Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 0

Nobody got much sleep the night of the flight from New Tortuga. There was too much on everyone's mind - how could they have left the Captain behind? Look at all the treasure they had procured! Could *I* possibly be the next Captain of the Presence? Pirates alone with their thoughts was an unusual circumstance, and as a result the following morning the crew were actually eager to get to work for once, to put those meddlesome thoughts out of mind.

Of course, this naturally meant that the daily tasks of swabbing the decks, etc. were accomplished in record time, and by that afternoon, there was nothing left to do but elect the Captain - the person who would take the crewmen home. There was a bit of trepidation about this, for some of the more grizzled sailors remembered that the last two times that the Presence had come back with a huge haul, the return voyage to Nassau was always fraught with peril. Most notably, the Frenchman, who had sworn to regain command of the ship by whatever means necessary, had been quiet these past few years. Chances were high that he might be on board once again, ready to strike.

The new Captain would have to be in possession of all his wits and cunning in order to be able to counteract this and any other threat that might arise. At the same time, the Captain of the Presence also received the single highest share of treasure on both the similar occasions: the sacking of Charleston, and the attack on the Spanish Treasure Fleet. The crewman were in full recognition of the fact that they might very well be electing someone higher riches than anyone had dreamed of when they initially signed on to the crew.

After roughly thirty minutes of pretty much everyone milling around, not sure what to do, a senior crewman, a really old salt, finally got fed up with it all and addressed everyone aboard.

"Right ye scurvy scoundrels, ye all know where and why we're here - to make as much loot as we possibly can before Satan claims our souls for good!" There was some goodhearted cheering at this statement. "Before that happens, though, we need to rid ourselves of that loot so that the devil can't claim any for hisself! Now, ye all know what be at stake here should we not make it home in one piece. So let's ensure that we keep this ship in good order and elect ourselves a Captain!" General cheering commenced.

Even though the crew of the Presence were pirates, they were also good at their jobs. They knew that a Captain and his appointed officers would be most effective at ridding the ship of any threats aboard - but at the same time, they were still pirates. 100 gold was good, aye, but you know what was even better than that? *More* than 100 gold! Hopefully the Captain and his officers would... reward... them all for being active in their efforts to rid the ship of no-gooders in the evenings. After all, what was the point otherwise?

With these thoughts in mind, the voting process begun. The Captain would receive a salary of 15 treasure per night no matter his activities. He would have no vote in any daily proceedings that may arise, but did have a say in tiebreaking procedures along with his two appointed officers. Were there any deadlocks to be resolved in the tiebreaking, the Captain would have final say on the matter. Lastly, the Captain would have all to himself a swanky room in the officer's cabin of the ship, meaning that pretty much all night attacks against him would be futile (though he could go out and do activities himself). Of course, removing him during the day would be another matter, thanks to the ever-present threat of mutiny...

Everyone decided not to ruminate on that particular point for now though. They had a Captain to elect, and further riches awaited!

OOC: It is now Day 1. As stated above, you will not be voting someone to walk the plank, you are electing a Captain. The proper format for doing this is as follows:

As stated above, you will not be voting someone to walk the plank, you are electing a Captain. The proper format for doing this is as follows:

Elect: GeneralHankerchief

Vote changes are made like so:

Unelect: GeneralHankerchief
Elect: Beskar

You will be rewarded 3 pieces of treasure for lodging a legal vote.

Voting will last until 22:00 US Eastern Time on Friday, September 25th. Not all phases will be this long - I suggest you use the time to get any night actions sorted out!



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Souls aboard: (28)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ice
Ironside
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
seireikhaan
spaceman98
Sprig
TFT
TheFlax
Visorslash
Xiahou
Zack

[Visor]

Elect: TheFlax

[seireikhaan]

Elect: seireikhaan

This boat requires vision and leadership, but above all a ruthless, unbiased hand. Elect me and you get someone merciless enough to brutally trick their friend into believing their innocence and stringing sympathy along so they'll fight to the death for you only to look like a colossal jackwagon when the final day came. A vote for me is a vote for savage, brutal efficiency. :thumbsup:

[Zack]

I'll elect whoever offers the best bribe. Money, position, I'm all ears mateys.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll elect whoever offers the best bribe. Money, position, I'm all ears mateys.

This is a good time to put in a reminder: Monetary transfers are limited to 10 gold per person, per day (i.e. you can spend more than 10, but can't give more than 10 to one person at a time). All gold transfers must be for services rendered, and these services must be publicly available. All transactions must be confirmed to me by both parties and will take effect at the end of the night phase. Happy bartering!

[landlubber]

I'll elect whoever offers the best bribe. Money, position, I'm all ears mateys.

Aye, and I'll elect whoever offers the worst bribe. Corruption ain't me style.

[Zack]

Aye, and I'll elect whoever offers the worst bribe. Corruption ain't me style.
What kind of pirate doesn't like bribes and money? No wonder they call you landlubber.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We need a captain who can strike fear into the hearts of men, who be known for helpin' his shipmates, yet be wicked and cruel, like any good pirate should be. A man whose face is so torn and battered by his many years at sea, that if he were to remove the wrappings coverin' his face, it would make even the legendary Zackbeard weep bitter tears and cry out to the heavens, why, why would a man's face look like that? We need a man whose name contains the letter X, because that always marks where the treasure be on a map. Yarr, I see we have a few candidates fer that, but only one man's name begins with the letter X! And that means we'll start atop a vast pile of treasure, so vast that the ship will sink under its sheer weight, and we'll live out the rest of our days on an island made out of all the gold we can eat! And there will be women, lots of scantily clad women, fashioned out of gold coins glued together, with big ruby lips, eyes like sapphires, and fingers covered in rings of diamond, with an emerald necklace draped between a pair of iron cannonballs! And we'll never leave this golden island paradise, no, and our dear Captain will rule us like a king, and sip from the finest crystal goblet filled to the brim with all the pearls he can choke down! And his name will be so unpronounceable that even Admiral Beskar wouldn't randomly string together those letters and begin to call himself that!

Elect: Captain Xiahou

[Kagemusha]

I know you are all power hungry privateers, so i will elect. Whom ever gives me 10 gold.If not one of you ragtags gives me gold.I will elect myself.

[Zack]

We need a captain who can strike fear into the hearts of men, who be known for helpin' his shipmates, yet be wicked and cruel, like any good pirate should be. A man whose face is so torn and battered by his many years at sea, that if he were to remove the wrappings coverin' his face, it would make even the legendary Zackbeard weep bitter tears and cry out to the heavens, why, why would a man's face look like that? We need a man whose name contains the letter X, because that always marks where the treasure be on a map. Yarr, I see we have a few candidates fer that, but only one man's name begins with the letter X! And that means we'll start atop a vast pile of treasure, so vast that the ship will sink under its sheer weight, and we'll live out the rest of our days on an island made out of all the gold we can eat! And there will be women, lots of scantily clad women, fashioned out of gold coins glued together, with big ruby lips, eyes like sapphires, and fingers covered in rings of diamond, with an emerald necklace draped between a pair of iron cannonballs! And we'll never leave this golden island paradise, no, and our dear Captain will rule us like a king, and sip from the finest crystal goblet filled to the brim with all the pearls he can choke down! And his name will be so unpronounceable that even Admiral Beskar wouldn't randomly string together those letters and begin to call himself that!

Elect: Captain Xiahou
Elect: Xiahou gon give it to ya

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkOJ9uNj9EY

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know you are all power hungry privateers, so i will elect. Whom ever gives me 10 gold.If not one of you ragtags gives me gold.I will elect myself.

If you give me 10 gold, I promise I will only eat half of it.

[spaceman98]

Aye, and I'll elect whoever offers the worst bribe. Corruption ain't me style.

I offer you.... a boot to the head!


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I'll be traveling over the next few days, so my internet access will be limited. I should still be able to show up to vote though.


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As with other people in the thread, I'm open to taking bribes.

[Sprig]

I'll bribe ya'll to mutiny who ever we elect. Just for the laughs... And gold.

[Double A]

Yo ho ho ho, a pirate’s life for me!
elect: Crazed Rabbit

[NotJimRV]

Yarr harr harr! Obviously there is just one suitable candidate for a captain on this ship, ye landlubbers.

elect: NotJimRV

How did ye last two games play out, out of interest?

[Ishmael]

elect: NotJimRV

Getting in early in a shameless attempt to curry favour should you be elected. I'll take the position of First Mate, please.

[Visor]

unelect ; elect: notjim
Getting in early in a shameless attempt to curry favour should you be elected. I'll take the position of quartermaster, please.

[Visor]

Let's have a new guy be captain, what could go wrong. :D

[Ituralde]

I be electing anyone that is not some bloody Frenchman, that's for sure! Also some gold would be appreciated, if you know what I mean. :7pirate:

[Kagemusha]

If you give me 10 gold, I promise I will only eat half of it.

Here´s a copper penny for you old squanderer. Half you eat, you say mate.

[NotJimRV]

elect: NotJimRV

Getting in early in a shameless attempt to curry favour should you be elected. I'll take the position of First Mate, please.


unelect ; elect: notjim
Getting in early in a shameless attempt to curry favour should you be elected. I'll take the position of quartermaster, please.

Arrrr, there be some sensible lads right there. That's the spirit I like to see!

[Montmorency]

Elect: NotJim

We expect you to triangulate your position.

[johnhughthom]

So... we're not electing Jim? We are electing Jim? I'm confused.

[Visor]

Schrodinger's Jim.

[NotJimRV]

Well, you guys know who you're NOT electing.

