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but gold is shiny and I like shiny
landlubber
10-06-2015, 05:37
but gold is useful for my conversions because I'M THE FRENCHMAN and I like CROISSANTS AND TRUFFLES AND MIMES
guys zack edited that post, luckily i saved the original. game over. no need to thank me.
but gold is useful for my conversions because I'M THE FRENCHMAN and I like CROISSANTS AND TRUFFLES AND MIMES
guys zack edited that post, luckily i saved the original. game over. no need to thank me.
how do you know conversions use gold
perfect
information
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/goodvillains-syndrome-590x350.jpg
landlubber
10-06-2015, 05:50
because i read it in your post obvs.
perfect reading syndrome
the french education system is quite good
certainly better than pirate university (go bucs!)
Seriously why would you say that about needing gold for conversions?
spaceman98
10-06-2015, 06:20
Except they haven't blocked every night - plus this post suggests you do have a block.
I blocked El Barto fwiw.
How does it suggest that at all?
Presumably causing chaos via the block isn't their top priority. They may have found conversion targets, or may have been forced to participate in vig groups, or may have done any number of other wierd Frenchie things. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't use the block though. Especially on N1 when they probably have fewer other things to do, or at least, less to base their actions on.
Lissa lying is also certainly a possibility.
unvote: vote: Lissa
Might as well. After all, "roleblock" is the sort of lie a caught frenchman would concoct in that situation.
I'll abandon ship tonight if you guys want me to
Why would they block Lissa?
spaceman98
10-06-2015, 06:22
I'd rather stay though. A townie abandoning ship is still one townie closer to a French takeover.
spaceman98
10-06-2015, 06:23
Why would they block Lissa?
if they knew she was part of a vig group? Potential chance to frame two people at once
Lets run through this scenario: Spaceman is town. Why stop the kill? He'll get lynched anyway so even if he is convertable he won't last long.
Spaceman is mafia: Well gotta block someone.
Lissa and spaceman is mafia - frame lissa to make her look good and stop the kill.
There is literally no reason to block LISSA of all people who was new to this site and had literally no reason to be blocked if spaceman was town.
spaceman98
10-06-2015, 06:25
Lets run through this scenario: Spaceman is town. Why stop the kill? He'll get lynched anyway so even if he is convertable he won't last long.
Spaceman is mafia: Well gotta block someone.
Lissa and spaceman is mafia - frame lissa to make her look good and stop the kill.
There is literally no reason to block LISSA of all people who was new to this site and had literally no reason to be blocked if spaceman was town.
Well town wasting a lynch is good for scum
Well town wasting a lynch is good for scum
You die in either scenario - its basically the same thing
Tell me why Lissa gets blocked night 1? I can;t see it.
Presumably causing chaos via the block isn't their top priority. They may have found conversion targets, or may have been forced to participate in vig groups, or may have done any number of other wierd Frenchie things. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't use the block though. Especially on N1 when they probably have fewer other things to do, or at least, less to base their actions on.
are you seriously suggesting that blocking some rando on n1 instead of looking for recruits is not an outrageously terrible strategy? The French need to blend in / infiltrate groups and recruit. A lone frenchie blocking someone does not fit in either of those. Finding converts is infinitely more important than a frame job. Your theory requires the french to be dumb.
screw recruits
lets FRAME someone with our flavorless roleblock
Also myself and Pizza are basically the only people who know lissa here before this game
Oh and Jim
But two of us couldn't have done anything and I highly doubt pizza did
So there is literally no reason for her to be blocked save stopping a kill
This screams of a mafia hopping on a bandwagon to bus their teammate.
Vote: Lissa
I don't see how that vote could look anything but null
This feels fake and like an excuse to vote me over spaceman
I realize that you are going to kill me regardless and I get it, but anyone voting me over/before spaceman is scummy because the mechanical things that implicate me and spaceman implicate spaceman more strongly
order matters because a vig is more blockable than a lynch and another night alive for spaceman means if he's french he can do things tonight
Wish flips took less than three days so you could see this sooner, I know it's kinda useless from any perspective but mine right now
And me being blocked makes perfect sense if spaceman is french
spaceman is defending you but you're not defending him at all, which makes me think you are the head honcho and thus a higher priority.
she'll be thrown in the brig anyway
and yeah zack - all roads lead to space being french
It makes perfect sense to lie about s block if spaceman is french, so that's a null point
spaceman is defending you but you're not defending him at all, which makes me think you are the head honcho and thus a higher priority.
Him being scum/me being town is a scenario that exists logically
Him being town/me being scum is a scenario that is far less likely logically so it'd make some sense for him to push the idea of both of us being town instead of that
anyway he's hardly defending me
It makes perfect sense to lie about s block if spaceman is french, so that's a null point
it doesn't really to me, but I'm obviously biased, so that's a null point, ya. my point is, if they blocked me because I was one of the people trying to kill spaceman that's hardly random/reasonless.
Sure but you weren't blocked so it's immaterial
I can see you lying about a block to go do your thing and it being unrelated to spaceman.
I just don't see you being blocked, I don't think you're ever town, while space might be
Double A
10-06-2015, 07:32
I've come to the conclusion that I'm actually terrible at large games with a lot of power roles because I can't get any reads.
Ituralde
10-06-2015, 08:13
Ah it be difficult with so many people goin around at nights. Then there be talk about this third party? Makes me wonder what happened to the first and second party on this ship. Surely the storm last night don't count as no party.
I have no tally, but I agree that between Lissa and spaceman98 the latter looks more suspiciouiousious... French!
But then I had me eyes on Lissa for a while now.
Really hope the Captains investigation of the other murders turns up something useful and the First Mate scans some highly suspicious people tonight. I hope this provides some new leads. Right now there's too many explanations for a lot of behaviours.
I've come to the conclusion that I'm actually terrible at large games with a lot of power roles because I can't get any reads.
Don't be so hard on yourself, I voiced my objection at the time. But you have the hat!
Unvote;el Barto; vote Lissa. Lissa over spaceman makes the most sense.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2015, 11:00
Why? Gold's pretty useless at this point. The top brass has been in place for the last few rounds, and the only way to keep up with them would be to steal.
Well?
Helloooooooo?
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2015, 11:02
Also myself and Pizza are basically the only people who know lissa here before this game
Oh and Jim
But two of us couldn't have done anything and I highly doubt pizza did
So there is literally no reason for her to be blocked save stopping a kill
I wouldn't have messed with Lissa that early. On my honor.
I wouldn't have messed with Lissa that early. On my honor.
yeah i doubt you would've.
Whatddya think? The block makes little sense unless they're both french or spaceman is IMO.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2015, 11:10
Yeah, spaceman's been rubbing me the wrong way for days, and I've had no opinion of Lissa but no objection to her being a suspect.
Admittedly, I'm not as focused on the roleblock thing because I've been distracted by the shiny (gold) and the pretty (:heart:) but I think the folks who are looking at it closely know what they're doing.
I know this sounds weird but I don't really follow the roleblock thing. I understand it's basically an accusation that the roleblock was invented, so that way they could explain why a vig group didn't work?
And there's been nights with no reported roleblocks?
That smells a lot more like a lie than the truth. I can't suggest any other alternative. String em up, walk em off the plank.
They should have bribed me. I'd have been bribed. I promise you that much!
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2015, 11:11
I could have looked scummy for you and then left the ship just as the vigs came for me.
For the right price, I'd have assembled secret vig groups for you. Oh, my talents have gone to utter waste. No one wants them.
It's fine. I can make my own gold and watch the French flag burn. It's all the same to me!
NotJimRV
10-06-2015, 11:27
Not to detract from the current spaceman wagon, but could this be rephrased into a manner I can better understand?
Bsmith killed, then I stole, then Bsmith scans as innocent?
The two tracks were on the night before - the scan was done last night.
Sorry laddies, hit a giant burnout patch and been not much for thinking recently. But looking at the thread for now I think I'll go with
vote: spaceman
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2015, 15:00
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2015, 15:32
Day 4
Even though many of the crewmen of the Presence seemed tired out after the previous day's arguments and then the massive storm that evening, it seemed as if today's arguments re-invigorated them. There was a general consensus that this discussion was good and piratical, what with Sprig's blatant murder attempt on Askthepizzaguy being mentioned and then summarily dismissed as irrelevant, gold changing hands for the amusing purpose of having one person vote for themselves, and then, the main focus of the day, the accusations being centered around spaceman98 and Lissa.
"I be tellin' ye," Lissa protested for seemingly the millionth time. "I tried to kill him the first night, but couldn't! Somebody stopped me!?"
"You were thrown in the brig?"
"No, somebody just stopped me!"
"That's it? Ye weren't offered a strong swig o' rum and then passed out? Weren't distracted by any figure callin' hisself Sexy Jeff? Weren't knocked upside the head with a heavy object?"
"Nay! Somebody just stopped me!"
Everybody moaned. "Well, that be anticlimactic. Also, I'm not sure if I be buyin' it, since apparently this strangest of actions only be happenin' to you."
"Oh come on!" Lissa protested. This was the most unfair thing ever. Her protests were in vain, though, as more and more people joined in on the chorus against her. Among these voices was spaceman himself, who had received a ton of votes earlier in the day but now, with the outcome in doubt, apparently grew enough confidence to make his voice heard. "Yeah!" he said. "Lissa's totally suspicious! And, uh, I'm not at all! Vote for her, laddies, she's got that French stink all over her!"
"That be grog and the sea, same as the rest of us," said another sailor, "not perfume. An' what are ye doing, anyway? She may have been blocked, but she was tryin' to kill *you* by all accounts that night. Actin' on insider information, eh?"
"Are you seriously suggesting that my wanting to live is now a trait of the Frenchman and his hirelings, and just them?"
"Uh..." the other sailor paused for a minute. ".............yes?"
"I hate everything," spaceman said. He didn't utter another word for the rest of the day, not even when he was ordered to walk the plank.
After that was over, Captain Double A took to address the crew. "Right laddies, that's another one down. Startin' tomorrow morning, I'll be startin' to have results on those who we've already lost. That'll be sure to aid our continuin' investigation, but let's also hope that there be no further cause for investigatin' in the first place. See you all in the morning."
Day 4 tally:
spaceman98: 9 (Askthepizzaguy, Visorslash, Montmorency, Gaius Scribonius Curio, johnhughthom, Lissa, autolycus, Ishmael, NotJimRV) :skull:
Lissa: 8 (Ituralde, BSmith, Zack, Choxorn, Golden1Knight, Csargo, spaceman98, Sprig)
Sprig: 1 (landlubber)
Visorslash: 1 (Andres)
El Barto: 1 (El Barto)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (TheFlax)
Abstained: 1 (Double A)
Didn't vote: none! :medievalcheers:
It is now Night 4. Please send in your orders. Night 4 will conclude on Wednesday, October 7th, at 16:00 US Eastern Time.
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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4)
Souls aboard: (21)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack
El Barto
10-06-2015, 16:55
I wasn't thinking. :shame:
An' tha' be why I has four more doubloons than before.
I'd rather have my gold in my own pocket, personally.
I as well would rather have yer gold in me own pocket, mon.
Why? Gold's pretty useless at this point. The top brass has been in place for the last few rounds, and the only way to keep up with them would be to steal.
Gae on, lad, I be listenin'…
if they knew she was part of a vig group? Potential chance to frame two people at once
Why be ye makin' sic an effor' tae defend yonder lady?
