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GeneralHankerchief

10-08-2015, 22:50

Quick note regarding the timer: I forgot to set the timezone when first creating the post which means that unless you're living on the East Coast of the USA, you were reading an inaccurate timer. I've since updated it to fix this. You have slightly over six hours remaining.

Accurate timer:

Sprig

10-08-2015, 23:09

Better get a vote down. First on the list. Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

El Barto

10-08-2015, 23:20

Better get a vote down. First on the list. Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Why be ye votin' me mate Curio all of a sudden?

dcmort93

10-08-2015, 23:48

Alright for now I'm going to Abstain

GeneralHankerchief

10-08-2015, 23:49

Alright for now I'm going to Abstain

Please follow the Vote: _________ format, it makes my life a lot easier :yes:

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 00:03

My bad, Vote: Abstain

Sprig

10-09-2015, 00:17

Please follow the Vote: _________ format, it makes my life a lot easier :yes:

Off Topic: Why is that? do use a script of something to tally?

GeneralHankerchief

10-09-2015, 00:28

No, but when I'm skimming the thread to do my official tally after I close voting, it stands out a lot more than just the name simply being bolded.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 00:35

'specially whan many people be boldin' words at random wivout actually using the bolded text as a vote.

Ishmael

10-09-2015, 01:37

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 01:38

Visor

10-09-2015, 01:40

Cause he be French.

DC do you have skype?

Ishmael

10-09-2015, 01:41

Why so desperate to stay alive?

Because I like living, and at present time I don't think I have the most gold, which is the requirement to win?

Zack

10-09-2015, 01:42

Why so desperate to stay alive?

Cause he be French.

DC do you have skype?
Anyone who doesn't want to die is French?

Vote: TheFlax

Visor

10-09-2015, 01:44

Anyone who doesn't want to die is French?

Vote: TheFlax

Well the French are a subset of that group which does not include all pirates.

And in any case I think he's French and I know Flax isn't so he should not get lynched.

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 01:45

DC do you have skype?

Same as my username

Visor

10-09-2015, 01:48

Added DC. I'm No lynch. (I'll explain the name at some stage).

Zack

10-09-2015, 01:51

Well the French are a subset of that group which does not include all pirates.

And in any case I think he's French and I know Flax isn't so he should not get lynched.
I'm really sick of these absolute declarations that you do not back up with any information and expect people to follow you blindly. We are not minions at your beck and call (well, some might be). Back up your assertions, I am not going to simply take your word for it.

Visor

10-09-2015, 01:53

I'm really sick of these absolute declarations that you do not back up with any information and expect people to follow you blindly. We are not minions at your beck and call (well, some might be). Back up your assertions, I am not going to simply take your word for it.

Hello Pot.

I'm not defending him without reason. He has claimed to me - and the role is 100% impossible to be French. AA can back it up - he claimed to him as well.

Zack

10-09-2015, 01:56

Hello Pot.

I'm not defending him without reason. He has claimed to me - and the role is 100% impossible to be French. AA can back it up - he claimed to him as well.
I don't care about vague allusions to information held by you and your pawns (which I increasingly suspect Double A is). I am not moving my vote without something more substantial defending TheFlax. At least something substantial damning Ishmael would be nice.

Zack

10-09-2015, 01:57

You can't say "dance monkey" and promise you have a banana. You must give me the banana before I dance.

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:04

I don't care about vague allusions to information held by you and your pawns (which I increasingly suspect Double A is). I am not moving my vote without something more substantial defending TheFlax. At least something substantial damning Ishmael would be nice.

My Pawns? :laugh4:

The only person I talk to this game with any regularity is AA because he's the captain and ATPG because I like to hear what kind of outlandish claim he is going to make next.

If you want something damning Ishmael you can take a look at his posts. He's clearly around and active but he barely posts and has shown no desire to interact with players - making a bare minimum of in thread activity - blending in, not rocking any boats.

He's done absolutely nothing for the town and now he shows up and tries to bribe members.

Zack

10-09-2015, 02:12

My Pawns? :laugh4:

The only person I talk to this game with any regularity is AA because he's the captain and ATPG because I like to hear what kind of outlandish claim he is going to make next.

If you want something damning Ishmael you can take a look at his posts. He's clearly around and active but he barely posts and has shown no desire to interact with players - making a bare minimum of in thread activity - blending in, not rocking any boats.

He's done absolutely nothing for the town and now he shows up and tries to bribe members.
Hardly damning and hardly unique to him. I don't see anything substantial here. That line about how "he's done nothing for the town" in particular is nonsense propaganda and you know it.

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:14

So let me be clear - you're voting someone who is 100% not french because of gold.

After complaining about gold seekers for most of the game?

BSmith

10-09-2015, 02:16

Ishmael has confirmed night actions every night except N3 when the group he has been a main part of was fairly disorganized. Doesn't clear him of course, but he is at least active in a manner that can be tracked (mostly).

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:17

Zack

10-09-2015, 02:19

So let me be clear - you're voting someone who is 100% not french because of gold.
100% not french my ass. All I have on that is your word, which is nearly worthless. There's nothing of substance to suggest Flax is "100% not french".

After complaining about gold seekers for most of the game?
When did I do that? I complained that people were saying/implying that gold-seeking and ignoring all else was the right way to play. I did not say that there was anything wrong with wanting gold, and I have expressed such a desire myself. Show me one instance where I "complained" about someone being bribed.

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 02:20

Yeah honestly the French could be in any night group at this point seeing as we don't have a clue who any are save one possibly.

Zack

10-09-2015, 02:21

So have most of the people in the game.
That is blatantly false. Claiming night actions is not the same as confirming them.

Zack

10-09-2015, 02:22

Yeah honestly the French could be in any night group at this point seeing as we don't have a clue who any are save one possibly.
Yeah honestly the French could be any officers or the captain at this point considering none of them have been scanned in any meaningful way.

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 02:33

Choxorn

10-09-2015, 02:36

Attention: In the interest of blatant self-preservation, I am offering a reward of gold to those who switch their vote to TheFlax.

8 gold will be given to the first person to switch their vote to him, 6 to the second, and 4 to all thereafter, until such point as TheFlax is two votes clear of me. I will also award 2 gold to those already voting for TheFlax (that is, autolycus), as a disincentive to switch.

The gold will be paid tonight (which, as the particularly astute will note, will only occur if I survive the day). If you have no preference as to who should be lynched between myself and TheFlax, this is your chance to earn some easy gold.

Sure, I'll take your offer, I see little compelling reason to vote for anyone else. Vote: TheFlax

Hello Pot.

I'm not defending him without reason. He has claimed to me - and the role is 100% impossible to be French. AA can back it up - he claimed to him as well.

How are you so sure he couldn't possibly be French? And that he's telling the truth?

And even if you're sure he's not French, can we be sure he's not some kind of third party role?

Or is that it? You're 100% certain he's not French because you know he's something else that still isn't on our side?

How do we know you're not French or some kind of third party role, for that matter? Why should we just take your word for it that TheFlax is a bad vote when "Just don't vote for him" is all you have to offer?

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:38

Because he claimed a proveable role. I'll get him to prove it tonight.

And I'll equal the deal Ishmael made.

If you switch from Flax to Ishamel, 8 gold for first, 6, 4.

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:39

I'm not doing this out of the kindness of my heart. I believe 100% Flax is not french.

Where is his support? Where are his teammates?

You can't name em cause they don't exist.

If all you care about it gold, I'll pay for players to switch to Ishmael. I'm not winning the gold race anyway.

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 02:39

Yeah honestly the French could be any officers or the captain at this point considering none of them have been scanned in any meaningful way. I'd be more than happy to solve that problem in some way tonight. Maybe scan Visor to ease everyone's suspicion, and then trade the position out with someone to have them scan me?

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:41

DC can scan me tonight. And continue the scan on sprig or choxorn after me. If you're really worried and interested on wasting scans.

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 02:47

Why did you mention Choxorn there?

BSmith

10-09-2015, 02:48

If we have repeatedly supervised the actions of certain individuals and have a good idea of what they have been doing, then perhaps we should first eliminate the individuals whom we have not supervised.

Unvote; Vote: JHT

Seriously, all this ado about nothing.

This is precisely my point. Let's focus on those we don't know much about rather than those that have been doing provable actions.

BSmith

10-09-2015, 02:49

Why did you mention Choxorn there?

Chox and sprig were scanned L1 last night by Jim. DC should absolutely L2 scan Visor tonight. Then switch with him and have visor scan him next night. Chox and sprig can wait for their second scan. We need to know we can trust our officers.

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 02:50

We need to know we can trust our officers.
I trust one of them

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 02:52

Chox and sprig were scanned L1 last night by Jim.

Was this mentioned publicly anywhere?

Zack

10-09-2015, 02:52

Where is his support? Where are his teammates?

You can't name em cause they don't exist.
What a silly argument. There could only be one Frenchie left for all we know. For that matter, who are Ishmael's teammates?

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:54

DC cannot L2 scan me until tomorrow night. Then he l2 scans one of sprig or choxorn, then we switch places.

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:54

Was this mentioned publicly anywhere?

Yes.

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 02:55

DC cannot L2 scan me until tomorrow night. Then he l2 scans one of sprig or choxorn, then we switch places.

...

What?

Visor

10-09-2015, 02:58

...

What?

There are two levels of scan.