Isn't that simple?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yo ho ho ho, a pirate’s life for me!
elect: Crazed Rabbit

All votes must be legal (i.e. for somebody that's actually playing) in order to get the gold. :smartass2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

How did ye last two games play out, out of interest?

Pretty overwhelming town victories on both occasions, though more of that had to do with terrible luck on the mafia's part than balancing (at least, that's what I tell myself to sleep at night :laugh4:). The Captain elected on D1 was not only able to stay in power through the conclusion of both games but also ended up with the most gold and thus finished in first place. So there is some incentive to win this election... unless of course people grow wary about letting the Captain waltz to victory for a third game in a row.

[Double A]

All votes must be legal (i.e. for somebody that's actually playing) in order to get the gold. :smartass2:

Bah, fine. :tongue:

unelect
elect: Kage

[Lissa]

Yarrr.

elect: notjim

[johnhughthom]

NotElect: Jim

[Kagemusha]

Bloody tentacles of Kraken! You lot are electing the new fellow even without bargaining. Where´s the fun in that and more so where is the profit?

[Andres]

Elect : Kagemusha

he speaks like a true pirate. The rest o' ye lot all talk like scurvy landlubbers. Aarr!

[Golden1Knight]

Elect: NotJimRV

Brave fellow, indeed.

[TheFlax]

Elect: seireikhaan

This boat requires vision and leadership, but above all a ruthless, unbiased hand. Elect me and you get someone merciless enough to brutally trick their friend into believing their innocence and stringing sympathy along so they'll fight to the death for you only to look like a colossal jackwagon when the final day came. A vote for me is a vote for savage, brutal efficiency. :thumbsup:

This seems like a fine promise.

Elect: seireikhaan

[Askthepizzaguy]

Elect : Kagemusha

he speaks like a true pirate. The rest o' ye lot all talk like scurvy landlubbers. Aarr!

Yarr, I could use some more gold. My belly is empty.

Why doesn't Kage bribe me to support him? Yes. That sounds like a good plan for "Captain" Kage.

[Kagemusha]

Yarr, I could use some more gold. My belly is empty.

Why doesn't Kage bribe me to support him? Yes. That sounds like a good plan for "Captain" Kage.

Gold. Well hmmmmm.... Lemme see. I think i have some in my wooden leg.... yess. You know what "Pizza". You are one mean cook and i like your thinking as well as your pizza´s. I will give you a gold piece for your vote and im giving Good ole DoubleA and Andres one for theirs as well. Anyone else in need of Gold?

[Sprig]

Elect: seireikhaan



"Electing Jim or not electing Jim isn't making any sense. best just stay out of anything that complex. Or me name's not Squawky Jim! *Squawk*"

[Kagemusha]

Bah! I better collect my gold with all this huge spending. Elect: Kage

[BSmith]

Ahh… someone willing to put their money where their mouth is, and making realistic promises. elect: Kage

[spaceman98]

Bloody tentacles of Kraken! You lot are electing the new fellow even without bargaining. Where´s the fun in that and more so where is the profit?

Yarr, now that's more like it lads. This old salt talks like a true pirate. Besides I don't even know who this Jim fellow is... or isn't, for that matter

Aye, I to am in need of gold mates, and I'll vote for ye if ye give me some (Likewise if someone bids higher, I'll vote for them).

Elect: Kagemusha (entering vote to make sure I have a legal one before the deadline. I'll change it if not bribed adequately compensated!)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gold. Well hmmmmm.... Lemme see. I think i have some in my wooden leg.... yess. You know what "Pizza". You are one mean cook and i like your thinking as well as your pizza´s. I will give you a gold piece for your vote and im giving Good ole DoubleA and Andres one for theirs as well. Anyone else in need of Gold?


One gold piece.

ONE GOLD PIECE! ONE!

....

I would accept but a better offer might be made. So we shall see. :pirate2:

You do realize the captain ain't just a scurvy seadog, yarr? He be paid the mightiest amount of the gold.

You want to be elected based on a one gold piece bribe?

Yarr.....

[Kagemusha]

One gold piece.

ONE GOLD PIECE! ONE!

....

I would accept but a better offer might be made. So we shall see. :pirate2:

You do realize the captain ain't just a scurvy seadog, yarr? He be paid the mightiest amount of the gold.

You want to be elected based on a one gold piece bribe?

Yarr.....

I hear down in Tortuga a lad can have mighty fun with a single gold piece. You know one is better then nothing and what fool bets too much on a empty table?

You heard of Captain Singlepiece? He was always so worried about his treasure that he melted it all in one great chunk of gold a nice chunk sure it was. To say the least..He run into some sort of logistics problems afterwards.

[landlubber]

I offer you.... a boot to the head!

Arr, finally an administration responsive to the landlubbers like meself!

Elect:spaceman98

[autolycus]

Elect:seireikhaan A policy of wanton brutality is the only policy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Voting will last until 22:00 US Eastern Time on Friday, September 25th. Not all phases will be this long - I suggest you use the time to get any night actions sorted out!



Hey, word to the wise. Oh, sorry...

ahem.

AVAST, MATEYS!

Bear in mind these group actions are notorious for FAILURE if you do not gather your entire group, plan your action, and agree to it BEFORE night falls.

This isn't like sending in a standard order. For 4+ people to send matching orders, you need time for people to react.

If you wait until halfway through night to send orders, you might as well sit below decks on a pile of treasure stroking your wooden leg, if you get my drift.

You're not going to be doin' much else that night. Period.

This is your first, last, and only reminder, and I'm not organizing poop. Deck.

I agreed to do a thing, that someone else suggested. That's my stellar contribution. Yarr.

[El Barto]

Ach! Anyone offerin' anythin', I be takin' it, yarr!

Whoever be offerin' me more doubloons an' better plans o' night actions (serrriously, General Hankerrrchief, why be there nay ‘carouse’ action?), tha' person be gettin' me vote and me allegiance, yarrr!

[El Barto]

Bloody tentacles of Kraken! You lot are electing the new fellow even without bargaining. Where´s the fun in that and more so where is the profit?
Tharrr be one fine-thinkin' fellow… YOU THARRR! NAME YER PRICE, YE SCOUNDREL! YE BE A BIG 'UN, AN' I LIKE SCOUNDRELS!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

A single gold piece is not a bribe, it is an insult. In any case, tharr be other great rewards at stake other than gold here. A new Captain will have use of capable officers and well-paid loyal subordinates.

Elect: NotJimRV

I expect to be suitably rewarded.

[Csargo]

Elect:Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

A single gold piece is not a bribe, it is an insult. In any case, tharr be other great rewards at stake other than gold here. A new Captain will have use of capable officers and well-paid loyal subordinates.

Elect: NotJimRV

I expect to be suitably rewarded.

Hey! You fellow with a fancy Italian name. Where were you when counting was thought in the card or craps tables? We have 28 mates over this wreck and lets say a fellow has a 100 gold stashed away. How many one can possible promise for the whole crew? 10 maybe 20? First you want Captain that noone knows, next one that cant count? Me thinks il have a rum now for the headache my old head is getting from such nonsense..

[Sprig]

Hey! You fellow with a fancy Italian name. Where were you when counting was thought in the card or craps tables? We have 28 mates over this wreck and lets say a fellow has a 100 gold stashed away. How many one can possible promise for the whole crew? 10 maybe 20? First you want Captain that noone knows, next one that cant count? Me thinks il have a rum now for the headache my old head is getting from such nonsense..

"Well I'll Pay 3 gold each... Plus continued payments depending on how well you perform *Squawk*"

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Hey! You fellow with a fancy Italian name. Where were you when counting was thought in the card or craps tables? We have 28 mates over this wreck and lets say a fellow has a 100 gold stashed away. How many one can possible promise for the whole crew? 10 maybe 20? First you want Captain that noone knows, next one that cant count? Me thinks il have a rum now for the headache my old head is getting from such nonsense..

Perhaps you be the one thats been at the grog: how much gold does the Captain get, even apart from the fancy quarters! 15 gold pieces a day! 15!!! To me, at least, matey, that shows that 10 pieces of gold would not be amiss, and that a miserly one piece should be sniffed at.

No self-respecting pirate would want serve a greedy, miserly captain...

[El Barto]

'Lest said captain could defeat the French. Ye certainly speaks the language of the Papist followers.

For Flanders and the Reformation! Death to La Royale and the Guardacosta!

[Kagemusha]

Perhaps you be the one thats been at the grog: how much gold does the Captain get, even apart from the fancy quarters! 15 gold pieces a day! 15!!! To me, at least, matey, that shows that 10 pieces of gold would not be amiss, and that a miserly one piece should be sniffed at.

No self-respecting pirate would want serve a greedy, miserly captain...

You want an charitable Captain? Are you sure you are on a right ship? Your talks sure sound like one of those black robe brothers,Jesuits...Hows thee French by the way?

[Zack]

Could we get a tally?

[Visor]

https://i.imgur.com/P4lSItW.jpg

[Visor]

My fellow Pirates,

I come to you a man of few teeth, a raggedy hat and no hygiene. A true Pirate's Pirate. I have worked tirelessly on this ship since she was built. A veteran of many a booty as yarr know. I come to ye today to vouch for NotJimRV. A man who can deliver you all the plunder you can dream of. A man who can deliver us to the riches we deserve. A man who will not sell us out to the English, Spanish or French! I've had my suspiscions about Kagemusha for some time now, but his extreme desire to be captain can be borne of only one thing! He is FRENCH! He is no true pirate, my loyal men scoured his quarters and found numerous documents to and from France in the past year! He plots to destroy us all.

Do not elect this chum bucket as our Captain! Vote for a true Pirate!

[Visor]

If ye be needing some wheels greased, ye can come to me. I'll do my duty to see such a pirate gets the top job. Yarrr.

