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Zack questioned, you just jumped on.
Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.
I don't find Winston scummy or unscummy yet. Nothings really there yet.
Not a big fan of DP's "Winston is town, obvs!" when it clearly is not Obvs.
Argh.
vote: Al Sipsclar
I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.
Visor says he likes this vote.
I like the reasoning, but I don't like the timing. Feels like trying to disengage from a dangerous situation.
Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.
Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?
Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?
I think you're confusing jumping with commenting and questioning.
Length of time matters IMO because a reaction within a discussion, particularly at this shallow stage of the game, indicates less thought being put into the vote and more of a reaction. Scum is more likely to think about what they do and less likely to simply react or switch.
Either way though I haven't decided about Renata (fairly torn actually), but your aggressiveness is concerning.
Hi everyone! Reading up.
Vote: BSmith
I don't see what about this warrants all the votes. I assumed he was just referring to reading the rules and shit. Who cares.
Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?
Besides I know you, Getting more of a reaction from you means more for my reads than getting a reaction from someone i don't know well enough yet.
I think you're confusing jumping with commenting and questioning.
Length of time matters IMO because a reaction within a discussion, particularly at this shallow stage of the game, indicates less thought being put into the vote and more of a reaction. Scum is more likely to think about what they do and less likely to simply react or switch.
Either way though I haven't decided about Renata (fairly torn actually), but your aggressiveness is concerning.
What about my aggressiveness do you find concerning? I don't think I am normally particularly aggressive as either alignment, so not sure why you think that it is AI.
Besides I know you, Getting more of a reaction from you means more for my reads than getting a reaction from someone i don't know well enough yet.
This makes sense, I should have realised. Sorry for miscategorising your post.
As a sidenote, I'm going to say there's a 100% chance at least one wolf took the lynchproof spell. And i expect gh to cry when it inevitably happens.
I didn't know there was a lynchproof spell, it wasn't among my options.
Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.
I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.
Vote: Dp101
:laugh4:
Brady's got rings for all his fingers now...
Well, only for one hand, he can still get more for his other hand, can't he (oh dear god, please no)
What about my aggressiveness do you find concerning? I don't think I am normally particularly aggressive as either alignment, so not sure why you think that it is AI.
I would say that coming at me with ,pointely accusatory questions and not answering my questions or responding to my comments is decidedly aggressively defensive.
I confess that your following comment:
This makes sense, I should have realised. Sorry for miscategorising your post.
somewhat ameliorates my view on you, but you still haven't really responded to my original question.
I didn't know there was a lynchproof spell, it wasn't among my options.
I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.
Vote: Dp101
Well, only for one hand, he can still get more for his other hand, can't he (oh dear god, please no)
If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.
I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.
Vote: Dp101
I agree you about disliking DP's vote. I also think though that it could also be as scum defending someone who is town and buddying up. It ties into DP's decision that Winston is obvtown, which again I don't think is obvious. In either case, I find his reactions to be suspicious too.
DP101
If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.
Crossposted with you about this exact reasoning. Interesting.
If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.
Well, first, like Lewwyn said, you could also be a scumbuddy defending a townie for buddying points and townpoints if Winston flips town. I also think you look scummier than Winston right now, and I think that you wolf/Winston town is more likely than you town/Winston wolf.
In any case, if you're both scum, why does it matter which one of you I decide to vote for? I need to lynch both of you, and he only had one vote on him and was getting lots more attention than you.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 11:07
As a sidenote, I'm going to say there's a 100% chance at least one wolf took the lynchproof spell. And i expect gh to cry when it inevitably happens.
You lie. No such thing.
Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?
Better to say: Winston? More like Winsnot. ohhhh
You're looking at the surface layer, trying to find reasons to call me scummy.
I was inclined to favor your position, but this post sounds a lot like Pizza-style bamboozling. I'll chalk it up to your philosophical experimentation.
Right now I'm working through whether a wolf Winston would have openly called me tense or would have been running to scum chat yelling about me being an obvious power role instead, sort of thing.
We're all power roles. Some of me more so than others.
I see my attempts not to get universally town read on day one for a change are going swimmingly. The usual stray votes notwithstanding.
Stray votes? So do you expect not to be townread, or the opposite? I certainly stand by my non-townread of you, for one.
This is bang on but for what it's worth Arakhor is a hedge-y kind of guy regardless of alignment.
Are you a hedgy-on-Arakhor kind of guy regardless of alignment?
For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?
That's always the question, isn't it?
Visor-Renata still sounds good. DP probably wouldn't take the risk of putting her into the lead as partner.
I don't see what about this warrants all the votes. I assumed he was just referring to reading the rules and shit. Who cares.
Someone enterprising should cross-check this sentiment against the last game and its low-poster narratives.
Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.
Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.
So the person who doesn't list their powers is a vig?
Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.
I woke up this morning thinking I was probably being too easy on Dp, and I would like to see this answered.
Stray votes? So do you expect not to be townread, or the opposite? I certainly stand by my non-townread of you, for one.
I came into this game with the deliberate decision before I ever saw my role PM to stomp all over my town personality in one specific way I noticed I had problems with in my scum game on MU last week. And then I see myself getting rousing town reads from two of the more influential players in the game anyway, and it's not likely both of them are scum trying to pocket me. So go figure.
As for stray votes day one, I get them every single game. I've literally never not. Yet everyone seems to believe I obvtown myself within ten seconds whenever I am town, and hold it against me when I don't. See Dp this game, if he's not scum looking for a pockety way to jump on the biggest bandwagon. I need that to stop.
Are you a hedgy-on-Arakhor kind of guy regardless of alignment?
Good question; what is your actual read of Snerk?
Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.
This is rolefishing and you should feel bad.
I came into this game with the deliberate decision before I ever saw my role PM to stomp all over my town personality in one specific way I noticed I had problems with in my scum game on MU last week. And then I see myself getting rousing town reads from two of the more influential players in the game anyway, and it's not likely both of them are scum trying to pocket me. So go figure.
As for stray votes day one, I get them every single game. I've literally never not. Yet everyone seems to believe I obvtown myself within ten seconds whenever I am town, and hold it against me when I don't. See Dp this game, if he's not scum looking for a pockety way to jump on the biggest bandwagon. I need that to stop.
Good question; what is your actual read of Snerk?
This is rolefishing and you should feel bad.
What were the problems you noticed in the scum game?
Difficulty in posting as fluently and freely as I do when I am town. I shortened my posts at the beginning of this game and stopped saying as much of what was on my mind as I usually do.
Difficulty in posting as fluently and freely as I do when I am town. I shortened my posts at the beginning of this game and stopped saying as much of what was on my mind as I usually do.
Did you find it was a deliberate shortening, cutting of your thoughts? Or was it more that it was harder to have those longer, more detailed thoughts?
I should never post when I'm short on sleep. This isn't going to help me in this game and it's not going to help me in future ones either.
I'm not talking about it anymore.
Visor, if you're still here give me a read on Monty. He apparently thinks we have w/w equity.
Visor, if you're still here give me a read on Monty. He apparently thinks we have w/w equity.
I don't have one.
Three people are voting me right now: Montmorency, Snerk, and Dp101. I think the odds one of them is scum are pretty high.
Visor, if you're still here give me a read on Monty. He apparently thinks we have w/w equity.
Slightly scummy on post basis, but slightly towny on meta basis.