I realize that you are going to kill me regardless and I get it, but anyone voting me over/before spaceman is scummy because the mechanical things that implicate me and spaceman implicate spaceman more strongly
order matters because a vig is more blockable than a lynch and another night alive for spaceman means if he's french he can do things tonight
Wish flips took less than three days so you could see this sooner, I know it's kinda useless from any perspective but mine right now
And me being blocked makes perfect sense if spaceman is french
Nah, does no' make any sense 'cept in the case whar he can't actually convert -which be nae real. I amn't buyin' yer stuff.
@Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=17742) Can you confirm?
For 1 gold, I'll tell you in private; 3 gold for a public post.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 21:25
An' if he wants both it be four gold in all?
For 1 gold, I'll tell you in private; 3 gold for a public post.
Deal. 3 gold it is.
Pm sent to GH.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 22:37
Andres, ye daft numptie, ye be sellin' oot cheap! A got four gold fer makin' an inconsequential pos' only yesterday!
Public Duels when only one person attempt to murder, sound like a thing I should try to do tonight!
"Argh, I wouldn't recommend this *Squawk*."
Squawky Jim looked a bit sheepish.
"Turns out, I nearly died. *Squawk.*"
- - -
Reading through this. Some one helpfully pointed out in the rules that not only does failure have a chance of being revealed but, but a chance of death also.
Lissa is being thrown in the brig.
Get your orders in vigilantes. This is important.
Deal. 3 gold it is.
Pm sent to GH.
My N1 investigation told me that Kagemusha was guarding gold and Double A was putting someone in the brig. Nothing more, nothing less.
Results are different if you investigate only 1 person.
Csargo
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My N1 investigation told me that Kagemusha was guarding gold and Double A was putting someone in the brig. Nothing more, nothing less.
Results are different if you investigate only 1 person.
Csargo
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didn't you already say this in the thread? lol
Csargo doesn't trust the faceless evil me or AA.
Why was BSmith tracked and then scanned? It's an odd choice, especially the redundancy/wastefulness of it.
Why has Visor not been scanned at all, and Double A not been scanned (was only tracked n1)?
Ituralde
10-07-2015, 06:55
Finally someone be askin the right qurstions! What be the Captain and his men doing?
Montmorency
10-07-2015, 06:58
Don't you consider yourself one of the Captain's men? :(
Ituralde
10-07-2015, 07:00
His Officers then. They be raking in the treasure with little to show for it.
What? All our actions have been put in thread?
What's your angle here mate?
@ Zack
Besides the fact that we're all statistically less likely to be mafia - our actions are generally always notifiable to the town - dunno what AA is doing at night - but I've claimed my actions and so has BSmith.
AA has zero chance of being converted, and NJ and myself extremely unlikely as well.
I'm fairly sure we're all town as well.
His Officers then. They be raking in the treasure with little to show for it.
This is literally false. We've told you our actions.
NotJimRV
10-07-2015, 07:56
Why was BSmith tracked and then scanned? It's an odd choice, especially the redundancy/wastefulness of it.
Unless I am misreading my role, I have to track them on a previous night before scanning.
Montmorency
10-07-2015, 08:01
2 people = track
1 person = scan
A person tracked one night can be tracked again later, which gives you a scan.
Aye. From my experience in the last game, the first scan on someone is a track. The second scan revealed their susceptibility to conversion. The First mate could scan 2 people per night, or one if he wanted to get straight to the second level scan. My question would be did Jim scan anyone else besides me last night, seeing how he had already scanned me the night before.
I highly recommend that the first mate scan our captain and quartermaster posthaste, perhaps the level 2 scan of Visorslash tonight, then the second scan of Double A (if that scan transfers from the previous first mate).
landlubber
10-07-2015, 17:42
Zack, you seem well-intentioned, so let me just say: if you're town, you're not finding scum. I don't think Lissa's scum, and I know I'm not. This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage. If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously, you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets. Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.
Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig. If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.
Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty, and you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa. This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway. This plan is not a townie plan. Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.
landlubber
10-07-2015, 17:51
Re-reading that post, I realize that some of it sounds a little self-contradicting, so let me just stress my point:
Zack could be town. He could also be mafia. I don't have a very strong lean in either direction.
But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.
Csargo doesn't trust the faceless evil me or AA.
Why should I? You're also not "statistically less likely to be mafia" either. You went after kage, for organizing. You were as well. You got Xiahou lynched, but unvoted before the round ended. I just think you've been scummy :shrug:
Double A just hasn't done much. Can't really tell much.
Aye. From my experience in the last game, the first scan on someone is a track. The second scan revealed their susceptibility to conversion. The First mate could scan 2 people per night, or one if he wanted to get straight to the second level scan. My question would be did Jim scan anyone else besides me last night, seeing how he had already scanned me the night before.
Yes, this is what bugs me. The level 1 investigation had already been used against you, yet Jim claimed that he could "only" scan you the next night.
Oh hi, forgot about this. >_>
khaan stole and bsmith took part in the vig last night.
I will reveal tonight's scan result once day breaks.
Shouldn't you have two scan results?
I can only have one scan result tonight, double-checked it with GH
Was stolen from last night, bet it was one of you!
Anyway scanned bsmith and he's town.
landlubber This is so ridiculous I really shouldn't even dignify it with a response, but whatever. I'll humor you.
Zack, you seem well-intentioned, so let me just say: if you're town, you're not finding scum. I don't think Lissa's scum, and I know I'm not.
Why don't you think Lissa's scum? You don't think I'm scumhunting because you disagree with reads?
This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage.
First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.
If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously,
Leader of the town, me? What the hell are you talking about? I have not ever presented myself as such, and this is the first night I've even tried to organize something myself. For the most part, I've let others tell me who to kill and who to do it with.
you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets.
What better targets? Out of everyone I asked to participate, one person objected on nebulous grounds, which is NOT reason to pick a whole new target, no matter how much you agree with them.
Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.
Claiming to, at least.
Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig.
You claiming to jump ship and Lissa being thrown in the brig are not indicative of alignment at all. I don't understand your first point. Is everyone who's been organizing the vigkills up until this point scum too? Convenient how you only make that assertion when you're one of the targets, you were fine with it when you in on the action.
If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.
How noble of you.
Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty
Oh please, stop trying to pass off your attempts to save yourself as some great moral stand.
you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa.
Killing scum is a waste of time?
This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway.
How does that even benefit or make sense for me as French?
This plan is not a townie plan.
Why, because you're a target?
Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.
"DON'T KILL ME!!!"
Re-reading that post, I realize that some of it sounds a little self-contradicting, so let me just stress my point:
Zack could be town. He could also be mafia. I don't have a very strong lean in either direction.
Oh my god, this hedging is absurd and not town at all. After your last post you're going to spout this obvious bullshit? Please.
But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.
If I was a townie trying my absolute hardest to vig French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design because it's in bold italics.
I'm fairly sure we're all town as well.
oh well now i'm convinced, no need for any scans
oh well now i'm convinced, no need for any scans
Especially since the officers have been so unfailingly competent. The Xiahou situation was handled perfectly and not mishandled at all. NotJim's actions haven't been inexplicable and he's obviously been a constant reassuring presence in the thread.
I'm not going to mutiny, because I think Double A is a fine captain, but he needs to either whip his officers into shape or replace them, because their old boys club is not cutting it. I suggest Montmorency and Ishmael as potential replacements for Jim.
landlubber sounds suspicious. For gold, I want to join a vig quad on him.
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landlubber
10-07-2015, 20:32
Why don't you think Lissa's scum? You don't think I'm scumhunting because you disagree with reads?
Just my read on her play. She's had a lot of attention, but she's handled it very well.
First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.
I don't agree. If anything, you're more forceful than Kage was. Yeah, you picked targets that you yourself suggested, but you assigned people to those targets who've said they don't agree with them, and you've made very clear that you would be angry if those orders weren't followed.
Leader of the town, me? What the hell are you talking about? I have not ever presented myself as such, and this is the first night I've even tried to organize something myself. For the most part, I've let others tell me who to kill and who to do it with.
My wording was poor here, sure. Calling you a coordinator works.
What better targets? Out of everyone I asked to participate, one person objected on nebulous grounds, which is NOT reason to pick a whole new target, no matter how much you agree with them.
More than one person disagrees.
Claiming to, at least.
I wonder how you'll retort when you realize that I am town, I already sent in orders to jump ship, and I'm not trying to save myself here. I'm not anti-town. I'm posting this for your benefit, not mine. Pick better targets next time if you want to kill French.
You claiming to jump ship and Lissa being thrown in the brig are not indicative of alignment at all. I don't understand your first point. Is everyone who's been organizing the vigkills up until this point scum too? Convenient how you only make that assertion when you're one of the targets, you were fine with it when you in on the action.
No, me jumping ship isn't (immediately) indicative of alignment and Lissa being thrown in the brig isn't, but you're directing people to spend their time on two kills that do not need to happen. I'm gone after this night, and Lissa is incapacitated. It's poor judgement to waste ten people on those targets.
How noble of you.
I'm not trying to be noble, I'm trying to get you to move on so you can, you know, actually start hitting French.
Oh please, stop trying to pass off your attempts to save yourself as some great moral stand.
Again, I'm jumping ship. I'm trying to get the town to focus on scumhunting again. There's no saving myself, and morality has nothing to do with it. Morality is subjective. You're objectively in the wrong by vigging me, because I'm not French.
Killing scum is a waste of time?
Nope. If only that were what was happening tonight.
How does that even benefit or make sense for me as French?
You've got half the town on townie targets instead of French ones. Sounds French to me.
Why, because you're a target?
Because it's counterproductive.
"DON'T KILL ME!!!"
I can't wait for your perspective to shatter when you realize that I'm not desperate to save myself.
Oh my god, this hedging is absurd and not town at all. After your last post you're going to spout this obvious bullshit? Please.
Not bullshit, clarification.
Responses in bold.
El Barto
10-07-2015, 20:40
Be ye leavin' the ship as ye claimed in the QT or no', mon? Ye be makin' an awful lot of a racket fer someone wha could simply be already halfway to the horizon in this balmy night, laddie.
Especially since the officers have been so unfailingly competent. The Xiahou situation was handled perfectly and not mishandled at all. NotJim's actions haven't been inexplicable and he's obviously been a constant reassuring presence in the thread.
I'm not going to mutiny, because I think Double A is a fine captain, but he needs to either whip his officers into shape or replace them, because their old boys club is not cutting it. I suggest Montmorency and Ishmael as potential replacements for Jim.
They should at least be replaced imho. The fact that neither Double A or Visor has been properly scanned is ridiculous.
El Barto
10-07-2015, 20:53
We's could hold a parallel election 'longside next phase. Anon-bindin' referendum as it were. People votes the names o' their favourite candidate in purple or tangerine an' then teh Captain has a guideline on who could be a better officer. O' course, this be meanin' tha' I could sell me vote more than once in th' same day. :grin:
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2015, 21:00
Night 4 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
Anyone with objections waited way too long to bring them up.
landlubber
10-07-2015, 21:40
Be ye leavin' the ship as ye claimed in the QT or no', mon? Ye be makin' an awful lot of a racket fer someone wha could simply be already halfway to the horizon in this balmy night, laddie.