Those already voting for him, ye support has not gone unnoticed. Expect some rewards in the near future, of the shiny type.

Yarrrrrrr

[Zack]

A true pirate, huh? How many peg legs and eye patches he got?

[Montmorency]

You want an charitable Captain? Are you sure you are on a right ship? Your talks sure sound like one of those black robe brothers,Jesuits...Hows thee French by the way?

"Gaius Scribonius Curio" sure sound Frenchy. Kagemusha, now thar be a name of the Orient. We might be expectin' that such a man would lead us impartial.

On the other hand, they mercenary greed be suited to the Frenchman's needs, or worse. I don't care to be run under by a despot of his like!

What more evidence do ye need than him refusin' to acknowledge a crewman's due share of the loot?

[Visor]

A true pirate, huh? How many peg legs and eye patches he got?

Yarr one o' each

and TWO parrots, stolen from rival crews

[Kagemusha]

My fellow Pirates,

I come to you a man of few teeth, a raggedy hat and no hygiene. A true Pirate's Pirate. I have worked tirelessly on this ship since she was built. A veteran of many a booty as yarr know. I come to ye today to vouch for NotJimRV. A man who can deliver you all the plunder you can dream of. A man who can deliver us to the riches we deserve. A man who will not sell us out to the English, Spanish or French! I've had my suspiscions about Kagemusha for some time now, but his extreme desire to be captain can be borne of only one thing! He is FRENCH! He is no true pirate, my loyal men scoured his quarters and found numerous documents to and from France in the past year! He plots to destroy us all.

Do not elect this chum bucket as our Captain! Vote for a true Pirate!

What loyal men you have in this ship? Heard of loyal Pirate? Arrrr this is getting mighty confusing....

[Zack]

Yarr one o' each
Just one? That's it? A real pirate's got more than that. Why, cousin Zaccino had two peg legs, a peg arm, two eye patches, and the most magnificent beard. Now that's a pirate.

[Visor]

Just one? That's it? A real pirate's got more than that. Why, cousin Zaccino had two peg legs, a peg arm, two eye patches, and the most magnificent beard. Now that's a pirate.

That's a pirate whose piratin days are over!

This pirate still has some plunderin left in im

[Visor]

What loyal men you have in this ship? Heard of loyal Pirate? Arrrr this is getting mighty confusing....

Arr have ye not heard of the pirate's code? I'll not be disclosing me allies to thee. Ye be no true pirate.

[Visor]

An ally of NJ and myself are allies of tha ship we've been sailing since she was born, he is the man for the job

[Montmorency]

Now it may't be the rum in me, but I recall that one of thou Zack captains been swallowed by a whale as were Jonah, but it were told to me that th'other Zack been lost from a steel sky-ship - and he had 5 missin' legs and 3 missin' eyes...

More rum for me!

[Kagemusha]

Arr have ye not heard of the pirate's code? I'll not be disclosing me allies to thee. Ye be no true pirate.

Only code i know is pillage and plunder. This is a livehood, not some fancy secret society.

[Montmorency]

Code? Livelihood? Secret society?

Freemason confirmed.

[Visor]

I found a crossaint in yer quarters Kage, what be ye defence?

[Kagemusha]

I found a crossaint in yer quarters Kage, what be ye defence?

I eat Frenchies for breakfast.

[El Barto]

"Gaius Scribonius Curio" sure sound Frenchy.
Even worse, if ye adds the stress mark he cunningly be takin' off: Gaius Scribonius Curiò. He be Papist!

Only code i know is pillage and plunder. This is a livehood, not some fancy secret society.
Arrr! I be castin' me vote fer Elect:Kagemusha then.

[BSmith]

Code? Livelihood? Secret society?

Freemason confirmed.

OOC: You asking, or you know something?.... :hide:

[seireikhaan]

Unelect: seireikhaan

Elect: Kagemusha


It is important to understand when when is defeated so that plans can be adjusted. I would encourage any of the well-adjusted lads giving my support to instead lend it to Kagemusha.

[Visor]

Ya'll afraid of a new guy? :laugh4:

[Xiahou]

Elect: Andres
A scurvy bilge rat that values nothing more than treasure. In other words, a perfect captain.

[Ituralde]

There be a measly bribe or promises. If that be my bloody choice.

Elect: Kagemusha

[Choxorn]

Elect: Kagemusha

Yarr, I still be gettin' some gold for this, right?

[NotJimRV]

Yarr, ye be all misled, I tell ye. I will govern not via any dirty method of bribery, but by fair and honest meritocracy. And that means no bloody Frenchmen on board on my watch!

Thanks for those who have shown me support so far, even if I do not obtain captaincy.

PS wtb official tally, even an unofficial one would be nice

[Ironside]

Elect: Kagemusha

Even cheap bribes are more than no bribes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There's been a couple of requests for a tally:

Kage: 11 (double a, andres, kage, bsmith, spaceman, csargo, el barto, khaan, ituralde, choxorn, ironside)
NotJimRV: 8 (notjim, ishmael, visor, monty, lissa, jht, golden1knight, curio
khaan: 3 (flax, sprig, auto)
Xiahou: 2 (atpg, zack)
Andres: 1 (xiahou)
spaceman98: 1 (lubber)

Also, I've updated the timer since it had the round initially ending GMT instead of EDT.

[TheFlax]

Unelect: seireikhaan

Elect: Kagemusha

[Zack]

unelect, elect: notjim

[landlubber]

Unelect, elect:NotJim

[Andres]

JOB OPPORTUNITY


Our company, "Golden hands" is looking for dynamic pirates with flexible morale.

What do we do?

We offer protection for gold.
We solve "problems" for gold.
We do whatever else, for gold.

You name it, we name our price.

What don't we do?

We don't ask questions.

What do we care for?

Gold. In our pockets.

What are we looking for?

Ruthless pirates who want to do anything for gold.


First come, first served. No questions asked. All we want is reliability during the night and a lust for gold.

Who to contact?

if you can't figure out who to contact, then don't bother.

[Kagemusha]

Im joining the company of Andres as i have no wish to attend a sunday school, but stick to what we are.

In any case. I will not be betting more against nothing for the captaincy.if you want to give it to the whippersnapper go ahead. My officers for the moment have been picked and as the opposite party is not giving anything for the captaincy at least in the open. I simply dont care. Do as you please.

[Zack]

Im joining the company of Andres as i have no wish to attend a sunday school, but stick to what we are.

In any case. I will not be betting more against nothing for the captaincy.if you want to give it to the whippersnapper go ahead. My officers for the moment have been picked and as the opposite party is not giving anything for the captaincy at least in the open. I simply dont care. Do as you please.
Convincing as that was, my vote stays.

[autolycus]

unelect: elect:notjim

[Kagemusha]

unelect: elect:notjim

Autolycus old chum. You just made some new friends, denying 11 fellows of their gold. What a charitable spirit you must be. ;)

[Ituralde]

It's a tie at twelve ye landlubbers! What happens if there be a tie? No gold and no promises?

[El Barto]

Autolycus old chum. You just made some new friends, denying 11 fellows of their gold. What a charitable spirit you must be. ;)
Well, he be a pirate after all. Nae charity work in these here seas.

It's a tie at twelve ye landlubbers! What happens if there be a tie? No gold and no promises?
Someone might be holdin' the balance. How do we ken that everyone votes wi' one hand only?

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's a tie at twelve ye landlubbers! What happens if there be a tie? No gold and no promises?

12-11, actually. I accidentally put NotJim at 9 instead of 8 in the above tally. Correcting now.

If there's a tie, I'm going to extend voting for a certain period of time (in other words, not a revote). I anticipate the bribes to fly fast and furiously if this comes to pass.

[El Barto]

Promised bribes, ye landlubber. I ain't seen any gold from either party yet.

[autolycus]

I just got a mighty fine offer, so unelect; elect:kagemusha

[El Barto]

Well, I ain't gotten nae even promises from tha' side as of yet bu' one from tha other, so unelect, elect: NotJimRV.

[Visor]

Kage: 12 (double a, andres, kage, bsmith, spaceman, csargo, , khaan, ituralde, choxorn, ironside, flax, autolycus)
NotJimRV: 11 (notjim, ishmael, visor, monty, lissa, jht, golden1knight, curio, zack, landlubber,el barto)
khaan: 1 (sprig)
Xiahou: 1 (atpg
Andres: 1 (xiahou)

[Visor]

Anyone not voting NJ thats around - PM me, and I;ll make you an offer.

[El Barto]

That tally be mighty fine, Mr. Visorrrrslash.

Noo, Sprigg, pizzaman, xiahou, what be ye wantin' fer yet vote ta change?

[NotJimRV]

I promise not bribes, but a fair and even judgement as to whether ye be Frenchmen or not.

[Visor]

If anyone is looking for a group we have some free spots

PM me

good job spending all your gold kage, i didn't spend a dime :laugh4:

[Visor]

And if you scurvy curs be thinking about touching my stash I'll keelhaul you until you beg for mercy!

[Double A]

I promise not bribes, but a fair and even judgement as to whether ye be Frenchmen or not.

16551

[Visor]

I'll bribe you in public AA, 10 gold to crush Kages spirit.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[Double A]

vote: GH

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 1

Unlike the previous two occasions where the Presence had elected a new Captain immediately after scoring a big haul, there were no real, true speeches promising lots of gold for everyone and a safe voyage home by prospective candidates for the captaincy. Perhaps it was that, after all these years, the crew had become jaded to that sort of high-minded rhetoric. Perhaps they all knew the stakes and thus no speeches were needed. Or perhaps - and possibly the most likely explanation - they had simply shifted their priorities, and now valued gold above all else.