Explain what you mean by that.
That's helpful.
That's what I'm here for. :laugh4:
If I see something that stands out either way I'll mention it.
Why are you reading atheotes town?
Well, first, like Lewwyn said, you could also be a scumbuddy defending a townie for buddying points and townpoints if Winston flips town. I also think you look scummier than Winston right now, and I think that you wolf/Winston town is more likely than you town/Winston wolf.
In any case, if you're both scum, why does it matter which one of you I decide to vote for? I need to lynch both of you, and he only had one vote on him and was getting lots more attention than you.
Bolded is super villagery btw.
Choxorn as the purest poster in the game right now, who'd have guessed?
Why are you reading atheotes town?
I thought his entrance was villagery. His reaction to my vote + posts after that entrance felt villagery to me. Free flowing, agendaless posts.
Explain what you mean by that.
Monty is slightly scummy to me based on his earlier disappearance and incorrect comment about the timing of the deadline, though I suppose that could be attributed to whatever ails him. I don't like his role fishing.
He also says Zack is lying about lynchproof, which is either a lie or based on what he's experienced. I know for a fact that lynchproof was an available spell (Tier 4 6 mana cost). Either he's lying (monty is a good liar) or he's telling the truth and didn't know that was a spell. If he's not lying then he is less likely to be scum as it stands to reason that Jabbz may not have given the full list of spells to everyone based on how many mana points they had. IE: Tier 4 spells cost 6 mana, if you have less than that, Jabbz may not have offered them. In this case, Monty has 5 or less mana, but if he were scum he likely would have seen all the spells via shared communication with scumbuddies (possibly)
Again Jabbz has stated we can't break the game through meta, but I do think my ideas are possible.
However, again Monty could be lying, and I don't know if he'd make that lie, unless it was a joke, of course.
I'm wary of atheotes these days. He's gotten past my day one radar in two recent scum games of his (I never evaluated past day one because the turdface killed me n1 both times). I agree his opening looks fine (better than at least one of those scum games; I don't remember the other), but I'm not confident.
Monty is slightly scummy to me based on his earlier disappearance and incorrect comment about the timing of the deadline, though I suppose that could be attributed to whatever ails him. I don't like his role fishing.
He also says Zack is lying about lynchproof, which is either a lie or based on what he's experienced. I know for a fact that lynchproof was an available spell (Tier 4 6 mana cost). Either he's lying (monty is a good liar) or he's telling the truth and didn't know that was a spell. If he's not lying then he is less likely to be scum as it stands to reason that Jabbz may not have given the full list of spells to everyone based on how many mana points they had. IE: Tier 4 spells cost 6 mana, if you have less than that, Jabbz may not have offered them. In this case, Monty has 5 or less mana, but if he were scum he likely would have seen all the spells via shared communication with scumbuddies (possibly)
Again Jabbz has stated we can't break the game through meta, but I do think my ideas are possible.
However, again Monty could be lying, and I don't know if he'd make that lie, unless it was a joke, of course.
Thanks.
Lewwyn v.
I'm leaning that way. Why?
Very thorough reasoning behind his initial comment on Monty, probably hard to fake if it doesn't really exist.
His comments previous to that showed a lot of thought too.
I don't know about Lewwyn. He looks pretty good rn. I'm getting tired of Zack not answering my question though.
Vote: Kcaz
I don't remember if I have to unvote.
What we can safely say is that we didn't all have the same potential spells. I didn't get a lynch spell offered to me and the level 4 spell I had available did not cost 6 mana.
I'm fairly sure we didn't all get the same spellbooks and some people probably got unique spells.
I ALSO think that its probably not wise to share what you have because that information is fairly useful for scum. (Also its kinda unfun).
Whilst we can still extract post numbers from the thread unlike now in CFC, there is a large minimum width to the window to reveal the actual post counts, which old CFC never had.
I also certainly wasn't planning to reveal my spells. ~;)
There's only six hours to go or so and Al still hasn't posted more than once, which is a much better reason to give him my vote than my early random-vote. Vote: Al Sipsclar.
(Apologies for the edit above - I was trying to respond to Visor's ninja-post, but too slowly it seems.)
Whilst we can still extract post numbers from the thread unlike now in CFC, there is a large minimum width to the window to reveal the actual post counts, which old CFC never had.
I also certainly wasn't planning to reveal my spells. ~;)
Don't edit your posts Arakhor, says in the OP.
There's only six hours to go or so and Al still hasn't posted more than once, which is a much better reason to give him my vote than my early random-vote. Vote: Al Sipsclar.
(Apologies for the edit above - I was trying to respond to Visor's ninja-post, but too slowly it seems.)
LOL.
Now I've been ninjaed.
If two ninjas stab each other in the woods, does anyone hear a sound? :creep:
Got any thoughts outside of Al, Arak?
I already posted most of my views so far in #239.
Other than those, Montmorency's role-fishing is clearly suspect and not just because it's anti-fun. I'm not sure what to make of the idea that at least one person had a lynch spell available - I can't decide whether that's more likely to be villagery or not.
Dislike your last sentence there Arakhor. Can't quite say why.
I don't know about Lewwyn. He looks pretty good rn. I'm getting tired of Zack not answering my question though.
Vote: Kcaz
I don't remember if I have to unvote.
Yep, answering questions is something i simply can't do as a wolf. I've been caught.
Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.
Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.
Arakhor, can you explain what you meant by not seeing the other throwaway comments, etc? What is this saying to you about Visor?
Yep, answering questions is something i simply can't do as a wolf. I've been caught.
Just answer the lady's question.
I think Arakhor may be the scum we're looking for today.
Summary: uses a lot of words that don't really mean anything, and would like to know how he goes from Al Sips too scummy for scum to voting him after all.
Could absolutely see this as bussing now that Al has 4 votes, so remain willing to vote for Al Sips.
Vote: Arakhor
Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.
Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.
Atheotes is typically a lurker of a lot of the time and Visor often does weird things, but that mutual town read on the slenderest of meetings does seem rather odd.
Isn't OMGUS wonderful? ~;p
I remember in Masque of Death Winston was fairly windy throughout the game, but was also innocent. A quiet Winston who's not also absent would be somewhat weird to me.
I'd consider voting for Al too, based on the strength of his single post, but Day One seems rather too early for a policy lynch. It just seems too scummy, as it were.
As for Visor/Atheotes, Visor frequently changes his mind and chats up the thread a lot, but often he's on to something at the same time.
There's only six hours to go or so and Al still hasn't posted more than once, which is a much better reason to give him my vote than my early random-vote. Vote: Al Sipsclar.
(Apologies for the edit above - I was trying to respond to Visor's ninja-post, but too slowly it seems.)
I like GH for seeing this aspect of Arakhor's play before I did.
I meant that I don't form the same impression of other people's guilt or innocence as quickly as everyone else seems to do. I'm more inclined to believe that Visor is town at the moment, given that his current behaviour matches other times I've known him to be town.
You quoted the very post where I said that a policy vote was better than a random vote and then say you don't know why I did that??
I like GH for seeing this aspect of Arakhor's play before I did.
If you don't know that I am known for sesquippedalian loquaciousness by now, regardless of my status, then we really have not played together in FAR too long. As I've already said before, my rambling is in part due to my indecisiveness.
Just answer the lady's question.
I don't even know what it is.