You all seem to want to throw away scans on obvious townies, so DC is scanning me tonight, then he is scanning me the next night. Then he finishes a scan on sprig or choxorn.

Then we switch places and I scan him/AA.

BSmith

10-09-2015, 02:58

BSmith
I am interested.

Great. I'll let you know details once night is upon us. Tell me now if there is anyone you don't want vigged and why.

BSmith

10-09-2015, 03:00

There are two levels of scan.

You all seem to want to throw away scans on obvious townies, so DC is scanning me tonight, then he is scanning me the next night. Then he finishes a scan on sprig or choxorn.

Then we switch places and I scan him/AA.

The mechanic may be different this game, but last game the FM could scan one person and go straight to a second scan result, or scan 2 people for first level results. Are you confirming the difference?

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 03:02

That's not what my confusion is about.

Last night we got:

Sprig L1
Chox L1

My own targets for the scan are obviously not in accord with the popular currents, but what I am taking from your post is that you will do this:

N5:

Nothing

N6:

Visor L2

N7:

Chox or Sprig L2

Why would you throw out half the scan-power?

BSmith

10-09-2015, 03:03

First Mate role from the last game:

You have been appointed to:

First Mate

“Heaven, you fool? Did you ever hear of any pirates going thither?”
~ Thomas Sutton, shortly before his execution

Congratulations on your promotion! As long as you hold this position, you’re trading in a life of drunken debauchery for one of trying to keep order and making sure that the ship does not completely fall into the hands of the Guardacosta or other enemies. You think you prefer the debauchery, though you can’t complain about the pay rate.

Your goals: Your goals remain the same as they were before you took office. You will not be able to be converted while in office, even if you are susceptible to Letters of Marque.

Powers: Your nighttime abilities as First Mate override those you had previously. Upon your removal from office, you will get your original powers back.

- If you are attacked at night, you stand a 50% chance of dying before factoring in protections, larger-than-usual kill groups, and the like. This immunity may be reduced or eliminated in the endgame at my discretion.
- You may kill one person per night on your own.
- Alternatively, you may investigate two people per night to determine their actions and other information. The first investigation will reveal the target’s actions that night. The second will reveal their susceptibility to Letters of Marque. The third will reveal their true affiliation as well as provide a list of activities they have been up to through the current night.
- If you wish, you may choose to only investigate one person per night to immediately jump to Tier 2 results on the target.
- Your salary as First Mate is 12 treasure per night. This overrides any treasure you would have ordinarily received for night actions, however, you still get the 2 per night you get for submitting an order.
- Unlike the Captain, you have a vote in the daily proceedings. If there is a tie vote, you, the Captain, and the Quartermaster will vote to break the tie. If the three of you cannot break that tie (say, each of you votes to execute a different person), then the Captain has the final say.
- So long as you hold this office, you cannot Abandon Ship.

Lastly, in addition to your orders, you have the option to leave the Captain vulnerable at night. This is not the default option – i.e. you must specifically let me know that you are doing this. If both you and the Quartermaster choose to leave the Captain vulnerable for a night, then the protection his office provides is removed and he is liable to be murdered at night. However, you cannot be the one to deliver the killing blow – the Captain must be murdered by an outside source. The Captain does not know about this ability. Good luck!

Visor

10-09-2015, 03:03

N5 he scans me and some other guy

n6 he scans me l2

n7 he scans chox or sprig

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:04

VIER DUBLOEN! unvote; vote: The Flax

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 03:05

n6 he scans me l2

n7 he scans chox or sprig

That's dumb and a waste of half the power. The following would be a much less stupid schedule for accomplishing the same.

N5:

Visor L2

N6:

Sprig L2
Chox L2

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:05

Eeek! Wee Visorslashie be payin' eight doubloon.

unvote; vote: Ishmael

BSmith

10-09-2015, 03:06

If that is the way it needs to be, then that some other guy better be AA

Visor

10-09-2015, 03:06

First Mate role from the last game:

NJ never posted his pm, just what the role did. I'm waiting to hear from DC in case he didn't read correctly.

Montmorency

10-09-2015, 03:07

Ok, so, Visor, let me get this straight for the end of the day:

Ishmael, Golden, and Auto are super-scummy, but Flax and JHT are almost-certainly not scum?

And I thought some of Zack's proposals were out-there...

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 03:07

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:07

I expects yer money order shortly, wee Visorslashie.

Visor

10-09-2015, 03:09

WELP

apparently NJ never read his role PM correctly

so I can be l2 scanned straight off the bat.

sorry about that.

@ monty

flax is assuredly not french, jht i have no read on, but I think ishmael is far more likely to be french then him henc ewhy i am pushing against ishmael

Visor

10-09-2015, 03:10

I expects yer money order shortly, wee Visorslashie.

I'll send it in the night after the lynch - same as Ishmaels deal.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:11

Nae. Ye sends it now an' it's cashed in next dawn.
unvote; vote: The Flax

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 03:13

At this point I've heard enough to let The Flax off the hook. Unvote; Vote: Ishmael

Your outright bribe to stay alive just doesn't sit right with me pirate or no.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 03:14

Which is what my list was based on.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 03:16

This is precisely my point. Let's focus on those we don't know much about rather than those that have been doing provable actions.

My post above was reply to this.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 03:21

I only count actions confirmed by narrator, for further clarification.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 03:24

Ishmael has been confirm in action 3 nights out of 4 - this is far better than then someone like ATPG who has no actions confirmed.

TheFlax

10-09-2015, 03:25

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:28

unvote, vote: Ishmael

BSmith

10-09-2015, 03:46

anyone have a tally?

GeneralHankerchief

10-09-2015, 03:50

5-4 Ishmael.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:55

Oooh, one hour remainin'… send in yer bids afore it ends, laddies! It bain't over jus' yet.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 03:57

I can take Visors word on flax for now. But forget Ishmael there are much tastier and scummy people that deserve to walk the plank.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 03:59

An' wha would they be?

Sprig

10-09-2015, 04:01

I have given my list.

Visor

10-09-2015, 04:04

I can take Visors word on flax for now. But forget Ishmael there are much tastier and scummy people that deserve to walk the plank.

Alright, who?

Sprig

10-09-2015, 04:05

Here it is again.

Gaius Scribonius Curio
johnhughthom
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Choxorn

Golden1Knight

10-09-2015, 04:06

Vote: Abstain

El Barto

10-09-2015, 04:07

Sprig, woudl tha' be yer claims 'gainst ATPG an' Curio? Curio's me cobber, mon, an' ye's still no' explained tha'.

Visorslash: Git ready, mon! Wha' be ye biddin'? Ye's no' th' only one doin' biddin' tonicht -ye could be outbidded soon enough.

Sprig

10-09-2015, 04:19

"Are you you a little bit deaf or do you need things explained to you like you are a street urchin *Squawk*"

They have not had or less than others, Accountable actions.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 04:20

Bu' they's bin gud fer accountin'! I's sure ta have received over a dozen doubloons fram them awready.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 04:46

Well, 11 minutes remainin', seems the eight gold pieces will do.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 04:57

unvote; vote: The Flax

GeneralHankerchief

10-09-2015, 04:59

Voting closed.

Visor

10-09-2015, 05:07

What a surprise.

I wonder if you were even paid in the first place.

TheFlax

10-09-2015, 05:33

Vaarwel.

GeneralHankerchief

10-09-2015, 05:42

Day 5

Tensions were running high aboard the Presence, with the familiar tone of distrust against the officer corps being taken. The Quartermaster was coming under increasing fire, the Captain was being questioned about his effectiveness, and the First Mate looked like an entirely different person than he did yesterday! Nonetheless, the general discontent never morphed into a mutiny, and eventually the voting went in different directions.

Lots of different directions.

Perhaps as a result of the sentiment toward the officer corps, nobody quite had enough pull to lead the crewmen in one direction or the other. At one point in the day, a full half the sailors aboard had somebody writing their name down - or an approximation of such - to face the plank. As this was not particularly an appealing situation for anyone aboard, it was only a matter of time before somebody took action to rectify the situation. This person ended up being Ishmael. Currently in the lead with three votes, Ishmael stepped forward and addressed the full crew.

"All right laddies, it be obvious to me that there be no consensus aboard. Seeing as I be the leadin' candidate, allow me to offer such: Anyone who votes for TheFlax gets a share out o' me big pile of gold!" This was enough to cause a commotion. Instantly all eyes turned towards TheFlax, looking for his response.

TheFlax looked unimpressed. "A paltry sum," he said. "This be the goin' rate for votes nowadays?"

"Aye!" somebody shouted out. That was El Barto, of course.

Flax was done, saying no more on the matter. Visorslash, however, was not. Convinced - or at least, appearing that way - of Ishmael's guilt, he offered to match Ishmael's price should any sailors place their vote on him instead, with the added unspoken benefit of being in the Quartermaster's favor as a result. El Barto, for his part, looked like all his dreams came true at once.

From there it was off to the races, with the votes quickly coalescing around Ishmael and TheFlax, with El Barto in particular running back and forth between the two, looking happier and happier with each new exchange. Meanwhile, both lynch candidates were seriously starting to sweat.

Finally, Captain Double A stood up, ready to call an end to proceedings. El Barto and Ishmael were currently deep in discussion.

"Right then, by my count it be 5-4 in favor of-"

"STOP!" El Barto cried out. Everybody looked at him quizzically.