As the day went on, voting coalesced around three candidates, and then eventually two: NotJimRV and Kagemusha. Kagemusha, perhaps attempting to tap into what he believed to be the prevailing motivator among the rest of the crew, promised riches and booty aplenty to those who voted for him, including shares out of his own stash simply for ensuring his election that day.

"How much be ye willing to part with?" asked one sailor, eager for specifics.

"One piece of treasure for each person who votes for me," Kage replied. "All for nothing except writin' down me name on that piece of parchment. Easiest money you'll ever make, mateys!"

"One piece of treasure?" There was general grumbling about this. "Why, that be the worst 'bribe' I've ever seen! Those miserly, stick-up-the-rear Brits are more generous when returning favors than that!"

They now turned to the other potential candidate, NotJimRV. "Kage be offering a measly one piece of treasure for each of us that vote him. Can ye match or top that?" NotJim immediately took the occasion to launch into a long and impassioned speech about how there would be no bribery aboard *his* ship and that he would do things right and honorable and focus on eliminating any and all threats aboard and that this was clearly the sensible path to take because there was certainly no point in acquiring all this treasure if you weren't around to spend it and his first priority would be getting everyone home safe.

Naturally, all of the eager crewmen groaned. Kage's one-gold bribe aside, it looks like they were going to have to earn their money the hard way.

At the end of the day, Kagemusha won the closely-contested race by a mere one vote. Briefly acknowledging NotJim in the spirit of competition, he took to address the rest of the crew. "Right then laddies, I think ye for yer faith and trust in my abilities. Under my captaincy I pledge to work me hardest to ensure that the gold continues to flow fast and free towards all of us!" General cheering at this last remark. There was a pause. "Oh, and obviously, uh, hunt down and kill any who would seek to do us harm from within too." Somewhat muted cheering at this one. Obviously the crew had their own priorities.

"Who be assisting ye in this endeavor?" somebody called out.

"Right!" Kage said. "Henceforth, to aid me in my efforts of... fair... distribution, I hereby appoint Andres as me First Mate and Double A as the Quartermaster." Both men walked up alongside Kage, looking pretty pleased with themselves that they were able to get in on the Kage-for-Captain bandwagon early. "Now then, final orders of business. If ye have night duties, see they're performed as usual! Otherwise, below decks with ye. We all have work to do tomorrow!"

And so the men of the Presence retired for the night, at least temporarily. They would shortly find out exactly who was threatening the ship this time around.

Day 1 tally:

Kagemusha: 12 (Double A, Andres, Kagemusha, BSmith, spaceman98, Csargo, seireikhaan, Ituralde, Choxorn, Ironside, Flax, autolycus)
NotJimRV: 11 (NotJimRV, Ishmael, Visorslash, Montmorency, Lissa, johnhughthom, Golden1Knight, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Zack, landlubber, El Barto)
Andres: 1 (Xiahou)
seireikhaan: 1 (Sprig)
Xiahou: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)

Didn't vote: 2 (Ice, TFT)

It is now Night 1. Please send in your orders. Night 1 will conclude on Sunday, September 27th, at 20:00 US Eastern Time. Note: Not all night phases will be this long! In the future it would be wise to have all night activities planned out and organized ahead of time to ensure successful execution of orders.



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Souls aboard: (28)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ice
Ironside
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
seireikhaan
spaceman98
Sprig
TFT
TheFlax
Visorslash
Xiahou
Zack

[GeneralHankerchief]

Errata: For those coming from other forums, talking at night in the public thread (as well as privately, obviously) is allowed.

Furthermore, wills matter! Don't forget to send them to me by PM if you want some of your gold to be passed on to other sailors in the event of your death. :yes:

[El Barto]

Arrr! Be carousin' allowed?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Arrr! Be carousin' allowed?

I'll treat it as "sleep" in terms of a night action (you get the 2 gold for submitting an order but nothing else), but I'll make sure the feedback PM indicates the distinction. :tongue:

[spaceman98]

To people trying to contact me: I've been without internet access for the later half of D1. I am now back in more civilized territory, and have internet access again. I will now respond

[Kagemusha]

To all crew members. If you are planning to form night action groups, please contact me, so we can coordinate all efforts. Name your group members and your preference for what you would like to do the coming night. Please do so during the next 16 hours starting from now. Those who have not contacted me after that. I will assign you to an group.

[GeneralHankerchief]

A request: I like knowing things. If you've got a Quicktopic or something similar, kindly send me the link to it so I can stay in the loop for my own game. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

To all crew members. If you are planning to form night action groups, please contact me, so we can coordinate all efforts. Name your group members and your preference for what you would like to do the coming night. Please do so during the next 16 hours starting from now. Those who have not contacted me after that. I will assign you to an group.

My god, I've become twins at the age of 32!!!

WHAT IN THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE

PS The original was better than the sequel. ;)

[Ituralde]

So we be under the command of the Golden Hands from this day on?
As long as there be some gold coming my way I am all for it!

[Zack]

To all crew members. If you are planning to form night action groups, please contact me, so we can coordinate all efforts. Name your group members and your preference for what you would like to do the coming night. Please do so during the next 16 hours starting from now. Those who have not contacted me after that. I will assign you to an group.
What if we're making a group to steal all of your gold?

[El Barto]

What if we're making a group to steal all of your gold?
Then he be knowin' wham ta send his men ta steal some gold from.

[Zack]

I should mention that I think having Kagemusha coordinate everything is a bad idea. There's nothing clearing him. No reason to believe he's town. I especially don't like the "I'll assign you to a group" part. Putting all eggs in one unconfirmed basket is asking for trouble.

I recommend the first mate investigate Kage and the quartermaster asap. Verify that the Captain and his buddies are trustworthy if they want to run the show.

[El Barto]

An' o' course, if'n when it be discovered that Doble A be nae trustworthy, then we replaces him with someone with more nautical experience. Arr!

[Choxorn]

I should mention that I think having Kagemusha coordinate everything is a bad idea. There's nothing clearing him. No reason to believe he's town. I especially don't like the "I'll assign you to a group" part. Putting all eggs in one unconfirmed basket is asking for trouble.

I recommend the first mate investigate Kage and the quartermaster asap. Verify that the Captain and his buddies are trustworthy if they want to run the show.

You're assuming that the first mate is trustworthy.

[Zack]

You're assuming that the first mate is trustworthy.
If he's mafia, I'd rather he investigate than kill anyways.

[El Barto]

After last game o' yours'n hosted at yonder See-Effin'-See, why say ye tha' people cannae use cover roles an' real roles' abilities? Ye be ill in the head, Zack. No' competent at all like yer cousin Zackbeard.

[Kagemusha]

I should mention that I think having Kagemusha coordinate everything is a bad idea. There's nothing clearing him. No reason to believe he's town. I especially don't like the "I'll assign you to a group" part. Putting all eggs in one unconfirmed basket is asking for trouble.

I recommend the first mate investigate Kage and the quartermaster asap. Verify that the Captain and his buddies are trustworthy if they want to run the show.

Zack old mate. We are not going to open our playbook to the Frenchies in the public. I am not yet scanned, but nor are you yet. I know that there are some of you who are itching to get inside of all things, but first show loyalty and we will see if you are worthy. And to everyone else. Yes. Loyalty is going to be rewarded with gold.

[Zack]

I don't care about getting inside your gang or being a grand organizer. I do care about the alignment of someone in a position of power who's trying to strongarm everyone into being their servants. Scan me as well tonight if you want, but kage needs to be investigated tonight, and ideally the quartermaster should be investigated soon. I'm just some guy, verifying the captain's allegiance is much more important than mine.

[Visor]

I don't care about getting inside your gang or being a grand organizer. I do care about the alignment of someone in a position of power who's trying to strongarm everyone into being their servants. Scan me as well tonight if you want, but kage needs to be investigated tonight, and ideally the quartermaster should be investigated soon. I'm just some guy, verifying the captain's allegiance is much more important than mine.

Yeah, we need to know the brass is clean before we strike south.

[Kagemusha]

I don't care about getting inside your gang or being a grand organizer. I do care about the alignment of someone in a position of power who's trying to strongarm everyone into being their servants. Scan me as well tonight if you want, but kage needs to be investigated tonight, and ideally the quartermaster should be investigated soon. I'm just some guy, verifying the captain's allegiance is much more important than mine.

Me was hoping we were all the same gang. You will know who have been checked by tomorrow morning, if it helps you sleep at night , one of those will be me.

What is bit mystery to me why some of you are so secretive about your own dealings?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I should mention that I think having Kagemusha coordinate everything is a bad idea. There's nothing clearing him. No reason to believe he's town. I especially don't like the "I'll assign you to a group" part. Putting all eggs in one unconfirmed basket is asking for trouble.

I recommend the first mate investigate Kage and the quartermaster asap. Verify that the Captain and his buddies are trustworthy if they want to run the show.

Aye on the first part, nay on the second.

I think investigating them is a wasted investigation. I don't want "verified trustworthy" people in charge.

That gives them an unwarranted sense of entitlement and authority, an affliction I vaguely recall being afflicted with many times.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is bit mystery to me why some of you are so secretive about your own dealings?

O Captain my Captain
I'll always be loyal and true

But should you tell me how to play
Your carcass will be at the bottom o the blue

[Kagemusha]

O Captain my Captain
I'll always be loyal and true

But should you tell me how to play
Your carcass will be at the bottom o the blue

I dont tell ya how to play, but il pay you gold for your efforts.We are crew afterall arent we?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not all of us.

It's been a short voyage, indeed. I wish you the best of luck, Captain. Remember what I said, however. A happy crew is one where you allow them their secret dealings.