I meant that I don't form the same impression of other people's guilt or innocence as quickly as everyone else seems to do. I'm more inclined to believe that Visor is town at the moment, given that his current behaviour matches other times I've known him to be town.
What did you mean by you're not seeing the other random posts about guilt or innocence, etc.
You quoted the very post where I said that a policy vote was better than a random vote and then say you don't know why I did that??
And previously you'd said day one was two early for a policy vote, and Al Sips looked too scummy to be scummy to boot.
I don't even know what it is.
So look it up.
What did you mean by you're not seeing the other random posts about guilt or innocence, etc.
Just that. I always wonder whether all those posts about 'knowing' someone's innocence is just grandstanding, because I've never been able to discern that for myself.
And previously you'd said day one was two early for a policy vote, and Al Sips looked too scummy to be scummy to boot.
I wasn't wrong, but would you prefer I stayed with my random vote? Besides, people who only show up once a day to make a single post and then leave really irritate me, so I'd wouldn't miss anyone who did that in a game.
Afterthought - if scum-Arakhor's vote on Al is the fourth vote on him and he's going to get purified either way, wouldn't it be more obvious to bus him than not?
Well obviously I would prefer that you be a townie and vote for someone you think is scummy instead of someone who happens to irritate you, but then we can't always get what we want.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 16:35
I'm fairly sure we didn't all get the same spellbooks and some people probably got unique spells.
I ALSO think that its probably not wise to share what you have because that information is fairly useful for scum. (Also its kinda unfun).
I feel like this quote is isn't alignment-indicative for Visor specifically, but I've noticed a general trend recently of the person coming out and saying not to talk about mechanics/night actions/stuff along those lines being >rand scum.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 16:39
Other than those, Montmorency's role-fishing is clearly suspect and not just because it's anti-fun. I'm not sure what to make of the idea that at least one person had a lynch spell available - I can't decide whether that's more likely to be villagery or not.
Actually this could also fit in with my most recent post as well. Arakhor, can you walk me through precisely why you consider Monty's actions here suspect?
Unrelated, but both atheotes and Al Sipsclar not coming back is worrysome.
Worrisome*
That was one of my kid's spelling words yesterday.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 16:50
*sees that Renata is on the "interested" list for my next game*
*makes a note to make some special adjustments on her role PM*
Actually this could also fit in with my most recent post as well. Arakhor, can you walk me through precisely why you consider Monty's actions here suspect?
Unrelated, but both atheotes and Al Sipsclar not coming back is worrysome.
Do you think that their lurking is alignment indicative? They both always seem to be kind of low posters, so I don't see what you think is so out of the ordinary with this.
*sees that Renata is on the "interested" list for my next game*
*makes a note to make some special adjustments on her role PM*
Innocent child + Jester combo?
*sees that Renata is on the "interested" list for my next game*
*makes a note to make some special adjustments on her role PM*
Uh oh.
By the way, GH, my kid got it right.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 16:56
Do you think that their lurking is alignment indicative? They both always seem to be kind of low posters, so I don't see what you think is so out of the ordinary with this.
Not to this extent, particularly not with Al. His one and only post was now made over 36 hours ago, and while that post on its own is null, the fact that he hasn't come back yet (when there was an implicit promise of doing so) sets off alarms. atheotes I'm willing to give a little more leeway to, but his last post was also 24 hours ago, and I'm independently scumreading him for other reasons as well.
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Out of game:
Innocent child + Jester combo?
Heh, you're going to learn something about the way I host sooner rather than later.
By the way, GH, my kid got it right.
Can I get the nutso third party role with 1/1000 chance of winning, please? I like those.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:12
So there were two instances that I just read back on: The mafia chat for Synecdoche's Confections game a few months back (we were scum together), where Al posted more than usual D1, got in hot water for it, and said he had to be a "forever lurker". The second one was the unpublished DVC for Pizza's Representative Democracy game (which I will not link to per Pizza's request) where Al was town, got lynched, and said he regretted getting "wordier" and that next time he'd go "full johnhughthom".
So probably NAI then on further review. Al gets a slight boost, but I'd still like him to post more.
Wish Dp had not shown up for one post and then disappeared. All three of my voters parking there without a care it seems.
Apologies for my late arrival. Normal weekend issues compounded with having a kid that had a fever of 102+ for three days has made it hard to get engaged.
vote: Al Sips
Now that I got that out of the way… I don’t know that I can fault him for coming into the thread and placing his normal D1 vote on me. A bit worrisome that he hasn’t been back, but like I can complain about lack of attendance. If it becomes a pattern, then let’s lynch. Otherwise I don’t think he is worthy of a lynch today. unvote.
Posters I like so far
- Choxorn
- lewwyn
Posters I question
- The whole renata/Winston/Zack thing is weird to me. Might be nothing but there is smoke there I think. Problem is I don’t know where the smoke is coming from exactly.
- Zack is up to his usual shenanigans (being obtuse with answering questions, then feigning offence when people press him on it). Problem is he does this in both alignments.
- DP is not his usual transparent townie self, but that could just be because he is maturing as a player
Everyone else
- Pretty much null at this point on everyone else. Arakhor is the vote de jure at the moment is seems. I don’t see his activity being much out his of meta, though I have been burned by that in the past.
I guess for now I’ll go with vote: Dp101.
The thing that I specifically don't like about Al, post volume aside, is that particular phrasing of going back to read more, when there's nothing to read. I've seen it before. It would remain as a tell for me even if he had had other posts since then. I feel like most people who are commenting on him are ignoring that aspect and trying to reduce it to just "he had only one post and disappeared".
Apologies for my late arrival. Normal weekend issues compounded with having a kid that had a fever of 102+ for three days has made it hard to get engaged.
vote: Al Sips
Now that I got that out of the way… I don’t know that I can fault him for coming into the thread and placing his normal D1 vote on me. A bit worrisome that he hasn’t been back, but like I can complain about lack of attendance. If it becomes a pattern, then let’s lynch. Otherwise I don’t think he is worthy of a lynch today. unvote.
Posters I like so far
- Choxorn
- lewwyn
Posters I question
- The whole renata/Winston/Zack thing is weird to me. Might be nothing but there is smoke there I think. Problem is I don’t know where the smoke is coming from exactly.
- Zack is up to his usual shenanigans (being obtuse with answering questions, then feigning offence when people press him on it). Problem is he does this in both alignments.
- DP is not his usual transparent townie self, but that could just be because he is maturing as a player
Everyone else
- Pretty much null at this point on everyone else. Arakhor is the vote de jure at the moment is seems. I don’t see his activity being much out his of meta, though I have been burned by that in the past.
I guess for now I’ll go with vote: Dp101.
I like this post right up to the bolded phrase. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one voting Arakhor.
This gives me the impression you're not as caught up as you're trying to imply you are.
In other words, that on some level you are faking it.
Welcome to the game, though.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:19
I've been burned once for (successfully) pushing a DP lynch on D1 and him flipping town, so I'm hesitant to go down that path twice in such short of a time. I've got my eye on him but I'd rather lynch elsewhere today.
Does anyone have a vote count?
And deadline is in little under 7 hours I think? yes?
BTW also feeling fine with Visor.
I've been burned once for (successfully) pushing a DP lynch on D1 and him flipping town, so I'm hesitant to go down that path twice in such short of a time. I've got my eye on him but I'd rather lynch elsewhere today.
