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10 gold is a earnest prize for any pirate. Also a well paying job would become available, seems rather positive undertaking, or maybe you guys just have to pay off Pizza, but would that create a worrying precedent?
Are you saying this because I got you mutinied or because you actually think I'm scum. Be honest now. :laugh4:
Double A
10-02-2015, 14:37
Would anyone who still actually wants to find the French and kill them before they kill us shoot me a PM? I'm getting really damn tired of this ridiculous nonsense.
Ituralde
10-02-2015, 14:40
I be always ready to get rid of French scum!
Kagemusha
10-02-2015, 14:41
Are you saying this because I got you mutinied or because you actually think I'm scum. Be honest now. :laugh4:
Im just sitting here at the bottom of the sea with my saggy popcorn. Watching how events unfold. ~:wave:
johnhughthom
10-02-2015, 14:43
Would anyone who still actually wants to find the French and kill them before they kill us shoot me a PM? I'm getting really damn tired of this ridiculous nonsense.
Careful now cap'n, keep talking like that and I might start to like you.
As much as I love talking about myself, we're going to get nowhere productive with it.
Now yell at me all you like for this - but this is extremely important to answer - anyone who has been roleblocked besides myself and Xiahou please claim immediately.
Careful now cap'n, keep talking like that and I might start to like you.
It's all an act, don't believe his lies.
Askthepizzaguy
10-02-2015, 14:59
10 gold is a earnest prize for any pirate. Also a well paying job would become available, seems rather positive undertaking, or maybe you guys just have to pay off Pizza, but would that create a worrying precedent?
Maybe, but there are reasonable and unreasonable demands. Say for example everyone demanded 3 gold from me or else they'd all lynch me. Now, technically I can carry that out over a long period of time, but it's kind of self-defeating.
If folks make unreasonable demands, they should be vigged or lynched off. Seems fair. Otherwise what's the point of playing in a game where you can bribe and accept bribes?
I'm off for a while. TTY later folks.
Ituralde
10-02-2015, 15:23
I'm going off for the weekend soonish and won't be around as much. I don't know, if GH will clarify anything or not, but it remains that I am a sturdy Able Seaman and everyone here now knows, what I did the last two nights.
Which is more than I can say of other people here. That's why I'll be voting Lissa again.
I only be seein votes and no talkin in the thread. You be French?
The rest have fun and don't make me pay three gold to ATPG.
Unvote
I need everyone to answer that question I asked about the roleblocking - it is of sincere urgency.
Has anyone been roleblocked here besides myself and Xiahou at any stage?
You/some people already know this but I was blocked n1.
I don't buy xiahou's 199 vs 200 gold thing based on his reaction to the whole thing.
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 15:38
Closed pending cleanup.
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 15:53
Open.
I strongly recommend that everyone re-familiarize themselves with the Gameroom rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135992-Gameroom-Rules-and-Reference-READ-THIS-BEFORE-PLAYING&p=2053323525&viewfull=1#post2053323525) before they leave me with pages of profanity and unpleasant behavior to clean up overnight even though I specifically asked them not to do this a short while ago.
If you need to vent your frustrations about the game's progress, I am a convenient and neutral sounding board who would be happy to hear about it in private. But keep it OUT of the thread.
Now, I know I'm supposed to be resolving a question involving Ituralde and gold totals, but I'm not exactly certain what I need to be clearing up. If anybody could summarize the question I need to be answering, I'd be very grateful.
Ituralde
10-02-2015, 16:01
This was my post on the matter:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053660660&viewfull=1#post2053660660
The rules part would be here:
When actively performing at night, in your orders PM you must send me the exact specifics: What you are doing, the name of every person who is doing it with you, and who you are doing it to. If there is miscommunication and the orders do not match up, they will not be executed. Not only will this deprive you of treasure, but it may also put you at risk of public exposure or dying! Beware!
But now you Double A - and also Csargo in a PM - tell me that it doesn't matter who I mention in my order PM. As long as three people happen to send in the order: I protect Andres no matter who ther co-protectors are. All three people receive the 10 gold? This directly contradicts the bolded part above, where it says they will not be executed.
Good gracious this be a talkative lot. Would some kind soul (asking a lot I know) summarize the various cases that have been presented this morning? This pirate still needs his morning coffee.
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 16:07
Okay, so basically there's a lot more leeway in how I resolve orders if they're not seriously tested - i.e. the target isn't attacked.
Let's say you're Person A. You send in an order that says Persons A, B, and C protect Person X. If Person X isn't attacked that night, then you assume by all accounts that the protection would have been successful and you then take your gold and go on your merry way.
If your order is Persons A, B, and C protect X but Person C goes off and does something different, and X isn't attacked, same thing, because your protection was never "proven wrong", of sorts. The same thing if you send in the usual order and Person C goes off but Person D subs in for the protection.
However, if Person X *is* attacked, that's when things change. If your group isn't of minimum strength, or if you got the orders wrong (say, you never accounted for Person D stepping in to help protect in your PM), then the orders didn't match up and they would fail.
So in other words, people sending in protection orders will always blissfully assume that their orders turned out right and would have succeeded... unless their target is attacked. Then, we see just how well-coordinated they truly are.
Ituralde
10-02-2015, 16:13
Thank you for the clarification. This means the bolded part is only handled in such a strict manner, when there is an actual attack.
You didn't specifically mention the gold rewards.
In your second scenario the blissfully assuming Persons A and B are actually reinforced by receiving 10 gold.
And they would receive 7 gold, if they had mentioned a fourth person?
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 16:14
Had they mentioned a fourth, yes - because that's the reward they assume they'd get.
Ituralde
10-02-2015, 16:17
That be interestin. This makes untested protections a good source of gold then, but it also makes it easier for French scum to hide in one.
I be keepin this in mind then, goin forward.
Alright, back to business.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-02-2015, 16:23
As I mentioned earlier - Csargo's reaction to Ituralde's PM makes me inclined to view him as innocent. Similarly, Ituralde PMing Csargo his thanks for the successful protection would seem to be sincere. Call me naive, but the fact that Ituralde has only just now had the mechanic explained suggests that he was not deliberately trying to fool Csargo at the outset. That would be a major double-bluff.
Our fearless leaders appear to have conducted themselves well so far. I'll admit this makes me uncertain of my next vote...
Three people I would like to hear from are: Ice, autolycus and TheFlax...
What exactly is the case against Visor? I don't get it. Are people just mad that they've been targeted by failed vig attacks, and blame it on visor?
I guess we have our answer why Xiahou didn't want to reveal his gold - because revealing he really had 199 gold after so vehemently defending against the preposterous claim he had 200 gold would look silly.
To be clear, I don't even think he's French. I'm doing this purely to incite chaos and have fun. Ha!
I don't care about the French!
I only want gold!
I only want chaos and "fun"!
Insinuating I am not town is a personal insult to my character and I will not only rant and rave about the injustice of it all, but also put a bounty on your hard for it!
Everyone else is "boring" for not playing the exact same way as me and you should feel ashamed!
To be fair, an inconsistency like that might lead me to dig my heels in some even though it was fairly insignificant in scale.
Sorry GH. I'll tone it down.
Three people I would like to hear from are: Ice, autolycus and TheFlax...I'd add landlubber to that as well. He's been awfully quite after being the lynch runner-up.
I think there's good reason to suspect Ice... but is there a WOG mechanic in this game? If so, his inactivity should take care of him anyhow. I wouldn't waste time lynching him yet.
Why would he not just say the exact amount of gold he got, if he knew the exact amount xiahou had? That's really odd imo. Not to mention the fact that the amount he has is within the realm of possibility. I don't see the case here.
At this point I'm assuming anyone who is parroting this idiotic line is just doing so out of ignorance.
Nobody received a PM or an order from myself, NJ or AA last night (well, 99% sure on NJ and AAs parts) or any night.
I did not say to anyone hey you need to target x with these players or anything. They only time I have come close to organising targets is the first night where I told everyone in no uncertain terms - I want to kill lurkers/people who don't post - I've already explained why we targeted ATPG over Ice and spaceman certainly fit the bill D1. I asked these people hey do you want to kill people, specifically lurkers. And they all said yes.
I did basically nothing last night in terms of organising except to organise one group of people who wanted to do a similar action. I didn't tell them you need to hit x target or whatever, I just said a,b,c,,d you guys all want to do something that I can see there is your group, as they were making seemingly no attempt to find a group.
There are no orders - we're not Kages captaincy, remember.
So did you not have Ironside killed or attempt to?
Vote : Montmorency
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Askthepizzaguy
10-02-2015, 18:35
I don't care about the French!
I only want gold!
I only want chaos and "fun"!
Insinuating I am not town is a personal insult to my character and I will not only rant and rave about the injustice of it all, but also put a bounty on your hard for it!
Everyone else is "boring" for not playing the exact same way as me and you should feel ashamed!
I'm not at all ashamed of the way I've played so far, so if you want to keep trying to make me feel that way, it's wasted effort.
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 18:43
[Is] there a WOG mechanic in this game?
There is, but I wouldn't bring it into effect this early.
I'm not at all ashamed of the way I've played so far, so if you want to keep trying to make me feel that way, it's wasted effort.
You're the one who's been criticizing anyone who doesn't want to play the same way as you as being anti-fun and boring. You even called Visor a buzzkill.
Montmorency
10-02-2015, 19:35
Good, so we're agreed that it's time to lynch Andres, right?
Vote: Andres
Good, so we're agreed that it's time to lynch Andres, right?
Vote: Andres
Why exactly are you so adamant about lynching Andres?
Montmorency
10-02-2015, 20:06
Proven nuisance.
Loudmouth lurker.
There's no reason for him to live any longer.
autolycus
10-02-2015, 20:32
So to summarize my understanding of the cases thus far: Xiahou was suspicious because of his gold amount, but those numbers are actually plausible.
Ituralde was suspicious because he got paid for a protection that didn't have the requisite people, but GH has clarified that that is very possible.
Montmorency voted Andres, and Andres OMGUSed.
