Your acting far to defensive for me to ignore this....one would chalk it up to "Reenk being Reenk" but your going too overboard here.:bow:
Vote:Romanic
Yeah, yeah, whatever. I'd like to see you react to being "scanned" guilty when you're not, see how non-defensive you would be.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 00:42

I just wanna say, if there is a cult I am sorely disappointed I haven't been invited yet.

Chaotix

07-21-2011, 00:45

I never acknowledged TinCow as Gyda or a princess, and I don't even know who she is. I probably missed a writeup or some post. My vote is sorely on the basis that he should be dead, from being a role with an ability, as per CH's comment.

Feel free to inform me who Gyda is. I must have missed something, catching up with this thread.

Read your own quote from classical. He refers to one person and "her activities". Then he votes for TinCow. Wasn't this the point you were making? If classical's words are to be believed and trusted as you propose, TinCow is Gyda.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 00:46

...because you're a Jotun tratorix. And Chaotix that's a laughable strawman against Romanic.

Romanic, that's a yes and with this latest writeup we have a revision on what the Naked-Killers are. It's quite possibly a different killer each night, not one serial killer, and explains why the one kill failed before too, as it seems some third party is causing townies to attack other townies (a poison that sends them into a rage).

Devious way to avoid a scummer possibly being scanned or traced too.

The question is whether the root cause is also Jotun or Loki & co. Maybe someone has a lead on what happened the night there was no Naked-Kill attempt at all too, iirc.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 00:46

Yeah, yeah, whatever. I'd like to see you react to being "scanned" guilty when you're not, see how non-defensive you would be. Reenk has sent me PM's saying he wanted me to kill innocent people, but then in-thread publicly stated I made up those "Poorly crafted PM's":laugh4:

I have been though much worse then you with Reenk....but that doesn't explain away, why your over-reacting if you are just a townie.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:48

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 00:50

What?
:love: TheLastdays and Khazzered are still alive....Loki won't be happy.:shame:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 00:51

...because you're a Jotun tratorix. And Chaotix that's a laughable strawman against Romanic.

If you think I'm Jotun, why not vote for me?

Oh, right. You can't. Cuz your dead. I must have been confused by how lively you look while jumping to all these conclusions.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:52

You know what, I'm just going to vote for who TinCow votes for.

Unvote

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 00:52

If you think I'm Jotun, why not vote for me?

Oh, right. You can't. Cuz your dead. I must have been confused by how lively you look while jumping to all these conclusions.

ROFL :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::lau gh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4:

autolycus

07-21-2011, 00:57

It does seem likely that Tin Cow is Gyda, and my guess is that she might also be a Jotun. I'm also going to guess that the Berserkers are caused by Loki, now that we know it's an external force. It seems like the kind of thing he might pull. Any opinions on which is higher priority?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 00:58

Read your own quote from classical. He refers to one person and "her activities". Then he votes for TinCow. Wasn't this the point you were making? If classical's words are to be believed and trusted as you propose, TinCow is Gyda.

Yes, but Gyda being in the game was not known at this point. When I read "her", I figured that classical made a gender mistake. I didn't realize he was revealing her identity with this pronoun. I rather thought the keyword was "activities", meaning CH had a night ability.

And then my reasoning was, if someone is revealed as having a night ability, why is he still alive after 4 nights has passed? Surely he must be a Jotun.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:00

Surely you must be Jotun because you knew who Renata was and she died. Come on Romanic... :rolleyes: Unvote TinCow and you won't be killed tonight. Simple as that.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 01:03

Surely you must be Jotun because you knew who Renata was and she died.
Renata trusted Romanic? bad move from the scummy vibes he is giving off...even Reenk is more trustworthy.:bounce:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:05

Reenk has sent me PM's saying he wanted me to kill innocent people, but then in-thread publicly stated I made up those "Poorly crafted PM's":laugh4:

I have been though much worse then you with Reenk....but that doesn't explain away, why your over-reacting if you are just a townie.

Overreacting implies emotion I believe. Show me which part of my answer to Reenk displayed such emotion? My last sentence was a warning to him that such games were not helping the Town, because I know who I am. I don't read much emotion in it, but maybe it's because I didn't really feel much, except that Reenk was either playing games or be a Jotun himself. Since the game seems to be so much in favor of the Jotun, at this point, it seemed to me that Reenk was probably playing games, and it's no time to do so, hence the warning. Reenk's play already got a vote on me, I guess that I was right about doing so.

The least you could do now Reenk, is admit you were teasing, so that votes could lend on someone else, unless you do believe I am a bad guy.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 01:06

Who was it talking about a "protective amulet" or whatever on that Arnvid guy? Looking at the writeup again that doesn't really seem indicated and it could be a lie based on trying to fool people from a previous Midgard game. As Loki & co may also be behind the berserkerness that's also worth a check, the real reason the attack failed maybe simply being they chose one weak townie to attack another.

Any opinions on which is higher priority?

Getting a Jotun would be better for the town. But the risk of not getting anyone is really bad, that the standard tratorix, Diamondeye, etc... cases are not enough of a guarantee if someone doesn't have more to say. Loki/Loki followers are more of a guaranteed lynch.

Roink would be an excellent lynch on the Loki front, especially if you deem Loki a higher priority than the Jotun anyway, and even if he just shows up as human cult Andres and the Jotun might still have some dueling to do tonight that would buy the town time.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 01:07

Yes, but Gyda being in the game was not known at this point.

I'm specifically named in the very first non-rules post of the game...

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:07

White eyes please unvote Romanic (vote for him again if he keeps his vote on TinCow.

YOU HAPPY ROMANIC?

TinCow

07-21-2011, 01:09

Who was it talking about a "protective amulet" or whatever on that Arnvid guy? Looking at the writeup again that doesn't really seem indicated and it could be a lie based on trying to fool people from a previous Midgard game.

That was me. It seemed likely to me, as the doctor/roleblocker role worked exactly the same way in Midgard 2.

GeneralHankerchief

07-21-2011, 01:09

I'd just like to point out that I have now died in all three Midgard games via Holmgang. :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 01:10

Romanic is still right about that though. No guarantees from the host and a townie would not necessarily know, worse trickiness on setups has been seen before. There's not a guarantee you weren't NPCs, both you and the "usurper king." By the way we should probably be on the lookout for him also being in the game, and also anti-town, if you're telling the truth TinCow.

If you're town Tincow you desperately need to tell the town anything else you know about other characters and VCs that are not standard. And you could confirm to people who need to know if ATPG is actually the last King I suppose, is your King (father) one of the dead ones or would that be him, or he is an NPC, I haven't really checked?

Believer

07-21-2011, 01:12

Humoungous FOS: ATPG

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:14

Humoungous FOS: ATPG

Why?

can you say why?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 01:16

Since the game seems to be so much in favor of the Jotun, at this point, it seemed to me that Reenk was probably playing games, and it's no time to do so, hence the warning. The least you could do now Reenk, is admit you were teasing, so that votes could lend on someone else, unless you do believe I am a bad guy.You can tell, you don't know Reenk.:laugh4: Reenk is kinda like Joker off "The Dark Knight" and it really shows...he loves chaos and you can never tell whose side he is on. In all the games I have played with him, he has show that he well throw fellow mafia buddy's under the bus if need be. He well also throw fellow townies under the bus for the lulz. But Reenk still hates to lose.

Reenk also made a good point about you knowing Renata's role. The fact that you can't seem to accept that most players here might ignore it, makes it all seem more true. The proverbial "Digging one's own grave".:grin2:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:17

I don't get the last writeup anyway:

The crowd was rather silent after the execution. They started on their way to their respective camps when suddenly the silence was pierced by someone; If it hadn’t been for that “female dog” Gyda, this would have been avoided. The men from Hordaland were bristling as it was their princess this dog was slagging. Take that back you filthy son of a worthless thrall. A particular big fella stood forth from the Hordaland camp pointing at the Rogaland sod who had uttered the hateful words against Gyda. The Rogaland man just shrugged; I spoke the words that are on everyone’s tongue, but dare not spit.
The Hordaland man was looming over the Rogaland man in moments, Take it back, NOW!!!
Or what? Answered the Rogaland man. The Hordaland man puffed up his chest; I will break you...
The Rogaland man smiled: With what? That limp hard-on you have for Erik’s daughter? The Hordaland man took the Rogaland man by the throat and lifted him into the air. The Rogaland man kicked the Hordaland man in the roe sack which caused him to be dropped. The Hordaland man needed a few seconds, but then he came at the Rogaland man with his battle axe drawn. The Rogaland man drew his own fine and sharp steel blade and with a quick Varangian tri-combo wounded the Hordaland man so that he dropped his axe... and his head.

^ This is the Holmgang challenge, GH vs Khazaar. Khazaar wins, GH is killed.

A large man was sitting alone contemplating while polishing his was hammer. The Jotun... He could sometime smell them, the filthy sods
they were. But then the vapour would disappear. They must be here, hiding.
A stranger appears, carrying two horns of mead. He sits himself opposite the large man and offers one to him. The large man accepts, always thirsty. The stranger holds his horn high; To Gyda and her usurper lover. The large man holds his high too, but doesn’t reply. It was a strange skål, but hey... mead is mead. Skål!!
The large man drinks deeply... the liquid spilling from his chin. He wants to drain the horn in one go, but there seems to be no end. He gulps and gulps but there is no end to it.
This is ridiculous, He could draw a whole pitcher in one go, this mead horn was but a fraction of that. He finally couldn’t sink another drop and throws the horn away. It lands and sea-water is gushing out of it.
The stranger laughs; I can’t believe you fell for that twice.
The large man spits and then it dawns on him as he can smell it. But it was too late. A pair of huge hands grabs him from behind with such force that his shoulders feel as they are being pulverized. The stranger gets to his feet and where a normal human was before, a huge creature with yellow eyes stand. I guess you wish you were in your true form, but you can’t change as fast as we can... the horn he is holding in his huge hand changes too and becomes a large trident which he places at the large man’s throat. The large man struggles; You!!
The creature laughs with a chill voice and talks to the one who is holding the large man in some guttural language. The large man gets angry and starts to pull away from the creature holding him. He summons all his strength and by sheer will power taps into his true core. He feels his arms fracturing and shoulders dislocating. Then the Creature lets him go. The momentum that had been building up catapults him into the trident which runs him through.
The creature holding the trident pins the large man to the ground with a powerful stab. The large man struggles to get loose, but the other creature is there holding something over his head. He smiles and then drops the 20 ton boulder on top of the large man, utterly crushing his body. The large man suddenly finds himself standing by the Bitterfrost Bridge, red hair and beard flowing in the wind. He yells toward Midgard; I will have your heads for this Jotun.
He slams the ground with his mighty fist and Midgard trembles, waking people up in the middle of the night.