Such as?
EoD is at 3pm Eastern, in a bit over 3.5 hours.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:25
Renata, does BSmith changing his mind on something midstream remind you of anything?
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Such as?
atheotes, Arakhor, Visor, maybe Al Sips.
Re: Bsmith -- no. If it's supposed to, you'll have to remind me. I didn't really sleep last night.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:29
Re: Bsmith -- no. If it's supposed to, you'll have to remind me. I didn't really sleep last night.
This actually surprises me, because it was one of your biggest lines of attack on Beck in the offsite game a couple weeks ago.
I have my own thoughts on BSmith's post but I'm eager to see where you go with this piece of information first.
I like this post right up to the bolded phrase. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one voting Arakhor.
This gives me the impression you're not as caught up as you're trying to imply you are.
I've read through the thread once quickly, in separate sittings... so yeah, I am probably not as caught up as I should be. Got the feeling that there was more attention on Arakhor. An updated vote tally would help things. :yes:
I literally don't remember going after him for that reason right now. Unless you mean his change of opinion on Spider? That wasn't mid-post, though. Otherwise I went after him for taunting, for lolslip every half dozen of my posts, for talking to himself mid-analysis, and some other stuff.
Oh ok, now I remember. Marko, in that big post. Yeah, ok, let me go read again.
Renata, does BSmith changing his mind on something midstream remind you of anything?
Where did I change my mind? On the Al sips thing? I didn’t change my mind. I just kept to my standard D1 first vote on Al, but I don’t know that I actually want to lynch him today. :bow:
Ok, I'm not getting that same sort of twinge as with Beck, I think because it's not really a change of opinion in this case. Unless I'm mistaken, BSmith and Al Sips always vote each other off the bat. So the rest is just explaining why the vote's not staying there. A little unnecessary, maybe.
The post as a whole doesn't improve on second glance, though. I don't think there's a single solid opinion on anybody in it.
EoD is at 3pm Eastern, in a bit over 3.5 hours.
K, That's 4AM for me here in China.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:39
Okay, didn't realize about the BSmith/Al Sips traditional votes thing. Objection withdrawn, and I can buy what BSmith's selling about Arakhor because I had the same impression of where Arakhor stood in the vote tally before I reread.
Also, because apparently it's the trendy thing to do today:
Arakhor is the vote de jure at the moment is seems
*du jour :wink:
I've read through the thread once quickly, in separate sittings... so yeah, I am probably not as caught up as I should be. Got the feeling that there was more attention on Arakhor. An updated vote tally would help things. :yes:
It would. I'm way too sleepy to make one though. I'd just screw it up. You volunteering?
atheotes, Arakhor, Visor, maybe Al Sips.
Who's your #1?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:40
Who's your #1?
atheotes and Arakhor at the moment, not sure between the two of them. They're on a higher tier than Visor and Al Sips. What about you?
Unless I'm mistaken, BSmith and Al Sips always vote each other off the bat. :yes:
The post as a whole doesn't improve on second glance, though. I don't think there's a single solid opinion on anybody in it.
That’s because there isn’t a single solid opinion on anybody in it. I don’t tend to form solid opinions early in the game, especially on D1. Tomorrow once there is vote history and night action results will be a different story. :bow:
atheotes and Arakhor at the moment, not sure between the two of them. They're on a higher tier than Visor and Al Sips. What about you?
I'm thinking I'll leave my vote on DP.
I don't have a read on atheotes or Arakhor yet (no familiarity). I'm sure once Day 1 is over I will though.
*du jour :wink:
I was hoping spell check would assist me there. Didn’t really have the time to double check before posting…. :shame:
It would. I'm way too sleepy to make one though. I'd just screw it up. You volunteering?
Alas, no. I’m supposed to be working right now…
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 17:46
People I don't want to lynch for a while
Zack
Renata
Csargo
Choxorn
Lewwyn
People I don't want to lynch *today*
BSmith
DP101
Al Sips (conditional on him coming back and looking decent)
People I want to lynch in
atheotes
Al Sips (conditional on the above not happening)
Visor
Arakhor
Out for a while, should be back before end of day.
I'm thinking I'll leave my vote on DP.
I don't have a read on atheotes or Arakhor yet (no familiarity). I'm sure once Day 1 is over I will though.
Did you read their posts?
Wish Dp had not shown up for one post and then disappeared. All three of my voters parking there without a care it seems.
I might switch. Feels like GH hasn't done much, and would be a decent option. Dislike your current case, mostly because I can't see anything alignment indicative in anything you quoted. Do you know if Visor is more serious or more jokey as mafia? It might help me figure out if the thanking posts without posting thing he did earlier was towny or not.
I have these two triumvirates going on in my mind right now. First is people voting me (Monty, Snerk, Dp). All three far too static in their reads right now.
Second is Zack, Winston, Dp. All bother me in one way or another over the aftermath of Zack's vote on Winston earlier today.
Dp is the overlap. Would vote there. Probably prefer Arakhor or Al Sips.
Actually this could also fit in with my most recent post as well. Arakhor, can you walk me through precisely why you consider Monty's actions here suspect?
Well, apart from the fact that trying to prompt a full role-reveal on Day One (you know, before anything has happened) is just disrespectful to the designer's work, it was the inept way he went about it. Vigilantes shouldn't reveal, thereby suggesting that those who don't reveal have vig powers, but doctors, role-blockers and other town power roles should reveal, because of course the scum will be nice enough not to take advantage of that.
In summary: it's un-fun, inept and counter-productive either way, but it's not necessarily scummy, no.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 17:55
Choxorn as the purest poster in the game right now, who'd have guessed?
The last time (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3198-Org-CFC-and-MTGS-inter-forum-invitational-exhibition-game) I recall this being said, chox was scum.
I might switch. Feels like GH hasn't done much, and would be a decent option. Dislike your current case, mostly because I can't see anything alignment indicative in anything you quoted. Do you know if Visor is more serious or more jokey as mafia? It might help me figure out if the thanking posts without posting thing he did earlier was towny or not.
I don't know anything about Visor's meta as a wolf; I've never seen it. I've heard he's good.
Do you really see nothing alignment indicative on Arakhor? It seems like he's almost aggressively trying to say nothing he can be pinned down on. He characterizes it as being undecided, but I've seen undecided plenty, and it doesn't ping me lik that.
It's nice how I'm suddenly the bad guy for voting for Al in lieu of anything better to do, but Renata, who voted for me because I did that, still wants Al dead purified.
The last time (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3198-Org-CFC-and-MTGS-inter-forum-invitational-exhibition-game) I recall this being said, chox was scum.
My scum list is already about half the game deep, this is just what I need.
I don't know anything about Visor's meta as a wolf; I've never seen it. I've heard he's good.
Do you really see nothing alignment indicative on Arakhor? It seems like he's almost aggressively trying to say nothing he can be pinned down on. He characterizes it as being undecided, but I've seen undecided plenty, and it doesn't ping me lik that.
I went back and reread your post, and yeah, that looks a lot worse than I thought the first time I read it. The later posts feel like they have more content in them, but it overall feels like scum trying to construct things to talk about, rather than making authentic cases. Arakhor
I don't woffle for fear of being pinned down, but because I woffle naturally. My D1 play is always unfocused.
TFW all your scum reads are voting each other.
