Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

Ok. While we are all waiting for that damned Sea Dog Andres to show up and tell what he found out last night. I ,while completely unable of human interaction, combined with utter lack of sense and manors have something for a thought.

I was lead to understand that last night was about killing inactives. What was strange to me is that we have Ice, who was inactive the first day but was not attacked during the night, which seems rather strange. Maybe someone with brighter head then mine could explain, why is that?

[BSmith]

It appears that I have been robbed as well. I can only hope that this was not an activity sanctioned by our dear Capitan. We may be pirates, but we are supposed to be stealing gold from merchants and dirty Frenchmen, not from ourselves! When I find out who is responsible for stealing from me there will be hell to pay. Mark my words.

[Visor]

Ok. While we are all waiting for that damned Sea Dog Andres to show up and tell what he found out last night. I ,while completely unable of human interaction, combined with utter lack of sense and manors have something for a thought.

I was lead to understand that last night was about killing inactives. What was strange to me is that we have Ice, who was inactive the first day but was not attacked during the night, which seems rather strange. Maybe someone with brighter head then mine could explain, why is that?

Perhaps they didn't want to kill an old player returning so quickly?

[Kagemusha]

Nope BSmith. Was not sanctioned by me.

[Visor]

Kage, what did you do last night, and what did you tell people to do?

[Kagemusha]

I protected my treasure and i tried to set up protection groups. Ordered Andres to investigate myself and Double A and ordered Double A to blog you. Each player knows what i asked them to do. Did you try to kill someone last night and why that player?

[landlubber]

vote:mutiny.
Nothing personal, Kage. I'd just prefer a captain with whom I agree on the coordination of night actions.

[Kagemusha]

No problemo landlubber. I fully expect that the yesterdays opposition in the vote are todays mutineers. You lot seem like a well commanded bunch.

[johnhughthom]

Oi! I didn't vote for you, but don't agree with the mutiny.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATTENTION:

I believe that now is a good time to go over the mutiny mechanics.

First of all, and most importantly, a mutiny vote is in addition to the normal lynch vote, it does not replace it. If you're against a mutiny, simply do not vote for it and carry on as usual. The onus is on the mutineers to achieve a 50% +1 majority. If that majority is attained, then we will proceed directly to a new Captain election and they will also decide the fate of the person with the most votes. If that majority is not attained, then we will simply just have the regular lynch scene as usual.

Any questions, ask in this thread or PM me. :yes:

[Zack]

I'm not really sure Kage is acting any differently to how we'd expect a captain to, did we elect a captain or a "sit in his cabin, counting his gold, polishing his wooden leg, singing "la la la la la" honorary figurehead"? Because I want a captain. Not a figure. Head.
You expect the captain to take it upon himself to actively disrupt townie group actions1, prioritize stopping vig groups over stopping French from finding recruits2, and wants townies tied up in meaningless busywork3?

It's not how I expect a captain to act.

1Tried to set up protection groups against rumored vig targets and had Visor thrown in the brig. This is my biggest problem, and I would not have mutinied otherwise. He has not apologized or taken any steps to rectify the fact that he directly opposed townie night actions without sufficient reasoning.

2Blocked Visor because of suspected vigilantism, not because of suspected Frenchness. More concerned with stopping nightkills (which the French are demonstrably not participating in at this point) than stopping recruitment and eliminating the French (which can be accomplished through the vig groups).

3He wanted me and others to protect his officers, who already have innate protection and were extremely unlikely to be attacked. Asked people to steal gold from specific targets. Wants people to protect vig targets, resulting in 7+ players completely wasting their time.

Other:

- Micro-managing/control freak. Giving specific orders to every player in the game, even absurdly specific (not just "steal" but "steal from this particular player"). Demands everyone account for their actions to him, despite a lack of anything clearing him, while reluctant to disclose his own actions or plans.

- Power-obsessed. The first person he threw in the brig was the most vocal opponent to both his candidacy and time in office. Wants everyone to submit to him and his authority. Unwilling to work with people and act as anything less than a tyrant. On a minor note, his officers are the two people to vote him into the captaincy, showing a preference for the spoils system over meritocracy.

- Difficult. Ignores issues and concerns people have brought up, refuses to address them and condescends.

Individually, any of these is regrettable but ultimately acceptable in a captain (with the exception of point 1 about disrupting town actions). Taken together (http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-01-06), it's unacceptable.

[TheFlax]

I'm regretting my vote of support earlier...

Vote: Mutiny

[Zack]

Double A: Good alibi last night (even if it isn't the most helpful), been very level headed in our talks and discussion, hopefully scanned good by Andres. I've also played and hosted games with Double A as town recently and he is fitting the playstyle he has shown in those games.
Unless Andres' investigation turns up something naughty, I plan to vote Double A for the new captain. Both to show that I'm not opposed to Kagemusha because I voted for the other guy, but because of his actions taken as captain. I'm fine with Double A becoming captain and Andres becoming quartermaster, even though they're Kage's "people". The only request I make is that a new captain take on a mutineer as one of his officers, to demonstrate the same willingness to cooperate and work together.

[johnhughthom]

Double A? Pft. Just make sure to take that PirateStation 4 out of the captains cabin if you want anything to get done.

[Zack]

No response to 261? You think that is all expected of the captain?

[johnhughthom]

Having his officers protected seems fair enough, if slightly paranoid.

I don't know anything about the micro-managing control freakiness. I didn't receive any instructions, and I don't think any of the rest of my group did either, since our orders were decided early in the first day phase before Kage was elected.

Vig+Protect orders to keep people honest have been around for ages.

Someone who wanted a position of power is power obsessed? Go figure.

Kage is always difficult. :clown:

[Montmorency]

Kagemusha

Ice was in a protection group with me last night. I informed you of this.

[johnhughthom]

As for Visor, locking Australians in the brig is always a good policy.

[Zack]

Havimng his officers protected seems fair enough, if slightly paranoid.
It's a waste of resources that prioritizes protecting his position of power. No one was going to attack the officers, and they already have innate protection anyways.


I don't know anything about the micro-managing control freakiness. I didn't receive any instructions, and I don't think any of the rest of my group did either, since our orders were decided early in the first day phase before Kage was elected.
Anyone who didn't tell him their actions received orders to do something specific. It's not appropriate for someone uncleared to be taking such measures so early. And it's not fun.


Vig+Protect orders to keep people honest have been around for ages.
It's been used in Capo because you can still progress to more powerful roles that way, which is not the case in this game. Here it's just a waste of everyone's time.


Someone who wanted a position of power is power obsessed? Go figure.
Captaincy should be used as a tool to defeat the French, not merely as a position of power.


Kage is always difficult. :clown:
Then why elect him? :clown:

[Kagemusha]

@Kagemusha (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11472)

Ice was in a protection group with me last night. I informed you of this.

Yes. my memory is not what it used to be. Thanks for the clarification.

[johnhughthom]

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.


Then why elect him? :clown:

Ask someone who voted for him. :shrug:

[Zack]

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.
Huh? I haven't tried to recruit anyone to the mutiny in private.

[johnhughthom]

I don't mean you, you've hardly tried to appear reluctant! :laugh4:

[Zack]

I don't mean you, you've hardly tried to appear reluctant! :laugh4:
Well, I did not initially plan to mutiny today, despite my frustrations. I was willing to let Kage redeem himself, but that obviously didn't happen.

[Ituralde]

There be the matter of the lynchin our good host mentioned. Mutiny aside someone will have to walk the plank tonight. Anyone be havin oppinions in that?

What of the vigilante groups that failed. Maybe ATPG or spaceman do be French scum and one of their partners do want to protect them by foiling the vigilante group?

[Montmorency]

Both Pizza and Spaceman were in protection groups. One is alive because the officers blocked Visorslash.

[landlubber]

Personally though, I find it difficult to get behind a movement where a player acts like they are reluctantly taking part in thread, then tries to recruit me in private with clear in depth knowledge of who is behind it.

Let's clear this up then.
Yeah, I contacted you in private. I dispute that I appear reluctant-- I didn't vote for Kage as captain, and I refused to be marshaled by him last night when he realized there was a bloc of people who were planning independently of him. I know where my loyalties are, and they were never with him.
We're building a new world, Johnny-boy. Come along.

[Golden1Knight]

Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

Yarrr.

[Kagemusha]

Well, I did not initially plan to mutiny today, despite my frustrations. I was willing to let Kage redeem himself, but that obviously didn't happen.

I can understand the yesterdays opposition working together towards united goal, but your reaction i have hard time understanding. I had no other single reaction like yours yesterday. While im a fossil and completely outdated in my methods.Please tell me how could i have redeemed myself?

[Montmorency]

Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

It seems strange that so many people were robbed last night.

[El Barto]

I'll just be a-sayin' that ye lot wha complain aboot yonder Cap'n's steal orders should also lynch Andres wha was handin' out them orders.

As for Visor, locking Australians in the brig is always a good policy.
No' until they've beat the English next week.

Curses! I want my gold back, served with a dish of revenge, miserable thief. May your beard fall, and never grow again!

Yarrr.
Ye was robbed las' night?

[Andres]

The Captain was guarding his gold.

Double A put someone in jail.

[El Barto]

The Captain was guarding his gold.
Decent piratin' tactic with all these robbers about.

Double A put someone in jail.
Tha' I object tae.

[Andres]

Whoever finds they got robbed a bit too much last night can turn themselves to Golden Hands.

For the right price*, we are willing to protect your gold.

*The highest bidders' gold will be protected. We don't protect your gold for less than 3 gold.

[Andres]

Tha' I object tae.

For our slow understanders: he blocked someone.

[Andres]

Kage has proven imprudent, his First Mate obscure. If this body is not capable of guiding the ship, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a vote of no confidence in Captain Kagemusha's leadership.