^Thor is killed, likely by a Jotun.

Gyda Eiriksdottir sneaks out of the forest, looking for a place to rest when she hears someone yelling from the right. She stops and hunkers down. A half naked man comes running towards her. She first thinks he can’t see her, but he looks pretty determined to reach the place where she is. She gets up and starts running but her skirts doesn’t allow for speed. The man soon catches up to her and swings his Frankish sword at her. She barely gets away, but a crimson stain appears on her back. She explodes; You insolent maggot!!!. She turns and meets the crazed man head on with her own blade. The man seems under the influence of something. His eyes are blood red and white foam is running from his mouth. She suddenly remembers; Berserkrgangr!! This man is poisoned. With cat like movements she dances around the wild swings of his expensive blade. It is not easy as the state he is in, greatly enhances speed and strength. This won’t do – she can’t die, here, not like this. She draws on her inner strength and suddenly lashes out, lopping off the crazed man’s arm. The crazed man doesn’t seem to lose momentum. He tries to grab her by the throat with his free hand. She is angry now. With a twirl and a strong slash she takes his head. She walks slowly up to the now still body and its silent head. I will not let you jeopardise my mission, fool man. Gyda dries her sword on the grass while scanning the area. I hope no-one noticed.

^ Gyda is attacked, but she kills her attacker instead. The attacker is dead.

Tormod Safte Olavsson was tired after a long day of discussions. He wanted nothing but sleep.
He would not get any... As he walked alone near the camp, he was attacked by a crazed man whom seemed intent on killing him. This man was yelling and screaming with spit and saliva foaming around his mouth. Tormod took to his side, but didn’t find his sword. That’s right, it was being oiled by a serf man. This was not good. The crazed man wielded an axe and small trees were chopped down by the swings that missed Tormod.
The crazed man continued his advance and Tormod’s leg got caught on a rock. He fell to the ground and didn’t feel the axe cleaving his head.
The crazed man continued into the forest howling like a rabid dog and suddenly dropped to the ground exhausted.

^Tormod is killed by a crazy man.

The morning came and dire news with it. Two kings were slain this night. The King of Sunnmøre and Rogaland lay at the feet of the Hovgod who looked genuinely sad. This is dire news indeed. Let’s hope we can contain any anger that their retinues might have. And let’s keep this under wraps for now. We do not want their home kingdoms mustering.

^Confirming 2 kings and an Aesir, Thor likely, are dead.

So who did Gyda kill? One of the Kings?

A king attacked Gyda?

I don't get it. Feel free to point what I missed, or explained what I don't get.

Believer

07-21-2011, 01:18

Why?

can you say why?

From what I understand the only thing I can contribute is stuff that is already public knowledge.
Trust me though that you want to hear from him. Or you can just lynch him without that, I'm fine either way.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 01:18

Actually yeah, I just checked the writeups. The Hordaland King isn't dead while the three others are (Nordmore, Sunmore, Rogaland) and I don't think there are any other countries mentioned.

So ATPG or guy-ATPG-is-covering-for are the remaining King/Champion and should be able to confirm if TinCow is the princess.

It's also possible Roink is Harald/the usurper, now that I think about it, though him and Loki allying for that purpose isn't any better for the town even if true.

Anyway town is still looking abysmal though and I don't have much more to help, just finished off those leads and loose ends, good luck, maybe you'll get lucky, maybe the Jotun will defeat Loki and the other non-town cowards too at least.

Oh and Diamondeye is actually a good call for having killed me, all things considered, as it appears the poison rage was directed after all and not a SK. A lynch on Diamondeye would be swell.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 01:20

I don't get it. Feel free to point what I missed, or explained what I don't get.

King driven crazy by Loki, attacks as meatshield, all of the "Naked" Attacks seem to be like that. So yes, the King Believer attacked Gyda. The one other time it failed was more likely because a weak townie was sent after another townie. Not a guarantee (it coudl be someone other than Loki) but an explanation worth repeating.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 01:20

Unvote:Romanic Vote:ATPG Ok, the baby has his bottle...:brood:

ATPG is scum, it is known:2thumbsup:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:20

Vote: Atpg

TinCow

07-21-2011, 01:21

If you're town Tincow you desperately need to tell the town anything else you know about other characters and VCs that are not standard. And you could confirm to people who need to know if ATPG is actually the last King I suppose, is your King (father) one of the dead ones or would that be him, or he is an NPC, I haven't really checked?

Yes, I suppose this is actually a good idea under the circumstances. There is a human role out there somewhere that is trying to kill me. I have no idea who it is, but it's why I was so annoyed to be named as "her" earlier in the game. If that person is still alive, I will not survive the next night. I have an activity investigation power. So far, all results have been inactive:

N1 - GH
N2 - Andres
N3 - Renata
N4 - Tratorix
N5 - DE

Yes, I know who my father the King is. Yes, he is alive. No, he is not ATPG.

GeneralHankerchief

07-21-2011, 01:21

Vote: ATPG

Ascension has its benefits. :smoking:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 01:25

I was more thinking along the lines if you could confirm that Harald the usurper/lover boy was also in the game or something like that. Well, whatever you know has a chance to help the town though.

There's no way Andres wasn't active if he was Loki, who probably does stuff right? So either he's not Loki and just fronting for him again, or maybe he's able to drive other people crazy to do his bidding, but still. The others maybe are simple townies after all but that would leave us few leads on the Jotun, most unfortunately.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 01:27

I was more thinking along the lines if you could confirm that Harald the usurper/lover boy was also in the game or something like that. Well, whatever you know has a chance to help the town though.

I have not seen anything that makes me think my boyfriend is in this game.

There's no way Andres wasn't active if he was Loki, who probably does stuff right? So either he's not Loki and just fronting for him again, or maybe he's able to drive other people crazy to do his bidding, but still. The others maybe are simple townies after all but that would leave us few leads on the Jotun, most unfortunately.

:shrug: That was the result I got. Worth noting there were no crazy drunken guys running around N2.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:28

I suppose I know why Believer thinks ATPG should be lynched: He had a lot of information, and I guess Believer thinks he could have pulled this move, killing 2 kings and a power role, on the same night.

ATPG knew Renata's and Believer's identities, as per our private chats, but I'm still wondering if he would have played it this way. If he's Jotun, we're in trouble anyway, he knows too much.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:29

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:31

I would also like to note that Tratorix is the newest member to join Club 30 and we are retiring GH's number for his great service to our team. :bow:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 01:32

Yes, I know who my father the King is. Yes, he is alive. No, he is not ATPG.

Welp. Vote: ATPG.

GeneralHankerchief

07-21-2011, 01:33

I would also like to note that Tratorix is the newest member to join Club 30

Oh God... bad memories... :hide:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:35

Oh God... bad memories... :hide:

Ok we will relocate to Clinton, Iowa and be known as the Hankerchiefs (this has very high logo potential by the way).

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:36

Why are you so hesitant to vote for Atpg? Ok for sure the hit is set on you tonight after we lynch Atpg. :beam:
I'm not hesitant, I am still considering/reading/analyzing etc.. What's the rush anyway? We've got plenty of time.

And even though I'm not yet voting ATPG, I gave you one more reason to do so yourself (revealing that he knew Renata's and Believer's identities), this should be enough to prove that I am not siding with him, or any friendly link you can see between us.

I've considered that ATPG could be a Jotun, anyway, but TinCow looked like a better first vote.

Anyway, here's a candy for you Reenk.

unvote: TinCow

It should satisfy you for a good 15 minutes. :smug2:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:38

King driven crazy by Loki, attacks as meatshield, all of the "Naked" Attacks seem to be like that. So yes, the King Believer attacked Gyda. The one other time it failed was more likely because a weak townie was sent after another townie. Not a guarantee (it coudl be someone other than Loki) but an explanation worth repeating.
Okay, I can accept this explanation, hence why I unvoted TinCow above.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:38

By the way, I hope people now learn what GH was ranting about earlier. Why do you guys just willingly share your role PMs? :laugh4:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 01:42

By the way, I hope people now learn what GH was ranting about earlier. Why do you guys just willingly share your role PMs? :laugh4:

:yes: Sharing information in private almost never helps the town.

GeneralHankerchief

07-21-2011, 01:45

:yes: Sharing information in private almost never helps the town.

I say we use our powers to kill off everybody in the network, then focus on finding the Jotun ourselves and doing the job in record time (also, we'll have less Jotun to kill since one or two of them will inevitably be hiding in the network). :yes:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 01:46

(also, we'll have less Jotun to kill since one or two of them will inevitably be hiding in the network). :yes:

I believe that's called "pulling a Tincow".

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:46

Romanic who was in the network?

By the way, let's step back here for a minute. What has happened to our man glyphz, who is a king. King of Hordaland? And did Atpg actually claim to be King of Hordaland? Or a different Kingdom? How many Kings are there?

glyphz what kingdom are you king of?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 01:49

I wonder why so many people just ran into the Jotun's arms with this?

I think when ATPG "claimed" King, Too many people trusted him and run to there deaths by giving him their role PM's.:no:

Town killed itself....what a joke.:shame:

B-Wing

07-21-2011, 01:49

Sigurd, are the dead allowed to discuss their roles and information attained prior to death? I don't see anything in the OP addressing it.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:51

Sigurd, are the dead allowed to discuss their roles and information attained prior to death? I don't see anything in the OP addressing it.

Just in case you aren't B_ray, what is your opinion on Atpg? Good or bad?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:52

Romanic who was in the network?
Afaik, Renata, Believer and ATPG. And I'm not sure we can speak of a Town network, only some people discussing with ATPG. There's no reason for me to think Renata was speaking with Believer.

Personally I only learned today who Renata was, perhaps 90 minutes before the last writeup, and I never knew Believer's role. Most of my private talking was done with ATPG. He claimed knowing all the champions and at least three kings, and that was after DIY died, so maybe he knows 4 kings. As I said, if he's Jotun, we're in trouble anyway, he knows too much.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:53

Afaik, Renata, Believer and ATPG. And I'm not sure we can speak of a Town network, only some people discussing with ATPG. There's no reason for me to think Renata was speaking with Believer.

Personally I only learned today who Renata was, perhaps 90 minutes before the last writeup, and I never knew Believer's role. Most of my private talking was done with ATPG. He claimed knowing all the champions and at least three kings, and that was after DIY died, so maybe he knows 4 kings. As I said, if he's Jotun, we're in trouble anyway, he knows too much.