Yep, I immediately sent in orders to leave and never changed them. I'm still posting because we've done a disastrous job with our scumhunting so far. My vig is an example. I want the town to win, and I know my vig doesn't bring us any closer to that goal.
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2015, 21:49
Night 4
As the Presence continued its northward sail to Nassau, some sailors were more optimistic than others about the course it was taking. It was as they all feared: the ship was tearing itself apart from within.
landlubber knew it was time to get off this boat. When one of the other crewmen, an influential one at that, makes an open declaration about his intent of killing you and actively recruits volunteers to aid him in this cause, it's usually time to abandon ship. It may have been a bluff, but landlubber didn't think so. In any case, he certainly wasn't about to find out.
The question was, how to play this? He had two choices: Fast, or sneaky. Being sneaky might give him a little more breathing room, but then again it could also cost him valuable time when trying to escape if people *were* coming for him. On the other hand, going fast would get him to safety sooner, but it also might force his attackers' hands... assuming they ever came in the first place.
What to do, what to do? Landlubber started sweating bullets, acquiring a large case of tunnel vision in the process. His entire world now boiled down to himself and his bag of worldly possessions, most notably his share of the loot from New Tortuga. Had lubber been slightly more aware, he may have realized that there were a few conspicuous absences from the crew quarters below deck.
It was time - there was no more sense in sweating and pulling it off. He'd had a fun ride, but now it was time to extend his lifespan. lubber grabbed his bag, and bolted upstairs. He chose "fast" over "sneaky", barreling through all obstacles without so much as a "sorry!" spared for people he ran into. He headed straight for the lifeboats (already with one absence)... and ran straight into an obstacle that didn't budge.
Five sailors, cutlasses out, greeted him with bared teeth, blocking his path to freedom. "A bit o' advice, lubber," one of them said, "ye may thought it was foolish of us to announce our intent in killin' you, but 'twas twicesame on your part to announce *your* intent in leavin' tonight. All we had to do was set up shop early and wait for you to come to us."
lubber desperately tried to run around them and reach the lifeboat, but he never made it. His final moments consisted of him bleeding out on the decks of the Presence, the ship he had been so desperate to leave. Perhaps death would offer more freedom - he would find out very shortly indeed.
Back below decks, Lissa was taking her impending demise with far more stoicism. "I've been waiting fer ya for a while now," she said, at present it not being certain if she was specifically addressing any one of the five sailors surrounding her bunk. "Ever since the second day, really. I got put in a bad position and ye never quite trusted me afterwards."
One of the sailors surrounding her responded. "This be odd. You're not putting up much more o' a fight? Not denying yer Frenchness or business with the Maven? Not runnin' for it like Ironside did a couple nights back or I suspect landlubber be doin' right now? Not beggin' fer protection from the officers or anyone else?"
"What be the point?" said Lissa. "Will anything I honestly say convince you to lay off and let me live?"
The reply was instant. The five sailors surrounding her all grumbled negatively.
"Well then, no sense in losing any more sleep over it than has already been done. Just know two things: One, I'd prefer it be quick. Two, I know all yer faces and will be haunting the lot o' ye for the rest of yer miserable kelp-stained lives, be they twelve hours longer or thrice as many years. Begone, I say, and after I be done with ye in life, then may Satan follow my example for eternity."
"LISSA, NO!" shouted another voice, desperately trying to reach her and save her in time. But it was too late. Undeterred by the curse she had just laid down on them, the sailors finished their job, ignoring the efforts of the newcomer to try to stop it. Afterwards, they retired to their bunks to contemplate the exact meaning of "eternity".
The next morning, Captain Double A gathered the remaining crewmen around his cabin, a grim expression on his face. "Right then, the news," he said. It looks like the number o' kills be increasing. We had two bodies overnight, landlubber and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"
"Oh, look at our fearless leader, speaking about progress!" another sailor called back. "You be supposed to takin' charge and stopping this! Where be the long-promised postmortems anyway!" General murmurs of agreement followed this.
"As a matter of fact, I have the first batch right here," Double A said, "but it not be lookin' so good. TFT, seireikhaan, Kagemusha, and Ironside were loyal crewmen all and we be the worse off without them. Anyways, why am I still talking??! Get votin', ye rusty scuppers, and let's find that Frenchman!"
OOC:
First off, TFT's identity should have been revealed on D4 and not today, apologies for the confusion/delay. We should be up to speed with the post-death reveals now.
It is now Day 5. Voting will last until Thursday, October 8th, at 23:59 US Eastern Time.
Feedback PMs will go out shortly.
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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4)
Souls aboard: (19)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Montmorency
NotJimRV
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack
GH, "We had two bodies overnight, Double A and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"
Dead Captain talking :)
Also, pretty curious about Lissa's death. Did one person try protection on her?
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2015, 22:09
GH, "We had two bodies overnight, Double A and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"
Dead Captain talking :)
Damn, fixed. :wall:
Also, all feedback PMs are now out. I'm slowly getting faster at this... :juggle2:
Also, pretty curious about Lissa's death. Did one person try protection on her?
That was me.
That was me.
I was curious if that would show. Chur.
El Barto
10-07-2015, 22:50
Shiver me effin' timbers, I's been robbed!
I was curious if that would show. Chur.
I tried to set up a real protection, but time was against me and the people involved didn't read the pms or didn't want to participate. That's understandable, but disappointing.
El Barto
10-07-2015, 22:55
Anyone wiv any information on' the whereabouts of me dozen missin' doubloons be in fer a rewards. If'n ye returns the money freely then I has a job fer ya. Otherwise I'll jist be stringin' me cat-o'-nine-tails here in preparation fer what's ta come ta ye.
Anyone wiv any information on' the whereabouts of me dozen missin' doubloons be in fer a rewards. If'n ye returns the money freely then I has a job fer ya. Otherwise I'll jist be stringin' me cat-o'-nine-tails here in preparation fer what's ta come ta ye.
My bet would be on ATPG, but I don't have any info to say for certain.
I tried to set up a real protection, but time was against me and the people involved didn't read the pms or didn't want to participate. That's understandable, but disappointing.
Why?
Why?
I thought she was genuine, plus it was almost guaranteed that Lissa would be attacked. Why not take a shot? Others didn't agree.
Kagemusha
10-07-2015, 23:31
First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.
Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.
Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.
"My" vig groups? How would you even know anything about the alignments, anyways?
And once again, you're misrepresenting my reasons for mutiny. It was not solely because you handed out orders, as you and others keep saying.
landlubber
10-07-2015, 23:39
Zack, you were undeniably the primary organizer of those two vigs. You can pretend that you weren't a major player in last night's events, but you ought to take responsibility for your organization and promotion of those vigs. It's disingenuous to suggest that you had nothing to do with that.
Zack, you were undeniably the primary organizer of those two vigs. You can pretend that you weren't a major player in last night's events, but you ought to take responsibility for your organization and promotion of those vigs. It's disingenuous to suggest that you had nothing to do with that.
I did organize the two kills last night, but I have not organized any other kills. To call them "my vig groups" and say that those groups have been "failing to target anything other than townies" (implying I directed those groups on more than one occasion) is wrong. It's also disingenuous to suggest only townies have been killed and lynched, because most of those alignments have not been revealed yet.
Vote:NotJimRV
He should have investigated Double A or Visor immediately but he didn't. I find that disconcerting honestly.
Vote:Mutiny
Because why not? We don't know what he's been doing. He has not been cleared. I don't see the reason to not put someone else in.
Who would you propose as an alternative?
Who would you propose as an alternative?
You, BSmith, or Andres.
autolycus
10-08-2015, 00:09
Well, that was odd. Someone left me gold, and I haven't talked to any of them outside of the QT Visorslash set up.
You, BSmith, or Andres.
I will happily serve as First Mate, but I do not want the captaincy or quartermaster positions. I already did the captain thing last game, and I don't want to be quartermaster because I'd rather kill people than block them. I do not want those positions, do not elect/appoint me to them as I will immediately resign. As FM I'd investigate the captain and QM, then get on with killing people, so don't appoint me if you're not okay with that.
I'm fine with BSmith being an officer/captain, not sold on Andres becoming one.
One thing that puzzles me - what's up with the Ironside thing? Why did he give the gold to his (attempted) killers? I and others were assuming it's because he's third party, but he was apparently a noble seaman, which raises the question of why landlubber didn't do the same thing? Either lubber wasn't actually trying to leave the ship, that bribe thing is exclusive to townies (which lubber wasn't), or it has something to do with Ironside having four attackers and landlubber five (though I don't know why that would matter). The way it's written, it seems like the kill attempt on Ironside succeeded, but he abandoned ship first, so I wonder why it didn't work out that way last night.
El Barto
10-08-2015, 00:36
As in every phase: I be open ta any suggestions, includin' bein' paid ta vote fer meself (Csargo, lust ye fer a second go?)or others.
My bet would be on ATPG, but I don't have any info to say for certain.
Please 'laborate.
One thing that puzzles me - what's up with the Ironside thing? Why did he give the gold to his (attempted) killers? I and others were assuming it's because he's third party, but he was apparently a noble seaman, which raises the question of why landlubber didn't do the same thing? Either lubber wasn't actually trying to leave the ship, that bribe thing is exclusive to townies (which lubber wasn't), or it has something to do with Ironside having four attackers and landlubber five (though I don't know why that would matter). The way it's written, it seems like the kill attempt on Ironside succeeded, but he abandoned ship first, so I wonder why it didn't work out that way last night.
Nah, we just gits 10 doubloons apiece fer a kill attempt. Right? 10 doubloons. Shiny, sparklin' doubloons.
As in every phase: I be open ta any suggestions, includin' bein' paid ta vote fer meself (Csargo, lust ye fer a second go?)or others.
Please 'laborate.
Nah, we just gits 10 doubloons apiece fer a kill attempt. Right? 10 doubloons. Shiny, sparklin' doubloons.
afaik he's the only one who's been stealing. There could be more, but he's been the most vocal about it.
I'm not buying any votes today, sorry.
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2015, 01:13
My bet would be on ATPG, but I don't have any info to say for certain.
Nay, I have 11 of Ituralde's gold pieces that say I wasn't stealin' from El Barto. What do I look like, some kind of gold thief? The nerve of such an accusation.
PS Ituralde, I has your gooo-ooold.
I did organize the two kills last night, but I have not organized any other kills. To call them "my vig groups" and say that those groups have been "failing to target anything other than townies" (implying I directed those groups on more than one occasion) is wrong. It's also disingenuous to suggest only townies have been killed and lynched, because most of those alignments have not been revealed yet.
I can confirm this.
You, BSmith, or Andres.
I would prefer yourself to andres. I am inclined to agree with you, if we have a suitable candidate for Captain that wants the job.
I can confirm this.
I would prefer yourself to andres. I am inclined to agree with you, if we have a suitable candidate for Captain that wants the job.
I just threw out people who I find the least suspicious for various reasons.
I would agree that it does appear that our leadership is not working that closely together. I will not support a mutiny at this time, but should it happen I will state fairly unequivocally that I do not want to be FM or Quartermaster, and have told our current captain as much.
I would agree that it does appear that our leadership is not working that closely together. I will not support a mutiny at this time, but should it happen I will state fairly unequivocally that I do not want to be FM or Quartermaster, and have told our current captain as much.