I guess I'll vote:landlubber for now, for not remaining active after being a major lynch candidate.
landlubber
10-02-2015, 20:51
I'd add landlubber to that as well. He's been awfully quite after being the lynch runner-up.
Two reasons why I'm quiet:
First, this is the first time I've been able to reply since last night, what with sleeping and school and work and everything. I'm unavailable for a good portion of the weekday.
Second, I think the discussion today has been terribly, hopelessly meaningless. I don't have anything to contribute to the 199 vs. 200 argument. Seriously, I can't think of a more baffling argument. I'm bored of the squabbling already. Sorry bout it.
To be honest, I'd be fine with lynching any of the distractors. Yes, that includes Visor, but he's lower on my list than others. I'm not liking vote:Csargo's play at all.
landlubber
10-02-2015, 21:50
Distracting.
So Ilt and Ichigo look a bit better.
But it means protection groups are where the French will like to hide since unless the target is attacked they can't be caught out.
The question in my mind is, were the french aware of that before the rest of us?
Vote : Montmorency
You won't catch me defending Monty.... but I'd like to know your reasoning.
Also...
unvote: Visorslash
unvote: mutiny
I don't think that Visor is scum.... just unhelpful.
There is, but I wouldn't bring it into effect this early.Right. My point was that if Ice continues to be inactive, WOG will remove the need to lynch him. If he instead, becomes active, we can examine his frenchiness at that time. Lynching him now seems a wasted opportunity. :shrug:
Distracting.
Convenient reappearance.
GeneralHankerchief
10-02-2015, 22:41
As the voting continues, weather conditions get progressively worse throughout the day.
Batten down the hatches!!!
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
seireikhaan
10-02-2015, 23:22
Batten down the hatches!!!
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
Hey Bsmith, you've been pretty quiet today. Got any opinions to share with the class?
No. Not really. A lot of noise so far today. Little meat to react to. I dont really have a case on anyone. Nothing worth making a big deal over anyway. My guess is that the threats are occupied doing night actions with groups or fake claiming protections and stealing.
All the hullabaloo about Xiahou's gold overshadowed the (imo) more important part of the case against him: he stole from someone who was immediately killed n1 (unverifiable and easily falsified) and didn't send any orders n2 ("I forgot to send orders" is the oldest cover-up in the book). I think he's a Frenchie who's been looking for recruits the past two nights.
seireikhaan
10-03-2015, 00:24
All the hullabaloo about Xiahou's gold overshadowed the (imo) more important part of the case against him: he stole from someone who was immediately killed n1 (unverifiable and easily falsified) and didn't send any orders n2 ("I forgot to send orders" is the oldest cover-up in the book). I think he's a Frenchie who's been looking for recruits the past two nights.
Why would a mafia admit to not sending in orders on a night where they got detained anyways? That's just silly. He could make up about whatever he wanted and it wouldn't matter.
landlubber
10-03-2015, 00:26
Convenient reappearance.
I'm not understanding what you're saying here.
As the voting continues, weather conditions get progressively worse throughout the day.
Water water everywhere and not a drop to drink.
vote: Golden1Knight
Minimal activity. "Safe" voting record.
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 00:42
Why would a mafia admit to not sending in orders on a night where they got detained anyways? That's just silly. He could make up about whatever he wanted and it wouldn't matter.
That's not true.
With most of the players accounted for in groups and whatnot, lying about group activities is extremely risky. The only alternatives are inaction or self-action, and either way they invite accusations of inventing weak alibis - note that this attitude can easily get you lynched in later days, even when you are actively participating in important work.
And of course, there's always panic and rust.
So Ilt and Ichigo look a bit better.
But it means protection groups are where the French will like to hide since unless the target is attacked they can't be caught out.
The question in my mind is, were the french aware of that before the rest of us?
Definitely. Makes me look at Flax and Auto a bit perhaps. Or maybe John.
It certainly makes all the outrage about vig groups even more absurd.
So did you not have Ironside killed or attempt to?
Before day ended - before I knew I was quartermaster - I suggested some targets to be vigged - mostly the same ones I had been trying to lynch in thread. The players who wanted to vig chose Ironside and then they said they wanted to kill. So I put them in a group to submit orders.
So no, I did not really have him killed. His death is on those that submitted the orders and chose the targets.
El Barto
10-03-2015, 01:15
Why is Ice still alive?
I be hearin' the spirits o' deaded people in the wind!
You have my word of honor as a Pirate that this be what lie in my cold, black heart. YARRR!!!
There be lies in yer cold, black heart? I likes you.
Would anyone who still actually wants to find the French and kill them before they kill us shoot me a PM? I'm getting really damn tired of this ridiculous nonsense.
Count me in, Cap'n!
Careful now cap'n, keep talking like that and I might start to like you.
'Tis bin known ta happen. Na' enough wenches aboard, if any, an' sensuous seamen onboard…
Vote : Montmorency
For the reformation! Vote: Montmorency.
Golden1Knight
10-03-2015, 01:16
I was robbed again. And no, I'm not french.
To be honest this is my first Mafia game and I'm still somewhat lost amidst so many events and posts, and right now I'm traveling, which reduces my activity. Anyway I'm enjoying the game, along with all this atmosphere of discussions and on-board tension... Very pirate indeed! And I must say that seeing my name being thrown as a candidate for lynching was at least surprising.
Just don't vote for me just because you didn't find some other target. Seriously.
El Barto
10-03-2015, 01:17
I does no' like this weather. Mayhaps we hae priests on board, throw 'em to the sharks we should!
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 01:22
So El Cid, does that mean you don't want to perform night-kills with me anymore?
El Barto
10-03-2015, 01:25
Well, yer name be French. An' our attack did no' exactly succeed, did it?
Noo, if'n when Curio votes differently, I changes me vote. Noo, why should we no' vote you, incidentally? I jist followed me brother in Dutchness, even if he be postin' fram cellphones, which be a bad sign, or would of be if phones in cells existed here in the 18th cent'ry.
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 01:30
An' our attack did no' exactly succeed, did it?
Actually, it did - 4 people showed up. Ironside just quit while he had a head.
Well, yer name be French.
Say no more.
Vote: Montmorency
As we say in French, L'etat c'est moi, which means "I love cheese".
Monty isn't a good vote IMO. He's stuck his neck out far more then I expect if he was french.
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 01:44
No more weak FOS at people under the radar so far. No more splitting hairs with Xiahou and Csargo.
There is only one person here and now who needs the grace of the lynch.
No more shilly-shallying.
Unvote; Vote: Andres
El Barto
10-03-2015, 01:48
Now ye be OMGUSIN'!
Now ye be OMGUSIN'!
Except he isn't because he's been trying to lynch Andres for quite some time.
What exactly is the case against Visor? I don't get it. Are people just mad that they've been targeted by failed vig attacks, and blame it on visor?
Yeah, I'm wondering too. I'm not seeing any case there.
I guess we have our answer why Xiahou didn't want to reveal his gold - because revealing he really had 199 gold after so vehemently defending against the preposterous claim he had 200 gold would look silly.
I still think the way he reacted to it was suspicious. It didn't feel like a genuine townish response to Visor being ONE gold off.
Huh?
Visor came out early against Kage, who was most likely innocent. And he was one of the few who voted to lynch Ironside- who we can be pretty confident was innocent. Then there's the small matter of him wrongly claiming I have 200 gold, which also implicates Double A by extension.
Neither of the first two things are at all scummy.
NotJimRV
10-03-2015, 01:59
he stole from someone who was immediately killed n1 (unverifiable and easily falsified) and didn't send any orders n2 ("I forgot to send orders" is the oldest cover-up in the book).
ya these kinds of actions have always screamed mafia to me in the past and this is a fairly frenchman-isque thing to do for me
i've only really skimmed past ~middle of the previous page because that just looks ugly to go through, so at least for now
vote: Xiahou
Sorry Xiahou, I'd forgotten I was still voting for you.
unvote, vote: abstain
I should hopefully be back sometime before the end of the day to make an actual vote.
NotJimRV
10-03-2015, 02:01
I still think the way he reacted to it was suspicious. It didn't feel like a genuine townish response to Visor being ONE gold off.
you'd think he'd go 'eh, whatever, what's the big deal' like much of the rest of (what i assume is largely if not entirely) town has...
The way he reacted felt really "caught".
I don't understand or like the Monty votes.
Well, at least I elicited a response from Golden1Knight. I can accept his explanation for now.
unvote: Golden1Knight
Actually, it did - 4 people showed up. Ironside just quit while he had a head.
Say no more.
Vote: Montmorency
As we say in French, L'etat c'est moi, which means "I love cheese".
For once, I agree. :yes:
vote: Montmorency
El Barto
10-03-2015, 02:55
Except he isn't because he's been trying to lynch Andres for quite some time.
Arrrr, ye an' yer details. *pulls cork out of bottle with teeth and takes a long swig, then throws not-quite-empty bottle backwards into the fire and goes on, ignoring the screams of random NPCs drenched in burning rum*
As we say in French, L'etat c'est moi, which means "I love cheese".
Actually, that means ‘the estate be mine’, i.e. that ye has property. In the mountain o' Morency, which be what yer name really means. Clearly, ye be pointin' at the mountain where yer treasure be stashed.
For once, I agree. :yes:
vote: Montmorency
Good. Scurvy-ridden votes be scurvy-ridden. unvote: Montmorency; vote: Xiahou
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 03:04
Actually, that means ‘the estate be mine’, i.e. that ye has property. In the mountain o' Morency, which be what yer name really means. Clearly, ye be pointin' at the mountain where yer treasure be stashed.
Well, yes: it's cheese.
El Barto
10-03-2015, 03:35
An' fer cheese I votes.
unvote: Xiahou, vote: Andres
Double A
10-03-2015, 03:48
Proven nuisance.
Loudmouth lurker.
There's no reason for him to live any longer.
Well there's the fact that he's town.
Well there's the fact that he's town.
How is it a fact?
Double A
10-03-2015, 03:51
I'm really not sure if this is points in his favor, but he told me and Kage on D1 that he really didn't care if we were town or French, he'd help us either way.
I'm really not sure if this is points in his favor, but he told me and Kage on D1 that he really didn't care if we were town or French, he'd help us either way.