Did you ever get his claimed kingdom out of him?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 01:55

He claimed knowing all the champions and at least three kings, and that was after DIY died, so maybe he knows 4 kings. As I said, if he's Jotun, we're in trouble anyway, he knows too much. Wow...town might be doomed no matter what.:laugh4:

Edit: That kind of info would give him more then enough time to win. I think if TinCow would have died last night, it would have been game over for town. Now both Andres and TinCow are left. I can't fathom why Andres would try to kill TinCow unless, he is with ATPG...TinCow might be on his own now thanks to Pizzaguy and network sharing.

ATPG takes his sweet time betraying you and it is showing here.:laugh4:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 01:57

I think there might be 6 kingdoms (I think that's what it was in M1). We jumped too fast on Earthling's information which assumed 4.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 01:58

Did you ever get his claimed kingdom out of him?
Nope.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 02:01

Well, I hope ATPG comes online soon, this should be interesting. :drama3:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:04

I think there might be 6 kingdoms (I think that's what it was in M1). We jumped too fast on Earthling's information which assumed 4.
Yes, likely six kingdoms. Again, here's a link to the previous game, Midgardsaga 2, with the role distribution.

Midgardsaga II had three Jotuns, three Aesirs (Thor, Odin, Loki) and three Christians. Other players were nords, from various countries. I think this setup will be similar since we've at least seen "War Veterans" in the writeups, and the previous games also had these roles.

Here's a link to the previous setup (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?105637-The-Midgard-Saga-II-Concluded&p=1999680&viewfull=1#post1999680).

Also, I'm not sure what the Aesirs were, though they are obviously Gods, maybe power roles. Odin and Thor are typically good, and Loki is evil. I'll have to read more on the previous game tomorrow, gotta hit the sack now, but go ahead and check it yourself. It can't be bad to have an idea what to expect.

In that game, TinCow was Jotun, and had a Champion cover role, with a balancing rule that his team could never ever kill his "king" Ichigo. I guess that this could be present in this game again, although Sigurd might have picked King cover role to trick us, but there's certainly a mason cover role somewhere, or six pairs of masons could be hard to overcome.

GeneralHankerchief

07-21-2011, 02:07

No matter the outcome here, I hope we've all learned a valuable lesson from today's events. :book:

~Cassandra

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:07

I think there might be 6 kingdoms (I think that's what it was in M1). We jumped too fast on Earthling's information which assumed 4. No, there is only 4 kingdoms to the west and a fifth one in the dispute.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 02:07

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:08

No, there is only 4 kingdoms to the west and a fifth one in the dispute.
How do you figure that?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:09

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Tincow claiming god at some point in that game, the turning out to be Jotun.
No, TinCow made a God cover role (Tyr) for one of his partners (LittleGrizzly). He, himself, was Jotun, with a Champion cover role, and his fake identity was (I'm assuming this) known to King Ichigo.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 02:10

I'm counting the kings who have died to be 3: DiY, Believer, and B_ray. glyphz by appeal to game mechanics should be a 4th king.

No, there is only 4 kingdoms to the west and a fifth one in the dispute.

How do you know? Where is this stated?

By the way why don't you tell everyone who you are Romanic? :wink:

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:10

How do you figure that? It says in the OP, check Wikipedia or google "Petty Kingdoms of Norway":yes:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:12

By the way why don't you tell everyone who you are Romanic? :wink:
I'd rather keep people guessing, if you don't have any objection. :wink:

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:15

Grrrr....My post didn't show and is lost, but it's in the OP "Kingdoms of the West". Check Wikipedia or Google "Petty Kingdoms of Norway".:yes:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 02:19

Grrrr....My post didn't show and is lost, but it's in the OP "Kingdoms of the West". Check Wikipedia or Google "Petty Kingdoms of Norway".:yes:

Nothing in the OP about the number, this is Wikipedia's list:

2 Kingdom of Fjordane
3 Kingdom of Grenland
4 Kingdom of Gudbrandsdal
5 Kingdom of Hadeland
6 Kingdom of Hardanger
7 Kingdom of Hedmark
8 Kingdom of Hordaland
9 Kingdom of Hålogaland
10 Kingdom of Land
11 Kingdom of Namdalen
12 Kingdom of Nordmøre
13 Kingdom of Oppland
14 Kingdom of Orkdalen
15 Kingdom of Ranrike
16 Kingdom of Raumarike
17 Kingdom of Ringerike
18 Kingdom of Rogaland
19 Kingdom of Romsdal
20 Kingdom of Sogn
21 Kingdom of Solør
22 Kingdom of Sunnmøre
23 Kingdom of Telemark
24 Kingdom of Toten
25 Kingdom of Trøndelag
26 Kingdom of Vestfold
27 Kingdom of Vestmar
28 Kingdom of Vingulmark
29 Kingdom of Viken
30 Kingdom of Voss

You do know that a prerequisite for membership in the Clinton Hankerchiefs is having basic counting skills?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:19

Grrrr....My post didn't show and is lost, but it's in the OP "Kingdoms of the West". Check Wikipedia or Google "Petty Kingdoms of Norway".:yes:

This page from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_kingdoms_of_Norway) is listing 30 kingdoms. Where do you get that there's only five? :shrug:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 02:20

Wiki has told me that this game is based on a true story and the usurper king wins. :worried:

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:26

Are you guys serious? "Kings of the West Coast", Norway is not THAT BIG....:stare:

Renata

07-21-2011, 02:29

Somebody knew who b_ray was beyond all doubt, else why use two Jotun on him.

I wasn't killed by the Jotun. This doesn't contradict the implications of the first comment, but may have implications as to who did.

I'm never going to be able to shake my impression of Romanic as scummy after what he pulled on me today.

Given b_ray's last PM to me, there's an obvious question he needs to ask Sigurd.

More in the morning.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 02:31

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:37

Thanks Renata,

Checkmate Romanic :cool:
Yeah, well Renata is wrong. If I was a Jotun, I would not have pressured her like I did, since half the players are dead and no Jotun were found. My PIS case on her was good, and I gave her the opportunity to defend herself, or face a public case. If it's her interpretation that I am scummy, very well then, I'll answer the charges, lynch me for it. But I think she should reconsider, after going over the fact that she's been killed. Being pissed off doesn't help you analyze stuff.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:37

It's also suspicious, how Pizzaguy never shared where he was King of. Only that he had a champion. He joked that he was King of all Norway...very usurper-like no?:inquisitive:

There is Sunnmøre, Rogaland, Fjordane, Hålogaland, Nordmore and Hovgod as the mediators. The King of Nordmore, Sunnmore and Rogalnd are dead. There might be one more but somebody else look in the write-ups my head hurts..:dizzy2:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 02:38

Are you guys serious? "Kings of the West Coast", Norway is not THAT BIG....:stare:
I can find six kingdoms mentioned in the writeups:

Fjordane
Hålogaland
Nordmøre
Rogaland
Romsdal
Sunnmore

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 02:41

I can find six kingdoms mentioned in the writeups:

Fjordane
Hålogaland
Nordmøre
Rogaland
Romsdal
Sunnmore What about Hovgod?

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 02:43

I can find six kingdoms mentioned in the writeups:

Fjordane
Hålogaland
Nordmøre
Rogaland
Romsdal
Sunnmore

Hordaland too, but we're not even sure there is a King of that. Hålogaland is of Harald and we're not sure he's there either. I'd say it's more likely that Hordaland is included. 6 sounds right.

I'm going to unvote: Atpg for now, until I hear from glyphz and himself. We still have Andres for killing, and while our ascensions plans have been stalled for 2 rounds, hopefully they get going again soon.

Renata

07-21-2011, 02:51

Renata

07-21-2011, 02:53

And white_eyes is way too happy right now to be a townie.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 03:06

In that game, TinCow was Jotun, and had a Champion cover role, with a balancing rule that his team could never ever kill his "king" Ichigo. I guess that this could be present in this game again, although Sigurd might have picked King cover role to trick us, but there's certainly a mason cover role somewhere, or six pairs of masons could be hard to overcome.

To clarify, our only restriction was that we couldn't night kill Ichigo. We were allowed to lynch him, we just never figured out a way to do that so he was the last one left alive.

No, TinCow made a God cover role (Tyr) for one of his partners (LittleGrizzly). He, himself, was Jotun, with a Champion cover role, and his fake identity was (I'm assuming this) known to King Ichigo.

Correct, Ichigo's role PM told him I was his Champion. Thus, my cover role had a mason aspect to it and right from the start I had a townie ready to back up my alibi. Given the similarities in structure that we've seen between this game and Midgard 2, it's likely that the think kind of setup is present here as well.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 03:10

I would like to know who knew about b_ray or could have drawn a very certain correct conclusion based on what they did know.

I knew, he protected me and told me so. I'm pretty sure that Arnvid Torarinsson knew as well, though I have no idea who that is. B_Ray also told me that he was trying to expand his 'network', which implies other people. I assumed it was ATPG's group, but that was just a guess and I have no actual evidence of it.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 03:12

And white_eyes is way too happy right now to be a townie.

White eyes will be the last Jotun to die due to his help.

Atpg has the fact that classical investigated him as a bit of an alibi, though Atpg claims that himself. Vote: Romanic Quote your role PM. Because you'll die either in the lynch or at night.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 03:20

And white_eyes is way too happy right now to be a townie.
You guys messed up not me. Why should I be upset because town looks doomed?:shrug:

If I was a Pro-town, I would be crying my eyes out at how bad you all dropped the ball.:laugh4:

Edit: Reenk, please don't make me use that line from "commando".:grin2:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 03:20

I would like to know who knew about b_ray or could have drawn a very certain correct conclusion based on what they did know. I'd like to see that discussed in excruciating detail. As far as I know you (romanic) were not in that group, but that's only as far as I know.

Well, you're right about me not knowing B_Ray's identity, and I sure would like to hear who knew about it.

I understand your defense against my impression of you entirely, save your characterization of your case as good. It was not good. What it was was certain townie-vote bait. Townies don't even see PIS cases usually, for all that they love to vote for them. But scum do, because they're the ones who know when a townie has gotten it right. You made a mistake pushing me that way, if you are town.
That's your opinion, but as I've said to you in chat:
1) Your assumption that the kill order was matching the dead player list, was odd to me because Sigurd isn't clearly showing who is who, and I figured there was a reason behind it, rather than it being obvious, hence a PIS accusation at you. (Renata's #411 post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136627-Midgardsaga-III-In-Play&p=2053344188&viewfull=1#post2053344188), for those who aren't following)
2) You were not as active as you use to be when you're Town. This has been a scumtell for you in some games - I can dig some games where you were "inactive" (or less active, in your case), and you were scum.
3) No real reasons to believe otherwise (that you were not scum).
4) And an aggravating factor against you about this game (you know what I'm talking about).

