Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Csargo]

If you would like to see the PM logs which led me to conclude that this idea was worth it, he's essentially a confessed scumbag in those PMs, without saying it explicitly.

I'd like to see.

[Montmorency]

No, that was already understood.

Respond to the literal wording I quote there. It implies that someone would be checking how much gold you have as compared to your N5 count.

If you say it's just poor phrasing, I'll leave it alone - half a day of rage-against-the-machine has exhausted me.

[Visor]

No, that was already understood.

Respond to the literal wording I quote there. It implies that someone would be checking how much gold you have as compared to your N5 count.

If you say it's just poor phrasing, I'll leave it alone - half a day of rage-against-the-machine has exhausted me.

Its Rage Against the Visor - I don't see AA or DC fronting up too much. :laugh4:

I feel the same way, don't worry.

[Visor]

Monty. Ignore myself, AA and DC.

Who do you think is french.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Listening to AA/DC? That's my favorite band.

If only we could begin acting like a more organized and cooperative group of townies, we'd all be back in black. But instead, we're on a highway to hell. I know I've done dirty deeds, but it's a long way to the top.

[Montmorency]

It should be no surprise by now that I would name JHT and Andres as prime lynch-feed.

I agree that Ishmael and probably Gaius need to die, but its more economical to vig them. (Also note that lynch is typically more lethal or successful than vig, and if Andres was actually saved D2 by virtue of a get-out-of-lynch-free card, it should be gone now.)

[Visor]

I have no idea why he was saved D2.

We NEED information and flips.

[dcmort93]

Vote: Ishmael

I can solve this whole mess this next night phase by scanning Visor. Simple as that. Not susceptible means one of two things. Either he was French before his promotion or he was town that can't be converted.

Honestly right now it seems to me like we have the town split right up the middle and holding cutlasses at each other's throats. Chances are there's one of those Frenchie bastards hiding out on either side so the best we can do is just work with what we know which is that Ishmael is 99% scum.


If only we could begin acting like a more organized and cooperative group of townies, we'd all be back in black. But instead, we're on a highway to hell. I know I've done dirty deeds, but it's a long way to the top.

[Ituralde]

I be drunk, but I hear Ishmael and French a lot, so for being active vote: Ishmael.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So I hear you be payin' money for services rendered, eh?

You might want to keep me around then, and in a pinch, ye may want to hire me for a task, or a vote, or something along those lines.

I will definitely keep that in mind. For now, if you are part of or learn of a vig group against me tonight I am willing to pay you 2 gold for the details of the group's composition.

You may be in luck.

The organization of vig groups tonight is a ******* disaster. Visor is probably going to include me in the group against you. :laugh4:

The group isn't even full yet. I'll pull my attack so it fails.

But this is non-negotiable- don't scan me for recruitableness, don't recruit me.

My long term plan is to be made an officer, be fully scanned as a townie, and then I'll be able to sabotage a lot more than a vig group for you.

They need to fully scan me, so making me a french guy means I die, pronto. So avoid that.

Also look, guys, that stuff will mean serious gold needs to flow in my direction. 2 gold at a time won't cut it.

And since you're dead anyway, Ishmael, this is just delaying the inevitable. But you've got allies and they need to know who to call in a pinch.

If you want to set up a quicktopic so I can converse with your anonymous partners after you die, set it up.

That way we can two-way communicate safely.

If they want to just contact me directly, they can. Just make sure I'm good and paid and you got yourself a man on the inside.

I've been just neutral enough and openly pirate-like that I can pass for non-recruit material and offering to be fully scanned is my ticket to being trusted.

See? It's already been discussed, too. So, this is your big chance. Work with me and your team will prosper.

Leave me out in the cold and I'll have to become a loyal drone for the establishment, or leave the ship with my gold to ensure I'm not spite-recruited.

Let's work together.

Sent to Ishmael



Admiralhankerchief,

Askthepizzaguy, Captain Double A, Golden1Knight, and Montmorency will be joining together to attack Ishmael tonight!

____

Additionally, I shall be paying a fee of 3 gold coins to each of Golden1Knight and Montmorency for this action.

If I can only pay one per the rules, I shall pay Montmorency tonight and settle my bill with Golden1Knight tomorrow.

(I haven't paid anyone squat yet this game, hope to not have to again)

Gimme the 6 gold that I had to pay to cover this group, and we'll discuss more tomorrow. Ok?

I am not holding you hostage. You work with me and I'll work with you. Offer a reasonable amount and I'll work for you because the townies have been a bunch of cheapskates.

What I'll really be doing is stealing gold from the captain, so I have an alibi, if cornered.

I'll say that you paid me more than Visor was offering, which was 3 gold.

But, I'll offer to be scanned etc. And this will only happen if they think I was the one who pulled the attack, which I doubt.

Sent to Ishmael



AdmiralHankerchief-

Askthepizzaguy is deliberately not going to show up for the vigilante group, despite my previous order.

I will honor the payments made to Golden1Knight and Montmorency as per the rules.

Askthepizzaguy will instead be stealing from Captain Double A tonight

There you go. It's all done, I'm not even waiting for payment.

I'd appreciate it, but like I said, I'm working with you, not holding you hostage. 6 gold is what I am paying to attract men to my group as opposed to another.

I think that's reasonable to make this work, and, it's not asking anything for myself. I'll get what I need from the Captain who is foolish enough to leave his gold unguarded to kill you.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH





So I hear you be payin' money for services rendered, eh?

You might want to keep me around then, and in a pinch, ye may want to hire me for a task, or a vote, or something along those lines.

I will definitely keep that in mind. For now, if you are part of or learn of a vig group against me tonight I am willing to pay you 2 gold for the details of the group's composition.

You may be in luck.

(SNIP see above.)

Let's work together.

The two gold is for the information only - I am willing to pay a more serious amount for pulling your participation, or alternatively joining a protection group if that proves necessary. I'm happy to provide adequate recompense for services rendered.

As for longer term plans, if I survive the night we can see how things develop. Again, I am very much keeping your offer in mind.

Now, it was fairly obvious he was guilty, this shouldn't swing anyone's opinion that hadn't already settled on it.

But, it convinced me that he was worth expending some energy trying to be a mole.

It didn't work out, but, it was worth a shot.

He's interested in more than just his own survival. Duh.

Also, my goodness, but I acted so scummy. I sound like a townie who wants very much to assist a scumbag and get on his good graces.

The only question left in your minds-

Was I being serious about it, or duplicitous?

Only Pizzaguy knows for sure. And sometimes even I can't tell.

[Montmorency]

Listening to AA/DC? That's my favorite band.

If only we could begin acting like a more organized and cooperative group of townies, we'd all be back in black. But instead, we're on a highway to hell. I know I've done dirty deeds, but it's a long way to the top.

You see, when I read the N5 writeup I was completely thunderstruck; I had no choice but to consider that the scum had been shaking us all game long. And we all know about dirty deeds, but they don't come dirt-cheap this late in the game, so mutiny seemed like the only hope for those about to rock the plank. I just couldn't keep a stiff upper lip when the house was on fire. After all, if I kept beating around the bush then there would be no one left to carry us home to sin city.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no idea why he was saved D2.

We NEED information and flips.

I think he's one of the most entertaining players ever to grace this vessel.

Bah and humbug on those trying to kill him off.

You already got Kage, Xiahou, and Seireikhaan. You forced Ironside of the ship. If anyone could make me feel like there was someone out there who still knows how to live, and wouldn't get bogged down in the petty squabbles, and I could never quite figure out, it would be Andres.

And he actually cares about gold, oh, what Pirates we used to be, who cared about the gold.

I think all the bickering and public feuding has kept him from being interested in conversing with us, but what do I know. I'm just a fan, I'm not his spokesperson.

When I say "you" I mean the generic others on this vessel, not you specifically.

[Montmorency]

I can solve this whole mess this next night phase by scanning Visor. Simple as that. Not susceptible means one of two things. Either he was French before his promotion or he was town that can't be converted.

In other words, it tells us nothing, so please don't do it.

[Visor]

Its highly likely the two french lieutenants are scannable otherwise wtf is the point of the scan.

So it means I have to be either the frenchman exactly (who happens to be a gf) or town. Shock and or horror

[Montmorency]

I think all the bickering and public feuding has kept him from being interested in conversing with us, but what do I know. I'm just a fan, I'm not his spokesperson.

When I say "you" I mean the generic others on this vessel, not you specifically.

That's not the Andres I remember. :cry:

[Ishmael]

I can confirm the PMs ATPG posted are accurate. Given that it appeared his willingness to pull out of a vig group against me was contingent on his belief that I was French, I saw no reason to disabuse him of that notion. I wanted to survive yesterday, I wanted to survive last night, and I certainly wouldn't object to surviving today and beyond.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can confirm the PMs ATPG posted are accurate. Given that it appeared his willingness to pull out of a vig group against me was contingent on his belief that I was French, I saw no reason to disabuse him of that notion. I wanted to survive yesterday, I wanted to survive last night, and I certainly wouldn't object to surviving today and beyond.

Then pay me more money! Jebus, it's not that difficult.

The town is obviously in disarray and I'm finding this quite profitable so far.

I'm not exactly what you'd call a "subtle" person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My Vote Ish For Sael.

[Montmorency]

Honestly, Ishmael said nothing incriminating in those PMs.

An average Joe might as well react that way if he was contacted out of the blue by a crook looking to score a drug deal - or, yes, a kingpin by a hackneyed excuse for an undercover agent.

That chain shouldn't have an impact on anyone's evaluation either way, I agree on that point.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I agree that Ishmael and probably Gaius need to die.

Hang on, why? I am trackable through my nocturnal activity for at least the past three nights.

N3: I stole from Visorslash; N4: I stole from Visorslash again and acquired a 'fancy cutlass' that he claims to know nothing about; N5: I attempted to work with BSmith et al. only for noone to show up.

Vote: Ishmael for now: I remain unconvinceed by your protestations of innocence.

[Montmorency]

GeneralHankerchief

If a First Mate were to scan a scumbag performing a scan or a conversion, would the result state that clearly or would it be obfuscated in some way?

[Montmorency]

I figure it this way, if we're lynching Ishmael, Visor, then focus the scan and the block on JHT and Andres.

And get the vig-teams cranking ASAP.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Honestly, Ishmael said nothing incriminating in those PMs.

And for 2 gold I'd agree with that assessment. But for now, I'm not paying devil's advocate, I'm being paid by.

[dcmort93]

In other words, it tells us nothing, so please don't do it.
Oh I think so too, but it seems to me like just about everyone's complained at some point that they don't know the alignment of the Leadership. If less people complaining means more cooperation than I see it as a necessary waste.

Otherwise if enough of us can come to that conclusion as a whole, we can get to more productive efforts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I figure it this way, if we're lynching Ishmael, Visor, then focus the scan and the block on JHT and Andres.

And get the vig-teams cranking ASAP.

The Andres suspicion, I truly don't get it.

He's been under suspicion and also acting in a way that generates zero alibi, in a game where you can avoid suspicion by being a good little duckling and following mother duck.

I mean, that's anywhere near the top of your suspects list? Might just be one's bias against townies who aren't as active or organization-oriented.

Also the inertia of that accusation never resolving itself causes it to snowball, imo.

The Andres suspicion bores me.

He's even willing to do actions for coin, why not do that? Pay him to do stuff?

I paid two folks to do stuff last night and they actually showed up to work. Now, combine those people with other paid workers and va-va-voom, now you have a crew of workers who actually do their jobs effectively.

Perish the thought

[Montmorency]

He's even willing to do actions for coin, why not do that? Pay him to do stuff?


I paid two folks to do stuff last night and they actually showed up to work.

One of them was me, and I would have done it regardless of the 3 coins in the air. :laugh4:


The Andres suspicion, I truly don't get it.