That way, it's actually a surprise what happens next.

I should just leave this vessel with my gold tonight, but, I'd rather die a Pirate's death, with my cannonballs intact.

Yarr.

It's been a pleasure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, the matter o me Will.

I'm keepin it! :2thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

Just for the record. I aint after Pizza, those who are ,think again whats the sense in such?

[Visor]

Not me or my group. Doubt anyone attacks Pizza N1 anyway - probably a lie to throw protection people off if those are the rumours you've been hearing.

[Double A]

I don't care about getting inside your gang or being a grand organizer. I do care about the alignment of someone in a position of power who's trying to strongarm everyone into being their servants. Scan me as well tonight if you want, but kage needs to be investigated tonight, and ideally the quartermaster should be investigated soon. I'm just some guy, verifying the captain's allegiance is much more important than mine.

Yeah, I agree. I asked Andres to scan me and Kage tonight. I'd like you and Visor scanned tomorrow, but I don't feel like either of you is scummy. It's still nice to have assurances.

[Visor]

I'd love to be scanned actually.

[Double A]

And you asked me why I wanted to be scanned. :rolleyes:

[Visor]

And you asked me why I wanted to be scanned. :rolleyes:

Just replace the first mate/quartermaster everyday. easy.

[Double A]

would really prefer to keep my 0% conversion chance guard up

[Zack]

I dont tell ya how to play
Is that so? The PMs I've been getting paint a different picture.

[Visor]

Our Captain, o captain has been trying to organise things behind the scenes

We are free men! We are bound to no captain. You are elected by us, remember that kagey. :evil:

[Kagemusha]

Our Captain, o captain has been trying to organise things behind the scenes

We are free men! We are bound to no captain. You are elected by us, remember that kagey. :evil:

I am trying to lead this ship. Was that not the job i was elected into Visor or have you had bit too much of Rum? While i seem to have some bit reluctant crew members on my hands. I promise to do my best so we can get rid of any enemies for the ships security.

[Zack]

I am trying to lead this ship. Was that not the job i was elected into Visor or have you had bit too much of Rum? While i seem to have some bit reluctant crew members on my hands. I promise to do my best so we can get rid of any enemies for the ships security.
leading =/= micromanaging :stare:

[Visor]

I am trying to lead this ship. Was that not the job i was elected into Visor or have you had bit too much of Rum? While i seem to have some bit reluctant crew members on my hands. I promise to do my best so we can get rid of any enemies for the ships security.

What be ye definition of enemy Kage?

French? Or not a supporter of your regime....

[Visor]

Let us hear the night results first, and then we be judging whether ye are fit to captain this crew

yer word not be law yet

[Kagemusha]

French. Trying to coordinate is something entirely different rather then micromanage. Did i not ask for you to tell me about the plans of your clique Zack and Visor? What did you tell me? Nothing. Now that im trying to set up tasks based on what limited information i have you accuse me of micromanagement. Why dont you just cool your heads and wait for tomorrow?

[Zack]

You haven't told us anything about what you're doing. Why should we tell you?

[Kagemusha]

You haven't told us anything about what you're doing. Why should we tell you?

Il tell you when you have been checked. Or walk you to the Sea if you are Frenchie.

[Visor]

Zack, do you think we should tell the thread what the good captain has asked of us?

[Zack]

Il tell you when you have been checked. Or walk you to the Sea if you are Frenchie.
But you expect everyone to spill everything to you, even though you're not checked either?

[Zack]

Zack, do you think we should tell the thread what the good captain has asked of us?
Sure. He wants us to protect his cronies, probably so we're out of the way when Kage's hit squad comes for us.

[Kagemusha]

But you expect everyone to spill everything to you, even though you're not checked either?

I know im not French,but i will be checked tonight. I am just asking people to protect others in groups, can you say the same for your group Zack?

[Visor]

Sure. He wants us to protect his cronies, probably so we're out of the way when Kage's hit squad comes for us.

Yarr, he be asking us to protect his hired thugs, so that he can keep us from finding the french aboard this ship and so we're under his thumb

they already be protected!

[Visor]

I know im not French,but i will be checked tonight. I am just asking people to protect others in groups, can you say the same for your group Zack?

We be protecting the ships crew from threats

that be fer sure

[Zack]

I know im not French,but i will be checked tonight. I am just asking people to protect others in groups, can you say the same for your group Zack?
My group? What group?

What's so great about organizing protections, anyways?

[Kagemusha]

Yarr, he be asking us to protect his hired thugs, so that he can keep us from finding the french aboard this ship and so we're under his thumb

they already be protected!

You know why i asked this? Because Visor,Zack and their bunch doesnt want to protect people, but to kill them, even with WOG in place. Now i would understand robbing people, but no this fellows want taste of blood. There´s perfect material for the frenchies to hire. Or am i wrong?

[Visor]

You seem to KNOW we aren't french Kage?

[Kagemusha]

You seem to KNOW we aren't french Kage?

Great strawman. What ever you are, town doesnt exactly come to mind...

[Zack]

You know why i asked this? Because Visor,Zack and their bunch doesnt want to protect people, but to kill them, even with WOG in place. Now i would understand robbing people, but no this fellows want taste of blood. There´s perfect material for the frenchies to hire. Or am i wrong?
And the French would never convert someone doing meaningless protections?

[Zack]

Apparently, not being blindly obedient to Kage equals not town.

[Visor]

Killing the landlubbers who be hiding in the shadows be a great idea

keep the men honest and you won't fear no shady dealing

[Visor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5jh2Tew75c
tread softly kage

Let us see the night results first

[Visor]

Now, I'm not suggesting mutiny.... yet.

But lets see where dear old Kage leads us. I have not been won over by his threats nor his actions in and out of thread.

[spaceman98]

My group? What group?

What's so great about organizing protections, anyways?

People don't die to the French if their protected? That's pretty great.


In any case, I say keep calm and wait for morning.

[Andres]

We from Golden Hands are very disappointed to learn that nobody wishes to hire our services.

Bunch o' cheapskates.

Don't ye start cryin' if prices aarrr doubled when ye need us.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 1 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 1

As the Presence sailed northward to its destination in Nassau, very few of its crewmen slept. Some of them worked, completing their assigned nightly tasks. Some of them lay awake in their bunks, ruminating on the past two days and what was in their future. And some of them emerged from below decks, cutlasses in their hands and murder on their minds.


spaceman98 was their target. The three crewmen that had strategized about ending him beforehand had decided that the direct approach would be best for this. After all, as far as the crew was aware, there were no identified threats aboard the Presence. Oh sure, certainly there was that persistent rumor about the Frenchman finally returning to reclaim his ship, but they had been living under that specter for the past three years. No, there was no reason for anybody to suspect foul play.

And so they charged in, cutlasses out, screaming bloody murder. spaceman turned around, looking shocked. As the three had expected, he had been caught completely by surprise.

But then one of them tripped over a loose board, crashing down to the ground hard. One of his compatriots instinctively stopped to check on him, leaving only one man to take on spaceman. These were odds he could deal with. Finally getting his own cutlass out, spaceman dueled his lone assassin while said assassin was screaming for the other two to get back up and join him.

"I think he's got a concussion," the one who had gone down to help said. "Couldn't tell how many fingers I was holding up, didn't know where he was. Probably safest if he sit this one out, matey. I should bring him back below deck, make sure he be gettin' some rest."

"WHAT IN BLAZES BE A 'CONCUSSION'??!?!" shouted the lone attacker, completely furious at this turn of events. "Of course he didn't know where he was, he hit the bad grog from Itchy Lou's stash hard not 30 minutes ago! And of course he didn't know he many fingers ye were holdin' up, ye've got a bleedin' hook for a hand!"

The concussed sailor's helper took umbrage at this. "Well excuse me for not wantin' to follow proper safety protocol! Wouldn't be seemly to put men in danger so early on in the voyage home!" The two sailors started screaming at each other about proper concussion protocol and "overall misplacement of priorities", completely forgetting about spaceman, who slipped off quietly, not quite believing his luck.


TFT, one of the two crewmen who had not voted in the election for Captain that day, was resting peacefully in his bed. A relatively new signing aboard the Presence, he did not share the concern that many other sailors had that there was imminent danger ahead. Perhaps this was because TFT did not have much time to socialize with the crew, perhaps it was because he had not yet experienced a journey home after a big haul firsthand, but overall TFT felt that there were nothing but good times ahead.

The Golden Age of Piracy may have all but ended, but you could have fooled TFT. He was aboard the legendary Presence, the ship that had now pulled off three gigantic heists in six years and had gotten off pretty much scot-free. New Tortuga was founded because of the uptick in piracy that the Presence had almost singlehandedly brought back to the region. All the major navies in the area wanted nothing more than to capture the ship and bring its crew to justice, but there seemed to be a mystique around it, that nothing could go wrong for the ship or its sailors.

This would prove to be a colossal mistake on TFT's part. As he was lost in his own thoughts, he did not hear the footsteps of four sailors sneaking up to his bunk. One of them, coming in first, smothered him with a pillow to muffle any noises TFT might make in resistance. The other three then proceeded to stab him mercilessly - and quietly - until he bled out from his wounds.


Three sailors were chasing Askthepizzaguy around the ship, and ATPG had no such reservations about their intentions. He was running for his life. In a confined space like the Presence was, there was really no such thing as being able to run out of sight, but he had at very least managed to avoid being cornered... at least so far.

He knew it was only a matter of time though; his heavy breathing was proof enough of that. It wasn't looking good for him overall, because despite his running out of breath he still had far too much adrenaline pumping through his system to be able to formulate a rational plan to get out of this. And so ATPG continued running around, gradually losing more and more wind, still pursued, because this was all that his body was capable of doing. Eventually the adrenaline rush subsided and rational thought once again resumed, but at his point ATPG was too tired to be able to do much.