So, "if I was Town", the pressure made a lot of sense to me, call it a mistake if you want, but it's not in my opinion. Your claim should have helped us, since the alternative was me making a public case on you, which could have been far worse than just me knowing your identity. I gave you a choice, and you decided to reveal your identity. Now of course it looks bad since you are dead, but all I can say is that I have nothing to do with your death. Others knew about your identity so meh, it must be one of them, or perhaps a shot in the dark, though 2 kings and 1 Aesir dying implies otherwise. :shrug:

TinCow

07-21-2011, 03:36

Has anyone seen anything that would make them think that the Law Speaker is a role in this game? I've assumed since day 1 that the Law Speaker was a pro-town role since he appears in the OP right after me. However, I haven't seen anyone say anything that would indicate he actually exists as a player role. If this game mimics the Midgard 2 setup, there's got to be a counterpart to the Midgard 2 Christians (of which there were three) which are not present here. I assumed it was me, the guy who's trying to kill me, and the Law Speaker.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 03:40

Renata's death is the only one iffy when it comes to Atpg I think. I mean, why are you all surprised B_ray got owned? One of his first posts was making explicit how important to the town he was. :wall: Believer's death doesn't seem to be connected to Atpg, despite his FoS.

A lot is in Atpg's favor, and while there are still some things we want to know (EVERYONE he has been talking to, his claimed kingdom), I have a gut feeling that Atpg is a king, and the last thing we want to do is follow in the Aesir's footsteps and kill our important roles. This is EXACTLY why we needed new gods. Ascension is salvation.

Seriously Aesir, you guys were huge liabilities in this game. :laugh4:

The good news is DE and especially Tratorix should be left alone now.

Now, I don't like Romanic, but I'm also wondering about Khazaar. Does he look strong to you guys? I know GH had a low score but still...

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 03:43

autolycus, robbiecon, Romanic, fluffy, Khaazar are people we should be looking at

edit: Khaazar looks clean from the writeup, and Romanic is a trooper

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 03:48

unvote, vote: autolycus

Earthling

07-21-2011, 03:52

Any townies that are listening at all, ought to lynch Roink. That's the best we'll get out of today, but at least it's not hurting the town. You don't need to reveal a single thing about yourselves or put yourselves in more danger, just quote my post here and lynch him for his annoying little ascension cult.

There are more kingdoms than I thought so no clue how many actual Kings there are. One could be a cover role if there are like 6 Kings, that's certainly true. And anyone who has information on the Law Speaker or the Usurper and more characters like that should speak up to help the town.

As for actual townie analysis of the votes and writeups, ATPG and Khazaar both look very townie, considering they didn't try to save themselves from a possible lynch and voted for a cult recruit instead. (It's funny that Renata, B_Ray, and Death is Yonder lynched khaan there though). Roink/Andres/WE are not to be overlooked though, get rid of some of Loki & crew and we'll either take them down with us or force them into something against the Jotun.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 03:55

Do you not understand that the cult and Loki and his group are two different entities?

Earthling

07-21-2011, 04:01

Whatever the case the true Norsemen in this town should man up and kill you. It'll force the rest of your lackeys to actually work against the Jotun and/or Loki, else the town will take you out with them (because the town needs to get some of the other sides fighting against each other, and no such thing will work against the Jotun, so they have to take you out).

One other observation on the countries now, as all of the men and even the cover roles of Gods/Jotun presumably are aligned with some country, even if they didn't know it, there would be some symmetry if there were seven countries and 5 people per country for; that would mean our usurper King is very likely present though.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 04:02

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Earthling

07-21-2011, 04:05

Because you appear to be the single largest threat to the town with the most obviously scummy behavior going back days. You should have died a while ago really, if folks like ATPG are town it's their own terrible play for overlooking it and giving you a free pass. Since nobody else seems like a guarantee of getting a non-town lynch right now, except Andres who could be bluffing and we'd rather get you first, that's the call.

Sometimes it just helps to have the perspective of an attentive, regular townie whenever possible, just from everyone's actions and votes here without worrying about other machinations, and you/Loki seem like the best threat to take on right now.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 04:07

Why are you so intent on killing me?
He loves you but can't show his feelings very well.:bounce:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 04:23

No disrespect Reenk, but your suspect list is lacking quality.

autolycus, 8 posts - easy target.
robbiecon, 5 posts - easy target.
Khazaar, 5 posts - easy target.
Fluffy, 14 posts - and always an easy target for his playing style.
Romanic - I can tell you are wrong.

So unless you settle for me, you will pick a lurker and I think it's a bad idea - We're not getting pwned by one of these. These guys are just pawns, and as Jotun, they're probably too afraid to say anything, risking to be caught. Someone else is following this game enough to make informed decisions. Sure, they can be Jotun, but is this who you really want to lynch today, given the current "losing" trend?

Better targets are Andres, TinCow, ATPG, if you're looking for a suspect with some meat around him.

Andres: He claimed Loki. Sure he was Town in Midgardsaga 2, but in this game he was out to kill Heimdall (I think) and Loki is also known to be evil, trickster. Call me crazy but I'm starting to believe Earthling's theory about Loki mind-controlling people to attack others.

TinCow: because he's Gyda, and even though he's a princess, it's odd that he's still alive after CH revealed him. His scan claim conveninently absolve Loki of any crime, for being inactive on Night 2. Also, if I read correctly, she's the reason we're on the verge of war. (ref, Post #2 - "This serf woman had told the exact words of Gyda’s decline: “Why should I marry someone as petty as you. Come back when you have conquered the whole of Norway”. "

ATPG: The information he had about Believer, Renata and perhaps B_Ray, make it possible that he's pulled these kills tonight.

Now, personally I don't know who I should vote for. I haven't been active as much as I wanted in this game, and I've recently realized that I've skimmed too much, after reading the word "Gyda" in the very first writeup, And when you talk of ascension, I'm not sure what you refer to, except somewhat recalling that you had to win a fight to get it. I thought it could be a joke, but I'm not sure anymore. All this to say that I'm confused about the game, and not quite my usual confident self when it comes to place a vote, so perhaps I'm totally wrong about the above suspects, and why they are suspects in the first place.

Feel free to enlighten me on

1) Why Loki isn't a good lynch.
2) Why TinCow, actually Gyda, isn't a good suspect.
3) What is ascension and why we should bother about it.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 04:25

Well, I hope ATPG comes online soon, this should be interesting. :drama3:

Far less interesting than you'd expect.

I have no defense, not going to offer one. You all can lynch my not-Jotun, not-guilty butt and I'm not going to say another word about it.

This is what happens when you all claim to me. That means I die after you guys die. That's all.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 04:31

Renata's death is the only one iffy when it comes to Atpg I think. I mean, why are you all surprised B_ray got owned? One of his first posts was making explicit how important to the town he was. :wall: Believer's death doesn't seem to be connected to Atpg, despite his FoS.

A lot is in Atpg's favor, and while there are still some things we want to know (EVERYONE he has been talking to, his claimed kingdom), I have a gut feeling that Atpg is a king, and the last thing we want to do is follow in the Aesir's footsteps and kill our important roles. This is EXACTLY why we needed new gods. Ascension is salvation.

If it will help, I will tell you exactly when each person claimed to me, and how many people who claimed to me are still alive.

My kingdom is obvious from the holmgang scene I was in.

I will die before revealing any roles. For the record, every person who claimed to me, whose role was inquired about by someone else, I obtained permission from that person to share the role or I told them to go ask said person themselves. Even claimed Kings who wanted to know about other Kings I didn't budge on, I told them to go ask.

I was not the leak. The leak was everywhere. Everyone who would not shut up about their role.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 04:42

I have slain my white whale.:laugh4:
Unvote:Pizzaguy Vote:autolycus

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 04:43

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 04:47

Too many lurkers are keeping to themselves for that to work....we need to lynch a few of them.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 04:49

Too many lurkers are keeping to themselves for that to work....we need to lynch a few of them.

More information will help. We've got, I figure 2-3 lynches left, too late to start poking lurkers, we've got to make them count.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 04:52

1) Why Loki isn't a good lynch.

He probably is. The question is whether Andres is a good lynch. Andres might not actually be Loki, or if the cult is separate might have a trick up his sleeve that we would yet see. If you could actually get people to follow along and not go crazy with other challenges, forcing Andres plus [second suspect] into Holmgang would be smart though.

2) Why TinCow, actually Gyda, isn't a good suspect.

Only his word to go on and the assumption the princess isn't evil. This is more likely the more we can confirm about the Usurper King, but that's going to strongly depend on a living player who knows the information being able to share it. However, it is true that the Jotun literally killed only pro-Town gods for a while. The Jotun might kill him tonight, they just didn't have time before.

3) What is ascension and why we should bother about it.

Some cult thing. They opposed the Aesir, at least. We have guaranteed, admitted cultists we could lynch here basically, but it's hard to say what their goals would actually accomplish if they followed through, if they were going to challenge the Jotun or Aesir or Loki or some combination of that.

I was not the leak. The leak was everywhere. Everyone who would not shut up about their role.

I'm not shutting up about my role and I died night one, but someone needs to at least try on the town's behalf here. :2thumbsup:

Look, if you're a townie just put aside suicidal brinkmanship tendencies and get an easy lynch on the cult today while we still have the votes. We won't get a Jotun today with that, true, but it's less of a risk and would spare yourself or other townies at least a little more time. As long as the town can keep at least one King alive and protected or something, they could outvote the Jotun so it's not over yet, but might be necessary to cut down on cult here.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 04:56

Look, if you're a townie just put aside suicidal brinkmanship tendencies and get an easy lynch on the cult today while we still have the votes. We won't get a Jotun today with that, true, but it's less of a risk and would spare yourself or other townies at least a little more time. As long as the town can keep at least one King alive and protected or something, they could outvote the Jotun so it's not over yet, but might be necessary to cut down on cult here.

Yes, real winning strategy here. Let's not bother with the Jotun, lets target a vaguely defined cult which may or may not be entirely made up.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 05:02

If it will help, I will tell you exactly when each person claimed to me, and how many people who claimed to me are still alive.