Yet he's not dead, and he votes nuts. If not scum, then he might as well be some crazy vagrant who stowed away when we left port, at this point.

But I do respect some of your evaluation, which is why I would accept him only being L2-scanned tonight.

[dcmort93]

@GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)

If a First Mate were to scan a scumbag performing a scan or a conversion, would the result state that clearly or would it be obfuscated in some way?
I would assume it would be something like "person X did Y". Last night all I was told was that Visor threw someone in the brig, but no direct indication of who.

[Montmorency]

Also, of course, he has refused to do paid actions at other times, and the one time he agreed to do group-work, it was for free, and it turned out he "forgot to send orders" anyway...

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Ishmael

Like 99% French.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, of course, he has refused to do paid actions at other times, and the one time he agreed to do group-work, it was for free, and it turned out he "forgot to send orders" anyway...
OK well I wasn't aware of that.

I would probably grant him a look the other way on forgetting to send orders. I'm really good about that and I almost forgot to send orders a couple nights so far.

[Visor]

GoldenKnight you knew you had the cutlass to start with right?

How could I have the cutlass from GoldenKnight if I've never stolen from him or interacted with him? Are you telling porkies gsc?

I've also never been informed of a cutlass and didn't start with one either so what's your angle here?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

For clarity the full exchange with GeneralHankerchief, I don't think I'm breaking any rules here.





You managed to steal XX gold from El Barto.

You find yourself in possession of a fancy cutlass. You're not quite sure how it got there, but it's in your stash nonetheless. You can choose to hold onto it or pass it along to someone else. Note: You must hold onto your item for at least one night phase. You may pass it along to anyone else in the game besides the Captain. It is up to you whether or not to tell anyone about this.

Gold: XXX

Que?

For all I'd like to keep the sword, I sought to rob Visor, or is the PM I receieved accurate...

You have the cutlass regardless, I do know that. As for the other issue, will check when I have my spreadsheet in front of me in a few hours.

Okay, my mistake. :sweatdrop: You stole from Visor, not El Barto. Amount is the same, you still have the cutlass.


There is no angle here - I am genuinely confused as to why you had a fancy sword. As I mentioned to you in private, I thought at first that you may be the Frenchman, but he is well-known to carry a rapier. I'm more concerned with proving to everyone that my own actions are verifiable and that I am not the Frenchman or a starting associate.

The question remains, why do you think you had the sword, or do you have an ulterior motive or role?

Unvote: Ishmael

[GeneralHankerchief]

GeneralHankerchief

If a First Mate were to scan a scumbag performing a scan or a conversion, would the result state that clearly or would it be obfuscated in some way?

My my, that's certainly an interesting question. :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, due to positive but underwhelming feedback in favor of an extension, you're getting three additional hours. The new timer is as follows:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm using the time wisely.

Right now, I'm drinking twice as much grog as Andres. :barrel:

I might die in the next several minutes...

[Zack]

vote johnhughthom

[Montmorency]

My my, that's certainly an interesting question. :yes:

I request a sample PM representing the sort sent to a First Mate who scans a player that is guarding their own gold. :creep:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Request denied. :evilgrin:

[Csargo]

Vote: Mutiny

Unvote:, Vote: jht

[Montmorency]

I don't feel up to a mutiny anymore.

Unvote: Mutiny

But for the sake of my comfort, let's please just lynch JHT here, OK?

That way, if tomorrow's writeup lends more evidence towards a deep-cover scum network, it should still technically be possible to mutiny and get rid of all scum.

What's the tally?

[Csargo]

Awwww

[Csargo]

Unvote, Vote:Ishmael

[Montmorency]

Awwww

[Choxorn]

Vote: Ishmael

[Csargo]

Tally:

8 johnhughthom:(Zack, Visorslash, Montmorency, Ishmael, Golden1Knight, autolycus, BSmith, El Barto)

5 Ishmael:(ATPG, Ituralde, Choxorn, dcmort93, GSC)

1 Golden1Knight:(Andres)

Abstain:(Csargo)

Unvote, Vote:Abstain - Canceled because I edited post. Missed El Barto's vote on jht.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

No point sitting on the fence.

Vote: Ishmael

[Csargo]

Unvote: Ishmael, Vote:Abstain

[johnhughthom]

Unvote

[El Barto]

The french are obviously not susceptible and he throws someone in the brig every night. Hardly clearing.
As dcmort's said, we's should have him scan wee Visorslashie, meanwhiles, we needs someone tae use th' brig, savvy? Double A be nowheres ta be seen so where would we get a new Quartermaster, I asks.

Vote: Ishmael

Like 99% French.
This be completely unexpected, so why be ye changin' yer vote all o' a sudden?

[Visor]

unvote; vote: jht

[johnhughthom]

I have a robe, it means nothing so far as I'm aware, and I've had it from the start. Wouldn't want any false hope that it means I'm French.

[El Barto]

A robe, ye say? Why be ye wearin' a robe? There ain't no baths around here.

[Csargo]

A robe, ye say? Why be ye wearin' a robe? There ain't no baths around here.

He be a wizard!

[El Barto]

An' I sees he have a thunder-shaped scar! He be either a great wizzard er a AA/DC fan like atpg!

[Ishmael]

An' I sees he have a thunder-shaped scar! He be either a great wizzard er a AA/DC fan like atpg!

Rincewind?

[dcmort93]

An' I sees he have a thunder-shaped scar! He be either a great wizzard er a AA/DC fan like atpg!
Ayye!!! He be thunderstruck by AA/DC's awesomeness. Makes rockin away on these rough seas a bit easier.

[Csargo]

Unvote:Abstain, Vote:Ishmael

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[El Barto]

Rincewind?
Tha' would be the man also known as Jan van de Rijnswind, greatest Flemish navigator an' blockade-runner.

Ayye!!! He be thunderstruck by AA/DC's awesomeness. Makes rockin away on these rough seas a bit easier.
An' the current cap'n be takin' us along a highway ta hell -where be that scallywag?

Unvote:Abstain, Vote:Ishmael
How quaint.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 6

This, by all accounts, was the day that Ishmael was supposed to die. He had survived a trip overboard the previous day by the skin of his teeth. He had fended off an attack at night. The Quartermaster - easily the most vocal person aboard the Presence - was gunning for his head. In no way, shape, or form, was Ishmael to see another sunrise.

And yet...

As the day progressed, a growing discontent amongst the remaining sailors emerged. Where was the Captain? What had he been doing at night? Why was the Quartermaster speaking for him? Where was the supposedly rock-solid evidence that the ship's officers were loyal to the Presence? Where was the evidence that Ishmael was with the Frenchman? What on earth was with that plan designed to infiltrate into the French circle of trust? And why wasn't anybody offering gold for services (that last one in particular concerned El Barto)?

And so, on the sixth day, a funny thing happened aboard the Presence. Ishmael lived, again. Not through some last-minute bartering, as he did the previous day. Instead, he lived because the crewmen by all accounts had turned on their officers. Fed up with the perceived lack of transparency, disenchanted with the strategy pursued, the crewmen hadn't been riled up enough for a second mutiny - yet. They did, however, repudiate the choice of Ishmael as a lynch in favor of someone who nobody seemed to know what he was doing at night: johnhughthom.

"Be ye serious?" the veteran sailor called out. "But what about - oh, hellfire, what be the point?" john had been around ships long enough to know that once the crew had made up its mind, there was no changing it.

"Better save me breath for the swim ahead," he muttered to himself, and then, not waiting to be escorted off the plank, took a running start and dove off into the Atlantic below.

Day 6 tally:
johnhughthom: 8 (BSmith, Montmorency, El Barto, Golden1Knight, autolycus, Ishmael, Zack, Visorslash) :skull:
Ishmael: 6 (Askthepizzaguy, dcmort93, Ituralde, Choxorn, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Csargo)
Golden1Knight: 1 (Andres)

Mutiny: 1 (Csar)
Didn't vote: 3 (Double A, johnhughthom, Sprig)

It is now Night 6. Please send in your orders. Night 6 will conclude on Tuesday, October 13th, at 01:00 US Eastern Time.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3), johnhughthom (n5), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n5), autolycus (n5), Ishmael (n5)

Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)

Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)

Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)

Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5), johnhughthom (d6)

Souls aboard: (17)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
Montmorency
Sprig
Visorslash
Zack

[GeneralHankerchief]

I need another replacement player. Myrddraal, are you interested?

[El Barto]

Ye oughta contackt him privately. Thataway ye can get him an email notification.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ye oughta contackt him privately. Thataway ye can get him an email notification.

He last read the thread only a few hours ago, so I don't think he'll miss the notification. :yes:

[El Barto]

Here's hopin' fer tha'. :pleased:

[El Barto]

Wee visorslashie: yer box wiv the letters ‘in’ on it be too full, I cannae leave any letters nor used toilet paper.

[Visor]

Cleared.

[El Barto]

Aye, I's just dropped a freshly-used wad, I mean, a new message.

[Montmorency]

What kind of pirate uses toilet paper?

[El Barto]

Ar, mon, ye ever tried rinsing yer arse wi' seawater? We cannae all wait 'til we sees land, some o' us dinnae eat jus' rice like chinamen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you guys can handle Ishmael tonight...

Wait, what? He's still alive?

*laughs hysterically*

WHAT!??!? :laugh4:

Wow. I reserve my judgment for johnny boy huge thumb's flip, but I'm not holding my breath today was good for town.

See if I organize a vig hit on Ishmael again, for the purpose of not killing him. See how much I helped already? That's how much help I'll be for the foreseeable future.


...in other news

Double A, all I have to say is bwuh. Don't feel down on yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Predictions:

French victory before my corpse is stiff enough to identify as a loyal crewman, able seaman.

Unrelenting townie disogranization, with the exception of successful self-inflicted wounds.

Mutiny against a good Captain, if not a great one.

And someone deserving getting a third of my gold, for fighting so hard for town.

Au revoir.

[Montmorency]

Does this have something to do with JHT and Andres, Pizza?

[Montmorency]

:smash: circus

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does this have something to do with JHT and Andres, Pizza?

No, other than having warm feelings for both of them inexplicably, I haven't had all that much interaction with either of them.

Other than being put in a group with john by Gaius N1, which I then abandoned for my own aims, and talking to Andres and not getting a whole lot back, we've hardly spoken.

It simply has to do with the second rumor of my own demise, and I trust things will be much more organized this time.

:thumbsup:

No big loss, but there's only so many more townies that townies can kill before it's game over.

[Csargo]

Predictions:

French victory before my corpse is stiff enough to identify as a loyal crewman, able seaman.

Unrelenting townie disogranization, with the exception of successful self-inflicted wounds.

Mutiny against a good Captain, if not a great one.

And someone deserving getting a third of my gold, for fighting so hard for town.

Au revoir.

:soapbox:

[Double A]

johnhughthom: 8 (BSmith, Montmorency, El Barto, Golden1Knight, autolycus, Ishmael, Zack, Visorslash)
Ishmael: 6 (Askthepizzaguy, dcmort93, Ituralde, Choxorn, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Csargo)
are you goddamn serious

[Zack]

I love how the two people who sabotaged the Ishmael vig are whining about him still being alive

[Zack]

PM conversation with GSC from several days ago.




Are you sure? Because I didn't get a weird-ass message about possibly being recruited by Ishmael.

That has my attention, would you be willing to share - I have information which I can trade for it, which might show you: 1) I'm not likely to be French; 2) Visorslash might be French.
This is the message I got:


if you started town and still are, i'd be highly wary of being recruited by monty
He hasn't responded with this supposed information. I think it's either nonexistent or underwhelming. My response was before the full details of the message were revealed in thread and well before the vig attempt on GSC.

[Sprig]

Has anyone made a list of supposed night action taken so far?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Has anyone made a list of supposed night action taken so far?

I have!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Has anyone made a list of supposed night action taken so far?