In the end, fate prevailed where his own condition and adrenaline could not. ATPG, still running, tripped over a familiar-looking loose board and went tumbling down in a heap. Before he could even process this, his three pursuers tripped as well, one over the board, two over *him*. The end result was a big pile of all four crewmen involved in the chase, all helplessly tangled together.

ATPG started punching and kicking, biting whatever he could, in an attempt to start a general fight amongst everybody involved. This plan was an instant success, and while ATPG's attackers were now all blindly doing everything they could to pummel each other, ATPG crawled out of the pile and went back below decks. He would live to fight another day.


The morning, Captain Kagemusha awoke to the sound of several people pounding at his cabin door - frantically so, by the sound of it. He sighed. This was the bad part of the Captaincy, he surmised.

"All right, all right, what be yer issue?" he got out, before he was accosted by seemingly half the ship demanding justice.

Stealing!
Attempted murder!
More stealing!
Unjust lockup!
Another attempted murder!
Even more stealing!
"Captain, we be havin' a corpse over here." That one was his First Mate, reporting on TFT's demise.

"Quiet, quiet, QUIIIIIIIII-ET!" Kage roared. Finally there was silence.

"Now then, obviously this past night wasn't exactly as peaceful and restful as I asked for. We be havin' as many crimes and complaints aboard as Bessie's Brothel has girls with the pox, and obviously we can't be havin' any such thing if we want to get home from Nassau safely. It be as I feared: that blasted Frenchman has finally made it back aboard and he be doing what he does best."

"Trying and failing to get the Captaincy?"

"No! Well, maybe, too early to tell. I meant to say sowing discontent and mayhem among us upstandin' crewmen! So it leaves me no choice but to institute the same policy we had in the past when this situation has arisen: Every day, for as long there is crime at night, we shall vote for one person who we think is responsible to walk the plank. By the time we make it home, there may be fewer of us, but we all be safer and richer than ever before."

There wasn't that much of a reaction to this. The veteran sailors of the Presence surely knew it was coming. And so the rest of the crew, following Kage's lead, began the process of voting for the day.

OOC: It is now Day 2. Voting will last until Tuesday, September 29th, at 13:00 US Eastern Time.



Feedback PMs are incoming, please alert me if there are any errors. I will post in the thread once I have sent them all out.

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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1)

Killed: TFT (n1)

Souls aboard: (27)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ice
Ironside
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
seireikhaan
spaceman98
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Xiahou
Zack

[Visor]

Well, well well, looks like two people didn't send in orders.

[Zack]

Who did Quartermaster Double A block, and what were the results of First Mate Andres' investigations?

[Zack]

I suggest that someone who was scanned innocent last night is made the new first mate. Andres can have the position back once he's investigated.

[El Barto]

Why be the update sayin' that Day 2 be concluded already?

[Visor]

I suggest that someone who was scanned innocent last night is made the new first mate. Andres can have the position back once he's investigated.

Yeah this good actually. If AA is innocent, make him the first mate and throw someone else in quartermaster.

[Visor]

It seems I was thrown in the brig!

What do you have to say for yourself Kagemusha?

[El Barto]

That he was na' trusting ye?

[landlubber]

What a bloody ol' mess. Seems our captain be tryin' ta shackle us. We're free men here, no need to throw those in the brig just cause we disagree. Bloody unreasonable.

[Zack]

It seems I was thrown in the brig!

What do you have to say for yourself Kagemusha?
Yeah, this is annoying. Not only does Kage throw one of his most vocal opponents (and the loudest proponent for his rival candidate) in the brig, but he also tried to set up protection rings and bribes to disrupt vig groups. Captain Kagemusha clearly prioritizes consolidating his power over eliminating the French.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All feedback PMs are now out. Thank you for your patience. PM me if you think there are any errors.


Why be the update sayin' that Day 2 be concluded already?

It shouldn't.

[El Barto]

It shouldn't.
Then ye be havin' a faulty time-measuring device, young man.

[Zack]

Why be the update sayin' that Day 2 be concluded already?


Then ye be havin' a faulty time-measuring device, young man.
I have no idea what you're talking about, the timer is working fine and says the deadline is on Tuesday.

[Ishmael]

Then ye be havin' a faulty time-measuring device, young man.

OOC: Try changing your forum skin. I've had that issue in the past.


At any rate, I'm curious to see the results of the First Mate's scan, assuming he chooses to reveal them. No point in voting until then, I figure.

[El Barto]

I have no idea what you're talking about, the timer is working fine and says the deadline is on Tuesday.

OOC: Try changing your forum skin. I've had that issue in the past.
The problem be still unsolved. What a conundrum this be-eth!

[Visor]

OOC: Try changing your forum skin. I've had that issue in the past.


At any rate, I'm curious to see the results of the First Mate's scan, assuming he chooses to reveal them. No point in voting until then, I figure.

We don't be scan based lifeforms

ye vote accordin to who ye think be French

I await to hear our dear Captains word, but throwing an innocent man in the brig is not the mark of a pirate's pirate!

[El Barto]

But, wee Visorslashie, we be always throwing innocent men out o' their houses an' onto our swordblades! The product o' that be called loot!

[Visor]

But, wee Visorslashie, we be always throwing innocent men out o' their houses an' onto our swordblades! The product o' that be called loot!

They not be par' o' the crew laddie!

I be a loyal member of the crew, but this injustice is intolerable!

[GeneralHankerchief]

The problem be still unsolved. What a conundrum this be-eth!

In this case I would post your issue in the Org Issues and Improvements (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134347-Org-Issues-and-Improvements) thread, located in the Watchtower.

[El Barto]

Yarrrr, I be postin' there and makin' inquiries. Thanked be ye, GeneralHankerchief!

[Sprig]

Squawky Jim stretched his neck, then stretched out his arms from side to side flexing the bulging muscles. It would have been impressive if it wasn't for his other curious trait. His voice rolled like thunder...

"We may plunder Galleys Galleons and Harbours, Towns and Villages but what we don't plunder from, is our own. Ye have a code to live by and those the break that code should be made to walk the plank!" *Squawk*"

[Visor]

Squawky Jim stretched his neck, then stretched out his arms from side to side flexing the bulging muscles. It would have been impressive if it wasn't for his other curious trait. His voice rolled like thunder...

"We may plunder Galleys Galleons and Harbours, Towns and Villages but what we don't plunder from, is our own. Ye have a code to live by and those the break that code should be made to walk the plank!" *Squawk*"

Ye been stolen from?

What treachery.

[El Barto]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

[Visor]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

Yarr, but they not be members of the crew laddie! This be an important distinction.

[Sprig]

Squawky Jim drew his knife and with a grinned with sharp brilliance that matched the blades edge, his baritone voice called out once more.

"Indeed. 20 gold pieces is what is owed and I'll take it in a pound of flesh unless he return it this night. *squawk*"

[Sprig]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

Squawky Jim's eyes flashed in anger.
"A french way of thinking, and a french way of hearing too! filthy traitor. *squawk*"

Vote: El Barto

[Kagemusha]

Good morning. The first mate Andres is still too hangover to wake up, but he is going to tell all how my and Double A´s investigation went once he wakes up. And to Visor and Zack, yes we are switching the roles of Double A and Andres once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie and he is going to investigate Andres and someone else the coming night.

Now to the matters of the night. I think the matter of TFT does not need to be debated further. Some of you wanted him dead and got him dead, which i dont still understand why killing him was better business then at least robbing him blind first. Now i would really like to know who has the guts to tell if they attacked ATGP or spaceman98 and exactly why?

[Zack]

Personally I think we should never kill anyone so the Frenchies have more time to find viable recruits.

[Zack]

Good morning. The first mate Andres is still too hangover to wake up, but he is going to tell all how my and Double A´s investigation went once he wakes up. And to Visor and Zack, yes we are switching the roles of Double A and Andres once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie and he is going to investigate Andres and someone else the coming night.

Now to the matters of the night. I think the matter of TFT does not need to be debated further. Some of you wanted him dead and got him dead, which i dont still understand why killing him was better business then at least robbing him blind first. Now i would really like to know who has the guts to tell if they attacked ATGP or spaceman98 and exactly why?
Why do you already think Double A is not French? Why did you have Visor thrown in the brig? Why did you try to disrupt the vig groups?

[Kagemusha]

Why do you already think Double A is not French? Why did you have Visor thrown in the brig? Why did you try to disrupt the vig groups?

I dont, where you get that idea? Because that most likely saved life of ATGP or spaceman? Because i dont believe in blind killing. Maybe you would like to now answer my questions?

[El Barto]

Yarr, but they not be members of the crew laddie! This be an important distinction.
Ye be sayin' weird things.

Squawky Jim drew his knife and with a grinned with sharp brilliance that matched the blades edge, his baritone voice called out once more.

"Indeed. 20 gold pieces is what is owed and I'll take it in a pound of flesh unless he return it this night. *squawk*"
So, someone be stealin' 20 doubloons from ye, eh? Tha' eb mighty bad indeed.

Squawky Jim's eyes flashed in anger.
"A french way of thinking, and a french way of hearing too! filthy traitor. *squawk*"

Vote: El Barto
Arrrr, parrots be nay alowed ta vote.

[Zack]

I dont, where you get that idea?
You said:


once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie
Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.


Because that most likely saved life of ATGP or spaceman?
So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?


Because i dont believe in blind killing.
Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?