That would be helpful. The times more so than the alive (I think we got that).

I was not the leak. The leak was everywhere. Everyone who would not shut up about their role.

Yup, this is one of the main reasons I don't think it's you. Believer's death was bizzare, and B_ray's was coming. Renata's is still weird though. She was mum on things.

We know glyphz is a king and if you're a king, only one more king remains. Also Loki and Gyda are alive. So we likely only have 2 rounds to win this game... :laugh4:

The simple fact is, if we lynch Atpg we do risk killing a legit king. We could lose this game in one round then (3 kills has happened before).

If not, we are still likely boned, but who knows, maybe we hit Jotun with this lynch, Andres kills another Jotun, and we lynch the last one next round. It is technically possible to win if we leave Atpg alone and he's a king. It doesn't seem so likely it is if not... :sad:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:05

Alright, let's stop a minute. Tratorix saying the cult is "vaguely defined" is worrisome.

I searched this thread and the first result for the word "cult" was about 24 hours ago, by Earthling. And most, if not all, other posts reffering to a cult (beside Earthling's) could be taken as jokes.

No offense Earthling, but I'd like to hear someone else confirm this cult exists, unless you can personally explain how you know this, and/or give a detailed explanation why this cult really exists.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:05

If not, we are still likely boned, but who knows, maybe we hit Jotun with this lynch, Andres kills another Jotun, and we lynch the last one next round. It is technically possible to win if we leave Atpg alone and he's a king. It doesn't seem like it is if not..

Unvote: ATPG I'm almost hoping he is Jotun at this point, at least the idea of half the games kings revealing to a Jotun is kind of funny. Vote: abstain till I switch it sometime.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:08

If not, we are still likely boned, but who knows, maybe we hit Jotun with this lynch, Andres kills another Jotun, and we lynch the last one next round. It is technically possible to win if we leave Atpg alone and he's a king. It doesn't seem so likely it is if not... :sad:
So you acknowledge that Loki/Andres is killing people by manipulating them?

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:09

So you acknowledge that Loki/Andres is killing people by manipulating them?

He probably meant through Holmgang.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:12

He probably meant through Holmgang.
Let the man answer for himself. Who are you, his diplomatic attaché?

Earthling

07-21-2011, 05:14

all in the thread here:

They'd been calling themselves a cult in their norse font for a while. The discussion of Ascension and whatever they wanted to do to king Eirik is Days and Days old and that's in plain English. Also openly voting together against townies in past lynches is unexplainable if they are basic townies, and they certainly shouldn't be Kings/Champions. Then we have attempting to do Loki's bidding the last day, which simply can't be town.

Plus if you assume there are no other non-town parties then people like white_eyes should be lynched for declaring they are not town, as they must be Jotun, and it's not even worth joking about. (Unless people know in private that these people are Kings, but again really, and then that's still a terrible move). Also GH who died and lied about his role as town (or you could take it as an admission he wasn't town), wasn't a King or any town role like that.

In short, there are non-town people other than just Loki and the Jotun out there right now. Their actual goals and victory conditions, no clue, they could even leave the game after the Aesir and then Loki dies or something, could be anything. But for the town, nothing wrong with killing any of them, and it's also useful for the pressure.

tldr; there are non-town people other than just Loki and the Jotun out there right now.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 05:16

Well, that's boring. I was expecting to get at least some entertainment value out of this lynch. ATPG, if you tell us when people revealed to you and who. The only people who should be left out are any living kings. Getting down to the time when we have to lay our cards on the table if the town is gonna have a chance. I mean, were probably going to lose if we keep going the way we're going. :shrug:

Probably isn't the word you should be using. The way we are going, the game is over.

I haven't bothered pointing fingers because the only people I can point at as suspects now are the remaining kings and champions, because, as was my theory since day freaking one, I suspected ONE OF THEM was a Jotun.

I shared my theory, told people not to trust champions or kings. That's at least 12 proven pro-town roles in a game this size. And, as someone mentioned to me recently, there was a champion TINCOW who was evil in another Midgard game. So we were already aware this was a problem and a potential threat.

The champions and kings I spoke to all seemed to want to know about each other. The champions already knew their own kings, and were less valuable roles, so they stuck their necks out and talked to people. Later I found out some of those champions were actually the Kings, and vice-versa. So those people who were risky with their roles were the people who should not have been.

The gods, we know, claimed publicly in one form or another. B_Ray I even linked to as a reason why we shouldn't lynch him. I suggested I'd follow up on that or something. We almost did lynch him that day. Classical stuck his head out in a holmgang, took a risk and got exposed. And so on.

Believer contacted me early and I spoke to him early due to his silly theory that I killed Earthling. I explained all the reasons that was false. I also shared with him my theory about the Jotun infiltrator being a king or champion. I was inquiring to see who would say what about that theory. Basically nobody bought it.

So B claimed champion. I found out from someone who knew Khaan was a champion not to lynch him that day with B_Ray, then he got lynched on another day. Through that contact I was told that khaan was either a champion or a king, so I assumed he could be either.

I obviously know myself and my champion. (start)
I knew Believer, and through him, his champion. (Round one or two at the latest)
I know Khaan and his King. (Round two-ish)
I was scanned by classical_hero on N1, and so I knew him. I knew B_Ray and the other gods from public events. (Round one)
I knew all about Tincow as well due to the "her" thing and Tincow flinching in response to that. No Tincow I saw it, I was just kind enough to be quiet about it. (When that happened, forget which round)
I found out I think from classical_hero that someone else was a champion. Eventually, that champion's king claimed to me and confirmed that that person was a champion. This was only recently. That king was Renata. (Last round I think)
Believer and another "king" had been talking and claimed to each other. (Before last round)
Renata and another "king" had been talking and claimed to each other. (Last round)
DIY was murdered, I never knew about him.
Stuka we lynched.
Fairly certain I know who the remaining king and champion are due to deduction though I've had no direct contact with the king.
I learned about a certain god who is still alive through Believer's champion. I haven't contacted said God privately, though my inbox is always open. (Couple rounds ago)
Andres well he claimed publicly. I've no reason to specifically doubt his claim, although the remaining gods could have switched identities just to throw off the Jotun.

I am not a Jotun, and the only way you'll know that for sure is when I am dead I suppose. That is a bad lynch and today may be your last shot at saving the game. However, you do not have any good, serious leads that I can see, and if I were to make a suggestion that is on my mind it would probably just make things worse because it banks on the Kings/Champions having a Jotun among them theory.

I do not want to further contribute to this appalling performance. Although I am pretty sure blame for this turn of events does not rest on my shoulders, due to my role I was personally powerless to stop it, and I warned people about their private claiming to anyone besides me, including the gods and other kings/champs.

That said, public claiming was just as bad and people did that too, including myself, but that's only because of the Warman challenge that revealed me as something I could only claim to be a king or champion because I had no god role I could claim, no cover. Besides, at one point we did have a god doing protections.

As for what I think you should do today, I think you should realize that your game, such as it is, is over, with a single caveat. You absolutely must lynch a Jotun today. And I'll be honest, if it is the person I think it is, they played a winning game and you're done. Since even the gods seem to not have any idea what they're doing with their accusations, or they are following a goal which pertains only to them, I'd advise you to spin the wheel, pick a card, roll the dice, and lynch anyone.

Anyone.

King, champion, god, whoever. And just you pray that that person is a Jotun. Not all the townie power roles are going to be townies, kiddies.

I suppose you want me to pick someone. I'll tell you this much: I'm a better lynch than a king or a pro-town god. Who is a better lynch than me, I haven't a :daisy: clue and I'll admit it.

The person I want to make die is a claimed King. I don't trust them. But I'm also not going to point my finger at said person.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:17

Let the man answer for himself. Who are you, his diplomatic attaché?

My title is Administrative Assistant, thank you kindly.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:19

The norse font?! Bah Earthling. If they were a cult, why would they communicate in the game thread when they could do so privately?

Since you've translated these posts, I'll humor you and ask for their meaning, but I'm afraid that I might regret this.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 05:25

For the reason Roink isn't being overwhelmingly lynched right now - apparently some people decided he could do whatever he wants and never ever get into trouble. He could just claim it's a joke and you ignore it. The others just talk about hockey and vote exactly the same as him upon a whim, even that fake lynch on Believer (a town King) for no reason.

If you merely looked at the vote tallies alone and no other evidence, he is a scum who should be lynched, that's for sure. So again unless he's claimed King to people in private, no excuse for his huge voting block and power when the town is just about dead.

Here's all the posts I believe:

Reenk

the cult of reenk

**
Reenk

I absolutely hate the
fact that the wings
arent doing anything
major in the offseason
because it is qwuite clear
that the roster is
flawed

the cult of reenk

**
GH

yes it is probably the
final season for
lidstrom and he
deserves to go out
like a champion I am
surprised you guys did
not try and get jagr

**
Reenk
jagr comes off as the biggest
douchebag ever with his reasons for
choosing philly over detroit or
pittsburgh though namely that giroux
and friere are left handed
canters and he will thrive with
them as if datsyuk and zetterberg
or crosby and malkin are some kind
of scrubs

anyway white eyes youre from
winnipeg right how do you feel about
the fake jets back in town the real
ones still stuck in phoenix of
course

**

White eyes

death is yonder
is dead over yonder
town is down one king
what well this bring

the winnipeg thing

**
GH

in all honesty I wish we did not
have jagr as this offseason we
basically swapped richards carter
leino versteeg and carcillo for a
goalie and jagr and prospects

the prospects will be good but I fear
that by the time they are good
pronger will be too old

**
White eyes

I will follow reenkster
he is the voice of godhoof
beliver must die

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:27

LOL Earthling's evidence is literally just them chatting about hockey in Nordic runes! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, also, Reenk's right the Red Wings lineup is getting a bit thin on defense, also their goaltending is shaky. Better lynch me! :laugh4:

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:29

Earthling!!! They are talking about hockey!! :laugh4:

How can you turn this into a cult? :wall:

glyphz

07-21-2011, 05:29

glyphz what kingdom are you king of? I-I don't know what you are talking about! There's no king here:disguise:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:32

Earthling!!! They are talking about hockey!! :laugh4:

How can you turn this into a cult? :wall:

You've met leafs fans before, haven't you? :laugh4:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 05:32

Read his other posts. Exactly as I said. About 0.1% of the case against them has anything to do with the stupid norse font, except that Roink probably thought people would think he's joking about everything everywhere in any case.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 05:33

The person I want to make die is a claimed King. I don't trust them. But I'm also not going to point my finger at said person.So, glyphz is your suspect?