But you would be captain? Csargo's post reminded me that you were scanned as town and not susceptible to conversion, so you would actually be the perfect captain.
I would not turn it down should it come to pass.
Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.
:laugh4: Zack was the big supporter of the mutiny with me - thought that was rather obvious by us both questioning you hard in public.
I did give gold to Gaius and Takh to support the mutiny though - I was probably the head honcho of it all.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 02:41
Ituralde, were you robbed?
Gaius, Andres, and JHT - no more laying low. Given last night's activity, it would make sense to conclude that the French team has been spending most of its efforts on town group-actions throughout the game - but for some loose ends, namely you three.
It may well be that at this point the town offices or network ranks have been compromised by the scum, but until you three have been more-thoroughly accounted for, I can't countenance an internal inquisition.
And given these comments, Csargo and Pizza, you will find it useful to engage more directly with the over-group, regardless of how corrupt you judge it now.
Vote: Andres
El Barto
10-08-2015, 02:43
Sae we can finally get Double A killed? A captain who told me to me face tha' he didna' care if I was robbed of me righftully acquired plunder an' blood-money? Any time! (an' I won't be chargin' ye a Csargo price)
I assume Csargo has been robbing me the last couple of nights
I can already see where the wind is trying to blow - and truth be told I can't summon up the energy to care. I think its wrong, and most of you probably believe its wrong, but christ if I just can't be bothered.
That Xiahou day just sucked all the fun out for me.
El Barto
10-08-2015, 03:16
Wha' be ye talkin' aboot, laddie?
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 03:21
I didn't see it.
I can't believe it.
Oh, but I feel it.
I assume Csargo has been robbing me the last couple of nights
Nope, I haven't robbed anyone. I've only tried to protect people.
Night 2 was the only night I wasn't doing that. I was protecting my gold that night, because nobody decided on anything.
Nope, I haven't robbed anyone. I've only tried to protect people.
Might be Andres then.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 03:30
Why are you doing this now?
Why are you doing this now?
Doing what?
El Barto
10-08-2015, 03:33
Can't you see it?
Nah.
Double A
10-08-2015, 03:34
Especially since the officers have been so unfailingly competent. The Xiahou situation was handled perfectly and not mishandled at all. NotJim's actions haven't been inexplicable and he's obviously been a constant reassuring presence in the thread.
I'm not going to mutiny, because I think Double A is a fine captain, but he needs to either whip his officers into shape or replace them, because their old boys club is not cutting it. I suggest Montmorency and Ishmael as potential replacements for Jim.
I agree. NotJim let the ball slip hard, and that doesn't fly with me. Unfortunately, I'm also pretty sure he's town.
Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.
There wasn't a single opportunity for me to turn French, by my reckoning.
Vote:NotJimRV
He should have investigated Double A or Visor immediately but he didn't. I find that disconcerting honestly.
Vote:Mutiny
Because why not? We don't know what he's been doing. He has not been cleared. I don't see the reason to not put someone else in.
Cause they haven't been cleared either?
Sae we can finally get Double A killed? A captain who told me to me face tha' he didna' care if I was robbed of me righftully acquired plunder an' blood-money? Any time! (an' I won't be chargin' ye a Csargo price)
I believe I said I didn't care if you robbed anyone else, I just wanted to know what you were up to. Your rates for information were rather high (ie: anything at all) for someone who claimed to be concerned with finding the French.
The last 10 minutes or so I've seriously contemplated resigning and sailing away with my meager patch of gold. Damn thieves.
But I'll stick it out, for better or worse.
I owe it to AA for giving me a position on a leap of faith so here goes.
I quite thoroughly believe NotJimRV and Double A are town. I've chatted with them a fair bit in private and whilst there is some lack of communication (mostly on NJ's part and I wouldn't be against him stepping down but heavily against his lynch) every chat with them has been free flowing and natural, neither have seemed like mafia in private - or in thread if I'm honest.
Now, NJ and myself can only be French if we were blind converted N1 or started French. I know I'm convertible because I'm the basic town role - no specials. The French have highly likely been sticking to group actions so far this game so conversion chances mean litle - but we also have had less chance than most to be converted and Double A has not had a chance to be converted.
NJ could've pushed a tiny bit harder to be captain and he would've got it. I did all the pushing for him and I don't even know his alignment - if he was French he could easily have gotten it himself. He also has a good tone and seems pretty unconcerned with trying to look good.
AA has already been mentioned.
That's part 1.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 03:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=xTFTogqv0Us
I think we agree on NJ stepping down - but I heavily believe him and AA are town.
I would like to move to First Mate and we can bring in someone else as Quartermaster.
Vote: Zack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk5Rb_jMkKY
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 03:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMxd-krjvOw
El Barto
10-08-2015, 03:42
I agree. NotJim let the ball slip hard, and that doesn't fly with me. Unfortunately, I'm also pretty sure he's town.
Then whip him inta shape!
There wasn't a single opportunity for me to turn French, by my reckoning.
'Cept at birth, ye means. ;)
I believe I said I didn't care if you robbed anyone else, I just wanted to know what you were up to. Your rates for information were rather high (ie: anything at all) for someone who claimed to be concerned with finding the French.
Rates fer information? What mean ye? I be concerned wiv' treasure. Make me an officer an' I'll find ye some French.
Double A
10-08-2015, 03:45
The last 10 minutes or so I've seriously contemplated resigning and sailing away with my meager patch of gold. Damn thieves.
But I'll stick it out, for better or worse.
I owe it to AA for giving me a position on a leap of faith so here goes.
I quite thoroughly believe NotJimRV and Double A are town. I've chatted with them a fair bit in private and whilst there is some lack of communication (mostly on NJ's part and I wouldn't be against him stepping down but heavily against his lynch) every chat with them has been free flowing and natural, neither have seemed like mafia in private - or in thread if I'm honest.
Now, NJ and myself can only be French if we were blind converted N1 or started French. I know I'm convertible because I'm the basic town role - no specials. The French have highly likely been sticking to group actions so far this game so conversion chances mean litle - but we also have had less chance than most to be converted and Double A has not had a chance to be converted.
NJ could've pushed a tiny bit harder to be captain and he would've got it. I did all the pushing for him and I don't even know his alignment - if he was French he could easily have gotten it himself. He also has a good tone and seems pretty unconcerned with trying to look good.
AA has already been mentioned.
That's part 1.
Vanilla townies aren't convertible by default. It's random, I believe.
None of the back and forth so far today has been particularly convincing. NotJim's decision not to scan either the Captain or the Quartermaster was rather questionable, but he's come off as more town than not to me and it doesn't feel like sufficient grounds to lynch him (replace him, maybe). As for the accusations against the captaincy team, it seems like they're based mostly on NotJim's scan choices? At any rate, I don't see any reason to mutiny in the foreseeable future. So, for want of any new information, back to what I was up to yesterday:
vote: TheFlax
Very much avoiding attention with his posts, unaccounted for over the past two nights (to the best of my knowledge), out of the blue vote on spaceman D2 that comes off as rather curious in hindsight.
What were you up to in the previous night (given you say that you missed N3)?
The French have highly likely been sticking to group actions so far this game so conversion chances mean litle - but we also have had less chance than most to be converted and Double A has not had a chance to be converted.
Flawed. Anyone doing protection can equally not being doing it. There is no way to tell unless the person is attacked.
vote: TheFlax
Very much avoiding attention with his posts, unaccounted for over the past two nights (to the best of my knowledge), out of the blue vote on spaceman D2 that comes off as rather curious in hindsight.
What were you up to in the previous night (given you say that you missed N3)?
My votes are pretty much based on feeling and little analysis, as I have a hard time wrapping my head around large games, doubly so when they add special mechanics.
As for N4, I offered to join any vig group that wanted me in the QT, I then tried to be part of a protection group by PM and when nothing was forthcoming either way, I guarded my gold. (Most of which I cannot prove, I know)
seireikhaan
10-08-2015, 06:41
It may well be that at this point the town offices or network ranks have been compromised by the scum
Whaaaaaaaaat? No way.
but until you three have been more-thoroughly accounted for, I can't countenance an internal inquisition.
Uh huh.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 06:52
I notice you haven't expressed much interest in the actual group that vigged you. It includes Zack, to be sure, but the rest were basically low-rankers.
Grumpiness is not a productive method toward anything in particular.
Double A
10-08-2015, 06:55
it is if you're a cat owner and want internet points
seireikhaan
10-08-2015, 06:59
I notice you haven't expressed much interest in the actual group that vigged you. It includes Zack, to be sure, but the rest were basically low-rankers.
Grumpiness is not a productive method toward anything in particular.
While I thank you for being forthwith, it's ultimately up to the people who're actually alive to determine their own course of destiny. I was deemed to be on the out, so let the people on the in figure out what they've messed up.
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2015, 07:10
Checking in.
I have a long flight today, so please excuse me for most of this day phase.
Vote: Zack
I am not being coerced to make this vote. I could be persuaded to vote elsewhere for any gold amount.
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2015, 07:11
PS I am sort of a freelance scoundrel at the moment, and openly so, but it seems the French are unwilling to purchase my services.
As such, they are officially a bunch of poopypants. I may have to start becoming a lot more loyal to this crew as punishment.
Any gold amount? Would zero gold do the trick?
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 07:28
Any gold amount? Would zero gold do the trick?
In that case:
Pizza, pay me all your gold to vote yourself.
:clown:
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 07:34
This is literally false. We've told you our actions.
I not be talkin about actions. I be talking about results.
Our First Mate can investigate the crew, which is the most powerful tool we be havin to findin them Frenchies around!
Throwin people in the brig can also be helpful, but the Xiahou episode showed that it can also backfire.
To me these actions have been random at best and what the Captain be doin at night beside counting his gold, I'm not sure about.
So to me our Officers have been gettin rich on plunder while we are no step closer to finding the French.
I can only hope NotJimRV scanned someone good last night.
Also, yeah I been robbed last night, 11 gold are missin.
Another thing, Lissa were not in the brig when she was killed, did you try and fail Visor or throw someone else into the brig?
I not be talkin about actions. I be talking about results.
Our First Mate can investigate the crew, which is the most powerful tool we be havin to findin them Frenchies around!
Throwin people in the brig can also be helpful, but the Xiahou episode showed that it can also backfire.
To me these actions have been random at best and what the Captain be doin at night beside counting his gold, I'm not sure about.
So to me our Officers have been gettin rich on plunder while we are no step closer to finding the French.
I can only hope NotJimRV scanned someone good last night.
Also, yeah I been robbed last night, 11 gold are missin.
Another thing, Lissa were not in the brig when she was killed, did you try and fail Visor or throw someone else into the brig?
If I threw someone else into the brig you think they would've claimed don't ya?
Random at best?
Who would you have suggested hmm?
You're an opportunisitic lad aren't ya.
NotJim did not scan anyone useful - GeneralHankerchief he's also requested a sub so Dcmort or Myrdraal or someone might be subbing in for him.
Scanned choxorn and sprig.
He's been hard to get a hold of the last couple of days - I don't think its game related.
Is anyone going to give a reason for voting me? I'm lost, and the PMs I'm getting are making it even more confusing.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2015, 07:40
I've already contacted dcmort to see if he'd be willing. Should he agree, I'll sub him in immediately.
-edit- Myrddraal would be next in line.
Is anyone going to give a reason for voting me? I'm lost, and the PMs I'm getting are making it even more confusing.