Maybe you would like to now answer my questions?
Even if I knew the answer to your question (I'm guessing you're referring to your question about who attacked ATPG/spaceman and why), I wouldn't answer it. Why should I? There's really no reason to tell you.

[Kagemusha]

You said:


Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.


So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?


Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?


Even if I knew the answer to your question (I'm guessing you're referring to your question about who attacked ATPG/spaceman and why), I wouldn't answer it. Why should I? There's really no reason to tell you.

Why dont you first answer to my questions and we can then continue from there? I dont know what have made you so upset, but i apologize if i have hurt your feelings somehow.

Just a little tip why i want to know who were the attackers failing to attack ATGP and spaceman is that they are atleast for now, not frenchies, but of course who i am to ask for such.
Would that also been revealed if the vig attacks would not have been hampered?

[Visor]

Kage, these assumptions you make make no sense from a town perspective.

You keep saying you know myself, Zack and AA are town before any sort of confirmation - but you're still working to hinder myself at the very least.

You then say the people on the failed attack are not french, how/why? Surely the french would just fall in line if asked for now?

These leaps sound like PIS.

[Zack]

Why dont you first answer to my questions and we can then continue from there? I dont know what have made you so upset, but i apologize if i have hurt your feelings somehow.
First of all, no you have not hurt my feelings, and it's ridiculous to even suggest that.

I don't think you really understand how precarious a position you're in. With the way the game is set up, the captain's seat is a ticking time bomb towards mutiny. To delay that mutiny as long as possible, you need to be a politician and diplomat who placates and pleases people. You've done pretty much the opposite, antagonizing and alienating the masses. Your survival depends on the people's support, and that support is almost nonexistent as of this time. You do not have any leverage. You are not in a strong position at the moment. So your condescension and bullying tactics are not going to fly. There are a lot of serious issues people have with your captaincy so far, and you've done absolutely nothing today to change that. You're not addressing these concerns, you're avoiding them and trying to flip the blame back onto others.


Just a little tip why i want to know who were the attackers failing to attack ATGP and spaceman is that they are atleast for now, not frenchies, but of course who i am to ask for such.
Just a little tip, don't ignore me. You need to address the questions and issues raised by myself and every other person who's posted in this phase so far. Ignoring them and sarcastically asking me to answer your silly question first is unacceptable.

Let me be clear: no one is going to tell you who attacked ATPG and spaceman. There's no reason to believe that clears them of anything, and there's zero reason to reveal their identities to anyone else. The only reason you'd need to know is so can throw them in the brig to disrupt the vigilante hits.

How about you tell everyone what you were doing last night? I'm guessing you're not going to tell anyone even as you insist on everyone else revealing their actions to you.


Would that also been revealed if the vig attacks would not have been hampered?
Huh? How does your meddling confirm anyone as not French?

[Kagemusha]

Kage, these assumptions you make make no sense from a town perspective.

You keep saying you know myself, Zack and AA are town before any sort of confirmation - but you're still working to hinder myself at the very least.

You then say the people on the failed attack are not french, how/why? Surely the french would just fall in line if asked for now?

These leaps sound like PIS.

I already said i dont know if Double A is a Frenchie, but i will know when Andres shows up. My English grammar is not perfect you know? And ive not said anything about knowing if you are French or not. Read the rules concerning the Frenchies, had there been those in the vig failing short, they would have still killed their marks.

[Visor]

Let me be clear: no one is going to tell you who attacked ATPG and spaceman. There's no reason to believe that clears them of anything, and there's zero reason to reveal their identities to anyone else. The only reason you'd need to know is so can throw them in the brig to disrupt the vigilante hits.

How about you tell everyone what you were doing last night? I'm guessing you're not going to tell anyone even as you insist on everyone else revealing their actions to you. This is extremely important - we need to be on equal footing.

[Visor]

I already said i dont know if Double A is a Frenchie, but i will know when Andres shows up. My English grammar is not perfect you know? And ive not said anything about knowing if you are French or not. Read the rules concerning the Frenchies, had there been those in the vig failing short, they would have still killed their marks.

They're not performing an individual kill - they're performing a team kill like a regular vanilla townie?

[Kagemusha]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

[Zack]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

Like I said...


You're not addressing these concerns, you're avoiding them and trying to flip the blame back onto others.

[Visor]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

In a team kill 4 members succeed - or at least a chance, any less won't work. That's why two kills failed.

[Visor]

Kage, what did you do last night?

What did you order last night? - You don't have to answer this, but it is a sign of good faith.

[Zack]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

[Kagemusha]

Like I said...


I already answered all your questions. Can you tell me which one i did not? How many of mine did you answer to me? Please contribute and we can have a discussion, otherwise you are wasting me time.

[Kagemusha]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.

[Visor]

If the vig attempts suceeded we would know if any frenchmen were on those orders they would not be doing french things.

If they failed we would NOT know that. Succeeding is better than failing.

[Zack]

Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.
Why not have everyone join 3-man vig groups? Why order people to protect and steal, neither of which clear them of anything? You specifically tried to organize protections against vig targets, which would nullify your whole idea for clearing people through failed vig attempts (unless for some reason you believe the French can kill through protection)? Again, can you specifically reference what rule you're talking about? No one else can find the part that says Frenchies automatically make townie vig groups succeed regardless of numbers. I see no reason to believe that.


I already answered all your questions. Can you tell me which one i did not? How many of mine did you answer to me? Please contribute and we can have a discussion, otherwise you are wasting me time.
You did not answer any of these questions:


You said:


Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.
You just brushed this off and denied it, but whatever. As Visor pointed out you've been talking about certain people as if you know they're town, yet you keep dismissing this as false.


So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?
Why is being part of a vig group reason to block Visor?
How did you know Visor was in a vig group?
Is there some reason why spaceman and ATPG are bad kill targets? Why is killing them undesirable?
The justification you gave was based on the results - it "prevented a night kill". What was the original motive behind the block?
Do you think Visor is French? Why or why not? If not, why would you block him?

It seems like you blocked Visor because he was a vocal opponent of yours, not because of any suspicion of him.


Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?
What is wrong with vig killing in theory? What makes them worse than the lynch?
Why would you go to such efforts to disrupt them, meaning a significant number of players ended up wasting their time?

[Visor]

Nightkills are actually bad for the french as it (potentially) narrows conversion targets.

[Kagemusha]

Let us ask the Gods. ​GH, if there is a fenchman or his agent part of a vig squad. Does the vig squad need 4 people to succeed, or will the attack of a frenchie kill the mark anyway?

[Zack]

This is unbelievable. You still refuse to even acknowledge any of my concerns. You are endangering the town cause, and I've waited long enough for you to change your tune. We need a new captain.

Vote: Mutiny

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let us ask the Gods. ​GH, if there is a fenchman or his agent part of a vig squad. Does the vig squad need 4 people to succeed, or will the attack of a frenchie kill the mark anyway?

Frenchmen agents killing without any town influence (i.e. a true mafia kill) require two agents to succeed in most circumstances. If they're killing as part of a townie kill group, they don't count for extra and thus the full four is still needed.

[Kagemusha]

This is unbelievable. You still refuse to even acknowledge any of my concerns. You are endangering the town cause, and I've waited long enough for you to change your tune. We need a new captain.

Vote: Mutiny

I am sorry. I have to run a company in real life, so i may not have my personal instant messenger service just for you. Il address your concerns when i have more time and energy, the day is still young, but at least your motivations for yesterday and this mornings episode are now quite clear.

[Visor]

Vote: Mutiny.

The problem Kage, is that none of your actions make sense from a town motivation, and you've ignored attempts to make things more transparent.

[Zack]

I am sorry. I have to run a company in real life, so i may not have my personal instant messenger service just for you. Il address your concerns when i have more time and energy, the day is still young, but at least your motivations for yesterday and this mornings episode are now quite clear.

Your motivations are also quite clear.

[Ituralde]

There be a mutiny already, this is real pirating to be sure.

Just to understand for me simple fellow: There be people killed at night by bands of other pirates. Some say this is good, beacause the Dead can not become French, others say this is bad because the Dead will be well... dead.

For me a choice between dead and french sound terrible! Any other choices? Me thinks we should rather kill the French that be doing the conversioninginging... how do this word end?

[Visor]

Where ye stand on these matters? I have no confidence in our captain.

[Montmorency]

I would support a mutiny, but I have some concerns.

Why is Andres not making an appearance, even though he has read my PMs and those of others? Why is he posting irrelevant stuff about his "Golden Hands" company, which sounds an awful lot like a front or shell organization?

And most troublingly, why does no one consider third-parties and their impact on the Town-French dynamic?

[Zack]

What does any of that have to do with the mutiny?

[Visor]

And most troublingly, why does no one consider third-parties and their impact on the Town-French dynamic?

Until I see evidence I can't fight against a threat I don't know exists.

I am sure there will be at least one third party, perhaps a Guardacosta agent or something from the last game - but it isn't relevant yet.

[Montmorency]

I want them on our minds. No mutiny circuses.

[Visor]

This is no circus. The captain is not a revolving door position.

[Lissa]

Vote: mutiny

What Kage is doing does not make sense.

[Ishmael]

Do the mutineers have a proposal for the new captain? I agree that Kage's actions as captain have been questionable, and removing him is all well and good, but it would nice to know who we're likely to be replacing him with. I'd be happy to vote for NotJim tomorrow, but I'm not sure if he'd still want to stand now he's seen the risks that go along with the captaincy position.

[Visor]

I've got two options in mind. NotJim or Double A.

[Visor]

NotJim: Been very townie in my talks with him. Didn't push for the captaincy at all. Even when it got close and he had a real chance, he did not attempt to bribe a single person or make deals with anyone. If he was French I think he would take the opportunity very quickly. He also has a good alibi last night.