Vote: Mutiny

Vote : Montmorency

A bit too eager to put yer own man in place, Frenchie.

[El Barto]

Fer oor slow understanders: I ken tha', savvy? But I be already a-promised tha' I be only postin' in character in anythin' relating tae this game.

And fer ye, Andres, I be statin' tha'I object ta visorslashie's being roleblocked.

[Andres]

This is unbelievable. You still refuse to even acknowledge any of my concerns. You are endangering the town cause, and I've waited long enough for you to change your tune. We need a new captain.

Vote: Mutiny

Jeez, ye're boring.

What is this "town cause" ye're talkin' about.

You try too hard to sound like some sort o' priest.

We're pirates.

I say we lynch that boring Montmorency and vig you tonight. Let the real pirates run the show, says I.

[Andres]

Fer oor slow understanders: I ken tha', savvy? But I be already a-promised tha' I be only postin' in character in anythin' relating tae this game.

And fer ye, Andres, I be statin' tha'I object ta visorslashie's being roleblocked.

Ye're right. He should be robbed off his gold next night.

Yarr!

[Kagemusha]

Me thinks Andres is on the money. Now if Monty was protecting Visor with spaceman and Ice. How come spaceman was attacked by Visors mutineers, while Ice who has not posted once was assigned to pair with Monty. Freeing Monty for something else with a shady alibi.Aye?

[Andres]

Just so you know: Golden Hands can always use an extra pair of hands.

If Gold is your thing, just contact your First and Also Best Mate.

We have our Captain to guide us, so why would you bother with boring organisations when you can earn GOLD while he takes care of the infiltrants!

[Montmorency]

Vote: Andres

[Andres]

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Piles%20of%20gold_zpsrrbjgwgo.jpg

[Andres]

Vote: Andres

Excellent, a vote without reasoning.

Perhaps add something à la "He will cause chaos and that's not townsmanslike".

As if Law and Order is the Pirate way of doing things :snobby:

[Kagemusha]

Aarr, now the Frenchie and his soon to be crew wants us both old mate! What better thing then waltz to the Sea and join the good ole Flying Dutch until the end of times!!

[Montmorency]

That's obviously filthy French cheese.


Excellent, a vote without reasoning.

You have already provided all the reasoning through your actions and inactions.

[Kagemusha]

That's obviously filthy French cheese.

You know your cheeses?

[El Barto]

Ye're right. He should be robbed off his gold next night.

Yarr!
Why should do that, yarrr?

Aarr, now the Frenchie and his soon to be crew wants us both old mate! What better thing then waltz to the Sea and join the good ole Flying Dutch until the end of times!!
What be ye sayin'? Dutchmen be no' flying, 'cept when the Duke fo Alba be shootin' cannon an' powder to 'em.

[Andres]

Ye been stolen from?

What treachery.

What is treacherous about trying to get your hands on some unprotected gold?

However, for the paranoid among you, Golden Hands offer their services to protect your hard earned gold.

[El Barto]

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Piles%20of%20gold_zpsrrbjgwgo.jpg
Tha' be the thing. If the Captain an' his second in command makes us lose treasure by havin' people steal from us, then why should we be keepin' them two alive?

[Kagemusha]

What be ye sayin'? Dutchmen be no' flying, 'cept when the Duke fo Alba be shootin' cannon an' powder to 'em.

This one is flying under and over the waves as it pleases. Never sailing port, while the Rum never endssss..

[Andres]

That's obviously filthy French cheese.



You have already provided all the reasoning through your actions and inactions.

By showing that I follow the Pirate Way?

As opposed to you boring military types with orders and organisations.

[Andres]

Tha' be the thing. If the Captain an' his second in command makes us lose treasure by havin' people steal from us, then why should we be keepin' them two alive?

:laugh4:

I'm going to pay ye 1 gold for that post, ye funny seadog.

[Kagemusha]

Why loose, when one can gain? One can become a monk and give all away, or a pirate and have it all...Is there a decision there somewhere?

[El Barto]

Nae sic thin' as an end tae rum!

This would appear ta be the present tally, if anyone be enough o' a scurvy cur ta be misrepresented here or na' represented at all, then let hisself be heard from.


El Barto: Sprig
Montmorency: Andres
Andres: Montmorency

Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax

Why be nae one o' ye scurvy curs votin'?

[El Barto]

:laugh4:

I'm going to pay ye 1 gold for that post, ye funny seadog.
Arrr, mighty thankfully I be acceptin'.

Why loose, when one can gain? One can become a monk and give all away, or a pirate and have it all...Is there a decision there somewhere?
O' course a decision! Free man or slave o' the Popish! Free Nederlander or slave to Valois and Habsburg? Freedooooommmm!

[Kagemusha]

Apparently Monty has no defense, nor explanation. Any man worth his salt should toss that Frenchie to the waves.

[El Barto]

We be asea, lad. Salt ain't rare enough ta be worth much here. It be worth that much on land, exemplee grattia France.

[Kagemusha]

You been drinking sea water old mate? Salt is what preserves and is most valuable at Sea and Sea itself is salty and what is more valuable then Sea?

[El Barto]

More valuable than sea? Doubloons, o' course. What be more valuable than treasure?

[Kagemusha]

So if a Papist tells ya. El Barto you old fool. Here is sack of coin. Now till the field. You value that more then raiding the open Sea?

[El Barto]

For Flanders, I be never followin' Popish instructions again. But hae ye ne'er heard o' brigandage? It be like piracy asea, bu' without gettin' seasick.

[Kagemusha]

Sure sounds strange. When ever i go to port.The land seems to waltz under mi feet, but when at Sea with my rum. I feel steady as a mast. Strange place that land is.

[El Barto]

Tha' be one more reason fer no' trustin' ye as a captain: ye be no' a good raider once we gets to a fort or village, man.

[Kagemusha]

Yes. Im sure the Frenchies now that sort lot better then i. You also get a bright uniform and haircut..Pffttt..Me says! Better stay where is good to be.

[El Barto]

Arrr, let's no' be hasty. Nae haircuts fer me fram croissant-eaters.

[Sprig]

By showing that I follow the Pirate Way?

As opposed to you boring military types with orders and organisations.

"Order and Organisations? Nay, we all follow the code, the pirate code! *Squawk*"

Squawky Jim was incensed. He couldn't quite believe what he was hearing. Outside threats being ignored and encouragement of stabbing each other in the back. Jim shook his head. 'Madness.' he thought..

"I paid my dues, proved my worth many times overs whether at sea or on land. Orders and organisations are second nature to me. But it was clear when I signed on for this gig that while we may plunder and make gold where we may, but bot against our fellow crew, Men that we have fought side by side with... This is a black mark against your honour. *Squawk*"

"I can't abide by a Captain and First mate that sanction and encourage stealing against our own. I vote:Mutiny. I also Unvote :El Barto; Vote: Andres. *squawk*"

[NotJimRV]

Successful or not?

It was not.

Vote: Mutiny

Let's get some support for new leadership going then. Naturally I'll have a little bit of self-interest, but Kage appeared to me a little bit too kage-y earlier for my tastes. (One another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet was how close the vote was yesterday. As it is in politics, perhaps it should be from someone who doesn't want the bloody thing.)

Dunno who to vote for. It's hard to get a read on people when you don't know anyone :<

[Choxorn]

Carry on with the mutiny.

As you wish.

Vote: Mutiny

[GeneralHankerchief]

Once again, to reiterate:

If you are voting Mutiny, you must also vote for someone to lynch. The two options are *not* mutually exclusive.

[autolycus]

You expect the captain to take it upon himself to actively disrupt townie group actions1, prioritize stopping vig groups over stopping French from finding recruits2, and wants townies tied up in meaningless busywork3?

It's not how I expect a captain to act.

1Tried to set up protection groups against rumored vig targets and had Visor thrown in the brig. This is my biggest problem, and I would not have mutinied otherwise. He has not apologized or taken any steps to rectify the fact that he directly opposed townie night actions without sufficient reasoning.

2Blocked Visor because of suspected vigilantism, not because of suspected Frenchness. More concerned with stopping nightkills (which the French are demonstrably not participating in at this point) than stopping recruitment and eliminating the French (which can be accomplished through the vig groups).

3He wanted me and others to protect his officers, who already have innate protection and were extremely unlikely to be attacked. Asked people to steal gold from specific targets. Wants people to protect vig targets, resulting in 7+ players completely wasting their time.

Other:

- Micro-managing/control freak. Giving specific orders to every player in the game, even absurdly specific (not just "steal" but "steal from this particular player"). Demands everyone account for their actions to him, despite a lack of anything clearing him, while reluctant to disclose his own actions or plans.

- Power-obsessed. The first person he threw in the brig was the most vocal opponent to both his candidacy and time in office. Wants everyone to submit to him and his authority. Unwilling to work with people and act as anything less than a tyrant. On a minor note, his officers are the two people to vote him into the captaincy, showing a preference for the spoils system over meritocracy.

- Difficult. Ignores issues and concerns people have brought up, refuses to address them and condescends.

Individually, any of these is regrettable but ultimately acceptable in a captain (with the exception of point 1 about disrupting town actions). Taken together (http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-01-06), it's unacceptable.


Methinks, vote:zack must be french. Footnotes are not the way of the true seafarer!

[Zack]

vote: autolycus I guess

[El Barto]

"Order and Organisations? Nay, we all follow the code, the pirate code! *Squawk*"

Squawky Jim was incensed. He couldn't quite believe what he was hearing. Outside threats being ignored and encouragement of stabbing each other in the back. Jim shook his head. 'Madness.' he thought..