I was going to, gimme a bit.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 07:43
I'm going to state this publicly:
If NotJim is not competent to continue his duties, then I insist that I am named an officer in the reshuffle.
Okay as it stands:
Your weird refusal to vig GoldenKnight.
Your bad vig targets last night.
Your attempts at trying to score a position and throw likely town members out of the job to put in unscanned - not very townie individuals
Your reads don't seem very natural or reasonable to me. Seems more like you come up with a target and then the reasons.
etc
etc
I also distrust Ishmael as well, who is clearly around and following but isn't doing much to find the french, yet participating in every night order.
Sprig and choxorn are actually fair scans actually.
I'm going to state this publicly:
If NotJim is not competent to continue his duties, then I insist that I am named an officer in the reshuffle.
Why?
Your ludicrous tunnel on Andres and basically no desire to look at anyone else is rather surprising.
I thought you were townie initially, no more.
I distrust most of the game to be honest.
AA and NJ are my biggest town reads.
Tonight, the vig group should be lynching lurkers.
I suggest hitting GoldenKnight and Autolycus.
I would suggest Sprig for a position as I have a slight town lean on him - mostly because he has been posting.
Okay as it stands:
Your weird refusal to vig GoldenKnight.
Your bad vig targets last night.
Your attempts at trying to score a position and throw likely town members out of the job to put in unscanned - not very townie individuals
Your reads don't seem very natural or reasonable to me. Seems more like you come up with a target and then the reasons.
etc
etc
I also distrust Ishmael as well, who is clearly around and following but isn't doing much to find the french, yet participating in every night order.
Sprig and choxorn are actually fair scans actually.
Is this a joke? wtf?
Why on earth did you not want to vig goldenknight?
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 07:51
Why?
Your ludicrous tunnel on Andres and basically no desire to look at anyone else is rather surprising.
I thought you were townie initially, no more.
Tunnel? I've more-or-less been ignoring Andres since N2, and have tried to get at other individuals numerous times both privately and publicly.
I've understood that my unsolicited advice is of little value as it conflicts, so I put in the hard grunt work to build my record.
Is it strange that now I would like a position in which to exercise my discretion, especially given the demonstrated weakness of the present executives?
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 07:52
Tonight, the vig group should be lynching lurkers.
I suggest hitting GoldenKnight and Autolycus.
This is utter foolishness.
Why on earth did you not want to vig goldenknight?
Because I worked with him on a vigkill n2 (which I told you during n2) and have no reason to suspect him?
Tunnel? I've more-or-less been ignoring Andres since N2, and have tried to get at other individuals numerous times both privately and publicly.
I've understood that my unsolicited advice is of little value as it conflicts, so I put in the hard grunt work to build my record.
Is it strange that now I would like a position in which to exercise my discretion, especially given the demonstrated weakness of the present executives?
What would you do as Quartermaster then? PM me if you don't feel like posting in thread - but tell me what you think then.
Because I worked with him on a vigkill n2 (which I told you during n2) and have no reason to suspect him?
So? Night actions don't clear anyone generally.
Landlubber worked with the vig group as well yet you had him killed.
What has GK done that is so townie and landlubber not?
So? Night actions don't clear anyone generally.
Landlubber worked with the vig group as well yet you had him killed.
What has GK done that is so townie and landlubber not?
I have already explained why I found landlubber suspicious. I already said I didn't see anything wrong with GoldenKnight and I thought there were better targets. Apparently that makes me French.
Kagemusha
10-08-2015, 07:54
I'm going to state this publicly:
If NotJim is not competent to continue his duties, then I insist that I am named an officer in the reshuffle.
Wouldnt you like that you Frenchie, you.
Wouldnt you like that you Frenchie, you.
Is there a mutineer you haven't called french?
GeneralHankerchief
Are we allowed to quote all PMs from you, or just Role PMs?
What about autolycus then? Thoughts on him?
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2015, 07:57
GeneralHankerchief
Are we allowed to quote all PMs from you, or just Role PMs?
PM incoming.
Kagemusha
10-08-2015, 08:00
Is there a mutineer you haven't called french?
This is what i thought during 29th of last month:
You bunch, dont have to look further then to Monty, Ice and spaceman and possibly Visor. There you have your frenchies, apart of course the wannabees waiting to be converted.
Monty set up a hoax protection group for Visor and put Ice there so he could hide his inactive scum buddy. The attack against spaceman was never meant to succeed as it was also one man short on purpose. Me thinks Visor is either part of the same frenchie gang, or wannabe as he allowed Ice to be hidden in the protection group and did not attack him, like the other inactive TFT. There you have it. There are your enemies, at least for those who are not sorry enough to want to serve them.
Ive said my piece and now im ready to leave this misery. At least i will end my days as pirate and not a slave to Frenchmen.
There. Be done with it.
What about autolycus then? Thoughts on him?
Why would you suggest auto and not flax?
This is what i thought during 29th of last month:
I could have sworn you said I was French somewhere. Huh. I appreciate your honest, leveal-headed response to my sarcastic question.
Why would you suggest auto and not flax?
Because I have plans for flaxy. Big plans.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2015, 08:04
Alright folks, I'm going to bed and will be unreachable for the next several hours.
Appreciate the level of discussion but let's try to make sure that it doesn't turn nasty like it did the other night. I'll address all clarification issues and will continue to make progress on any outstanding administrative duties I have in the morning.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 08:05
Visor, why haven't you shown any concern for the actions of Gaius and JHT, who aren't even nominally part of the over-group? Why, despite your assurances, has the Captain not provided his own body toward the night actions?
The whole strength of the over-group lies in:
1. Delineating the night-actions of all its members.
2. Assimilating or destroying all non-members.
3. Isolating the weakest links in the over-group once it encompasses all remaining players.
An over-group network is the essence of spreadsheeting to victory, yet you persist in shaping it in such a way as to negate its advantages.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 08:07
You bunch, dont have to look further then to Monty, Ice and spaceman and possibly Visor. There you have your frenchies, apart of course the wannabees waiting to be converted.
Gee whiz, by those lines I have to be the Frenchman himself, brutally bussing all his minions.
It sure sucks I've lost the game by recruitment, but maybe if I can get to a 3-way lynch and convince the Captain to vote the 3rd guy I'll win the traditional way and...
wait, but how am I gonna pilot this ship on my own? :shocked:
I don't want to spreadsheet this game!
And I simply don't care about the actions of Gaius and JHT. I don't care about a lot of things in this game at the moment. :laugh4:
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 08:10
That's fine, but the alternative to Easy Mode isn't Nightmare Mode. Don't magnify the exact weaknesses of this network.
I'm working in a middle ground here.
We have a large number of people who are always generally accountable for something.
Yes, Gaius and JHT need looking at. We could perhaps lynch one today.
I'm more interested in stopping an absolute defeat by attempting to throw out three very likely townies from the power positions.
I'm more interested in stopping an absolute defeat by attempting to throw out three very likely townies from the power positions.
Translation: "I love my power and how everyone in power is under my thumb and don't want to give it up"
Is it nice in Snark City? How's the weather?
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 08:42
I don't want to spreadsheet this game!
And I simply don't care about the actions of Gaius and JHT. I don't care about a lot of things in this game at the moment. :laugh4:
Well if the Officers not be caring, this makes it hard, no?
If you're not interested in finding the French, what are you interested in? Raking in the money? Why did ye block Lissa, when it was obvious she be killed? What good did this do? What information did the blocking give you? Also what has the Captain been doin the last few nights?
I don't care for mutiny, I only care for two things: Safety and Loot! I want a Captain and Officer that can provide both. Protect the crew from the French, by getting rid of them and don't sit on your income and do nothing with it!
Kagemusha
10-08-2015, 08:44
Gee whiz, by those lines I have to be the Frenchman himself, brutally bussing all his minions.
It sure sucks I've lost the game by recruitment, but maybe if I can get to a 3-way lynch and convince the Captain to vote the 3rd guy I'll win the traditional way and...
wait, but how am I gonna pilot this ship on my own? :shocked:
Im sure you already have new recruits, but eliminating you as a threat would do no harm for the town, or do you claim somehow unexpendable?
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 08:46
Im sure you already have new recruits
So I personally killed my pirates yet also have managed to recruit? Pretty strong role right there!
do you claim somehow unexpendable?
No one is un-expendable.
Well if the Officers not be caring, this makes it hard, no?
If you're not interested in finding the French, what are you interested in? Raking in the money? Why did ye block Lissa, when it was obvious she be killed? What good did this do? What information did the blocking give you? Also what has the Captain been doin the last few nights?
I don't care for mutiny, I only care for two things: Safety and Loot! I want a Captain and Officer that can provide both. Protect the crew from the French, by getting rid of them and don't sit on your income and do nothing with it!
Christ mate, I've posted near 200 times and talked to plenty of people! I might say I don't care but just cause I haven't interoggated everyone doesn't mean I really don't.
I just can't summon the enthusiasm to go knocking on everyones door like I do a lot of the time.
I am interested in finding the French so I'll ingore that. I didn't block Lissa. I protected BSmith. I said I blocked Lissa to goad the scum into potentially targeting BSmith (if he was town and not a godfather or whatever).
The Captain has been protecting his gold at night as far as I'm aware. A common Captain move, and one not to unexpected considering I've been stolen from the last three nights and so has NJ I assume.
Your arguments are utterly false and based on nothing?
Give me an example of me sitting on my arse!
Here is an accounting of everything I've done this game. I am not holding anything back, but I am also not going to apologize for anything, even though some of it might make me look bad. I have nothing to hide, and I will stand by and defend every last move I made.
Role PM(s):
GH accidentally sent me the wrong PM initially (the default able seaman):
Your role is:
Able Seaman (townie)
““This is definitely a pirate adventure. Pirates pillage. Pirates steal. Pirates take advantage.”
~ Rupert Boneham
Set sail! After a chaotic retreat from New Tortuga, you and the rest of the men aboard the Presence have found yourself with a massive haul of treasure (and without a Captain, but we won’t go there). However, there are enough old salts aboard to know that this large of a bounty never comes without any complications. If things stay true to form, these complications will most likely come in the form of the Frenchman, who’s been after the Presence for years. He is as wily as a fox and will never stop trying to get his ship back so long as he is alive. You’re going to have to be ready for anything and work together if you want to make it to Nassau to spend your loot… but you also see no harm in increasing your own share, either. You weren’t expecting a moral dilemma when you joined this particular crew, were you?
Your goals: You have two main goals, each of which is equally important.
First of all, you want to eliminate every last threat on board the Presence. Naturally, this threat comes mainly in the shape of the Frenchman but there could be other enemies looming…
Secondly, you want to acquire as much gold for yourself as possible. While there will most likely be a winning faction on Pirate Ship Mafia, in essence there can only be one *true* winner, and that’s whoever has the most gold. However, you will also score well if you survive and stay on board period, accumulate a lot of treasure before dying, or abandon ship with a lot of treasure and the Presence crew ends up losing.
You will not score so well if you die early on, abandon ship with little treasure, or abandon ship and later witness the Presence crew win.
If there is a Presence victory, the game will end the first night after all outside threats have been eliminated.
Powers: Each night, you may perform one of the following actions:
- Sleep. This means you will do nothing for the night. However, still sending in the order will net you a small gain in treasure.