He replied to you, but not to me :sad:
fair enough
spaceman98
10-03-2015, 04:04
Ok, I have a lot to sift through, and I have to say I'm rather confused.
I think enough has been said about the perils of rounding. Moral of the story: don't do it.
Xiahou if you got some of your gold from a will why didn't you say so immediately? The initial charge was that you had more gold than a townie reasonably could at this stage. Was that adressed and burried under all the spam? Or did you just ignore it?
Okay, so basically there's a lot more leeway in how I resolve orders if they're not seriously tested - i.e. the target isn't attacked.
Let's say you're Person A. You send in an order that says Persons A, B, and C protect Person X. If Person X isn't attacked that night, then you assume by all accounts that the protection would have been successful and you then take your gold and go on your merry way.
If your order is Persons A, B, and C protect X but Person C goes off and does something different, and X isn't attacked, same thing, because your protection was never "proven wrong", of sorts. The same thing if you send in the usual order and Person C goes off but Person D subs in for the protection.
However, if Person X *is* attacked, that's when things change. If your group isn't of minimum strength, or if you got the orders wrong (say, you never accounted for Person D stepping in to help protect in your PM), then the orders didn't match up and they would fail.
So in other words, people sending in protection orders will always blissfully assume that their orders turned out right and would have succeeded... unless their target is attacked. Then, we see just how well-coordinated they truly are.
Ok this explains how two groups of people could "include" Csargo, but clearly he couldn't be in two places at once. Csargo, care to elaborate?
Vote : Montmorency
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Also, why have all of us forgotten about Andres? Here he is, making unsubstantiated and unproductive votes, contributing nothing to the discussion, etc.
Why would a mafia admit to not sending in orders on a night where they got detained anyways? That's just silly. He could make up about whatever he wanted and it wouldn't matter.
Well we know that now, but a lot of people seemed to believe that things like protection are much more verifiable than they actually are so Xiahou could have assumed claiming inactivity was the safer option
Can we have a tally please? I'm totally lost. Keeping my vote on Xiahou becuase I don't like the Monty lynch and because several things about his behavior, especially him jumping haphazardly from vote to vote, strike me as suspicious
WTF is with El Barto (aka Tak) switching votes continuously?
Well there's the fact that he's town.
How is Andres in any way town?
I've already explained multiple times.
El Barto
10-03-2015, 04:17
WTF is with El Barto (aka Tak) switching votes continuously?
I be paid. Loyalty purchased belangs ta the highest bidder, savvy?
I've already explained multiple times.
Pretend that we be all illiterate men wha cannae read an' hae wee attenshun spans. Wha's the explanation?
I still think the way he reacted to it was suspicious. It didn't feel like a genuine townish response to Visor being ONE gold off.
I'm with you on this one, that was an extreme overreaction and I don't understand why townie Xiahou would get so worked up about that.
Vote: Xiahou
On another note, I can't believe how much time some of you people have to post here. Clearly, I should take up ATPG's offer and help kill Visor just to lower the number of posts per day to a level I can keep up with.
Xiahou if you got some of your gold from a will why didn't you say so immediately? The initial charge was that you had more gold than a townie reasonably could at this stage. Was that adressed and burried under all the spam? Or did you just ignore it?
Because I bloody well don't want to advertise how much gold I have! :wall:
Add to that, someone was publicly stating they knew exactly how much gold I had and the number they were stating was wrong! Was it close? It was very close- but still wrong. Yet he insisted repeatedly- publicly that I had the amount he said I had. I of course, knew it was incorrect and therefore worth getting to the bottom of. In the end, for reasons known only to him, he decided to spend 3 pages insisting it was one number before finally admitting that no, it was actually a different number and he just rounded. I'm still completely baffled and more than a little troubled by that. :yes:
As others have pointed out, it would be extremely odd behaviour for a frenchie... but it's extremely odd behaviour from any perspective honestly. So much time and effort down the rabbit hole and we've nothing to show for it. The end of D2 is looming ever closer and all we've had is one big distraction that sucked all the oxygen out of the debate. :no:
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 04:44
On another note, I can't believe how much time some of you people have to post here.
I had to moderate the Gameroom when Capo IV was running. Any level of activity is a vacation compared to that. :wall:
El Barto
10-03-2015, 04:55
On another note, I can't believe how much time some of you people have to post here. Clearly, I should take up ATPG's offer and help kill Visor just to lower the number of posts per day to a level I can keep up with.
Nah, we be supportin' our cobbers fer noo.
Because I bloody well don't want to advertise how much gold I have! :wall:
Add to that, someone was publicly stating they knew exactly how much gold I had and the number they were stating was wrong! Was it close? It was very close- but still wrong. Yet he insisted repeatedly- publicly that I had the amount he said I had. I of course, knew it was incorrect and therefore worth getting to the bottom of. In the end, for reasons known only to him, he decided to spend 3 pages insisting it was one number before finally admitting that no, it was actually a different number and he just rounded. I'm still completely baffled and more than a little troubled by that. :yes:
As others have pointed out, it would be extremely odd behaviour for a frenchie... but it's extremely odd behaviour from any perspective honestly. So much time and effort down the rabbit hole and we've nothing to show for it. The end of D2 is looming ever closer and all we've had is one big distraction that sucked all the oxygen out of the debate. :no:
Too much explanation… if there be'ent any gold fer meself in me vote I'd switch back at ye.
I had to moderate the Gameroom when Capo IV was running. Any level of activity is a vacation compared to that. :wall:
Capo be not all it be purported ta be.
I've played (and survived to the end!) of a 16k post game... that ran for a week.
Played quite a few of those.
12 hour days - but they're american timezones so I'm only there for the start and end.
I've played (and survived to the end!) of a 16k post game... that ran for a week.
Played quite a few of those.
12 hour days - but they're american timezones so I'm only there for the start and end.
And I'd prefer it if we tried not to emulate 2+2's insanely high posting style.
NotJimRV
10-03-2015, 08:28
2+2's insanely high posting style.
16623
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 10:37
I'm really not sure if this is points in his favor, but he told me and Kage on D1 that he really didn't care if we were town or French, he'd help us either way.
That's awesome. He and I had the same exact idea independently, and I've not even been in contact with him. Makes me feel happy I'm not just crazy and off on my own tangent.
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 10:39
Also, why have all of us forgotten about Andres? Here he is, making unsubstantiated and unproductive votes, contributing nothing to the discussion, etc.
*raises a cutlass to your throat*
What is your point, exactly?
I'd be a lot more worried about Andres if he pretended to give a crap about the French.
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 10:46
I'm opposed to lynches on Andres, Xiahou, and Montmorency.
Add Ituralde, Gaius Scribonius, Double A, and Visorslash (because what would be the point of a bounty, plus I'm okay with the position that he's not French)
Zack, well... I'm rubbing him the wrong way, and his reaction to it rubs me the wrong way, :rolleyes: but. I don't get the feeling he's French.
Let's see if I can add anyone else to my town pile.
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 11:22
So Ilt and Ichigo look a bit better.
Ichigo?
Unvote, vote: Sprig
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 11:24
I have to run to meet another one of Sooh's relatives.
This is where I was at, first I filled in the people I already had leans on, then I began ISO'ing the rest.
Got to Sprig and this is the first really odd thing I noticed. I did Sprig before I did Lissa because I kind of lynched Lissa right away in the previous game I played with her so I sorta hope she's not evil this time and thus have been looking for excuses not to suspect her. I know, my brain is weird.
Didn't get to Flax yet.
Andres - acting like a proper pirate (This can change, he's obvious recruitment material if the lynch doesn't fall on his head)
Askthepizzaguy - self
autolycus- Iso doesn't give much of an impression one way or the other, but it's Autolycus, this is always the case.
BSmith- 327 and 491, I'd like to know more about your thought process.
Choxorn- too passive, conciliatory. Vote goes where the wind blows.
Csargo- 47 posts? :shocked: Way more posts when under suspicion than I would expect from him in either alignment. He's not the type to react to suspicion at all, especially when guilty. That's interesting, I guess. Can't say what it means about his alignment but I wouldn't anticipate he's the Frenchman himself.
Double A - I trust in Double A, had real time private talks with him, seems fine.
El Barto - Acting like a proper pirate in private (the mass PM sold me)
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight- I want to know what this person is doing at night, if not protecting their gold obviously. Since they were stolen from twice.
Ice <---------------------------------Opposed to lynch, should self-resolve if he doesn't come back.
Ishmael <----- Definitely not the Frenchman himself, because he wanted to become First Mate, and that means he'd eventually be deposed or scanned. Very risky to try to become first mate right away. Curious about who the new captain would be, felt like a brain wave that isn't guilty. It's not a question a scumbag would be all that curious to know the answer to.
Ituralde- I know what he was doing last night and I doubt that a recruit would be doing it at that time. I would expect the Frenchman might do that though, so he's not 100 percent clean imo.
johnhughthom- He's acting like himself, which means you can't tell his alignment. May want to have it checked out. Seems fine to me but I can't see past his poker face. I wouldn't lynch here, though, gut feeling.
landlubber- Post 6 feels really odd. Also seems like a strong position to take if you're the Frenchman, so. 277 feels great, actually. Glad I ISO'ed him.
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV <--------------------No opinion but I'd give him more time to establish himself.
spaceman98
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Xiahou <------ Zack's point in 799 nonwithstanding. It's why he's not teal or blue.
Zack
Key- Gray means neutral, higher is townie, lower is odd or scummy.
Blue
Teal
Green
Gray
Yellow
Orange
Maroon
(Vote)
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2015, 11:29
I asked BSmith about the thing I found interesting. Need his answer before I lean him.
That is probably the most solving behavior you'll see from me for several game-days. This is in case I die tonight for making waves, wanted to demonstrate that yes, I like finding scum. Even if that's not my top priority this game by a long shot.
Ichigo is what Csargo used to call himself and may still be doing so in a quicktopic. If Sprig is guilty, Csargo may be.
I'd look there.
Sprig played here years ago too ATPG but I agree its worth looking at. He's always been named Csargo to me but I know he was Ichigo at one point.