"I be changin' my vote!" he said.

"Barto, you've already changed yer vote four times in the past hour or two!"

"Well I be changin' it a fifth time! I switch from Ishmael to TheFlax!"

Instant bedlam. Double A sighed in exasperation. Visorslash started cursing up a storm. Ishmael breathed a huge sigh of relief. TheFlax paled. El Barto looked pleased with his handiwork. The rest of the sailors just stared in shock, wondering what on earth had just happened.

"Right then, Flax, to the plank with ye," Double A said. TheFlax automatically complied, still trying to process what had just happened. "Any last words?"

"Shoulda tried negotiatin', laddie!" That was El Barto. "Ain't nothin' that a good bit o' business can't solve!"

"Yes. Business," TheFlax said absentmindedly, almost to himself, and was summarily booted off the Presence.

Day 5 tally:
TheFlax: 5 (Ishmael, autolycus, Zack, Choxorn, El Barto) :skull:
Ishmael: 4 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Visorslash, TheFlax, dcmort93)
Golden1Knight: 2 (Ituralde, Andres)
johnhughthom: 2 (BSmith, Montmorency)
Zack: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (Sprig)

Abstained: 3 (Double A, Csargo, Golden1Knight)
Didn't vote: 1 (johnhughthom)

It is now Night 5. Please send in your orders. Night 5 will conclude on Saturday, October 10th, at 10:00 US Eastern Time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3)

Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)

Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)

Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)

Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5)

Souls aboard: (18)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Sprig
Visorslash
Zack

Visor

10-09-2015, 05:48

[2:44:08 PM] No Lynch: flax got lynched
[2:44:12 PM] No Lynch: last minute vote to save ishmael
[2:44:16 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Bleh
[2:44:25 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Real quick though
[2:44:33 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Sprig says I have zero actions confirmed?
[2:44:40 PM] No Lynch: narrator confirmed
[2:44:43 PM] No Lynch: as in in writeup
[2:44:58 PM] No Lynch: you could be 'stealing' from mafia partners etcv
[2:45:08 PM] No Lynch: so yeah, zero narrator confirmed actions
[2:46:07 PM] Askthepizzaguy: stealing from mafia partners, eh?
[2:46:14 PM] Askthepizzaguy: I'm switching targets every night
[2:46:24 PM] Askthepizzaguy: seems like a foolhardy plan to out my team
[2:46:25 PM] No Lynch: i'm just saying
[2:46:28 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Yeah
[2:46:35 PM] Askthepizzaguy: but we both know that's silliness
[2:46:43 PM] Askthepizzaguy: I just wanted to say so because I can't log in and say so
[2:47:01 PM] Askthepizzaguy: If you would pass that along for me it would be pretty sweet
[2:47:16 PM] No Lynch: just copy paste the chat?
[2:47:19 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Yes plz
[2:47:22 PM] No Lynch: kk doing
[2:47:27 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Muchas gracias

ATPG can't access the Org hence the chat.

Ishmael

10-09-2015, 05:55

Gold sent to those who voted for TheFlax.

Visor

10-09-2015, 06:07

You had a good run Ishmael. Care to tell us how many left?

Askthepizzaguy

10-09-2015, 12:24

Did someone order a pizza?

Don't forget to leave a tip, just saying.

Visor

10-09-2015, 13:01

Since I'm far too lazy to organise this privately - I want a vig hit on Ishmael. I'll pay 3 gold to each player who joins a vig group (and ccs me) to kill him.

Askthepizzaguy

10-09-2015, 14:02

^I'm also matching that offer.

You'll be well paid but it is first come first served.

Some folks may be turned away due to suspicion, but if we approve, you're in.

Visor

10-09-2015, 14:27

^I'm also matching that offer.

You'll be well paid but it is first come first served.

Some folks may be turned away due to suspicion, but if we approve, you're in.

I'll approve basically anyone. Just say you're in and its easy money.

Askthepizzaguy

10-09-2015, 14:36

I wouldn't approve a suspected French guy, but they won't volunteer for this unless they're dumb.

The people involved in this group are gonna get scanned + vigged until they're all dead or clear if it fails, period.

Zack

10-09-2015, 19:11

dcmort93

10-09-2015, 21:34

Can the First Mate PM just be posted, or at least the part about the scans? I know the level two scan did not reveal alignment last game, only susceptibility to conversion, so I find the result on BSmith odd and suspect it might just be NotJim misinterpreting the results.
Here you go

- Alternatively, you may investigate two people per night to determine their actions and other information. The first investigation will reveal the target’s actions that night. The second will reveal their susceptibility to Letters of Marque. The third will reveal their true affiliation..
- If you wish, you may choose to only investigate one person per night to immediately jump to Tier 2 results on the target.

I'm guessing his (my) results are correct since he (I) scanned BSmith twice, once with someone else and the second time on his own.

El Barto

10-09-2015, 23:17

What a surprise.

I wonder if you were even paid in the first place.
I war!

Since I'm far too lazy to organise this privately - I want a vig hit on Ishmael. I'll pay 3 gold to each player who joins a vig group (and ccs me) to kill him.

^I'm also matching that offer.

You'll be well paid but it is first come first served.

Some folks may be turned away due to suspicion, but if we approve, you're in.
*sniffs around* I smells money here.

Zack

10-10-2015, 00:10

Delete

El Barto

10-10-2015, 00:12

Eh? Wha' have ye deleted, Zack?

Csargo

10-10-2015, 01:31

All hail King Pizza!!!

El Barto

10-10-2015, 01:51

We be pirates -wha' be this kin' ye be talkin' aboot?

Montmorency

10-10-2015, 01:59

You never heard of a pirate king?

dcmort93

10-10-2015, 02:04

You never heard of a pirate king? I've heard of Gol D. Rogers :pirate:

Double A

10-10-2015, 07:44

Too bad he's dead.

BSmith

10-10-2015, 13:50

Andres and Gaius. You better show up tonight.

GeneralHankerchief

10-10-2015, 15:00

Night 5 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.

I have a limited amount of time to get resolutions done before I have to go to another commitment, apologies if the quality seems rushed and/or I'm not able to get to feedback PMs.

GeneralHankerchief

10-10-2015, 16:10

Night 5

Even aboard a pirate ship, there was always some semblance of order, of structure. Anarchy and ineffectiveness went hand-in-hand, after all, and the Presence had been anything but ineffective over the years. As the ship continued its journey towards Nassau, however, and the number of sailors decreased, there was definitely a notable breakdown in order. Nobody knew who to trust and everyone was out for themselves.

The fight was two-on-two: johnhughthom and a lone guardian angel against an equal amount of attackers clearly focused on just john. He wasn't sure of his ally's effectiveness, having already accidentally dropped his cutlass a few times during the fight, but the amount and quality of insults hurled in the attackers' direction was certainly appreciated nonetheless.

"Ohhh, is that the best ye've got?" the protector shouted out after one particularly questionable attack that john easily parried. "I've heard tales of a man who fancies such a move. He lives in the city and goes to the theater and spends time with soft boys though! Haw haw haw!"

After several minutes of this, the attackers started to get incensed, getting ever-sloppier with their attacks, which in turn caused the protector to get even louder and more vicious with his insults, causing a recurring feedback loop. By the end of it, the attackers were little more than cavemen, inarticulately grunting and swinging their cutlasses wildly at anything that remotely resembled their target. John eventually and mercifully ended the engagement by whacking the two of them upside the head with a large block of wood. Nodding to his protector, the two of them went their separate ways.

Gaius Scribonius Curio and three fellow crewmen were above decks, having a drinking contest. It had been almost a week since they had done this, and, well, that was just an unacceptably long time between drinking contests. Clearly this situation had to be rectified immediately. And so they broke into the Presence's kitchens, snatched a large amount of rum, and raced above decks to let the contest begin.

"Nassau?" Curio began. "Nassau's taverns ain't worth the piss I spray them with every time visit 'em! Nay, mateys, the best drinking establishments be located in Cork, back in the Old World. All the fine quality of Dublin's beers plus the added bonus that ye be drinking with dockworkers and their ilk!"

"Cork, the best?" another said. "That rum already be gettin' to ye! I be old enough to remember this one lovely establishment in Port Royal, before the earthquake threw it back in the sea. Ah, granted, the ale wasn't the best, but the clientele couldn't be beaten! I swear, that was the only place where everybody knew me name..."

"You just be sayin' that because that place had the only wench in this part o' the world that actually gave you attention!" said a third. "Nay, the best drink I've ever had was in the Spice Islands. Me ship back at the time - this was before I'd turned pirate - was runnin' through as part of a usual trade route, when we ran aground on an island I'd never seen before and that wasn't on our maps. I went out to look for a water source with a couple other crewmen, but we got separated due to the thick jungle. I called for 'em and tried to retrace me steps but there was just no sign of 'em. So I was startin' to think that this might be it, see? After a couple o' hours of walking around without any real destination in mind, I finally stumble across it - it be a full native village, untouched by the trade! I might have been the first outsider to actually see it! I go in expectin' the worst, but the natives were very friendly and nice to me - maybe because they all knew I could take on any three o' them in a fight! So the chief has me in his hut, and his daughter comes up to me, lookin' all sweet and pure and innocent fer the world. Without saying a word, she offers me a cup o' this magnificent brew -"

"Stop right there," said the second sailor. "I call shenanigans! Ye turned pirate what, fifteen years ago? This places ye at around age 13 when it happened! Nay, I don't buy it."