N1- 4 man protect successful with GSC, Csargo, ATPG and JHT. 122 gold.
N2- Guarded my treasure, caught Ituralde in the act of thievery, mwahaha. 127 gold.
N3- Stole 6 gold from NotJimRV (now dcmort93) and saw Sprig attacking me by his lonesome. 138 gold
N4- Stole 11 gold from Ituralde. "Someone" stole from me as well, 146 gold.
N5- Stole 17 gold from our dearest Captain. (Kind of the crown jewel, wouldn't you say?) Ishmael paid me 6 gold to not vig him, which I solicited from him, and I paid 3 gold apiece to Monty and Golden1 for participating in that vig so they'd show up in the writeup. 168 gold.
N6- In a daring feat of total cowardice, I might just skip ship. Not that I don't have a lot of confidence in your abilities to find the French, guys.

Um....

I'm thinking about staying though. I haven't decided. There's bribery involved in keeping me here so I might just do that.

[Csargo]

Has anyone made a list of supposed night action taken so far?

Yeah.

[Csargo]

I have!

Can we compare notes? ~D

[Andres]

Since people are threatening me, my night actions so far:
N1: scanned Double A and Kage; results have been posted in thread
N2: I guarded my gold, nothing happened.
N3: I stole from Ishmael
N4: I'm too ashamed to say whom I stole from :shame: :grin: I'll tell after the game
N5: failed to send in orders due to RL.
N6: an opportunity presented itself :jumping:

My low level of activity in this game is due to RL :shrug:

A general comment: I wouldn't put too much trust in those eagerly following orders to join groups etc. I think scum is to be found among those who try very hard to look like obedient townies.

@Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872) : sorry for ignoring most of your pm's. It's not that I no longer love you, on the contrary. If only gold could buy me time.

[El Barto]

Can we compare notes? ~D
How many doubloons fer tha'?

[Double A]

I love how the two people who sabotaged the Ishmael vig are whining about him still being alive

:stare:

[Csargo]

:stare:

I for one, blame Visor. That being said jht wasn't a terrible lynch to be honest. Even though I don't think he was guilty.

[Double A]

Then why wasn't it terrible?

[Csargo]

Then why wasn't it terrible?

His night actions were blurry at best. Plus, how he plays makes it harder to get a good read on him imo. That combined makes him a decent lynch in my mind. I would have preferred to lynch Ishmael.

It's funny that you show up now to lambaste us though. I really enjoy that. :rolleyes:

[Montmorency]

ITURALDE YOU ARE ONLINE SEND YOUR GROUP ORDER NOW

[Montmorency]

Phew, at least there's one more hour than I thought.

https://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/desertSypglass/03c8b21fedb78f1c007aa5cfb6f6e120.gif

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 6 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

[Zack]

I'll have an order of fries.

[Zack]

Goddamn it, too late! :sweatdrop:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Having just woken up, the level of Angst over a simple lack of cc'ed orders from someone who has been eminently traceable is... disappointing to say the least.

Look to Monty for your Frenchman. The rest of the leadership simply seem to have been tken in...

[Sprig]

Having just woken up, the level of Angst over a simple lack of cc'ed orders from someone who has been eminently traceable is... disappointing to say the least.


How do you jump to that conclusion?

[Double A]

His night actions were blurry at best. Plus, how he plays makes it harder to get a good read on him imo. That combined makes him a decent lynch in my mind. I would have preferred to lynch Ishmael.

It's funny that you show up now to lambaste us though. I really enjoy that. :rolleyes:

And john always tells me I couldn't tell a joke if my life depended on it.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

We'll wait and see what has happened last night before I elaborate further. But, frankly, its all there already in the thread. If I have to spell every single thing out several times, then I don't really have the time...

[Zack]

Curio, what was that info you promised? Why would you not share it?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 6

Death was the watchword aboard the Presence on this night as it continued its northward sail to Nassau. Unfortunately for many of the enterprising sailors aboard looking to increase their share of the treasure, it was concentrated around one individual in particular.


Was the individual in question going to be Andres? Two crewmen certainly hoped so. Andres had survived a lot in the week since New Tortuga - a mutiny in which he was the First Mate and forcibly got removed, a vote amongst the mutineers solely to determine his fate, a couple of determined lynch efforts on his behalf, a hurricane, and an attempt on his life during said hurricane. In no way, shape, or form should Andres have been alive. This would be rectified tonight.

The two men looking to kill him approached his bunk below decks - and they were in luck! Andres was sound asleep, dead to the world, the blankets pulled over his entire body, including his face. They smirked, shaking their heads. Surely someone who had had so many brushes with death over the past week would have been more paranoid. Perhaps he would learn this lesson in the next life.

They raised their cutlasses, moved them into position over the sleeping figure, and stabbed them downward... but there were no cries of pain. Only a dull *fwuff* and surprisingly little resistance on the downward stab. This was odd. After a few more stabs and similar effects, the two sailors pulled the blanket off Andres - only to find pillows. Apparently Andres had been properly paranoid after all.


Was the individual in question going to be Ishmael? Ishmael certainly knew that some amount of crewmen wished for nothing more than his death. He had now thought he was dead meat three times over: Once on Day 5 when some last-second bartering had saved his hide, once the following night when he had fended off two attackers, and once the day after when he survived his second straight close vote. Ishmael did the math, and analyzed the patterns. He figured there was a good chance of him being in mortal danger tonight as well.

The four figures approaching him seemed to confirm this. Ishmael knew that now was not the time for guile or trickery. He would have to fight his way out of this. He drew his cutlass and assumed a fighting stance, ready to take his attackers head on...


Was the individual in question going to be Choxorn? Not if he had anything to say about it. After six nights aboard the Presence, Choxorn had seen enough. He had tried his hand at the pirate thing, doing whatever possible to increase his stash. He had seen his share of blood, and determined that it wasn't going to stop anytime soon. The officers looked entrenched, so there was no possibility of a mutiny, but by Choxorn's reckoning that also meant no possibility of the crew sailing into Nassau in one piece.

No, Choxorn was done with it all. It was a gamble, but no larger than some he had already taken. And, if the remainder of the voyage played out the way Choxorn thought it was going to play out, it was a pretty safe bet indeed. Standing on the starboard side of the ship, Choxorn paused for a moment to take in the cloudless night sky and the stars, embracing the moment. These were his last moments aboard the Presence, after all, and he wanted them to be a happy memory.

The moment over, he climbed aboard and took possession of one of the ship's remaining dinghies. Choxorn sailed off into the night, with his entire bag of treasure, towards parts unknown.


Was the individual in question either of the two men who had been sitting at the aft of the ship and chatting idly for the past hour or so? No, they were undisturbed, thus allowing their conversation to go in a number of directions. They talked about the ship, their piratical careers, their lives, their loves, the homes they abandoned to go pirate, and the things that really mattered to them.

As the conversation went on, the subjects grew deeper. They two men got into the subjects that was truly important to them, and one started going on about what he fought for and why he was doing what he was. Peppered with an accent far more refined than the typical brogue usually associated with pirates, one that suggested nobility, and combined with the passion of his cause, the first man spun a worthy argument indeed. By the end of the conversation, the second man became convinced that he was joining a worthy cause indeed. No longer loyal to the crew of the Presence, he set about on his new mission.


Ishmael had been fighting his attackers to a standstill for some time now, but all were tiring. The attackers, frustrated that four of them weren't able to finished one lone pirate off, had quickly grown more desperate in their attacks, which tired them out easily and swung the advantage slightly in Ishmael's favor. Despite this, though, he was still one facing off against four.

He was looking for something to even the odds, anything, no matter how dirty the trick. After all, pirates never played fair. After sidestepping a sure death blow, Ishmael started hacking at ropes at random in the hopes that enough stuff would come loose to even the odds.

Somehow, this was a success! A large block of wood attached to the mast came loose and swung heavily in the direction of the battle. Ishmael, seeing it coming, ducked. The other four did not. After a loud CRACK and then four smaller *thud*s, Ishmael, not believing his luck, slinked back below decks.


Was the individual in question Gaius Scribonius Curio? A lone guardian angel certainly hoped not, as he had been watching over him in the brig all night. They heard the tromping become louder and louder, and nodded to each other. It was time to get ready.

"Open up!" said the tromper. "It be time for yer date with Davey Jones, Curio!"

"Not a chance," said Curio, drawing his cutlass and kicking open the brig door off its hinges. His guardian joined, and it was two-on-one. The attacker, expecting the numerical advantage and not the other way around, put up a fight for a while, but soon realized that these odds were not what he had bargained for, and retreated upon the first opportunity that presented itself.

"Right," Curio said to his protector, nodding, "what be next? I'd rather not stay in this brig all night to die."

"Then you can die right outside it instead!" This was a new voice, laced with purpose and confidence. Its owner stepped out of the shadows and charged straight for Curio, cutlass raised. Curio was barely able to parry in time, and the new fight was on. Once again, it was two-on-one in favor of Curio, but this attacker was not so easily dissuaded. He expertly kept Curio's protector out of the fight, essentially nullifying his contribution to the battle and making it a true duel.

After several minutes of this and the protector getting more and more frustrated, Curio had seen enough. "Run, get help! I'll hold him off!" The protector looked to protest for a moment, but seeing how ineffective he had been, grudgingly obliged and took off. Curio, for his part, now that he didn't have to worry about the safety of anyone else, fought with more vigor and purpose of his own.

The battle raged outside the brig for an unknown amount of minutes. The distortion of time was truly in effect, as Curio believed he had been fighting for hours, waiting for help to come, when in reality it had only been minutes. He had been managing to hold his own for at least a little while, but the surge of adrenaline he received was quickly evaporating and the attacker's superior skill was winning the day.

"C'mon, just parry the next blow," Curio muttered to himself, following his own instructions. "Okay, now the next one." Another parry. "Now this one." Parry. "Now the next one." And so it went.

He got focused so heavily on just parrying the next blow that he (and his attacker) was completely unprepared for what happened next. As the attacker prepared for another blow, Curio stopped in his tracks and dropped his weapon. A second later, he fell to his knees, and then onto the ground proper, gurgling blood. A red-tipped harpoon emerged from his chest.

"Sorry," the owner of the harpoon said afterwards. "Heard someone come wakin' me up at night screamin' about trouble in the brig. Had to see for meself."

"Hey, he's dead, that's all I wanted to do in the first place."

The two men walked off, going their separate ways, one of them with a fancy cutlass in hand.


That morning, Double A gathered the remaining crew, some of whom looked particularly displeased about the size of their loot relative to what it had been the night before. "I have bad news, mateys. We lost another dinghy! It be seemin' that someone else went and abandoned ship over the night."

"Cap'n, there also be another death aboard!"

"Blasted barnacles, that too? All the more reason to get voting, then!"

"What about the investigations?"

"Ah, right," Double A said. "Let me see. Good news and bad news on that front. The bad news be that landlubber and Lissa were loyal crewmen who did not seek us harm. The good news be that spaceman was a dirty bleedin' sailor aboard the Maven in the pay of the Frenchman! We got one, lads! Let's keep at it and bag the rest o' his men!"

OOC: It is now Day 7. Voting will last until Tuesday, October 14th, at Noon US Eastern Time.



Feedback PMs will go out shortly. Need a break from writing first.

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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3, n6), johnhughthom (n5), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n5, n6), autolycus (n5), Ishmael (n5, n6)

Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n6)

Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)

Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2), Choxorn (n6)

Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5), johnhughthom (d6)

Souls aboard: (15)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
El Barto
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
Montmorency
Sprig
Visorslash
Zack

[seireikhaan]

:laugh4:

[Visor]

:laugh4:

Nice writeup GH.

[Visor]

Also, being the one who suggested the Spaceman kill - I'm definitely clear.

Vote: Ishmael

[Ituralde]

What a drunk binge it has been.

First things first: Vote: Ishmael.