Romanic

07-21-2011, 05:34

You've met leafs fans before, haven't you? :laugh4:
Just a bunch of losers, not the fans, the Maple Leafs. :smug2:

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 05:37

So, glyphz is your suspect?

No, actually.

My suspect is the guy who was role fishing for Renata's role last night, and the one who spoke with Believer for most of the game, and laughed at me when I told him why I felt out of all the kings and champions, he was the right suspect.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 05:42

Diamondeye....We need to lynch him ASAP:yes:

Edit: Believer was a bit careless though....He PM'ed me to ask if I was soft-claiming. I told him it was nice of him to ask, but it had nothing to do with power roles. By PMing me, he could have given himself away, since its like saying to a Jotun "I am a Pro-town role please kill me"(I know if it was TinCow or GH they would have)...No harm done in my case.

Town was trying to network/share roles too much and it cost them badly....Me, Reenk, GH and Andres never even revealed our duel scores....let alone what side* we might be on.:shrug:

*Club 30 not withstanding:party:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:44

Vote: Diamondeye

My vote is officially for sale, 5 dollars or best offer.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 05:45

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 05:48

1. Yeah, probably. Got no idea which one it might be.

2. Serve us up a spectacular failure sundae, Pizzaguy. :wink:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 05:48

Kill Roink, or read his posts includings votes for multiple town Kings and power roles and general vague threats regarding Loki and the Aesir and come up with a coherent argument why he should not die sometime.

It's not worth killing a non-contradicted King today. Too much of a risk, unless it's something like a second person claiming to be the same King.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 05:56

It's clear that town is boned but we might as well take a Jotun with us.:bow:
Unvote:autolycus Vote:Diamondeye

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 05:57

Kill Roink, or read his posts includings votes for multiple town Kings and power roles and general vague threats regarding Loki and the Aesir and come up with a coherent argument why he should not die sometime.

I'm not lynching Reenk Roink. I gotta be honest, his and Andres' performances are the only thing keeping my interest in this from falling apart completely.

That and being able to toss insults at the Jotun before I die. That was extremely satisfying.

I hope Reenk is a cult leader, and I hope he wins. I hope his entire cult erects a monument on your grave which reads "Here lies Earthling. He was right!"

I sort of want to go out on an amusing note. We really can't take ourselves seriously after what just happened.

Tell you what Earthling. Pick anyone who isn't Reenk and I'll vote for them, just for you.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 05:59

If Diamondeye is the other claimed King you should lynch him now, I'll agree to that, but then you might as well say so. So tell everybody he's the one who was after Renata and Thor etc... and lynch him, and don't listen to any counter story he has (because the claims would be impossible to distinguish and he could lie about anything, up through a cover role PM of a King).

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 06:01

I sort of want to go out on an amusing note. We really can't take ourselves seriously after what just happened. Why does everyone feel such a need to network though? Pizzaguy, you must be in a philosophical mood...tell me why this is?:book:

glyphz

07-21-2011, 06:02

With B_Ray revealed to be an Aesir, and likelier than not that all the pro-town Aesir (classical, w&f, B_Ray) are gone, I have good reason to believe that Loki is behind the crazed killers. I can't think that there can be another god around.

And unless the killing of DeathIsYonder & Renata, and maybe even Believer's were all accidents (all related to the crazed killer), we should ask/plead/grovel him to have some caution about his night actions. Otherwise, we should probably rethink about our stance w/ him...

Earthling

07-21-2011, 06:04

A decent network is an extremely effective way for a town to win a game. The only possible counter in game design, barring something truly insane like a serial killer who kills people based on the number of PMs they have, is some mechanic that turns people who were once townies into non-townies.

A Network of even pure, basic townies can win through luck often enough. Plus, it's extremely susceptible to metagaming, because you can agree to never lynch or kill some other person or two and do that every game, regardless of what role you are, and usually survive farther and personally wield more influence.

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 06:05

Why does everyone feel such a need to network though? Pizzaguy, you must be in a philosophical mood...tell me why this is?:book:

They think getting together allows them to pool information, when it really just gathers them all in one convenient location for the mafia to kill.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 06:06

I heard from the PM grapevine Loki is Pro-town...but I don't really think so. Why jump on a sinking ship?:sweatdrop:

Tratorix

07-21-2011, 06:08

I heard from the PM grapevine Loki is Pro-town...but I don't really think so. Why jump on a sinking ship?:sweatdrop:

For the lulz? I've decided if ATPG, Reenk or Andres are Jotun, they can enjoy their win, cause I'm not voting for them.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 06:11

I do think Diamondeye will laugh that he's getting lynched because other people lied about why I said that yet other people were non-town roles.

You should vote for Diamondeye already pizza, if he's the supposed King/Champion infiltrator.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 06:15

You should vote for Diamondeye already pizza, if he's the supposed King/Champion infiltrator.

I'm not confirming that until I hear from everyone.

Although I should note that I tried to kill Diamondeye already this game with my vote.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 06:20

I have networked before(Capo3), but that was something that didn't come quickly....it was over 5-6 night/day phases before I had no more information to give to the network in Capo 3. The last bit of information I gave away was my mason buddy(Tratorix).:2thumbsup:

If ATPG would have screwed me over when I first revealed I was an "Incorruptible", town would have been handicapped BIG TIME. But at least, I didn't totally spill my guts right off the bat..."Loose lips sink ships" and all that. And me and Tratorix barely talked thru PM's just in case we would get double-crossed by the other.(Yes, I was that paranoid):laugh4:

Mafia players in general need to start being more careful on who they reveal what to...if you know that person is going to share it with everyone, don't tell them everything.:bow:

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 06:20

Why does everyone feel such a need to network though? Pizzaguy, you must be in a philosophical mood...tell me why this is?:book:

The general idea is to get "list of people I should not lynch".

The more people with access to that list, the worse it gets. And it should always be kept in mind that the list probably contains at least one Jotun.

But people want to have their own list, so they ask around and soon, everyone has a version of the list.

All that list does is prevent truly horrendous lynches, and even then only delays their deaths. The gamble is to spare a pro-town role and have a shot at a Jotun simultaneously. 'Fraid we kept shooting blanks, except at our own doodz.

Earthling

07-21-2011, 06:22

All it takes is for someone to read the summary thread for a couple minutes and look at the vote tallies. The connections between Diamondeye and Renata and Believer including their last vote against him are pretty evident.

Sure, you don't have to actually explain what you think Diamondeye's role is, just vote for him, you said you would after I named him.

Whatever you two are, even if both town, seeing you bicker it out while lots of remaining non-town sit back and laugh and the Jotun still probably win anyway should be funny, that's also true.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 06:32

I'll vote for Diamondeye.

Vote: Diamondeye

That said, I reserve the right to reverse this vote if a clear majority wants me to point finger at the guy I think is a Jotun/King.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 07:14

Romanic

07-21-2011, 07:24

No, actually.

My suspect is the guy who was role fishing for Renata's role last night, and the one who spoke with Believer for most of the game, and laughed at me when I told him why I felt out of all the kings and champions, he was the right suspect.
I feel there's a clue or two in here, that should help me figure who this player is, let's see...

He claimed King... Aha, surely an impostor!

Talked with Believer.... Hrm, Believer talks so much it could be anyone.. :laugh4:

Role fishing at Renata yesterday...

...

...

:inquisitive:

...

...

:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisit ive:

...

...

NOPE, I DUNNO WHO THIS GUY IS!!!!! :creep:

Sigurd

07-21-2011, 07:35

@Sigurd: Can you answer this please?

Are the death written in the same order than the kill list?

(if this is something we should be aware of)
Usually they are. I tried to put them in order. If they are not, it was unintentional.

thefluffyone93

07-21-2011, 07:46

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

...................................
Anyways, tis obvious that we have entered dire times indeed.
And so, Viking Warriors, I impart upon you some advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpnGLY&ob=av2e

oh, and Vote:Diamondeye

Sigurd

07-21-2011, 08:14

Sigurd, are the dead allowed to discuss their roles and information attained prior to death? I don't see anything in the OP addressing it.
If it is not addressed in the OP, then I guess it is not prohibited. :sneaky:

Death is yonder

07-21-2011, 09:00

If it is not addressed in the OP, then I guess it is not prohibited.

Wonderful! How opportune.

Probably isn't the word you should be using. The way we are going, the game is over.

I obviously know myself and my champion. (start)
I knew Believer, and through him, his champion. (Round one or two at the latest)
I know Khaan and his King. (Round two-ish)
I was scanned by classical_hero on N1, and so I knew him. I knew B_Ray and the other gods from public events. (Round one)
I knew all about Tincow as well due to the "her" thing and Tincow flinching in response to that. No Tincow I saw it, I was just kind enough to be quiet about it. (When that happened, forget which round)
I found out I think from classical_hero that someone else was a champion. Eventually, that champion's king claimed to me and confirmed that that person was a champion. This was only recently. That king was Renata. (Last round I think)
Believer and another "king" had been talking and claimed to each other. (Before last round)
Renata and another "king" had been talking and claimed to each other. (Last round)
DIY was murdered, I never knew about him.
Stuka we lynched.
Fairly certain I know who the remaining king and champion are due to deduction though I've had no direct contact with the king.
I learned about a certain god who is still alive through Believer's champion. I haven't contacted said God privately, though my inbox is always open. (Couple rounds ago)
Andres well he claimed publicly. I've no reason to specifically doubt his claim, although the remaining gods could have switched identities just to throw off the Jotun.

The person I want to make die is a claimed King. I don't trust them. But I'm also not going to point my finger at said person.

Do you have anything else to say ATPG? :angel:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

I suppose I know why Believer thinks ATPG should be lynched: He had a lot of information, and I guess Believer thinks he could have pulled this move, killing 2 kings and a power role, on the same night.

ATPG knew Renata's and Believer's identities, as per our private chats, but I'm still wondering if he would have played it this way. If he's Jotun, we're in trouble anyway, he knows too much.

Correction, 3 kings on two nights perhaps.

ATPG needs to reveal more and stop lying (/earthling :tongue:) or else he needs to be lynched.

Believer

07-21-2011, 11:17

No, actually.

My suspect is the guy who was role fishing for Renata's role last night, and the one who spoke with Believer for most of the game, and laughed at me when I told him why I felt out of all the kings and champions, he was the right suspect.

I played a horrible game and I apologize. If you're town I hope you can forgive me. You might aswell go for him/her if you feel that is our best shot.

Good luck.