"Alright alright, I mighta put a bit o' embellishment on a detail or two," the third admitted. "Say, what about ye? Where be the best place to have a drink?"

Everybody turned to the fourth sailor, who suddenly looked nervous. "Well," he started, looking sheepish, "I've always enjoyed a glass of sangria on a hot summer's day in Barcelona..."

"SANGRIA??!?!" And then an argument erupted about proper piratical liquor and behavior, it eventually getting so intense and heated that the three sailors completely forgot that they were supposed to kill Curio, who had a very enjoyable and peaceful night indeed.

autolycus sniffed the air around him. In times like this, somebody might say they were able to detect the stench of death, or the winds of change, or something equally foreboding and poetic, but autolycus was just a regular pirate and had no such literary tendencies. He could smell the salt of the ocean. He could smell the tang of the Presence. These things hadn't changed much ever since they set sail from New Tortuga. He could smell the grog on the hot breath of two figures edging closer to him...

Wait, this was new. Turning around, acting purely on instinct, he cried out in shock and swung his cutlass wildly. To everyone involved's surprise, he connected, making a wide slash that caught both would-be attackers in the gut. Each immediately doubled over in pain. The wound wasn't particularly deep and they'd live, but they were in no condition to fight that night, leaving autolycus to make a clean getaway.

He would spend the rest of the night with a bottle of smelling salts close at hand, determined to stay awake in case anyone else tried anything.

There were worse things than death. Ishmael knew this, believed this, had this instilled in his mind from a very young age. Despite this, death, specifically rapidly-approaching death, had a particular way of making people forget about things worse than it in the heat of the moment. Now was such a time for Ishmael, who saw two sailors advancing on his position with purpose.

"Not today, boys!" he called out. "I not be survivin' the lynch yesterday to have it end like this!"

The two men didn't respond, instead closing the distance and drawing their cutlasses. Ishmael responded in kind, and the fight was on. Iron clashed against iron, grunts of effort and pain grew louder, and the Presence rang with the sounds of the clash. The two attackers had the numbers, but Ishmael was a wily enough swordsmen to always ensure that he had room to maneuver. Indeed, the attackers were never able to fully corner their target, leaving them more and more frustrated.

As the duel went on and Ishmael escaped certain death for yet another time, one of the attackers threw his cutlass to the ground in anger, clearly not thinking. This was Ishmael's chance. As the attacker went down to pick it up, Ishmael parried a blow from the other attacker, moved into position, and kicked the man picking up his cutlass hard, in the face.

It was a perfect connection. Ishmael kicked him so hard that he actually sent him in the air, flying, only to land spread-eagled on his back a second later, out cold. Ishmael, cursing in pain and realizing the fact that kicking something that hard inevitably hurt *you* too, limped back below decks as the other attacker went to check on his buddy.

That morning, Captain Double A gathered the crew together to address them. "Right lads," he began, "I got good news and bad news. The good news is that there were no deaths today!" The crew actually managed to look disappointed and angry at this, causing Double A to pause for a second out of uncertainty. "Anyway, the bad news is that there were four separate attacks tonight, which means that there were no kills due to incompetence and not peacefulness aboard the ship! Seriously mateys, we need to get ourselves together if we want to make it alive to Nassau to spend our haul!!"

"Yeah yeah," a sailor called out, "we've all heard this speech before. Get to the good stuff! Did we bag any Frenchies?"

"Ah, right," Double A said. "Nay, not on Night or Day 3 at any rate. Xiahou and Ice were both loyal crewmen. Let's hope we have more luck today. Get votin, ye bloomin' bags o' barracuda bait!"

OOC: It is now Day 6. Voting will last until Sunday, October 11th, at 17:00 US Eastern Time.

I will try to have all feedback PMs before I have to go out. If you don't get yours in the next 20-25 minutes or so, expect them in 8 hours.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3), johnhughthom (n5), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n5), autolycus (n5), Ishmael (n5)

Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)

Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)

Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)

Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5)

Souls aboard: (18)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Sprig
Visorslash
Zack

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:11

What on earth

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:14

Vote: Ishmael

of course

There better be some answers

seireikhaan

10-10-2015, 16:16

Oh look. Xiahou was town. Shock. I'm glad we went through that day phase.

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:19

If I didn't know any better I'd say you weren't surprised at Xiahou flipping town.

seireikhaan

10-10-2015, 16:23

If I didn't know any better I'd say you weren't surprised at Xiahou flipping town.
I mean, why would I? I was against the lynch from the outset because it was based on really suspect logic by a bunch of people who've never played with Xiahou before.

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:25

I mean, why would I? I was against the lynch from the outset because it was based on really suspect logic by a bunch of people who've never played with Xiahou before.

I was being sarcastic.

You're not exactly a shining beacon of hope and support are you. :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

10-10-2015, 16:25

Got all feedbacks in just under the wire. Any questions for me will be answered later today.

Csargo

10-10-2015, 16:27

If I didn't know any better I'd say you weren't surprised at Xiahou flipping town.

I'm not surprised, was pretty sure he was town. That doesn't really matter at this point though. Sarcasm doesn't work on the internets!

Seems like the murder by numbers scheme failed spectacularly.

seireikhaan

10-10-2015, 16:28

I was being sarcastic.

You're not exactly a shining beacon of hope and support are you. :laugh4:
I mean, the town leadership got me killed and then made a bunch of decisions I disagreed with. Idk what you expect.

Askthepizzaguy

10-10-2015, 16:32

Well, I know why one of the attacks didn't go through on Ishmael, because of a lack of CC'ed orders.

Vote: Ishmael

Need to have a chat with the Captain about the other one not showing.

Csargo

10-10-2015, 16:36

Why did you guys attack Ishmael?

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:38

Why did you guys attack Ishmael?

Because he's like 99% french.

Csargo

10-10-2015, 16:46

Why?

Visor

10-10-2015, 16:48

Why?

Are we going to do this song and dance again?

Or are you guys going to lynch the 100% non french guy again.

Its been explained numerous times, and just because it'll have to be again, I'll do it later today sometime.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

10-10-2015, 16:50

What I would like to know is who didn't show up from my group:
BSmith; Ituralde; Andres: What gives? I passed up an opportunity to make money for nothing it seems...

Gaius Scribonius Curio

10-10-2015, 16:50

Edit: NVM

Gaius Scribonius Curio

10-10-2015, 16:51

Edit: NVM

Csargo

10-10-2015, 17:01

Are we going to do this song and dance again?

Or are you guys going to lynch the 100% non french guy again.

Its been explained numerous times, and just because it'll have to be again, I'll do it later today sometime.

Why?

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:04

But why male models?

Askthepizzaguy

10-10-2015, 17:14

What I would like to know is who didn't show up from my group:
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273); @Ituralde (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=17117); @Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=17742): What gives? I passed up an opportunity to make money for nothing it seems...

Were the orders agreed upon and cc'ed to you, or were they included without their consent, or did they agree and never send?

And when I say agree, did they agree on the entire group's composition and the target, and then not send?

Borked night orders are a problem that results from lack of organization.

I organized precisely one action so far and it failed. Part of it was due to orders being cc'ed wrong.

But in every single group action game before this, failure was commonplace, so let's root out exactly what went wrong in each instance.

Time of agreement on the entire group composition and target, and whether there was communication or activity past that point, for each group, might be a fair place to begin.

Csargo

10-10-2015, 17:17

All I'm asking for is an exposition on why Ishmael, but all you seem capable of is giving percentages seemingly pulled out of thin air. Forgive me for being stupid and not seeing what you are. I dislike blindly following anyone's lead.

Vote:Choxorn

He was apart of the most failed vigs from that group. His vote of Xiahou I thought was suspect as well.

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:20

Conjured out of thin air?!

Did you read what happened last phase?

Have you seen his posts?

Zack

10-10-2015, 17:24

Who was in the brig?

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:30

Starts with I and ends in shmael

Zack

10-10-2015, 17:31

Oh look. Xiahou was town. Shock. I'm glad we went through that day phase.
Or you ever going to contribute anything? Or are you instead content to continually mock everyone and anyone who is actually trying?

Zack

10-10-2015, 17:31

Me, Sprig, autolycus, and Ishmael tried to kill Curio. GoldenKnight was asked to participate, but backed out late, citing some vague participation in another group. Everyone else all sent in CC'd orders, yet only three people were present in the update. This annoyingly means that the kill would have succeeded without Visor's intervention.

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:33

Who did you think I was going to block lol!

Zack

10-10-2015, 17:36

Who did you think I was going to block lol!
Why would you block him? He's consistently participate in vigkills and been accounted for at night.

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:37

Because he is my numero uno candidate for being French!

Csargo

10-10-2015, 17:40

Conjured out of thin air?!

Did you read what happened last phase?

Have you seen his posts?

Yeah I did.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

10-10-2015, 17:44

johnhughthom

10-10-2015, 17:44

Or are you instead content to continually mock everyone and anyone who is actually trying?

Probably a good strategy, when the "town leadership" is working so well together.

This annoyingly means that the kill would have succeeded without Visor's intervention.

Who did you think I was going to block lol!

Why would you block him? He's consistently participate in vigkills and been accounted for at night.

Because he is my numero uno candidate for being French!