"I paid my dues, proved my worth many times overs whether at sea or on land. Orders and organisations are second nature to me. But it was clear when I signed on for this gig that while we may plunder and make gold where we may, but bot against our fellow crew, Men that we have fought side by side with... This is a black mark against your honour. *Squawk*"

"I can't abide by a Captain and First mate that sanction and encourage stealing against our own. I vote:Mutiny. I also Unvote :El Barto; Vote: Andres. *squawk*"
I thank ye wiv all me heart fer castin' away yer vote fram me, an' next time please use yer own voice instead o' yonder parrots.

It was not.

Vote: Mutiny

Let's get some support for new leadership going then. Naturally I'll have a little bit of self-interest, but Kage appeared to me a little bit too kage-y earlier for my tastes. (One another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet was how close the vote was yesterday. As it is in politics, perhaps it should be from someone who doesn't want the bloody thing.)

Dunno who to vote for. It's hard to get a read on people when you don't know anyone :<
As I keeps telling ye, if an' when ye votes fer Kagemusha ye is ta vote fer hsi second-in-command, lest vengeance be a-comin'.

Methinks, vote:zack must be french. Footnotes are not the way of the true seafarer!

vote: autolycus I guess
Arrr, me lord, he sucketh!

[landlubber]

Methinks, vote:zack must be french. Footnotes are not the way of the true seafarer!

What's up with this?

[El Barto]

An attempt not ta simply blunder oor way into a bandwaggon-lynch, landlubber-me-lad.

This appears ta be the tally o' lynch-votes.


Andres: Montmorency; Sprig
Montmorency: Andres
Zack: autolycus
autolycus: Zack

Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax; NotJimRV; Choxorn

Mutiny vote still ain't there yet. What saddens me the most be tha' there be almost nae discussion on that lynch there.

[autolycus]

I thought I'd hit post on this hours ago, but since I apparently didn't, vote:Mutiny

[BSmith]

"I can't abide by a Captain and First mate that sanction and encourage stealing against our own. I vote:Mutiny. I also Unvote :El Barto; Vote: Andres. *squawk*"

Aye, this be how I feel about things as well. vote: Andres and vote: Mutiny.

[Visor]

12 Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax; NotJimRV; Choxorn, Sprig, Autolycus, BSmith

[El Barto]

Aye, I missed the parrot's vote. Tha' be 12 out o'… how many required?

[Visor]

14 be required.

[spaceman98]

Kagemusha

Ice was in a protection group with me last night. I informed you of this.

I can confirm this, as I was in the same protection group.


It seems strange that so many people were robbed last night.

Not really. Stealing is available to everyone, and seems to be the default action of the selfish townie or scum. That, + the French didn't kill, so they were doing something else. Stealing being a possibility.


The Captain was guarding his gold.

Double A put someone in jail.


Wait, I thought you had an allignment scan? Or does your investigation only reveal people's actions?



What is treacherous about trying to get your hands on some unprotected gold?

However, for the paranoid among you, Golden Hands offer their services to protect your hard earned gold.

Stealling distracts from scumhunting sowes inter-town conflict. The same, incidently, is true of racketeering, which is basically what your doing with this whole "Golden Hands" thing. Ordering people to steal, and then demanding money in exchange for protection.

I've also receieved confirmation that Kage has been ordering people to steal, which has no effect, except to sow discord amongst townies and waste people's time. Basically Kage is ordering people to do anti-town things

vote: Mutiny and vote: Anders


Nae sic thin' as an end tae rum!

This would appear ta be the present tally, if anyone be enough o' a scurvy cur ta be misrepresented here or na' represented at all, then let hisself be heard from.


El Barto: Sprig
Montmorency: Andres
Andres: Montmorency

Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax

Why be nae one o' ye scurvy curs votin'?

Telling other people to vote, but not voting for anyone yourself? unvote: Anders. vote El Barto

Why can't I lynch both of you?


It was not.

Vote: Mutiny

Let's get some support for new leadership going then. Naturally I'll have a little bit of self-interest, but Kage appeared to me a little bit too kage-y earlier for my tastes. (One another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet was how close the vote was yesterday. As it is in politics, perhaps it should be from someone who doesn't want the bloody thing.)

Dunno who to vote for. It's hard to get a read on people when you don't know anyone :<

Being part of a failed vig group (or a sucessful one, for that matter) is no alibi, and Visor, you should know this


Methinks, vote:zack must be french. Footnotes are not the way of the true seafarer!

WTF is up with this post? Your ignoring all the discussion in thread and casting a trivial vote


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general information:



An attempt not ta simply blunder oor way into a bandwaggon-lynch, landlubber-me-lad.

This appears ta be the tally o' lynch-votes.


Andres: Montmorency; Sprig
Montmorency: Andres
Zack: autolycus
autolycus: Zack

Mutiny: Zack; Visorslash; Lissa; Ishmael; Montmorency; landlubber; TheFlax; NotJimRV; Choxorn

Mutiny vote still ain't there yet. What saddens me the most be tha' there be almost nae discussion on that lynch there.



there are 27 people on the ship. The Mutiny needs 14 votes to suceed.

It currently has 10 without my vote, and 11 with it.

[spaceman98]

Oh wow I missed a couple of mutiny votes. We're at 13/14

[El Barto]

Wiv yours'n, it be 13. I be voting whatever Curio votes.

[Zack]

Something I feel has been glossed over - protecting and stealing/guarding treasure is not as definitive an alibi as killing. A vigkill details in the public update how many people in that group performed the action, so people in the group are held accountable for going through with it. Hell, in the last game at least one Spanish person in a vig group killed a teammate because they couldn't risk not going through with it.

[El Barto]

vote: Mutiny
lynch: Andres

[Double A]

Not totally on board the whole being made captain thing because imma do a terrible job at coordinating any sort of network. Also I'd have to be the deciding vote in the mutiny as of right now and that's not righteous.

Spacey, Kage, why are you guys so against random vigging? Marauding bands have a small chance of killing a scum, tis true, but protection rings have an even smaller chance of picking a good target. Furthermore, the Frenchman and Maveneers have a 0% chance of killing one of their own. If we want to win the night, we have to remember any%>0% in terms of killing off our foe.

[Visor]

that be 14 votes for a mutiny

[Double A]

welp ninja'd by Tak

[Zack]

Not really. Stealing is available to everyone, and seems to be the default action of the selfish townie or scum. That, + the French didn't kill, so they were doing something else. Stealing being a possibility.
Seems unlikely to me. Finding and recruiting potential converts and infiltrating townie groups is what the French are going to be doing at night. Stealing is a waste of time for them. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they claim to be stealing, it was a popular Spanish lie last game.


Wait, I thought you had an allignment scan? Or does your investigation only reveal people's actions?
I actually checked the last game and the first scan was in fact a track. Additional scans needed for more in-depth results.


Stealling distracts from scumhunting sowes inter-town conflict. The same, incidently, is true of racketeering, which is basically what your doing with this whole "Golden Hands" thing. Ordering people to steal, and then demanding money in exchange for protection.

I've also receieved confirmation that Kage has been ordering people to steal, which has no effect, except to sow discord amongst townies and waste people's time. Basically Kage is ordering people to do anti-town things

vote: Mutiny and vote: Anders
Despite what I said above, I agree that stealing isn't super helpful.


Being part of a failed vig group (or a sucessful one, for that matter) is no alibi, and Visor, you should know this
Yes it is - the update lists three people attacked x, and Visor was thrown in the brig. This confirms that the other three people did in fact try to kill x.

[El Barto]

Why be ye mentionin' ninjas in a pirate thread, Doubloon-A?

[Double A]

because you're a loser

[El Barto]

I be votin' fer you as cap'n once Kagemusha be dead, then fer a mutiny next day ta earn us some other 10 doubloons, an' yer skull cleft by me cutlass pers'nlly if possible.

[Double A]

Don't ye mean katana, ye fujilubber?

[Visor]

I'll vote Andres as well.

[El Barto]

Tha' be IT!!! Someone hol' him afore I kill 'im!

[Double A]

In addition, at any point in the day phase you may vote to mutiny. You may do this by adding in a Vote: Mutiny in with your normal vote. If over 50% of living players vote to mutiny, the Captain is lynched along with whoever has the most votes, and instead of proceeding to night, a new Captain selection process follows. If the vote is tied, the status quo remains.

Should you decide you don’t want to mutiny, you may simply write in Unvote: Mutiny at any time in the day phase. There are no official consequences for participating in a failed mutiny, but the Captain will almost surely remember those who were not loyal to him. A successful mutiny results in large amounts of treasure gained for all those who voted for the mutiny.
obligatory vote: mutiny

I suppose vote: spaceman for being against semi-random vigging of inactives.

[El Barto]

Thee beest a coward, Double A.

[El Barto]

As yellow-livered an' white-faced as a Vatican flag ye be, Double A. Hang ye I shall, afore long.

[spaceman98]

Not totally on board the whole being made captain thing because imma do a terrible job at coordinating any sort of network. Also I'd have to be the deciding vote in the mutiny as of right now and that's not righteous.

Spacey, Kage, why are you guys so against random vigging? Marauding bands have a small chance of killing a scum, tis true, but protection rings have an even smaller chance of picking a good target. Furthermore, the Frenchman and Maveneers have a 0% chance of killing one of their own. If we want to win the night, we have to remember any%>0% in terms of killing off our foe.

Well, protection rings can prevent the French from killing.

Also, who are the Maveneers and why do you think they exist?


Seems unlikely to me. Finding and recruiting potential converts and infiltrating townie groups is what the French are going to be doing at night. Stealing is a waste of time for them. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they claim to be stealing, it was a popular Spanish lie last game.


I actually checked the last game and the first scan was in fact a track. Additional scans needed for more in-depth results.