TFW all your scum reads are voting each other.
It's great, isn't it? Maybe you could even be wrong on some of them?
Like you are on me, DP? :shrug:
Like you are on me, DP? :shrug:
A possibility. I just don't have anything stronger. Who should I be on, if not you?
It's great, isn't it? Maybe you could even be wrong on some of them?
You dont' get how these things work, Dp. I'm right until I'm proven wrong beyond all doubt. Then I'm right again about the next thing.
You dont' get how these things work, Dp. I'm right until I'm proven wrong beyond all doubt. Then I'm right again about the next thing.
Adopting the Pizza method of playing scum, I see.
<3 I don't think you even believe that.
<3 I don't think you even believe that.
I don't, no.
This is the rough tally as of now, I think:
Al Sipsclar - 3 (Winston Hughes, Visor, Arakhor)
Arakhor - 3 (Csargo, Renata, DP101)
DP101 - 3 (Choxorn, Lewwyn, Bsmith)
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Winston Hughes - 1 (Kcaz)
Montmorency - 1 ((Atheotes))
Atheotes - 1 (GHC)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
A possibility. I just don't have anything stronger. Who should I be on, if not you?
I'd recommend Al to avoid a three-way tie, but it could easily be seen as suspicious that Renata is voting for me for allegedly bussing Al, whilst also moving off Al to vote for me and thus tie the Al/Arakhor stakes.
Of course it's probably our three slanker champs, Monty, Visor and Zack, you realize.
But no, not fond of you (Arakhor) trying to make out my actions as illogical. Been there way too much recently and half the time it's scum on the business end of the wringer.
- Zack is up to his usual shenanigans (being obtuse with answering questions, then feigning offence when people press him on it). Problem is he does this in both alignments.
Have to avoid the n1 kill somehow. :shrug:
I think the cases on Arakhor and Al Sips are bad. I don't have a strong read either way, but the things they are being accused of are not alignment indicative in my opinion, and if they flip wolf I'm going to shrug and call it dumb luck, rather than good hunting. Arakhor in particular I have mislynched for being awkward d1 (when I was a wolf).
But no, not fond of you (Arakhor) trying to make out my actions as illogical. Been there way too much recently and half the time it's scum on the business end of the wringer.
I'm not fond of being instantly suspected of being scum for my normal behaviour either. I'm only calling out what's happened.
re: visor as a wolf
His effort and seriousness levels will depend a lot on his teammates and the game state. He tends towards doing less and joking/trolling more than he would as town, but he's certainly capable of being serious and doing a lot as a wolf too. I don't think I ever bother trying to read him d1 in any case.
Arakhor in particular I have mislynched for being awkward d1 (when I was a wolf).
I remember that, yes. That particular D1 also included such highlights as receiving a vote for 'obviously' lying about the existence of ten-sided dice. :rolleyes:
You going to keep pushing Winston, Zack? I'd still lynch there, too, and I'd feel a lot better about you if you're right.
You going to keep pushing Winston, Zack? I'd still lynch there, too, and I'd feel a lot better about you if you're right.
Yes. If I have to break the current 3-way tie I'd vote Dp101 without hesitation.
This is the rough tally as of now, I think:
Al Sipsclar - 3 (Winston Hughes, Visor, Arakhor)
Arakhor - 3 (Csargo, Renata, DP101)
DP101 - 3 (Choxorn, Lewwyn, Bsmith)
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Winston Hughes - 1 (Kcaz)
Montmorency - 1 ((Atheotes))
Atheotes - 1 (GHC)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
I'd recommend Al to avoid a three-way tie, but it could easily be seen as suspicious that Renata is voting for me for allegedly bussing Al, whilst also moving off Al to vote for me and thus tie the Al/Arakhor stakes.
Is there a reason the atheotes vote has double parentheses?
The last time (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3198-Org-CFC-and-MTGS-inter-forum-invitational-exhibition-game) I recall this being said, chox was scum.
I also think Winston popping in to say only this is not a good look.
In that game, choxorn got plenty of flak for his behavior, and at best his posting was defended as being not bad, not "pure". He was only "cleared" after a pretty dedicated bussing of his teammate. I think bringing it up like this is a fairly disingenuous way of discrediting a townread of choxorn in this game, and I say that without really having an opinion on chox here either way.
Yes. If I have to break the current 3-way tie I'd vote Dp101 without hesitation.
That actually answers the question I was about to ask you.
Vote: Winston
Let's see. :shrug:
Is there a reason the atheotes vote has double parentheses?
That's how it is in #179, so I left it like that.
Currently:
Al Sipsclar - 3 (Winston Hughes, Visor, Arakhor)
DP101 - 3 (Choxorn, Lewwyn, Bsmith)
Arakhor - 2 (Csargo, , DP101)
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Winston Hughes - 2 (Kcaz, Renata)
Montmorency - 1 ((Atheotes))
Atheotes - 1 (GHC)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Lynch is in just over 2 hours, right?
Yes.
Well, an afk lynch is better than a me lynch. Al Sips
Currently:
Al Sipsclar - 4 (Winston Hughes, Visor, Arakhor, Dp101)
DP101 - 3 (Choxorn, Lewwyn, Bsmith)
Winston Hughes - 2 (Kcaz, Renata)
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Montmorency - 1 ((Atheotes))
Atheotes - 1 (GHC)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Know intellectually Dp's vote is NAI, but still hate it.
Yep, answering questions is something i simply can't do as a wolf. I've been caught.
You snark. You quip. You don't respond. I don't really understand why you're avoiding answering this question at all, and that's why I'm voting you.
vote: Arakhor
Doubt we're getting a third vote on Winston at this point much less a fourth.
Al Sipsclar - 4 (Winston Hughes, Visor, Arakhor, Dp101)
DP101 - 3 (Choxorn, Lewwyn, Bsmith)
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Arakhor - 2 (Csargo, Renata)
Winston Hughes - 1 (Kcaz)
Montmorency - 1 ((Atheotes))
Atheotes - 1 (GHC)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Literally have > half the game as potential scum right now.
Notice:
I had an appointment that was scheduled for 10-11 pushed back to 11-12. As a result resolution will be a bit behind, at most 1h depending on traffic.
Conversation should still stop at 12, and I'll try to post something to that effect, but if someone else could call an EOD @ 12:00 that would be appreciated.
Sorry for the inconvenience, Doctors suck.
What does NAI mean?
Not alignment indicative.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 19:31
I also think Winston popping in to say only this is not a good look.
I got home from work, started reading, responded to that post, my family got home, I made them dinner, and now I'm back.
In that game, choxorn got plenty of flak for his behavior, and at best his posting was defended as being not bad, not "pure". He was only "cleared" after a pretty dedicated bussing of his teammate. I think bringing it up like this is a fairly disingenuous way of discrediting a townread of choxorn in this game, and I say that without really having an opinion on chox here either way.
I died N1, and I only half followed it afterwards, but what I recall is him looking very townie D1, and several people (me included) saying so.
Why are you painting everything I say and do in the worst possible light?
It's like you're not even considering whether or not I'm scum, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to keep your vote on me.
Current official Tally.
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (4)
Dp101- Al SIpsclar
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Bsmith- Dp101 (3)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Csargo- Arakhor (2)
Renata- Arakhor
Montmorency- Renata (2)
Snerk- Renata
GeneralHankerchief- Atheotes (1)
Al Sipsclar- BSmith (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
Atheotes- Monmorency (1)
Kcaz- Winston Huges (1)
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 19:39
Arakhor hasn't seemed scummy to me. Wouldn't lynch.