If that lad be surviving another day I will leave ship tonight!

[Visor]

Both Andres and ATPG will be dying tonight fwiw. They're the two mentioned in the event.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, all feedback PMs are out, please let me know if you spot any errors.

Also, I forgot to put in someone's feedback (I forget who), but you were attacked at night and survived. :laugh4:

[Visor]

Okay, all feedback PMs are out, please let me know if you spot any errors.

Also, I forgot to put in someone's feedback (I forget who), but you were attacked at night and survived. :laugh4:

Should've told them they died for lols.

[Ituralde]

Now on to the longer matters.

It really has been quite a drunken ride. I remember casting me votes, doing midnight duels two on two and waking up to a load of messages in this me inbox thing.
Just to be clear about it, i have this thing here (Tapatalk) that makes me appear present on the Presence (get it?) at all times, while in reality I may be drunk, or may be sleeping or whatever. So don't look too much at that.

That's why I not be joining this latest night action, Montmorency. Also an attack on Gaius, where did that come from?

I was goin to get to grips about the First Mates results, so far I have:
N1: Kagemusha guarding his gold, Double A throwing someone in the brig.
The rest would follow here, but the nights results are too interesting.

1: Ismahel survived a 4 person attack!? If that not be screaming French Overlord, I don't know what is.
2: We have our first conversion.
3: spaceman98 was a French goon, how interestin. This puts all the unflavoured roleblocks into perspective. Another reason to lynch Ishmael.

[dcmort93]

Obligatory Vote: Ishmael for the obvious reason of his continued existance

[Visor]

Thought you were gonna survive that vig did ya Gaius? :laugh4:

[Ituralde]

Thought you were gonna survive that vig did ya Gaius? :laugh4:

How did he die? The writeup mentions one defender and three separate attackers.

[Visor]

How did he die? The writeup mentions one defender and three separate attackers.

One of the attackers is presumably from a vig group.

One of them is the first mate.

Another is unknown.

[Visor]

I can say with some confidence that Andres and Jim were definitely not starting Frenchmen.

[Ituralde]

So i can add to me list:

N6: Killed Gaius Scribonius Curio?

Any idea why he be doin this instead of investigatin?

[Ituralde]

Personally I think visor is good. T2 scan came back as not susceptible and confirmed him throwing someone in the brig.

This goes on me list.

N5: Double Scan of Visorslash: Threw someone in the brig and not susceptible for conversion.

Why you only be thinkin Visor is good, when the double scan should give you his exact role?

[Visor]

So i can add to me list:

N6: Killed Gaius Scribonius Curio?

Any idea why he be doin this instead of investigatin?

Because I knew the bloody vig was going to fall through - Gaius has been playing silly buggers all game.

[dcmort93]

So i can add to me list:

N6: Killed Gaius Scribonius Curio?

Any idea why he be doin this instead of investigatin?
Cause' investigatin' be a waste o' time

[Visor]

This goes on me list.

N5: Double Scan of Visorslash: Threw someone in the brig and not susceptible for conversion.

Why you only be thinkin Visor is good, when the double scan should give you his exact role?

Mate, I organised a vig on spaceman N1. The ONLY flipped french so far.

I am not even in the picture.

[dcmort93]

This goes on me list.

N5: Double Scan of Visorslash: Threw someone in the brig and not susceptible for conversion.

Why you only be thinkin Visor is good, when the double scan should give you his exact role?
T2 doesn't give role, only susceptibility and actions

[Ituralde]

T2 doesn't give role, only susceptibility and actions

My bad. I misremembered this quote:



Night before bsmith was killin', khaan be stealin'.
Last night bsmith scanned as innocent and unsuspectible to conversion. Who knows what kind of godfather-y roles there are out there though.

That was N2 and N3 for those writing this down at home. I jumped from innocent to Able Seaman.

[Visor]

My bad. I misremembered this quote:



That was N2 and N3 for those writing this down at home. I jumped from innocent to Able Seaman.

He scanned Bsmith tier 1, and you can scan two tiers above if you scan a single target, so : you could scan 1-3 or 2-3 or 2.

[Ituralde]

There be three scan tiers in total? Yeah that be soundin a little time consumin.

[dcmort93]

There be three scan tiers in total? Yeah that be soundin a little time consumin.
exactly

[Ishmael]

1: Ismahel...

Call me Ishmael.



...survived a 4 person attack!? If that not be screaming French Overlord, I don't know what is.


Or, y'know, it could be the 'strong' trait, possibly coupled with the base chance of failure with only four people in the vig group. But of course, it's much easier to leap to the interpretation that supports your predetermined conclusions.



3: spaceman98 was a French goon, how interestin. This puts all the unflavoured roleblocks into perspective. Another reason to lynch Ishmael.

How so? I'm legitimately not sure what you're trying to get at here.


Obligatory Vote: Ishmael for the obvious reason of his continued existance

Come now, at least put some effort into it.

[dcmort93]

Come now, at least put some effort into it.
I didn't just put the vote did I

[dcmort93]

Also I'll double any bribe made to have people keep their votes on Ishmael.

[Ishmael]

Also I'll double any bribe made to have people keep their votes on Ishmael.

I offer to transfer 10 gold per night for the remainder of the game, as well as direct my will to the next person to vote for dcmort.

Disclaimer: offer is not actually real

[dcmort93]

Disclaimer: offer is not actually real
That's funny, mine is :smartass:

[Sprig]

I'll take that. Vote: Ishmael

He hasn't actually offered to bribed me yet but for transactional purposes, lets just say he is offering me 5 gold.

[autolycus]

Both Andres and ATPG will be dying tonight fwiw. They're the two mentioned in the event.

So one of Andres and Atpg converted the other?


Why is Ishmael a higher priority than the converter?

[Visor]

So one of Andres and Atpg converted the other?


Why is Ishmael a higher priority than the converter?

I don't know, but both claimed to have an event.

It might not even be French to be honest.

But it could easily be.

[Montmorency]

OK, look: I had 30+ gold stolen from me last night.

Gaius, Golden, Auto, and Ishmael were to be on the Andres vig. 2 showed up. Golden claimed it was everyone but Gaius.


I was part of the elite strike force that took on Ishmael. Vote: Ishmael

Damn it, I should have known JHT would be easier to deal with.


Ituralde, Pizza, Sprig, BSmith, and Choxorn were supposed to be on the Gaius vig. None showed. Choxorn jumped ship, so he is no longer of any account. Ituralde screwed off too much. Interestingly, he has no alibi for N2 AFAIK. Sprig was getting restless knowing he was on a failed attack. I'd be willing to believe he chose to rob me. Pizza, we've already heard about. BSmith, what's your story?


Csargo: What did you do last night? Did you follow my suggestion? Did you protect Gaius?


What we have to assume (the worst case): the Frenchman, a convert, and a Maven scummer are here now. If Ishmael is the Frenchman, the game should end immediately, or more traditionally after N7.

Ishmael should be lynched then. Shameful FOS on Pizza and Andres. Golden and Ituralde need to be scrutinized more.

[Csargo]

OK, look: I had 30+ gold stolen from me last night.

Gaius, Golden, Auto, and Ishmael were to be on the Andres vig. 2 showed up. Golden claimed it was everyone but Gaius.


I was part of the elite strike force that took on Ishmael. Vote: Ishmael

Damn it, I should have known JHT would be easier to deal with.


Ituralde, Pizza, Sprig, BSmith, and Choxorn were supposed to be on the Gaius vig. None showed. Choxorn jumped ship, so he is no longer of any account. Ituralde screwed off too much. Interestingly, he has no alibi for N2 AFAIK. Sprig was getting restless knowing he was on a failed attack. I'd be willing to believe he chose to rob me. Pizza, we've already heard about. BSmith, what's your story?


Csargo: What did you do last night? Did you follow my suggestion? Did you protect Gaius?


What we have to assume (the worst case): the Frenchman, a convert, and a Maven scummer are here now. If Ishmael is the Frenchman, the game should end immediately, or more traditionally after N7.

Ishmael should be lynched then. Shameful FOS on Pizza and Andres. Golden and Ituralde need to be scrutinized more.

I was with Gaius.

[Montmorency]

Gaius, Golden, Auto, and Ishmael were to be on the Andres vig. 2 showed up. Golden claimed it was everyone but Gaius.

Also, yes, of course Gaius was blocked at the last minute (after I heard from Golden), so at least we should expect Golden and Auto to have been legit last night.

[Visor]

Ishmael stole from Gaius or at least claimed to.

[Montmorency]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Montmorency]

Dogpile on the Frenchman:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

[Zack]

vote ishmael

[Csargo]

Vote:BSmith

[Csargo]

I'm also disappointed that ATPG didn't abandon ship.

[Montmorency]

Captain, Ishmael is as good as dead.

What are the provisional orders for tonight?

No room for excuses.

[BSmith]

I was stolen from last night. Anyone want to fess up so as to confirm your activity last night?

vote: Ishmael

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://youtu.be/4YZNXwjfq6g

I'm rich! I'm wealthy! I'm independent! I'm financially secure! I'm comfortably well off! Wooo hooo!!!

I've stolen from the Captain! I told him I was stealin' from him!

I've stolen from the First Mate! I told him I stole from him!

I've stolen from the blighter what tried to steal gold from me! Damn that felt good....

I've stolen 19 cursed coins from Zackbeard! I'm never going to die, I'm going to forever roam this ship as a skeleton now, and I don't even care!

I've told this crew I'd end up stealing more from them than they ever would from me, to their faces!

:pirate2:

RUN RUN

AS FAST AS YE CAN

YOU CANT CATCH ME

I'M ASKTHEPIRATEGUY MAN

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ishmael stole from Gaius or at least claimed to.

LOL

Steal from the dead guy?

Vote: Ishmael

For the gold at this point. French team goin' down.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ishmael should be lynched then. Shameful FOS on Pizza and Andres. Golden and Ituralde need to be scrutinized more.

Shamefur dispray

What is this "shame" you refer to? :inquisitive:

I cannot find any shame in my massive pile o gold. It appears to be the one piece of treasure on this ship not included in my pile or the Captain's.

[Montmorency]

So what then, the event enabled you to rob every single crew member?

That's too OP to credit; if true you'd be the richest man on the ship.

[Ituralde]

How so? I'm legitimately not sure what you're trying to get at here.

I should not be playin, when I'm being drunk, it seems. I thought during N4 one of your attackers was blocked, but that was actually during the attack on johnhughtom.
It all fitted so nicely in me head.

[Montmorency]

Well, screw it - poorest living player, but at least I did my duty.

[Ituralde]

So what then, the event enabled you to rob every single crew member?

That's too OP to credit; if true you'd be the richest man on the ship.

Me thinks he's braggin about all the steals he made during the last nights.
The 'blighter who stole gold from me' would be me. (edit: when he stole from me during Night 4)

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what then, the event enabled you to rob every single crew member?

That's too OP to credit; if true you'd be the richest man on the ship.

I can't really discuss it but, people would be aware if they were missing money. So you can discount that.

For those doing accounting, I've done you all the courtesy of saying the exact amount you're missing and whodunit.

There's no mystery here.

For all my thievin-ness in my heart, I got nothing against this crew. It's not like the gold is going anywhere. We're on the same ship.

It's all a bit of sport, as I said. The gold is still there if people want to steal it back.

If people get red in the face about it, and threaten to cut me head off, I'll leave the ship with their gold in my own little boat.

For now, if they really care that much, they can try to take it from me.

Or, if they're too busy being little worker bees finding the French, and can't afford the time to try to steal it, they could say "O dastardly Askthepirateguy, you are so cunning. Prithee pay me a pittance, take pity on me, pretty please!" And they shall have their gold back, on my honor. <---- :dizzy2: Holy crap I said it. I can't believe I said that.

They have to say that exactly though, or else it ain't worth the gold.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, screw it - poorest living player, but at least I did my duty.