And thanks for doing that - I've been meaning too for a while but I can't summon the enthusiasm for it.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-03-2015, 15:54
Still not really all that sure about my direction at the moment.
Vote: TheFlax
As I said, I'd like to hear more...
I asked BSmith about the thing I found interesting. Need his answer before I lean him.
That is probably the most solving behavior you'll see from me for several game-days. This is in case I die tonight for making waves, wanted to demonstrate that yes, I like finding scum. Even if that's not my top priority this game by a long shot.
Ichigo is what Csargo used to call himself and may still be doing so in a quicktopic. If Sprig is guilty, Csargo may be.
I'd look there.
There's a few people who still refer to me as Ichigo. khaan calls me strawberry as well sometimes. I can't really defend myself from your speculation though.
I'm with you on this one, that was an extreme overreaction and I don't understand why townie Xiahou would get so worked up about that.
Vote: Xiahou
On another note, I can't believe how much time some of you people have to post here. Clearly, I should take up ATPG's offer and help kill Visor just to lower the number of posts per day to a level I can keep up with.
Unvote:, Vote:Choxorn
Tally(Could be off):
5 Xiahou = (Choxorn, Double A(Doesn't count), Lissa, NotJimRV, spaceman98, Zack)
2 Montmorency = (Andres, Xiahou)
2 Andres = (El Barto, Montmorency)
1 Sprig = (ATPG)
1 Csargo = (landlubber)
1 Landlubber = (autolycus)
1 Choxorn = (Csargo)
1 TheFlax = (Gaius S. Curio)
1 Lissa = (Ituralde) Not sure if this counts, since not proper format (@GeneralHankerchief ? confirm/deny)
6 Abstain = [Ishmael, Visorslash(?), Bsmith(?), Golden1Knight(?), johnhughthom(?), Sprig(?)]
2 No Show = (Ice, TheFlax)
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 17:07
^Confirmed.
Outside of Zack, spaceman98, and Double A FoS:those 3 others
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 17:14
What is ISO?
What is ISO?
Look at all of that player's posts in the thread.
landlubber
10-03-2015, 17:42
Huh, I thought I had a vote on Csargo.
Anyway, since I guess I don't, vote:sprig. The Ichigo thing sounds like a major Freudian slip.
Huh, I thought I had a vote on Csargo.
Anyway, since I guess I don't, vote:sprig. The Ichigo thing sounds like a major Freudian slip.
You do, I missed that. Mistakes were made.
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 17:52
PSA: Don't forget to Unvote before you make a new vote.
Protip: Always Unvote when it's not your first vote, just in case.
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 17:55
And of course:
Vote: Andres
Don't think I missed that. :wheresthefingerwagsmiley:
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 17:56
You do, I missed that. Mistakes were made.
I actually missed it too. Sneaky sneaky. :sweatdrop:
I actually missed it too. Sneaky sneaky. :sweatdrop:
Are you counting Ituralde's vote? Considering it's not the proper format?
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 18:28
I have it counting, format is close enough. I just want more than a bolded name.
Unvote:, Vote:Choxorn
???
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 19:00
Voting closed.
???
I dislike his reasoning. We seem to disagree on what a genuine townie response is. I'd say Xiahou reacted appropriately to Visor, but that's just my opinion on townie behavior in that situation. What would you have done in the same situation?
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 19:17
It wasn't appropriate, but I guess Xiahou's just stubborn like that.
Stubborn like a Belorussian partisan under SS interrogation.
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 19:28
Day 3
Captain Double A had spent most of the day in his cabin, going over figures and trying to get some work done. Very early on, though, he realized that he wasn't going to get much done as there was an almost rhythmic sound coming from the main deck of the Presence. He tried to ignore it as much as possible, but it just wasn't going to work - that sound only varied in volume, and even then it never got softer, only louder.
After some time of this (conveniently right around sunset), Double A finally had enough, emerging from his quarters to figure out what on earth this rhythmic racket could be.
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"I absolutely do not have 200 gold!" Xiahou shouted. "If this be the figure you're staking yer life and honor on then we have our Frenchie right here, boys! I'm telling you all now that if 200 is the figure you stick by then it's incorrect and we need to throw him off this boat!"
"Why are you being so obstinate about this?!" Visorslash, the Quartermaster, shouted back. "I threw you in the brig last night! I got an accurate count of yer loot! This be what I *do* as Quartermaster! When Captain Double A was Quartermaster and he threw *me* in the brig the other night, *he* got an accurate count of my loot! Why wouldn't I be as correct? What could ye possibly be hiding? Why on earth are ye lying? I know for a fact that you have 200 gold!!!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"No I don't!"
"Yes you do!"
"ENOUGH!!!" Double A finally roared, everyone on the Presence finally quieting down. "Blasted ovens o' Hell this be annoying! Is this the only line o' conversation that's happened all day?" Everyone looked around uneasily, then at the ground. Yes, pretty much, was the consensus. "Well, I'm glad we all felt nice and productive then. Now, Visor, you accuse Xiahou of lying about his gold total, correct?"
"Aye."
"Let me just first sort this out from your side. What is the exact amount of gold you attribute to Xiahou's name?"
"199," the Quartermaster replied. "I rounded up."
"Right," Double A said, moving onto Xiahou. "Now, Xiahou, do ye confirm or deny the fact that you have 199 gold to your name?"
"I said that Visorslash was wrong when he accused me of having 200 gold. This time, however, his count be accurate."
Double A couldn't believe what he was hearing. "Wait, so, all this because you idiots were one gold off?"
"Yup!"
A loud groan emitted from pretty much everyone on board. This couldn't be happening. "You have got to be kidding me," Double A muttered. "Right, I guess that's cleared up then. Resume voting, lads." They did, but nobody's heart seemed to be in it. It appeared that the wind was taken out of everyone's sails from the previous argument, and at the end of the day, Xiahou still had the most votes.
"Right then, let's get this over with," Double A said. "Xiahou, ye be found guilty of either being the Frenchman tryin' to take control of our good ship Presence, or aidin' and abettin' his efforts. Any last words?"
"Visor was still technically wrooooooooooonnnng" - *splash*
That was the end of that. Double A was about to say some final words, but was interrupted by a loud peal of thunder emitting from overhead. Tonight was going to be ominous indeed.
Day 3 tally:
Xiahou: 5 (spaceman98, Zack, Lissa, Choxorn, NotJimRV) :skull:
Andres: 2 (Montmorency, El Barto)
Montmorency: 2 (Andres, Xiahou)
Sprig: 2 (Askthepizzaguy, landlubber*)
TheFlax: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Lissa: 1 (Ituralde)
landlubber: 1 (autolycus)
Choxorn: 1 (Csargo)
Abstained: 2 (Double A, Ishmael)
Posted but didn't vote: 5 (Visorslash, BSmith, Golden1Knight, johnhughthom, Sprig)**
Didn't vote: 2 (TheFlax, Ice)
* landlubber's original vote was on Csargo but forgot to unvote, but due to a tally error he was under the assumption that he didn't vote at all. Seeing as this didn't affect the lynch I allowed it.
** In the future you must actually have your vote on a target (even Abstain) to get gold. I will allow it this time but not anymore.
OOC:
Event 1: The Hurricane
The Presence is set to sail through the heart of a very nasty storm this night phase. All groups of minimum size (including mafia kill groups) have a 25% chance of failure. All groups of a size greater than minimum have a 1/6 chance of failure. Individual actions are not affected.
It is now Night 3. Please send in your orders. Night 3 will conclude on Sunday, October 4th, at 20:00 US Eastern Time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1), Csargo (n2)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3)
Souls aboard: (23)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ice
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
spaceman98
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack
GeneralHankerchief
10-03-2015, 19:30
Today's lynch brought to you by Python Productions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc
Montmorency
10-03-2015, 19:53
SS: What do you have to say for yourself.
Xiahou: No.
SS: *slap* You were the one who attacked the convoy near Vitebsk last week.
Xiahou: No.
SS: *slap* We know who you are, NKVD, here to stir up partisans against the Reich in Volynia.
Xiahou: No.
SS: *boot to the gut* Swine, we captured the rest of your platoon, all 29 of them. They will all die. Now tell us the location of the regional HQ, and perhaps you will be pardoned for your crimes.
Xiahou: *spits* The SS has no mercy for NKVD.
SS: So you admit that you are NKVD?
Xiahou: No. I am stating a fact.
SS: *slap* Give us the location before we lose our patience.
Xiahou: I do not know of any headquarters.
SS: Liar! You are a lieutenant of the NKVD operating with the partisans. Your man Pavil admitted as much.
Xiahou: Even assuming I am platoon commander, I do not believe you captured any platoon of mine.
SS: *smack* Fool, you were there when our men rounded you all up! There is no use denying it.
Xiahou: I think you are bluffing. You have nothing.
SS: You degenerate scum, talk now or you will live to regret much.
Xiahou: No.
SS: *punch*
Xiahou: No.
SS: *kick*
Xiahou: No.
SS: *knock chair over* We will bring in your men. Every time you fail to answer, we will shoot one of them before your eyes.
Xiahou: Soviet men are brave. They know their duty, But I do not believe you have any men of mine.
SS: Are you trying to baffle us with your denial? It is futile; we have all the evidence.
Xiahou: You know nothing.
SS: *slap* What meaningless drivel. How childish you Slavs are.
Xiahou: But it is the German who cannot count.
SS: And how is that?
Xiahou: You do not even know how many men are in my platoon.
SS: Ah, now we are getting somewhere. No, we do not know how many we have killed - surely many. But we know exactly how many you had when you surrendered. We have you, and all 29 of them.
Xiahou: You lie.
SS: *slap* Do not waste our time.
Xiahou: No.
SS: *rifle butt to chin*
Xiahou: *grimaces* I had only 28 men.
SS: How is that? No one escaped the net. They are all in this building now.
Xiahou: Pavil is no man. To hell with all of you.
SS: 0_0 ... *click*
Xiahou: Hitler kaputt!