Andres

10-10-2015, 17:45

Apologies, I didnt get to sending in orders. Teambuilding past week and a seminar today.

:shrug:

Visor

10-10-2015, 17:50

Apologies, I didnt get to sending in orders. Teambuilding past week and a seminar today.

:shrug:

Well at least someone is learning how to work in a team

Zack

10-10-2015, 18:06

Probably a good strategy, when the "town leadership" is working so well together.
Once again, I have never claimed to be part of any "town leadership" and my problems with them have been made quite public.

It's annoying because Visor gave me crap for killing Lissa when she was in the brig, yet he apparently did the same thing here with Ishmael.

Zack

10-10-2015, 18:08

Because he is my numero uno candidate for being French!
Are you sure? Because I didn't get a weird-ass message about possibly being recruited by Ishmael.

Zack

10-10-2015, 18:11

Conjured out of thin air?!
Yes, those percentages are conjured out of thin air.

Vote: Xiahou

Time to walk the plank Frenchie.

He's French.

He's French.

autolycus

10-10-2015, 18:25

Are you sure? Because I didn't get a weird-ass message about possibly being recruited by Ishmael.

Zack, does this mean you got a weird-ass message about possibly being recruited by someone else?

Gaius Scribonius Curio

10-10-2015, 18:27

The tone suggests he got such a message from Visorslash...

...any response, Visorslash?

BSmith

10-10-2015, 18:28

I was roleblocked. Andres never sent orders despite more than 36 hours notice and gaius didnt cc, but appears to show up. I am curious target for a block. Why would the blocker want to have the attack on vote: jht fail?

dcmort93

10-10-2015, 20:20

Personally I think visor is good. T2 scan came back as not susceptible and confirmed him throwing someone in the brig.

Choxorn

10-10-2015, 20:25

Vote:Choxorn[/B]

He was apart of the most failed vigs from that group. His vote of Xiahou I thought was suspect as well.

Funny story; I was told by Visorslash, along with 5 other people, to kill Autolycus last night. 2 people showed up. Going by my PM's, those two are me and El Barto, because nobody else CC'ed orders if they sent any at all (and Zack just admitted that he and Sprig, two of the other people asked to kill Auto, tried to kill Curio instead).

But you already knew that, didn't you? You were also told to kill Autolycus as well and Barto and I both CC'ed our orders to you.

So tell me, Csargo, where the hell were you last night?

This goes for you too, johnhughthom. I at least know that Zack and Sprig were accounted for, but you and Csargo are not and I don't know about El Barto, but I don't like it when I'm one of only 2 of 6 people who shows up to do something.

Montmorency

10-10-2015, 20:58

Ishmael or JHT - lynch one. The other needs to be vigged with extreme prejudice.

The only thing I'm afraid of is that last night's dramatic failure has allowed the scum to play their hand.

Csargo

10-10-2015, 21:09

Funny story; I was told by Visorslash, along with 5 other people, to kill Autolycus last night. 2 people showed up. Going by my PM's, those two are me and El Barto, because nobody else CC'ed orders if they sent any at all (and Zack just admitted that he and Sprig, two of the other people asked to kill Auto, tried to kill Curio instead).

But you already knew that, didn't you? You were also told to kill Autolycus as well and Barto and I both CC'ed our orders to you.

So tell me, Csargo, where the hell were you last night?

This goes for you too, johnhughthom. I at least know that Zack and Sprig were accounted for, but you and Csargo are not and I don't know about El Barto, but I don't like it when I'm one of only 2 of 6 people who shows up to do something.

I never agreed to go along with that. I haven't vigged or attempt to vig anyone all game and I'm not starting now. I don't like being told what to do.

That being said I was clearly visible in the write-up. I was the solo protector of jht. I figured I'd be visible without killing and wouldn't cause it to fail.

After looking into night actions for last night and the night Lissa was 'blocked' there are a few people who's actions aren't accounted for. Double A, Andres, Montmorency, and Goldenknight. Can anyone account for those people on those nights?

I can post specifics when I get back to my PC.

Montmorency

10-10-2015, 21:11

Andres already claimed 'no orders'.

As for the others, the attack on Ishmael... :bigcry:

Csargo

10-10-2015, 21:27

Andres already claimed 'no orders'.

As for the others, the attack on Ishmael... :bigcry:

Yeah I put Andres because I don't know what he did night 1 and ' no orders' can't be checked. Can Atpg, jht, and Gaius confirm that we only got 7 gold for night 1?

Unvote:, Vote: Goldenknight

autolycus

10-10-2015, 23:20

montmorency, we only saw two attackers on Ishmael. Which one of you three didn't send in orders?

Montmorency

10-10-2015, 23:35

Visorslash can tell you everything you need to know about the failure of the Ishmael vig. He has full knowledge of the circumstances. :brood:

johnhughthom

10-10-2015, 23:58

It's quite simple as to why I did not join your vig group, Choxxy. I pmed pizza and Visor last night to say I could join a vig group. Pizza replied to tell me not to worry about vigging and get a protection group, because I was a target. Fair enough.

Then Visor tries to put me in a vig group. Yeah, I'm doing that. :yes: In a six man group, clearly nothing to do with the fact he knows I'll not be counted when I die and one extra for safety. :laugh4:

Then pizza contacted me again asking if I was still interested in joining another vig group. That may have just been a joke.

As for what I did? Nothing. I sat in my bunk waiting to die.

Can Atpg, jht, and Gaius confirm that we only got 7 gold for night 1?

Yes. We were originally given the full ten, then GH sent another pm stating it was only seven due to an oversize group.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 00:10

Did nothing, or blocked BSmith?

We must Vote: JHT

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 00:34

By the way: Barto and Choxorn, why did you attack auto by yourselves, given that there were obviously never going to be any other people in the group.

It strikes me as very strange for Barto the 'Gold-Lover' to participate in an action for no reward either from players or from the host.

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 00:41

I've received a request to extend the day phase by about 6-12 hours. As a 6-8ish hour extension doesn't play havoc with my sleep cycle, I'll leave it up to you guys. :bow: Please give your feedback here.

-edit- though you can also give it in private if you feel more comfortable that way.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 01:30

I be no' buyin' yer story, vote:johnhughthom.

Vote:Choxorn

He was apart of the most failed vigs from that group. His vote of Xiahou I thought was suspect as well.

By the way: Barto and Choxorn, why did you attack auto by yourselves, given that there were obviously never going to be any other people in the group.

It strikes me as very strange for Barto the 'Gold-Lover' to participate in an action for no reward either from players or from the host.
I can confirm all o' Choxorn's story. he an' I war attackin' Auto on wee Visorslashie's orders, but it seems tha' some people were attackin' elsewhere. We was asked by wee Visorslashie ta do it sae we did it.

I've received a request to extend the day phase by about 6-12 hours. As a 6-8ish hour extension doesn't play havoc with my sleep cycle, I'll leave it up to you guys. :bow: Please give your feedback here.
It'd be better if ye had all phases end at the same time of day, Mister GM. Yarrr.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 01:35

Did you CC anyone else in your orders? Who did Visor suggest was going to join you?

We already have JHT suggesting that Visor contacted him to get him to join some vig with "6 people".

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 01:39

It'd be better if ye had all phases end at the same time of day, Mister GM. Yarrr.

My work schedule precludes me from doing such.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 01:41

Did you CC anyone else in your orders? Who did Visor suggest was going to join you?

We already have JHT suggesting that Visor contacted him to get him to join some vig with "6 people".
The group war six people: choxorn an' meself, plus them wha didna show up -Zack, Csargo, Sprig, an' johnhughthom.

My work schedule precludes me from doing such.
Would it help if we gots ye fired? Prob'ly I can gets quite the doubloons fram people fer tha'.

Csargo

10-11-2015, 01:43

The group war six people: choxorn an' meself, plus them wha didna show up -Zack, Csargo, Sprig, an' johnhughthom.

Would it help if we gots ye fired? Prob'ly I can gets quite the doubloons fram people fer tha'.

Can confirm.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 01:47

Can confirm.
Gewd, but I ain't destroyin' GH's workplace until I sees tha' ye's sent in a money order fer tha'.

Csargo

10-11-2015, 01:50

Gewd, but I ain't destroyin' GH's workplace until I sees tha' ye's sent in a money order fer tha'.

I'll give you all me treasure if you get GH fired. That be a promise.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 02:01

a) Ye's no' sent in anythin' in the way o money orders.
b) How be ye transferin' tha', ten doubloons a night? We'd need quite the lang game fer tha' ta happen, an' I reckons it cannae last tha' lang.

Csargo

10-11-2015, 02:11

a) Ye's no' sent in anythin' in the way o money orders.
b) How be ye transferin' tha', ten doubloons a night? We'd need quite the lang game fer tha' ta happen, an' I reckons it cannae last tha' lang.

We'll find a way to make it work.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 02:48

Please, be elaboratin' on tha'.

Golden1Knight

10-11-2015, 03:11

vote:johnhughthom

Last night I was a member of one of the vig groups, askthepizzaguy may confirm this.

Zack

10-11-2015, 03:48

Zack, does this mean you got a weird-ass message about possibly being recruited by someone else?
Yes. Visorslash sent me a message last night that said:

if you started town and still are, i'd be highly wary of being recruited by < person who isn't Ishmael >
He refused to elaborate on it when I asked wtf he was talking about. It's not someone he's suspected at all in thread, so I find the whole thing really odd. Why he mentioned that person, and why he would even send that message at all.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 03:58

And why be ye no' sayin' wham Visorslash claimed would be recruitin' ye?