I like you, you hard working bastard.

If I had more than one will, you'd be in it. Instead 50 is going to Visor.

Someone should will you gold though. You've earned it.

[Montmorency]

My Will as of N2.


I Will that in the event of my death 20 gold go to NotJimRV and the eligible remainder go to Visorslash.

I wonder.

Well, better to wait for the Score List.

[Montmorency]

Oh no! Someone has stolen from you at night!

Gold: 103 (no, not a typo)

O dastardly Askthepirateguy and other, lesser, burglars, you are so cunning. Prithee pay me a pittance, take pity on me, pretty please!

[Visor]

Christ. You might be richer than TFT though. :laugh4:

You're going in my will Monty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

O dastardly Askthepirateguy and other, lesser, burglars, you are so cunning. Prithee pay me a pittance, take pity on me, pretty please!

On my honor, I've never stolen from you and never will.

I would still pay you a pittance for asking me so nicely. 1 gold incoming.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also said I'd never steal from any one person twice, unless I catch them in the act of trying to steal their gold back from me.

So, I mean, if I've never stolen from you and you haven't been promised by me that I'd never steal from you, you might want to watch your gold.

I'm going to take it from you.

[Montmorency]

Lads, if you're heading to the mess grab your mates some,
Lasses come chill, come rock with me honey,
I got like half a mill in monopoly money,
There's no stopping me honey, so you can take my hand,
We can lay on the beach and count grains of sand...

[Visor]

If ye stolen from someone last night

claim it to me today.

I can't steal so it ain't me ye need worry about - but I need the info

[Visor]

Can everyone claim their night action for n6 please

[autolycus]

Attempted Vig on Andres

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who was in your group?

Here's how I see it.

1 bloke of the five assigned to get Curio, actually showed up.

I was assigned, I didn't do it. Ituralde was assigned, he didn't do it. Choxorn was assigned, he jumped ship instead. Leaves BSmith and Sprig and I hear from good authority that Sprig actually was the one lad who showed up. So it wasn't BSmith either.

Sprig gets a pass for being the recruiter, he's not the recruiter, can only be the recruitee at maximum.

I am at Zack's location. The only way this is a lie is if we are both mafia, or I'm mafia and Zack is not. So Zack confirming my location is useful. In either case, Zack is likely one of the vigilantes who actually showed up somewhere last night.

Ituralde claims to be thieving, and I'd wager Andres was as well.

The Captain should have been visible last night, I hear, so he was probably assigned to a vig group or he was the lone / disconnected other attacker of GSC. Confirming that would be helpful, Visor, Double A.



Askthepizzaguy- fully claimed publicly with targets and exact amounts, only not visible N1.

People I won't be stealin' from
Double A- captain + vigilante
dcmort93- FM, lone attacker on GSC
Ituralde- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash or die.
Zack- vigilante most likely, can confirm x amount of gold stolen from him.
Visorslash- QM probably brigging someone, if they could confirm that'd be great.
Montmorency- vigilante, I would assume. Set up the GSC vig with five people who mostly didn't show or didn't agree beforehand.
That said, Monty looks pretty good to me.

Watch your gold, you scurvy scallywags
Andres- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash or die.
BSmith- unknown, Visor says he wasn't there but is accounted for somehow. So I'm trying to think.
El Barto- vigilante, I would assume.
Csargo- lone protector guy of Gaius, I would assume. Highly likely he's not the recruiter.
autolycus- vigilante, I would assume. Can claim the other members of his group.
Golden1Knight- vigilante, I would assume.
Sprig- vigilante, lone attacker on GSC, if BSmith's story is confirmed, he's very highly likely not to be the recruiter.


That's a lot of data. The thieves stand out as suspects, but, the failed vig group is also an issue, and I count more suspected vigilantes than would have actually appeared in the writeup.

There's only so many names it could be. Once the thieves have claimed and their targets confirm, or while that's going down, the people who are claiming to be vigilantes need to be looked at.

Of those claiming to have attacked last night, Sprig is probably the first one we can clear as having actually shown up.

If the other group had five or six, not all of them showed up either.

So who is vigging last night?

[Montmorency]

Auto and Golden probably attacked Andres, as Ishmael is probably scum and Gaius was blocked. All four were meant to be the vig group on Andres.

BSmith claimed to me in private to have attacked Gaius as part of the 5>1 vig. Note that earlier in the game the FM max-scanned him and cleared him as uncorruptible town.

Zack, Montmorency, Double A, and El Barto attacked Ishmael but were fought off.

[Csargo]

What was BSmith doing last night?

[BSmith]

I was on the Gaius vig.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Auto and Golden probably attacked Andres, as Ishmael is probably scum and Gaius was blocked. All four were meant to be the vig group on Andres.

BSmith claimed to me in private to have attacked Gaius as part of the 5>1 vig. Note that earlier in the game the FM max-scanned him and cleared him as uncorruptible town.

Zack, Montmorency, Double A, and El Barto attacked Ishmael but were fought off.

Mmm.... this is very useful.

I understand that some might have the Strong trait, as such a thing might have appeared in previous games, so it might be that, but we pretty much know Ishmael is guilty based on more than just his fighting strength.

So I'll accept that as likely.

Bold- can't be the recruit, underline, probably not the recruiter. Italics probably guilty.

Double A, Zack, El Barto, Montmorency- 4 on Ishmael.

Golden1Knight, Autolycus- suspected 2 on Andres. They can at least confirm each other and if it's a lie, it would require another person.

BSmith, incorruptible townie. You're saying he was actually on Gaius? That conflicts with something I was told. I don't suspect BSmith I'm just saying I was told something else about which one was on Gaius.

dcmort93- FM, lone attacker on GSC who actually killed him off with a harpoon.

Visorslash- QM probably brigging someone, if they could confirm that'd be great. I would wager he was brigging Ishmael or Gaius. Dude also suspected spaceman and got him vigged.

Gaius might have been the recruiter. He was willing to pay me money to disrupt the vig group on him, but I was already not going to be on it.

Askthepizzaguy- 19 from Zack, I'm not cleared but I volunteered to be brigged and fully scanned repeatedly until i'm cleared, or, I told Monty, Visor, and Double A that I can be ordered off the ship at this point if that's not good enough. You have to remove me as a suspect. Either accept my word, brig me scan me, or order me gone. Simple as that.

Csargo- lone protector guy of Gaius, he claims. That's at least visible.

Andres- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash

Ituralde- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash

Sprig- ???? If not on Gaius, where was he? Because he cc'ed the order.

Ishmael- guilty as hell.

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As for who got recruited, it wasn't me. I can prove that straight up. Can't be BSmith, can't be Visor, Double A, or dcmort93.

I doubt the recruit would be Csargo, he's been under a lot of suspicion. He could be the Frenchman himself. But it's probably Ishmael.

Andres is too much of a suspect and a target of vigs and doesn't have an alibi, recruiting him would be silly.

Does the game end if the Frenchman and his two original crewmen are all dead?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Sprig, where were you at last night? I cannot find you.

Blocked?

It would make sense that Sprig was blocked, since Gaius knew he was being vigged. He was trying to bribe folks to disrupt it.

[autolycus]

So who stole from BSmith?

[Ituralde]

Probably a mechanics question, but how can you pove you're not recruited?

What happened in the previous installments? I mean what keeps the recruited from ratting out the French or just acting weird?

I could post a canary that I hate the French every day phase, letting you know I was recruited by stopping it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What happened in the previous installments? I mean what keeps the recruited from ratting out the French or just acting weird?

The fact that they'd be deliberately sabotaging their new team and therefore incurring my wrath as both host and Gameroom moderator, for one thing. :tongue:

[Ituralde]

Also the conversion was done by only one person. Is this always possible vor does it hint that the recruiter was the Frenchman himself?

[Sprig]

What was BSmith doing last night?

I wonder this? Too.

There seems to be this unrecruitable = town vibe running. Now i know BSmith claims to be something special but i don't have the full details of what that is but the question i have put to everyone why would you think scum and third part would show up as recruitable.

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I was not stealing or blocked. I was attacking Gaius. You can see me as the tromper in the write up.

[Sprig]

Zack also. (Edit - nevermind on Ishmael)

[Golden1Knight]

Attempted Vig on Andres

Can confirm. I was on that vig too.

Vote: Ishmael

[Sprig]

I was on the Gaius vig.

ahh here now is a pretty little lie. A poor one at that. If you were part of the vig, it would have shown up in the write up as two on two but as it didn't...

[BSmith]

No lie. Look closer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Could be interpreted as two really, really disorganized attackers plus the first mate.

Almost as though one of those attackers wasn't actually part of the original group, but someone sent there to act as a dummy while Sprig goes off and recruits someone.

But I don't know if we can really infer that. GH is a tricksy hobbits.

[El Barto]

Also I'll double any bribe made to have people keep their votes on Ishmael.
Hoo much be ye offerin'?

Can everyone claim their night action for n6 please
As I said in me PM, Vig group with Zack, Montmorency an' Cap'n Dooble A on Ishmael, ever'wan sent in their orders. Ishmael, ye's cost me eight doubloons, savvy? Give 'em back or ye dies! vote: Ishmael

People I won't be stealin' from
Double A- captain + vigilante
dcmort93- FM, lone attacker on GSC
Ituralde- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash or die.
Zack- vigilante most likely, can confirm x amount of gold stolen from him.
Visorslash- QM probably brigging someone, if they could confirm that'd be great.
Montmorency- vigilante, I would assume. Set up the GSC vig with five people who mostly didn't show or didn't agree beforehand.
That said, Monty looks pretty good to me.

Watch your gold, you scurvy scallywags
Andres- thief, needs to claim to Visorslash or die.
BSmith- unknown, Visor says he wasn't there but is accounted for somehow. So I'm trying to think.
El Barto- vigilante, I would assume.
Csargo- lone protector guy of Gaius, I would assume. Highly likely he's not the recruiter.
autolycus- vigilante, I would assume. Can claim the other members of his group.
Golden1Knight- vigilante, I would assume.
Sprig- vigilante, lone attacker on GSC, if BSmith's story is confirmed, he's very highly likely not to be the recruiter.
I be havin' an issue with this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hrm!

or, Sprig was the tromper, and then BSmith was the rather dashing and skillful person after Sprig fled. He was the lad with the fancy cutlass, I presume.

[Sprig]

Could be interpreted as two really, really disorganized attackers plus the first mate.


Our orders were exact mirrors bar Sprig<->BSmith. I am perplexed why would we not show as both?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Our orders were exact mirrors bar Sprig<->BSmith. I am perplexed why would we not show as both?

To show the strength disparity, and highlight the fancy cutlass?

I don't know. FANCY SWORDS SEEM FRENCH TO ME. /lies

[Askthepizzaguy]

I be havin' an issue with this.

Here's a tissue.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Host's tally:

https://i.imgur.com/t2tELyF.gif

[El Barto]

To show the strength disparity, and highlight the fancy cutlass?

I don't know. FANCY SWORDS SEEM FRENCH TO ME. /lies
Ye uses the word ‘disparity’ which comes fram the French tongue. This be suspicious.

Here's a tissue.
Thanks, lad -why be it suspiciously like ye had ripped oot some pages off the beuks?

[dcmort93]

I wonder this? Too.

There seems to be this unrecruitable = town vibe running. Now i know BSmith claims to be something special but i don't have the full details of what that is but the question i have put to everyone why would you think scum and third part would show up as recruitable.

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I was not stealing or blocked. I was attacking Gaius. You can see me as the tromper in the write up.

Cause he's been fully scanned as an unrecruitable townie. Its been mentioned many times.

[Sprig]

Cause he's been fully scanned as an unrecruitable townie. Its been mentioned many times.
My question was not really related to BSmith by the way. feel free to actually read the question.

But since you brought it up, could you share the the three nights he was scanned? My records are that he was only scanned twice.