So I was lynched because someone else wasn't telling the truth about me? Niiiice. :rolleyes:
Anyhow, I'm dead. I'm still highly suspicious of Choxorn and Montmorency- but it's no longer my concern. I leave you to your fates. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2015, 02:02
There's a few people who still refer to me as Ichigo. khaan calls me strawberry as well sometimes. I can't really defend myself from your speculation though.
If he's innocent it's practically meaningless, and plus I like the talkative Csargo, so don't expect a vote in your direction anytime soon.
Askthepizzaguy
10-04-2015, 02:05
So I was lynched because someone else wasn't telling the truth about me? Niiiice. :rolleyes:
Anyhow, I'm dead. I'm still highly suspicious of Choxorn and Montmorency- but it's no longer my concern. I leave you to your fates. :bow:
I like the choxorn suspicions and I thought you were townie enough to follow up on them now that you're dead.
Monty? A recruit maybe, I dunno about more.
If he's innocent it's practically meaningless, and plus I like the talkative Csargo, so don't expect a vote in your direction anytime soon.
:smitten:
I like the choxorn suspicions and I thought you were townie enough to follow up on them now that you're dead.
Monty? A recruit maybe, I dunno about more.
Besides Red Dwarf, choxorn hasn't been extremely active as town lately - the 'disinterest' (not the correct word but I am sure you get what I mean) is more likely to come from town with a simple role rather than something nefarious.
I dislike his reasoning. We seem to disagree on what a genuine townie response is. I'd say Xiahou reacted appropriately to Visor, but that's just my opinion on townie behavior in that situation. What would you have done in the same situation?
I'm not entirely sure what I would say there as town but I thought the way he reacted felt very "caught scum". He felt cagey and a little panicked.
I think I would have been more open about what gold I actually had, for one.
I'm not entirely sure what I would say there as town but I thought the way he reacted felt very "caught scum". He felt cagey and a little panicked.
I think I would have been more open about what gold I actually had, for one.
I didn't sense anything like that from his post's. We just seem to have completely opposite perceptions of the situation. I went back and looked over the whole exchange again just to be sure about it. Frustration and annoyance was there imo, from both parties, but nothing more. No point in arguing over it now though.
I'd be hesitant considering gold seems to be somewhat important in this game.
spaceman98
10-04-2015, 20:03
We'll know for sure when the reveal comes around (three days from now?)
Is the first set of reveals tomorrow?
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2015, 20:13
After Night 4, not this one.
We'll know for sure when the reveal comes around (three days from now?)
Is the first set of reveals tomorrow?
Never-mind GH clarified.
El Barto
10-04-2015, 20:22
Besides Red Dwarf, choxorn hasn't been extremely active as town lately - the 'disinterest' (not the correct word but I am sure you get what I mean) is more likely to come from town with a simple role rather than something nefarious.
Mayhaps it be havin' somethin' ta do wiv the start o' collegiate terms o' study.
Mayhaps it be havin' somethin' ta do wiv the start o' collegiate terms o' study.
Yar, that be correct, these collegiate terms be leaving me with little time for piracy and also takes far too much o' me booty.
El Barto
10-04-2015, 22:19
I likes yer booty, Choxorn.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2015, 01:00
Night 3 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2015, 02:16
Night 3
Nobody was going to get any sleep that night. The Presence was continuing north... theoretically, anyway... but in reality it would be tossed around like a ragdoll for the entire night as it sailed directly into the teeth of a major storm system. It would take all of the crew's might, skill, guile, and effort to get them through the night alive - and that was before you accounted for the foul play that continued to work aboard.
"Ack!" Ice got sprayed with a big wave for what seemed like the millionth time in five minutes. By this point in the storm his clothes were well on their way to chemically fusing with his skin, but that didn't stop him. His job was to help keep the Presence upright, and by god, he would see it done. As the ship scaled over another massive wave, Ice braced for impact. It came... but not from the direction in which he was anticipating. He took a huge splash of water directly in the back.
Turning around, looking wildly, Ice tried to find the source of this new blast of water. The rain was coming in sideways from all directions, but it wasn't nearly enough in one direction to account for that. Finally, Ice found the source: a number of sailors, one of them with a recently-emptied but now rapidly filling bucket.
"What-" *CLANG* The one holding the bucket whacked it over Ice's head, sending him sprawling to the floor. He scrambled, trying to get up, but the deck was so wet that it took him three tries to do so. When he finally did, he took his cutlass out and charged at the only person he could see, but got about a half a step before he slipped and fell right back down.
Ice could now hear laughter over the near-constant thunder of the storm. If these were to be his final moments, they certainly weren't turning out well. He had imagined a glorious death in battle in a boarding action of the Spanish Treasure Fleet... or maybe his heart finally giving out after a marathon session of rum and whores back in Nassau... or, more likely, a long rope and a short drop at the gallows of a more respectable port... but not this. Not while getting humiliated by people on the very same ship as him.
Using his cutlass for balance he tried to get up once again but had it kicked out from under him, sending him back to the deck for a third time. This time, he would stay down, as he started to get slashed repeatedly. The slippery deck combined with his rapidly-failing energy from the wounds ensured that this was to be Ice's final resting place. As the rain quickly washed away his blood, Ice's final thought was that he had no idea who killed him, or how many people were in on the act.
Back below decks, Andres was lovingly cradling his sack of treasure. Sure, he along with everyone else had been assigned a duty on the ship that night, but there was no sense in actually completing it. Not in this nightmare of a storm, not with all discipline breaking down on the Presence anyway. No, Andres would instead be spending his evening dry(-ish), cradling his truest of all loves: gold.
This relatively quiet part of the cabin, combined with the fact that Andres wasn't making much noise (aside from occasionally softly cooing to his bag), meant that he was easily able to hear the footsteps advancing in his direction. Without even hesitating, Andres picked his bag up, swinging it in the direction of his attackers. The "ow!" sound plus the satisfying feeling of the bag hitting weight made Andres knew he connected, and he took the time to sprint above decks, into the storm, in an attempt to lose his attackers.
As soon as he emerged, he slipped, much like Ice did earlier in the night. Panicking, Andres's first instinct was to grab his bag, and in an attempt to use it to right himself he inadvertently swung it and made another hit with somebody coming up from below decks. "Ow! Dammit! Stop hitting me with that!"
"You be tryin' to kill me!" Andres shouted in reply. "Sorry if me manners ain't exactly upper crust British Navy in this situation!" Over the sound of the thunder Andres could hear cutlasses being drawn, but he wasn't precisely sure of how many. Thinking fast, Andres scrambled to his feet and, seeing how his attackers were still coming up from below decks, made sure he had solid footing and pushed the lead pursuer back down with all his might. An extremely loud series of crashes and curses told him that he had bought himself even more time.
It was time to ensure his safety once and for all. Andres next made his way to the anchor, cutting the rope with his own cutlass, and dragging it back to the stairs. Without waiting to see what the situation was, he heaved it down, where the crashing and cursing became even louder. Surely they wouldn't try to come up *again*, not after that.
Andres sat and continued to cradle his bag of treasure, albeit this time in the storm. He was not disturbed for the rest of the night.
"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Askthepizzaguy was startled as he heard the whooshing sound of swinging from a rope, directly in his direction. On instinct, he ducked just in time, as the man on the rope swung his cutlass in the exact spot where ATPG's next used to be an instant before. Unperturbed, the attacker somehow smoothly dismounted and turned to face ATPG. A duel in the rain was on.
The two men's cutlasses out, they didn't factor in the additional hazards posed by the hurricane at all when fighting. This was for survival - everything was already at stake. Ignoring the slippery deck, and slashing rain, and gale-force wind, and unstable waves, and lightning forking all around them, each man went for the killing blow. It was a duel in silence, for while there were the usual grunting noises and sounds of metal clashing against metal, all of it was swallowed up in the storm. Nobody else on the Presence was around: It was just the two of them fighting for their lives, with only a very angry Mother Nature as witness.
After a while, ATPG realized that the fight wasn't going well. The swordsman he was facing wasn't particularly skilled, but ATPG had expended too much early on trying to get a quick victory, whereas his attacker had conserved more of his strength. The result was now a rapidly-winding ATPG forced on the defensive, his margin for error growing thinner and thinner. He couldn't see much of his attacker beyond the outline, so he had no idea how he was reacting to this, but ATPG was certain the man was almost smiling at the thought of being near completion of his task.
Then, however, the ship crested a massive swell. Both men paused for balance, but ATPG was able to recover a little quicker and used the time to seize a rope. He started climbing, and his attacker followed. The two of them barely had any sort of grip on the wet, slippery, ropes but both men knew their business and continued to climb the rigging, occasionally pausing to slash at each other, unsuccessfully.
Finally, ATPG saw his destination in sight: The Crow's Nest. Making a leap of faith, he was barely able to make it and hauled himself in. Once again, however, his attacker was right behind, and the two of them were again dueling on even footing, but this time in a far more confined space. At the very top of the Presence, very almost no room to maneuver whatsoever, in the heart of a hurricane, Askthepizzaguy was fighting for his life - and he was losing.
He figured he had minutes - if not seconds - left before his attacker finally landed a killing blow. So ATPG decided to strike out blindly, leaving himself completely exposed if his attack didn't connect. Luckily for him, it did, striking the attacker's arm. Crying out in pain, the attacker dropped his cutlass over the edge. There would be no retrieving it now.
An immense blast of lightning finally illuminated the attacker's face for ATPG to see before the attacker dove out of sight for the rigging to get back down. It was black out again just as quickly as it had been light, but there was no mistaking the man's face. Sprig had just tried to murder Askthepizzaguy.
The night went on, the Presence continued its journey, and there were no other public incidents to speak of. After what had been the longest 10 hours in everyone's life, the clouds broke enough for them to see the sunrise. They were out of the storm.
"Of course," said Captain Double A, "Our newest storm be what will happen to us all if we don't find and kill that thrice-cursed Frenchman! Get voting ye scurvy bunch o' barnacles!!!"
OOC: It is now Day 4. Voting will last until Tuesday, October 6th, at 10:00 US Eastern Time.
I'm going to start sending out feedback PMs in about 10 minutes - thank you for your patience.