Visor

10-11-2015, 03:59

yeah i've been meaning to reply to that stuff but im lazy

gimme an hour or so

Zack

10-11-2015, 04:00

And why be ye no' sayin' wham Visorslash claimed would be recruitin' ye?
Did you even read the post you're replying to?

He refused to elaborate on it when I asked wtf he was talking about.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:02

its not deliberate not elaboration

just bah

gimme an hour or so to summon up the care :P

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:05

Visor, it's time you open up to the public about the details of the Ishmael vig.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:08

Hilariously, Double A managed to CC everyone BUT general hankerchief.

I don't know what happened with the rest of it.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:09

My guess is someone sabotaged or decided they had better things to do with the vig.

Besides AA of course.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:11

Were you online at any point in the 9 hours between Double A's message and the end of the round? Pizza obviously was. Was Golden Knight?

If so, it looks as though you failed to check with the vig-group members to see if they were available to change their orders.

If so, then you missed out on an opportunity to seal the vig on Ishmael to instead "block" him.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:12

Did you even read the post you're replying to?
Ye posted:

if you started town and still are, i'd be highly wary of being recruited by < person who isn't Ishmael >
So wha be this leetle person ye be speakin' of?

Hilariously, Double A managed to CC everyone BUT general hankerchief.

I don't know what happened with the rest of it.
:stare:

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:13

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:13

My guess is someone sabotaged or decided they had better things to do with the vig.

Besides AA of course.

Alright, this is a lie.

Here is what Pizza sent me just before the round ended:

Monty, I want to bring you in on something, because you demonstrated that you're trustworthy last night by attacking Ishmael.

I know that you and Golden1 sent in your orders. Neither of you will be blamed for the failure to cap Ishmael.

It was me and Double A, although Double A not sending in the order was accidental on his part, he meant to send it in.

The result last night was supposed to be 3 attackers on Ishmael, with one person pulling the attack (me), and that way, Ishmael would survive the night.

Why is that a townie's action, you might ask. Yeah, I know. But I wouldn't be clearing two of you and also explaining that it was me who pulled the action unless I had another reason.

It needs to stay between you, me, visor, and Double A. I mean, Golden1 is probably good too, but the fewer folks in on it, the better.

We're not French, alright? This is being done for a reason. And I wouldn't be telling you this and admitting I pulled the attack on Ishmael when I could blame you or Golden for the missing orders.

Sit on this information today. Don't share it. Can I count on you to do that?

You have questions. Go ahead and ask them, just promise me this stays in-house.

You knew about this. And anyway, what the heck was Pizza doing if he dropped off the lynch?!

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:13

I crossed em post wi' Montmorency's, sae I be havin' ta add:
Why, oh, why, if ye wanted Ishmael deaded so badly, didn't ye send twa groups of four instead o' dividin' us inta the bound-to-fail group ye sent ta kill Autolycus?

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:14

The vig, sorry.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:16

[10/10/2015 10:33:24 AM] No Lynch: hello
[10/10/2015 3:42:36 PM] Double a: yo
[10/10/2015 3:43:22 PM] No Lynch: you sent in orders?
[10/10/2015 3:43:45 PM] Double a: NOPE I've been doing stuff until 5 minutes ago
[10/10/2015 3:44:04 PM] No Lynch: kk
[10/10/2015 3:44:06 PM] Double a: -IRL stuff-
[10/10/2015 3:44:13 PM] No Lynch: just make sure you send in ya orders at some point
[10/10/2015 3:44:20 PM] No Lynch: are they the same person?
[10/10/2015 3:44:21 PM] No Lynch: lol

[10/10/2015 3:45:52 PM] No Lynch: anyway go have some fun
[10/10/2015 3:45:55 PM] No Lynch: just send in the orders lol

[1:40:06 AM] No Lynch: mate
[1:52:22 AM] Double a: yeah
[1:52:54 AM] No Lynch: ya :daisy:ed up
[1:53:08 AM] No Lynch: but :daisy: me if it wasn't hilarious
[1:53:56 AM] Double a: god I really pissed myself off
[1:54:32 AM] No Lynch: its pretty :daisy:in funny man
[1:54:38 AM] No Lynch: you Cced everyone BUT gh
[1:54:44 AM] Double a: yeah

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:17

Extremely solid evidence of, uh, what exactly?

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:18

:daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::d aisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::dai sy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy::daisy ::daisy::daisy::daisy:

MONTY

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:19

Vote: Mutiny

You are called to account. I am sick of this nonsense.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:21

The whole point of the plan was to get ATPG into Ishmaels good graces (and try to nail a potential extra scum )who has been digging around trying to find if people are trying to vig him and bribe protection groups on himself.

EXCEPT YOU JUST RUINED IT BY POSTING IT IN THE THREAD

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:21

Seriously, wha' a gobshite o' a cap'n we be havin'… wheneiver he be claimin' ‘RL’ it be that he be playin' videogames.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:22

OH I RUINED IT BECAUSE JUST HAVING HIM :daisy: VIGGED WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN O WAIT

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:22

Getting into his good graces? Seriously?

Unbelievable horsebite.

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 04:23

Keep cool, people.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:27

[10/9/2015 10:20:19 PM] No Lynch: no
[10/9/2015 10:20:26 PM] No Lynch: here's what I think
[10/9/2015 10:20:34 PM] No Lynch: the vig on ishmael fails.
[10/9/2015 10:21:00 PM] No Lynch: you lynch him tomorrow like everyone else
[10/9/2015 10:21:08 PM] No Lynch: because well its whats expected
[10/9/2015 10:21:12 PM] No Lynch: you tell ishmael that day
[10/9/2015 10:21:16 PM] Askthepizzaguy: yeah true
[10/9/2015 10:21:20 PM] No Lynch: hey, visor is being a **** in private
[10/9/2015 10:21:34 PM] No Lynch: and you could perhaps push that angle
[10/9/2015 10:21:43 PM] No Lynch: try and worm some names out of him
[10/9/2015 10:21:49 PM] No Lynch: say i'm interrogating you
[10/9/2015 10:22:03 PM] No Lynch: basically you want someone to contact after ishmael dies
[10/9/2015 10:22:11 PM] No Lynch: thats all you gotta get
[10/9/2015 10:22:19 PM] Askthepizzaguy: yeah
[10/9/2015 10:22:31 PM] No Lynch: ishamel doesn;t die in the vig
[10/9/2015 10:22:35 PM] No Lynch: you tell him you sabotaged it
[10/9/2015 10:22:47 PM] No Lynch: tell him you want some gold
[10/9/2015 10:22:59 PM] No Lynch: and that you want to keep working with the french against me
[10/9/2015 10:23:08 PM] Askthepizzaguy: definitely
[10/9/2015 10:23:31 PM] No Lynch: you want to see me SPECIFICALLY
[10/9/2015 10:23:35 PM] No Lynch: mutinied
[10/9/2015 10:23:39 PM] No Lynch: as revenge
[10/9/2015 10:23:50 PM] No Lynch: hows that
[10/9/2015 10:24:13 PM] Askthepizzaguy: run that by me, how do you die in a mutiny?
[10/9/2015 10:24:18 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Just, lynched you mean?
[10/9/2015 10:24:24 PM] No Lynch: lynched is fine i guess
[10/9/2015 10:24:40 PM] No Lynch: but mutinying aa and putting me in to mutiny me
[10/9/2015 10:24:43 PM] No Lynch: now thats cold
[10/9/2015 10:24:52 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Sounds Pizzonian
[10/9/2015 10:24:56 PM] Askthepizzaguy: I think that would flu
[10/9/2015 10:24:58 PM] Askthepizzaguy: fly*
[10/9/2015 10:24:59 PM] No Lynch: thats someone you can trust to do dirty deads
[10/9/2015 10:25:22 PM] Askthepizzaguy: Oh
[10/9/2015 10:25:24 PM] No Lynch: say you need to know who to 'suggest' the vigs target
[10/9/2015 10:25:35 PM] Askthepizzaguy: yes....
[10/9/2015 10:25:35 PM] No Lynch: so they can dodge french if they're in teh firing line
[10/9/2015 10:25:45 PM] Askthepizzaguy: that's actionable info even if they don't spill their own names
[10/9/2015 10:25:46 PM] Askthepizzaguy: that's good
[10/9/2015 10:25:54 PM] No Lynch: yeah that gives us non french
[10/9/2015 10:25:58 PM] Askthepizzaguy: hahahah
[10/9/2015 10:25:59 PM] No Lynch: which is good enough

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:28

Whar be people procurin' all them flowers fram? We be in the middle o' the sea, an' th' Netherlands be in th' other hemisphere.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:29

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:29

Whar be people procurin' all them flowers fram? We be in the middle o' the sea, an' th' Netherlands be in th' other hemisphere.

Because I'm not allowed to swear! :laugh4:

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:30

If ye cannae swear, make promises!

autolycus

10-11-2015, 04:33

I'll vote:johnhughthom for the moment, since he was free and the block on Bsmith is suspicious, but I think we need some better answers from Visor, especially on the "recruiting" message. The "don't vig Ishmael" plan seems stupid, but I buy it. Also, Atpg, what did you do instead?