Dp101 is different to previous games. His read on me is absolutely on the money, and he does have more experience with my recent play than anyone else, but I have an instinctive dislike for that kind of snuggle. Could lynch.
Al could just be absent, but he could just as well be frozen. Could lynch.
I'm not entirely convinced by Renata's changing-it-up-for-the-sake-of-my-scum-game narrative, but I'm going to give her the benefit for now. Wouldn't lynch.
Not alignment indicative.
Thank you. I'm not a big fan of tactical voting either, but people who want to survive will generally do whatever they can.
It's not so much the fact that he voted for Al as the way he did it, and it being so long before end of day. And I'm being a total hypocrite I realize, because in my last town game I got dinged EoD2 for a similar self-preservation vote 15 min before the end (an eternity in MU terms apparently, though not for me when I'm so amped up I can't type straight). And I have more sympathy now for all the townies who saw my "No choice. Vote Lissa" post and thought 'you what now'?
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 19:46
Would lynch from the one-vote pile:
Monty - no.
Snerk - maybe.
GH - no.
Sooh - no.
atheotes - maybe.
Kcaz - probably.
It's not so much the fact that he voted for Al as the way he did it, and it being so long before end of day. And I'm being a total hypocrite I realize, because in my last town game I got dinged EoD2 for a similar self-preservation vote 15 min before the end (an eternity in MU terms apparently, though not for me when I'm so amped up I can't type straight). And I have more sympathy now for all the townies who saw my "No choice. Vote Lissa" post and thought 'you what now'?
I was heading out, and didn't know if I would be back before deadline.
Kcaz - probably.
You and Zack often seem to have that effect on each other, no matter how short a time has elapsed.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 19:53
And from the no vote pile:
Bsmith - maybe.
Choxorn - no.
Visor - no.
Csargo - maybe.
Lewwyn - no.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 19:57
You and Zack often seem to have that effect on each other, no matter how short a time has elapsed.
Last time, it was all me going after him, and he was scum.
This time, it's all been him going after me, and I'm town.
Make of that what you will. ~;)
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:04
Winston, you've got a lot of maybes and no yesses on those lists.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:05
Winston, you've got a lot of maybes and no yesses on those lists.
If I had a yes, then I'd be voting for them and campaigning for others to do likewise.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:09
If I had a yes, then I'd be voting for them and campaigning for others to do likewise.
Even your top scumread, Al, is listed as a "could lynch" though. Is there a difference between that and "maybe"?
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:17
Have post brewing, but need to catch two pages.
For now:
Vote: Arakhor because it's too late to think and I want to make a point about please prepend "Vote:" to your votes you savages.
Actually, Unvote; Vote: DP101 because it's time I tasted his blood.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:21
Even your top scumread, Al, is listed as a "could lynch" though. Is there a difference between that and "maybe"?
Al and Dp being realistic options is the main difference, but they're both on the more lynchable end of the maybe spectrum.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:22
I came into this game with the deliberate decision before I ever saw my role PM to stomp all over my town personality in one specific way I noticed I had problems with in my scum game on MU last week. And then I see myself getting rousing town reads from two of the more influential players in the game anyway, and it's not likely both of them are scum trying to pocket me. So go figure.
As for stray votes day one, I get them every single game. I've literally never not. Yet everyone seems to believe I obvtown myself within ten seconds whenever I am town, and hold it against me when I don't. See Dp this game, if he's not scum looking for a pockety way to jump on the biggest bandwagon. I need that to stop.
What is this one neat trick that doctor's don't want me to know?
Good question; what is your actual read of Snerk?
Good guy. Top guy.
This is rolefishing and you should feel bad.
Better earlier than never.
So the person who doesn't list their powers is a vig?
No, people list their roles except for, if they have it, vig. Then everyone can be a vig.
Difficulty in posting as fluently and freely as I do when I am town. I shortened my posts at the beginning of this game and stopped saying as much of what was on my mind as I usually do.
So what, you're trying to close the difference between scum and town styles? That's why you're so weird this time?
Unvote: Renata
Slightly scummy on post basis, but slightly towny on meta basis.
You remember my meta? It's been years.
I know for a fact that lynchproof was an available spell (Tier 4 6 mana cost). Either he's lying (monty is a good liar)
AHA! So my rolefishing is bearing fruit. In my spell list, there was only one Tier 4 spell: Incinerate. I'm comfortable concluding that the selections offered to different players were randomized a bit. Otherwise there are certain clearly-superior powers that we would see 5 or 10 people taking. I won't confirm or deny taking Incinerate (though there were numerous other good spells on the table).
...Good liar?
Yep, answering questions is something i simply can't do as a wolf. I've been caught.
But isn't that how you rolled in Democracy?
If you don't know that I am known for sesquippedalian loquaciousness by now, regardless of my status, then we really have not played together in FAR too long. As I've already said before, my rambling is in part due to my indecisiveness.
DP101 already fills that slot.
Afterthought - if scum-Arakhor's vote on Al is the fourth vote on him and he's going to get purified either way, wouldn't it be more obvious to bus him than not?
Actually, it would be null on its face.
I might switch. Feels like GH hasn't done much, and would be a decent option. Dislike your current case, mostly because I can't see anything alignment indicative in anything you quoted. Do you know if Visor is more serious or more jokey as mafia? It might help me figure out if the thanking posts without posting thing he did earlier was towny or not.
He thanked plenty of posts in Democracy. Of course, he was more aggressive in Democracy.
Well, apart from the fact that trying to prompt a full role-reveal on Day One (you know, before anything has happened) is just disrespectful to the designer's work, it was the inept way he went about it. Vigilantes shouldn't reveal, thereby suggesting that those who don't reveal have vig powers, but doctors, role-blockers and other town power roles should reveal, because of course the scum will be nice enough not to take advantage of that.
In summary: it's un-fun, inept and counter-productive either way, but it's not necessarily scummy, no.
I disagree.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:25
Any overall conclusions on the state of things after that Barto-esque post, Monty?
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:30
Any overall conclusions on the state of things after that Barto-esque post, Monty?
Barto-esque, for sure.
But is it Bartesque (https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Dictionary:Bartesque)?
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:32
Any overall conclusions on the state of things after that Barto-esque post, Monty?
Let's talk in the night.
For now, perhaps people could respond to more elements of these big posts I've left, here and on Page 9.
If only I knew what Barto-esque implied.
DP101 already fills that slot.
This is my first game here. I wasn't aware that being rambly and seemingly scummy was copyrightable.
In summary: it's un-fun, inept and counter-productive either way, but it's not necessarily scummy, no.
I disagree.
Which bit are you disagreeing with? Un-fun, inept, counter-productive or not necessarily scummy?
Vote: Arakhor because it's too late to think and I want to make a point about please prepend "Vote:" to your votes you savages.
Actually, Unvote; Vote: DP101 because it's time I tasted his blood.
So... late-day "random" vote, followed by a vote (in the same post!) to throw DP101 into a tie once again?
This is then followed by a vote for Renata, which isn't valid because it's not in red and thus makes your 'complaint' about proper voting most ironic.