Any anycase, I am now comfortable with how actions played out last night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have to admit, I love the French guy being the villain, so we can all say how people seem like they're French, and how bad that is.

It's hilarious to me.

I have nothing against actual French, but it's reminiscent of the silliness of anti-French sentiment in the "Colonies" by people who live up there in them there Appalachian mountains in little shacks and wed their sisters.

ARE YOU FRENCH?!? I'M COMIN' TO GET YOU FRENCHIE!!!

And of course, only the head guy is actually French, but the way we talk, it's like he spreads his Frenchness around like a disease.

Better watch out, he'll turn you French. :stare: AND THAT IS THE WORST THING EVER.

[Sprig]

They might as well surrender now. We all know they are going to, eventually.

[Csargo]

Host's tally:

https://i.imgur.com/t2tELyF.gif

I was looking for that the other day. Thought I had it saved, but glad to know it lives on.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Thought you were gonna survive that vig did ya Gaius? :laugh4:

In fairness, no. I had a fair inkling that someone would bag me. The important point is, as I have mentioned several times, it has been a complete waste of time. So many people tied up in my sad demise, and a complete waste of both arole-block and a kill. On reflection, the use of both powers on me reflects such extremely poor judgement that you might just all be innocent.

As I stated in thread before, I have been consistently stealing from you until, lo and behold, I actually showed up when you asked me to vig someone two nights ago. Cc'ed orders are a waste of time, since one can simply change them anyway - to everyone, for future reference, don't expect that from me.

Zack: I already noted that piece of information in thread. Among my haul from Visorslash was a fancy cutlass, now the property of my killer. As I noted at the time, the owner of the sword is unlikely to be 'the Frenchman', owner of a rapier, but Visor has been so defensive, that it might mean something..?

[Andres]

Vote: Ishmael

[Sprig]

Cc'ed orders are a waste of time, since one can simply change them anyway - to everyone, for future reference, don't expect that from me.

Not really, it is common courtesy.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Not really, it is common courtesy.

Fair enough. Not the time or place for a lengthy discussion, but my view is that at its core it is inherently and unambiguously dishonest, doesn't help to confirm anything and so I won't engage in it.

Edit: rereading that sounds really curt. It isn't meant as such and isn't a criticism - I understand the rules of the game. The point is, it isn't really a courtesy at all, it is an organisational tool, which doesn't tell you anything at all in game.

[Csargo]

So, I've been waiting for Lissa/Spaceman to be revealed as townie/french or both one way or another. In order to see if it was true about her being blocked, and it turns out it was. The only person that isn't accounted for that night is Golden1Knight. If anyone can account for him Night 1 great, if not then I'd say he should be lynched now. If someone can account for him then that means afaik everyone was accounted for and I don't know how that would be possible. Also, the fact that Zack refused to vig G1K on Night 3? makes me a bit leery.

The reason I voted BSmith is because none of it makes any sense to me and I think it highly likely that he's the Frenchman/Godfather. Why was he investigated/cleared by NotJimRV/dcmort93 immediately? I can think of 4-5 better choices right off that make way more sense than BSmith. That investigation choice is really odd to me. He's active but quiet and unassuming, which is what I'd expect. I don't believe he was roleblocked either. Doesn't make sense at all, just makes him look shinier. I'd be flabbergasted if he was innocent.

Whether Gaius was innocent or guilty I'm not really sure, he was kind of an enigma to me. I do know that we were going to protect Montmorency N2 but that fell through for some reason or other. Night 3 we did end up protecting him, and then our group sort of fell apart. I PM'd with Monty after the whole two groups fiasco explaining myself and asking how he knew. He said Gaius and some other stuff about nuking all of us, which was pretty funny. I just found it all odd and have been wary of both since.

Andres has like 1 confirmed action that I know of and that was Night 1. He claimed to have stolen once(?), but I couldn't confirm that.

ATPG (:wall:) Abandoned our group after Night 1 iirc maybe Night 2 been piratin' ever since. I haven't bothered to trudge through the thread to confirm. Wish he would have jumped ship.

Double A well he's like Andres really, which is why I've been mutinying. He's in and out, plus no idea what he's doing at night.

That's who I categorized as 'High' on my list.

El Barto, Ishmael, Choxorn(abandon ship), Sprig, Zack, Ituralde(Medium-High) = Medium suspicion

Low = Everyone else

None = Csargo

That's my list, it's not color-coded like ATPG's was, but no one can compete with the Pizza. Feel free to ignore me though, that's cool to. I've only risked my life like three times and defended innocent people the entire game. This game is really starting to get to me. I should have a lie down.

[El Barto]

Arrr, why be ye takin' the Japanese shungy woodcuts we got when piratin' in the Eastern Seas last year to yer so-called ‘lie-down’?

An' also, I be takin' issue with yer suspectin' me. Me whereabouts be provable fer every night, I's sold me vote every single day an' can prove it, which makes me more pirate-y than most, an' I be Lutheran to boot, an enemy o' the French crown an' their Huguenot-slaughtering lackeys. They be wantin' Flanders fer themselves an' tha' be nae good in me eyes.

[Csargo]

Arrr, why be ye takin' the Japanese shungy woodcuts we got when piratin' in the Eastern Seas last year to yer so-called ‘lie-down’?

An' also, I be takin' issue with yer suspectin' me. Me whereabouts be provable fer every night, I's sold me vote every single day an' can prove it, which makes me more pirate-y than most, an' I be Lutheran to boot, an enemy o' the French crown an' their Huguenot-slaughtering lackeys. They be wantin' Flanders fer themselves an' tha' be nae good in me eyes.

You're Low-Medium to be fair. I don't really suspect you.

[Zack]

Also, the fact that Zack refused to vig G1K on Night 3? makes me a bit leery.
Saying I "refused" to vig him is a misrepresentation. His name was brought up as a possible target (qt m311), and I said I was "not crazy about it" (m316) as I had worked with him the previous night and he proved reliable. The way you present it suggests that I was placed in a group to vig GoldenKnight and was uncooperative, which is false.

[Zack]

So, I've been waiting for Lissa/Spaceman to be revealed as townie/french or both one way or another. In order to see if it was true about her being blocked, and it turns out it was. The only person that isn't accounted for that night is Golden1Knight. If anyone can account for him Night 1 great, if not then I'd say he should be lynched now. If someone can account for him then that means afaik everyone was accounted for and I don't know how that would be possible. Also, the fact that Zack refused to vig G1K on Night 3? makes me a bit leery.

The reason I voted BSmith is because none of it makes any sense to me and I think it highly likely that he's the Frenchman/Godfather. Why was he investigated/cleared by NotJimRV/dcmort93 immediately? I can think of 4-5 better choices right off that make way more sense than BSmith. That investigation choice is really odd to me. He's active but quiet and unassuming, which is what I'd expect. I don't believe he was roleblocked either. Doesn't make sense at all, just makes him look shinier. I'd be flabbergasted if he was innocent.

Whether Gaius was innocent or guilty I'm not really sure, he was kind of an enigma to me. I do know that we were going to protect Montmorency N2 but that fell through for some reason or other. Night 3 we did end up protecting him, and then our group sort of fell apart. I PM'd with Monty after the whole two groups fiasco explaining myself and asking how he knew. He said Gaius and some other stuff about nuking all of us, which was pretty funny. I just found it all odd and have been wary of both since.

Andres has like 1 confirmed action that I know of and that was Night 1. He claimed to have stolen once(?), but I couldn't confirm that.

ATPG (:wall:) Abandoned our group after Night 1 iirc maybe Night 2 been piratin' ever since. I haven't bothered to trudge through the thread to confirm. Wish he would have jumped ship.

Double A well he's like Andres really, which is why I've been mutinying. He's in and out, plus no idea what he's doing at night.

That's who I categorized as 'High' on my list.

El Barto, Ishmael, Choxorn(abandon ship), Sprig, Zack, Ituralde(Medium-High) = Medium suspicion

Low = Everyone else

None = Csargo

That's my list, it's not color-coded like ATPG's was, but no one can compete with the Pizza. Feel free to ignore me though, that's cool to. I've only risked my life like three times and defended innocent people the entire game. This game is really starting to get to me. I should have a lie down.
You suspect all of the leadership but don't even mention Visor?

[Zack]

Zack: I already noted that piece of information in thread. Among my haul from Visorslash was a fancy cutlass, now the property of my killer. As I noted at the time, the owner of the sword is unlikely to be 'the Frenchman', owner of a rapier, but Visor has been so defensive, that it might mean something..?
You also said there was something that cleared you, which I don't recall seeing. Why you wouldn't immediately go public with info you thought might a) clear you and/or b) incriminate an officer, instead trying to deal it out in private like an information broker, is beyond me.

[El Barto]

You're Low-Medium to be fair. I don't really suspect you.
Any math'tician worth his saltines wad awready come ta the conclusion tha' if ye dinnae suspeckt me then thar be zero suspicion.

Also, them woodcuts?

[Zack]

N6: an opportunity presented itself :jumping:
The Frenchman wined and dined you?

[Zack]

https://youtu.be/4YZNXwjfq6g

I'm rich! I'm wealthy! I'm independent! I'm financially secure! I'm comfortably well off! Wooo hooo!!!

I've stolen from the Captain! I told him I was stealin' from him!

I've stolen from the First Mate! I told him I stole from him!

I've stolen from the blighter what tried to steal gold from me! Damn that felt good....

I've stolen 19 cursed coins from Zackbeard! I'm never going to die, I'm going to forever roam this ship as a skeleton now, and I don't even care!

I've told this crew I'd end up stealing more from them than they ever would from me, to their faces!

:pirate2:

RUN RUN

AS FAST AS YE CAN

YOU CANT CATCH ME

I'M ASKTHEPIRATEGUY MAN
Congratulations on stealing from people who were never guarding their gold and thereby failing to assist vigilante groups that were expecting your promised assistance. I'm glad you're so proud of yourself.

[Zack]

I like you, you hard working bastard.

If I had more than one will, you'd be in it. Instead 50 is going to Visor.

Someone should will you gold though. You've earned it.
Your entire will is to someone you have an outstanding bounty on?

I appreciate how all of MY hard work is only rewarded with thievery. Where's the will leaving me gold? Where's my pat on the back? No, all I get for my effort is gloating on how much you stole from me.

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Screw you. I won't try to steal my gold back. I'll just kill you. I'll vote for you every day and attack you every night, even if it's all by myself, until you're dead. I don't care if you're French, I don't care if you're town, I don't care if you're something else. I don't care. I do care that you stole from me and rubbed it in my face. So you die.

And I'm not writing a damn will. My gold is mine and no one else's, even when I'm dead.

[Zack]

PM dump time.








Can you please organize this:

Kill Gaius
Pizza
Golden
Ishmael
BSmith (wants to work with Pizza)
Auto (wants to protect Ishmael, wants to kill Gaius)

Ishmael will be deal with.

Are you taking care of this?

I'm being killed off tonight, so I don't have much of anything further to add.

I am going to die as a Pirate. I failed in my gambit to infiltrate the French, so I do not deserve the glory of life on a tropical island with my gold surrounding me, with naked women running around.

I shall die standing on my feet, and I shall die with as much gold in my hands as I can.

WTF?

I just lied to him, saying he was going to be killed in the night. Suggested curio as the honcho behind it.

:laugh4: :laugh4:

Jesus Visor, as if things weren't already hectic enough.

Zack is going to be sad when he sees his full inbox...

Also, Ishmael would be willing to work in a vig against Andres or Gaius.

If 2 of Auto, Choxorn and BSmith prove cooperative, then we'll place Ishmael in with them.

Now if only I could figure out who the hell Gaius claims to be working for, and on what...


Ishmael and JHT are very likely both evil, but there is one - and only one - worrying alternative:

By this point, the entire leadership and one or more of BSmith, Ishmael, and <X> are on the French team.