Despite what I said above, I agree that stealing isn't super helpful.


Yes it is - the update lists three people attacked x, and Visor was thrown in the brig. This confirms that the other three people did in fact try to kill x.

Sure, but it says nothing about their allignment, unless we also know the allignment of x. If x is town, then it still says nothing about their allignment

[El Barto]

Also, who are the Maveneers and why do you think they exist?
They be the Frenchmen's crew fram one o' his friends' ships, called The Maven. Be savvy, wise up, read yonder OP posted by muckle Hankerchief! They be a three-man cheese-eating surrender team o' scumbags. Cat-o'-nine-tails fer them.

[Double A]

Well, protection rings can prevent the French from killing.

Also, who are the Maveneers and why do you think they exist?
In the OP story fluff, the Frenchman hired a couple of crewmen from the Maven, the Presence's rival ship.


Thee beest a coward, Double A.
What pirate isn't a yellow-bellied dog at heart?

That's not rhetorical, by the way. The answer is a barnacle-scrubbing ninja such as yerself.

[Double A]

also spaceman confirmed for wifom
unvote
vote: El Ninjo

[El Barto]

An' noo ye be castin' invalid votes, ye swine! Ye should be made ta walk the plank along wiv the Cap'n an' his First Mate.

[Ishmael]

vote: Andres

Partly for the gold for voting, and partly so we can have a clean slate with regards to the previous leadership team (no offence Double A, but it seems that the captain and first mate were the most involved in directing the crew, by all accounts). This saves us from second guessing who was behind the decisions made in the three days until Kage's alignment is revealed.

[Double A]

An' noo ye be castin' invalid votes, ye swine! Ye should be made ta walk the plank along wiv the Cap'n an' his First Mate.

I don't really support either dying. I'm pretty confident Andres is town, based on his single-minded pursuit of gold. I don't know what to think of Kage, but I'd rather get over with this drama and continue on with purging the ship of our rivals. Has this sham provided anyone with a lead? I'm honestly curious to know.

If people want to elect me captain, I have to participate in the mutiny, which had already succeeded when you put your black headband in the ring. If someone jumps off the wagon, I will too. I'd rather be captain than see potentially a scum gain the position. However, if everyone would rather have notjim than me, I'd be okay with that because he seems pretty alright.

[El Barto]

…partly so we can have a clean slate with regards to the previous leadership team (no offence Double A, but it seems that the captain and first mate were the most involved in directing the crew, by all accounts)…
He were playin' video games, mate.

I don't really support either dying. I'm pretty confident Andres is town, based on his single-minded pursuit of gold. I don't know what to think of Kage, but I'd rather get over with this drama and continue on with purging the ship of our rivals. Has this sham provided anyone with a lead? I'm honestly curious to know.

If people want to elect me captain, I have to participate in the mutiny, which had already succeeded when you put your black headband in the ring. If someone jumps off the wagon, I will too. I'd rather be captain than see potentially a scum gain the position. However, if everyone would rather have notjim than me, I'd be okay with that because he seems pretty alright.
Well, I be one who does na' want ye as captain, or on any livin' position at all.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If people want to elect me captain, I have to participate in the mutiny

You actually don't. Only mutineers get a say in the next Captain election, but they can pick anyone - mutineer or not.

[Double A]

oh sweet
unmutiny

[El Barto]

:stare:

[Visor]

We've already hit the cap however. So you're cheating yourself from gold at this point.

[Double A]

:stare:
:rolleyes:

We've already hit the cap however. So you're cheating yourself from gold at this point.
I dunno, I still got principles. GH will I get bonus money for ignoring my principles in pursuit of money?

[Zack]

We've already hit the cap however. So you're cheating yourself from gold at this point.
:quiet:

[Xiahou]

We've already hit the cap however. So you're cheating yourself from gold at this point.
Wait, dog-piling an already decided mutiny vote gets me money?
Vote:mutiny


Let's clear this up then.
Yeah, I contacted you in private. I dispute that I appear reluctant-- I didn't vote for Kage as captain, and I refused to be marshaled by him last night when he realized there was a bloc of people who were planning independently of him. I know where my loyalties are, and they were never with him.
We're building a new world, Johnny-boy. Come along.
This just seems incredibly French. He protests too much.
Vote: landlubber

[Kagemusha]

Ya! This was nothing unexpected. I will return to you bloody lot closer before i get to leave this bloody world. Goodday Ya all!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wait, dog-piling an already decided mutiny vote gets me money?

Yeah, probably going to patch this one after this round. Keeping it the way it is for now though, wouldn't be fair otherwise.

[Double A]

Right, I'll take that as a yes.
vote: vodka mutini

[landlubber]

This just seems incredibly French. He protests too much.
Vote: landlubber

Not following this line of reasoning. Unless you think that the mutiny is French (which you surely don't), me opposing Kage doesn't mean I'm French.

Anyway, vote:autolycus. Pinged me earlier, and I'm not really loving the Andres lynch.

[Ituralde]

There be change in the air then.

Vote: Mutiny

Killing.off the First Mate for good measure sound good but I not be convinced he is French. Also this will loose us any additional info from his investegatin.

Shouldn't he be kept on to finish looking into DoubleA? Second time s the charm, right? That do be how the scanning worked last time?

[Kagemusha]

Come on now. Everyone with bit of sense, vote for mutiny, so you will get some gold. No point wasting me death like that.

[Zack]

Come on now. Everyone with bit of sense, vote for mutiny, so you will get some gold. No point wasting me death like that.

Can the captain vote for a mutiny?

[Kagemusha]

Can the captain vote for a mutiny?

I cant vote. I could have done something during night, that no captain after me can, but it could have messed up your future wearing bright French uniforms. So lets leave it to that.

[Zack]

No point holding back now.

[Zack]

Also sorry if post 370 sounded mean-spirited. I didn't mean it that way, only as a joke in response to you saying everyone should mutiny at this point, but I now realize it might seem like unnecessary salt in the wound.

[Kagemusha]

No point telling it either. Let me concentrate on me flask of rum and not waste me time with such trivial things as rambling to mutineers.

[Choxorn]

Vote: Andres

[Zack]

No point telling it either. Let me concentrate on me flask of rum and not waste me time with such trivial things as rambling to mutineers.

Lame!

[Ituralde]

It be nothing personal. It be about the gold! You pay me, I elect you. Your money be up for grabs , I mutiny.

[spaceman98]

Wait, dog-piling an already decided mutiny vote gets me money?
Vote:mutiny


This just seems incredibly French. He protests too much.
Vote: landlubber

Your on my suspect list, after El Barto and Andres and Kage. You voted Andres the captaincy last time, avoiding taking a position on either of the two leading candidates (NotJim and Kage) https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053658983&highlight=#post2053658983 and your making this throwaway statement this time.

[Andres]

FoS : all of you votin me.

The idea is to lynch Frenchies not pirates who don't want to walk in line.

Racketeering? Extortion? Guilty as charged. But that doesn't make one French. It only disrupts network in a game design es by the host in such a way that networking wont lead to victory.

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[Xiahou]

Your on my suspect list, after El Barto and Andres and Kage. You voted Andres the captaincy last time, avoiding taking a position on either of the two leading candidates (NotJim and Kage) https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053658983&highlight=#post2053658983 and your making this throwaway statement this time.I didn't support either for captain- so I voted for neither. Not voting isn't an option, so I voted my conscience. A frenchie would want to stay hidden in the pack- not vote as an outlier.

Landlubber seems to be taking the three bears approach and it's just oh so French seeming to me. Active, but not too active. Defensive, but not too defensive, ect. He, Choxorn, and you, with your non-defense defense of landlubber, are currently the most suspicious in my mind.

I think lynching Andres at this point is a mistake. He's too attention seeking to be a french spy.... or perhaps just very clever.

[Ituralde]

Let's be practical about it.

There was 28 of us starting last night.
There were three vigilantee groups: One four man group, two three man groups. That's 10 people accounted for.
Then there be Andres investigatin: 11 people accounted for.
There be DoubleA blocking Visorslash: 13 people accounted for.
Kagemusha did nothing as catpain: 14 people accounted for.
Then there be protection groups: I know of two so far: 20 people accounted for.
Two people were stolen from, so there be two robbers: 22 people accounted for.

The remaining six, one or two of them be Frenchies for sure. There be no french kill last night, means they were a-recruitin - the first step being to check for susceptibility.
Maybe even three of them French, but then one of them be havin part in a group to avoid suspicion.

So I be wantin to vote for one of those six, not for Andres. The best would be the one botchin up the vigilante group, but I do not know who that be.

But you have to start somewhere, also there be gold in voting. Vote: Lissa

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Mutiny

Not a huge fan of this, but I'm out for number 1 here.

Vote: Landlubber


I need to do a reread of the thread for tomorrow, but for now, I like Xiahou's line of thinking, for whatever it's worth.

[Ironside]

Vote: Mutiny

For the gold mostly. The major drive against him does give a day 1 organisation impression.

Vote:Zack. That justification is way overthinking it (clear example of putting the justification after the intention) and there's some odd statements here and there. 7+ people locked down in a visible order is wasting townie time, like we have anything else to do except stealing. Now someone with more important orders might find it more wasteful.

[Ituralde]

There be some tallyin:

Mutiny: 19 (Ye know who you be)

Lynchin:
Andres: 7 (Montmorency, Sprig, BSmith, Visorslash, El Barto, Choxorn, Ishmael)
landlubber: 3 (Xiahou, autolycus, sereikhaan)
Zack: 1 (Ironside)
autolycus: 1 (Zack)
El Barto: 1 (spaceman98)
Lissa: 1 (Ituralde)
Montmorency: 1 (Andres)

Hopefully this be correct, if not just count yerself!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: Mutiny

I'm admittedly not completely sold on this - but we are too far gone on this path for anything I can say to change this today.