TheLastDays

07-21-2011, 11:55

vote: Thefluffyone93

Khazaar

07-21-2011, 11:57

Allright. Vote: Diamoneye If ATPG is Jotun and all the Kings and Champions claimed to him than we deserve to die...

TinCow

07-21-2011, 13:09

Questions to everyone alive or dead:

Do you believe that one of the remaining kings or champions is a Jotun? (yes or no, indicate "king" or "champion")

Do you want to risk either a come from behind victory or put the cherry on top of a spectacular failure and accuse one of them?

Your responses will tell me what I should do.

Yes. I have not seen anything that would give any clues as to whether the cover role is King or Champion. Any answer I gave would be a complete guess.

If there's a good case against them. There's no point in doing anything at this point but going for the win. We absolutely must lynch a Jotun here, so we need to go for the strongest suspect possible.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 13:18

Diamondeye was inactive on a night where 2 Jotun were active. Which is the norm as far as I can tell. He can be Jotun aligned but he doesn't seem like he's doing the killing.

I'll kill you myself auto. :stare:

Also, anyone notice a striking resemblance between Earthling here and Atpg in GF3? :creep: LEAVE ME ALONE ~:mecry:

robbiecon

07-21-2011, 13:20

Questions to everyone alive or dead:

Do you believe that one of the remaining kings or champions is a Jotun? (yes or no, indicate "king" or "champion")

Do you want to risk either a come from behind victory or put the cherry on top of a spectacular failure and accuse one of them?

Your responses will tell me what I should do.

My belief is that one of the Kings is a Jotun. As for whether I think we should accuse one, I think it would be no harm, the only question is, who do we choose. I'm guessing you have knowledge as to who is a King (or a decent inclination by now). Throw your hat on a target, and I'll toss mine in too.

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:29

Why does everyone feel such a need to network though? Pizzaguy, you must be in a philosophical mood...tell me why this is?:book:

All three dead Aesir outed themselves in public, just saying.

And I'm not sure whether Believer's death might have been prevented by appropriate information in the right hands; I don't know exactly what happened there yet.

People network because it's fun, same reason people do anything else in these games. Smart or not has very little to do with it. You may as well ask why townies evaporate for days at a time, or utterly fail to act like townies, then wonder why they get lynched -- my own personal annoyance.

That said, I personally took far too many risks this game, though there's only one I'm really embarrassed about. I'd wager Reenk could describe that one.

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:31

And yes, I believe that it is very likely that a living king or champion is a Jotun. I could not guess which one. I could suspect at least four of you, for different reasons.

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:34

From Romanic --

Call me crazy but I'm starting to believe Earthling's theory about Loki mind-controlling people to attack others.

Say what you want about Earthling, he is extremely good with figuring out game setups and should never be ignored when he starts talking about things like this. I think he's very likely correct. But that doesn't make Loki a Jotun; it makes him something else.

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:38

No, actually.

My suspect is the guy who was role fishing for Renata's role last night, and the one who spoke with Believer for most of the game, and laughed at me when I told him why I felt out of all the kings and champions, he was the right suspect.

You do realize that there's no indication that Believer or I were killed by the agency of the Jotun, right? It may have no direct bearing on things (heck, for all I know the Jotun and the other killers are in league by now), but you can't use our deaths as evidence of anything. B_ray's is the one that matters.

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:44

Far less interesting than you'd expect.

I have no defense, not going to offer one. You all can lynch my not-Jotun, not-guilty butt and I'm not going to say another word about it.

This is what happens when you all claim to me. That means I die after you guys die. That's all.

I would like to see you discuss everyone who knew about b_ray. At least one of them you have no reason to protect right now.

I'd also like to know why TinCow is still alive. The Jotun have been busy with Aesir, but the other killers have not. What are their goals?

Renata

07-21-2011, 13:52

That would be helpful. The times more so than the alive (I think we got that).

Yup, this is one of the main reasons I don't think it's you. Believer's death was bizzare, and B_ray's was coming. Renata's is still weird though. She was mum on things.

Relatively speaking, yes -- I didn't reveal my role to ATPG until yesterday (given ATPG's suggested he will confirm these times, I guess it's OK to say). But you may be playing coy here on me?

We know glyphz is a king and if you're a king, only one more king remains. Also Loki and Gyda are alive. So we likely only have 2 rounds to win this game... :laugh4:

That's essentially correct. The last king could go undetected for a while, perhaps, but the odds are pretty much nil that all Jotun will be found out first.

Renata

07-21-2011, 14:05

The gods, we know, claimed publicly in one form or another. B_Ray I even linked to as a reason why we shouldn't lynch him. I suggested I'd follow up on that or something. We almost did lynch him that day.

I guess nobody even noticed that Believer was ALSO on the docket that day. At least I did one thing right this game. My vote change saved them both.

I was inquiring to see who would say what about that theory. Basically nobody bought it.

Hah. You should have spoken to me. We could have had a beautifully paranoia-filled chat.

I am not a Jotun, and the only way you'll know that for sure is when I am dead I suppose. That is a bad lynch and today may be your last shot at saving the game. However, you do not have any good, serious leads that I can see, and if I were to make a suggestion that is on my mind it would probably just make things worse because it banks on the Kings/Champions having a Jotun among them theory.

Explain why knowledge of b_ray's exact role is not a pre-requisite for the Jotun to have used two killers on him. You knew. The person who gave you his role PM knew. Who else, or why doesn't it matter?

Renata

07-21-2011, 14:11

White eyes will be the last Jotun to die due to his help.

Atpg has the fact that classical investigated him as a bit of an alibi, though Atpg claims that himself. Vote: Romanic Quote your role PM. Because you'll die either in the lynch or at night.

It's not much of an alibi, night zero inactivity. If you were AtPG and Jotun with two other guys, and acutely aware of how you get meta-gamed, which of you three would be active on night zero and which not?

I don't know why I'm arguing, really, I have no idea who the bad guys are.

Anyway, from the post previous to yours (doing this all out of order), TinCow also knew about b_ray: I had forgotten about b_ray's protection. But that's probably irrelevant, and ATPG knows why. He needs to discuss the person he got the role PM from.

Renata

07-21-2011, 14:20

4) And an aggravating factor against you about this game (you know what I'm talking about).

Actually I don't.

So, "if I was Town", the pressure made a lot of sense to me, call it a mistake if you want, but it's not in my opinion. Your claim should have helped us, since the alternative was me making a public case on you, which could have been far worse than just me knowing your identity. I gave you a choice, and you decided to reveal your identity. Now of course it looks bad since you are dead, but all I can say is that I have nothing to do with your death. Others knew about your identity so meh, it must be one of them, or perhaps a shot in the dark, though 2 kings and 1 Aesir dying implies otherwise. :shrug:

Depends on whether or not the Jotun and the other killers are collaborating. Since there's no way to know that, I can't be bothered thinking on it.

You're obviously receptive to the idea that b_ray's manner of death was meaningful, given there's no known connection of you yourself to b_ray's exact identity. Tell me what you think then about the idea that ATPG is refraining from discussing the person who gave him b_ray's role PM because he's concerned it will then come down to a choice of one of the two of them. That he is bringing up the "one of kings/champions is guilty" thing (although undoubtedly correct) as a way of getting in one more mislynch (and of a king/champion, bonus -- though it hardly matters) before that decision becomes an issue.

Tell me what you think, Romanic.

autolycus

07-21-2011, 14:20

I'm still betting on Gyda being scum. She seems awfully good with a sword, not just surviving but actually killing her attacker, who was a king, if I'm reading the write-up accurately, and she doesn't want her mission being interrupted. What's her mission. Could it be create conflict and chaos? Because that's what she seems to have done.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 14:46

I'm still betting on Gyda being scum. She seems awfully good with a sword, not just surviving but actually killing her attacker, who was a king, if I'm reading the write-up accurately,

You can thank my father for that ability. He trained his daughter well.

and she doesn't want her mission being interrupted. What's her mission. Could it be create conflict and chaos? Because that's what she seems to have done.

Find Jotun, avoid the guy who's trying to kill me. My weak feminine emotions have gotten the better of me and for some reason I feel bad that so many people are about to die because of me.

TheLastDays

07-21-2011, 15:01

Tell me what you think then about the idea that ATPG is refraining from discussing the person who gave him b_ray's role PM because he's concerned it will then come down to a choice of one of the two of them

I did.

At that point I was trying to figure out if I could trust B_Ray and I had been talking to ATPG already. If ATPG isn't scum I don't think I did any harm with it, I didn't talk to anyone else about B_Rays claims. If ATPG is scum I was just one of the players who willingly handed him the game...

Now I want to openly ask a question that I asked ATPG about B_Rays PM. He told me he protected me and TinCow the night that Arnvid Torarinsson was attacked and survived a night attack. That's why he asked me if I was Arnvid and I told him yes. But the truth is, I am not. Believer was Arnvid Torarinsson. So, how did Believer survive the attack that night, since he wasn't protected by B_Ray at all?

Also, if Andres/Loki is protown and he's the killer that does the crazed people why is he now responsible for the death of three kings?!

Renata

07-21-2011, 15:11

I doubt that Loki is protown -- if he is, he could clearly have used just a tad bit more of that townie networking that everyone's so down on. I just have a hard time seeing him as Jotun given the patterns in the writeups.

(This means nothing about Andres specifically, who could be a lying liar who lies.)

Believer probably survived due to being hopped up on Loki-juice.

TheLastDays

07-21-2011, 15:18

Why would he be on Loki-juice? I thought our current theory is that Loki sends the crazy killers. Why would he send a killer after Believer and then protect him?

Chaotix

07-21-2011, 15:37

Looks like we're pretty screwed.

Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye

Loki, if you really are the one giving everyone berserk potions, do me a favor and kill Romanic for us, too.

That said, I don't believe it's Loki doing this.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 15:46

Are the votes on Diamondeye because he's ATPG's suspect for the town leak? It seems like that's the reason, but I can't find any post where that's actually stated.

B-Wing

07-21-2011, 16:12

That's why he asked me if I was Arnvid and I told him yes. But the truth is, I am not.

:wall:

TinCow

07-21-2011, 16:32

Is TLD a champion or a king? Did any of the gods investigate him while he was alive?

Renata

07-21-2011, 16:53

Are the votes on Diamondeye because he's ATPG's suspect for the town leak? It seems like that's the reason, but I can't find any post where that's actually stated.

I don't think so. There seems to be no reason for them whatsoever.

Renata

07-21-2011, 16:56

Why would he be on Loki-juice? I thought our current theory is that Loki sends the crazy killers. Why would he send a killer after Believer and then protect him?