- Protect a target with a group of at least three people, including yourself. The chances for a successful protection increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful protection. You will be awarded the full amount of treasure if the target is still alive at the end of the night, even if he or she is not attacked.
- Kill a target with a group of at least four people, including yourself. The chances for a successful kill increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful kill.
- Individually steal gold from a target of your choice. You will receive anywhere from 5-20 gold, unless your target is guarding his or her gold.
- Choose to guard your (or someone else’s, see below) stash of gold. Should anyone try to steal from gold the nights you are guarding, they will be unsuccessful and you will have a good chance of knowing who stole from you.
- New for Pirate Ship Mafia III: As a supplementary action, you may designate someone else to guard your gold for you (if you are guarding someone else’s stash it is still the only thing you are allowed to do at night). However, be careful with whom you trust: Anyone you designate to guard your gold will instead have the opportunity to steal from you instead and take a large amount of gold from your own stash. Only one person is allowed to guard an individual stash of gold.
- If offered an event by me, you may choose to take part in that event as opposed to your normal night actions. Further details will follow in my “event” PM.
- Abandon Ship: Leave the Presence with all of your treasure. Abandoning ship means you depart the game permanently, so choose wisely when you do this.
In addition, you may perform the following actions during the day:
- Vote to determine who will walk the plank.
- Vote for a new Captain on Day 1 and whenever else it is necessary.
- In addition to this, you may also try to remove the Captain by voting for a mutiny. The proper way to do this in the thread is Vote: Mutiny. If 50% or more of living players vote for a mutiny, the Captain is removed from his position and executed along with whoever has the most votes. You automatically gain 10 treasure for a successful mutiny, plus the Captain’s entire stash of gold is evenly divided up among mutineers. In addition, only those who mutinied will be eligible to select the next Captain.
At any time, you may privately send me a Will detailing who your treasure goes to in the event of your death. You will automatically lose 50 treasure upon dying, but you can dictate who that treasure goes to, if anybody. Wills will only be considered valid if they are sent to me/updated at least three hours prior to your death.
Furthermore, you are allowed to transfer small amounts of treasure between crew members. The caveats to this are that is a maximum 10 treasure per person per day, the transfer must be for services rendered, and the services must be publicly available (in other words, no breaking the game by pooling all of your gold into one source). All transactions must be confirmed to me via PM by both parties.
Finally… good luck!
Base gold: 100
He quickly corrected his mistake and sent me my actual role:
Apologies, the previous PM I sent was inaccurate. You are a slightly buffed version of the Able Seaman.
Your role is:
Able Seaman (townie)
“Let’s jump on board and cut them to pieces!”
~ Edward “Blackbeard” Teach
Set sail! After a chaotic retreat from New Tortuga, you and the rest of the men aboard the Presence have found yourself with a massive haul of treasure (and without a Captain, but we won’t go there). However, there are enough old salts aboard to know that this large of a bounty never comes without any complications. If things stay true to form, these complications will most likely come in the form of the Frenchman, who’s been after the Presence for years. He is as wily as a fox and will never stop trying to get his ship back so long as he is alive. You’re going to have to be ready for anything and work together if you want to make it to Nassau to spend your loot… but you also see no harm in increasing your own share, either. You weren’t expecting a moral dilemma when you joined this particular crew, were you?
Your goals: You have two main goals, each of which is equally important.
First of all, you want to eliminate every last threat on board the Presence. Naturally, this threat comes mainly in the shape of the Frenchman but there could be other enemies looming…
Secondly, you want to acquire as much gold for yourself as possible. While there will most likely be a winning faction on Pirate Ship Mafia, in essence there can only be one *true* winner, and that’s whoever has the most gold. However, you will also score well if you survive and stay on board period, accumulate a lot of treasure before dying, or abandon ship with a lot of treasure and the Presence crew ends up losing.
You will not score so well if you die early on, abandon ship with little treasure, or abandon ship and later witness the Presence crew win.
If there is a Presence victory, the game will end the first night after all outside threats have been eliminated.
Powers: Each night, you may perform one of the following actions:
- Sleep. This means you will do nothing for the night. However, still sending in the order will net you a small gain in treasure.
- Protect a target with a group of at least three people, including yourself. The chances for a successful protection increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful protection. You will be awarded the full amount of treasure if the target is still alive at the end of the night, even if he or she is not attacked.
- Kill a target with a group of at least four people, including yourself. The chances for a successful kill increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful kill.
- Individually steal gold from a target of your choice. You will receive anywhere from 5-20 gold, unless your target is guarding his or her gold.
- Choose to guard your (or someone else’s, see below) stash of gold. Should anyone try to steal from gold the nights you are guarding, they will be unsuccessful and you will have a good chance of knowing who stole from you.
- New for Pirate Ship Mafia III: As a supplementary action, you may designate someone else to guard your gold for you (if you are guarding someone else’s stash it is still the only thing you are allowed to do at night). However, be careful with whom you trust: Anyone you designate to guard your gold will instead have the opportunity to steal from you instead and take a large amount of gold from your own stash. Only one person is allowed to guard an individual stash of gold.
- If offered an event by me, you may choose to take part in that event as opposed to your normal night actions. Further details will follow in my “event” PM.
- Abandon Ship: Leave the Presence with all of your treasure. Abandoning ship means you depart the game permanently, so choose wisely when you do this.
In addition, you may perform the following actions during the day:
- Vote to determine who will walk the plank.
- Vote for a new Captain on Day 1 and whenever else it is necessary.
- In addition to this, you may also try to remove the Captain by voting for a mutiny. The proper way to do this in the thread is Vote: Mutiny. If 50% or more of living players vote for a mutiny, the Captain is removed from his position and executed along with whoever has the most votes. You automatically gain 10 treasure for a successful mutiny, plus the Captain’s entire stash of gold is evenly divided up among mutineers. In addition, only those who mutinied will be eligible to select the next Captain.
At any time, you may privately send me a Will detailing who your treasure goes to in the event of your death. You will automatically lose 50 treasure upon dying, but you can dictate who that treasure goes to, if anybody. Wills will only be considered valid if they are sent to me/updated at least three hours prior to your death.
Furthermore, you are allowed to transfer small amounts of treasure between crew members. The caveats to this are that is a maximum 10 treasure per person per day, the transfer must be for services rendered, and the services must be publicly available (in other words, no breaking the game by pooling all of your gold into one source). All transactions must be confirmed to me via PM by both parties.
Finally, you are stronger than many men on board and thus you can defend yourself better than a lot of these scurvy landlubbers. Any time a minimum group of players attacks you, you stand a 50% chance of survival. This ability does not expire. Good luck!
Base gold: 100
Here's the QT (http://quicktopic.com/51/H/Y2ZukRi4RC8) most of you already have access to by this point. I post in it 57 times. Notice the increasing frustration with Kagemusha as Captain and the buildup to my decision to vote mutiny in the thread. Notice making Double A the new captain was actually my idea, not Visor's. Notice my early suspicion of Lissa. Notice I did not organize any night actions, instead following orders, until last night, when I filled out the groups BSmith had already started making.
Night 1:
I will attempt to kill TFT,
along with BSmith, Sprig and Ishmael.
Your kill attempt on TFT was successful.
Gold: 115
As you can see from the QT, I was following Visor's orders.
Night 2:
I, along with Sprig, Ishmael, and Golden1Knight, will kill seireikhaan.
I give Sprig five gold for his participation.
I, along with Sprig, Ishmael, and Golden1Knight, will kill seireikhaan.
I give Sprig five gold for his participation.
I am also working with BSmith on this kill.
Your kill attempt on seireikhaan was successful.
Gold: 129
Since we were the only successful vig group from Night 1 with everyone showing up, the other members wanted to work together the next night. BSmith was in contact with GoldenKnight, vouched for him, and sent him to work with us in his place while he did his own thing. At the insistence of some in the group, not me, we did not tell anyone what we were doing except Visor, who asked BSmith to join us, and he did, for his own reasons. Again, the kill succeeded and everyone showed up.
Night 3:
Steal from Ice.
With Lissa, spaceman98, and choxorn, I kill Andres.
Your kill attempt on Andres was unsuccessful.
Gold: 144
No one was organizing anything, so I initially sent in an order to steal from someone whose gold I knew would be unprotected. At some point in the QT, Monty asked myself and the others listed to vig Andres, and I sent in the orders because why not, I want to kill someone every night if I can. Once again, everyone showed up, although the kill did not work.
Night 4:
I (Zack), along with El Barto, BSmith, choxorn, and Montmorency, kill landlubber.
Your kill attempt on landlubber was successful.
Gold: 162
I organized the groups in the QT, but secretly sent out a PM scrambling the actual groups around. I made it very clear well before the night even started that I thought both targets were strong candidates for French. I did not mention that I also wanted to test for any blocking shenanigans or people backing out of killing their teammate (which is why I was so hard on insisting someone like Ituralde - who gave a lame, vague reason for not being on board with the kill - go through with the kill). As is the trend with kills I'm involved in, everyone showed up and delivered.
Here are some notable PM conversations I've had (which are few, I haven't had much contact with others via PM):
October 7, 9:57 pm
Can You Smell It? (sent to Zack, Double A, Visorslash)
The irregulars can: Weakness.
You're letting me down, fellows.
I don't really understand what you and visor were alluding to in the thread or here
Y'all have to tell me, how it's gonna be.
don't make me copypaste Tengger Cavalry lyrics at you
October 7, 12:47 pm
I noticed that you feel most-strongly about the Lissa vig, yet you have the least-reliable (or least-communicative) mates assigned to her group.
One of them is even express in his opposition to the vig.
What's up?
Might be kill-resistant and is in the brig anyways, and I want to see who (if anyone) backs out of the kills and who their target was. The list of participants was made pretty much randomly, I assigned people who had already been participating in vigkills.
October 5th, 8:54 pm
Dinnae post in ye quicktopic, mon, jis' select a quintet o' people fer each o' whichever two amongst Lissa, spaceman98 an' landlubber in seckret an' tell jist them wham ta attack. Tha' way they dinnae ken wha be attackin' them an' cannae roleblock. At worst, if they hae any protective abilities, they gets away wiv only wan o' them twa survivin' an' we lynches the other.
This advice be free o' charge, incident'lly. ;)
October 5th, 12:12 am
Have you heard of anyone else being "roleblocked" like Lissa was n1? I think it's been long enough, that excuse is total BS.
Also how did NotJim scan Bsmith as "town" last night?
Part o the role
So the investigations work differently than the FM in pirate ship mafia 2?
is that why you're voting lissa?
Second scan determine alignment
No
October 2nd, 12:33 am
Yes. Lynch Xiahou because there's a chance that the frenchman has more starting gold. Let's ignore anyone else that might have a highly suspicious role setup.I'm not ignoring it Khaan. Believe me.
Is this referring to khaan/BSmith or something else?
Bsmith yeah. He pmed me wanting to organise a vig group to kill the player who wanted the stuff.
Probably will off BSmith sometime soon though.
October 1st, 11:18 pm
What were the officers and captain up to last night?
Xiahou started with 150 gold.
How do you know his starting gold?
Is there reason to believe the French would start with more gold?
Quartermaster power. Double A successfully got my number of gold when he threw me in the brig.
Occurs to me that Kage could will it to Xiahou - but why Xiahou over Andres?
You scanned his current gold then? Because that's not what you said.