If that's the case, then the only chance we have is mutiny.

My proposal:

Visor is bent on seeing Ishmael dead, so let's give him an offer.

JHT goes to the lynch, Ishmael will be vigged. Visor's reaction and peripheral arguments are the object of scrutiny.

Other than voting JHT, don't make any moves yet. I'm waiting on some responses.




Ishmael and JHT are very likely both evil, but there is one - and only one - worrying alternative:


By this point, the entire leadership and one or more of BSmith, Ishmael, and <X> are on the French team.
What makes you think this?


I'm waiting on some responses.
From who?

Why should I trust you? Because this is the message Visor sent me last night:


if you started town and still are, i'd be highly wary of being recruited by monty

Well, I'm hardly surprised he sent that with all the crap I've been flinging at him in private yesterday and today.

OK, look at it this way. Double A is scum, then he has had free reign since N2 to do scum actions, particularly if scum actions can consume gold.

If the FM is scum, then the BSmith scan and the Visor scan are meaningless and the FM could similarly have been scumming around all those nights.

Note that BSmith claimed that he was blocked. To be sure, JHT (who I still want to lynch) could have done it as per his non-participation in groups, but also note that BSmith has mentioned a personal "non-role" objective of "participating with as many people as [he] can."

If Visor is scum, then, well, that forces a re-evaluation of quite a few actions and alibis. And then, what about his own actions? Blocking (or at least claiming to block) Ishmael (which had the effect of saving Gaius, someone he refused to block earlier despite my urgings), consistently-bad choices for night-targets and lynches, demeanor that is by turns cavalier and fixated,

Ishmael could well be scum on his own, and if the leadership are scum it's that much more likely for him to be scum.

One more note, but for Pizza's sake please keep this private for now: Double A was supposed to be on the Ishmael vig, but he sent in his order only a few hours before the deadline and it didn't have GH as a recipient.

I've sent Pizza similar concerns - he read them shortly after this phase began - but he has not replied, and it is also possible that he is a convert in this whole framework (I firmly believe he has been townie for at least most of the game).

At any rate, please support an extension to GH.


This is what I'm talking about.

Visor's explanation is even :daisy: worse than I could have imagined.

You can negotiate with incompetence. You can't negotiate with scum.


I was keeping Pizza on retainer for a mutiny, but Visor managed to convince me that his handling of the situation would improve so I called it off.


I don't really want Double A dead (just yet) either, but I do demand that he resign.

If he will not resign, or if he doesn't even bother to comment on the situation such that he posts a refusal to resign, then the obvious way out is to remove him by force. :shrug:




Dammit, sorry, the text wall blinded me from the CC.

I was the one who was holding on to Pizza as a potential mutiny vote. Visor made himself look better over the course of the day, so I never called it in.

BTW, Zack's inbox is full now.

So what's the group of French? Who do you think? I want to see if we're on the same page.

Csargo

If we were assuming the leadership to be 100% town, then I would say that killing the following would finish the game for the Mafia:

JHT
Ishmael
Andres
Gaius

At this point, I've been forced to lean towards a scenario in which the leadership is compromised, but if the leadership is compromised, then all three must be scum.

Beyond them, it would be very likely for Ishmael and BSmith to be scum, maybe even Pizza. However, even in that case JHT and Andres remain extremely enigmatic...

What I would like to see for today is a public outcry demanding that Double A either resign or die in mutiny, with JHT being lynched outright.






Pizza posted weird crap in the thread, and won't respond to my group instructions.

Gaius says he has accepted a "different assignment" unless I pay him 5 gold.

3 vigs ain't happening peeps, and it looks like there's a breakdown behind the scenes...

I don't know how long we have to wait for things to fall in place, and I'm not confident that any such thing will happen on its own.

I'll do what I can to patch things in the next hour, but failing that do I have permission to try to sort out a new vig group against Andres from the wreckage?
I'd prefer you to vig gaius over andres, i'll roleblock andres

Why has Pizza been so set against getting rid of Andres and JHT? Why the sudden shift in rhetoric? I don't like it. That plan the other night was dumb, but in the meta I wouldn't put it past a triple-agent Pizza to puff it up.

At any rate, I trust him far less now than I have since before D3.

At various points I'll suggest 2 scan targets for you to pass on to the FM, but I think one of them will have to be Pizza.




OK, so I will be off for some hours.

Pizza is willing to cooperate again.

I don't know how it will turn out for the others I listed who have not responded yet, or for that shifty Gaius, but this is the shape I envision for the groups in their solid form:

Kill Andres
Ishmael
Auto
Sprig
Pizza/(Gaius)

Kill Gaius
Choxorn
Golden
Ituralde
(Pizza)
Sprig


And finally, get Double A.
These groups are contradicting. Sprig and Pizza are in both of them.

Things are looking good.

BSmith, Choxorn, Sprig, Pizza, Ituralde vs. Gaius

Ishmael, Gaius, Golden, Auto vs. Andres





Main problems: Choxorn has been inactive all phase. Ituralde and Golden were onboard, but they have not yet read the mass-PMs I sent around half-phase about the teams.

It's still not clear to me if Pizza will ultimately stick it through, though I am paying him.

Visor, have dcmort online, if only for the last 2 hours of the phase. Based on what I can gather by then, I will send you a final list of scan recommendations.
LOok, I'm going to be awol for the next 4ish hours probably

let me know as much as you can of what people are doing so I know who to roleblock
Just have dcmort kill someone

Choxorn has sent orders.

AFAIK the Andres-team is complete.

However, Ituralde still hasn't checked his mail and Pizza is holding out to the point that even other group members are offering to pay him money if he stops messing around with their vig.

If things stay that way, then Itu and Pizza should probably be scanned. :shrug:




Do you have any plans for tonight? I'd be willing to help depending on your plans. If you're interested/need my help let me know.

Csargo
Sorry, probably to late to include you in the vig group at this point. Been afk all day, so that's why it took so long to reply.

Okay, that's no problem.

Csargo



So far, Zack and I have served more-or-less unerringly as junior officers. We have been stalwarts of the Town.

However, given the first-ever conversion of the story, we have to consider that the junior officership may be compromised.

I can't expect to be recused from the demotion: Zack and Montmorency should no longer be privy to the most confidential information or planning.

:bow:

We have to take solace in the fact that the head of the snake is all we need to sever.
I am fine with this considering I NEVER WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY "LEADERSHIP" IN THE FIRST :daisy:ING PLACE :stare:
PM me if you want to help kill ATPG. Otherwise leave my inbox alone. I do not want to be a "town leader" or help organize anything other than killing Pizza.

[Sprig]

Arrr, why be ye takin' the Japanese shungy woodcuts we got when piratin' in the Eastern Seas last year to yer so-called ‘lie-down’?

An' also, I be takin' issue with yer suspectin' me. Me whereabouts be provable fer every night, I's sold me vote every single day an' can prove it, which makes me more pirate-y than most, an' I be Lutheran to boot, an enemy o' the French crown an' their Huguenot-slaughtering lackeys. They be wantin' Flanders fer themselves an' tha' be nae good in me eyes.

What did you do night 3? i have a gap there?

[Zack]

Little older (October 8-9), can't remember if I've shared this yet.


What is going on?


Visor suspects you. I anticipate he could engineer your lynch today if enough of the townsfolk are loyal to the town side.

Please be aware in a few hours, I will not be at my desk for 14 or so straight hours, because of my flight today. Anything we discuss will have to happen shortly or it will have to wait until I land in Orlando and return home.

For myself, I generally don't care where I vote. I don't know if Visor is correct or not. I don't care. I also have nothing against you despite our earlier friction, so, don't read too much into my vote.

What can I do for you?




Visor suspects you. I anticipate he could engineer your lynch today if enough of the townsfolk are loyal to the town side.

Please be aware in a few hours, I will not be at my desk for 14 or so straight hours, because of my flight today. Anything we discuss will have to happen shortly or it will have to wait until I land in Orlando and return home.

For myself, I generally don't care where I vote. I don't know if Visor is correct or not. I don't care. I also have nothing against you despite our earlier friction, so, don't read too much into my vote.

What can I do for you?
:daisy: visor, his case is petty bs. I guarantee you, 100%, he's voting me because I mentioned that I had issues with the way he's been handling things. He does this every damn game I dare suggest he's not perfect, and I find it infuriating. He's a control freak. He was clearly planning to mutiny against Kage from the second of his election because he was not Visor's guy and wouldn't let Visor run the show (as jim would have and double a is allowing). I assume he got an officer position because he first proposed AA as captain in thread, even though it was MY idea to make Double A captain (look at the QT, it's true).

Could you bring together a vig group willing to take him out at night? You don't even have to pay me for the bounty, I will work for free. Can Double A be convinced to kick him out of the QM position?

Anyways, I'm working on a defense that reveals all of my actions and that silly QT. I will not apologize for anything, I will not hide anything.

I could attempt to assemble a vig group, but I can tell you this,

Gaius Scribonius Curio, Johnhughthom, and Csargo were the group I worked with night 1 before I went freelance.

Andres is willing to do things for gold. El Barto would be against it, but I'm sure gold will persuade him. I am also available for the right price, but since I was also stolen from last night I'd prefer to protect my gold unless I held an officer position.

I offer these names because due to my flight, I might not be able to assemble a proper vig group before I land in Orlando. Those would be the first place I would look for a vig group and I'm sure they'd appreciate the reference and the work, particularly if gold is involved.

Separately, Double A could move Visor to the First Mate position and make someone else quartermaster, it's been discussed. I was also considered for an officer position because Double A is having trouble finding volunteers, and I told him I still haven't been recruited and would be willing to immediately be deep scanned, I don't want to be an officer but I would do it if he would protect my gold personally. I don't have that much but I'm working on it.

But, I wouldn't say I'm the person with the most influence on Double A, just some. It's possible.

This is what I can do presently, today I'm unfortunately pretty pressed for time. This will change once I'm back in Florida.

I am also available for the next three hours, after that, I have to lock things in.



I do not want to pay anyone, gold is not as important to me as finding the French, but it is still important and I want to keep as much of it as possible. Never pay for what can be done for free. I can send out feelers later if it comes to it.

I tend to agree. Since neither the french nor the captain have me on their payroll, I'm not willing to offer anyone any money out of my pocket for anything.

I'm willing to discuss things and do little favors like send out feelers, or act as a middle man, or whatever. Those things are good for business.

I respect that finding the French is important, and, given that I am town and they're not bribing me yet, I am on principle willing to assist. It's just not as important to me, I've been up front about that.


I don't want Visor as first mate, I want him out entirely. I want NotJim out, too. I'd prefer any replacements be reliable people who are not Visor's cronies.

I'm certainly not. Reliable in that I am presently not french or converted, and I will respect and honor any monetary arrangements that I back with my word of honor, that I am.

I'm giving myself rules to play by, you see.

But I'll even tell you up front that I'll sell you or anyone else out on this ship, provided someone pays me money and they didn't have the foresight to pay me first. First come, first served.


I'd be fine with you as an officer. I'd be willing to be first mate, but I will prioritize kills over scans (after clearing the other officer and captain of course)

I am fine being scanned and cleared. I like acting like a neutral, so although I'll be thinking about the solve independently, who you scan or kill is your business and I wouldn't care what you did with it. I like a game without scans anyway.

I'm pretty hands off this game and deliberately so for obvious reasons. I won't interfere with you and my loyalty can be purchased on the cheap from the captain or yourself, and I'll honor the arrangements I make, so if you want a man loyal to your side, I'm available.


and I recognize some people won't like that, and I'm not intent on holding the position. Double A is fine, I have no problem with him as captain, and it's nice seeing someone other than the usual suspects in such a position, but BSmith would probably be the ideal captain after the scan.