You snark. You quip. You don't respond. I don't really understand why you're avoiding answering this question at all, and that's why I'm voting you.
What question? lol
I got home from work, started reading, responded to that post, my family got home, I made them dinner, and now I'm back.
I died N1, and I only half followed it afterwards, but what I recall is him looking very townie D1, and several people (me included) saying so.
Why are you painting everything I say and do in the worst possible light?
It's like you're not even considering whether or not I'm scum, you're just looking for any excuse you can find to keep your vote on me.
It's like I think you're wolfy.
For now, perhaps people could respond to more elements of these big posts I've left, here and on Page 9.
I'd like to point out that page-lengths are variable, but a post number is not.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:35
I'd like to point out that page-lengths are variable, but a post number is not.
You're next. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737170&viewfull=1#post2053737170)
Which bit are you disagreeing with? Un-fun, inept, counter-productive or not necessarily scummy?
Why not everything?
So... late-day "random" vote, followed by a vote (in the same post!) to throw DP101 into a tie once again?
This is then followed by a vote for Renata, which isn't valid because it's not in red and thus makes your 'complaint' about proper voting most ironic.
I didn't vote for Renata atp. What are you talking about? And you weren't a random vote.
Have post brewing, but need to catch two pages.
For now:
Vote: Arakhor because it's too late to think and I want to make a point about please prepend "Vote:" to your votes you savages.
Actually, Unvote; Vote: DP101 because it's time I tasted his blood.
Seriously? At least give some reasons when it's half an hour from lynch.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:37
I see, you're referring to an orphaned unvote for Renata in the middle of the wall-post. Whatever.
Voting someone for not answering some random question you stubbornly refuse to repeat :thumbsdown:
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:38
Seriously? At least give some reasons when it's half an hour from lynch.
I want to give lynching you a chance. I might as well, since I don't have any strong opinion on your towniness this time around.
Call it a YOLO or a soul or what-have-you.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:39
Voting someone for not answering some random question you stubbornly refuse to repeat :thumbsdown:
A CFD on Sooh wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I'd prefer to lynch elsewhere.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:39
A CFD on Sooh wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I'd prefer to lynch elsewhere.
So you're going to kill Sooh tonight?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:40
So you're going to kill Sooh tonight?
Most likely not. What about you?
Why not everything?
I'd expect you to disagree. You did it after all.
I didn't vote for Renata atp. What are you talking about?
Actually, Unvote; Vote: DP101 because it's time I tasted his blood.
Unvote: Renata
Given that your last vote was for DP101, what's that bit then?
And you weren't a random vote.
Vote: Arakhor because it's too late to think and I want to make a point about please prepend "Vote:" to your votes you savages.
Then it was lazy and partially nonsensical. Either way...
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:42
Can we get more votes on atheotes? Arakhor looking a bit better for me as of late, and he might give good spew tomorrow anyway.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:42
Given that your last vote was for DP101, what's that bit then?
I already pointed it out. The long post was obviously under construction for a while - which is why I jumped ahead with a vote post first.
Most likely not. What about you?
I told you, neither confirm nor deny.
Al Sipsclar
02-06-2017, 20:43
Well, that's been a lot to read up, so I'm giving up. Yeah, I was referring to the spellbook and rules that I didn't have a chance to read closely before the game started. Then RL swallowed me.
I don't think I was ever lynched D1 before. Seeing that I'm more the liability than the asset to the town, I don't mind.
Pizza said recently, that the best D1 strategy is to have multiple length 2 wagons, it would put more pressure on scum. I think I'll try this, vote: Montmorency.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:44
Zack posts.
Al posts.
I'm like... :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:44
Montmorency
Well, that's been a lot to read up, so I'm giving up. Yeah, I was referring to the spellbook and rules that I didn't have a chance to read closely before the game started. Then RL swallowed me.
I don't think I was ever lynched D1 before. Seeing that I'm more the liability than the asset to the town, I don't mind.
Pizza said recently, that the best D1 strategy is to have multiple length 2 wagons, it would put more pressure on scum. I think I'll try this, vote: Montmorency.
*tinfoil intensifies*
Al Sipsclar
02-06-2017, 20:44
Oops, that was a x-post with Zack. Who else got only a single vote that I could make 2?
It's a bit past that point, Al, but glad to see you here. Anyone got a vote count?
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:45
evils afoot
Well, if it isn't going to get me killed, getting Monty for his horrible vote will be productive. Montmorency
*tinfoil intensifies*
But tinfoil on who?
Don't laugh if it's obvious, I'm really tired.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:45
What is this? ~:confused:
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:46
MAFIA CFD
What is this? ~:confused:
A cfd, haven't you seen one before?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:47
Vote: Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:47
But tinfoil on who?
Don't laugh if it's obvious, I'm really tired.
Zack/Al Sipsclar, but considering I just did the same thing with Zack a second ago, who the heck knows.
vote: Al Sipsclar
I do not know what the vote count is.
Well fine then, Al sips if I am going to die otherwise.
Zack/Al Sipsclar, but considering I just did the same thing with Zack a second ago, who the heck knows.
Then why'd you vote for Dp?
Why the hell are people voting for Al. Low postcount is not wolfy in and of itself.
Al Sipsclar
02-06-2017, 20:49
Winston is obviously my scum partner, always comes to the rescue of his easily lynchable teammate, and backs out and distances himself when confronted, so typically Winston. But he already has few votes.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:49
This is going to make for fantastic reading in a couple days.
https://i.imgur.com/j4seZjQ.gif
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:50
DP, don't you have anything to say for yourself?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:51
Then why'd you vote for Dp?
Didn't like the CFD on Monty, and Dp gives us more spew than Al Sips.
Why the hell are people voting for Al. Low postcount is not wolfy in and of itself.
Do you think scum Dp leaves the safe wagon to go vote for Monty?
Then why'd you vote for Dp?
Why haven't you?
As of #443:
Bsmith- Dp101 (4)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Montmorency- Dp101
Atheotes- Monmorency (4)
Kcaz - Montmorency
Al Sipsclar - Montmorency
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (3)
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Csargo- Arakhor (2)
Renata- Arakhor
Snerk- Renata (1)
GeneralHankerchief- Atheotes (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:51
Why the hell are people voting for Al. Low postcount is not wolfy in and of itself.
He does look an awful lot like your scumbuddy right now, so that's certainly a consideration for me at least.
Would love to know the post count.
Do you think scum Dp leaves the safe wagon to go vote for Monty?
He went right back to al, is this a serious question? lol
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:51
As of #443:
Bsmith- Dp101 (4)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Montmorency- Dp101
Atheotes- Monmorency (4)
Kcaz - Montmorency
Al Sipsclar - Montmorency
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (3)
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Csargo- Arakhor (2)
Renata- Arakhor
Snerk- Renata (1)
GeneralHankerchief- Atheotes (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
Yeah that's gonna need an update or two. :laugh4:
As of #443:
Bsmith- Dp101 (4)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Montmorency- Dp101
Atheotes- Monmorency (4)
Kcaz - Montmorency
Al Sipsclar - Montmorency
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (3)
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Csargo- Arakhor (2)
Renata- Arakhor
Snerk- Renata (1)
GeneralHankerchief- Atheotes (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
This is not up to date.
He does look an awful lot like your scumbuddy right now, so that's certainly a consideration for me at least.