I scanned his current gold - its 200, I did some maths and worked out he must've started with 150.
Unless someoen willed their gold to him, or there is some gold trading going on in private which sounds weird.
September 30th, 10:10 pm
Is it the same role as last game?
Yep. No changes that I can see.
Surprised I got the role to be honest. I actually pushed you as a candidate and he was leaning you.
Did he say why he picked you instead? I mean it's fine, obviously I have no will towards you or anything. I was expecting him to pick me or you as first mate and someone that was neutral-ish as the quartermaster.
I assume the option to leave the cap vulnerable is still there?
Mostly organising vigs/mutiny iirc
He seemed to like NJ as town so he's first mate, I'm not gonna complain I don't see anything wrong with him.
And yeah its an option this game.
This is the part where I reveal to you that I'm actually a cool third-party who wants the captaincy, and asks you if you and Jim would be on board with letting me kill Double A
unfortunately I am not that role
You're triggering my ptsd
I totally would have been on board with you if I wasn't the captain. I like helping third-parties and neutrals, especially since soooo many people treat them the same as mafia.
What's up with Pizza this game? He's been <f> weird.
Yeah, thats sorta why I made the Inq. a survivor. And because I got lynched d1 as a survivor here. :laugh4:
Yeah Pizza has been weird. We've had some very weird reads, he's put stock into scummy business. I talked to him a bit in private before he knew what I was doing and his tone changed abruptly once he knew.
You heard from him?
Haven't talked to him at all.
Outright declaring that you don't give a :daisy: about the French and only want gold is lame. I can't believe him and Andres have the audacity to call us boring, though it shouldn't be a surprise - there were also rumblings of "Captain Boring" last game, because <f> me for trying to play this like a mafia game.
You were captain boring to me! :laugh4:
Yeah it is, only going for gold is sorta lame.
I've had a ton of fun already this game, I helped lead a mutiny, vigged people, how the hell are we boring lol
I know I don't get it. I'm wondering if Andres just doesn't like me. If you look in the sign-up thread, my "in" post is the only one he didn't thank lolI actually checked the signup thread and I did see he liked mine which is mildly suprising.
Might not like your 'style', I guess.
Yeah idk. I've always kinda felt a little unwelcome to varying degrees at the org. :shrug:I've felt unwelcome in most places. Then they acclimatise to me and learn to tolerate. :laugh4:
Csargo might be caught out here.
September 27, 11:03 am
Send to: Zack, Landlubber and Golden1knight)
Hello Lads!
Could you three protect Double A the coming night? I will pay you each a extra gold if he is attacked and you successfully protect him.
cheers,
Kage
Alright, I'll do it.
Officers already have innate protection. Why would Double A need protection?
Officers only have 50% protection and it is crucial to keep them alive, or do you disagree Zack?
I do disagree, they're easily replaceable. Literally anyone can step into their place. In any case, I'd be shocked if Double A (or any officer) was attacked tonight. I don't know about the first game, but IIRC an officer was never attacked in the last game, and I can see why - people don't want to try and off someone with guaranteed 50% protection, they'd rather go for a higher-percentage kill.
And checking the replacement officers dont take resources at all? Ok. So i take you dont want to protect Double A. Can i ask then what you deem important enough or should i mind my own business?
So, are we going to do it? Apparenty Zack is reluctant, but lets wait for Landlubber. There is plenty to do for everyone.
I'm not going to spend the night protecting someone who already has protection. Not worth my time.
September 26, 9:01 am
Putting together a CFC strike force for killing folks. Interested?
Intrested, though so far, nothing in thread pings me strongly for who to kill, except possibly Xiahou for this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053658983&viewfull=1#post2053658983), since Andres had no chance of being elected at that point. But that's a very weak case. Are you sure vigging at this early stage is wise? Anyone specific your thinking of targetting
Also, BSmith approached me with a similar offer. You two should get in touch
September 25, 12:24 am
Got any plans for the night? I'm offering my services if you or someone you know needs more warm bodies
Do you want to kill people?
I'd be up for it, although I don't have a target in mind.
September 24, 11:26 pm
Putting together a CFC strike force for killing folks. Interested?
Sir! Reporting for Team CFC Strike Force Duty, Sir!
September 24, 2:15 pm
It’s never too early to start planning ahead. I am looking for some partners to work with this evening. Do you have any interest, and what would you like to do? I’d personally like to kill some Frenchmen… what say you?
I already agreed to work with Visor and the Aussies, but I think Club Kill is close to having enough members to open up an American division. I'll ask choxorn and spaceman if they're interested.
Very good. For openness sake, I also copied Visor and spaceman on my original message, so they have seen the same request.
September 23, 11:56 pm
I'm trying organise a killing crew. Would ye be interested?
<f> yeah
yarr
the initial group was going to attempt to be sprig, gaius, ishamel, notjim (the all australian (sprig is honorary australian)) but more players make it more likely to suceed + they might not want to kill or something
welcome to club kill
right let me go put some shrimp on the barbie
bonza mate
watch out for the dingoes cobber
As far as I'm aware of things: NotJim will be stepping down as First Mate, I'll be moving to First Mate and we'll be bringing in a Quartermaster - we haven't decided who yet.
What have you done to prove you should get a promotion?
Khaan wasn't supposed to know I knew about his group! Bad Zack. :laugh4:
I did struggle mightily with that decision - I almost protected Khaan that night.
What have you done to prove you should get a promotion?
Well - I've got pretty good tone and post count which is a good indication of my town game.
I've not sought to seek control of all the players and know what they're up to - which I would if I was French.
All my actions are in thread (except the BSmith protection which can't be confirmed but I can quote the skype logs and PMs if necessary).
I can not have been converted except for blindly N1.
And a bunch of other stuff.
I'm also not going to betray AA, been a supporter of him most of the game - and I've heard rumours of a mutiny behind my back (which is hilariously asking for the terms we were going to do anyway).
Zack, are you interested in helping to vig Autolycus and GoldenKnight?
Well - I've got pretty good tone and post count which is a good indication of my town game.
I've not sought to seek control of all the players and know what they're up to - which I would if I was French.
All my actions are in thread (except the BSmith protection which can't be confirmed but I can quote the skype logs and PMs if necessary).
I can not have been converted except for blindly N1.
And a bunch of other stuff.
How many french have you found? How many townies are dead because of you?
Why them?
Auto is a known scum lurker - he's done nothing but the bare minimum in thread.
GoldenKnight is similar - both have done nothing. How are we supposed to get reads on these people?
Culling lurkers is good because it forces people to be more active - and well ORg/cfc has a lot of scum lurkers.
How many french have you found? How many townies are dead because of you?
Dunno how many french have been found. We only just started getting results. Well, Seriei through non action - but you deliberately lead that, Kage - but I have no regrets on that front. TFT - but he was inactive so he was frenchlite anyway, Ironside - I guess.
You can't lay the vigs squarely at my feet.
How many french have you found? How many townies are dead because of you?
This is also a ridiculous argument to peddle.
This is also a ridiculous argument to peddle.
It's the argument you're using to vote me.
And I noticed you said nothing about your ability to find and eliminate french among your qualifications
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 09:17
I will note that if someone is a lurker in-thread, but is known to participate in supervised group-actions, then they shouldn't be targets of first priority.
GeneralHankerchief
Since Zack posted a bunch of PMs I assume skype logs and all that are also fair game?
I will note that if someone is a lurker in-thread, but is known to participate in supervised group-actions, then they shouldn't be targets of first priority.
Bah lurker scum should be thrown to the sharks.
Thats where they hide. Send in the order every night, do the bare minimum in thread by day.
dcmort93
10-08-2015, 09:21
Bah lurker scum should be thrown to the sharks.
Thats where they hide. Send in the order every night, do the bare minimum in thread by day.
Bu.. bu.. but... I've been lurker scum...
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 09:22
I be strongly against the promotion of Visorslash. I told you before that I am not fully trusting you. I would prefer for not NotJimRV to scan you, before you are put in office. Theres few things worse than having the position of First Mate compromised.
Double A
10-08-2015, 09:24
I'm also not going to betray AA, been a supporter of him most of the game - and I've heard rumours of a mutiny behind my back (which is hilariously asking for the terms we were going to do anyway).
I know right
I'd like to know who's replacing notjim before giving his job to someone else. If they're a historically active and strong player, as replacements tend to be, I don't really see a reason to boot out someone who is probably town just so they can get killed or converted.
I be strongly against the promotion of Visorslash. I told you before that I am not fully trusting you. I would prefer for not NotJimRV to scan you, before you are put in office. Theres few things worse than having the position of First Mate compromised.
Tell me Ita, why do you not trust me?
Tell me VALID reasons for calling me french!
You don't have the benefit of meta with me, so this will be from a neutral perspective.
Tell me, what have I done to make you not trust me!
I know right
I'd like to know who's replacing notjim before giving his job to someone else. If they're a historically active and strong player, as replacements tend to be, I don't really see a reason to boot out someone who is probably town just so they can get killed or converted.
DCmort judging by his post in thread.
Well i wouldn't say no to a promotion i will make it clear that i fall on the 'zack is more townie that Visor' side of the line. Though your recent posts have been more townie visor.
I also echo curiosity in the choice of Golden and to a lesser extent autolycus. Golden has played ball, I see little reason put forth why he is suspicious or deserving a vig.
For openness this is who I would target next:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
johnhughthom
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Choxorn
TheFlax
Montmorency
autolycus
Ishmael
Ituralde
El Barto
Golden1Knight
Csargo
Double A
Visorslash
Zack
BSmith
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 09:35
Tell me Ita, why do you not trust me?
Tell me VALID reasons for calling me french!
You don't have the benefit of meta with me, so this will be from a neutral perspective.
Tell me, what have I done to make you not trust me!
I already told you via PM. French scum either be hidin around and lurkin or going the other rout. Being so active, they can't possibly be French.
And in general nobody should be trusted. We're all pirate scum, remember? You shouldn't trust me either, that's why I think you should be scanned. Ideally then you would scan the person, who scanned you. Only way to be sure!
Mybe BSmith would be good as a confirmed First Mate? But then he was high on my suspicion list for general lurking French behaviour, so him being innocent caught me by surprise.
While we're at lurking French. Vote: Golden1Knight.
This be a Day phase after all.
You've been one of the names we've tossed around fwiw Sprig. You posting is a good sign at least. :laugh4:
Mybe BSmith would be good as a confirmed First Mate? But then he was high on my suspicion list for general lurking French behaviour, so him being innocent caught me by surprise.
its a good point and one I've been thinking over. Certainly makes sense if he doesn't want a position either.
seireikhaan
10-08-2015, 09:39
Khaan wasn't supposed to know I knew about his group! Bad Zack. :laugh4:
I did struggle mightily with that decision - I almost protected Khaan that night.
I mean, it was kinda obvious. I may not be smart, sir, but if there is one thing I am probably not, it is an idiot.
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 09:40
its a good point and one I've been thinking over. Certainly makes sense if he doesn't want a position either.
Well it looks like we can agree on something then.
I already told you via PM. French scum either be hidin around and lurkin or going the other rout. Being so active, they can't possibly be French.
And in general nobody should be trusted. We're all pirate scum, remember? You shouldn't trust me either, that's why I think you should be scanned. Ideally then you would scan the person, who scanned you. Only way to be sure!