Believer was the crazy-killer (one of them anyway) last night. The working theory is that he was possessed in some fashion, though I guess it hasn't been entirely ruled out that he did it of his own volition. Secondary to that theory is that the possession made him stronger (strong enough to survive an attack by the other crazy-killer).

Which implies by the way that both are not controlled by the same person, though for all I know that's some sort of elaborate fakery, too.

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 17:11

All three dead Aesir outed themselves in public, just saying. And networking helped narrow down the suspect list. If D_E is a Jotun then, he was really handed a victory on a silver platter. I recall you and believer voting for D_E on day four? did you already suspect something of him?:book:

Renata

07-21-2011, 17:16

He was acting entirely scummalicious. I personally thought, probably too much so to be guilty. When he's actually scum, he tends to be more circumspect. I voted for him only because I could see him being an eternal distraction down the line; those posts of his were really horrible, easy-peasy lynch bait. I thought sooner would be better than later.

Believer

07-21-2011, 17:18

I would never harm anyone, I'm not mean enough.

TinCow

07-21-2011, 17:24

Vote: ATPG

I think we all agree the Jotun have someone inside the network. ATPG is inside the network. ATPG believes that a King or Champion is a Jotun. ATPG claims to be a King or a Champion. ATPG strongly believes that we need to lynch a specific King/Champion he suspects of being the leak and made a big deal about it. ATPG then votes for someone who is apparently not who he suspects of being the network leak. This seems pretty clear cut to me.

[edit]Also...

FOS: TLD

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 17:28

Really should have given that case back when we all were jumping on ATPG, TinCow.:no:

Now town might have shot itself in the head.:sweatdrop:

Renata

07-21-2011, 17:35

All of this discussion about other things aside, I'd probably be voting for white_eyes if I could vote today, out of sheer perversity. He'd kill Seamus and think it was funny, he's gloating all over the place today, and he challenged Nightbringer on the "theory" (obviously bogus) that we were both scum together. The real reason was obviously that Nightbringer gave an impression of being exactly what he was, a generic townie -- Nightbringer's reaction to Tratorix' PM made that completely obvious -- someone white_eyes could expect to defeat.

Secondarily, ATPG, on the suspicion that he is setting up this king for the fall, and that he would not have asked the townies' "permission" first if he himself were a townie. And because he knew about B-ray.

Thirdly, Romanic, for bashing me over the head with that forced reveal, and for being approximately 25 times as talkative today as previously -- when things are godawful for the town, look for depressed participation there. We get the opposite with Romanic.

Fourthly, Tratorix, because it would be lousy to have saved a Jotun for no reason.

Fifthly, Reenk.

Renata

07-21-2011, 17:36

Really should have given that case back when we all were jumping on ATPG, TinCow.:no:

Now town might have shot itself in the head.:sweatdrop:

Oh good lord, white_eyes, could you be any more obvious.

TheLastDays

07-21-2011, 17:42

:wall:

It was actually a mistake, man. When you asked me I honestly didn't remember my character's name and looked back at my role PM wherein the bolding is a bit weird, as in, my character's name is not bolded, only the name of my king, Arnvid Torarinsson, was bolded. I didn't look closely and told you I was Arnvid Torarinsson because I thought I was... Sorry... I messed up quite a few things in this game...

Is TLD a champion or a king? Did any of the gods investigate him while he was alive?

I'm a champion, since it has been stated several times and my king is already dead I see no need to hide it anymore.

I would never harm anyone, I'm not mean enough.

I didn't imply that. I am trying to figure out the mechanics of the crazed killers...

Renata

07-21-2011, 17:44

Come to think of it, TLD is up there somewhere also, for using false pretenses to get b_ray's role PM.

Edit: Say exactly how that went down with b_ray TLD. Who approached whom and how and etc.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 17:48

You're obviously receptive to the idea that b_ray's manner of death was meaningful, given there's no known connection of you yourself to b_ray's exact identity. Tell me what you think then about the idea that ATPG is refraining from discussing the person who gave him b_ray's role PM because he's concerned it will then come down to a choice of one of the two of them. That he is bringing up the "one of kings/champions is guilty" thing (although undoubtedly correct) as a way of getting in one more mislynch (and of a king/champion, bonus -- though it hardly matters) before that decision becomes an issue.

Tell me what you think, Romanic.
I don' t know what to think about ATPG, or the fact that he neglected to reveal who gave him B_Ray's identity. As you said, we have no way of knowing if your kill, and Believer's, are all Jotun related (probably not) so accusing him of killing 2 Kings and 1 Aesir last night is probably wrong. And that he would be behind B_Ray's death alone is also unclear, since others have mentioned that B_Ray outed himself somewhat in the thread (though I have not verified this, honestly).

Part of me wants really bad to accuse ATPG, but I find it's too easy, I have to fight the urge to.

Romanic

07-21-2011, 17:51

I'm a champion, since it has been stated several times and my king is already dead I see no need to hide it anymore.
Who was your King?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 17:54

Oh good lord, white_eyes, could you be any more obvious.
Is it so hard to believe, I am just having fun?:grin2:

If I am Jotun, so is Pizzaguy and Reenk....might as well throw on Andres to round it out. Town never stood a chance.:smoking:

TheLastDays

07-21-2011, 18:03

Who was your King?

Believer

TinCow

07-21-2011, 18:09

If I am Jotun, so is Pizzaguy and Reenk

Why? What is the connection between you?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 18:48

Why? What is the connection between you?
....Your all a bit too paranoid methinks.:laugh4:

I was humoring Renata.:grin2:

TinCow

07-21-2011, 18:56

....Your all a bit too paranoid methinks.:laugh4:

I was humoring Renata.:grin2:

Why aren't you concerned about who we lynch today?

White_eyes:D

07-21-2011, 19:36

Why aren't you concerned about who we lynch today?
You want to know if your personally going to die....and if I am the one who is going to carry it out?:grin2:

I guess I have been a LITTLE too happy since you were revealed by Andres....who may or may not have received some hints from a "certain network":eyebrows:

I figured I was going to die a long time ago, funny how that works out.:shrug:

Earthling

07-21-2011, 21:15

And that he would be behind B_Ray's death alone is also unclear, since others have mentioned that B_Ray outed himself somewhat in the thread (though I have not verified this, honestly).

I have, it was just as several people said that B_Ray said, "I'm important and have to live" openly and obviously. ATPG commented on it, Roink quoted B_Ray and asked the Jotun to kill him, that was all Days ago. Anyone as a Jotun could have figured that out, and they were already busy killing the other gods. The big break I think, because it wasn't obvious to a basic townie or reading the thread like me, is knowing that there were three town gods (Thor, Odin, and Heimdall) plus Loki, but the Jotun could have known that from the start anyway.

Renata is making a lot of sense and it's a really good point that other than B_Ray the other kills were not necessarily Jotun. And in short it's not a guarantee the Jotun didn't find out about B_Ray on their own too.

Lynch on Diamondeye is funny as anything though.

Renata

07-21-2011, 21:26

For once I agree with just about every word you say, Earthling. :thumbsup: :D

It could in fact be a house of cards about the Jotun using two to kill b-ray. I just *shrug*.

Epic townie fail from top to bottom. Maybe we get it all out of our collective systems this game? Maybe?

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 21:46

How much time do we have left, and what was the consensus on whether I reveal this "King" or not?

Diamondeye is not the person I was referring to and I made that clear in a post.

You do realize that lynching this person if you're wrong is worse than lynching me? Helping the Jotun slaughter a king isn't really how I want to end this game.

There's still two left after that so its not technically game ending, but it basically is if we're wrong.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 21:48

A tally would be great too if we're under time pressure.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 21:49

Diamondeye was inactive last night when there were 2 jotun active

Seriously, there are a lot better candidates than him at this point. Including misogynistic Gyda hatin autolycus DIE DIE DIE!

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 21:51

No I agree, I was just going with what a number of other people wanted.

There should be at least 3 Jotun in this game I think, so that's not proof of DE's innocence.

But, I agree that means our odds might be better on random chance if we lynch someone else. I am just wondering if I vote randomly or go for "King" who may not be King.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 21:53

Thirdly, Romanic, for bashing me over the head with that forced reveal, and for being approximately 25 times as talkative today as previously -- when things are godawful for the town, look for depressed participation there. We get the opposite with Romanic.

Well now the cat is out of the bag, kitten, if it wasn't before.

Unvote, vote: Romanic

He's dead anyway if he's a real king. If he is behind all this, I'd like to make him pay for it before we lose.

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 21:54

In my first non enlarged post about this I noted that it means nothing about his Jotunness, just that he's not killing.

However, at times like these, oversimplification is needed to spur people in action.

Just tell us the King, every body else's role is known at this point, except the Jotun. :shrug:

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 21:55

I know for certain that Romanic isn't the king because White eyes is the last king of Hordaland.

ROMANIC DIE DIE DIE

unvote, vote: Romanic

Reenk Roink

07-21-2011, 21:58

Honestly, Sigurd can you just make one of us a god to balance this game out? If I could just kill everyone except White_eyes and Tratorix we got this game in the bag easily.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2011, 22:00

Here's my case against Romanic. And I admit, it's not great, and it's mostly circumstantial.

1) He claimed King or Champion to me very early on in the game. He's also been known to myself and Believer since Khaan's death as Khaan's claimed king.
2) He was interested to know who was a god, asked me about B_Ray, he wanted to know who Renata was, asked me about her role. He continually tried to get me to claim who the other folks were. Said I could trust him since he's a King.
3) He has known for a long time that I'm not a King. That's one reason I think why I'm not dead, but I think it was fairly obvious to anyone paying attention that I'm not a King. Still you have to hope for an error.
4) He pressed hard for roles last night in particular, right before this all went down.

My King's identity should be very safe. I won't reveal if I've avoided talking about him, accused him, or whatever. It just could be anyone here and I don't believe I've revealed it to anyone, that I can recall. if any, I think maybe Classical.... not sure.

Since claiming King I asked TLD to assume the role of "my champion".

Basically, Romanic is at the center of the network, and it was obvious to anyone watching that no one in my network wanted him dead. He should have been killed off by now. But he wasn't supposed to be the center of the network. He was supposed to shut his mouth and keep his head down so I could protect him better.

Instead he connects himself obviously to me on numerous occasions and even today, basically admitted he was the one I was talking about. He does not seem to care if he's revealed or not.

Finally, the attitude he displayed in our chat. It had a mocking tone, an aggressive, careless tone. It felt like it was from someone who had already won the game.