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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3), Askthepizzaguy (n3)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3)
Souls aboard: (22)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
landlubber
Lissa
Montmorency
NotJimRV
spaceman98
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack
Interesting Sprig. You got a lot further than most would in killing someone solely by yourself... perhaps you were working with a French partner?
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2015, 02:43
All feedback PMs are out. Please let me know if there are any issues.
El Barto
10-05-2015, 03:29
vote: Sprig, explain yerself. Even if yer countrymen trounced the Englih yesterday, this be nae excuse for your attemptin to get rid o' pizza, possibly the best victuals in the world!
Eh, I had no intention not can I kill by myself. I simply have had no time and attempting to kill is the easiest way to show that I'm not doing anything nefarious.
Nothing against atpg or anything.
Interesting Sprig. You got a lot further than most would in killing someone solely by yourself... perhaps you were working with a French partner?
I already reclaimed. But I suspect it is artistic licence by the GM
El Barto
10-05-2015, 03:40
Arrr, ye better come up wiv the real story right quick, afore the sharks ve eatin' ye!
I expand one I have some free time but the correct avenue of enquiry is: was anyone alleging to protect atpg last night, if so, guess they were lying.
I see nobody decided to vig me. :laugh4:
El Barto
10-05-2015, 03:58
Well, ye cannot hae everythin', wee Visorslashie.
Eh, I had no intention not can I kill by myself. I simply have had no time and attempting to kill is the easiest way to show that I'm not doing anything nefarious.
Nothing against atpg or anything.
My inclination is to not buy this.
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 04:54
Gaius, what is your report?
Golden, what's going on?
Andres attack was a matter of numbers, a secondary target based on whoever was available to do it. Somehow, organization was very difficult last night. BTW, thanks for not stealing from me, Andres.
Visor, cut that out.
This is a difficult day: no reveals just yet, but no easy bets either. May merit an extension (though if everyone takes it easy then it just wastes time...).
El Barto
10-05-2015, 05:01
Again as yesterday, highest bidder gets me vote. Yarr!
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 05:13
Become my permanent understudy.
Though you lose your soul, you win the world.
I don't think sending in a kill order alone as a townie makes sense as something that he would have done.
Like, it seems like an odd thing to think of doing.
Sprig's unlikely anything other than townie considering the factors. Seems suicidal attacking someone like that on a night that had what? A 25% chance of failure for actions? I'm inclined to believe him. It's also the first solo attack on someone. All the others have appeared to be vigilante hits imo, considering the number of attackers and low mortality rate. I highly doubt the French would have chosen last night to take a shot at someone.
After looking over the night after Kage's election as captain and the next day when the mutiny occurred, I'd implore you all to go back and look over Visor/Zack's posts during that time period and comment on what you think. My opinion would be, considering everything that I'm aware of, they're contradictory and scummy. Starts around post #111 and goes until Double A's election. Just to see whether or not I'm being overly paranoid of the two. My first instinct is to vote mutiny and Visor, but I may just be salty about the American football game from tonight. :no:
I guess I could be missing something mechanical about it.
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 05:25
I've done it before as town.
Sometimes I've even offered the host my own writeups of the event. :laugh4:
I mean it makes zero sense if he's not town
I feel only a townie would be okay wasting their time like that
I don't understand why his name was outed.
The attempting people have never been outed before. Would he have known that'd happen if he tried to kill alone?
I might just be completely derping about mechanics but I don't get why it would certainly be from town.
If he was french he wouldn't know it'd fail?
If he was french he wouldn't know it'd fail?
french have to kill with a buddy, and it would seem ridiculous for them to get publicly revealed for a failed attack
I don't know if pirate ship games have specifically had this mechanic, but I know capo-like games have had a chance of attackers' names being revealed in a failed attack.
french have to kill with a buddy, and it would seem ridiculous for them to get publicly revealed for a failed attack
I don't know if pirate ship games have specifically had this mechanic, but I know capo-like games have had a chance of attackers' names being revealed in a failed attack.
ok, yeah, I'm derping about mechanics then
unvote
I wasn't thinking about the french having to kill with a buddy, whoops
I think that does make him town then
french have to kill with a buddy, and it would seem ridiculous for them to get publicly revealed for a failed attack
I don't know if pirate ship games have specifically had this mechanic, but I know capo-like games have had a chance of attackers' names being revealed in a failed attack.
???? I don't see that anywhere in the description of their roles. It's not specific about that particular point.
???? I don't see that anywhere in the description of their roles. It's not specific about that particular point.
That's how it worked in pirate ship 2, I assume it's the same here, though I guess it isn't necessarily the case (I'd think it is however - the frenchman being super powerful makes me think it's unlikely that his subordinates would also be more powerful than their spanish counterparts in the last game).
If the french are capable of solo kills, don't know why such a kill would fail in this instance, or why it would reveal the name of the attacker, the latter part especially would seem broken.
spaceman98
10-05-2015, 06:02
Whatever happened with the Sprig kill, it is NOT normal as Sprig claims.
1: Sprig was revealed. No one's name was revealed in the writeup like that before. Of course, that could be Sprig-related, or Pizza-related.
2: Is Sprig really the first person to send an order to vig someone and have no-one work with them? If you have had this experience before, now would be a good time to step forward. In any case, this is the first "lone assailent" writeup.
3: Visor, who did you block tonight? Assuming Zack is correct, it is possible that Sprig was planning to attack with a buddy, and aforementioned buddy was your block target. Certainly if one of them turns up scum, then its an angle worth investigating.
4: I checked in the writeup and I couldn't find any references to the buddy-killing thing. Ordinarily, I would agree with CSargo and see that as PIS. Since I wasn't in the last two games though, is it standard practice that mafia kill in pairs? If so, then why haven't we seen ANY mafia kills over the first few nights, until the Sprig wierdness tonight.
For that matter, where are the promised third parties?
4: I checked in the writeup and I couldn't find any references to the buddy-killing thing. Ordinarily, I would agree with CSargo and see that as PIS. Since I wasn't in the last two games though, is it standard practice that mafia kill in pairs? If so, then why haven't we seen ANY mafia kills over the first few nights, until the Sprig wierdness tonight.
It's in the rules for Pirate Ship Mafia 2, which I played in, it's not PIS lol. I don't think there were any mafia kills in that game either. I assume the mafia are focused on infiltrating townie groups and gathering recruits, there's no real need to use the mafia kill.
Interesting Sprig. You got a lot further than most would in killing someone solely by yourself... perhaps you were working with a French partner?
Odd reasoning for yer vote.
Vote : Visorslash
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Montmorency
10-05-2015, 06:26
Odder reasoning for your vote.
Vote: Andres
Spaceman, your first statement is false.
It was with in Normal game mechanics.
Nothing to do with me or pizza.
It wasn't really a solo kill attempts since that Is not possible, simple the other three people on my order had no idea what I did. In hindsight I should have cc'd but I'm on mobile and it would confuse things anyway.
Buddy thing? What's your point?
Ituralde
10-05-2015, 07:58
Arr, this has been one hell of a weekend. I'm still alive, we sailed through a storm, private duels in the Crow's Nest. This be feeling like a real pirate ship to me!
It may be missed because of all the counting during the last day, but who did our First Mate investigate? Last night and the night before?
Public Duels when only one person attempt to murder, sound like a thing I should try to do tonight!
el barto what did you do night 2?
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2015, 10:33
To the fresher-faced folk on this fine vessel-
I heard a tale once set oh a couple hundred years from now, about a man called the "Neutral Avenger". He'd claim he wasn't working for anyone, naught but for himself, and be getting revenge against all the penny-pinching ungenerous folk who be disrespectful to the folk workin' fer em.
He'd deliberately not be trying to kill anyone, but make his presence known. In plain terms, he be doin' it just to give himself a plausible alibi for the evenin'.
Later, when others grew bored with his story, they'd focus elsewhere. And then, he'd strike.
But what I'm gettin' at with me ramblin' is that Sprig could have just been tryin' to attack me solo for the explicit purpose of failure. I imagine you still get some gold for the failed action. (2 gold)
That said, he's not clear. Just not recruitin' or whatnot last night.
Oh, NotJim, I have 6 of yer gold pieces. Just sayin' lad. No one had the balls to steal from me last night either, so once again, my predictions came true.
This ship be full of men who ain't got the jimmies required to be pirates. Next time it won't be a paltry 6 gold either, yarr.
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2015, 10:34
A friendly suggestion: Maybe you fine folk should hire Andres to guard yer gold. If you don't, I just might. That way I can steal from you every single night and brag about it every single morning.
How's that? :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2015, 11:00
Vote: Spaceman Spiff
But I could also vote for TheFlax. He seems like another tasty option at this point.
To the fresher-faced folk on this fine vessel-
I heard a tale once set oh a couple hundred years from now, about a man called the "Neutral Avenger". He'd claim he wasn't working for anyone, naught but for himself, and be getting revenge against all the penny-pinching ungenerous folk who be disrespectful to the folk workin' fer em.
He'd deliberately not be trying to kill anyone, but make his presence known. In plain terms, he be doin' it just to give himself a plausible alibi for the evenin'.
Yup I would have claimed it was me regardless of reveal. In this particular case, the group I have performed actions with previously hadn't organised anything in my absence. Could have stolen something, done protection for the 10 gold or protected my gold. I just decided to do the only thing that is visible. I mean, why change what I have been doing?
Anyways i dislike the venomous swift judgement of Vote: El Barto, he caught my attention previously and done so again. Feels like the overreaction that scum do when there a whiff of a mislynch in the air.
NotJimRV
10-05-2015, 11:48
Hmph. Got me eye right on you, ATPG. Don't you forget!
It may be missed because of all the counting during the last day, but who did our First Mate investigate? Last night and the night before
Night before bsmith was killin', khaan be stealin'.
Last night bsmith scanned as innocent and unsuspectible to conversion. Who knows what kind of godfather-y roles there are out there though.
Why in the blue heck did you say he was unsuscpetible!
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 12:00
After all the noise, it feels like most of the players are going to ground.