Vote: landlubber

I think Andres is simply playing his own game: money, seems his object. I'm sure that there is something else at stake for him, but I do not think he is French.

More to follow later...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Landlubber

I just think that lynching Andres is silly, but whatever.

I got nothing against landlubber but Andres makes me chuckle.

Mutineers against the Captain have failed to convince me he was French, and they don't really need my help. Kagemusha was one of the few friendly souls I've spoken to so far.

He maybe needed to heed my warning more, but I had nothing against him.

*raises grog*

To Captain Kage, may he find peace.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't support either for captain- so I voted for neither. Not voting isn't an option, so I voted my conscience. A frenchie would want to stay hidden in the pack- not vote as an outlier.

Landlubber seems to be taking the three bears approach and it's just oh so French seeming to me. Active, but not too active. Defensive, but not too defensive, ect. He, Choxorn, and you, with your non-defense defense of landlubber, are currently the most suspicious in my mind.

I think lynching Andres at this point is a mistake. He's too attention seeking to be a french spy.... or perhaps just very clever.


^

This guy should be the Captain, or at the very least, listened to.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: landlubber

[NotJimRV]

Sorry laddies, been only able to look at the thread now and about to head to bed soon.

vote: lissa because i honestly forgot she was playing

[Kagemusha]

Ok you lot. Now that the day is dimming. Il tell you what i think before i get to leave you and this bloody ship for good.

You bunch, dont have to look further then to Monty, Ice and spaceman and possibly Visor. There you have your frenchies, apart of course the wannabees waiting to be converted.

Monty set up a hoax protection group for Visor and put Ice there so he could hide his inactive scum buddy. The attack against spaceman was never meant to succeed as it was also one man short on purpose. Me thinks Visor is either part of the same frenchie gang, or wannabe as he allowed Ice to be hidden in the protection group and did not attack him, like the other inactive TFT. There you have it. There are your enemies, at least for those who are not sorry enough to want to serve them.

Ive said my piece and now im ready to leave this misery. At least i will end my days as pirate and not a slave to Frenchmen.

There. Be done with it.

[Visor]

If that hypothesis is true Kage, then your team is Monty, Ice, Spaceman and possibly Lissa.

[Kagemusha]

If that hypothesis is true Kage, then your team is Monty, Ice, Spaceman and possibly Lissa.

Im no Frenchie, which you will find out nor want to be one. Unlike you.

[Montmorency]

Ok you lot. Now that the day is dimming. Il tell you what i think before i get to leave you and this bloody ship for good.

You bunch, dont have to look further then to Monty, Ice and spaceman and possibly Visor. There you have your frenchies, apart of course the wannabees waiting to be converted.

Monty set up a hoax protection group for Visor and put Ice there so he could hide his inactive scum buddy. The attack against spaceman was never meant to succeed as it was also one man short on purpose. Me thinks Visor is either part of the same frenchie gang, or wannabe as he allowed Ice to be hidden in the protection group and did not attack him, like the other inactive TFT. There you have it. There are your enemies, at least for those who are not sorry enough to want to serve them.

Ive said my piece and now im ready to leave this misery. At least i will end my days as pirate and not a slave to Frenchmen.

There. Be done with it.

:laugh4:

Now, to all those defending Andres: there's no indication that he has scanned anyone yet, which is gross misuse of his office.

The only possibilities are that he is negligent townie, fronting Frenchman, or undetermined third-party. Eliminate him and be done with it.

[Kagemusha]

Well Monty, where is your buddy Ice to claim his gold? Visor you still have yet to tell who were you attacking last night? Do amuse soon to be dead pirate you two, or did cat caught your tongue?

[Visor]

Well Monty, where is your buddy Ice to claim his gold? Visor you still have yet to tell who were you attacking last night? Do amuse soon to be dead pirate you two, or did cat caught your tongue?

I technically just claimed it above.

I was not on the spaceman attack. I wanted the TFT attack to succeed so I specifically put myself off it and onto someone who I highly doubted the kill would succeed on.

[Kagemusha]

I technically just claimed it above.

I was not on the spaceman attack.

Well then who you targeted? I dont care for ya technicalities.

[Visor]

Well then who you targeted? I dont care for ya technicalities.

I targeted ATPG. The others with me can confirm.

[Kagemusha]

Ok. Fine enough. Thank you for enlightening poor old Kage and see ya in hell! :P

[Double A]

Let's be practical about it.

There was 28 of us starting last night.
There were three vigilantee groups: One four man group, two three man groups. That's 10 people accounted for.
Then there be Andres investigatin: 11 people accounted for.
There be DoubleA blocking Visorslash: 13 people accounted for.
Kagemusha did nothing as catpain: 14 people accounted for.
Then there be protection groups: I know of two so far: 20 people accounted for.
Two people were stolen from, so there be two robbers: 22 people accounted for.

The remaining six, one or two of them be Frenchies for sure. There be no french kill last night, means they were a-recruitin - the first step being to check for susceptibility.
Maybe even three of them French, but then one of them be havin part in a group to avoid suspicion.

So I be wantin to vote for one of those six, not for Andres. The best would be the one botchin up the vigilante group, but I do not know who that be.

But you have to start somewhere, also there be gold in voting. Vote: Lissa

They were probably scanning for recruits. Blindly recruiting is an incredibly risky strategy at this point.

Here's my godfather role from last game so expect something similar to this but probably stronger.

Your role is:

Spanish Special Officer

“Those who’ll play with cats must expect to be scratched.”
~ Miguel de Cervantes

For over a century, Spain’s empire in the New World has been preyed on by the other European colonial powers and the scum of the earth men they hired to carry out their work for them. In a word, they were successful at this. As Spain faced problems at home, New Spain rotted from the inside. Things have changed in the last several decades, though. With peace finally achieved in Europe, government-sanctioned privateers became a thing of the past, leaving the only real threat in the Caribbean being the pirates.

In response, the Guardacosta was formed, proving to be a far more effective method of combatting piracy than anything the Spanish had tried before. You, a proud man of Spain willing to do anything to serve his country, have risen through the ranks and now command two men designed for more… undercover operations.

The three of you were stationed on the Treasure Fleet to make sure that everything in the process went smoothly. Things were going fine until the Presence struck. In the confusion of the boarding, you and your lieutenants managed to slip aboard. Your goal now is to eliminate every last one of these miserable scumbags and return the treasure to its rightful owner: His Majesty King Philip V of Spain.

Your goal: You are an incorruptible man of Spain (more than can be said for many in the Guardacosta) and thus treasure is not a motivational factor for you at all. Your singular mission is to eliminate or subordinate every single non-Spanish affiliated person aboard the ship. You must survive with one original Guardacosta agent.

Your Lieutenants in helping you accomplish this task are Jolt and Makrell.

Powers: Every night, you may accomplish one of the following tasks:
- Investigate two persons a night to determine susceptibility to Letters of Marque. This is a unique power available only to you.
- Team up with a fellow Guardacosta agent to kill one person a night. However, if you are the only agent left, you may kill solo.
- Go out individually and offer a Letter of Marque to one person. If your target is susceptible to Letters of Marque, they will join your team and become a Guardacosta Convert. If your target is NOT susceptible, then you stand a chance of being discovered.
- Participate in town group activities (including protection).

You may NOT Abandon Ship under any circumstances. To do so is unthinkable to an honorable man of Spain such as yourself.

Additionally, your officer training has served you well. The first time you are attacked in the first three nights, you will (probably) fend your attackers off regardless of numbers. However, sea life eventually takes its toll, and starting the fourth night you will lose this ability.

Lastly, before you took this mission, your superior officer mentioned that a particular Frenchman of some nobility was aboard the Treasure Fleet, apparently heading home. You lost track of him in the confusion but will still keep your eye out for him. You do not mention this to your Lieutenants as they as this information is below their pay grade and frankly, you don’t entirely trust them. Good luck!

Base gold: 110

[Visor]

Ok. Fine enough. Thank you for enlightening poor old Kage and see ya in hell! :P

Save a seat for me. :laugh4:

[Ituralde]

Thanks Double A for the information. That be what I was expectin.

Also to give our Captain one last thing to do:
Unvote: Lissa
Vote: landlubber

This be the tally now:
Andres: 7 (Montmorency, Sprig, BSmith, Visorslash, El Barto, Choxorn, Ishmael)
landlubber: 7 (Xiahou, autolycus, sereikhaan, Gaius, Askthepizzaguy, johnhughthom, Ituralde)
Zack: 1 (Ironside)
autolycus: 1 (Zack)
El Barto: 1 (spaceman98)
Lissa: 1 (NotJimRV)
Montmorency: 1 (Andres)

[Ironside]

They were probably scanning for recruits. Blindly recruiting is an incredibly risky strategy at this point.

Here's my godfather role from last game so expect something similar to this but probably stronger.


So unless the scanning abilities has changed, we can assume that the vig groups contain at least one Maven guy? Since there were no French killings this night, they had to be busy with something else.

[Visor]

So unless the scanning abilities has changed, we can assume that the vig groups contain at least one Maven guy? Since there were no French killings this night, they had to be busy with something else.

By rand you'd find at least one. I have no doubt there is probably at least one in there.

But they could also be out converting

The individual actions often take backseat to the team actions I find

[TheFlax]

Vote: Spaceman98

[Montmorency]

Vote: Spaceman98

FOS

[autolycus]

Thanks Double A for the information. That be what I was expectin.