Mybe BSmith would be good as a confirmed First Mate? But then he was high on my suspicion list for general lurking French behaviour, so him being innocent caught me by surprise.
While we're at lurking French. Vote: Golden1Knight.
This be a Day phase after all.
You can't hide behind that excuse forever. Give me a firm read. What do you think I am?
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 09:48
You can't hide behind that excuse forever. Give me a firm read. What do you think I am?
I not be hidin! It's me gut feelin, is all I have. If I had more you be the first to know. I am not able to scan people.
Yes but you can still have reads on them. Tell me, do you think I am town?
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2015, 09:54
I'm heading out for the remainder of the day, won't be back.
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 10:01
Why you be carin so much? You are not me main suspect and I don't think this back and forth helps finding the French.
Me gut tells me to look at: Gaius, Golden1Knight, Ismhael, johnhughtom, TheFlax. I hardly heard a word from some of them.
Because you've been wishy washy on me all game.
Take a stance. What am I.
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 10:26
Probably town, maybe French.
:laugh4:
One word mate.
Town or french. Go.
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 10:41
Yeah, I think we wasted enough time on this. You have my answer. At this point in the game nobody is 100% town or 100% french to me. Well except for TFT, Kagemusha, Ironside and seireikhaan that is.
You already wassted one day on the 1 Gold discussion with Xiahou and now you're doin this? It's really not helpful and I won't post further on the matter.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 14:01
At this point in the game nobody is 100% town or 100% french to me. Well except for TFT, Kagemusha, Ironside and seireikhaan that is.
And yourself, sir?
:on_huh:
I think a good course of action over the next few days would be for NotJim/dcmort to clear visor tonight (double scan if that is how it works this game). Once Visor is clear, move him into the FM role, and then move NotJim/dcmort to the QM role. Visor would then clear Double A then the QM. After that he can scan choxorn and sprig again to clear them (assuming the scans transfer).
As for me, I’ll go with vote: johnhughthom for today. I’d also like to set up a team for tonight. I want to work with the following people:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Csargo
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ituralde
johnhughthom
TheFlax
If you are on that list please let me know if you will work with me tonight. If not tell me what you plan on doing otherwise, privately if you prefer. I would prefer to vig and am open to public input on who the vig target should be.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 15:25
Vote: JHT
If we're so opposed to lurkers, let's get this one out of the way ASAP.
Double A
10-08-2015, 15:38
I think a good course of action over the next few days would be for NotJim/dcmort to clear visor tonight (double scan if that is how it works this game). Once Visor is clear, move him into the FM role, and then move NotJim/dcmort to the QM role. Visor would then clear Double A then the QM. After that he can scan choxorn and sprig again to clear them (assuming the scans transfer).
Basically my plan.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2015, 15:58
GeneralHankerchief
Since Zack posted a bunch of PMs I assume skype logs and all that are also fair game?
As per the rules, chat logs are allowed, but they can't be in screenshot form. Has to be copypasted text.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2015, 16:05
Effective immediately, dcmort93 has replaced NotJimRV.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-08-2015, 16:25
I can understand why my name has come under some scrutiny, but I can reassure you all that I have been trying to protect consistently over the last few nights, changing to guarding my own meagre pile of gold, only if the plan falls through. Since none of the protections which I have been involved in have been tested, I have no proof of my integrity. As such, I am happy for the opportunity to work with BSmith, and have told him so in private.
As for those whose names are coming up, I'll admit that I'm unconvinced by Ishmael...
Vote: Ishmael
Special offer: I'll pay someone 5 gold if they tell me who to vote and why.
Anyone fancy an extra vote and extra money?
Golden1Knight
10-08-2015, 17:07
Well, it seems that some of you are suspicious of me.
Maybe it's my fault, I had little involvement in the last events and posted even less, but I assure you that I am townie. Scan me and you will see that I speak the truth. You can block me too, if you guys think that I might try something. If you guys still want to kill me, because I am regarded as a lurker or whatever, I humbly ask you to allow me to leave the ship.
Obviously I'd rather stay in the game, but I realize that I am under serious risk of being lynched and, if not, maybe I'll be killed at night. While we're at it, is there any other reason to distrust me? I would like to end your doubts about that old pirate.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-08-2015, 17:32
Unofficial Tally
Ishmael 3 (Curio; Visorslash; TheFlax)
Johnhughthom 1 (BSmith; Montmorency*)
DCMort 1(Csargo)
Zack 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
TheFlax 1 (Ishmael)
GoldenKnight1 1 (Ituralde)
Andres 1 (Montmorency)
Mutiny 1 (Csargo)
*As far as I can tell Montmorency did not unvote.
I could be wrong, apologies if I am.
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 17:47
I'm curious Monty, two nights out of four my group hasn't decided on a target quickly enough and done our own thing, yet you only question my activity?
edit: That was in answer to a post of yours a few pages back, not your vote on me. A vote on me based on my day activity, or lack of. You seem to have a lot of information on what is going on at night, why are you voting based on day activity? If I was French I don't think I'd be able to convert during the day.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 17:53
I'm curious Monty, two nights out of four my group hasn't decided on a target quickly enough and done our own thing, yet you only question my activity?
edit: That was in answer to a post of yours a few pages back, not your vote on me. A vote on me based on my day activity, or lack of. You seem to have a lot of information on what is going on at night, why are you voting based on day activity? If I was French I don't think I'd be able to convert during the day.
Sorry, what are you asking?
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 17:59
Sorry, what are you asking?
I was replying to this:
Gaius, Andres, and JHT - no more laying low. Given last night's activity, it would make sense to conclude that the French team has been spending most of its efforts on town group-actions throughout the game - but for some loose ends, namely you three.
Asking why I was the only member of the group I'd been working with all game who's activity you'd called out. Rereading it now, I see you do mention another.
I stole 20 gold from Andres last night. So he clearly wasn't guarding it, not sure if he's made a claim elsewhere.
Sorry about that Andres.
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 18:02
OK, I see.
As far as I understood, you and Gaius maintained the core of your group while Pizza and Csargo went off to their individual ends. In other words, I have relatively-little on you two's claimed activities, and the information I do have is some of the least verifiable among all claims.
Andres, were you stolen from?
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-08-2015, 18:07
@Monty: you appear to have slightly misread last night's events: Csargo asked us to protect Lissa; I was uneasy; JHT didn't respond - it fell through. Csargo didn't act individually from choice. He would have preferred the three of us to act together. When I saw it wouldn't work out, I acted alone.
Edit:: It would appear JHT did likewise.
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 18:09
I read Csargo's orders too late, otherwise I would have joined the protection.
autolycus
10-08-2015, 18:14
Auto is a known scum lurker - he's done nothing but the bare minimum in thread.
Visorslash, I'm a known lurker regardless of my affiliation, especially in the early game, which we're just exiting now.
Vote: Gaius Scribonus Curio, you say you were uneasy about protecting Lissa, so what did you do instead? johnhughthom's claimed theft from Andres, which is easily confirmed, so that leaves you as the unknown of the protection group csargo tried to form.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-08-2015, 18:16
I stole some gold from Visorslash.
autolycus
10-08-2015, 18:23
Visor, and andres, please confirm that you were stolen from.
unvote: GSC
That leaves TheFlax and johnhughthom, to the best of my knowledge, not accounted for (not counting our inactive First Mate, who's getting replaced, and our captain). I was trying to work with TheFlax early on, and I didn't get much of a scum vibe from him, so vote:johnhughthom
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 18:26
So... you are unvoting GSC because he has an unverified theft claim to vote for me because I have an unverified theft claim. :laugh4:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-08-2015, 18:31
:laugh4:
In fairness, Visor did note earlier that he was stolen from, but I don't think that autolycus noticed that.
autolycus
10-08-2015, 18:31
:laugh4: Right, because I started by removing you, then when I went down the list of living players, I forgot to remove you again. unvote:johnhughthom
vote:theflax, what were you doing last night?
I was replying to this:
Asking why I was the only member of the group I'd been working with all game who's activity you'd called out. Rereading it now, I see you do mention another.
I stole 20 gold from Andres last night. So he clearly wasn't guarding it, not sure if he's made a claim elsewhere.
Sorry about that Andres.
I was stolen from last night. 15 gold, not 20.
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:laugh4: Right, because I started by removing you, then when I went down the list of living players, I forgot to remove you again. unvote:johnhughthom
vote:theflax, what were you doing last night?
See here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053662196&viewfull=1#post2053662196)
Ituralde
10-08-2015, 21:20
This all be way too confusin for a simple pirate such as meself! I be drinkin Rum for now on, so don't expect me to make any sense!
(OOC: I'm out of town for the weekend. Tapatalk will keep me up to date, but I will probaly do no more than the bare minimum.)
El Barto
10-08-2015, 21:20
:laugh4:
One word mate.
Town or french. Go.
Or third party. Gae.
Vote: JHT
If we're so opposed to lurkers, let's get this one out of the way ASAP.
Be ye French or no'? Why kill someone wiv such a decent name as john?
Special offer: I'll pay someone 5 gold if they tell me who to vote and why.
Anyone fancy an extra vote and extra money?
Vote fer yersel'! It be bonus fun. I knows, fram experience.
In fairness, Visor did note earlier that he was stolen from, but I don't think that autolycus noticed that.
Arrr, autolycus be focused on his own game, reely.
El Barto
10-08-2015, 21:21
This all be way too confusin for a simple pirate such as meself! I be drinkin Rum for now on, so don't expect me to make any sense!
(OOC: I'm out of town for the weekend. Tapatalk will keep me up to date, but I will probaly do no more than the bare minimum.)
Ye warns of a future absence an' pramises ta post fram a cellphone? Wha' be this? vote: Ituralde (an' on top, yer location states tha' ye be Imperial!)
Montmorency
10-08-2015, 21:31
Be ye French or no'? Why kill someone wiv such a decent name as john?
My name is Mont-mo/RRR/ency.
John, why the discrepancy?
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 21:40
John, why the discrepancy?
No idea, just double checked my result pm and it says I stole 20 gold from Andres. :shrug:
El Barto
10-08-2015, 21:43
Methinks tha' Andres might've earned some money, or else he be told exactly how much all transactions've earned him. In tha' case, mayhaps the GM made a mistake.
dcmort93
10-08-2015, 22:00
Alright, so I've been doing my best to keep up with the thread, and GH has given me a pretty good idea of my own past and the game in general. However I want to hear you guy's thoughts on things, and particularly from O' Captain My Captain.
At any rate, lets catch those Frenchie bastards!!
:duel:
However I want to hear you guy's thoughts on things
Everyone but me is wrong.
johnhughthom
10-08-2015, 22:07
And Zack is the wrongest of us all.
El Barto
10-08-2015, 22:14
Alright, so I've been doing my best to keep up with the thread, and GH has given me a pretty good idea of my own past and the game in general. However I want to hear you guy's thoughts on things, and particularly from O' Captain My Captain.
At any rate, lets catch those Frenchie bastards!!
:duel:
You pay me, I does stuff fer ye.
Everyone but me is wrong.
If ye pays enough, I'll buy tha'.
Unvote:, Vote: Abstain
Unvote:Mutiny
Everyone but me is wrong.
Well that's just disconcerting.. I've just been telling everyone that you're right... But if i'm wrong?
Vote:Golden1knight
You sound suspicious.
BSmith
I am interested.
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