Unvote: Andres; Vote: TheFlax
Sprig's action last night seems much more town than scum to my mind. It doesn't technically rule him out as French, but it seems like it would be a very brave move to make as scum (or a very foolish move; take your pick). Being in the same group, I can also confirm that his comments about N3 being the first night without a kill organised check out.
vote: TheFlax
Seems to very much be flying under the radar. If nothing else, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Why in the blue heck did you say he was unsuscpetible!
Perhaps it's an elaborate double bluff? Let's assume that.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, did anybody other than those that responded publicly get back to you when you asked for people who had been roleblocked to contact you?
Literally nobody else has said anything about a roleblock which leads me to believe either spaceman or lissa or both are scum.
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 12:20
Lissa claimed to have been blocked N1, but what does Spaceman have to do with it?
Ituralde
10-05-2015, 12:21
What be leading from the missing roleblocks to Lissa and spaceman98 as scum? They both be coming up as suspects more and more often, me thinks.
Lissa claimed to have been blocked N1, but what does Spaceman have to do with it?
Because she targeted spaceman. It would be convenient if they were both French for her to not perform the attack.
Fact is: Either she was roleblocked by the French, or she wasn't roleblocked at all.
Both should die in either case.
Neither spaceman nor lissa played in the other iterations if memory serves - so if they are French we are probably dealing with a team that has no played a PS mafia.
I don't recall another roleblock role besides the quartermaster, and I doubt there is another.
There was also no flavour to her block - at least when I asked. When the QM blocks a player - they get thrown in the brig, surely if someone else was roleblocked they'd have a different flavour - someone offered them a drink and they passed out or something.
So I doubt the story to be honest. And it feels like she is just jumping on any easy mislynch with Xiahou and now Sprig.
Ituralde
10-05-2015, 12:31
But then she not be knowing how many Frenchies it takes to kill. Maybe a good liar?
Ituralde
10-05-2015, 12:33
Well, third time be the charm, vote: Lissa.
But then she not be knowing how many Frenchies it takes to kill. Maybe a good liar?
She is. :laugh4:
Like I said - it implicates spaceman much more then it does Lissa but they're both implicated and its ages till the alignment reveal so kill em both and let god sort it out.
Now, this is tincows frenchman role from the first game.
Your role is:
The Frenchman
The best thing I know between France and England is the sea.
~ Douglas William Jerrold
Back home, you lived the high life. You were educated in the finest schools and knew nothing but the best of everything. Visits to the great new palace of Versailles were not uncommon. You were the epitome of the flourishing high culture under the reign of Louis XIV. But then the Sun King died, two years ago, and frankly, life under his great-grandson (plus his regent) just hasn’t been the same. Still craving adventure, you acquired yourself a nice ship, the Presence, and set off to the New World. There was just one problem: In a bout of trickery, you lost your ship to an enterprising pirate captain. Stranded, but still with a considerable amount of resources, you have been working to get it back ever since.
Right around the time of the sack of Charleston, you finally made your move, joining the ship’s crew and hoping to work your way from the inside. The presence of those perfidious British aboard have complicated matters somewhat, but, ever the innovator, you adjust your goals accordingly.
Your goal: To survive, and to be in command of the Presence at game’s end. You may tell the other sailors whatever you wish to accomplish this mission, for this is the only way you can personally obtain a victory.
Powers: A dashing swashbuckler in the prime of your life, you have several skill sets that will serve your well during your time aboard:
- You may kill one person a night without the help of a partner or group. As always, your trusty rapier, a gift from the Count of Toulouse himself, is with you.
- You may investigate one person a night. Results may vary.
- You may roleblock one person per night. In addition to this, you will also find out how much gold they currently have.
You may do any one of these three activities on a single night, but none of them will earn you any treasure. In addition, you cannot perform the same individual action more than three consecutive nights. In lieu of this, you may also take part in the usual townie group activities (kill with at least 3 others, protect with at least 2 others) and obtain treasure. However, as you are already a wealthy man, treasure means very little to you. You just want your ship back and to have a good time in the process.
Finally, as a result of your skill with a rapier and overall flamboyance, you will survive the first kill attempt somebody makes on you without protection. Good luck!
Base gold: 100
You see a roleblock there right?
Leads me down two paths.
One: Lissa was roleblocked at random from the group.
Two: Lissa claimed roleblock when it didn't happen.
Points to Spaceman scum - and potentially Lissa - but definitely at least one frenchman in the original vig QT.
Now, why would any player roleblock a new player night 1? Unless they were setting her up for a later lynch.
Just something to tinfoil. Kill em both.
Unvote; Vote: Spaceman
Montmorency
10-05-2015, 13:11
OK.
Lissa, Barto, Auto, and Flax were the group assigned to attack Spaceman on N1.
Spaceman was in a group with me and Ice protecting you (i.e. Visor), but since you weren't attacked there's no proof that he actually maintained his commitment to the group.
Thus, we have a few possibilities, of which the most interesting are:
1. Spaceman is the Frenchman/godfather, and blocked Lissa because someone in the QT (or even another member of the same group) informed him of the plan.
2. Spaceman is the Frenchman/godfather, and Lissa is an original agent. he told her to drop out of the group, in which case she may have done nothing, stolen, or performed scans.
Something like the above could have worked with Lissa as the Frenchman, or both Lissa and Spaceman as original agents, but I think those are not very likely scenarios; if Lissa were Godfather, then she could have blocked someone else in the group to dilute any FOS, and if they were both just agents then Lissa could have just done something else and later claimed that someone else must have been the missing link.
Least likely is that all 3 French-originals were among some combination of Spaceman, Flax, Lissa, Barto, and Auto, since in that case utterly dismantling the vig group would have been easiest of all, with minimal risk of suspicion in the medium-term.
Moving on then, let's note that Lissa is known to have been involved with attacking Ironside N2. Maybe Iron was town and ran off, maybe he was 3rd-party and ran off, maybe he was 3rd-party and had some kind of automatic role-response to being attacked by Lissa - who knows. Regardless of Ironside's nature, Lissa was definitely involved in the attack.
As for N3, Lissa, Choxorn, Spaceman, and Zack were all supposed to be attacking Andres. Zack confirms this. Now, look here: Lissa, Choxorn, and Spaceman, all relatively-suspect and ostensibly together. Of course, we don't know who was really attacking Andres of these four, but...
Unvote; Vote: Spaceman
Now is a good time to give your group's perspective, Gaius.
We could also have 1/2 frenchman in the vig QT - spaceman/andor someone else.
Spaceman also doesn't have to be the frenchman, he can just be an agent.
First off, sorry, I've been offline for the past 72h or so, I am just catching up now.
Vote: ATPG
I don't know how serious your murder for hire scheme was, but I don't like it.
Double A
10-05-2015, 15:39
???? I don't see that anywhere in the description of their roles. It's not specific about that particular point.
GH said it somewhere in thread
With that in mind, it's possible that Sprig's partner was roleblocked, but I have no idea why his name was revealed.
Golden1Knight
10-05-2015, 16:39
For those wondering what I did last night: I forgot to send orders.
At least nobody tried to steal from me tonight.
El Barto
10-05-2015, 18:18
Become my permanent understudy.
Though you lose your soul, you win the world.
Arrr, ye be nae talkin' aboot any doubloons, lad.
el barto what did you do night 2?
Took ten gold fram a man wha claimed ta have a side made o' iron in order ta let his petwer-larded belly row off the ship -on'y drawback o' that be tha' we be now one lifeboat short.
Yup I would have claimed it was me regardless of reveal. In this particular case, the group I have performed actions with previously hadn't organised anything in my absence. Could have stolen something, done protection for the 10 gold or protected my gold. I just decided to do the only thing that is visible. I mean, why change what I have been doing?
That' explanation be no' quite enough…
Anyways i dislike the venomous swift judgement of Vote: El Barto, he caught my attention previously and done so again. Feels like the overreaction that scum do when there a whiff of a mislynch in the air.
…'specially in the light o' this. Why be ye claimin' in the Lord's name that I be engaged in acts o' suction?
First off, sorry, I've been offline for the past 72h or so, I am just catching up now.
Vote: ATPG
I don't know how serious your murder for hire scheme was, but I don't like it.
Wha' be this I dinnae even
Gaius Scribonius Curio
10-05-2015, 18:32
@ Monty: I do not claim to speak for my group - all I can say is that none of our targets have yet been attacked, so our cohesion is yet to be tested. N1: myself, Csargo, ATPG and johnhughthom protected Zack, as a shot in the dark; N2: there was a breakdown in communication and we went our separate ways; N3: we protected you.
If anyone deviated from these plans, they can let the group know directly.
For now, I like your logic:
Vote: Spaceman98
El Barto
10-05-2015, 18:45
Monty/Gaius: ye pays ye gets! Twa doubloons fer me vote on the man wha claims ta be fram space. Everyone knoweth tha' be fake, there be nay aliens.
Myrddraal
10-05-2015, 18:58
I'm gutted I missed this, but reading along with pleasure!
Askthepizzaguy
10-05-2015, 19:06
First off, sorry, I've been offline for the past 72h or so, I am just catching up now.
Vote: ATPG
I don't know how serious your murder for hire scheme was, but I don't like it.
It was very serious business. :stare:
El Barto
10-05-2015, 19:08
An' ye didnae call me, mon, whan I war ready an' willin'?
El Barto
10-05-2015, 19:19
I'm gutted
Sorry aboot tha', I sometimes swings me cutlass too wildly.
johnhughthom
10-05-2015, 20:38
Vote: spaceman
landlubber
10-05-2015, 20:53
Seems to me like vote:sprig is flinching.
Because she targeted spaceman. It would be convenient if they were both French for her to not perform the attack.
Fact is: Either she was roleblocked by the French, or she wasn't roleblocked at all.
Both should die in either case.
Yeah, that is really odd.
It's also possible that either the blocker died N1, or him or the target died N2, and if it was the target... also N3? That doesn't even make sense, so I guess it was a French block, yeah.
"That is really odd" was directed at the visor post before that - could have sworn that was quoted
First off, sorry, I've been offline for the past 72h or so, I am just catching up now.
Vote: ATPG
I don't know how serious your murder for hire scheme was, but I don't like it.