Also to give our Captain one last thing to do:
Unvote: Lissa
Vote: landlubber

This be the tally now:
Andres: 7 (Montmorency, Sprig, BSmith, Visorslash, El Barto, Choxorn, Ishmael)
landlubber: 7 (Xiahou, autolycus, sereikhaan, Gaius, Askthepizzaguy, johnhughthom, Ituralde)
Zack: 1 (Ironside)
autolycus: 1 (Zack)
El Barto: 1 (spaceman98)
Lissa: 1 (NotJimRV)
Montmorency: 1 (Andres)

I'm pretty sure I'm still on Zack, so we don't have a tie yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like Andres and the fun he will be on this voyage.

Anyone want to switch off of him?

[Visor]

Not onto landlubber.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not onto landlubber.

Who, then?

[Visor]

I'm happy enough for Andres - at the moment. Perhaps Ironside?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah. I just reviewed his posts. I could swing that way.

There's nothing particularly staggeringly guilty about his posts but he feels like he's playing it safe.

I like to live dangerously.

Unvote: Landlubber

Vote: Ironside

[Visor]

Vote: Ironside

I will shift back to Andres if necessary.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I gotta run. Do the right thing and keep the guy who is acting most like an actual pirate alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You going to unvote, Visor?

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: Ironside

Right.

[Montmorency]

There are two hours remaining. Andres (and likely Csargo) will appear to add a vote on Landlubber.

Don't be fooled - there are no alternatives to Andres and landlubber at the moment.

Andres must die.

[Lissa]

vote: andres

What he be doin' with stealin' be rather worrisome.

Not sure about Ironside. I don't like his Zack vote.

[Double A]

I'd rather vote: Ironside than landlubber.

[Visor]

Lissa, I'm assuming you're relatively up to date on whats been happening, yes?

[Lissa]

Lissa, I'm assuming you're relatively up to date on whats been happening, yes?

Ya, I'm read up.

[Visor]

Thoughts?

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Ironside As much as I dislike stealin, I will agree that we are pirates after all and stealin comes naturally. I would just hope that we can save our plunderin habits for dirty Frenchmen or wealthy merchants. Stealin amongst ourselves will only lead to division and death.

[Lissa]

Zack looks like town. So do Pizza and Montmorency.

That's probably sort of useless.

I'm not fond of Autolycus's Zack vote.

[Visor]

vote andres

Not staying up for eod.

[Montmorency]

Andres: 7
Landlubber: 5
Ironside: 3

One more vote on Andres to clinch.

[Montmorency]

Also, you didn't unvote again.

[spaceman98]

unvote: vote: Anders

The landlubber wagon is bad, as is the Ironside one frankly

[Double A]

Give Anders a break. Is blood magic really so wrong?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Give Anders a break. Is blood magic really so wrong?

I was waiting for somebody to make that reference. :laugh4:

-edit- also he wasn't a blood mage, just a terrorist.

[TheFlax]

Yeah. I just reviewed his posts. I could swing that way.

There's nothing particularly staggeringly guilty about his posts but he feels like he's playing it safe.

I like to live dangerously.

Unvote: Landlubber

Vote: Ironside

I've got nothing better to do myself...

Unvote, Vote: Ironside

[Kagemusha]

Andres ole mate. Weve had a good run,stealing and pillaging, enough for many life times. Lets join the crew of Dutchman together. There we will be at home.

When crews think more highly of landlubbers then Company men and poor excuses of pirates despise stealing. Our days are long gone and never to return.

[Andres]

Unvote; Vote: landlubber

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[Montmorency]

BURN HIM :evil:

[Kagemusha]

BURN HIM :evil:

You aint pirate. Have some respect you smelly Frenchie.

[Golden1Knight]

vote: mutiny
vote: andres

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 2

The tale of Kagemusha, "The Fearsome Finn" as he was sometimes known, was an interesting one. Born in a fishing village on the coast of the Gulf of Finland, a little southwest of Helsinki, Kage felt a natural affinity towards the sea from a very early age. He liked nothing more than going to the docks and gazing out the horizon, wondering what lay beyond. When he was of an age to do so, he signed up for whatever ship crew he could, quickly becoming adept at a number of sailing tasks and features.

When Russia invaded and occupied Swedish Finland in the isoviha as part of the Great Northern War, Kage, seeing the oppression and atrocities that his countrymen were experiencing, decided to strike back the only way he knew how: he took to piracy, quickly acquiring a crew and doing his very best to plunder and disrupt Russian trade interests in that area. He acquired his nickname during this period, a direct result of him singlehandedly storming a small Russian fort along the coast, blowing it up, and taking the time to arrange the ashes into the pattern of a nude woman and rude insults directed at the occupiers afterwards.

Eventually, the situation in Finland became too dangerous and untenable for him to stay, and if Kage was being honest, he had had enough tragedy in his life. So, bidding goodbye to his crewmates, he set forth to the New World, where slates were wiped clean and opportunity was limitless. It took him nearly a year, but eventually Kage arrived in the Lesser Antilles. His skillset being what it was, he quickly joined up on a crew of a merchantman shipping goods back and forth from minor islands to the port of Barbados, but this proved to be unsatisfying. After all, engaging in partisan warfare and piracy to protect your homeland was slightly more than just one step up from being a boring trader. And so, for the second time in his life, Kage turned pirate.

Sadly, Kage was about fifty years too late - the Presence's exploits aside, piracy was clearly on the downswing in the New World as navies cracked down. His new ship's Captain was brave, but not much else, and the crew was quickly hunted down and defeated in battle by the Spanish Guardacosta. The crewmen who didn't die were left to rot in a Havana prison, awaiting execution.

Kage was going to have none of that - the devil, after all, would have an eternity to deal with him, but he wasn't ready to meet him yet. That night, as he was being delivered last rites, Kage subdued his priest, stole his clothes, and escaped, getting out of what what was previously considered to be an impregnable fortress. After robbing a villa on the outskirts of the city, Kage decided to head north, to join a pirate crew that had a track record of success. And so, Kage made his way to Nassau and joined the Presence.

The rest was history. He acquitted himself well, made friends among the crew, and took his share in the Presence's many adventures. Finally, during the retreat from New Tortuga, Kage saw his chance: the previous Captain had been left behind in the flight! Kage saw his opportunity to attain the pinnacle of pirate-dom. He would become Captain of the single most successful ship left!

It was to last all of one day. The election was extremely closely contested, and those who did not vote for Kage made it clear that they were displeased by this turn of events. Kage, the old survivor, who pretty much only had to rely on his skills at war and combat up to this point so far, now found himself in an unfamiliar position: he had to use diplomacy.

In the end, it was simply too late to teach an old dog new tricks. The loudest sailors banged the drum of mutiny early, they started politicking and making promises to get more people on board, and pretty soon more than three quarters of the entire crew was out for their newly-elected Captain's blood, apparently dissatisfied with his performance over a span of less than 24 hours to the point where they were going to commit the single-worst and dishonorable of all piratical actions, damning all of their souls to the deepest and coldest layer of Hell.

Some of the mutineers were more apologetic than others, clearly just in it for their own share of Kage's treasure. Kage gave his blessing to others, notably when Quartermaster Double A, looking conflicted, joined the vote. At the end of the day, Kage was at peace with the result. His final thoughts as he was being slashed mercilessly and unceremoniously dumped into the ocean were of large-breasted women, beer, and home.


This vacancy in the Captaincy left some administrative duties to be taken care of. Some of the initial mutineers looked more and more aghast as the day went on and more and more people piled on the bandwagon, meaning that their share of Kage's loot would be less and less.

"Right lads," said one of the mutineers, after having emerged from the cabin with a moderately-sized bag, "It looks like Kage's share of the treasure comes out to 108 gold. Now, what was the final count for mutiny again?"

"Twenty-one sailors out of twenty-eight souls aboard, meaning that each of us gets... 5 gold apiece. It not be a perfect division, so the first three to vote for the mutiny get the leftover pieces. In this case, this be Zack, Visorslash, and Lissa."

Everybody groaned. After all the effort and heartache that had been expended over the past several hours, this was the fruits of their labor? A mere five gold, six for three of them? Some were starting to wonder if this is worth it.

"Anyway, might as well resolve this sooner rather than later. The Presence needs a new Captain, so let's make it happen before we go to sleep tonight! The six sailors who not be supportin' this mutiny can't vote in this, but should we mutineers want them to take the tiller, that be fine."

"Wait!" one of them said. "What about Andres?" In the confusion of the mutiny, he had received the most votes for execution that day.

"Ah, right... well, no sense in further killin' in case we really want to, I guess. Let's decide his fate at the same time we're voting!" Everybody nodded at this, new scraps of parchment were brought out, and the second election for Captain of the Presence in as many days begun.

OOC: We are still in Day 2. Only those listed under voting for Mutiny are allowed to participate in this election. They will be deciding two things:

First of all, the new Captain. The voting procedure is the same as it was the previous day:

Elect: GeneralHankerchief

Unelect: GeneralHankerchief
Elect: Beskar

Furthermore, the mutineers will also be deciding Andres's fate. You have two choices here:

Vote: Kill
or
Vote: Spare

No treasure will be awarded for taking part in this vote, it is purely an administrative one.