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:38

FWIW - I initially didn't agree with the plan - but I've not had a lot of fun since the Xiahou day - so I wanted to go for it.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:39

Seeriously, wee Visorslashie, why be ye not tellin' aboot this supposed converter wha isn't Ishmael an' still apparently be both alive an' ta be reckoned with?

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:41

What bloody converter?

I said to Zack be wary of being converted by Monty if he was town because Ishmael and Monty would generally tend to partner up if they were mafia and some of the things said to zack felt like he was going to be converted.

I dunno, I sent it at like 2am in the morning, probably wasn't the wisest decision. :laugh4:

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:42

Ishmael and Monty would generally tend to partner up if they were mafia

You would know this despite my never in history having been scum with Ishmael? :inquisitive:

Zack

10-11-2015, 04:44

This is the dumbest thing I've heard all game, and we've heard a lot so far.
Yeah I don't get it. Like Ishmael was going to say "so I'm French and these are the names of all my partners" ??

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:45

You would know this despite my never in history having been scum with Ishmael? :inquisitive:

You guys like to work together, or at least that is my impression.

Regardless, aa might be ineffective but he's still town and mutiny of a town member at this stage of the game is pointless.

Pot calling the kettle black here, but myself, zack and monty all need to tone it down a notch in terms of being antagonistic here.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:45

There's something strange about how Visor views conversion.

So he sent this message to several people, one of them being Zack.

Aside from the fact that Visor wouldn't have any information on any susceptibility scans done by the Mafia, what exactly would "warning" people do?

I'm pretty sure there is no 'Guard against conversion' night-action.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:46

An' oot it comes -ye be claimin' tha' Montmorency be th' other French. Why did ye no' claim this fram the beginnin', an hour ago, an' spare us all this nonsense? An' it be almost the end o' me watch, so toodles tae ye, lad.

I be havin' ta agree wiv Montmorency an' Zack -ye seem ta be makin' all this noise ta cover yer own big policy hole.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:46

Yeah I don't get it. Like Ishmael was going to say "so I'm French and these are the names of all my partners" ??

No, rather Ishmael would give him someone to contact - or perhaps an anonymous qt which we could narrow down.

its a stupid plan, whatever.

I just wanted to have some goddamn fun.

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:47

i sent the message to zack only

the implication is he should leave the ship

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:47

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:48

*sighs* Again wi' the postin' crosswise.

*swigs more rum*

This all be mighty strange, but at th' moment me head's too full o' grog so I's havin' a lie-down. Yet, one las' thin': wha' be this that ye call Mafia? Mafia be Italians -we be huntin' fer Frenchmen.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:49

i sent the message to zack only

the implication is he should leave the ship
Wha'?

Visor

10-11-2015, 04:51

GeneralHankerchief

Can I resign from the QM position if I wanted to, or do I have to be released by AA?

Zack

10-11-2015, 04:51

No, rather Ishmael would give him someone to contact - or perhaps an anonymous qt which we could narrow down.

its a stupid plan, whatever.

I just wanted to have some goddamn fun.
Personally I find the "I wanted to have fun" excuse contrived.

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 04:52

GeneralHankerchief

Can I resign from the QM position if I wanted to, or do I have to be released by AA?

You can resign.

El Barto

10-11-2015, 04:52

Ye can always play videogames when ye wants fun -the captain does it.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 04:57

i sent the message to zack only

the implication is he should leave the ship

Visor, the meta-implication is then that you just wanted Zack out of your way.

That's like, friggin Scooby-Doo innuendo right here.

I don't just want you to resign, I want the Captain to resign.

Kagemusha

10-11-2015, 06:50

:pop2:

Zack

10-11-2015, 07:10

Personally I think visor is good. T2 scan came back as not susceptible and confirmed him throwing someone in the brig.
The french are obviously not susceptible and he throws someone in the brig every night. Hardly clearing.

Zack

10-11-2015, 07:10

Since officers are not susceptible to conversion, could that be affecting the scan?

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 07:14

Since officers are not susceptible to conversion, could that be affecting the scan?

If a First Mate (or a scum) scans an officer for susceptibility, he'll receive that officer's susceptibility before they took office - i.e. it won't automatically read "not susceptible".

GeneralHankerchief

10-11-2015, 07:26

Going to bed soon/now, I'll make a decision about a phase extension when I wake up. If you haven't weighed in yet, feel free to do so in public or in private.

Ishmael

10-11-2015, 07:39

So there's been some odd stuff in the past couple of pages, most notably the underpants gnome style plan apparently cooked up between Visorslash and ATPG. To clarify; yes, I was contacted by ATPG last night. Yes, I accepted his offer to pay him 6 gold in order to pull out of a vig attempt against me. No, I did not then cackle maniacally and reveal that I am French and that my teammates are, of course, Montmorency and Visorslash.

Moving on to something rather less silly, BSmith claims to have been roleblocked last night. He has come off as very townie both in public and in private as well as having apparently scanned as insusceptible to conversion, so I see no reason to doubt him. Retroactively this makes it very likely to my mind that Lissa was telling the truth about being blocked N1, which would make spaceman almost certainly scum. That puts jht in a rather interesting position, especially since his whereabouts last night is unverifiable.

vote: johnhughthom

I also feel like Csargo is on to something by cross-referencing who was unaccounted for on both the nights in question, but that can wait for another day.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 07:53

Also, another thing Visor neglected to tell us, even after Flax was killed:

Flax was apparently a 3rd-party that could only meet its personal role-victory conditions if Flax became the Captain, became an officer, or convinced the Captain to sail to another port (not Nassau), resulting in a win for only himself and the Captain (?).

Now, that's already weird enough, but please recall that Visor cared so much about Flax that he was willing to spend 8 gold per vote-change to save him.

Weirder still is this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053662248&viewfull=1#post2053662248) from early in the day, before there was any threat to Flax:

Why would you suggest auto [for the lynch] and not flax?
Because I have plans for flaxy. Big plans.

WTF? That sounds pretty ominous regarding a 3rd-party who apparently has no special abilities, no special merit as a player or in the larger game-situation, and clearly anti-town VC. At the time, I thought nothing of the post, as I figured Visor was planning to vig or block Flax that night, but in retrospect we see that this comment was made with the subtext of supporting Flax.

So what gives? After everything else, that is really just too much to bear.

Double A and the officers need to step down. They need to resign publicly, or else we shall have to oust them with a mutiny.

Every player who wants to see this trio disenfranchised, or who at the very least eagerly waits for our Captain, dear Captain, to make some remarks on the situation, I urge you now to call on GH to extend the day.

:bow:

Visor

10-11-2015, 07:59

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:05

Hey all,

Autolycus left me with a bunch of PMs, I am highly confused (and plastered from a little shindig I hosted tonight), who exactly is our group. Please chime in if you will take part in our group. (As I understood it Autolycus, Double A and I).

Yarr and stuff. Hope to hear from you soon.

F
Well Double A is the quartermaster so you're lacking numbers for a group

but we need numbers, so you and auto are free to join club lurker kill if you want

I sent a message to Autolycus to see if he's okay with that. Going to bed now, but I am nominally in. Just waiting for a reply.

Hi,

I've seen there is a certain cloud of suspicion around me and that I might die soon. As such I wish to reveal my role, not in the hopes of being saved, but for your information.

I am not a good old regular Able Seaman, but a Dutch Trader. Gold has no relevance to my victory. I win alone if I am the captain and change course to St Maarten or if I am appointed an officer post and the captain changes course, we both win. I highly doubt this will happen. Furthermore, I have some measure of protection against night attacks and I can kill once, which I haven't used yet.
Is your victory compatible with everyone else?

I win either alone or with the captain. Though I cannot force my victory condition unless I am captain.
So you cannot win with the town? Sad days.

Indeed.
Any thoughts on using your kill?

I doubt you're alone given your objective but still.

I am very much alone, to my the best of my knowledge. A note on my kill, it is of the standard sort, equal to a vig group and so very much blockable. The sole advantage is the solo part.

Here is the extent of my conversations with Flax FWIW.

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:06

Now, I foresee people crying and whinging about me not revealing him, but you can all walk off the plank.

Never throw away a potential ally.

And some of you would know I've worked with third parties before and am highly against killing them.

Fact is, he had 0% chance of winning and I felt he could be of use.

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:07

Oh you want the captaincy/officers to resign now do you?

And fill them with unscanned people?

After spending hours complaining about us not being scanned?

Christ.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:09

Oh bugger off Monty.

You and the rest of the Org with your stupid lynch all third party policy.

You'd have lynched him straight out. He had 0% chance of winning - he even recognised that. You'd lynch him and pat yourselves on the back for lynching someone who was 100% non French.

Bull. You know how much fondness I carry for third parties. My post had nothing to do with the simple 3rd-party nature of Flax, but rather the details of his role and your relation towards him.

Unbelievable.

As your own post shows, he "cannot win with town", and he had a "one-time" NK.

And if you were smart, you would have revealed everything about him at the beginning of the day, along with your plans for him, just to see how people would vote in response to that information. :wall:

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:10

After spending hours complaining about us not being scanned?

Show me one post of mine.

Andres

10-11-2015, 08:12

vote: Goldenknight

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:13

Bull. You know how much fondness I carry for third parties. My post had nothing to do with the simple 3rd-party nature of Flax, but rather the details of his role and your relation towards him.

Unbelievable.