I like Double A and it's possible to work with him on this matter, especially if there's a threat of mutiny, but I'd prefer a good working relationship with any Captain, given he might have hidden powers over his officers, and vice-versa.

Personally I don't care who is Captain, what alignment they are, who is the officer(s) involved, or what alignment they are, all I really am concerned with are two things: raising my gold totals and keeping my word when I offer it, otherwise no one will buy my services again.

I can't guarantee I will keep my word if I am recruited to the French side, because then I have a responsibility to my new team.

But right now, I am not French, and I am willing to be deep scanned to prove it. And so long as I am not French, I play by my rules. I'm playing the role of an honorable thief who keeps his word. As an officer, I'd be bound to one side, so I'd keep my word once offered, assuming I'm made an officer before I get converted, and have no need to alter the way I'm playing the game.

Blah blah blah that's where I'm at.

If you can work with this, it's all on the table. I'm being offered a bribe for a mutiny, so if there is a new Captain in town, and you want an officer who hasn't been converted and is fine never being converted, and is not French, I'm your guy.

If you have other options and you choose to go with them, it's also fine. I'm fine not being an officer, too, and I don't care who runs the show.



Who is bribing you to mutiny?

Technically, no one presently.

An offer has been made, and agreed to, but not finalized by the other party.

I'm hoping to get some money here, so I'm being patient.



So are you under Visor's pay now?

For tonight, anyway. Although I haven't actually received a PM regarding payment.

[Sprig]

El Barto, Ishmael, Choxorn(abandon ship), Sprig, Zack, Ituralde(Medium-High) = Medium suspicion



Why am I sus? I love you almost as much as Zack :yes:

[Csargo]

Saying I "refused" to vig him is a misrepresentation. His name was brought up as a possible target (qt m311), and I said I was "not crazy about it" (m316) as I had worked with him the previous night and he proved reliable. The way you present it suggests that I was placed in a group to vig GoldenKnight and was uncooperative, which is false.

Refused may have been too strong a word, I'll give you that. It just seems odd.


You suspect all of the leadership but don't even mention Visor?

Visor seems good to me. He's been indecisive and overly confident at various points, which makes me think he's genuine. My opinion has evolved over the course of the game. While I don't agree with him on a lot of decisions, he's unlikely to be scum imo.

[landlubber]

I don't think that third chain (starting "Visor suspects you") should have been published publicly. Extraordinarily negative, very uncalled for.

[Csargo]

Why am I sus? I love you almost as much as Zack :yes:

I'm bad at looking at things apparently. Misread my sheet.

[Sprig]

Glad to see Morts thoughts mirror my own.

Vote: Mutiny

Down with Double A

Death to ATPG.


Zack, Carsgo and I for leadership!

[Sprig]

I'm bad at looking at things apparently. Misread my sheet.

Use mine - it is colour coded! I have given you full editing rights!

[Zack]

Vote: Mutiny!


I don't think that third chain (starting "Visor suspects you") should have been published publicly. Extraordinarily negative, very uncalled for.
I'm being transparent so people can't accuse me of only posting stuff that makes other people look bad. If it makes you feel better, it's not personal or anything. I was pissed at the time. :shrug:

[El Barto]

What did you do night 3? i have a gap there?
I war in th' brig, court'sy o' wee Visorslashie.

[Sprig]

What did you do night 3? i have a gap there?

were you part of the group that Ice'd ICe?

Edit - Pirate Ninj'd

[El Barto]

Vote: Mutiny
(…)
Zack, Carsgo and I for leadership!

Vote: Mutiny!
I's c'n always sell me vote ta mutiny, but this be still weird.

[El Barto]

Edit - Pirate Ninj'd
We didnae jist learn aboot shungy woodcut books when in th' Eastern seas, lad.

[Zack]

OOC:


I'm being transparent so people can't accuse me of only posting stuff that makes other people look bad. If it makes you feel better, it's not personal or anything. I was pissed at the time. :shrug:
To expound, I have absolutely nothing against ATPG or Visor as people, I'm friendly with them. But in-game my character hates their guts and resents them and is bitter. If you're put off, sorry. Sometimes I forget not everyone compartmentalizes the game/out of game experience in the same way as me. I forgive and move on easily (out of game at least :laugh4:).

[El Barto]

Bu' hoo can we tell if ye be nae postin' in style, ye scurvy dog?

[Csargo]

Vote:Mutiny

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your entire will is to someone you have an outstanding bounty on?

I appreciate how all of MY hard work is only rewarded with thievery. Where's the will leaving me gold? Where's my pat on the back? No, all I get for my effort is gloating on how much you stole from me.

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Screw you. I won't try to steal my gold back. I'll just kill you. I'll vote for you every day and attack you every night, even if it's all by myself, until you're dead. I don't care if you're French, I don't care if you're town, I don't care if you're something else. I don't care. I do care that you stole from me and rubbed it in my face. So you die.

And I'm not writing a damn will. My gold is mine and no one else's, even when I'm dead.

I'm sorry I took your pretend gold in a game of make believe, where stealing gold is literally part of the game and encouraged by the game host, and the entire theme is piracy.

Your RAEG is ridiculous.

[Visor]

I don't think that third chain (starting "Visor suspects you") should have been published publicly. Extraordinarily negative, very uncalled for.

I had already seen it about a week ago. :laugh4:

[El Barto]

Read poost #1717, Pizzaman. He be roleplayin' his dark desires fer revengenin' an' all siclike.

[Visor]

You're going to mutiny to overthrow a pretty likely town candidate?

At this stage in the game? Goodidea/10

[Askthepizzaguy]

OOC:

Oh. Carry on then. Looked genuine for a second there...

[Visor]

Suppose you only need 8 votes or so.

Carry on destroying the town though. Good job.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do like the idea of bitter and murderous people killing known townies and taking command. That seems like a swell plan everyone should endorse.

:2thumbsup:

Everyone get aboard this mutiny. Zackbeard for president. This will work out fine.

[Visor]

Also hilarious how you want to mutiny at the first sign of conversion when AA clearly wasn't doing french things at night.

GOOD IDEA

REAL SOLID

"BUT MAH GOLD"

You ain't gonna live to use it.

[Sprig]

You're going to mutiny to overthrow a pretty likely town candidate?

At this stage in the game? Goodidea/10


Suppose you only need 8 votes or so.

Carry on destroying the town though. Good job.

Don't be silly, I am doing it for the gold. Which as pizza likes to remind us; is what we pirates are all about.

[Visor]

Don't be silly, I am doing it for the gold. Which as pizza likes to remind us; is what we pirates are all about.

Bah. Now is not the time to lynch townies for gold. That was day 2.

Who would even be the replacement captain?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't be silly, I am doing it for the gold. Which as pizza likes to remind us; is what we pirates are all about.

I'll buy that.

This Death to Pizza business doesn't seem to be about gold. Feels more like pettiness.

[El Barto]

You're going to mutiny to overthrow a pretty likely town candidate?

At this stage in the game? Goodidea/10
I be detectin' sarcasm. I bain't unsure o' tha'.

I do like the idea of bitter and murderous people killing known townies and taking command. That seems like a swell plan everyone should endorse.
We do be pirates.

Bah. Now is not the time to lynch townies for gold. That was day 2.

Who would even be the replacement captain?
Me! Me! Pick me!

[seireikhaan]

Bah. Now is not the time to lynch townies for gold. That was day 2.

Who would even be the replacement captain?
Pizzaguy, of course.

[El Barto]

I'll buy that.

This Death to Pizza business doesn't seem to be about gold. Feels more like pettiness.
Fer six doubloon I might consider killin' ye. ;)

[GeneralHankerchief]

If anybody has a problem with the overall tone of the last page or so, please feel free to contact me privately. As all parties involved appear to be okay with what's been going on, I'm not inclined to take action of any sort, but if folks feel uncomfortable then I'll readjust. :bow:

[Sprig]

Bah. Now is not the time to lynch townies for gold. That was day 2.

Who would even be the replacement captain?

He is not townie just because you say so...

In anycase, I am keen to get rid of the people that have had opportunity for nefarious activities first.

This is Ishmael, ATPG, Double A, Ituralde & probably Golden.

[Zack]

I'll buy that.

This Death to Pizza business doesn't seem to be about gold. Feels more like pettiness.

If anyone else steals from me and publicly gloats about it, I will gladly kill them too.

[Visor]

He is not townie just because you say so...

In anycase, I am keen to get rid of the people that have had opportunity for nefarious activities first.

This is Ishmael, ATPG, Double A, Ituralde & probably Golden.

blah blah blah

i am french

blah blah blah

any more swill sprig?

Double was definitely not doing french things last night

And the night he missed the cc thing - thinking he is scum for that is ridiculous. You are suggesting that he missed orders in an embarrassing and idiotic way purely to screw us all over whilst being berated by everyone in the game.

That takes some balls, and whilst I like AA, I don't think he'd willingly miss orders like that.

[Visor]

AA can NOT have been converted either.

IF he doesn't show up today or whatever, then maybe there is a case. But its still bad IMO.

[Visor]

Is there a list of who did what last night?

[El Barto]

Also of note, it appears tha' the parrot be finally gone -I think we had ‘chicken’ last night… be Sprig losin' his nerve?

[El Barto]

AA can NOT have been converted either.

IF he doesn't show up today or whatever, then maybe there is a case. But its still bad IMO.
Well, he did send in orders las' night, I has a copy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also of note, it appears tha' the parrot be finally gone -I think we had ‘chicken’ last night… be Sprig losin' his nerve?

I stepped on Squawky Jim. He's dead.

I sold the bird to a tall British man. He keeps demanding a refund.

[Sprig]

blah blah blah

i am french

blah blah blah

any more swill sprig?

Double was definitely not doing french things last night

And the night he missed the cc thing - thinking he is scum for that is ridiculous. You are suggesting that he missed orders in an embarrassing and idiotic way purely to screw us all over whilst being berated by everyone in the game.

That takes some balls, and whilst I like AA, I don't think he'd willingly miss orders like that.

lol typical Visor response.

"I don't like what you say so ill call you scum."

- - -

I have no idea what double A has been up to or what you are referring to. My spread sheet that I brought of Carsgo has 'BLK visor' day 1 and nothing else. If you want to enlighten me, feel free. Perhaps you can sway me from my vote with a list of his actions and explaination how exactly you think he is town.

[El Barto]

I stepped on Squawky Jim. He's dead.

I sold the bird to a tall British man. He keeps demanding a refund.
Mayhaps ye could help him with his eel problem.

[Visor]

lol typical Visor response.

"I don't like what you say so ill call you scum."

- - -

I have no idea what double A has been up to or what you are referring to. My spread sheet that I brought of Carsgo has 'BLK visor' day 1 and nothing else. If you want to enlighten me, feel free. Perhaps you can sway me from my vote with a list of his actions and explaination how exactly you think he is town.

FWIW I think you're town

just making bad decisions.

oh ffs

I';ve explained about fifty times this game why he is town.

he vigged last night

missed orders night before

i cannot recall off the top of my head what he did the nights before that

i'm sure that will make you all think he is scum

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mayhaps ye could help him with his eel problem.

His hovercraft acting up again?

[El Barto]

It be full o' them!

[Sprig]

FWIW I think you're town


Heh. I know, that why 'typical' response. You call people you dont think are scum 'scum' all the time

- - -

Wasn't it DCmort that killed?

Speaking of which DC, still waiting on the answer to my question.

[Csargo]

I'll buy that.

This Death to Pizza business doesn't seem to be about gold. Feels more like pettiness.

If you die, you won't be able to steal anyone's gold. How's that? Your loss = not everyone elses

Seems legit.

[Visor]

Heh. I know, that why 'typical' response. You call people you dont think are scum 'scum' all the time

- - -

Wasn't it DCmort that killed?

Speaking of which DC, still waiting on the answer to my question.

they're scum for not agreeing with me :laugh4:

all must fall in line