I don't like this vote.
El Barto
10-05-2015, 21:19
That Lissa lass hae a point.
Wait, a lass on board? *Ahem*
spaceman98
10-05-2015, 21:19
To the fresher-faced folk on this fine vessel-
I heard a tale once set oh a couple hundred years from now, about a man called the "Neutral Avenger". He'd claim he wasn't working for anyone, naught but for himself, and be getting revenge against all the penny-pinching ungenerous folk who be disrespectful to the folk workin' fer em.
He'd deliberately not be trying to kill anyone, but make his presence known. In plain terms, he be doin' it just to give himself a plausible alibi for the evenin'.
Later, when others grew bored with his story, they'd focus elsewhere. And then, he'd strike.
But what I'm gettin' at with me ramblin' is that Sprig could have just been tryin' to attack me solo for the explicit purpose of failure. I imagine you still get some gold for the failed action. (2 gold)
That said, he's not clear. Just not recruitin' or whatnot last night.
Oh, NotJim, I have 6 of yer gold pieces. Just sayin' lad. No one had the balls to steal from me last night either, so once again, my predictions came true.
This ship be full of men who ain't got the jimmies required to be pirates. Next time it won't be a paltry 6 gold either, yarr.
Do you know why Sprig was revealed
OK.
Lissa, Barto, Auto, and Flax were the group assigned to attack Spaceman on N1.
Spaceman was in a group with me and Ice protecting you (i.e. Visor), but since you weren't attacked there's no proof that he actually maintained his commitment to the group.
Thus, we have a few possibilities, of which the most interesting are:
1. Spaceman is the Frenchman/godfather, and blocked Lissa because someone in the QT (or even another member of the same group) informed him of the plan.
2. Spaceman is the Frenchman/godfather, and Lissa is an original agent. he told her to drop out of the group, in which case she may have done nothing, stolen, or performed scans.
Something like the above could have worked with Lissa as the Frenchman, or both Lissa and Spaceman as original agents, but I think those are not very likely scenarios; if Lissa were Godfather, then she could have blocked someone else in the group to dilute any FOS, and if they were both just agents then Lissa could have just done something else and later claimed that someone else must have been the missing link.
Least likely is that all 3 French-originals were among some combination of Spaceman, Flax, Lissa, Barto, and Auto, since in that case utterly dismantling the vig group would have been easiest of all, with minimal risk of suspicion in the medium-term.
Moving on then, let's note that Lissa is known to have been involved with attacking Ironside N2. Maybe Iron was town and ran off, maybe he was 3rd-party and ran off, maybe he was 3rd-party and had some kind of automatic role-response to being attacked by Lissa - who knows. Regardless of Ironside's nature, Lissa was definitely involved in the attack.
As for N3, Lissa, Choxorn, Spaceman, and Zack were all supposed to be attacking Andres. Zack confirms this. Now, look here: Lissa, Choxorn, and Spaceman, all relatively-suspect and ostensibly together. Of course, we don't know who was really attacking Andres of these four, but...
Unvote; Vote: Spaceman
Now is a good time to give your group's perspective, Gaius.
Your ignoring the possibility of the French blocking at random to create confusion/frame people.
First off, sorry, I've been offline for the past 72h or so, I am just catching up now.
Vote: ATPG
I don't know how serious your murder for hire scheme was, but I don't like it.
vote: The Flax
This vote is bad, especially since your totally ignoring all of the stuff between Pizza and Sprig. Coupled with your general non-particpation, I'd say that merits a vote
I'm still iffy about Sprig, and I'd still like more information from him. I suppose it will be easy to test tomorrow night whether any solo killer gets revealed, though that would be a very odd mechanic if true
Visor, I still want to know who was blocked tonight.
El Barto
10-05-2015, 21:32
I meself would rather ha' TheFlax lynched, ladnlubber me lad -ye landlubbers ken not how the life of seamen goes.
autolycus
10-05-2015, 21:45
It's hard to see the situation where Lissa is scum and spaceman isn't, so I'll vote:spaceman for the moment.
...kill em both and let god sort it out.
Hmm. Sounds like a very...French thing to say.
unvote, vote: spaceman98
I meself would rather ha' TheFlax lynched, ladnlubber me lad -ye landlubbers ken not how the life of seamen goes.
I'll take care of that for you soon enough. I'm such rubbish in large games and much too confused to be useful...
El Barto
10-05-2015, 22:19
Bu' ye can be useful ta me, mon. Pay me money -if yer bid be the highest, I votes whamever ye wants!
seireikhaan
10-05-2015, 22:45
Night before bsmith was killin', khaan be stealin'.
Last night bsmith scanned as innocent and unsuspectible to conversion. Who knows what kind of godfather-y roles there are out there though.
Not to detract from the current spaceman wagon, but could this be rephrased into a manner I can better understand?
Bsmith killed, then I stole, then Bsmith scans as innocent?
I keep hearin ghosts. Let's be hopin this here hull don't be turning into the Black Pearl if'n you know what I mean.
I be all for killin spaceman, but let's not get too carried away. A sensible alternative would naturally be vote: Lissa.
Tally:
7 spaceman98 - ( ATPG, autolycus, Gaius, Ishmael, Lissa, Visorslash, jht)
2 Sprig - (El Barto, landlubber)
2 TheFlax - (spaceman98, Montmorency)
6 Lissa - (Ituralde, BSmith, Zach, Choxorn, Golden1Knight, Csargo)
1 Visorslash - (Andres)
1 El Barto - (Sprig)
1 ATPG - (TheFlax)
6 Not Voting - (Double A, NotJimRV)
Your ignoring the possibility of the French blocking at random to create confusion/frame people.
Except they haven't blocked every night - plus this post suggests you do have a block.
I blocked El Barto fwiw.
Not to detract from the current spaceman wagon, but could this be rephrased into a manner I can better understand?
Bsmith killed, then I stole, then Bsmith scans as innocent?
Yeah, the way the scans worked changed.
Yeah, the way the scans worked changed.
Andres Can you confirm?
El Barto
10-05-2015, 23:48
I blocked El Barto fwiw.
Ye shouldnave jeed yer ginger, lad.
vote: lissa
Seems to me like vote:sprig is flinching.
this vote is lazy and bad. what flinch
vote: spaceman98
This screams of a mafia hopping on a bandwagon to bus their teammate.
Vote: Lissa
Why would the french block instead of look for recruits. Blocking is a waste of time for them. I think Lissa's just lying about the block n1, her claim that it had no flavor seals it as made-up for me. I've wanted to go after her since d2 because of that.
Out of lissa/spaceman/landlubber, lynch one and vig the other two
El Barto
10-06-2015, 02:50
this vote is lazy and bad. what flinch
Young spriggans be votin' me, cleanest o' people e'er.
Why would the french block instead of look for recruits. Blocking is a waste of time for them. I think Lissa's just lying about the block n1, her claim that it had no flavor seals it as made-up for me. I've wanted to go after her since d2 because of that.
Then let's go efter her, mon. Jist pay us twa gold and our vote be yours'n fer the rest o' tha day.
Out of lissa/spaceman/landlubber, lynch one and vig the other two
Arrrr, this be a good plan. Choose yer targets and send their names an' twa gold pieces an' ye gets yer choice.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 03:10
Nae sweat, mon. I'd kill fer free, incident'lly -there be ten gold in it one way or another.
Golden1Knight
10-06-2015, 03:20
Vote: Lissa
Vote: Lissa
El Barto I'll pay you a few gold to vote yourself. Name the price.
Also, tally updated.
landlubber
10-06-2015, 04:01
Spaceman, your first statement is false.
It was with in Normal game mechanics.
Nothing to do with me or pizza.
It wasn't really a solo kill attempts since that Is not possible, simple the other three people on my order had no idea what I did. In hindsight I should have cc'd but I'm on mobile and it would confuse things anyway.
Buddy thing? What's your point?
I dunno, I just got bad vibes from this post. Seems sort of jumpy to me.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:03
El Barto I'll pay you a few gold to vote yourself. Name the price.
Four doubloons! An' I does no' remove the vote fram meself fer the rest o' the phase. Even if someone bids a higher number.
Four doubloons! An' I does no' remove the vote fram meself fer the rest o' the phase. Even if someone bids a higher number.
Deal.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:16
Then why be ye no' handin' any money that I or oor belov'd GM can see, man? Doubloons be tangible things, savvy? It be a fine, honest deal, fram which much merriment can be had.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:19
Seriously, mate, ye has 15 minutes afore I goes abed.
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2015, 04:20
In all seriousness, I do need all gold transactions confirmed to me in private.
What a lousy pirate you are. Csargo clearly would have gone higher than four gold, and you settle at such a low price? Shameful.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:22
Arr, I's sold me vote in all previous phases, I knows how it be done. 13 minutes…
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:23
What a lousy pirate you are. Csargo clearly would have gone higher than four gold, and you settle at such a low price? Shameful.
I wants a deal afore I has ta kip -if ye had started earlier ye could have had much merriment fram oor bargainin'. But so far I's been paid twa gold fer mutiny, sae four geld be no' a bad increase, think ye not?
I wouldn't dare sell my dignity for a mere four gold! It's worth at least six or seven, I'd think.
Seriously, mate, ye has 15 minutes afore I goes abed.
PM sent.
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:28
I be no' buyin' today, Zack, jus' sellin', but ye's namin' a fair price an' I might be a wee bi' int'rested in such acquisitions and purchases.
Then why be ye no' handin' any money that I or oor belov'd GM can see, man? Doubloons be tangible things, savvy? It be a fine, honest deal, fram which much merriment can be had.
I wasn't thinking. :shame:
El Barto
10-06-2015, 04:29
Arrr, you's a gent, Csargo me man.
unvote; vote: El Barto
I be no' buyin' today, Zack, jus' sellin', but ye's namin' a fair price an' I might be a wee bi' int'rested in such acquisitions and purchases.
I'd rather have my gold in my own pocket, personally.
I'd rather have my gold in my own pocket, personally.
Why? Gold's pretty useless at this point. The top brass has been in place for the last few rounds, and the only way to keep up with them would be to steal.
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