Looking forward to you vaguely throwing suspicion my way all game for ???.
DP, don't you have anything to say for yourself?
What do you want from me? I voted in self-pres, saw someone act wolfy and voted there, then went back to self-pres.
He went right back to al, is this a serious question? lol
Yes.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:52
DP has 6 votes then: BSmith, Choxorn, Lewwyn, Monty, Zack, GH
Yes.
So Al not even caring about self-pres doesn't affect your read in any way? You'd rather talk about DP changing his vote for 30 seconds somehow clearing him?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:54
DP has 6 votes then: BSmith, Choxorn, Lewwyn, Monty, Zack, GH
Dp wagon looking pretty pure from my POV.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:55
What do you want from me? I voted in self-pres, saw someone act wolfy and voted there, then went back to self-pres.
I mean other things.
Guys, two notes:
1. Use "Vote:"
2. WTF is post count, if you mean vote-count/tally just say that.
Current status, I think:
Bsmith- Dp101 (6)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Montmorency- Dp101
Kcaz - Dp101
GeneralHankerchief - Dp101
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (5)
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Renata - Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Dp101 - Al Sipsclar
Atheotes- Montmorency (2)
Al Sipsclar - Montmorency
Csargo- Arakhor (1)
Snerk- Renata (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
I mean other things.
Guys, two notes:
1. Use "Vote:"
2. WTF is post count, if you mean vote-count/tally just say that.
It's literally the count of how many posts someone has. Wut.
So Al not even caring about self-pres doesn't affect your read in any way? You'd rather talk about DP changing his vote for 30 seconds somehow clearing him?
Apparently. :/ It's possible I'm being stupid here.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:56
Current status, I think:
Bsmith- Dp101 (6)
Choxorn- Dp101
Lewwyn- Dp101
Montmorency- Dp101
Kcaz - Dp101
GeneralHankerchief - Dp101
Arakhor- Al Sipsclar (5)
Visor- Al Sipsclar
Renata - Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes- Al Sipsclar
Dp101 - Al Sipsclar
Atheotes- Montmorency (2)
Al Sipsclar - Montmorency
Csargo- Arakhor (1)
Snerk- Renata (1)
Sooh- Kcaz (1)
Hmm, I like both of these lead wagons, though my vote's staying on Dp barring weird stuff happening in the last couple minutes.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:56
It's literally the count of how many posts someone has. Wut.
No one has actually wanted that all game, and can be ISOd through forum structure anyway. People have wanted tallies, not post counts.
1. Use "Vote:"
2. WTF is post count, if you mean vote-count/tally just say that.
1. We're not actually required to do so.
2. Post count is, unsurprisingly, the number of posts someone has made.
3 minutes left.
Al Sipsclar
02-06-2017, 20:57
I think Arakhor wants to get back at me after our last game together, where I was scum, and the first D1 opening post, which was Arakhor's, was "Al has fooled me before but not anymore", he suspected me whole game, but eventually lost.
Al seems like an easy mislynch. I repeat my thoughts from earlier, he hasn't done anything actually wolfy and if he does flip wolf it's just dumb luck.
I hate day 1, and everything about it.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:58
I think Arakhor wants to get back at me after our last game together, where I was scum, and the first D1 opening post, which was Arakhor's, was "Al has fooled me before but not anymore", he suspected me whole game, but eventually lost.
Implying Arakhor's scum?
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 20:58
1. We're not actually required to do so.
2. Post count is, unsurprisingly, the number of posts someone has made.
3 minutes left.
We do it not for the requirement, but because it's what civilized people do.
Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 20:58
Hmm, I like both of these lead wagons, though my vote's staying on Dp barring weird stuff happening in the last couple minutes.
Zack and Al independently voting Monty at the same time isn't weird enough for you?
I'd forgotten about that, Al. Which game was that?
I think Arakhor wants to get back at me after our last game together, where I was scum, and the first D1 opening post, which was Arakhor's, was "Al has fooled me before but not anymore", he suspected me whole game, but eventually lost.
That's such a weird thing to focus on right now. How are you reading Arakhor This game for it?
Zack and Al independently voting Monty at the same time isn't weird enough for you?
Why would it be?
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 20:59
Zack and Al independently voting Monty at the same time isn't weird enough for you?
Evidently not, considering the Monty votes out of nowhere were what spurred me to move onto Dp.
Besides which, literally any reason I cite for my first vote on D1 can be safely disregarded.
Like, are you suggesting Al and I coordinated that in wolfchat? What would be the point? I don't get why that would even bother you or why you would care.
GeneralHankerchief
02-06-2017, 21:00
Vote: Al Sipsclar
CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS
Day one ends. No more posts until resolution. Still have to get home, not doing from my phone. Expect 30m to 1h.
Montmorency
02-06-2017, 21:00
:00 BAD
Do not post after the end of the day or night cycle until the GM has posted. You must check PM’s before posting at the start of each day to verify that you are still alive.
Posting at night is acceptable in the main thread.
no posts
Unsurprisingly, throughout the day many people were brought up as suspect. Discussions about who might have been Corrupted, who they might be working with, and who was safe to trust dominated the day. There was even a brief attempt by one mage to use this chaos as an excuse to get information about other mages spells, but that fell flat on its face, even bringing some distrust to the mage. Towards the end of the day two mages started to take center stage on the debate. Dp101 was felt to simply not have the best interests of the Council in mind. Al Sipsclar we deemed suspicious by what he contributed to the arguments, as well as how minimal those contributions were. Still, the Ritual of Purification could only be undertaken with the setting of the sun, so as the orb lowered on the horizon, the decision was ultimately made in a near split decision.
Dp101 was chosen to undergo the ritual.
As soon as he was, all of the mages reach out with binding magics. Their alacrity was well chosen, as only a heartbeat later Dp101 realized he was facing death, and attempted to resist his fellow mages. Held by the power of his magical bonds, The remainder of the council began the ritual Trials of Purity. Well before the ritual reaches its culmination however, his body began to decay before their eyes, and after mere moments was left as nothing more than a desiccated husk. As his corpse slumped to the ground, green lightnings flashed from his body, splaying across everyone in attendance, doing no apparent harm.
Dp101 has been lynched. He was a
Corrupted Mage
Night one Begins, you may resume posting.
End of Day Vote Count
Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)
Voting History
Al Sipsclar -BSmith, Montmorency
Arakhor -Csargo, Al Sipsclar
Atheotes -Visor, Monmorency
Bsmith -Al Sipsclar, Dp101
Choxorn -Kcaz, Dp101
Csargo -Arakhor
Dp101 -Lewwyn, Renata, Arakhor, Al Sipsclar, Al Sipsclar,
GeneralHankerchief -Sooh, Montmorency, Atheotes, Dp101, Al Sipsclar
Kcaz -Lewwyn, Atheotes, Winston Huges, Montmorency, Dp101
Lewwyn -Sooh, Dp101
Montmorency -Renata, Arakhor, Dp101
Renata -Montmorency, Snerk, Winston Hughes, Al Sipsclar, Winston Hughes, Arakhor, Al Sipsclar,
Dp101
Snerk Renata, Choxorn, Renata
Sooh -Lewwyn, Kcaz
Visor -Atheotes, Al Sipsclar
Winston Hughes -Al Sipsclar
And I was so excited for this game too… GG.
So can we now night-post?
This should be a fun lynch to sort through.
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