Day 2 tally:
Andres: 8 (Montmorency, Sprig, spaceman98, El Barto, Lissa, Ishmael, Choxorn, Golden1Knight)
landlubber: 6 (Xiahou, seireikhaan, Gaius Scribonius Curio, johnhughthom, Ituralde, Andres)
Ironside: 4 (Askthepizaguy, Visorslash*, BSmith, TheFlax)
Zack: 2 (autolycus, Ironside)
autolycus: 2 (Zack, landlubber)
El Barto: 1 (Double A*)
Lissa: 1 (NotJimRV)

Abstained: 1 (Kagemusha)
Didn't vote: 2 (Csargo, Ice)

Mutiny: 21 (Zack, Visorslash, Lissa, Ishmael, Montmorency, landlubber, TheFlax, Sprig, NotJimRV, Choxorn, autolycus, BSmith, spaceman98, El Barto, Xiahou, Double A, Ituralde, seireikhaan, Ironside, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Golden1Knight)
Not eligible to vote in this election: 5 (johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, Ice, Csargo, Andres)

Voting will last until Wednesday, September 30th, at 14:00 US Eastern Time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Update: The asterisks by Double A's and Visorslash's names in the tally indicate that they made a vote without unvoting; this is invalid and thus their initial votes are listed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no vote, but if you value my opinion, Andres is someone we'll want around.

I'm not talking about his position on board, just his character.

Feel free to investigate or kill me tonight if you would.

I am not affiliated with Andres in any manner other than a shared love of piracy.

You can also look at him whenever, instead, if you prefer. I'm sticking my neck out for someone simply because they bring the proper Pirate enthusiasm to this voyage.

[Golden1Knight]

It is quite possible that Andres has stolen from one of his fellow pirates, maybe even from me, but I think the shock of almost being lynched will be enough to discourage him from further attempts. Also, we must remember that the Frenchman is the real enemy, and he wouldn't be wasting time committing petty theft.

Vote: Spare

[autolycus]

Why am I ineligible to vote? I voted for the mutiny and am listed as voting for the mutiny.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why am I ineligible to vote? I voted for the mutiny and am listed as voting for the mutiny.

My mistake, you're eligible. Kage was the 6th. Editing now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is quite possible that Andres has stolen from one of his fellow pirates, maybe even from me, but I think the shock of almost being lynched will be enough to discourage him from further attempts.

I sincerely hope not. :pirate2:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: Spare

I have seen nothing in Andres' posts to convince me that he is a real and present threat - he seems like he is taking his role-playing seriously; he seems to be out for gold. I could be wrong, but I see him as more of an asset than a threat.

I am also increasingly wary of the direction in which the mutiny's leadership are taking us. Speaking as one who knows from several bad experiences - too much centralisation can lead to huge problems. As such:

Elect: Curio

I am, and will remain, unaffiliated. I am consultative, but no man's minion. I will offer hard cash to those who want it. I will lead, but I also know when to leave alone.

I am the alternative candidate

[Ituralde]

Ah what a shame. There goes our Captain. It was an honor serving under you!

Vote: Spare

There be enough bloodshed for one day.

[Andres]

Of you want a true pirate running this vessel then I'm yer man. I have the courage to stick out me neck and to stand up for wat I believe in (gold). Can you say the same 'bout them boring bilge rats ordering ye around at night?

I can also provide write-ups...

[Andres]

Write ups that wont be written on a phone

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would be supportive of a GSC captaincy.

There are others.

[Double A]

Vote: spare

The runners up from yesterday seem like good candidates. Also me for some reason. I'll tenatively throw my hat in the ring with no real expectations. elect: AA

The towniest player period should be captain. I'm not to say if that's me. It's considerably less hassle to appoint the second and third best choices as officers and then boot them if they're scummy than it is to throw a mutiny.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Spare

Elect: Double A

[Ironside]

Vote: Spare

Elect: Curio

Something about being the guy not trying to throw me under the bus.

[Double A]

why are so many orgahs nordic

[landlubber]

Vote:Spare. Didn't vote for Andres, still not a fan of the lynch.
Elect:AA.

[El Barto]

vote:spare
elect:Curio


I dunno, I still got principles.
:laugh3:

I gotta run. Do the right thing and keep the guy who is acting most like an actual pirate alive.
Arr, I be thankin' ye fer tellin' everybody ta keep us alive.

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I kens Dutch! Tha' be Dutch! He be postin' fram a cellphone, but he be no' speaking the language o' the Popish overlord, the Duke of Alba! He be needin' sparin'!

I have no vote, but if you value my opinion, Andres is someone we'll want around.

I'm not talking about his position on board, just his character.

Feel free to investigate or kill me tonight if you would.

I am not affiliated with Andres in any manner other than a shared love of piracy.

You can also look at him whenever, instead, if you prefer. I'm sticking my neck out for someone simply because they bring the proper Pirate enthusiasm to this voyage.
Arrr, ye be talkin' good. Piracy forevarrr!

why are so many orgahs nordic
Wha kens?

[Visor]

vote: kill
elect: aa

[Zack]

Vote: Spare

Don't necessarily want a dashing rogue such as Andres in a position of power, but I doubt he's French.

Elect: Double A

Already explained this.

[Zack]

I am also increasingly wary of the direction in which the mutiny's leadership are taking us. Speaking as one who knows from several bad experiences - too much centralisation can lead to huge problems
Wasn't too much (attempted) centralization a significant factor in the mutiny? The War of Kagemusha's Aggression was fought for state's rights.

[El Barto]

An' noo ye be askin tha' everyone be votin fer wee Visorslashie's puppet, yonder muppet Double A!

[Visor]

I'll state outright that I considered going for the captaincy - but eventually figured it'd not be worth it regardless of whether I'd get the votes or not.

If any of ye want to hunt down some frenchman, or protect some pirates, come to me, I've got people who want to do both looking for groups.

I will say thatI heavily distrust ATPG and Curio, and think Andres should be killed. There is no reason to spare Andres at all.

[Visor]

An' noo ye be askin tha' everyone be votin fer wee Visorslashie's puppet, yonder muppet Double A!

Like all the mutineers were my puppet?

I voiced what everyone was thinking. You can feel free to make me the scapegoat - but I'll keep shouting my outspoken opinions until the cows come home.

And the cows can't swim so I might be shouting a while.

[El Barto]

Arrr, dinnae be drownin' coos, ye big numptie.

I was na' yer puppet, jist a bought loyalty. :)

[Visor]

I 'organised' the vigilante groups. By 'organise' I mean I pmed people and said 'hey do you wanna kill people' and they were like 'sure'.

I suggested killing lurkers first up but we got a lot of people in the groups. I wanted to kill TFT and Ice - but figured Ice was returning so we didn't end up killing him.

ATPG was going to be busy and well I couldn't kill anyone who agreed to kill people with me so I went after spaceman who had 1 post and ATPG because I didn't want to kill Gaius.

(This is a basic run down of course).

If Andres doesn't die here, he's dying tonight. So its no skin off my back.

I expect being public about this will elicit the wrong response and people will be like hurr durr, he's trying to kill people he must be french even though hes stuck his neck out a stupid amount and didn't push for captaincy despite having a reasonable chance to get it, etc, etc.

But meh. I'd look at Lissa, Ironside, Curio and ATPG next after Andres.

[Double A]

An' noo ye be askin tha' everyone be votin fer wee Visorslashie's puppet, yonder muppet Double A!

You're seeing an illusionary connection, Tak. It's just like a rainbow.

[Double A]

Right, who thinks which sea dogs are the sea doggiest? I'm thinking notjim, Xiahou, Zack, and Visor, but all debate is welcome on this matter.

[Visor]

Zack and myself are fine. Monty has also been fine iyam.

I'm not particularly sold on Xiahou.

BSmith has been pretty good.

[autolycus]

vote:spare
Elect:AA

[Sprig]

"Why on earth would you spare the rogue. I don't give people a second chance to stab me in the back. I think you all fools to do so. *Squawk*"

Vote: Kill

"There has been no good reason put forth to make AA captain either. It smacks of guilt. *Squawk*"

Elect: Choxorn

[El Barto]

Wha' rogue be ye talkin' aboot, parrot-boy?

[Zack]

"There has been no good reason put forth to make AA captain either. It smacks of guilt. *Squawk*"

Elect: Choxorn
First: I have no guilt, I did the right thing.

Second: What good reasons are there to make choxorn captain?

[Zack]

An' noo ye be askin tha' everyone be votin fer wee Visorslashie's puppet, yonder muppet Double A!
His puppet that threw him into the brig last night? lol

[Lissa]

Right, who thinks which sea dogs are the sea doggiest? I'm thinking notjim, Xiahou, Zack, and Visor, but all debate is welcome on this matter.

I can't really tell what you're meaning by sea doggiest.

3/4 of those people I think are town.

Xiahou meh. I think I saw someone call him townish. I don't agree. I need to check who that was.

[Lissa]

"Why on earth would you spare the rogue. I don't give people a second chance to stab me in the back. I think you all fools to do so. *Squawk*"

Vote: Kill

"There has been no good reason put forth to make AA captain either. It smacks of guilt. *Squawk*"

Elect: Choxorn

Why Choxorn? He hasn't done anything.

Not that I'm really one to talk, but I don't understand why you would suggest him of all people as captain.

[Lissa]

You say there has been no reason given to make AA captain, but your offered alternative has done far less and you don't offer any explanation either.

That is worrisome.

[Csargo]

There are two hours remaining. Andres (and likely Csargo) will appear to add a vote on Landlubber.

Don't be fooled - there are no alternatives to Andres and landlubber at the moment.

Andres must die.

Ha! Didn't show up at all. Wouldn't have voted landlubber. Probably visor or something like that. Generally distrust people like that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Note: I may not be on at the exact deadline tomorrow (have to go across town to get my phone returned to me). If this is the case, the round ends when I explicitly post "voting closed", not the timer deadline.

I shouldn't be more than 15 minutes late unless I get robbed or kidnapped or something.

[El Barto]

Second: What good reasons are there to make choxorn captain?
Fer meself, good reasons ta make Curio captain be that he be payin' fer votes. Savvy?

His puppet that threw him into the brig last night? lol
Battery-man be a puppet fer anybody wha tells him what ta do, an' prevents wee Visorslashie fram being a potential victim o' a coup.