As your own post shows, he "cannot win with town", and he had a "one-time" NK.

And if you were smart, you would have revealed everything about him at the beginning of the day, along with your plans for him, just to see how people would vote in response to that information. :wall:

No I bloody well wouldn't have!!

I GOT :daisy:ING LYNCHED D1 AFTER CLAIMING SURVIVOR TWO GAMES AGO ON HERE. IN THE FIRST HOUR AFTER THE GAME BEGAN. WHY THE :daisy: WOULD I REVEAL HIM.

I know what you're all like. You'd have sat back posted your obligatory one post per day voted Flax and patted yourself on the back.

Then when you all lose you'd say oh how come I didn't see this coming. And nothing bloody changes.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:15

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:18

Yes, we'd lose because the one-time 3rd-party NK is so much more valuable than the information gained by watching people vote and studying their reasoning when presented with a one-time 3rd-party NK. :rolleyes:

Edit: Goddamit Andres, why can't you be dead?

LOL

You've played on the Org. Every single bloody one of them would vote for Flax. There was nothing to be gained.

Third party with a kill? Off he goes.

Andres

10-11-2015, 08:19

vote:johnhughthom

Last night I was a member of one of the vig groups, askthepizzaguy may confirm this.
And what does being a member of a group prove? That you're concerned about looking innocent?

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:23

Skype logs - dc and AA can back this up

[10/9/2015 11:12:41 AM] No Lynch: note?
[10/9/2015 11:12:52 AM] No Lynch: well, i'm QM, you're first mate and AA is captain
[10/9/2015 11:12:54 AM] No Lynch: for starters
[10/9/2015 11:12:57 AM] Dc: Arrrrgh!
[10/9/2015 11:12:59 AM] No Lynch: flax is third party btw
[10/9/2015 11:13:20 AM] Dc: I was referring to your post
[10/9/2015 11:13:21 AM] No Lynch: i'm not claiming it in thread because he'll get lynched 100% of the time
[10/9/2015 11:13:30 AM] Dc: Said something about a note or something
[10/9/2015 11:13:49 AM] No Lynch: no idea mate
[10/9/2015 11:14:02 AM] Dc: I can agree with that. I was tempted to vote Ishmael as soon as I saw that post
[10/9/2015 11:14:21 AM] No Lynch: good to hear
[10/9/2015 11:14:40 AM] No Lynch: i've been on the recieving end of a third party auto lynch recently on the org
[10/9/2015 11:14:53 AM] No Lynch: so ive no desire to see it happen so quickly again
[10/9/2015 11:16:54 AM] No Lynch: for reference - hes claimed dutch trader
[10/9/2015 11:17:00 AM] No Lynch: can only win as captain or with the captain
[10/9/2015 11:17:10 AM] No Lynch: has an innate resistance to nightkills
[10/9/2015 11:17:13 AM] No Lynch: can solo kill once
[10/9/2015 11:17:24 AM] No Lynch: doubt flax is making it up given the way he has played this game
[10/9/2015 11:17:40 AM] No Lynch: he also never makes it to a captaincy position or an officer position
[10/9/2015 11:18:07 AM] No Lynch: so as long as we keep him at arms length we have someone who we know is not french to work with
[10/9/2015 11:18:39 AM] Dc: So he's not really a threat. I can scan him tonight if you really want to confirm
[10/9/2015 11:18:52 AM] Dc: What's the case against ishmael?
[10/9/2015 11:18:56 AM] No Lynch: nah its a waste honestly
[10/9/2015 11:19:11 AM] No Lynch: might as well finish scanning sprig or choxorn tonight
[10/9/2015 11:19:28 AM] No Lynch: and get started on scanning me to appeal to the faceless french who are just interested in wasting a scan
[10/9/2015 11:19:38 AM] No Lynch: case against ishmael is basically similar to what ive laid in thread
[10/9/2015 11:19:43 AM] No Lynch: i'm pretty sure hes french
[10/9/2015 11:19:49 AM] No Lynch: at least compared to flax
[10/9/2015 11:26:35 AM] No Lynch: yknow i thought me zack had a good thing initially
[10/9/2015 11:26:41 AM] No Lynch: much better than after ps2
[10/9/2015 11:27:15 AM] GH: to be fair that's not much of a bar to clear
[10/9/2015 11:27:49 AM] No Lynch: thats true

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:23

LOL

You've played on the Org. Every single bloody one of them would vote for Flax. There was nothing to be gained.

Third party with a kill? Off he goes.

Nonsense. Zack would have immediately understood your position, as would I, and Pizza. I highly doubt Flax would have got more votes than he ended with if you had just revealed what you had when Zack prompted you.

And what does being a member of a group prove? That you're concerned about looking innocent?

You - tonight.

Andres

10-11-2015, 08:23

Montmorency why are you asking me in private about my night activities? And threatening me if I don't answer? I'm not that easily intimidated.

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:25

Nonsense. Zack would have immediately understood your position, as would I, and Pizza. I highly doubt Flax would have got more votes than he ended with if you had just revealed what you had when Zack prompted you.

You - tonight.

Zack? He hates me. He'd discredit whatever I said and continue lynching Flax.

Whatever. We can chalk this up to mistake number 50 I've made this game.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:29

Zack? He hates me. He'd discredit whatever I said and continue lynching Flax.

Whatever. We can chalk this up to mistake number 50 I've made this game.

If he hates you, it is because of what you did last day-phase.

And for the record, your comparison with the other game is a little off for three big reasons:

1. It was an 11-player game.
2. You claimed first-thing on D1.
3. You were lynched by 4 players.

why are you asking me in private about my night activities? And threatening me if I don't answer? I'm not that easily intimidated.

Eh? I have only ever threatened you in public. Stop fluffing around.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 08:33

Ituralde

You've been lurking all day, get in here.

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:35

Ituralde

You've been lurking all day, get in here.

He still hasn't given a hard read on me either. :laugh4:

Ituralde

10-11-2015, 08:49

Me, I still be drunk as .. as something. Dont expect me to sober up until tomorrow.

It may look like I be hearin everything, but it be too mich talk for the state I'm in.

Visor

10-11-2015, 08:52

Drunk as a Pirate? :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

10-11-2015, 08:58

El Oh El.

I can confirm that I pulled my vig action off of Ishmael deliberately.

I'm the one who set up the vig in the first place. I instead stole gold from the captain and gained some gold from Ishmael for bribing me to not vig him.

I neither confirm nor deny that I did it for the lulz / to infiltrate the French by getting them to suggest vig targets, which we would then wisely assume were probably townies, and/or have a French person contact me after Ishmael's death by lynch today and get the French outed via that route.

Now, before someone takes a big ole crap all over that idea, suck on sour grapes. It was worth a shot.

I spared Ishmael, the guy who was being brigged, so he would die today, and make me look like I was helping the French, so I could then turn around and piss in their stabbed backs.

That was the plan, I concocted it, I executed it, and I told Monty about it today when Double A borked his orders. It was supposed to only have 1 missing person in it.

With 2, that then implicates the Captain who was fully briefed on the plan, he has zero motive to pull his order, and didn't have to be one of the people in the vig group.

Used the Captain so it wouldn't waste too much of town's resources, allowing other vigs to succeed.

Monty and Golden1 are both visible in last night's attack on Ishmael which they would have assumed was to succeed otherwise.

That's the long and the short of it.

I accept full responsibility. I didn't have to. I could have blamed one of the guys I recruited, and suggested they were guilty and they pulled the order.

I was never going to do anything here except back up Double A, Monty, and Golden. I get Double A's mistake, it's sort of really in character for him.

Ishmael is French, you want to lynch him, do so.

I was fishing for French + French, not just 1 French. It was worth a shot and risks almost nothing. He's alive but brigged, so it makes zero difference.

Askthepizzaguy

10-11-2015, 09:00

If you would like to see the PM logs which led me to conclude that this idea was worth it, he's essentially a confessed scumbag in those PMs, without saying it explicitly.

Visor

10-11-2015, 09:04

Just post em.

Montmorency

10-11-2015, 09:07

Pizza, why would you need to "steal gold in order to appear as though Ishmael bribed you not to vig him", when you say that Ishmael was already bribing you anyway?

Ishmael will get his due, but y'all inexcusable.

...

Another reason to fear Andres' continued presence: his voting record.

On D3, he voted me - fair enough.

On D4, he voted Visor solo - :inquisitive:

On D5 (yesterday), he voted Golden with Ituralde - ~:confused:

Today, he is voting Golden again, and again with no reasoning.

Whatever the case with the leadership, this guy needs to be vernichten like an unattended baby carriage at the Eiffel Tower.

Askthepizzaguy

10-11-2015, 09:13

Pizza, why would you need to "steal gold in order to appear as though Ishmael bribed you not to vig him", when you say that Ishmael was already bribing you anyway?

Not being part of that vig meant I wanted a third person to be able to verify my whereabouts.

So far, I've been able to have Ituralde, NotJimRV, and now the Captain all be able to verify that I know how much was stolen from them.

I'm leaving a pattern of thefts all over the ship, never hitting the same place twice.

If I'm not in a group, this is pretty strong evidence, the strongest kind that doesn't appear in a writeup, of where I am.

I could have joined another vig group or protect group, but, that would kind of give away the con.

Why would I join two groups?

It wouldn't persuade any French person that I had actually sabotaged the one group for them if they got wind of it.