Double A: Good alibi last night (even if it isn't the most helpful), been very level headed in our talks and discussion, hopefully scanned good by Andres. I've also played and hosted games with Double A as town recently and he is fitting the playstyle he has shown in those games.

[NotJimRV]

Perhaps we ought to consider another alternative for captain - start over with a fresh state, as they say.

[spaceman98]

I suggest that someone who was scanned innocent last night is made the new first mate. Andres can have the position back once he's investigated.

I second this proposal.


____________________________________________

Why are people vigging at this stage? Vigilante parties have very little to go off of, so their more likely to hit townies, so help the French scum.

_______________________________________


Good morning. The first mate Andres is still too hangover to wake up, but he is going to tell all how my and Double A´s investigation went once he wakes up. And to Visor and Zack, yes we are switching the roles of Double A and Andres once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie and he is going to investigate Andres and someone else the coming night.

Now to the matters of the night. I think the matter of TFT does not need to be debated further. Some of you wanted him dead and got him dead, which i dont still understand why killing him was better business then at least robbing him blind first. Now i would really like to know who has the guts to tell if they attacked ATGP or spaceman98 and exactly why?

"once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie"

Why so certain? This sounds like PIS.



Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.

By your logic you should have ordered the whole town to participate in 3-person vig groups. If you were correct, those that suceed would have had a Frenchman in them, and we would have had the game close to solved.


If the vig attempts suceeded we would know if any frenchmen were on those orders they would not be doing french things.

If they failed we would NOT know that. Succeeding is better than failing.

Suceeding also means someone is killed. If that someone is town, that brings the frenchies closer to victory. I'm not inclined to support runaway vigging at this stage.

Unless you think most of the town is recruitable (as oppose to recruitable people being rare)? If so, why do you think that?


Why not have everyone join 3-man vig groups? Why order people to protect and steal, Did Kage actually ORDER people to steal? If so, that's a clearly anti-town action on his part. Stealing doesn't help the town, it just helps one individual and hurts another. If Kage really ordered people to steal, then we should all mutiny, because that just doesn't make sense from a town perspectiveneither of which clear them of anything? You specifically tried to organize protections against vig targets, which would nullify your whole idea for clearing people through failed vig attempts (unless for some reason you believe the French can kill through protection)? Again, can you specifically reference what rule you're talking about? No one else can find the part that says Frenchies automatically make townie vig groups succeed regardless of numbers. I see no reason to believe that.


You did not answer any of these questions:


You just brushed this off and denied it, but whatever. As Visor pointed out you've been talking about certain people as if you know they're town, yet you keep dismissing this as false.


Why is being part of a vig group reason to block Visor?
How did you know Visor was in a vig group?
Is there some reason why spaceman and ATPG are bad kill targets? Why is killing them undesirable?
The justification you gave was based on the results - it "prevented a night kill". What was the original motive behind the block?
Do you think Visor is French? Why or why not? If not, why would you block him?

It seems like you blocked Visor because he was a vocal opponent of yours, not because of any suspicion of him.


What is wrong with vig killing in theory? What makes them worse than the lynch? Lynches generate more publically visible discussion in-thread
Why would you go to such efforts to disrupt them, meaning a significant number of players ended up wasting their time?


Do the mutineers have a proposal for the new captain? I agree that Kage's actions as captain have been questionable, and removing him is all well and good, but it would nice to know who we're likely to be replacing him with. I'd be happy to vote for NotJim tomorrow, but I'm not sure if he'd still want to stand now he's seen the risks that go along with the captaincy position.

Do we trust Andres? If so, then if we mutiny, we appoint one of the people he scanned.

Otherwise, I guess NotJim, since he was the alternative option yesterday?

______________________________

Overall: I agree with Kage that runaway vigging is a bad strategy. On the other hand, some of his posts look like PIS, and if Kage has actually been ordering people to steal at night, that's anti-town. I want elaboration on that if before I take a stance on the mutiny either way.

[Ishmael]

I feel bad helping to kill somebody off after they've only been captain for a single day, but unfortunately I don't think Kagemusha remaining as captain is in the best interests of the town. Sorry Kage.

vote: Mutiny

[Ishmael]

Why are people vigging at this stage? Vigilante parties have very little to go off of, so their more likely to hit townies, so help the French scum.


By that reasoning you should never lynch in the early stages if the game (if no lynch is an option), since the same conditions are met. The same argument holds for both vigging and lynching - it's a means for the townies to have a chance of killing scum, in a way that is difficult for them to counter. Plus, in a game with recruitment such as this, vigging has the added benefit of reducing the amount of time the mafia has to convert new members.

[Ituralde]

What be PIS, honest question here?

I do like to hear from Andres and Double A. After all Double A was the first to elect Kagemusha, Andres the second. It look to me they was pushin to elect Kage not the other way around.

[Visor]

@ Spaceman


Unless you think most of the town is recruitable (as oppose to recruitable people being rare)? If so, why do you think that?

If its anything like the other games, a lot of people are various variations of the Able Seamen role GH posted as a sample. Most town roles will be recruitable I'd imagine.

[Visor]

What be PIS, honest question here?

I do like to hear from Andres and Double A. After all Double A was the first to elect Kagemusha, Andres the second. It look to me they was pushin to elect Kage not the other way around.

Perfect Information Syndrome or TMI (too much information). Often done by mafia who accidentally say things that no townie could know (number of mafia, as a random example). In this instance we're saying that Kage has said both myself, Zack and AA are all town but he can't know that for sure if he is town - which leads us to believe he's mafia.

[Ishmael]

What be PIS, honest question here?


Perfect Information Syndrome. In the most blatant cases, it's when scum reveals information that a townie couldn't have known. Usually it tends to be more subtle/ambiguous, for example if somebody implicitly assumes a player is town (which the mafia would know with certainty, but a townie wouldn't).

I strongly suspect the abbreviation was made simply for the punning potential, mind :beam:.

EDIT: Gah, ninja'd by Visor.

[spaceman98]

Perhaps we ought to consider another alternative for captain - start over with a fresh state, as they say.

Who do you suggest if not yourself or Kage?


By that reasoning you should never lynch in the early stages if the game (if no lynch is an option), since the same conditions are met. The same argument holds for both vigging and lynching - it's a means for the townies to have a chance of killing scum, in a way that is difficult for them to counter. Plus, in a game with recruitment such as this, vigging has the added benefit of reducing the amount of time the mafia has to convert new members.


Lynching generates more discussion than vigging does in my experience. Early lynches often hit scum. In my experience, early viges do so much more rarely



@ Spaceman



If its anything like the other games, a lot of people are various variations of the Able Seamen role GH posted as a sample. Most town roles will be recruitable I'd imagine.

I guess this is a fair point. I wasn't in the first two games. Did recruitment mechanisms exist in them? How much did they threaten the town there?

[Visor]

Who do you suggest if not yourself or Kage?




Lynching generates more discussion than vigging does in my experience. Early lynches often hit scum. In my experience, early viges do so much more rarely




I guess this is a fair point. I wasn't in the first two games. Did recruitment mechanisms exist in them? How much did they threaten the town there?

There was some recruitment in the second game (I wasn't in the first) but the scum got blown out by the town by night five or six or something so it wasn't a big issue (scum were lazy, missed orders and all that I think).

Vigging helps clear out a lot of scummy players IMO.

Double A is a good choice if clean IMO, thoughts?

[Ituralde]

Thanks for enlighteninginging... helpin me!

Visorslash you be saying DoubleA and NotJimRV be having a good alibi for last night.
DoubleA because he threw ye in the brig, information we have from you.
What be NotJimRVs alibi then?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who is ATGP?

Askthegaypirate?

[Visor]

Thanks for enlighteninginging... helpin me!

Visorslash you be saying DoubleA and NotJimRV be having a good alibi for last night.
DoubleA because he threw ye in the brig, information we have from you.
What be NotJimRVs alibi then?

I'll let him reveal it if he wants - but its definitely solid.

[Montmorency]

Kage has proven imprudent, his First Mate obscure. If this body is not capable of guiding the ship, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a vote of no confidence in Captain Kagemusha's leadership.

Vote: Mutiny

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone's PM box is full who I have been speaking with. Clear it out you scurvy swine!

[Kagemusha]

Imprudent Kage´s obscure First Mate is living in European time zone and probably working just like imprudent Kage is, so im sure you will start hearing from him in maybe 4-6 hours. Carry on with the mutiny.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ach, ye could at least threaten to make all the mutineers walk the plank if the Mutiny fails.

Come on, throw the fear of god or worse the Kraken into em.

MOOO!!!! MOOOO!!!!!

Krakens moo, right?

[Sprig]

Ach, ye could at least threaten to make all the mutineers walk the plank if the Mutiny fails.

Come on, throw the fear of god or worse the Kraken into em.

MOOO!!!! MOOOO!!!!!

Krakens moo, right?

"Your Guess is as good as mine. Either way, I would be concerned if I heard a 'moo' while at sea. *squawk*"

[NotJimRV]

Who do you suggest if not yourself or Kage?

Double A I guess? I'm not seeing any other names being thrown up.


What be NotJimRVs alibi then?

I was part of one of the vig groups last night

[Ituralde]

Successful or not?

[johnhughthom]

Krakens moo, right?

Only when making love. How do I know, I hear you ask? Well. I used to date a pirate marine biologist, and she used to call me "the kraken". At bed time...

Err, back to current events.

I'm not really sure Kage is acting any differently to how we'd expect a captain to, did we elect a captain or a "sit in his cabin, counting his gold, polishing his wooden leg, singing "la la la la la" honorary figurehead"? Because I want a captain. Not a figure. Head.