I shouldn't be more than 15 minutes late unless I get robbed or kidnapped or something.
We be pirates… all part o' our stock in trade.

[Sprig]

Why Choxorn? He hasn't done anything.

"You know better that that, why you tellin white lies? *Squawk*"




You say there has been no reason given to make AA captain, but your offered alternative has done far less and you don't offer any explanation either.

That is worrisome.

"No explanation? Was one needed? On the basis of what has been provided in terms of captain votes, It didn't seem to be the case. But for the curious, Choxorn is someone I can work with. *Squawk*"

[Double A]

welp

[Choxorn]

"There has been no good reason put forth to make AA captain either. It smacks of guilt. *Squawk*"

Elect: Choxorn

I appreciate your offer, lad, but as others have pointed out, I be the quiet, not-doing-much type, not the sort of pirate that should really be anyone's first choice for captain. Elect: Double A, he's a much better choice.

Vote: Kill

[Xiahou]

Zack and myself are fine. Monty has also been fine iyam.

I'm not particularly sold on Xiahou.

BSmith has been pretty good.I'd like to know why you think they're "fine". I think you, Zack and Monty are all still suspects.

Vote: spare
Elect: Andres
I haven't seen a good reason to elect AA other than the say so of people I don't particularly trust.
I still think Andres has the right mentality to be captain... but he's not likely to win- or even survive for long. :shrug:

[Double A]

Hey, so, if there are any power roles around that feel comfortable revealing to me, that'd be pretty cool. If you'd rather wait for my first mate to investigate me a lot, or investigate him, I wouldn't be terribly offended.

I'm also willing to work with any neutral third parties if your VCs have even the slimmest potential to not conflict with the town's, even if they're absolutely ridiculous, because I am nothing if not a student of Pizzaguy.

[Ishmael]

vote: Kill

elect: Double A

Same reasoning as earlier with regards to Andres, and Double A seems as good a choice as any.

[Double A]

GH has just informed me that I must pass on my pair of boots because it would be too op for a nigh-unkillable character to have them.

At least one of you wants it. You know where my PM box is.

[spaceman98]

I'll state outright that I considered going for the captaincy - but eventually figured it'd not be worth it regardless of whether I'd get the votes or not.

If any of ye want to hunt down some frenchman, or protect some pirates, come to me, I've got people who want to do both looking for groups.

I will say thatI heavily distrust ATPG and Curio, and think Andres should be killed. There is no reason to spare Andres at all.

Agreed.

vote: kill

and if Anders survives today, I'd be up for vigging him

elect: Double A for captain. Curio's in-thread behavior has been more questionable IMO

On the other hand, I oppose killing ATPG. He's been relatively townie in thread so far, and he's intresting to have around. Let him live.


Like all the mutineers were my puppet?

I voiced what everyone was thinking. You can feel free to make me the scapegoat - but I'll keep shouting my outspoken opinions until the cows come home.

And the cows can't swim so I might be shouting a while.

now now Visor, what did we say about hearing mooing at sea? Beware the Kraken.



I 'organised' the vigilante groups. By 'organise' I mean I pmed people and said 'hey do you wanna kill people' and they were like 'sure'.

I suggested killing lurkers first up but we got a lot of people in the groups. I wanted to kill TFT and Ice - but figured Ice was returning so we didn't end up killing him.

ATPG was going to be busy and well I couldn't kill anyone who agreed to kill people with me so I went after spaceman who had 1 post and ATPG because I didn't want to kill Gaius.

(This is a basic run down of course).

If Andres doesn't die here, he's dying tonight. So its no skin off my back.

I expect being public about this will elicit the wrong response and people will be like hurr durr, he's trying to kill people he must be french even though hes stuck his neck out a stupid amount and didn't push for captaincy despite having a reasonable chance to get it, etc, etc.

But meh. I'd look at Lissa, Ironside, Curio and ATPG next after Andres.

So you were the one who targeted me.... thought so... Just don't do it again :deal2: :pirate:


Also, I said that I was traveling, and didn't have internet access. You know full well that I don't lurk D1 under normal circumstances regardless of allignment.



Right, who thinks which sea dogs are the sea doggiest? I'm thinking notjim, Xiahou, Zack, and Visor, but all debate is welcome on this matter.

not Xiahou.

[Ituralde]

Elect: Double A

He be known, for what it's worth. Curio I am not sure about.

[Lissa]

"You know better that that, why you tellin white lies? *Squawk*"



"No explanation? Was one needed? On the basis of what has been provided in terms of captain votes, It didn't seem to be the case. But for the curious, Choxorn is someone I can work with. *Squawk*"

not literally NOTHING, but not much that I know of.

it seemed like an odd choice.

vote: kill

[Sprig]

not literally NOTHING, but not much that I know of.

it seemed like an odd choice.

vote: kill

And so he has himself has made clear to me :lol:

"Arhhh Unelect: Choxorn; Elect: BSmith *Squawk*"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visorslash.

You go ahead and tell the group what, exactly, you think I've done which is suspect.

Hopefully it will convince someone to take a look at me or take me out at night. But more importantly than that, since I am a loyal seaman, I want to know what is the source of your suspicion, in great detail.

You deserve a little suspicion as well at this point, but let's talk about me first.

[NotJimRV]

vote: kill

Why is anyone voting spare? Get some (delayed) flips happening from voting patterns imo.

elect: Double A

Seems fine to me, getting a weak inno vibe from his most recent posts.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Spare


Elect: Double A


Didn't think Andres was any great lynch to begin with, and that hasn't changed.

[BSmith]

vote: spare
Elect: DoubleA

[Visor]

Visorslash.

You go ahead and tell the group what, exactly, you think I've done which is suspect.

Hopefully it will convince someone to take a look at me or take me out at night. But more importantly than that, since I am a loyal seaman, I want to know what is the source of your suspicion, in great detail.

You deserve a little suspicion as well at this point, but let's talk about me first.

Well, I disagree with who you're supporting and you have different reads to me which is strange as we're normally on similar pages most of the time.

Some of the things you've said to me sound exactly the kind of things you would as mafia - I can't really explain this one - call it a gut read.

I'd be interested to see what suspiscion you think I deserve. I've been rather.. openly aggressive in the game wouldn't you say? What do you think that means for my alignment?

[Visor]

I'd like to know why you think they're "fine". I think you, Zack and Monty are all still suspects.

Vote: spare
Elect: Andres
I haven't seen a good reason to elect AA other than the say so of people I don't particularly trust.
I still think Andres has the right mentality to be captain... but he's not likely to win- or even survive for long. :shrug:

Zack stuck his neck out along with me to mutiny Kage. Monty has been rather fanatical about his beliefs. I don't feel like I'm being deceived by either of them.

Why are we suspects in your mind?

[Visor]

Part of the reason I trust Zack is that we both know whats its like to be lied to in tight situations - hell it happened to me last PS mafia.

He was a big supporter of the mutiny in private with me and we both went and stuck out our necks massively with no entirely solid support behind us, and a failed mutiny basically guarantees our non survival this game.

Big risks by townies which is why we're good captaincy/officer material + likely townies IMO. If we don't reach the cap we basically never get the mutiny votes - and we didn't have the guaranteed support anyway.

[Lissa]

vote: kill

Why is anyone voting spare? Get some (delayed) flips happening from voting patterns imo.
^^ Basically this.

[Lissa]

elect: double A

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hour and 45 minutes remaining. Host's tally has Double A being elected Captain by a wide margin and 13-7 in favor of sparing Andres.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I disagree with who you're supporting and you have different reads to me which is strange as we're normally on similar pages most of the time.

Some of the things you've said to me sound exactly the kind of things you would as mafia - I can't really explain this one - call it a gut read.

I'd be interested to see what suspiscion you think I deserve. I've been rather.. openly aggressive in the game wouldn't you say? What do you think that means for my alignment?

This game is a little different. Regular folks who gain a bunch of gold don't really have to care about the French hunt that much.

Personally as long as they let me amass some gold I don't care what they do, and I'll say that open and plain as day.

Andres appears to be on that wavelength, and frankly my only issues with Kage were related to was a centralized effort fun or not. He didn't look scummy to me and most of the reasons behind the mutiny felt contrived, as I said. And that's all well and good, if it were really just about gold. Then whatever, the Captain slot is the suicide slot at that point, and makes for easy pickings for gold hungry people.

I don't have any / many scum readings because I'm not looking for them. I am noticing certain folks behaving in a manner which seems consistent with my own viewpoint, and I think it's riskier to take that track than to make a pretense about being gung ho about groups and protections and vigs and whatnot, dressing up one's act to look like you're hunting scum seems pro-town on the surface but it's all too expected. And boring. Humorless is the word.

You don't usually find me suspicious until I do something suspicious which you can articulate. That's the big red flag. You never have simply a gut read on me.

That's bogus. That's the first thing you've actually done this game which doesn't smell right.

You being openly aggressive and swatting down the scummy idea I shared with you privately about actually working with the French to get their gold since they probably don't care about it, feels like you're forcing it.

By that I mean, I'm carefree and I can leave this ship anytime I want with my life and my meager amount of gold so far, and that would be a better ending for me than any poor schlubb that gets his neck ripped in half or stabbed or shot or cannonball-to-the-faced, regardless of how much gold they amass before they die.

You, on the other hand, feel like you're trying to put on that pro-town persona, and being aggressive or a risk taker isn't outside of your scum meta.

Your suspicion on me as a gut feeling is a lie. You know exactly what I did that's scummy and you know how to articulate it, if you're a townie.

You can assemble another vig group and kill me if you like. I'm demanding zero murder protection this game, I don't want it, don't care.

But you, Visor, are fake.

[Golden1Knight]

Elect: Double A

[GeneralHankerchief]

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